pvp

[crude mortar]

I finish only one black torp from farming

what is this shitty droprate

my essex and saratoga hit 120 from farming black torp

from 110

only1 black torp

I cant use triple black torp meme

[lusty phoenix]

if they take out the Hp buff in Pvp will Warkai the most Op in pvp?

[shy hazel]

what do u mean

[lusty phoenix]

The HP increase buff

[shy hazel]

warkai is alrdy the opiest backline in her task

amagi has a different purpose

[shell heron]

you want her to oneshot with that snipe alone?

[crude mortar]

+13 might do

inb4 all gear scaled down to +10 in pvp

[mint hornet]

I feel like if they made pvp changes it'd (hopefully) be more sweeping changes

Than just changing the modifiers and equations

[upper cove]

without hp buff warkai would one shot basically any backline that isn't fdg, maybe izumo

[shy hazel]

+13 gears may change alot of things

[upper cove]

if none of the current buffs to specific hull types change

[shell heron]

the day all gear can hit +13

[upper cove]

hoodgun could be meta on every BB

[shell heron]

those with 2 457s will be really happy

not like I have 2. don't even have 1 yet

[shy hazel]

laughs in mexican

blame urself for researching ships too fast then going pr3

[shell heron]

who says i started PR3 focus

I just had absolute shit luck on all of PR2

[shy hazel]

oh good

u didnt join bandwagon

[upper cove]

I stayed in pr2 until my fdg was done

I'm on pr3 now

azuma a bitch ass

[shell heron]

not until dev30 azuma and one 457

[upper cove]

457 can also suck my dick

[shell heron]

3 azuma prints, can't be too hard right....

[upper cove]

not painful at all

[shy hazel]

have 1 gun and 5 bps

[shell heron]

that 2 FdG print from the medal shop spat in my face today

it mocks me

[lusty phoenix]

is a RicheJB backline Counter-able?

[upper cove]

ya sure

reset until JB 100% misses

[crude mortar]

[shy hazel]

do ppl even die from jb

no need to counter something easily beatable

[upper cove]

if she targets the vg and gets really fuckin lucky

your vg (or theirs) kinda just goes poof

[shy hazel]

how lucky are we talking about

[upper cove]

but it's bonkers rng

[shy hazel]

20%

?

[lusty phoenix]

I target lvl 120riche and JB for Salts

[shy hazel]

i think its way lower

[upper cove]

well it's based on auto movement, and then on hit rate

and a little on crit rate

depending on your vgs speed I think 10% at best

[shy hazel]

might as well use torp meme

at least thats 35%

imo

[upper cove]

why not combine them

even higher chance of stupid shit

[shy hazel]

we call that

kiro's fleet

dont do that

thats evil

[upper cove]

why not

what is the proper torp meme fleet these now anyways

for defense comps

[shell heron]

Full preloaded meme fleet. Sign me up

[shy hazel]

when we tot persues was good

then nerfed before release

[lusty phoenix]

How Lucky the Enemy AI need to be to Not die in a B7S

[ripe latch]

what if +13 suicide plane can deal more dmg?

[shy hazel]

i mean if it has more hp

then it will

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

which will be probably counteracted with +13 aa guns too

depends wtv

[ripe latch]

pvp AA strats

[upper cove]

return of akaga?

[vague token]

oh no gold plates and +13 gear

[ripe latch]

+13 to improve u meme fleets

[crude mortar]

x6 +13 cudas with helena enty proc

[vague token]

does crash even scale with +ing?

[crude mortar]

oh I forgot it didn;t scale

fk

where is zack when we neede

d

isn't he an expert on this subject?

he iosn't in this discord wtf

[upper sparrow]

@zackfair

He is left from here and ALEC

Kek

[ionic magnet]

oh he left

[shy hazel]

zack always goes away

nothing new

2-3 months after come back

he trying to quit al

[upper sparrow]

inb4 he is left bcs mad from erika meme

[shy hazel]

[upper sparrow]

[crude mortar]

hes trying his best to get out of this hell

[ripe latch]

[sour oasis]

+13 gear doesn't seem like it affects pvp. I mean, in the same way fleet power doesn't affect pvp.

It'll inflate profile numbers, but won't get factored into combat.

Or.. Damn, I hope not.

[crude mortar]

is there a source?

I believe it gonna have some effect in pvp?

[sour oasis]

It's not out yet?

[crude mortar]

its out in cn but nobody had enough part to upgrade it

so idk

[sour oasis]

[crude mortar]

I mean in logical sense they might scale down +13 gear to +10 for pvp it make sense

but they dont have common sense nor they do care about pvp

so

yep

[sour oasis]

I still see a gag not a bouquet

[ripe latch]

maybe with 457 +13 bisma be not usless with fdg

[cloud pumice]

People just talk about BB guns and here am I, waiting to see Jintsuu crits with +13 610mm :V

[shy hazel]

?

u expecting them to scale down when they cant code properly?

[static gull]

+13 is a meme or where i can find more about it?

[upper sparrow]

New meme pog

[quartz scaffold]

It was being discussed in #gameplay-help recently

It's a new feature coming with the guild update

https://imgur.com/a/4k9lNd0

[crude mortar]

oh revert healing doesn't works with juneau

june becoming pve ship

[harsh moon]

I'm just thinking about +13 Quad 380, imagine the nukes

[atomic knot]

Hello

I am newbie in azur lane

Can someone teach me or guide me how to good in pvp?

[karmic forum]

Check the tier list in the pins

Those are the ships you want to start working towards to get a good fleet in PvP

Once you get a fleet of 120 ships you should be able to win every match

And if you can win every match that's good enough

[crude mortar]

@atomic knot do you have limited meta ships?

if no

we pvp channel proudly present

[quartz scaffold]

Pvp is mostly a meme in this game and you can ignore it and still progress through the game no problem. It's just free exp and some purins and bulins and if you're serious on going to the top ranks you need lvl 120 meta ships. Also note that pvp meta is different from pve meta @atomic knot

[karmic forum]

@atomic knot make sure to do the warspite mini-event for her sword

[crude mortar]

free exp?

@midnight heron we found one of your kind

[quartz scaffold]

Free exp if you're leveling ships

[karmic forum]

If you miss ~15 matches you're in free exp land where all the fleets are weak/meme

There's too many meta fleets to justify farming exp when you're sandbagging though

[naive dome]

what the heck does inverted healing mean ?

[karmic forum]

Healing turned into damage probably

[quartz scaffold]

When you're leveling up ships you just ignore the ranks and do the easiest most leveled fleet

[karmic forum]

It's only a mechanic in the new siren operation though

[ripe latch]

ryuuhou + juneau pearls tears new meta

[karmic forum]

I think it means that whenever your ships are healed, they take damage instead

[naive dome]

download is available. It's 165mb

[crude mortar]

wtf 165mb

[elder crane]

apparently that doesn't work on Juneau for whatever reason

[harsh moon]

she is an martyr evil forces can't stop her divine cause

[coral wren]

So instead of a certain amount of hp heal you get a dmg boost?

35% dmg boost from Juneau would be nice

[ripe latch]

35%

[alpine summit]

is it time for 12 hour maint

[ripe latch]

welp someone left exers so cya on next season

[alpine summit]

i had faith in them

theyve been doing good lately

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

seerver is up

i spam login

im in!

[quartz scaffold]

1st time being in 1st rank

[crude mortar]

congratulation

I want to sleep

no warspite

yay 1st time in my life getting rank1

wa ta shi wa num ba one

is kgv actually good in pvp? i saw in the tier but never see people actually using her on defend

[vague token]

kgv was good

until rich came out

and was superior

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

new kiro fleet

[upper sparrow]

Erika being a food rn?

[elder crane]

Richi is basically KGV but almost top tier, yeah

[shell heron]

Never thought they'll make a better JB, but Riche happened

[uncut parcel]

is it me or pvp gets stuck on a loading screen forver

[sterile bluff]

[gritty cove]

Thoughts on Jb, rich and perseus backline?

[sterile bluff]

in pvp?

wtaf...

wait did they change ws chibi again?

she doesn't look depressed anymore

[shell heron]

Perseus in pvp...

she gets off her 2 air strikes and becomes useless for at least 30s

maybe if she had another plane slot it could be fun crash memes

[ripe latch]

100% planes

pvp

[gritty cove]

Hey, don't forget the third airstrike

[shell heron]

bold move assuming she's still alive

[gritty cove]

That'd be..intriguing

[sterile bluff]

cay, u r saying it like pers's first 2 airstrikes do any dmg

[shell heron]

but the new fighter is clearly broken right

according to CN people

[sterile bluff]

[ripe latch]

z26 cl guns

what a nimi copy

[alpine summit]

Ummmm can't recall if I did my exercises before I fell asleep

Think the pin says 847 for now, does that sound about right?

[vague token]

i just realized that depending on what stats the +13 gives

457 is gonna be ultra nightmare

no reason to bother with HE in pvp probs

if they get all base damage each +

just two tap all cvs

[alpine summit]

Seemed like the 381 didn't gain any speed, just damage

Would mean faster guns scale better

[vague token]

[shell heron]

You mean one snipe with follow up salvo from warkai deletes any CV

[elder crane]

I don't think Bismarck gun would gain enough dmg to matter, so, well

457 terror it is

[ripe latch]

enemy enty always dodge ws kai skill

[elder crane]

tf are you running on her, double shell?

[ripe latch]

double sg

[vague token]

more like double haloist rng

+13 gyro though

xD

gotta zoom

azooma

[elder crane]

oh yeah, that means you can +speed and open up other aux slots

[vague token]

probably just gonna be hp/hp/hp though

instead of spd/spd/spd

=(

err i guess it would be hit on gyro

hp for boiler

[ripe latch]

french speed team

[vague token]

[digital prism]

cheshire any good

no mgm+1 so id assume not very good for pvp

[vague token]

she's an aa bot

not useful for pvp

[upper cove]

unless you're going against triple CV or something but at that point it's not a tryhard fleet

[elder crane]

also you're still not shooting down planes all that much

better to take sandyret for fleetwide AA buff, which reduces avation dmg

[upper cove]

chesy/isuzu/sandy let's go

[digital prism]

was gonna try full hms meme to try out drake

[ripe latch]

[proper sorrel]

[upper sparrow]

Man of culture

[sour oasis]

Meme. Meme. Meme.

[upper sparrow]

[naive dome]

huh georgia and ark royal are from the same artist?

[deep glacier]

How bad is anti-torpmeme vanguard vs regular meta fleets?

I don't want to bench Yuki and change aux every time I need to fight a blacktorp comp

[vague token]

i mean, noshiro is plenty strong on her own, just not invincible like ykkz is

she has much more damage output while also shielding the vg

[upper sparrow]

Isnt noshi vg already a regular meta

Or regular meta here mean azuma-ykkz-jun

[alpine summit]

could just swap in noshiro over ykkz when you see the meme

and leave everything else the same

and see how that works for you

if nothing else, just reset a few times until they dont crit

[midnight heron]

another day another battle with cheating rng

enemy solo nagatoot evades 5 out of 6 ap shots from fdg

seems fking legit

[deep glacier]

I feel like two anti-torp bulges could help reducing the number of resets vs those type of comps

and I normally use only one

But yeah, I guess I'll test how it goes by just changing to Yuki or Noshiro depending on the foe

[karmic forum]

I just put bulge on Azuma

And use Azuma/Juneau/Noshiro

Works against pretty much any fleet I've found

[ionic magnet]

im using those three too rn

[deep glacier]

So, only one anti-torp aux?

[ionic magnet]

except i dont use bulge at all

[karmic forum]

You might not need bulge

[deep glacier]

not two or three like the CN guys?

[ionic magnet]

just put noshi lead vs torpmemes
and jun lead vs everything else

[karmic forum]

But putting one on azuma hasn't hurt my winrate in anyway

I always use azuma lead w/ bulge

[ionic magnet]

i kinda prefer her at the back so she can last longer

[deep glacier]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll use Azuma with bulge and test both front and back position

Maybe I'm worrying over nothing

[karmic forum]

Positioning comes down to preference

Sometimes I move noshiro up to the front because azuma never dies and neither does juneau

[deep glacier]

oic

[ionic magnet]

its more of why make azuma tank when noshiro can do the same thing imo

azuma has better dmg so just natural to try to make her live longer

and yea i dont think this black torp meme is any better than the old torpmemes

it has bigger numbers sure but it also kills themselves more often than not

[deep glacier]

Honestly I haven't fought a blacktorp comp yet

but I don't want to be unprepared when the time comes

But maybe it's not a threat like you say

[vague token]

azuma tanks better because the sheer hp means you can soak more torps before anyone dies

[ionic magnet]

torpmemes are still the best defense so i wont say its not a threat

[vague token]

noshiro can still only handle so many

cause her base hp is too low

also, having azuma in front lets you sponge the follow up nagato barrage

which noshiro will die horribly to

like most lights

xD

[ionic magnet]

i mean she doesnt need to eat all the torps

[deep glacier]

Ok, let's change that to a "bigger threat"

(?)

[karmic forum]

Noshiro is squishy

Especially if you run her like I do with double boiler

[ionic magnet]

no way noshiro is squishy

[upper sparrow]

Double rudder

[karmic forum]

I meant boiler whoops

[granite flame]

double rudder

[karmic forum]

My noshiro usually dies first in the off-tank position

[upper sparrow]

Just put rudder&pearl on noshi

[karmic forum]

I could run that but its more important that juneau doesn't get bursted down in torp comps

[ionic magnet]

im using boiler pearl on her and she tanks just fine

[karmic forum]

She doesn't die too soon for me

I've just been noting that she often dies before azuma and juneau

I could switch to juneau double boiler and noshiro boiler pearl and switch the position a bit

[vague token]

she usually sinks before azuma lead for me with pearl/boiler

[karmic forum]

But I haven't run into a real fleet in a while

[vague token]

it's just a problem of not enough hp

azuma defies dice rolls with sheer numbers

[ionic magnet]

i mean you want her to die before azuma no?

[karmic forum]

Yeah I usually want her to die first

[ionic magnet]

i dont see any problem

[vague token]

i prefer juneau dying first xD

[karmic forum]

There isn't a problem

But its the reason why I don't run noshiro tank

[vague token]

i dont run any light in front because it's really easy to pop

azuma says, nice dice roll

shame if i had armor to negate your barrage

and bulge to stop torps

begone dice

[karmic forum]

Only time where azuma tank is detrimental is if juneau dies too late.

Which may happen depending on the comp I'm facing

[deep glacier]

So is it better to use plate on azuma instead of amagi?

[vague token]

also nice is being able to catch more torps for the backline

[ionic magnet]

dont like azuma tank cos she dies before pearl holder or even jun sometimes

[vague token]

xD

[karmic forum]

I'd rather have plate on amagi

[vague token]

i mean, do you use armor

most people use armor on backline

im just weird

[deep glacier]

lol

[vague token]

like hiryuu

xD

once we get a 2nd armor

[ionic magnet]

my armor is on amagi

[vague token]

my evil plan will be complete

[deep glacier]

I'll keep my armor on amagi then

[vague token]

and a 457

i need one of those

[deep glacier]

Me too

44/50

btw

Would be a terrible idea to use FdG without a 457?

[vague token]

it's more important to dev 30

[karmic forum]

No

[vague token]

than 457

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

457+dev 30 =

but dev 30 is the single largest power boost

for fdg

it gives you one more dice roll

[karmic forum]

Although 457 makes fdg a fair bit more flexible

[vague token]

50% more dice

is extremely powerful

[karmic forum]

You don't have to run stuff like hpfcr + triple 381 to avoid rudder timing

[deep glacier]

I'll use her during the second week of the current season

but I don't have HPFCR

would be appropiate to use her with IHR+SG?

[ionic magnet]

if you have amagi buff just do double sg or sg+hfcr

shes still plenty tanky

[karmic forum]

I'd consider using mk6 since you can still avoid rudder timing without hpfcr

Only you'll be hitting after rudder and will be a bit slower in general

IHR+SG is what I use

Prepare to see a lot of misses though

[deep glacier]

Yeah, I'll use amagi

[ionic magnet]

yea she misses a lot

[deep glacier]

and I guess I'll use the mk6 on her

Like a coin flip?

[vague token]

needs glasses

[deep glacier]

inb4 worse

[sour oasis]

Not that I'm close, but what's the priority, a 2nd twin 457 or move to PR3?

[karmic forum]

PR3

[ionic magnet]

2nd 457 is like what

6 months?

[karmic forum]

Unless you truly only care about PvP

But they also might powercreep the 457 with the addition of +13

so keep that in mind

[deep glacier]

https://i.imgur.com/JBSjj35.png

What would be the best choice for the third slot

Nagato, Warspite, Hiryuu or Richelieu?

[karmic forum]

Nagato

[deep glacier]

Ok~ ok~

[ionic magnet]

either nagato or warkai

[karmic forum]

Ws/FDG/Amagi without a 457 is sorta sad

[vague token]

i mean, +13 is just gonna push 457 harder

there's no way it isnt getting damage unless they manually adjust each weapon

and more damage means ships die sooner

[karmic forum]

The details aren't all there but its implied that only certain gear will be able to be enhanced past +10

[vague token]

which means less damage taken

i mean, it'd be kinda weird to not allow rainbows to go to +13

[karmic forum]

And the 457 is allegedly not one of them

[vague token]

unless they balance pass every weapon in the game

in which case skies the limit

[ionic magnet]

balance in al

nice meme

[vague token]

exactly

[karmic forum]

Gold plates seem to be timegated but you can spend oil to get them

[vague token]

cause then it would be like

the black torp aux going to +13

would make it better than rainbow

even with magtorps equipped

[karmic forum]

We'll see once the datamines are out for siren operations

[ionic magnet]

so level 130 when

[vague token]

plz no

i dont want to grind 10+ mil exp

ill cry

[karmic forum]

Gotta get all my PvP ships to 3M just in case

[crude mortar]

406+13

!

[vague token]

3m wouldnt get you to 130 given how 110-115 and 115-120 is

[karmic forum]

It wouldn't but its the cap so its less time wasted

I also think that 130 is very unlikely atm

[vague token]

there's 0 chance for 130

we would have to get an alternate progression method

the exp requirement would inflate so much it wouldnt be funny if we got 130

[karmic forum]

They're already adding another progression method with +13 gear

[vague token]

yeah

also, pvp would break even harder

with the hp multiplier

xD

although that would help stop 457 nuking at the 20s mark

kek

[karmic forum]

Shit, I think I need VH armor on Azuma to survive 11-4 HM

[ionic magnet]

well lv 130 is p much needed if they want to release new chapters

been like what

2 yrs since ch13?

[vague token]

na, there are ways to give stats without levels though

[karmic forum]

Which means I get to test VH armor azuma for a bit on PvP I guess

[vague token]

my guess is we get a start from 0 resource thing that functions similar to tech

[ionic magnet]

you think theyd bother to make new system

[vague token]

tech levels say hi

xD

it's ok w/e new system they add will break pvp ;)

truly a struggle

[upper cove]

devs? caring about pvp?

[vague token]

but it definitely has to be avoided for pvp to even work lul

[ionic magnet]

just a matter of time for lv 130

[vague token]

unless they just drop us entirely

in which case fair enough

i would like an extra armor though

gotta get armor hiryuu

+armor azuma

no more dice rolls

only numbers

[midnight heron]

release 130 only when someone has 120'd all unique ships kthxbye

||which is never ever||

[shy hazel]

pointless when

they just keep adding 5 ships every month

and not a single out of them is fleshed out

[deep glacier]

Mhmm, this is not entirely a pvp topic but it's somewhat related

since I don't need to do more DR bps researches

unless devs release fatesim for DRs

I'm going to do only PR2 equipment research

purple g's > purplue q's > 1hr q's

is that the most efficient way if I want to maximize chances for the rainbow bps?

[shy hazel]

i didnt really try doing purples but i got 50

usually just does the shortest research available

[deep glacier]

I only got 5 bps from 1 hr researches

i guess my luck just sucks

[alpine summit]

i see, ran into 4 sand baggers at one time

[deep glacier]

chances of one or two being from EU and are just sleeping?

[alpine summit]

pretty bad luck to get 4

[deep glacier]

That's a regular day for me

[midnight heron]

welcome to rng

[deep glacier]

https://i.imgur.com/dTz7Wiy.png

Double autoloader on hood

at +6 no less

[vague token]

im still 10/10

the curse

[deep glacier]

I refresh after 2 hours if no one moves

but then I still end up not getting any bonuses

and I think

What if I hadn't pressed the button?

maybe one of those guys moved soon after I pressed the button

and then i can't sleep

http://i.imgur.com/1PsPxyN.png

Too bad I started the season with 133 points

[lament lichen]

its always a dead seasion

[deep glacier]

^

[buoyant parrot]

if anyone saw my team at Avrora please test it out. :)

[deep glacier]

Can I see a screenshot of it?

[deep glacier]

I guess you are using two black torps

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

I am using 2 Black Torp

[upper cove]

how often does this happen https://puu.sh/GkbnE/9d36fa8244.png

[deep glacier]

For me

almost never

[upper cove]

tbf my vg went up to enemy backline and starter ramming

and yuki immediately blasted one of them gon

as well as cucked warkai out of a barrage

so it makes sense I guess

[obsidian kite]

My Ayanami and Noshiro are getting MVP from torp cancer

Ayanami will be replaced with Jintsuu but for now she's really hitting hard

[upper cove]

sometimes my amagi steals mvp too

kinda wild

[obsidian kite]

I should Level my Nagato Amagi and Naganami to 120

[alpine summit]

the only possible way for ykkz to get mvp

is for the other van to just RAM into her while she is torping

[upper cove]

well

that didn't happen but she did shotgun a backline

[alpine summit]

indeed, the classic 4 guys who didnt move a single time even though they had similar points to me

[crude mortar]

flex defense fleet

[upper cove]

that defense fleet looks like it was set 2 years ago and hasn't changed since

[coral wren]

is that china wall

[karmic forum]

@deep glacier 1hr Q > 1.5hr G > purple Q and G > 2hr Q > 2.5hr G in terms of common research

I'd also still take DR faces because the devs have confirmed that DR fatesim will be released eventually

[coral wren]

What do you guys think of my warspite for pvp now good or bad

[naive dome]

i'm prioritizing any azuma faced research

[alpine summit]

i really wish we had at least an extra month after they announced pr3

would have gone big whale cube spending on pr2.....well im doing that now anyway but it would of been nicer

[elder crane]

@coral wren
Shells are no good in PvP
BB aux is always SG/Badge/Rudder+SG/HPFCR(/very occasionally white shell) pretty much

Player ship evasion/luck are much higher than PvE enemies, and your backline actually takes damage

Evasion on main fleet units is actually a massive boost to survivability; just, that isn't really useful in PvE, where most of the dmg main fleet takes is either fires (which fire ext is ridiculously good against) or plane/ship suicide damage, which is unevadable

Accuracy in PvE isn't super important, since even endgame bosses don't usually break 100 eva/ 25 luck
meanwhile, even heavy cruisers are 100+ evasion with equips, and main fleet units with rudder/SG type setups range from 70 to 100+ evasion too, and actually have luck stat (+Amagi evasion rate buff)
This makes accuracy/hit stat on units like BBs with low innate accuracy/hit much more valuable in PvP
For comparison, even Warkai is 100 base hit stat, with most main fleet units ranging from 70-80; meanwhile, CAs range from 120-140 base accuracy stat, with CLs 160+ and DDs 180+

[crude mortar]

but there is always somebody using double shell hit or reset strat

[vague token]

kek

[deep glacier]

I'd also still take DR faces because the devs have confirmed that DR fatesim will be released eventually
@karmic forum Thanks for letting me know

I totally forgot about the "reserve bps" button in the core shop

or maybe they already announced it explicitly

(I'm always the last to hear the news)

[coral wren]

At what Dev can FDG be used in pvp?

[ripe latch]

25 , but 20 enough too

[vague token]

just note that fdg's power spike at dev 30 is immense

[shell heron]

Mgm +1 at dev30 is huge

[vague token]

i mean, it's a 50% increase in dice rolls

that's big

xD

[shell heron]

Before that she tanks very well

But so does suruga

[vague token]

i might swap my defense to rich/suruga/amagi

team Too Much EHP

will it kill anyone? no

but it will waste your time

xD

[shell heron]

I want yo run into your fleet now. My new dev30 azuma better put in work for how much cubes I dumped on her

[vague token]

well, currently it's just debuff memes

i have like smol lusty/lena/kizuna

xD

if only they didnt all trigger at 20s

[true vale]

I hate time wasters so much. Yours sincerely, Juneau Yuki defense fleet.

[vague token]

[true vale]

In all seriousness though, I feel like I should just drop a meme fleet on defense.

Let's see what we have..

[vague token]

you dont want defense to be scary early

otherwise food wont push

xD

[true vale]

The 'yo dawg, i heard you like shields' fleet.

[vague token]

no algerie for torp shield?

[true vale]

Litto gives torp shield anyways

[vague token]

algerie's respawns

xD

[true vale]

But then I won't have 3 projectile shields.

So how about this?

Just for the eternity of backline immunity.

[ripe latch]

free food for enty

[true vale]

I feel like I need more backlines that give some gimmicky protection

[ripe latch]

prinz roon juneau/yuki

more degen vg

[true vale]

Alright, I un-degen'd my defense and just put Graf with Z-Fleet.

[ripe latch]

[true vale]

'nuff food, but not freefarm.

At least everyone gets to see my love for german destroyers

[shy hazel]

i see kms

why is kms other than fdg in pvp

[true vale]

Because it's a defense fleet?

[shell heron]

Eldie fleet. If it works. The person fighting it gets really annoyed

[true vale]

What does she even do? Oo

Gotta be honest I kinda let her collect dust after I got her.

Nvm just looked it up.

[harsh moon]

JdA/Elridge for mega slow vanguard

[shy hazel]

oh shit

[shell heron]

Reminds me to 120 jda to make it a bigger meme

[shy hazel]

u summoned cay

[shell heron]

I have an eldie sensor for when people talk about possible def fleets

[true vale]

Eh, they don't mean to be memey, or useful, or anything really. They just thematically fit together.

[sour oasis]

Let me have my golden Eldredge defense. Just gotta get Albacore in there and it'll be Core Defense Meme.

[true vale]

Too bad you can't put SS in the fleet.. I'd go for the iconic Alba / Taihou meme.

[ripe latch]

#pvp

[ripe latch]

drake second ship where atago gun not usless

[harsh moon]

events wasn't enough now they're stealing other nations guns

[ripe latch]

234drop rate too low so atago gun and Mle234 usable , other - trash

[wintry wind]

Triple 381mm (BL 15" Mk III Prototype) or gold Triple 406mm (BL 16" Mk I)?

[shell heron]

Wait

this thing?

Dont. That406 is normal shells

[true vale]

Pretty sure you ever only use that gun on Massachusetts

The one you're possibly talking about is the Triple 406mm MK6 which is what the likes of QE would use. Someone that doesn't have a per-shot barrage. 381mm is good for Amagi / Nagato for instance, where you have a per-shot barrage chance.

Scrap that, Triple.. 381 is something else entirely. I don't think you effectively use it that much for equipping BBs. The MK6 has better damage output afaik. Triple 381 is mostly for timing, and most ships that are raw non-timed dps prefer the Triple 406 MK6 over it. There's only a couple niche cases in the equipment list.

[shell heron]

Pvp-wise. The 406 mk6 is almost never considered because speed

[vague token]

tfw massa ammo is worse than 457

[shell heron]

That normal 406 have no place in pvp because massy is not good here

[vague token]

or anywhere kek

[true vale]

406 is never considered because the ships that use it aren't considered in PVP anymore

[crude mortar]

which 406

purple?

[ripe latch]

406 mk6?

[blazing scroll]

triple 406 bl16 mk1

I think

[wintry wind]

So triple 381 on Monarch good?

[shell heron]

For pvp. I pref twin 406skc

They had me on the first half

[wintry wind]

Would twin 380 work?

[shell heron]

Meme speed AP gun

[upper cove]

might work on barragers but still pretty meme

[wintry wind]

@upper cove So Monarch?

[upper cove]

in theory probably

but you're better off with 406skc for burns

or even triple 410 if you still want AP damage

380 is just too niche

[wintry wind]

Kk

[upper cove]

can people sandbag more

[frail orbit]

Udon have 457 for fast AP?

Lame

[upper cove]

[lament lichen]

Use confetti gun if you really wanna meme

[harsh moon]

Riche/JB/Champagne with confetti gun for celebrations

I should do that one day

[upper sparrow]

[true vale]

I have a question. With an opponent Hiryuu, do I want to snipe them early and take them out of the game first, or do I want to ignore their miniscule damage and focus others first?

i.e. on a Namaryuu fleet

Cause going by pure feeling, I'd rather snipe out an amagi versus a hiryuu because their damage is higher.

And with my VG running triple boiler I can tank most airstrikes early and outrun them

[upper sparrow]

It personal preference tbh, but the thing is if u snipe amagi first there is a chance ur vg already/almost wiped out when u want to get hiryuu, and plane crash damage when vg is gone is gonna huge

Also amagi sometimes can dodge warkai snipe its kinda annoying

[ionic magnet]

sniping hiryuu is better so you can limit her to 3 airstrikes only

cos usually when that 4th airstrike comes, you dont have VG anymore

and that thing deals more dmg than an amagi that misses half her shots

not to mention your matches are 10s or so faster

[alpine summit]

You ideally go for hiryuu first because hiryuu is the most dangerous unit in double time

[empty grove]

Nice

[alpine summit]

She might get 2 free strikes on you if you didn't proc her until after vg are dead

[sour oasis]

Anyone in EoS top 100 play exclusively on emulators? Do you ever leave the game running over 24h? Does anything glitch out requiring a restart?

[naive dome]

I run on Memu and sometimes the game can freeze in just a few hours, but i've seen it running smoothly after 12 hours.
I don't play exclusively on emulators though

it doesn't freeze that often, but it does happen

[lament lichen]

Only played on my phone

[ionic magnet]

testing namaspite vs this

noshi(bulge+pearl) azuma(gyro+rudder) jun(2xboiler) 15-5
azuma(bulge+armor) noshi(boiler+pearl) jun(2xboiler) 13-7

any other suggestions?

[elder crane]

Interested in trying to confirm if ykkz is actually bad vs this team, try those standard setups

[ionic magnet]

oh right

gotcha

[karmic forum]

What about using bulge rudder on azuma?

[ionic magnet]

ok ill do that first

[elder crane]

Try that, and later try that setup vs a NamagiFdG or something if possible

No point in gaining winrate vs one to lose it vs another, I assume most won't bother to change aux equip to match team being faced

Also, anything interesting you observed about the matches?

[karmic forum]

Who has the VH armor on his team?

Hiryuu or amagi?

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu got armor

and im sniping hiryuu

[karmic forum]

Makes sense

[elder crane]

Yeah, torpteam's Hiryuu is defs the most lethal main flt unit

[ionic magnet]

armor hiryuu is actually annoying cos warkai cant snipe her in time sometimes

[karmic forum]

How many times does your vanguard die before hiryuu procs fc?

[elder crane]

I'm actually kinda surprised 457 warkai can't kill Hiryuu fast enough sometimes

Haven't run into that issue myself

[ionic magnet]

both cases so far, hiryuu procs fc after VG is dead half the time

[karmic forum]

Thats scary honestly

[ionic magnet]

so its up to rng whether nagato and amagi are low enough

yea it is

[elder crane]

Pretty surprising tbh
Vanguard dead before ~27 s or warkai snipe failed?

[karmic forum]

Probably a combination of both

[ionic magnet]

yea either warkai snipe failed or enemy VG died too fast

so my own VG get wiped by aux guns

[karmic forum]

gib me naganami already

[elder crane]

Hmm, interesting
Do you win the vanguard fight reliably w at least moderate HP left?

Or does sometime your vanguard lose/barely win

[ionic magnet]

its usually just azuma left with sub 50% hp

and even if noshi/jun survived, they just melt to aux guns too fast

like 3 secs or smth

then hiryuu for some reason doesnt fire her torps at azuma

when shes on the backlines face

so my own backline eats the ryuuseis cleanly

[karmic forum]

hmmmmm

[elder crane]

Well, I was thinking maybe if vanguard is healthy enough before they run into aux guns, maybe could snipe Amagi instead, focusing Nagato after, and win by Hiryuu being unable to kill vanguard effectively

No one is supposed to aim tb at vanguard in their face

[karmic forum]

Seems like the best strat might be to reset until they get bad torp patterns

[elder crane]

It only rarely happens if speedy vanguard pulls too far away

[ionic magnet]

yea ykkz might solve that issue

[elder crane]

25 minimum range iirc

[ionic magnet]

well as long as she doesnt get 1 shot by torps

[karmic forum]

I'm not convinced that ykkz is the answer

Who do you drop for her?

[elder crane]

Ryuu type offenses should probably do perfectly fine vs new torpmemes

[fading olive]

How does one get promoted to rear admiral lower half? I checked wiki and I have 1075 points, above the minimum rank score required but why am I still captain 🤔 🤔 ?

[ionic magnet]

not sure but at least ykkz can stall aux guns longer

ill have to try it first

[elder crane]

You need minimum rank too

Sub 1k on player ranking

All admiral ranks have player rank reqs

[karmic forum]

Its worth a shot but I think if you remove noshiro then your vanguard will get melted way too fast

[ionic magnet]

then theres namaryuu offense
this is gonna be a long day

[crude mortar]

im half bagging life

[karmic forum]

Maybe use Noshiro/Juneau/Ykkz but that might just melt anyways

[elder crane]

Azuma actually tanks torps more reliably than anything else

[karmic forum]

Yeah thats why I don't like removing azuma

[elder crane]

With vanguard hit stat and nagato accuracy boost, evarates for everyone is shit

Azuma also survives aux guns etc the best

[karmic forum]

Azuma w/ bulge + noshiro buff is the best tank against that comp

[elder crane]

Noshiro and ykkz are around 40% evarate vs torpmemes

[karmic forum]

If she can't survive that vanguard then theres a problem

Hoo what's famine's current rank?

[elder crane]

Ykkz especially gets nuked hard even by 1 torp

And noshiro at best barely survives 3 hits

[karmic forum]

Want to try to see if I can roll into him since hes the only one with a scary torp comp so far

[naive dome]

how good would such scary torp comp be on offensive ?

[elder crane]

It does pretty well since 610s means you still range main fleet as offense

I'll have to see details once I find some proper defense to test vs

[ionic magnet]

just realized fam is using twin 127 guns

no wonder my VG melts fast

[elder crane]

Correct setup for defense tbf

[karmic forum]

Twin 127 over 138.6?

[ionic magnet]

yea dam u fam

[karmic forum]

DD guns are correct for that comp especially

[elder crane]

Perhaps some main surprises are
Point blank 610s still lands a torp more often than not, for still a decent nuke
Chunking main or vanguard is perfectly fine at start. And chunking- just a few torps landed is enough. Only if barely any torps landed does the team actually feel shitty, so far.

[fading olive]

I now understand that admiral ranks require minimum player ranks. Now my question is, do you "drop" out of admiral ranks? If so do you stop getting 90 merit per victory and instead get 80?

[elder crane]

Nah, for offense, you still want prcl guns

With your BB aux firing and theirs not, torpmemes actually wins vanguard fight more often than not

[naive dome]

does that that torp comp with 610 use black dildo or not ?

[elder crane]

Yes, you can drop out

You still get the reward for entering the rank, but fights now give lower merit, yeah

Black dildo w 610s obviously

Except on Naganami apparently?

[karmic forum]

I've used DD guns on defense before but for stall comps

[elder crane]

Cause of her skill

[ionic magnet]

https://streamable.com/uyv6c6

here just 3 matches tho otherwise will take forever to upload

pardon my pepega fps

some matches are too close so i just list it as a loss

that one is the rudder bulge azuma btw

7-1 so far

[karmic forum]

Yeah the first one was too close to call

Interesting how your nagato died before juneau in 3/3 games

[ionic magnet]

aaaaand i messed up

[karmic forum]

This is why I cut the connection

[ionic magnet]

anyways bulge rudder looks the best option so far

[karmic forum]

You get to see the end result and you won't risk winning/losing

[ionic magnet]

hmm i should do that next time

[karmic forum]

Makes sense

[ionic magnet]

my nagato is 118 but dont think it hurts that much

[karmic forum]

You want your azuma to be as tanky as possible because she also protects the rest of your vanguard

[elder crane]

Wtf are you running on warkai

[rocky shadow]

Wait, if i lost then i cut connection does the lost match still count?

[elder crane]

Why is btl timer 4:37 and Hiryuu at 80% HP still

[karmic forum]

No

[ionic magnet]

2x sg radar

[karmic forum]

It doesn't count if you cut the connection

[ionic magnet]

lol yea

[elder crane]

457/staag and double SG?

[ionic magnet]

sometimes she just misses

yea

[rocky shadow]

Cut connection mean turn off WiFi or mobile data right then force close the game right?

[karmic forum]

Turn off both

Let the match conclude

And then exit the game

Turn wifi/data back on

The match won't count

You'll have the same list

[elder crane]

Idk how that happens since missing both barrage shots then one of her 457 and salvos 2/3 don't hit and Amagi fails to barrage is like
<2% or something to happen

[karmic forum]

Its only for testing since it doesn't count if you win either

[rocky shadow]

Ahh thx

[elder crane]

You can turn on wifi and reconnect on a win if you act fast

Well, can reconnect a loss too, just, why though XD

[rocky shadow]

Sometimes im miscalculate the match (i thought i will win)

[karmic forum]

Sometimes ws just misses

I'm pretty sure famine is using something like VH + Rudder

Its a fairly tanky setup

[ionic magnet]

Idk how that happens since missing both barrage shots then one of her 457 and salvos 2/3 don't hit and Amagi fails to barrage is like
<2% or something to happen
this is the first match right? i actually think thats a win cos warkai fired her barrage already

but yea that rng is just

[midnight heron]

<2% more like 50% for me ||u got haloist'd||

[karmic forum]

Bulge/Rudder seems like a good choice against that comp

[rocky shadow]

Vh armor use on medium armor backline right?

[karmic forum]

Now you need to test Bulge/Rudder against a regular Namagi + FDG comp

[midnight heron]

vh rudder hiryuu is y i suggest not aiming hiryuu in such situations

[elder crane]

Again
You aren't going to switch aux for each fight lol

And bulge/rudder is probably quite clearly worse vs not-torpmemes

[karmic forum]

Which is why I wish you have the option of saving loadouts for defense fleets

So you can free up the gear slots on offense

[ionic magnet]

yea normal torpmemes are a lot weaker than famines setup too

[elder crane]

Switching ships even is pepega

[karmic forum]

Or vice versa

[rocky shadow]

Usually when i see hiryu fleet i just snipe other ship (not hiryu)

[karmic forum]

Just let PvP eqs. be their own thing

[midnight heron]

better off killing their amagi to reduce potential barrages and reduce overall defence

[elder crane]

Even switching position is

[ionic magnet]

i only switch warkai position before and now i have to switch azuma too

[rocky shadow]

Even enemy amagi sometimes dogde warspite snipe

Idk why that happen

[elder crane]

Focusing amagi only really makes sense if own Hiryuu basically

Even warkai vs rudder Amagi is still under 80% hitrate iirc

[ionic magnet]

do you ppl run armor rudder on hiryuu too

[elder crane]

Nah, beacon rudder for me right now

[karmic forum]

Thats what I would run if I ran hiryuu

[elder crane]

Beacon is quite useful for hiryuu duels

[karmic forum]

I'd only run hiryuu for defense though

[elder crane]

And armor is only really needed for defense

[karmic forum]

I ran Hiryuu flag last season and Cay said it was annoying

[rocky shadow]

Is vh armor on amagi good so the setup will be vh + rudder?

[elder crane]

Wasn't Cay also not running meta

[karmic forum]

Cay runs standard namagi-ws I think

[elder crane]

I actually don't even use VH

[ionic magnet]

hmm true but if more ppl ran armor hiryuu, maybe its better to just snipe amagi

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

That comp doesn't seem to do too well against torpmemes

[crude mortar]

I dont see warspite I use trple cv

[karmic forum]

So I stopped using it

[elder crane]

VH on offense I'm liking less and less, as a liability vs torps

[karmic forum]

I still run VH on amagi

[rocky shadow]

Vh with rudder?

[elder crane]

I don't really see the point for Namaryuu
Makes sense for warkai setups though

[karmic forum]

VH/Rudder for ultimate defense

[elder crane]

VH rudder for warkai setups, yeah

Which is why I don't like Nagato much for that anymore

[karmic forum]

Because ws is pretty squishy with SG/HPFCR

[rocky shadow]

For offense vh armor work too?

[karmic forum]

I use amagi to tank the enemy ws

It works but you're better off using SG radar

[elder crane]

Basically the issue is VH rudder amagi does a lot less dmg than 1 sg setup

You need something to pick up the slack

Warkai does that just fine, so Amagi can afford it

Hiryuu is more of a end nuke with FC, so meh

With amagi doing less dmg w that setup, and warkai obviously not IJN, imo Nagato isn't even all that useful anymore

I should try out richi in that setup actually

Used to run Hiryuu instead for a while

[rocky shadow]

Nagato isnt that useful with ijn?

[karmic forum]

I'd say the Azuma buff is the most important

[elder crane]

Nagato on offense is mostly only good for her buffs

Since barrage is too unreliable

If she's not buffing that many ships that care about the buff,

[karmic forum]

Actually I don't know why I'm still gearing like I'm running a defense fleet when I'm using my meme defense

[midnight heron]

rmb its 100% barrage for enemy and 40% for urself

[karmic forum]

I'll try Amagi/Richy/FdG

[elder crane]

40% for self?

More like, drop that 4

[rocky shadow]

Double sniper good (fdg+warspite)?

[elder crane]

But anyways you want offense winrates of 80+% at least

And Nagato fails first two barrages 36% of the time

[ionic magnet]

agree on the vh rudder amagi thing
rudder sg is usually enough to tank warkai focus but it gets spicy if you go vs fdg+warkai

[elder crane]

20% of the time fails 3 barrages

[rocky shadow]

I see namafdg and azuma (fdg and azuma 6 star is hard defense fleet)

[karmic forum]

I don't see any fdg/warkai defense fleets

[elder crane]

That's better with 2 457

[ionic magnet]

i only got it once

[karmic forum]

Like I didn't see a single one last season

[elder crane]

Which no one has on EN, pretty much

[ionic magnet]

but famine changed def comp now

that focus dmg is crazy tho

[crude mortar]

🥖

yabai desu ne

[karmic forum]

Yup nobody has double 457 on en

Absolutely nobody at all

[crude mortar]

mr f?

[rocky shadow]

Why some player have finished 457? My still at 24/50

[elder crane]

If you have double 457 you won't have dev30 FdG

[karmic forum]

I'll rephrase this, nobody has double 457 and dev30s on EN

You'd have to giga luccsacc PR2

[elder crane]

Pretty much impossible to luccsacc that hard

[karmic forum]

[elder crane]

The # of ppl properly doing research is low to begin with

[rocky shadow]

I see some player have fdg and azuma with 6 star in pvp

[elder crane]

And you have 0 chance without proper research selection

[karmic forum]

Not even that

[elder crane]

You can probably count the ppl with all PR2 dev30 and a 457 on one hand

[karmic forum]

Most people just aren't time-efficient with research

[shell heron]

Wait, what is Phoenix on?

[karmic forum]

@shell heron shhhhhhh

[shell heron]

[rocky shadow]

Well my problem is resource to get good research

[karmic forum]

You're going about it the wrong way

[rocky shadow]

Ur drop need expensive resource cost

[karmic forum]

Good research is anything that is short and gives the relevant bps

So 1hr Q is a good research

[elder crane]

457 hunt isn't that expensive actually

[karmic forum]

1.5hr G is a good research

1hr cube is good too

[elder crane]

Since most good equip research is freee

[rocky shadow]

1.5hr G that cost 1500 coin?

[elder crane]

1.5h G is actually not that good

But it's a fast refresh for a passable project

[karmic forum]

Its good if you're also going for DRs

[elder crane]

Better than 80% of the trash pretty much

[rocky shadow]

My standard research usually 1.5hr G or free 6 or 8 hours with pr bp drop

[karmic forum]

Try to limit the amount of free research you do

6hr is especially bad

One of the worse researches you can take

[elder crane]

The main highlights are 30 min projects, G-531 (4h purple), Q 1 H or 4H purple, and 2.5h face D projects

All the c projects are garbage

[rocky shadow]

I will take 6 hour research if there arent no good research

[elder crane]

Hard to believe that

Unless low on res

It's shit even among shit projects

[karmic forum]

I'd rather take a 1hr Q than a 6hr C if I'm going to sleep

[rocky shadow]

I avoid gold research because expensive cost

[karmic forum]

You're gonna have to use gold

[elder crane]

Literally every free project is better, pretty much

[shell heron]

G-412 is amazing for refreshes

[karmic forum]

If you want to progress faster

[shell heron]

531s are decent because of gear drops

[rocky shadow]

I take g 412 (1.5 hr) usually

[elder crane]

If you don't use gold/cubes, then even the PRs will take you over a year to dev30

[crude mortar]

phonixf got 2 457 isn't it