pvp

[karmic forum]

Maybe eld if you get a rainbow proc

[crude mortar]

yeah they love to ram idk

stupid ai mechanic

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

eld with rainbow will still just crash into them

xD

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

like first air strike their vg dying 90% of the time and 10% is yukikaze living at 10-20% hp

I change from beacon to gold catapult and all their vg just die

and again yukikaze living like 5% hp 2-3 out of 10 times

and aftrer that my vg gonna suicide at enemy bb

either ramming or tanking aux gun

I need something tanking bb so my enty can kill at 40

bb aux gun

and if my vg too close to enemy bb

their bb just gonna ignore my vg and shoot 3 times to my backrow

[midnight heron]

[coral wren]

tough

[sterile bobcat]

Since I'm still waiting for warkai event, should I run base warspite half kai or hyuuga in the meantime?
my other 2 backliners are BBs too btw (Richy and JB to be specific)

[upper sparrow]

Richi is pretty good, u can try Formi-centaur comp too if u have them

[sterile bobcat]

the only pvp-viable CV I have is Hiryuu kai and maybe Enty
So far BBs seem to give me far better results so I'm sticking to Richy+JB for a while, I'm just a bit unsure about the 3rd spot

[upper sparrow]

Hiryuu then, if u ask me i prefer richi-enty-hiryuu rather using JB

Enty rng is a bit better than her at least

But its up to you

[sterile bobcat]

Fair enough
sometimes insta-deleting the enemy vg with Richy/JB is too much fun tho

[shell heron]

huh, I'm still within EoS top 10 possibility even with my rushing sometimes

r1 is impossible but I'll take top 10 if i still can

[ripe latch]

[proper sorrel]

ah yes, MNFF Warspite

[crude mortar]

MNFF YUKIKAZE

[ionic magnet]

ah the classic yukikaze tank

[ripe latch]

classsic 🥩

[next olive]

who is the best starter dd for pvp?

[hot creek]

aya is the only one of them that has any impact.

[empty grove]

I've actually been seeing YKKZ tank a fuck ton lately

& I can't comprehend why

[proper sorrel]

javelin mayve?

evasion, but then again

[hot creek]

DD's in pvp aren't so great in general. Ykkz is an exception. Aya can do stuff since she has torp memes at least.

[next olive]

yukikaze is a staple

also my aya keep die

[ripe latch]

ayaya not good on pvp

[next olive]

but funny

[ripe latch]

show what dd u have now

[hot creek]

Aya is fine as any other torp memer. Just pray your torps hit.

[next olive]

i want to break my opponents vanguard at the beginning of the game

[ripe latch]

[next olive]

with the help of riche

[ripe latch]

kita carry dd

pew pew b pew pew b

[true vale]

I swear sometimes AL hates me.. 3 battle resets, 3 times their nagato barrages twice, mine doesn't barrage once. Sadly, on the third reset I thought "Eh, this couldn't possibly happen 3 times in a row.."

Came back to a fat D in my face.

Still got back to Rank 8 this morning

[upper sparrow]

Embrace ur bad rng

[crude mortar]

sounds like haloist to me

[upper sparrow]

@vague token are u planning to test howe-QE-warkai comp in the future?

[crude mortar]

I have qe and warspite 120

[ionic magnet]

rng you say?

8 secs in and warkai almost ded

[upper sparrow]

@crude mortar test it with howe then

[crude mortar]

i have long lvling que

nagato and amagi

[upper sparrow]

Meta slave

[ionic magnet]

so many better options than QE now

[upper sparrow]

Embrace ur memes erika

Smh

[crude mortar]

i use qe cuz she tanky af vs warspite

[ionic magnet]

qe is never a tanky bote

[crude mortar]

im slapping in double evasion

[ionic magnet]

you can do that to literally any other BB tho

[crude mortar]

i need fdg 30

[ripe latch]

anyone want fdg30

[quartz scaffold]

Not me

[alpine finch]

edgy botes

[sterile bobcat]

I want dev30 azuma

anyway, is triple 410 ok for Warspite if I'm already using a good firestarter BB like richy?

[elder crane]

You could even try out Triple 381 if you want, should your team almost always win/almost win before 1 min

Though ofc champagne gun better than either

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

is richy even a good fore starter with only 2 mgm?

[frail orbit]

rng you say?
@ionic magnet hooloo still no d30 FDG? How sad that fact is

[ionic magnet]

still 50 BPs away

[coral wren]

[upper sparrow]

No wonder he say he dont want fdg dev30

Also that rank 322

[crude mortar]

my essex just hit 120

[ripe latch]

what sandy doing in meme fleet

[naive dome]

why can't she? She's an american ship in an all-american fleet

[upper sparrow]

Sandy is already a meme so why not

[quartz scaffold]

[mint hornet]

Level up your hiryuu though

[crude mortar]

lmfao

all of them either naked or halfd naked

[karmic forum]

Refit your hiryuu already

[crude mortar]

no coin

too busy trying to get my black dildo

7days left and I still 7/15 my first black dildo

i need to finish 2 black dildo

[elder crane]

@zenith tundra
Yes

1. she sets some fires immediately, probably

typical PvP timescale is ~ 40 s at most for fires to still be relevant. Richi tosses out total of 18 shells. 381 Amagi, for comparison, also tosses out that number, but with much lower base damage since 381 shell damage and 135% vs 180% main gun effs, and lower hitrate in general, especially without Nagato

vs vanguard, the window is probably 20 s at most to be relevant, which ofc favors richi harder

[karmic forum]

Is anyone going to test out torpmemes with naganami?

[elder crane]

That requires leveled Naganami

and people to farm the torp

[vague token]

id rather farm quads

plus, too easy to counter

[shell heron]

not stopping me from getting a set

sounds like a fun torp meme

[vague token]

id rather use ibuki and not lose juneau

xD

[shell heron]

but CN theory crafting have to be t0 right.

[vague token]

[shell heron]

No way this untested comp made on release of the event is only a meme

[vague token]

still waiting for torps that are aimed but you only get like 1-2

[coral wren]

ehh naganami

shit i wanna do that comp but

im annoyed

[obsidian kite]

Then don't

The less people doing the comp

The more i can do it instead

[crude jetty]

Is Nagato only good with Amagi?

or better.. does Nagato need Amagi to be good?

[crude mortar]

1 reset

my cvs choked once

i need vh plate i dont wanna deal with rainbow gun warspite

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

Can you move anymore?

so close to a +1

[crude mortar]

1 push?

[topaz blade]

man im seeing warspite/amagi/nagato backlines all over the place all of a sudden

literally just fought 4 in a row

[shell heron]

you're at +33 from me

[crude mortar]

done

[shell heron]

[karmic forum]

What a good guy

[shell heron]

collusion tactics

[crude mortar]

score donator

[karmic forum]

I found someone using naganami

[crude mortar]

same guy I just met isn't he

[karmic forum]

Oh yeah it is

Aurora seems pretty good against torpmemes though

Just kill them faster

[alpine summit]

no oaths

i find no oath fights really easy....

maybe 6% on one unit isnt much

but 6% on 6 units

[karmic forum]

I know, I just wanted to show what torpmemes vs. torpmemes could look like

[alpine summit]

ill probably get to work on my skunk

besides her, i might have to work on getting my 100 affection hiryuu to 200....

gonna be pretty sad times

wonder how prevalent it will be in EN

though im guessing it will be weaker since there are more noshiros around

[karmic forum]

I haven't gone up against any optimized namaryuus with dev30 azuma yet, but I suspect thats when the fleet will start falling apart

[alpine summit]

my biggest problem with setting up a torp meme fleet

is equipping another set of units

im not lacking in equips, but man do i hate having some good equips idle

its already sad that beaver, FCR, 457, and both my rainbow torps are in pvp

along with 138s and staags

[karmic forum]

Use to be a problem for me but eventually you get enough eq to use elsewhere

Its not like you have to optimize everything in PvE, the content is easy enough

[alpine summit]

feel like i have a ton of these, but even 2 of them to pvp is alot

then nep guns too

[karmic forum]

Staags are the worst though

Since theres no way to obtain them except going back to PR1

[alpine summit]

im not going back to pr1 to get my 6th staag

the vanguard can live without the staag

[karmic forum]

I ended up crafting a few hazemeyers for my PvE ships because all of my staags are in PvP

[alpine summit]

3 staags in pvp, 2 staags for pve

cuz monarch whiffs like hell vs taihou

[ripe latch]

[ripe latch]

[wintry wind]

She good?

[ripe latch]

ofc

but this on #trophy-room

[crude jetty]

I got her too yesterday^^

[sour oasis]

Is there a backline ship with AA-slot instead of aux-gun slot?

[vague token]

no, just torp or recon plane i think

[elder crane]

Technically speaking, ARs but uh, pretty sure that isn't what you're thinking about

[ripe latch]

carry akashi

or maybe he want make def vs triple cv team

[midnight heron]

great now my alt has rainbow gun and main still at 35/50 🖕 rng

[ripe latch]

not u alone with this rng

[shell heron]

time to play on your alt

[midnight heron]

must cleanse dis game of unholy rng

oh nvm i was wrong its 34/50 dats even worse

who shud get rainbow gun tho

[ripe latch]

izumo

[midnight heron]

inb4 none cuz barrage > gun dmg 🤣

[ripe latch]

put kirishima and give her rainbow

[somber axle]

Rough season, I keep getting rekt by meta mirror matches or similar teams but with Warspite + azuma.

[ripe latch]

juneau with sakura torps , what a weird man

[vague token]

someone let me know if they even acknowledge pvp in the stream

xD

[karmic forum]

Good joke

[proper sorrel]

you're asking for too much

[mint hornet]

the most pvp relevant thing was warspite sword rerun

and amagi skin i suppose

[ionic magnet]

its actually amagi skin

[lament lichen]

wait a minute

[hot creek]

its actually amagi alt. New meta: Namagimagi

[ripe latch]

oh shi if they add mammi to perma

[shy hazel]

zzz

azurlane anniv streams are boring as usual

[ripe latch]

now see arknights 1 year stream

this better

[somber axle]

Used all my fights, 30 points behind top guy, feels bad.

Kinda my fault, I lost exactly 3 fights!

All to meta 120 higher level than me lol

[cerulean estuary]

u can quit / leave the pvp battle if u know u will lose , or refresh ur list to fight low power or lvl fleets

[somber axle]

Wasn't paying attention / didn't quit in time. 🤷

Too much of a chore to always pay attention to autofights.

[lusty phoenix]

what are the meta backline pvp fleets?

[elder crane]

Most common is Nagato amagi warkai these days prolly

[somber axle]

Nagato / amagi / Hiyruu or Warspite.

[elder crane]

Nagato Amagi Hiryuu ofc being the traditional setup

[lusty phoenix]

oh boi

[upper sparrow]

Just check tierlist 👏

On pin

[elder crane]

Occasionally there's a few Namagi FdG or Amagi Warkai FdG

[somber axle]

If it's a mirror match and you're not 120 pvp ships, RIP

[elder crane]

I'm biased towards spotting Amagi Warkai Hiryuu, but idk it's actually popular

[upper sparrow]

U rarely meet them on lexington at least

[elder crane]

Warkai HMS type setups are still fairly common even though they're shit

[upper sparrow]

Idk about the tryhard hell avrora tho

[somber axle]

Yea, I haven't really had trouble with any HMS based team.

[elder crane]

Though Warkai Monarch Amagi is fine enough I suppose

Just the other stuff is

[somber axle]

All 3 losses are IJN and / or with warkai.

One being mirror and their Hiyruu killed mine.

[lusty phoenix]

can nagato’s barrage annihilate your fleet?

[somber axle]

Still not sure on final counter timing. 👀

[elder crane]

There's also the occasional Richi team, which ranges from passable to shit on defense at least

Nagato barrage can half-annil vanguard if it hits that

[upper sparrow]

@lusty phoenix if it proc 3 times in a row

[somber axle]

Biggest problem is warkai TBH

[elder crane]

If opposite ship if medium armor, RIP too if vanguard isn't intercepting it

[somber axle]

Snipes my amagi or hiryuu, then I'm 2 vs 3 backline

[elder crane]

0.7 mod on heavy though vs 1.3 mod on med

[upper sparrow]

@somber axle are u using rudder on amagi?

[elder crane]

Heavy armor nosells Nagato barrage

[somber axle]

I guess now is a good time to post my equip.

[upper sparrow]

Amagi can have a good job to evade warkai first snipe

[somber axle]

Hold on

[upper sparrow]

Even enty can too

Her luck stat is high

Equip rudder on her ofc

Kek

[elder crane]

Main thing is to run defensive aux on whatever you're tanking warkai with

[lusty phoenix]

How much Fp needed for a 7k + 7k Divine marks?

[ionic magnet]

just slap your fdg

[elder crane]

Okay

Drop shell

Add rudder

[upper sparrow]

Steam cata, no wonder

[upper sparrow]

Use rudder, ez tanking warkai snipe

[elder crane]

Also same with Hiryuu, drop Cata, add rudder

[upper sparrow]

👏

[somber axle]

I only have 2 rudders btw

Total

[upper sparrow]

F

[elder crane]

RIP your PvE ships then

[somber axle]

Don't tell me to add rudder to everyone. I don't have enough lol

[elder crane]

At least put one on Amagi

[ionic magnet]

1 on amagi 1 on hiryuu

2 is enough

[upper sparrow]

But he just have 2 rudder

[somber axle]

What about frontline?

[elder crane]

Hiryuu has decent base eva so doesn't suffer as much

[upper sparrow]

Rip pve

[somber axle]

They just die??

[upper sparrow]

[elder crane]

Vanguard doesn't use rudder

See guide

[somber axle]

What do they use?

[ionic magnet]

whats your VG anyways

[upper sparrow]

Vg not use rudder on pvp

[elder crane]

Look at the pinned guide

[upper sparrow]

U just use rudder on them in pve

[somber axle]

Belfast / Yuki (not leveled enough) / Juneau

[ionic magnet]

boiler pearl bulge and more boiler

[upper sparrow]

i use rudder on noshiro bcs its a pain to swap equipment tho

[elder crane]

FE on yuki, and what HLV says

[elder crane]

Fire extinguisher on ykkz
And drop toolbox for another boiler

I assume Jun is leading team?

[ionic magnet]

wheres your pearl

[somber axle]

I tried farming arizona

Didn't drop LOL

🤷

[upper sparrow]

Just focused on pve first tbh

Everyone meet newb phase

Or focused to encounter meme fleet

[somber axle]

FE + boiler on Yuki?

[elder crane]

With those levels, focus on getting more lvs, yeah

[ionic magnet]

anyways what blue said

and keep farming for pearl

[somber axle]

Nah, everyone will be 115+ after this event.

[elder crane]

FE+boiler yep

That's the standard setup

[lusty phoenix]

is Neptune good for Pvp?

[somber axle]

I just need pearl to drop. 😢

[elder crane]

Nep's decent, not in top picks anymore though

[upper sparrow]

She is decent

[lusty phoenix]

[somber axle]

Are equip for belfast / juneau okay?

[ionic magnet]

just outclassed by azuma and noshiro

[elder crane]

Still, the better units are hard to get, so if yours is dev25+ already, she's not bad

[somber axle]

This will be my dedicated PVP team, I'll be fine for PvE!

[upper sparrow]

Boiler on bel

[somber axle]

Going to farm 1-2 more quad homing torps

[upper sparrow]

Change the toolbox

With boiler

[somber axle]

Ok

[upper sparrow]

But well toolbox is ok since u still focused on pve map

[elder crane]

Rudder maybe fine asis, but another boiler probably fine too
Or just toolbox

Then put rudder over shell on Amagi

Save last rudder for pve if you want

[somber axle]

Alright thanks.

[elder crane]

Or stick on Hiryuu over cata

[ripe latch]

juneau bel yuki
hwo deal dmg

[elder crane]

Why do you need dmg

[ripe latch]

its save vg and rng if sakura proc

[elder crane]

RNG for own big 7 or lucky BB shots, yeah

Especially since no PR BB secs

At least bel helps vs thier Nagato/Azumas

[somber axle]

Not sure who to put as vanguard without PR or Noshiro

[ripe latch]

sheffi

[elder crane]

Is there a viable black torpaux torpmemes without Noshiro?

I assume you have Jintsuu at least, right?

Or not her yet either

[somber axle]

Nope, didn't farm for her.

I can try getting her if it's worth.

[elder crane]

RIP torp option then

[somber axle]

But no noshiro or ibuki.

[elder crane]

Black torpaux torpmemes doesn't use Ibuki

Noshiro though

That's probably an issue

[ripe latch]

go to pve , get u jintsu and ibuki

[somber axle]

Not with sub 50 ibuki prints!

[elder crane]

Anyways
You could try to run Jint+two best torpunits you have with black torpaux from this event and quad 610s

Though idk

[somber axle]

Don't seem worth it without noshiro.

[elder crane]

Without Noshiro, might not be particularly good

[somber axle]

Seems better to wait 8 months till I can get Azuma.

[ripe latch]

2 weaks

[vague token]

so anything for us from stream, i assume no

[proper sorrel]

nah

[vague token]

[lusty phoenix]

Who should amagi always target with her barrage?

[hot creek]

I put her across Hiryuu usually. But her aiming is random so sometimes she just does what she wants. When she does happen to aim across though and land her barrage, it deals a lot of damage.

[vague token]

(against medium)

cuts in half vs heavy

[ionic magnet]

no patch notes

this is not a 12 hr maint is it

[shell heron]

I want to believe

but if it does last 12hr, I can finally get some normal sleep

[vague token]

i thought you were taking a vacation

[cerulean estuary]

mail notice says its 8hrs

[upper sparrow]

Do helena kai skill actually can synergise with warkai snipe or not?

[shell heron]

1s off

[upper sparrow]

So warkai cant actually one-shot enty on the same level no matter what

[shell heron]

what vacation? I try to relax and become food this season but old habits won't die

[upper sparrow]

Nvm, just some little clown-fest on gph

[frail orbit]

Who tf trust gph

[shell heron]

it got close, if it was 15s proc instead of 16s.

there's a chance she could die in one snipe

[frail orbit]

Yeah

[shell heron]

or weak enough to die by a soft breeze

[frail orbit]

Assuming 1s for snipe animation

[upper sparrow]

@frail orbit mamagi skin announced on anniv stream?

[frail orbit]

Yeah

Mizugi tho

And a rather eroi ones

[upper sparrow]

Need the oath skin

nimi can fck off

[somber axle]

Gotta doll up your pvp fleet.

[frail orbit]

Only for Mamagi tho

[ionic magnet]

no need for oath shes dying anyways

[frail orbit]

Always my personal creed

Hooloo

Could u not trigger some shit on my part?

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

Pls do harakiri

[somber axle]

[shell heron]

now give our pvp MVP a skin

or just put her in a robe. that works too

not like she has another purpose or anything

[frail orbit]

Should've given her the shroud of Turin

[upper sparrow]

@frail orbit is that the silmarillion reference

[plush fable]

who should i aim to dev30 first? azumo or fdg?

[elder crane]

Azuma if going just by PvP usefulness

Azuma is already meta by dev20, which means 20 -> 30 is pure benefit

FdG is only worth using at full dev30 and ideally with 457, since there's so many good backline options
Therefore, only the bit of dev 30 that pushes her slightly higher in usefulness over similar options is actually benefiting your team
And fdg is soft countered by black torpaux torpmemes apparently

[upper sparrow]

Tl;dr u have a lot of choice for t0 backline meanwhile t0 vg is pretty limited

👏

So azuma dev30>fdg dev30

[hot creek]

I dont understand the hype behind black dildo. it barely changes anything. if anything, it makes torp memes worse since your second salvo wont have magnetic properties. the only thing its useful for is the extra accuracy and 5% bonus damage and thats assuming you continue using mag torps so your second salvo isn't gimped.

[plush fable]

thanks for the detailed answer

[elder crane]

Meh, it consistently deletes vanguard and slams main vs teams that don't properly tech vs it apparently, then Hiryuu shenanigans for the final win

[cloud pumice]

But is it full offense torp meme with black + rainbow dildos? I'm still running traditional torp meme, but I'm tempted by that black thing...

[elder crane]

Until I can do some testing myself, the CN/JP testing appears to show that
CN especially I know has at least one vid showing something like 15 matches?

If you go w black dildo on torpmemes, you pretty much have to go all in

As phoenixF says, everything past first launch gets gimped, so that alone has to decide things

I'm trying out mixing it in on lead Noshiro for Noshiro/Aurora/Azuma/Richi/JB/Hiryuu since I actively want to trade out vanguard fast with this team
I was even running oxytorp on her already before, since she doesn't reliably make it to second launch anyways

[cerulean estuary]

im using black torp meme now on defense , u can get data from me

im using CV backlines too as of now

[lament lichen]

The black oxytorp teams were made agaisnt the pr2 drs. cn has like 2 vids but the winrate went from 86% to 78% with torpmemes on offense

[hot creek]

I feel like Aurora is kind of pointless these days. You don't really need the extra accuracy. I'd rather just slot in another crit buffer, if I was doing torp memes. Noshiro/Naganami/Jintsuu. Wouldn't bother with Azuma either.

[lament lichen]

With torp bulge on both azuma and junny

[cerulean estuary]

aurora is also good i think for CV/CVL's backline

[lament lichen]

Its probably just an option for people to use if they dont want to use azuma

Bilibili is a pain on mobile. Ill look if theres an update later

[karmic forum]

From my testing aurora is still useful because you normally only delete one Vanguard with opening torps

The rest need to be dealt with by backline and gunfire

I haven't tested alternatives like ykkz, azuma, or other torpers yet

Ultimately I think this won't work once people start teching against it.

VH bulge Azuma seems like a big hurdle

As Phoenix said if you don't delete Vanguard by second round of torps then you're going to have problems

[sour oasis]

I can't wait for new Juneau skin: her paddling in a ⚰

[naive dome]

aurora goes really well with richie team imo

[elder crane]

The reason why I'm running aurora is that 4/5 of the remaining ships heavily benefit from her

If you're not going Richi/JB, nope
She doesn't even reliably make it to 20 s lol

Azuma I feel like is just straight-up a bad idea to drop unless you fully commit

[naive dome]

azuma is a counter to azuma tbh

[elder crane]

With Aurora present, I'm not fully committed

Nah, I agree w Phoenix that w two torp buffer/torp units already, then better to run a torp unit

Aurora is general benefit though, so I'd rather run Azuma

[karmic forum]

My aurora usually survives opponents Vanguard

I need to test against a real fleet though

[upper sparrow]

Well yeah preload backline comp with aurora sounds interesting

[elder crane]

Yeah, it's basically just vs real flts that she has survivability issues with being able to consistently make it to 20 s
It's why I'm skeptical on Aurora for Richi-Formi setup

[upper sparrow]

Why using formi tho

Too slow 🐌

[lament lichen]

Formi is actually good

Double ryusei

[naive dome]

the important thing is that her ryusei actually lands

[karmic forum]

Maybe running naganami will matter when you're trying to delete a tanky Azuma

Or maybe hard committing to torps will result in two Vanguard going down a lot more consistently

[lament lichen]

From the cn vids you generally get them down to 10% hp

Or you kill them with torps

[karmic forum]

Are they all using naganami or is there an alternative?

[lament lichen]

Just naganami

[karmic forum]

Smh

[lament lichen]

As i stated above the winrate dropped the moment both azuma and junny had torp bulge

[karmic forum]

There aren't enough people with Azuma let alone Azuma w/ torp bulge on EN

So aurora might be jank but I'm not noticing any problems with her right now

[lament lichen]

I dont know what the damagr calcs are if you go with vh torp bulge on azuma

[karmic forum]

Kiro or Zack calculated it earlier

[lament lichen]

But i do believe that heavy do take more from torps

[karmic forum]

Apparently it takes 9 torp crits to take down VH/Bulge+noshiro azuma

[lament lichen]

Hm probably gonna try it when i see that guy with the non oath torpmeme def again

[karmic forum]

If you get me, I can swap in stuff like ykkz or ayanami

Offense buff makes it hard for torp memes to delete things if you have noshiro

My torpmemes Vanguard didn't lose a single ship most times I tested against Gafalrion

[alpine summit]

are you guys already using azuma at dev 20ish?

ive had my azuma past that for a long time, but figured id wait until 30

[upper sparrow]

I use her bcs lvling in pve is pain in the ass

[empty grove]

[sour oasis]

I believe DR ships will reach dev 30 before you finish a rainbow gun. The grind will be all.

[karmic forum]

That depends on what kind of research you take

[frail orbit]

are you guys already using azuma at dev 20ish?
@alpine summit D25 is the magic number for tankiness

Personally didnt use her til that point

[alpine summit]

have her at 100, dev 27

just figured id wait....and didnt expect pr3 so soon

[hot creek]

I finished my first 457 around 15 days before my DRs go to dev 30. And i'll probably finish my second one before fatesim 5

but yes, it depends on what you research you do as well.

[frail orbit]

If u do more coob res than face res

[sour oasis]

Eh, I've been doing 1-4h Q/H research almost exclusively. My FdG is halfway through dev 25 (the one that needs 40 BP) and halfway through twin 457.

[frail orbit]

Or any q res

Then yea

[sour oasis]

It's all so much RNG.

[elder crane]

@naive dome @lament lichen
Heck no
Vs good vanguard setups with speed, Formi doesn't land Ryuus at all
Her stop applies well before she needs it, and with just 1.5 s of activation, it doesn't last long enough for her to land ryuus with any more reliability than a CV without any slows/stops vs vanguards with boilers
In fact, after some testing, I've found that due to how TB drop timings work ever since the CV targeting patch not long after Formi release, Formi window isn't wide enough for ANY CV/L to always land Ryuuseis during the stop
It's basically just useful for supporting BBs since they fire at consistent timing

on the TB drop time, CVs now drop torps a fixed distance from their target - which since vanguards move around, means there's a ~0.9 s variation on when Ryuus will drop torps, which with the ~1 s that the torps need to travel before hitting what they're aiming at, means there's no way to cover the ~1.9 s with just 1.5 s of stop

[lament lichen]

You do know that the point of doulbr ryuusei is for the backline and not the vanguard

Ofc ryuusei isnt going to hit anything when both vg are up

[elder crane]

I meant for

the important thing is that her ryusei actually lands
Which, well, hers don't any more so than any other CV

I ran the numbers on VH/Bulge Azuma+Noshiro, yeah
9 torp with average crit RNG (for the torpmemes team with boosted crit %) to kill offense Azuma
7 for defense Azuma
Compared to ofc half that for non-Noshiro non-bulge VH Azuma
I'd still rather rec just not running VH on her

78% for torpmemes vs torpbulges on, I assume still FdG teams? is quite decent still
I'm more interested in if Hiryuu teams dunk on the torpmemes shit

if it's able to hit general ~78%, that's not bad
considering FdG mirrors are pretty much around there on winrate iirc

[lament lichen]

Its 78% from the last vid i saw from the cn people

Assuming torp bulge is on azuma and junny

[elder crane]

how many matches for that estimate?

[lament lichen]

It was 50ish iirc

[elder crane]

so stdev of 6% on the winrate, approx

[lament lichen]

They auto lose if all three are alive past 10 secs in general

Cuz noshiro just takes over due to speed

[elder crane]

This is vs Jun Azuma Noshiro setup?

[lament lichen]

Azuma jun noshiro

Azuma in thr first spot

[elder crane]

Meh, I'd still rather rec Jun lead, but whatever
78+/-6% is better than I expected, even if main flt is still FdG setups

[lament lichen]

Backline is mirror of nagami and hiryuu

[elder crane]

it's Hiryuu? now that's surprising

[lament lichen]

Sea hornet

Was the fighter of choice this time

[elder crane]

mmmm, I disagree w that setup personally, but ok

For Nagato-Hiryuu mirror, I prefer VF-17/AP-cuda loadout

[lament lichen]

Pve calc said sea hornet does more

[elder crane]

Well, the issue is timing

The Hiryuu launching first has a slight advantage

Hence, I used to run VF-17/APcuda+beacon when I ran Nagato-Hiryuu

[lament lichen]

Oh right the hiryuus are vh ones

[elder crane]

🤦‍♂️

[lament lichen]

Vh beacon

[elder crane]

VH Hiryuu vs torps being in meta

[lament lichen]

Thats what was used

[elder crane]

Meh, I'd think speedier loadout with Rudder or Badge instead of VH works better here
but still, 78% is higher than I was expecting vs that
FdG mirror iirc isn't much higher, and Namaryuu-stall vs FdG comps iirc is lower
I suppose last piece of the puzzle is how well FdG comps on offense do vs torpmemes

I'm hoping at least the old standard setup has issues, so the meta isn't too extremized

Anyways, good to see some of my concerns over torpmemes being validated

[lament lichen]

Its 78 as well agaisnt fdg defense

[elder crane]

was it 50 total tests or what?

now I'm a bit confused

[lament lichen]

50 test per defense

[elder crane]

meh
might as well say "80%" with those error bars

[lament lichen]

Idk about fdg but it says 78% winrate as well on their site

And fdg test was a week ago

[ripe latch]

#pvp message soon

[lament lichen]

Ill find out more on the torpmeme team later when i have time to look

[elder crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/367307557796053002/743068639673974865/IMG_20200812_072914.jpg?width=937&height=538

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367307557796053002/743068639300943952/IMG_20200812_072645.jpg

and this is vs SP Eugen at full ammo

Taihou didn't even get to strike Eugen at all

[frail orbit]

Ssg NEETmeido

[hot creek]

ready to lose 5 charges

oh, nvm. preload up

[ripe latch]

91 6/10

dead server

[crude mortar]

its up bois

[upper sparrow]

Its already 10 minutes ago on lexington tho

[crude mortar]

im in avrora

you know the rule

and so do i

[upper sparrow]

1916 5/10, idk if im doing good or not bcs already miss 3 or 5 attempt

[sterile bluff]

OH MY GOD FINALLY I CAN GET SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

days of getting fucked by enty is finally over

[naive dome]

will warkai disappoint me if I don't have 457?

[lament lichen]

No

[ripe latch]

[lusty phoenix]

warkai one shot JB?

[sterile bobcat]

Is swifty any good in pvp, or is she completely outclassed by sendai/aurora as an accuracy booster

[shell heron]

Never seen a reason to use swiftsure over aurora if you want evasion debuff

Debuff enemy CL/DD just by being there or 10% procc rate on main gun hit

[sterile bobcat]

I just figured that swifty might have a niche since she isn't limited to DD/CLs
especialy since I usually win the vg fight with my Richy/JB preload meme, swifty can still move up to debuff the backline
but yeah I suppose that isnt particularly relevant

[ripe latch]

10.0% chance to decrease that enemy's Evasion Rate by 4% (10%) for 6s
its trash

need using single 150 to triggered debuff

think only noshi swift and +1

[gray adder]

tfw a tryhard player but still didnt get azuma to max devlevel yet

play every day too

[crude mortar]

[sour oasis]

How tryhard were you farming BP?

[crude mortar]

^

azur lane is high skill capped game

you need alot of micro manage ment to get alot obp

of bp

wdym

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

swiftsure too rng, and it doesnt even stack =(

if the debuff stacked over time would be fun

[shell heron]

imagine if it stacks 5 times with refresh on proc

potential for big memes

[vague token]

they need more stacking debuffs in this game

for both modes

[crude mortar]

BURN STACKING

[vague token]

i mean, they already do that though as long as it's from a different type

xD

[gray adder]

How tryhard were you farming BP?
quite hard but apparently not hard enough

also, thoughts on the new black oxy torp?

dont think itll really change the meta much

wanted your inputs tho

[sterile bobcat]

Is there any significant difference in attacking fleet comps and defensive fleet comps? Or should I just use one fleet for both and it doesn't matter much?

[vague token]

defense doesnt matter until later where you're just trying to waste someone's time

[crude mortar]

and filtering nubs

[lament lichen]

in cn theres a new team in testing which is warkai/amagi/howe

atm its 95% winrate with 20 games agaisnt nagato/amagi/hiryuu

says they need to test more

er agaisnt torpmeme

[shell heron]

although I feel warkai alone improves winrate against hiryuu fleets to begin with

[lament lichen]

they did test agaisnt the fdg comp but its only 10 games

[sterile bobcat]

What are the chances that howe can completely replace warkai in pvp?
How does amagi+nagato/fdg+howe sound

[shell heron]

what? none

howe with warkai sure

replace her is very unlikely

[vague token]

we're gonna get to the point where vc armor on a heavy is gonna be helpful

[sterile bobcat]

ah I see, was a bit curious
how about something like full HMS BB, Monarch+warkai+howe

[shell heron]

you're losing far too much pressure for what you're gaining in rld and acc

[vague token]

since people are pushing more frontloaded

and cause of all the hit buffs you cant dodge

xD

too bad we only have 1 copy of each armor

[lament lichen]

so it looks like the warkai/howe comp just kills based on who howe shoots at

[shell heron]

torp meme could be a thing if the new noshiro/naganami/jintsuu comp proves to be consistent

but you're asking for constancy out of torps

[lament lichen]

i think torpmeme would lose its popularity when azuma usage goes down

[vague token]

na, azuma bulge/armor

laugh at torps

just eat like 8 crits

ez

[lament lichen]

cn has the meme triple cv backline lol

but why is it hiryuu/enty/lusty

[vague token]

i think hiryuu/enty/formi should be ok

lusty is just for kicks

[lament lichen]

leander/juny/belfast

although its just one fight

20 matches 65% winrate for warkai/nagato/amagi agaisnt torpmeme defense wat

uh

[sterile bobcat]

wait who's critting who for 10k in pvp?

[lament lichen]

thats a torp on warkai

from jintsuu it looked like

delete nagato in 10 secs

[sterile bluff]

[lament lichen]

fdg/warkai/howe is another team they made

[sterile bluff]

did they update tierlist again?

[lament lichen]

no

still testing

[sterile bluff]

i wonder how would ws monarch howe do

and drake cheshire nep

rule britannia!

time to colonize

[lament lichen]

thats another team they tested

you do noshiro/jun/nep

but then again all these teams are fighting the torpmeme defense

[vague token]

if you're using noshiro there's no reason not to use bulge azuma

xD

[coral wren]

Is it normal to give people below you or am I just unlucky

[vague token]

when you're pushed too far forward

it's high chance of getting people behind you

[coral wren]

But there's a guy with 2000 already

I'm not that high yet

[vague token]

if you've been sandbagging you should be able to hit 2k right now, id probably hit that if i pushed to 0 and didnt drop a match earlier xD

[coral wren]

I've tried my best to sandbag but I had to take a +9 2 or 3 times

[crude mortar]

[alpine summit]

i generally dont have any problems with getting people below me until top 100

you can basically always brainlessly hit left guy until you are in the top 100

[crude mortar]

woah rich people

[alpine summit]

no noshiro skin

gotta commit, it was a good l2d

[shell heron]

not a fan of the booli skin

doesn't flex my pvp fleet enough

[crude mortar]

zzz +1 this reset

[empty grove]

Hiryuu L2D for PVP skin flex when

[crude mortar]

isn't after school bully already good enough?

[vague token]

no bully

[crude mortar]

bully new player with hiryuu

and watch them crying in gph

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

+0 this reset

and I just ran into you on the last match @crude mortar

[karmic forum]

+0 as well but it was expected since maint

[lament lichen]

+2

[empty grove]

This Amagi skin is throwing me off hard

I keep thinking "wtf is this cunt running" until it clicks it's amagi

[elder crane]

I saw a single 150 rec for Swift
Erm.... well....
it's 10% every time one of her main gun shots hit a ship

not every time she fires

[vague token]

better to use a gun with more bullets

[shell heron]

I guess ixa pushed to 0 last reset

[elder crane]

which is much better for PvE, since max bullet rate > fire rate

[shell heron]

would have been an easy +1 if he moved one more

[elder crane]

and is shit for PvP since you need to debuff multiple ships

and PvP enemies actually evade
@ripe latch

[shell heron]

run AP CL gun. Pen the VG to hit more than one target

[vague token]

oh huh, there's actually a french gun with a ton of shots per second and is ap

[shell heron]

[vague token]

triple 152mm

it's blue

weird

[shell heron]

I think I kept one

[vague token]

nepgun is actually terrible at bullets/second

[ionic magnet]

had to wait 6 mins for a +1

[vague token]

apparently

[ionic magnet]

so scary when i saw an eldridge

[elder crane]

don't forget pens

which in PvP, you'll get pens vs vanguard decently often

[crude jetty]

Did someone ever test Nagato Warkai Hyuuga?

[elder crane]

if anything, that might be the best Swifty gun, since it means you spread the debuff rather than just focus on proc on lead unit

Why Hyuuga though

[crude jetty]

Is it better than Nagato warkai Hiryuu?

[elder crane]

Almost certainly not
Hyuuga just doesn't really do enough

[vague token]

oh huh, tbtsk actually puts more shots/second than nepgun

cause it's 2x2

xD

[crude jetty]

I dont have amagi, thats why

[vague token]

wait is the mle triple 152 a shotgun type

[crude jetty]

I feel like Hyuuga is a nice buff for Nagato and ws and also gets buffed from nagato

[elder crane]

You could try running the frenchies+Hiryuu with the torpmemes vanguard

or something of the sort

[karmic forum]

Scores this season seem about 5 points lower than last season

[ripe latch]

and PvP enemies actually evade
@ripe latch
@elder crane

[elder crane]

Howe does the job better though

[karmic forum]

The effects of the loading screen bug

[crude jetty]

dont have french except jb

[elder crane]

Use Howe there then

[ripe latch]

go found degen fleets

[crude jetty]

need to draw howe first <.<

[elder crane]

drop Nagato ideally, but if you want to RNG a bit right now, keep her in

RIP

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

oh i dont have a copy of this gun

does anyone have a triple 152mle

the blue one

xD

[elder crane]

Yukikaze

your vanguard can die so fast if you go full torpmemes
ykkz gets very little value

[ripe latch]

+10

[elder crane]

FdG not dev30

and also in a torpteam

[ripe latch]

🧠

someone used vh on fdg

[karmic forum]

[ripe latch]

w8 when food going to top10

[karmic forum]

What Vanguard would you use with amagi/Howe/WS?

If you don't run another HMS ship then you miss out on Howes FP buff

Unless that doesn't matter

[vague token]

howe is probably just there to buff ws

not for self damage

i assume at least

[karmic forum]

Maybe if QE gets a refit that comp can actually be scary

[elder crane]

While Howe's dmg with WS targeting is important, it's not worth gimping fleet for to get a 12% FP boost

Either you're running 2 HMS vanguard (maaaaybe when Drake gets dev30?) or you're running Monarch/Dork over Amagi/FdG/Hiryuu, which is

[lament lichen]

you can run nep lol

[crude mortar]

here dev30

here we go again bois

[elder crane]

Running Nep over Azuma/ykkz/Noshiro/Jun though

still

Probably just wait for Drake on that, maybe it's worth running Drake/Jun/Azuma

[ripe latch]

maybe back to old meta with indi skin

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

u got patience to 120 indy

[elder crane]

not 120/200 smh, weak flex

[ripe latch]

@elder crane

[crude mortar]

[fathom drift]

Can i get +1 from the most left?

[elder crane]

check their point score

they need to be 35 above you or more

[fathom drift]

Ok

[elder crane]

tap "ladder" and scroll to their rank

[fathom drift]

I know but thanks

[crude mortar]

motherfker

guess i'll rush and sleep

fk this game

yeah yeah before reset 33

now 30

im getting cursed from doing haloist meme

[ripe latch]

?? 3/10

-4

ok

[crude mortar]

healthy sleep

[empty grove]

[vague token]

@elder crane
https://gyazo.com/1d823ba13fd51c6228fd3d801fb5dfac

oh and famine right after

xD

[crude mortar]

are they all dropping match?

[vague token]

[karmic forum]

[alpine summit]

Dropping Is the new cool

[karmic forum]

@empty grove Cutting it pretty close eh?

[alpine summit]

My, hoo is 6th

That is really high for having 5 stacks...

[shell heron]

that sounds right if you lucked the entire early season

[karmic forum]

There was that one season where at this point top 2-10 was basically all sandbaggers

[hot creek]

luck is a skill

[shell heron]

I think that was the season Famine and I was with 4 other sandbaggers in the same score range

arounf 3 off from each other

[karmic forum]

Its fun when everyone is close

[shy hazel]

if luck is a skill

then halo is a nub

[lament lichen]

lol

[alpine summit]

there were a lot of names i recognized

from 2034 to 2027

[karmic forum]

If you've been sandbagging for a while then you'll recognize a lot of the sandbaggers and rushers at this point

[lament lichen]

i dont

i been gone for almost a year

[midnight heron]

i saw dat @shy hazel now u will die

anyway i still dont get y izumo is bad when there's an abundance of wskai users nowadays

[shy hazel]

bcos self burns

[midnight heron]

i can see y it wud seem like a big deal but its just 1 extra tick and in return u get to tank ws barrage and snipes like its nothing lel

[crude mortar]

are you going through all those shit just for a ship that situational a little bit better

like dev30 and fate5

fuck my brain cant translate to english

need lseep

[midnight heron]

its no longer going thru shit since many vet players wud hav her dev 30 or close to it given all these free bp

[crude mortar]

you need to lvling her to 120 too

[midnight heron]

lvl in pvp

[crude mortar]

you think nguyen people have time to lvling to 120 for a little bit good in some situation?

oi

they been busy farming rice

ain't anybody got time for that shit

they dont lvling in pvp so they dont have badluck

[midnight heron]

ic where u're going but even if i used maxed fleets i still get badluck so dat point is invalid

on the contrary ever since i used izumo i can hav bad luck and still clutch a win somehow

lvl 118 dev30 fate0 against namaspite btw lel

[crude mortar]

congratulation you've invented the newest anti warspite technology

im very proud of you

im going to sleep

have a nice day

[midnight heron]

[vague token]

it's time for armor izumo for like 38% ap reduction or w/e

[crude mortar]

it might work cuz everyone using rainbow now instead of 406!!!

[vague token]

kek

[somber axle]

Question, once I 120 my pvp fleet, will I still need many resets against meta teams?

Because having to reset is pretty annoying.

[vague token]

i mean, if your comp is strong you wont have to reset as much

but even stronk comps get a bit of rng

[somber axle]

[lament lichen]

You just reset alot less tbh

I think most of us here with meta fleets rarely reset.

[somber axle]

Hope so, having to do 10+ resets and still somehow losing is annoying.

[hoary saddle]

Is the new torp aux good for pvp or just a meme?

[shell heron]

There's a new torp meme comp with big up front damage.

someone here is testing it eventually

not sure is it consistent yet

[somber axle]

Farm a second torp aux just in case TBH

[shell heron]

If proven consistent. it could be good with faster matches

not denying it's damage but I still see torps fly off the top and bottom of the screen usually

[vague token]

ill deny it, with the power of bulge azuma

xD

[lament lichen]

just go full bulge team

but judging how torpmemes do on defense its unlikely stuff is gonna change much

[shell heron]

it gets the occasional reset out of me

but that's my VG being hungry and eating all 3 waves of torps

[vague token]

[karmic forum]

Oh wow I didn't have to use any resets to push

[alpine summit]

low oaths, but lets see

[alpine summit]

Did 3 fights

1 fight he killed 2 vans instantly, and it was somewhat close with my ykk and wsk left with around 1/4 jp

Other 2 fights he failed to actually kill any van and his van died in under 20 seconds

Idk, probably should of fought a few more times

A torp crit on my backline was at 7.7k and a non crit was 2.2k

[upper sparrow]

Van wh

Oh its vanguard

[hot creek]

bruh. why are you testing against a lvl 104 lul

[alpine summit]

Didn't even noyice

But even that team was able to delete 2 meta vans

[naive dome]

arg my list isn't moving T.T

10/10

[shy hazel]

get a new list

[naive dome]

out of refresh trying to get matched with the 1st guy 😦

[ionic magnet]

your mistake is not trusting your og list

[lament lichen]

i still havent pressed the refresh list button yet

[shell heron]

I used the rest of my refreshes to avoid a -1

[ionic magnet]

lol same

took all 3 refreshes

[empty grove]

This game is trash

[ionic magnet]

my luck hasnt ran out

[shy hazel]

we know fam we know

but we still pvp anyways

[empty grove]

I went afk

[shy hazel]

actually u only

too busy pso2 no time to check for pvp

so i quit it forn ow

[empty grove]

Honestly, I might stop caring about PVP soon

[shy hazel]

let hooloo do the

[empty grove]

Too much shit is annoying me

[shy hazel]

pvp top 1

heh

[ebon kraken]

Is 2608 gonna happen

[empty grove]

No

It wont ever happen

[shy hazel]

doubt

[ionic magnet]

lmao im actually watching leaderboards and cant find you with 30 secs left

[empty grove]

Unless collusion

Yeah

18 seconds

[ionic magnet]

[empty grove]

Makes 4 no bonus now

[lament lichen]

i dont even pay attention to pvp much

[empty grove]

Shit season

I checked PVP once like 14 mins ago

[lament lichen]

idk whos sandbagging

[ebon kraken]

Thinking doing a Chibi Goku may be more viable recently

Doesnt look like pvp gonna change

[ionic magnet]

it wont

im just sandbagging now while i still can

[shell heron]

I don't think Hoo has been getting bonuses recently

still 7 behind him

[ionic magnet]

i got 1 reset with no bonus

then got +2 right after

[shell heron]

[ionic magnet]

others are all +1

well gensui is my bane anyways

never lucky

[shell heron]

ah that's gonna be fun

the season I was tied with famine or super close

my gensui rush was cursed

[ionic magnet]

i remember that one

[shell heron]

I remember ending r2 with like 5 points behind him or something

now it's your turn

[ionic magnet]

[sour oasis]

Sleep through a refresh; plenty of bonuses then.

[empty grove]

Ok

What is the equips for the naganami CN torp meme comp

[lament lichen]

Jinstuu and noishiro is black and rainbow oxy

And that quad torp

Noishiro uses a purple cl gun

Staag

[shell heron]

this thing

[empty grove]

Ok

Lemme level naganami

That shit is more rare than the rainbow

Can't even run two

[shell heron]

fake rainbow

it's not 457 level of slow

[empty grove]

5 STAAG too