pvp

[crude mortar]

+18 +18 +18 +18 +18

[karmic forum]

I wonder how much better hiryuu becomes with the new fighter

[true vale]

To be fair, the only thing that keeps her alive is IJNs abyssmal AA.

FDG survives just as long, and is useful in the process as well. Change my mind.

[vague token]

hiryuu's power comes from 0 vg mode

where you FC into 2 airstrikes cause 15s is like an eternity

[ripe latch]

they want new planes for trash

[vague token]

swapped hiryuu to new fighter, still launches before double cuda formidable

although it's really close

[elder crane]

I'm too busy trying to pull 2 percy
5 Howechama, and one each Hermonie, Eugen
Just give me my Perseus ffs

[vague token]

i already did kek

i need people to try the new plane against X_x

[alpine summit]

did anyone else get a 400mb update on their phone

emu only got like a 90 mb update

[ripe latch]

#tech-support

[fading olive]

Any recommendations for pvp fleet?

[sacred heath]

Richie/Monarch, Enty, Amagi/Bean Jart/Hiryuu + Portland/Sanrui, Ayanami, Yukikaze

[fading olive]

Oh I saw your comment on the other channel, thanks btw

If I have Nagato what do I replace

[sacred heath]

then i'd do nagato + amagi + hiryuu/enty (depending)

[ripe latch]

[fading olive]

Is HE or AP better for BB for pvp?

[ripe latch]

HE to ignite , ap to dmg some bb's(not all)

low lvl ships , if u want pvp - rise around 110-115

[fading olive]

low lvl ships , if u want pvp - rise around 110-115
Wait what do you mean by this

[ripe latch]

u newbie on pvp?

[fading olive]

On pvp meta ye

Only saw 1 outdated vid on it

[ionic magnet]

you can check the pinned TL for meta comps

youre missing key pieces rn but should still be enough for a decent fleet

and raise juneau

[fading olive]

My goal is actually to get merit for bulins 😅

Neeed dock space 😅 😅

[ripe latch]

riche amagi hiryuu
saint juneau yuki

monarch amagi hiryuu
port juneau yuki

using jb bad idea , but still work

just lvl up hiryuu and she do all work with juneau

[fading olive]

Even at dev 20-25 those 2 PR ships can do work?

[ionic magnet]

SL yes monarch no

if monarch is not d30, hood is still better

[ripe latch]

🅱️ enough for monarch

[upper sparrow]

Amagi-richi-warkai is great for deleting vg and sniping backline at the same time isnt it?

[ripe latch]

snipe what
monarch + ws kai + suicide hiryuu planes deal more dmg to backline

[vague token]

rich with 2 cvs is better hybrid focus

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

amagi/rich/ws is a ws focused comp

eg ws does pretty much all the work

[upper sparrow]

Richi-Formi-Centaur?

[vague token]

while the other two debuff

[ionic magnet]

3 BB comps are never good at deleting VG tbh

[ripe latch]

RFC meta

[upper sparrow]

RFC comp lets goo

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/53e804b19ef7de617e06ad961af14d0c

this is fun

xD

[ionic magnet]

faced rich warkai fdg a while back and i never lost VG fight

[ripe latch]

noshi passive not work , gj

[ionic magnet]

backline pressure is crazy tho

[vague token]

nosh passive does work, crit rate ;)

[ripe latch]

imagine using noshi as carry

[vague token]

only carry in this is rich

unless you are losing

in which case hiryuu carries you

usually you dont need it

[upper sparrow]

Just win 4head

[ripe latch]

that comp die after 3 trp salvo

juneau die last

[vague token]

na, juneau dies first against any reasonable bb comp

cause she is last to pivot

unless you get rng'd

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

or against double cv kek

but enemy double cv isnt a problem usually

[alpine summit]

wait a minute, am i really ahead or really behind....does this say you should be at around 911 right now?

[vague token]

i think you're doing fine?

i dropped a match so im at 908

but even if i didnt it'd only be 920

[alpine summit]

i also dropped a match tho

[vague token]

if you dropped only 1 you must have some strong rng

[alpine summit]

ya, i was playing with a friend

and thought i hit attack

but...obviously didnt hit attack

[ionic magnet]

that chart is a bit skewed on a lucky gensui rush

[vague token]

wish i had something to test the new fighter on

no fleets yet

i only know that my timing isnt completely off

[ionic magnet]

but scores on week 1 varies a lot too so

[alpine summit]

sometimes you do get some lucky gensui splits

got +7 on one of them last season

[shell heron]

The gensui rush and final day on that chart was lucky

[ripe latch]

?

[shell heron]

Although if you're anywhere near that before gensui rush points, should be easy aotn bonus

[elder crane]

876
how many matches did I miss?

looks like 4

okay, so didn't miss any more

[ripe latch]

healthy sleep

[elder crane]

[vague token]

sleep is good

accept the casual within

[elder crane]

overslept an afternoon nap, yeah

missed the 3 PM reset

[upper sparrow]

897 without missing an attempt, well im rush all of the attempt before maint

Also healthy sleep>AoTN

[empty grove]

I saw someone running my comp earlier

[upper sparrow]

What comp

[storm jewel]

what is the reason people favor seattle gun for BB instead of Nepgun?

[proper sorrel]

more dps

[storm jewel]

what factor?

[vague token]

1.) ammo type

HE++ hits like a truck on most vgs

2.) the aa padding helps all the bbs

unless it's an eagle bb or something

[sterile bobcat]

This might be a dumb question, but is there any way to get easier/lower rank opponents in pvp?
I dont think my fleet is that good but somehow I already hit top 100 rank and all I see is lv120 namagi+warkai fleets which I cant deal with, and I'm just here to grind merit so

[empty grove]

Refresh & pray to RNG

[sterile bobcat]

I'm already out of refreshes

[vague token]

if you push you're more likely to see those

[sterile bobcat]

So I take it there's no simple way to lower my rank while also winning?

[vague token]

i dont think that's possible

[ionic magnet]

stop going down to 0/10 charges

and you can keep yourself from reaching top ranks for a while

[proper sorrel]

grind merit by getting aotn every season 🧠

[sterile bobcat]

This is my fleet btw, probably not that great
and the game keeps putting me vs top 50 opponents

[ionic magnet]

but yea farming merits and getting easier opponents are conflicting goals

[cinder crater]

Why don't you just get hiryuu or something

[naive dome]

people in the top 100 rank in week 1 are not even the hardcore pvper

[frail orbit]

Anywayy guys
Gotta lost a lot of points btw, sorry for not taking pvp seriously now

My father got hospitalized after treating my lil bro, keks

[shy hazel]

wtf

[frail orbit]

Need to tend him now

[shy hazel]

does your family has corona

[frail orbit]

Nah

Fooken staph infection

[shy hazel]

your family is scary

hospitalized 3 times

[frail orbit]

At least it aint covid

But still
Fooken staph

[naive dome]

all the best, guess it's time to read medical papers ?

[frail orbit]

Pls staph

all the best, guess it's time to read medical papers ?
@naive dome been there, a long time ago as a medic in training

[shy hazel]

at this point it dont even matter if its covid or not its just weird shit

[naive dome]

hmm howe looks like Haachaama

[elder crane]

me, pulling my 5th howechama

[shy hazel]

dunno maybe the artist is the same

[naive dome]

dumb blonde

[frail orbit]

She's Howechama not for nothing

[elder crane]

just gimme perseus ffs

5 howechama
hermonie
Eugen
hood
0 perseus???

[shy hazel]

hooloo calls that

pink formi

[naive dome]

howe's hair color reminds me of Durandal though

totally not because i watched too many lewd durandal mmd

[frail orbit]

Keks bianca moar like Bisco tho

[somber axle]

Is it HMS meta yet at #pvp ?

[shy hazel]

maybe at gameplay hell

here not even

[somber axle]

[shy hazel]

no unit in current event makes hms meta

what

ppl have overexpectations of howe

[frail orbit]

Howe do Howe do smhw

We dont know yet about it

[alpine summit]

surely they are talking about icarus

some good ole torp memes

[shy hazel]

we all know true torp meme is ijn only

[frail orbit]

Shame on u

Real chad would try HMS torpmemes

[shy hazel]

yes

chad in memeing

[frail orbit]

[somber axle]

Is torp aux good for pvp?

[shy hazel]

even kiro doesnt do that

untested

[frail orbit]

At least am saner enuff than Kiro smhw

[shy hazel]

@vague token

go test that new torp

[frail orbit]

Keks

Still betting he's on his comfort zone of WTF anyway

[vague token]

i dont have torp comp, but i dont have any interest for it

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

it has negative synergy with ibuki

[obsidian kite]

I've been torp memeing Always

[shy hazel]

i tot u master memer

[vague token]

so it's like what's the point

[shy hazel]

there u go

the answer is its bad

dont listen to 3c

he dont know real pvp

[obsidian kite]

^

[somber axle]

RIP

[frail orbit]

And who tf hears 3C

[vague token]

like, from design standpoint it's pointless

[frail orbit]

When he's like what

[vague token]

because you are trading all future torps

for 1 set at the start

[obsidian kite]

Lots of people apperently

[frail orbit]

A mofo 3 timer

[shy hazel]

god knows

[frail orbit]

[shy hazel]

ppl here saying

"hey 3c say torpmeme is meta"

"is it true"

ofc not duh

[obsidian kite]

No

[shy hazel]

the guy doesnt even pvp

[obsidian kite]

XD

[upper sparrow]

3c

[frail orbit]

2020 and still on 3C

[obsidian kite]

Dude plays AK

More than AL now

[vague token]

like even if you think about the math

it's still bad

[frail orbit]

Been like that

Since Honkek days

[shy hazel]

its bad already on 2 fronts

[vague token]

if you go from quad 533 to quad 610

it's what

[shy hazel]

skill mechanic, skill math

then u add bad synergy

whats the point of the new torp aux

[vague token]

~40% damage boost

but then you give up 100% damage on the 2nd torp

so you're net damage is -60%

[obsidian kite]

Dude Recommended Norshiro, Jintsuu Naganami

[somber axle]

Ah right, it doesn't boost both sets for Ibuki.

[vague token]

unless your torp comp is dying before 2nd torp 100% of the time

[somber axle]

No point farming it then.

[vague token]

even for non-ibuki

ykkz will make it to 2nd torp

[shy hazel]

hes literally

[vague token]

noshiro will hit 2nd torp

the only torps that dont hit 2nd torp are double oxy jintsuu

[shy hazel]

telling u to put all your pvp pretorp barrage

[vague token]

but double oxy is bad anyways

[shy hazel]

and reset if its bad

torpmeme reset bait

as usual

[vague token]

hecc, it's probably ok to just eat the torps

then blow up an oxy comp

with rich

[frail orbit]

LMAO

[vague token]

at least you give up 0 damage with rich

no gun penalty like jb

good barrage

strong stat line

[frail orbit]

Imagine nugget + torpmeme resets

Been comfortable w/ Wamagi FDG n WFC

[shy hazel]

now lets talk about howe

[frail orbit]

And muh Ahjumma

[shy hazel]

nvm

we alrdy talked about howe

[vague token]

howe has niche as support for OTHER bbs

[shy hazel]

just 10 hours ago

[vague token]

xD

so she's fine

[frail orbit]

Still

[obsidian kite]

I don't wanna talk about Howe

[frail orbit]

Her sniping logic kinda bonked tho

[obsidian kite]

Because Warspite exist

[shy hazel]

oye wtf

[frail orbit]

[shy hazel]

@empty grove

wtf happened to u

i saw u rush reset

[empty grove]

[vague token]

now if that torp could be on subs that would be nice but that isnt relevant to us so

xD

[empty grove]

I was playing something else

[lament lichen]

dude naganami and them are for pve not pvp lol

[vague token]

R I P

[empty grove]

& 3 minutes till isn't rushing

[elder crane]

Literally how you mess up torpmemes:
Torp bulge+ Noshiro = torp dmg is halved

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

Done

[shy hazel]

ask 3c for saying naganami is pvp meta

zulul

[frail orbit]

Hmmmmm

[obsidian kite]

Who uses bulge in pvp?

[frail orbit]

So wall basically now azuma noshi nanoda?

[vague token]

i was using bulge with juneau lead

[elder crane]

Most use one torpbulge on lead vanguard

[vague token]

but now i use juneau last so

[frail orbit]

But no juneau guarantee tho

[vague token]

no need

[obsidian kite]

I never see a bulge

Maybe i should use one

[elder crane]

Yeah, anything that threatens vanguard just lolz at torpmemes

[empty grove]

I use bulge on juneau if I can put pearl on someone else

[vague token]

need that boiler slot

[empty grove]

Which doesn't happen in my comp

[elder crane]

Richi is like
Nice vanguard you got there
Can do massive dmg randomly
Would be a shame if it just immediately evaporated

[empty grove]

[vague token]

the more oxy you run

the more vulnerable to rich you are

xD

[obsidian kite]

Like

[vague token]

gotta pay the boiler tax

[obsidian kite]

Imagine not having speed

[empty grove]

Yes

So no bulge

[obsidian kite]

She's squishy

But

I got her to launch 2 waves

[frail orbit]

Mid keks

[vague token]

if you get to 2 waves, the new torp aux is pointless

nuff said

[obsidian kite]

Im not even using it lol

[empty grove]

The black dildo was mag for first launch right

[vague token]

yeah

which is why it's basically

[empty grove]

So is it sakura quad meme for torp meme now

[vague token]

gain 40-45% damage

going from 145 quad mag to 206 quad

but lose 100% from the 2nd shot

so

not worth

[obsidian kite]

But if torps miss it doesn't matter

[vague token]

unless you ultra luck

[shy hazel]

its literally

put all eggs in first pre torp basket

[empty grove]

Tbh

[obsidian kite]

If VG doesn't die reset

[empty grove]

I wouldn't run torp meme without Ibuki

[frail orbit]

Also

Why tf

[shy hazel]

the guy dump ibuki for naganami

[frail orbit]

Using black dildo

I meant

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

oh, sorry

[frail orbit]

Its not like u gotta get 2nd wave launched at mag

[vague token]

there is ONE use

[empty grove]

I mean

[vague token]

torp daily

my bad

[empty grove]

Naganami would do better than Ykkz

[vague token]

there's literally 1 use for it

[obsidian kite]

Dude

My Ayanami one shots that thing

[empty grove]

In the Noshi/Ibuki/Ykkz comp

[frail orbit]

Well yeah

[obsidian kite]

Not useful

[vague token]

now you'll overshot it

by like

999%

xD

[frail orbit]

Thing is

Its torpmeme

So why not just makes it a single shot of doom

Amirite fam?

[empty grove]

[frail orbit]

Enemy jun tho

[empty grove]

I like consistency

[frail orbit]

[empty grove]

& missing one salvo is death

[lament lichen]

i feel like fdg is overrated in pvp

[empty grove]

Using defence aux on a torp meme can still keep them up long enough that it's viable

[shy hazel]

[frail orbit]

i feel like fdg is overrated in pvp
@lament lichen been there

For 2 weeks ago

[empty grove]

I feel like non 457 is overrated

[obsidian kite]

Why would she be overrated?

[frail orbit]

Like what

Hiryuu way better

[shy hazel]

personally hiryuu kai = fdg

[frail orbit]

For tank shit

[shy hazel]

feels the same to me

lol

[frail orbit]

^

[lament lichen]

like fgd barrage doesnt do much

[empty grove]

I like her barrage for one thing

[lament lichen]

doesnt even hit the person across

[empty grove]

It's good for cockroach cleanup

[frail orbit]

^

Also

Not that shitty on proc

[lament lichen]

like im fighting this rumia guy

[frail orbit]

Compared to fooken Nugget

40% so

[shy hazel]

u shouldve fought fams meme fleet

[somber axle]

Nugget 😂

[lament lichen]

his fdg goes down before amagi lol

[empty grove]

I like that fleet

[shy hazel]

rich fdg warkai

[empty grove]

It's fun to use

[shy hazel]

was it warkai again

[obsidian kite]

If it's not dev 30 don't bother tbh

[empty grove]

He;s probably running double radar on richie

His is

[vague token]

i run double sg rich

[lament lichen]

rumia is dev 30

[empty grove]

I can ask what he's running

I know who that is

[shy hazel]

tell him to come here

so we can diss him

[lament lichen]

like his azuma dies in the firs 15 secs for some reason

[empty grove]

Armour Azuma overrated

Change my mind

[shy hazel]

[empty grove]

Also I didn't really like WS/FDG/Amagi

It felt slow af

[shy hazel]

cos fdg dmg is unreliable

[empty grove]

& amagi just misses

[shy hazel]

proves that nagato barrage or hiryuu planes still fastest pvp meme

[obsidian kite]

EN just sucks

[shy hazel]

we need nagato barrage that has 70% proc

[obsidian kite]

So you win with any fleet you want

[empty grove]

Ye GL against a proper comp

Unless you define winning as resetting 5 times

[lament lichen]

Just win 4head

[shy hazel]

[hot creek]

[naive dome]

i haven't faced 6 star fdg yet, but 5 star fdg comp is easy win for me most of the time

im more anxious against warspite nagato hiryuu/amagi comp

[lament lichen]

Idk dev30 fdg seems the same

[empty grove]

Hiryuu/amagi is literally a gamble on if hiryuu has armour or not

[vague token]

5 star fdg is missing a 50% potential damage boost

6 star is incredibly important

[shell heron]

still very tanky

fought hoo's and she refuse to get deleted by warspite

[somber axle]

After this event, everyone for my pvp fleet will be leveled except maybe Hiryuu.

Can finally aim for top 10!

[frail orbit]

Depends on her shit

W/ pr rudder then yes

W/ 2sg then basically so offense

Personally I put my 2nd HPFCR

[fading olive]

Is there somewhere I can see what pvp equips I should use? Or do I use the same equips from pve guides 🤔

Would like to know the recommended main gun & aux equip for: amagi/ sanrui/ Yuki 🤔 🤔

[somber axle]

Pinned

[lament lichen]

normally it just the aux that are different

[ripe latch]

enty and ayaya

actual pvp tier list not updated

[empty grove]

Btw

That FDG was running HPFCR/SG

[alpine summit]

if we did do fdg, amagi, wsk

who gets the 457

guessing we do fdg top, amagi mid, and wsk bottom to snipe fdg and wsk

[mint hornet]

War Kai

[hot creek]

FDG and WS get the 457

If you only have one, its probably better on WS though

[upper sparrow]

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

nice odin meme

WhErE Is My KMS MeTa

[ripe latch]

food meta

[shell heron]

but have you seen the DPS on Odin. She has to be broken in PvP right

[whole terrace]

@crude mortar was my def fleet monkaS or EZ Clap

[crude mortar]

no reset

so idk

[whole terrace]

[shy hazel]

holy crap

perseus is worse than i thought

i thought its only the airstrike after the preloaded one that will get the =90% reload penalty

but it turns out its all airstrikes

disgusting

preload plane pvp meme is dead

dead at release

[ripe latch]

457

+10

[shy hazel]

[naive dome]

how do you know people have 457?

[zenith tundra]

fleet power

457 has 200 more fleet power over gold guns. u can also check dmg in fight

but tbh the fleet power of that is really low. maxed should be around 16.1k with 457

[honest cypress]

is anti-torpedo bulge good in pvp

[zenith tundra]

if u need the torpedo damage reduction sure

[crude mortar]

just use jun tank and kill their whole vg before their 2nd torp wave

[coral wren]

the fleet power is low cuz fdg dev?

[ripe latch]

kill enemy trp vg with personal trp vg + anti-torpedo

[midnight heron]

ppl be meming on izumo but shes a gud tank against wskai

[crude mortar]

thx for the haloist compilation part2 content

[ripe latch]

ws kai with ap gun

put HE

on ws kai

shoot at izumo

enjoy when izumo burning youself and die

[frail orbit]

@ripe latch inb4 using Howe to go against Izumoan

Howe would Howe fare tho

[upper sparrow]

izumo need flag position for her barrage, but if u want izumo to tank warkai she cant be on flag

[karmic forum]

FDG misses a lot even with maximum hit

Maybe I should just switch to defensive setup

[ripe latch]

maximum hit fdg

57%

[naive dome]

when I sandbag down to 7/10, should I get to 5/10 and hope to catch late rushers, or continue waiting ?

[frail orbit]

Just do late 15 minutes

[karmic forum]

I tend to wait

[frail orbit]

If u wanna sandbag

Depends on ur acc as well

U capable against namaryuu no reset, then last 15 minutes da wae

Either namaryuu or fdg amagi wakai

Or fdg amagi hiryuu

[ripe latch]

[naive dome]

hmm i sleep much earlier than last 15 minutes, so guess i'll get to 5/10 and see if im lucky

[midnight heron]

if it works idc if i get memed

[ripe latch]

basic food comp

[dry agate]

I wish queen got a retro

so is this new aux gonna be new pvp meta or is it still just a meme

[hoary saddle]

^ I have same question

[karmic forum]

You're not going to use it on anything except torpmemes

And I'm not convinced that torpmemes will suddenly be better than the tried and true meta vanguard

[shy hazel]

we should pin here

that the new aux gear doesnt unmeme torpmeme

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

did they flip the damage chart for pvp (and i guess pve)

the main is on top now

[mild spear]

oh does nagato use hood gun?

[ripe latch]

other guns trash

[mild spear]

crap i gotta change it then

[ripe latch]

[mild spear]

what do you equip on noshiro?

[vague token]

im using pearl/boiler

[elder crane]

Yeah, damage chart has been reordered

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460647532079349760/740600037100486726/EeqQWjIUEAAZ-HN.png?width=380&height=538

"Enhanced the display order in the battle results screen" under "system optimization"

[past egret]

https://youtu.be/brwv26wcGCY
This looks pretty fun to try out

[crude mortar]

does black dildo reduce first torp speed and change to mag or just add mag effect without reducing speed

[elder crane]

sets to magtorp speed and range

[crude mortar]

200 base dmg vs 150ish magnet base dmg

[elder crane]

One thing I'm not quite understanding
9k+ torp crits

[crude mortar]

cuz

sakuya torp had higher base dmg

affacting more torp stat

[elder crane]

well, look

[crude mortar]

ofc it hit hard

[elder crane]

200(base)*1.3(mod vs heavy)*15(for 1400 torp stat)*2 (crit mod) = 7.8k

I don't think crit boost or torp stat is actually that high

sure, slap a +5% for black torpstick too

doesn't really change it much

something seems wrong

oh

I forgot effs

looool

nvm

[karmic forum]

1047

This is definitely a season

[crude mortar]

I rush 2nd day cuz I dont know I should rush or bag cuz I need healthy sleep but here I am

[ripe latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/714018235850293289/Desktop_Screenshot_2020.05.24_-_10.32.37.29.png
sakura

[karmic forum]

Tfw I'm not even 10 ahead of Erika

[crude mortar]

I rush 2nd day

then bag again

inner conflict

[elder crane]

ah, yeah

1.65(effs)*(100+(689+45)(base stats)*1.4(buffs))/100*208*1.8(crit)*1.3(heavy mod)=9k

also, hmm

maybe I've been mislead

[crude mortar]

black dildo?

[elder crane]

I was told it didn't keep 610 mm range

[crude mortar]

@zenith tundra we need some expert here

[elder crane]

but the vid clearly lands torps from too far back, pretty sure

yeah, the torps seem to go on forever

[crude mortar]

is torp meme back

HARAM

[elder crane]

torps he launches from before vanguard fight is over reach beyond enemy main

still, his vanguard seems much more sturdy than when I run that shit

Double torpstick Jint/Noshiro eats big 7 and doesn't die?

wut, is this no-SG Nagato or something?

Well, worth a shot now

too many reports of it to not try it out

[crude mortar]

but why shigure

edge lord

[elder crane]

meh
stronger torper than ykkz I suppose, and heals vanguard
with how fast vanguard dies, not like heal on main is useful, or the Dred for main in particular either

[ripe latch]

when u played meme trp until it become mainstream

[karmic forum]

Ok fine I'll oath Noshiro

[elder crane]

Time to slot Noshiro if torpmemes gets popular, yep

screw your torps, I have 50% dred vs torps

Does make for a healthier meta though, probably
less hyperfocus on shelling vs shelling

very much no more VH Azuma pls

[vague token]

wait, are they just suiciding 1 set of torps and skipping wave 2?

cause is it really worth a 45-50% boost for losing huge hit rate on wave 2?

[karmic forum]

Did I just step back a year in time?

[crude mortar]

simp

[karmic forum]

Ignoring that, is Vysaga sandbagging again?

[crude mortar]

is this eatable?

or need to wait more

[ionic magnet]

that's a wait

[crude mortar]

👌

[ionic magnet]

black dildos eh

cant wait for my 30s matches

[crude mortar]

why

[ionic magnet]

cos VGs die in 15 secs

esp if youre using rich

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

@vague token yep
Suicide vanguard setup

[vague token]

oh ok

if you only get 1 i suppose it's fine

[elder crane]

Esp since torps have been a joke for so long that ppl have stopped properly defending vs torps
Apparently 610 black dildo means you consistently nuke Jun/Azuma or a main fleet unit (or both)?

[vague token]

also probably assumes that you dont get rich'd back

[elder crane]

Just slap in a Noshiro though and

[vague token]

since you have less boiler

[elder crane]

Also that

[vague token]

like, i will gladly sacrifice 100% of azuma's hp

to just nuke all 3 of the torp vg

into oblivion

that's worth

[lament lichen]

azuma is worth tanking all the torps tbh

but offtank may die in the process

[elder crane]

Just lead w torpbulge jun

[vague token]

and if it is really that bad i can always bulge azuma

[elder crane]

Just lead w torpbulge jun

[vague token]

na, juneau off tank has been working better for me lately

[elder crane]

Heals up Azuma

[lament lichen]

honestly if i see torps i just meme with them

[elder crane]

Can always swap position

Anyways
Enough ppl have mentioned it that I'll try it out
But meh

[vague token]

i still think it isnt worth it

compared to getting 2 torps

and using survival gear

[elder crane]

In this one the most hilarious was
His vanguard literally shrugged off Nagato proc

Which is?????

Noshiro/Jint double dildo didn't get vaped by Nagato barrage?

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

probably no sg

[elder crane]

Yeah

[vague token]

double shell nagato

blind

[elder crane]

So

[ionic magnet]

must be haloist

[elder crane]

The defense comp is highly suspect

[crude mortar]

this nguyen guy is the opposite of haloist

[upper sparrow]

Double shell nagato

[crude mortar]

this guy move and stop moving

[vague token]

just a little tease

[midnight heron]

oh so now u guys see evidence of the bs i hav to go thru

[crude mortar]

[midnight heron]

[crude mortar]

this guy dont move

sad

wtf

lmfao

[empty grove]

Full dead reset huh

Well, more event focus now

[vague token]

only 1 person moved for me this reset

rip

[karmic forum]

I have a feeling that the loading screen bug might be the reason why not many people are moving

[crude mortar]

[naive dome]

when you're at 7/10 and sandbagging, the people you get are likely to be 5/10 rushers tbh

[upper sparrow]

5/10 isnt doing rush

Just light sandbagging

Like me

[crude mortar]

but im under average cuz my 2nd day I was rushing

[upper sparrow]

[crude mortar]

[naive dome]

@upper sparrow a newb rushers will stop at 5/10 because going to 0/10 increase his chance of getting unbeatable fleet

i was a newb rushers until 2 months ago

namaryuu was a nightmare and going past 5/10 give me too many of them

[lament lichen]

Oh i found the bilibili vid of the torp comp agaisnt azuma and friends

[upper sparrow]

How can someone be a newb rusher tho 🤔

Newbie sandbagger is normal, but everyone can be a rusher

[karmic forum]

Probably people who can't beat 120 meta fleets

Those people are eventually going to drop out at some point

[somber axle]

I can't beat 120 meta.

😡

[karmic forum]

Anyone who joined late was in your position at some point

[crude mortar]

you can beat most of 120 meta if you have ngato or warspite

[coral wren]

If I attack that first guy will I still get a +10?

No more resets unfortunately

[alpine summit]

you can look up what his score is

and compare it to yours

and the answer is almost certainly no

[coral wren]

Mine is 1172 and his 1165

[alpine summit]

you need him to be +35

for 11

[coral wren]

So should I just keep that attack?

[alpine summit]

depends on your goals

but seeing you are at 1/10

you are likely not going to get anyone who is a massive score above you

oh shoot you are at 18

you gonna get a 9 from him

[coral wren]

So that would put me at #2

Dk if it's worth it

[alpine summit]

middle season scores never matter

the only times it matters is when you can get 2200

that is when you want to get on after reset ASAP

and be the first person to get above 2200 and be in top 10

then the rest of the season you just take wins if you dont care about final placement

[crude mortar]

ono rusher

[coral wren]

[alpine summit]

honestly, if you dont about final placements

all you have to do is win all your fights and not take 9s like that fight above

and rush one of the resets

and you will get top 10

[coral wren]

Ok I'll just keep it

Thanks

[alpine summit]

if you care about placement

then disregard, and probably look into a pvp guide

[coral wren]

I kinda care

First season I do

[alpine summit]

if you just win all of your fights without 9s/ lower fights

you will place top 100 probably

[upper sparrow]

Missing 3 attempt bcs too busy on grinding event map

[alpine summit]

i suggest mentoring under @mint hornet since he won last season to learn all his techs

and make sure you ask him tons of questions right before a reset

preferably the final season reset

[mint hornet]

my techs include tempting the boomer pvp players with good nights of sleep and living on west coast USA

but yea, sandbagging will make cracking top 10/ 2200 points easier

which is basically letting the people on your list do their pvp matches first, so that when you fight them you get bonus points

[upper sparrow]

How much bp needed from fs4 to fs5?

Oof wrong channel

[alpine summit]

65 i believe

[upper sparrow]

Thx btw

[mint hornet]

np, check out the tier list in the pins for equipment and raise juneau if you haven't already

[shell heron]

one thing that's always true. if your opponent's rank is lower than yours

[coral wren]

sandbagging is annoying whenever people won't move

[shell heron]

it's a guaranteed negative bonus

[upper sparrow]

sandbagging is annoying whenever people won't move

Welcome to the club

[shell heron]

on the other hand 35 points up don't guarantee a +1

weird things happen with rounding

[upper sparrow]

🍝

[alpine summit]

i hoenstly dont get how they mess that up

[coral wren]

if I can't sandbag should I reset or just attack the highest person?

[alpine summit]

like....all the points are whole numbers

35 is always 35...and 70 is always 70.....

how do they round whole numbers

[mint hornet]

if you don't feel like waiting longer, then yea reset and see if your new list moves

[shell heron]

I'm beginning to think it was never whole numbers to begin with. But I don't know the coding

[naive dome]

If you can't sandbag just attack anyone at your rank or higher, lower rank will give you +9

[shy hazel]

mentoring

what

ppl learn to sandbag by doing it

and by losing sleep

[blazing scroll]

Sleep is for the weak

[coral wren]

Sleep is for a healthy body

[naive dome]

the strong sleep 10 hours a day

[ripe latch]

2h

[crude mortar]

2h thats alot

[ripe latch]

[sour oasis]

Just wake up for research, sleep 22h.

[shell heron]

All according to plan. Mentor the new generation the ways of sandbagging, and the season they pass out. The old vets come back

[ripe latch]

good news for peco

[empty grove]

Needs to put her glasses on

[ripe latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/687791538453086286.gif?v=1

[lament lichen]

Dead seasion

[vague token]

looks like ws missed some shots

[somber axle]

Hello fight club, haven't lost a fight yet. But barely getting +1s. Hope I can touch top 10.

[midnight heron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/i5d58u/cn_new_potential_pvp_meta_composition/ 😮

rip ykkz

[vague token]

im still not sold on black torp

arent these comps just gonna get memed on when they push into hiryuu

double vg wipe

into hiryuu fc fun times

[somber axle]

How many black torps?

I might farm after I finish getting quad homings

[ripe latch]

torp bulge

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/687791538453086286.gif?v=1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/687791538453086286.gif?v=1

[somber axle]

Thanks

[vague token]

team Dies To Richelieu

[buoyant parrot]

hahaha I was right

[midnight heron]

d1 farm lel

[somber axle]

Couldn't see the full picture for some reason.

[buoyant parrot]

ttaht could be META

see?!!

[vague token]

you can easily sacrifice azuma to that

[midnight heron]

its only tentative for now tho

[vague token]

and win

[ripe latch]

someone stole kiro brain and post this

[vague token]

it's trading too much damage later

[somber axle]

Only need to farm 1

That's not too bad

[buoyant parrot]

I am currently using that line up remove the skunk girl

[vague token]

and 0 boilers

[ripe latch]

12 torps

0 boilers

[vague token]

this would work back in 100 era of suicide comp

[ripe latch]

where ayaya

not enough of this comps

[vague token]

ayaya isnt worth

those other ones are all boosters

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

you improve the entire vg effectiveness

[buoyant parrot]

but yeah I agree with what Blue said. This only works best for Defense not Offense

because the range of torp when you are attacking

[vague token]

also you're more likely to live

on offense

with the extra dr

so then you're just wasting torps into the water

[ripe latch]

juneau with double oxy have more potential

[buoyant parrot]

exactly

[karmic forum]

If naganami actually becomes meta

[vague token]

i dont think this will be a good team, especially since it's so counterable by Noshiro existing

xD

[buoyant parrot]

I have the skunk girl at lv 70 and not oathed so I'm using Nanoda as replacement for the meantime

[ripe latch]

@crude mortar XD

[vague token]

like, wow, you kill azuma

[karmic forum]

I will be slightly inconvenienced because I don't have her

[vague token]

now all 3 vg gets wiped

xD

[midnight heron]

its never so simple tho

[vague token]

this will only murder casuals

who are already murdered by the usual

[midnight heron]

i'll just see when ppl actually try it out

[karmic forum]

Either way noshiro stock should go up

[somber axle]

No noshiro, rerun when?

[crude mortar]

what

[ripe latch]

make new hms comp

:bucl

ez way

double rainbow gun

[buoyant parrot]

welp I'm gonna give these new torp meme a go once im done with the event

[midnight heron]

also the fact dat ykkz got ousted

[vague token]

or just run algerie kek

[karmic forum]

The HMS comp looks suspect

Especially on EN where two 457 is not a thing

[vague token]

litt/algerie

0 damage taken from torps

xD

[ripe latch]

12 trp to algerie

smart

they put her as tank

juneau on middle

[crude mortar]

is skunk girl that good?

[vague token]

skunk is another crit booster torp

[buoyant parrot]

she helps boost torp crit

[somber axle]

French defense meta

[vague token]

which is important for jintsuu

[karmic forum]

Shes probably the best option for full torp memes now

[ripe latch]

meme

no hp

no speed

any bb can shoot this

2-3 🅱️ from riche

[vague token]

if anything id just sacrifice azuma's thicc hp

and then you win

because they lose all damage potential after first shot

armor/bulge azuma time

[ripe latch]

double bulge

[vague token]

doesnt work though

[ripe latch]

any degen put x2

[vague token]

xD

pvp will become even less casual friendly though

unless your comp is optimized, that will roll over most whatever style offenses

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

like really fast

at least with stall vg you lose slow

xD

[karmic forum]

You can tell whether you need to reset against torp comps by the first preload

[elder crane]

Interesting
Looks mostly like FdG loses out here due to match tempo

[vague token]

hiryuu is better vs this kind of thing yeah

go fast into FC no vg fun times

[elder crane]

It's vanguard fast trade, and then Hiryuu carries vs triple BB/C main more or less

Well, one more reason to not bother w FdG
And run Noshiro over ykkz

[vague token]

kgv might be a good option for hms

to early trade

[karmic forum]

I'm not convinced that FDG is better than hiryuu on defense

[vague token]

hiryuu is better in triple torp squad

[elder crane]

It is for stall vs stall type setups

[vague token]

because you're rushing

into 2x mode

fdg is better in a general sense

cause thicc

[karmic forum]

I agree with the assessment that hiryuu does well in a fast meta

[elder crane]

FdG has time to do work, hiryuu FC matters less in a grindy matchup

[karmic forum]

Vanguard's die fast and hiryuu FC is pretty much always up

[elder crane]

Thicc and murders shit if you give her time

If you don't, well
Just thicc, and not particularly so vs planes too

[karmic forum]

I hope the meta is shifted by this but still a bit doubtful

[whole terrace]

I think it's worth trying

[karmic forum]

Namagi comps probably make small adjustments and will snuff out torpmemes

[whole terrace]

I don't like naganami at all though

as a character

[elder crane]

I think meta will shift somewhat away from FdG, and maaaaaybe more Noshiro over ykkz

[whole terrace]

🤮

[vague token]

i dont like any frontloaded meta

i hated suicide

it's why i skipped to hiryuu pre-retro

[karmic forum]

Akaga best meta

[elder crane]

I just want to run Bulge Jun lead w Noshiro and lol at torps

[karmic forum]

Matches are over so fast

[vague token]

hiryuu denies rush comp so hard

[whole terrace]

I'm not really a fan either kiro but could be fun trying something different

[karmic forum]

You can win consistently on offense with a fast setup

[elder crane]

Only way to rush is w warkai or own Hiryuu

[vague token]

back in the 110 days i ran hiryuu no-retro with amagi/hood or amagi/bb

xD

[elder crane]

And neither help w rushing

So

[vague token]

there's one more solution

[karmic forum]

FDG also can't deal with hiryuu that effectively on offense

[vague token]

rich will make quick work of 0 boiler

0 hp

0 evasion

xD

[karmic forum]

It's why WS will still be relevant

[vague token]

also kgv potentially for hms purists

[whole terrace]

Torpmemes + namaryuu doesn't work well for me at all on offense btw, still

[elder crane]

Quick, shill my team

[vague token]

ive been a rich shill since the beginning

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

so ok

[elder crane]

Do you mean worse than meta or just not work at all

Cause if second, that's on you

[karmic forum]

Vanguard positioning makes torps less effective on offense

[ripe latch]

any vg without 1 boiler - haram

[karmic forum]

Can't reach backline as easily

[vague token]

torp offense doesnt work

[whole terrace]

Much worse than meta

[vague token]

from a design point

aka torps dont reach

[crude mortar]

black torp!!

[elder crane]

A good semitorpmemes was already okayish on offense
It's worse, but still does okay

[vague token]

there's 0 reason to bother with torps on offense unless you enjoy gambling

[crude mortar]

african american torp

[karmic forum]

They do reach according to that torpmemes video

[elder crane]

610s with black dildo do reach main fleet

[vague token]

yes, for 1 launch

[elder crane]

They go well past main even

[vague token]

and then after that

if you live

you get no hits