pvp

[shy hazel]

cos the client youll download will also be the latest

so its a spiral of trap

[ionic magnet]

nani

nice coding then

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

ok i wont touch it

not like its needed

[vague token]

🍝

[ionic magnet]

[empty grove]

[shy hazel]

they said its already fixed in gamenews

but well

might as well wait until they make it mandatory

[ripe latch]

@past egret w8 you on top10

[ionic magnet]

yea that guy up there still got bugged

[ripe latch]

imagine if his phone will survive before maint

[shy hazel]

12hr maint

[upper sparrow]

Oh i just realised bunch of ppl getting error on apps, thats explain why nobody rush on my list

[shy hazel]

i remember before i quit they rarely had 12hr maints for 3 months

now its back to 12 hr maints

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

means something happened to their spaghetti coding team

[upper sparrow]

Pvp on vacatin

[shy hazel]

[ripe latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/735829208273518704.gif?v=1

[upper sparrow]

Just
Give
Me
Apologems

[ripe latch]

u free 50

or 3k oil

[shy hazel]

i think cay and hooloo still competing

pvp still alive

question is fam

[upper sparrow]

Just on avrora

[shy hazel]

pvp doesnt exist outside avrora

[karmic forum]

We have plenty of new sandbaggers now

[shell heron]

last season was pretty crazy with all those 2600+

[ripe latch]

oh shi they farm odin to pvp

[shell heron]

but no 2608

plebs

[karmic forum]

Even with quaranteen boost its gonna be hard to reach scores that high again

Although they did open avrora again to new players

[shy hazel]

2 scenarios that can make 2608 possible

either spaghetti coding or tons of competing players

[upper sparrow]

Pvp rollback ♿

[shell heron]

or luccsacc the start, gensui rush, and final day

[karmic forum]

Or PvP rehaul

[vague token]

pvp rework

cay what are you at, did rng kill you?

[shy hazel]

they never rollbacked pvp

bugged them on all times they messed it up

its beyond their coding skills

[shell heron]

Scores only got leveled once

[shy hazel]

yea that did happen iirc

everyone restarted at like what

700?

[vague token]

oh the hard reset

[shy hazel]

the scores ended up almost the same

[ripe latch]

824 they wake up

821..

828 on avrora

[shell heron]

Oh kiro. Im at 696

[vague token]

you're ahead of me unless you're at 9/10

but i doubt it

[karmic forum]

I don't remember the season where that happened

Might have been one of the seasons where no one got EoS scores

[shell heron]

It was either DST 1 or 2

[karmic forum]

I only have one DST incident recorded

[shy hazel]

3 instances for me

[karmic forum]

Which was the one where the start was messed up and they gave everyone 75 pts

[shy hazel]

dst 1 dst 2 dst 2.5

i complained in all incidents to reset and rollback pvp

dst2 was the time they scraped off scores

[shell heron]

Rolling back game state to before maintenance is too hard

[shy hazel]

dst 2.5 was the everyone adjusted

they never fixed pvp in dst 1

[karmic forum]

Was DST 1 in 2018?

[shy hazel]

thats why dst 2 happened

ye

[karmic forum]

Oh this channel didn't even exist back then

[shy hazel]

they stopped timesavings after dst 2

but dst2.5 happened

because of server coding problems iirc

gave ppl unlimited charges

[shell heron]

You mean microlayer

[karmic forum]

Microlayer was an entirely different beast

It's also the season that I wish I got top 100 EoS the most

[shell heron]

That was a trainwreck we all saw coming

[karmic forum]

Yeah we saw it coming

Because the previous patch had problems

And was delayed a lot

And somehow devs thought that if servers almost died to a mini-event, a major event would be fine

[shell heron]

Even before then. The servers were unstable.

[shy hazel]

oh

was that the time almost everyone lost a round

oh i alrdy quit that time

bremerton event

[karmic forum]

Everyone lost two rounds I think

[ripe latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/687791538453086286.gif?v=1

[karmic forum]

Except those that managed to get over 300 pts by abusing rollbacks

[shy hazel]

al coding got better and maint got shorter for sometime

now its going back to the stone age

[karmic forum]

https://imgur.com/PDluTBV

[shell heron]

Everyone lost 2 rounds if they were able to log in and do their matches

[karmic forum]

Case in point

[shell heron]

I lost 3 that season

[shy hazel]

[karmic forum]

I went to 0/10 in preparation for 12hr maint

But little did I know that I was still unprepared

[shell heron]

I heard it's another 12hr coming up

who's risking it this time

[karmic forum]

Meh

First day of the event is uneventful anyways

I'll just stick to sandbagging

Although I'll probably be distracted by the event

So going to 0/10 won't hurt

If any of you get me on your list I can push

[naive dome]

but they say this one is 8 hour

[vague token]

no mechanics or ui

so probably not a problem

[karmic forum]

You should never trust pre-maint notes

Although maints have been generally stable since microlayer

Not a single time where you would have lost ticks

[shell heron]

it's been better now

but still don't trust them

[ripe latch]

834...

[crude mortar]

[alpine summit]

well, i already missed 1

so i think ill just go to 0/10

[rocky shadow]

Don't give up quickly, there is still 10 days more

[alpine summit]

so, while pvping tonight

i killed a kaga early into the fight

and....the icon for kaga kept coming back alive

kept happening 3 times

[empty grove]

Working as intended

[vague token]

🍝

[shell heron]

Kaga has new hidden skill

she can revive 3 times per fight

better Hiryuu

[upper sparrow]

Kaga kai skill leaked

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

FGO comp almost completed

[crude mortar]

FGO?

HARAM

[frail orbit]

FGO who?

Either FDG or Formi based team?

[crude mortar]

formiddable gascogne oklahoma?

[upper sparrow]

Inb4 georgia

[crude mortar]

FORMIDDABLE GEORGIA!

[upper sparrow]

graf zep

[crude mortar]

it oklahoma for sure

cuz only main ship name start with o is oklahoma

[frail orbit]

[somber axle]

840 used all my fights since maintenance.

[lament lichen]

Hope dst happens again

[proper sorrel]

i want hololive rerun

[shy hazel]

[empty grove]

Hmm

@karmic forum I swear to god

[vague token]

oh i think i forgot a match

xD

[crude mortar]

did you make it

[vague token]

no

[somber axle]

Btw, I'm guessing they screwed up the game. Can't even load a fight for PVP on mobile.

Can somehow do it on emulator.

Maybe maintenance will fix it.

[shell heron]

well then

[rocky shadow]

Yep me too

The loading stuck at 97-99%

I try on emulator and same result

[somber axle]

Works on bluestack

Not sure about other emulators.

[rocky shadow]

Hmm my bluestack not working

Not only pvp but for every battle that require loading screen

[somber axle]

Settings if that helps.

Though I'm not sure what the real issue is if it's not loading fights. Haven't had a problem on emulator and I did 10 fights in a row.

[rocky shadow]

Nah i think is the game

Maybe bug

[vague token]

rip pvp, time for rework or deletion xD

[rocky shadow]

@vague token you get stuck too?

[vague token]

na i just forgot

was playing with buddies

[shy hazel]

the problem is the latest version in gplay

its bugged

if u didnt update still safe

[somber axle]

RIP

[shy hazel]

its not mandatory

[somber axle]

Mine is auto update.

Will they fix?

[shy hazel]

rip u

dunno

gotta wait for potatodevs to fix spaghetti code

[somber axle]

I don't think the compensation is enough if I can't even load maps. 😂

[shy hazel]

the best time to fix it is now on maint

o who knows

iirc this is en error only

go spam bug reports to reiterate bug

then ask in gamefeedback for better compensation

[somber axle]

Hmm

If I can't even do fights, that means can't do new event either.

Let alone PVP

[royal oyster]

reinstalling the game from scratch fixes it, or wait for the patch to see if it makes it better

[somber axle]

Oh, reinstalling fixes it? I'll try that.

[rocky shadow]

Isnt reinstall during maintance bad idea?

[upper sparrow]

@rocky shadow ask #tech-support for safety reason

[somber axle]

Probably better to wait and see if they will fix.

If so, won't have to reinstall.

[upper sparrow]

Tbh i dont even know what will happen if someone delete/uninstall the apps during maintenance so

[somber axle]

I assume nothing if you binded your account.

[upper sparrow]

Yeah should ask to tech-support dude for that

[ripe latch]

#pvp its #gameplay-tech-help-2

[crude mortar]

no

its #pvp-will-help-everything-but-will-get-warning-later

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

u free nimi

[shy hazel]

gphell will always be better

unqualified people teaching you untested things

[crude mortar]

[crude jetty]

my day off and they are doing maintenance for 8hours.....

[karmic forum]

@empty grove

[crude mortar]

wrong ch

fuck

[karmic forum]

I didn't even know that I had auto update on so I got screwed by the bug anyways

[shy hazel]

good

pvp forced holiday for u

blame devs

[zenith tundra]

what bug is that?

[shy hazel]

u dl new version u stuck 99% loading screen

[karmic forum]

There was a non-mandatory update that broke some sprites and certain game modes

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

why am i not surprised

[karmic forum]

Btw Zack, what's the best defense fleet with FDG iyo?

[shy hazel]

potato devs with spaghetti codes as usual

[zenith tundra]

any t0 comp with her works

if u want stall memes u can do amagi suruga fdg too

but it's stall only

[karmic forum]

Suruga better at stalling than hiryuu?

[zenith tundra]

idk hiryuu on sides won't really stall. u could try something like hiryuu mid with fdg and someone else on the sides but idk if it works at all, never seen a comp like that

hiryuu cannot really tank ws for long. even with final counter her stalling potential is not that high

[karmic forum]

Yeah I'd like to run Amagi+hiryuu but they both need VH armor

[zenith tundra]

i've been stalled by amagi suruga comps almost consistently to 1min but tbh namagi fdg does the same job and can actually win

[crude mortar]

[upper sparrow]

Amagi suruga enty def comp lets fking goooo

Too bad there is no one active person here can test that fleet beside haloist

[zenith tundra]

why even bother with enty? i haven't seen 1 ever last more then 30s

and 30s is being generous

[upper sparrow]

@zenith tundra but haloist cursed by rng anyway

So why not

No offense for ya halo

[shy hazel]

halo slowly and surely becoming a meme

[elder crane]

Once warkai gets to use 457, enty disappears before 20 s

For sure with 2nd reload at 33-34 s

[crude mortar]

isn't haloi already a meme

[rocky shadow]

Is 457 good for pve too?

[elder crane]

When you want an AP gun for whatever reason, yes

Or if it's on Massa/Musecan

Note that you might still want triples for timing reasons

Especially for massa

Arguably, for that reason, the PR3 triple 406 AP is better

[zenith tundra]

why do triple have better timings?

[elder crane]

For PvE, lots of stuff is ~20s timer

Either directly or effectively

E.g. Dork since she wants triples usually, CV/L like Formi and centaur, obviously Helena

[zenith tundra]

i don't think specific comps should be the cannon for guns. what if i don't use any of those anyway?

[elder crane]

Massa especially will hit nothing vs a boss that moves at all without a slow effect to support her
And with 457, the option is sorta limited to Monarch, especially on auto

You only want BBAP vs bosses for the most part anyways

[naive dome]

can 457 be acquired in pr3 ?

[elder crane]

And boss fleet more often than not will have timing-dependent synergies imo

Nope

[zenith tundra]

if u don't use helena formie or cv slow (not needed for example) why use a worse gun?

[elder crane]

If this optimization matters, you probably should be using a booster at least

And slow is useful more often than it's not

It's not anything close to "always" better ofc

Hence "arguably"

Depends what you consider to be the more likely scenario

[shy hazel]

dont bother in pr3 rn if u want pvp

[zenith tundra]

i still haven't really used bb ap outside of fdg solo. i don't really feel like u actually need it anyway

[shy hazel]

if ppl prove drake to be useful maybe

but pr2 still gives way more than pr3 when its pvp talk rn

[zenith tundra]

hpfcr is useful enough tho

[shy hazel]

what

[elder crane]

PR2 basically mostly azuma

[shy hazel]

pr2 has some useful guns

and u didnt even equip my hpfcr zack

[elder crane]

PR1 is more important equip-wise imo since staag

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

457>hpfcr>staag imo if we consider best of each season

[elder crane]

DrH not necessary for PvP
So it's just seattlegun and the worse staag,. Haze

Tbf 457, but that's going to take forever

[shy hazel]

dont forget the rudders

that they gave away in some side event

[elder crane]

Rudders are in all

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

rudders are everywhere

[shy hazel]

they shouldnt at least given away staags in side event

pr1 is already what

[zenith tundra]

they are almost useless for old people too

[shy hazel]

2 years old

[elder crane]

Yeah, I have, I think, 14 rudders?

2 of them unbuilt

[shy hazel]

i dont even count cos i farmed it in the side event

maybe i have 2-3 more than u

they need to give us more

staags

non pr research way

actually when u tell them about it theyll tell u to buy the pr weapon bps

in core shop

which is dumb anyways

cos u can buy much better things

[zenith tundra]

all proto shop is pretty useless once u are done with pr2

staag would actually be a good thing to have there

[shy hazel]

should take half a year before they put pr3

have you tried buying the pr1 weapon bp there

is that random or selection

[zenith tundra]

can't wait to quit al and they finally make it better because i don't play it anymore

[elder crane]

Selection ofc
Otherwise would be super pepega

[zenith tundra]

yeah no point if it's random

[shy hazel]

i never bothered to try so god knows

what they need to put there imo

is dr weapon bp

for 457

[elder crane]

1/ month, okay

[shy hazel]

doubt

[elder crane]

That's the rate on dr gen prints

[shy hazel]

5pcs of bps every month

[elder crane]

10/month w 513 needed

[shy hazel]

so u need 10 months of buying to complete it

[zenith tundra]

u can get 10/513 dr bps per month so 1/50 sound just like that

[shy hazel]

whats even the point of putting it there if they will

[zenith tundra]

4 years for 1 extra gun

[shy hazel]

pr system itself is bad game design anyways

[elder crane]

The whole thing is meant to be a resource sink for long term players

cats do it better anyways

[shy hazel]

it doesnt even scrape that much resources longterm

if it scrapes something

its just time

[elder crane]

Sorry, I can't hear you behind all the cubes I'm carrying to dev30 PRs in 2 months

And drs in 4 months

[shy hazel]

im almost done anyways

and thats with medium cube spending

and 100% completion

if not for casablanca

zack memed me with a trade ship

[elder crane]

Almost done both Azuma and fdg?
Well, tbf, it's been what, 7 month? 8?

[zenith tundra]

how close are u to finish pr3 xp grind anyway?

[shy hazel]

im done with 4

[elder crane]

I finished 1 mil on 3/5

[shy hazel]

pr2 has only been here for 6 months

[zenith tundra]

nope

[elder crane]

EN got it in December lol

[zenith tundra]

since halfway december

[shy hazel]

so 7

[elder crane]

7.5 months now

[shy hazel]

or what

its not that bad

got a feature thats been in jp for 1 and a half year

it failed to be that longterm sink theyre expecting it to be

[elder crane]

Sorry, I can't hear you behind all the cubes I'm carrying to dev30 PRs in 2 months and DRs in 4

• cn f2p players with too much banked res

[zenith tundra]

without dr fate i'd take short pr2 over long

[shy hazel]

dr will make u realize its pointless to do focused pr ship bp research anyways

they just accumulate to 600 for no reason

makes me wonder why pr3 doesnt have a 2nd dr

[elder crane]

Anyways，cats the real endless res sink

PR3 was defs rushed imo

[zenith tundra]

proto core was supposed to mitigate that but not really doing a good job at it

[shy hazel]

cats depends on pve players

it dont rly matter that much to me so i just buy the daily ones

[naive dome]

cn players get more cubes or something ?

[zenith tundra]

i haven't wasted 1 coin to buy 1 cat box tbh.

[elder crane]

The problem w protoshop is, how to make useful for newer players without bejng too good for vets w over 2k excess prints

[shy hazel]

they should just make a newbie only shop

[elder crane]

CN players have had same content but over a yr longer of game release to gain resources

[zenith tundra]

the fact they they never added staag to it is a meme tbh

[elder crane]

Imagine you had one year just to bank res

That's the situation CN vets are in

[naive dome]

ah so they have a year of accumulated content drought

[shy hazel]

pretty much true for jp too

[zenith tundra]

al has no new content anyway

[shy hazel]

its just reskinned events

[elder crane]

JP vets has had half a year, which is bad enough

[shy hazel]

game needs new gamemode

new feature

they devnotes takes a year before its realized

when did they announce guild content again

[zenith tundra]

cn anniversary

[elder crane]

Do you mean recently, or before that?

[shy hazel]

way before that even

they have been promising guild content over a year ago

[elder crane]

Cause they always promised guilds would be more ever since they were added

[shy hazel]

it just solodified by that cn anniv

but then its still sand right now

[elder crane]

CN anni is first time we got any details at all, yeah

[shy hazel]

i dont think al coding is even that complicated

for them not to develop a new game mode for a year or two

or maybe it is complicated cos 🍝

[elder crane]

Meh
They really need to sit down at some point and pay off most of their technical debt

It's getting silly at this point

Every patch breaks something, oftentimes something that broke before and was "fixed"

Every fix causes more problems, sometimes more severe than what they tried to fix in first place

[shy hazel]

al global earned 20 us dollars

from that list

20million

[elder crane]

Based off what datamines look like, literally adding in anything is 10x more complicated than it should be

[shy hazel]

thats still big

wonder where they bother to spend that money other than developing

lol

[zenith tundra]

skins

[elder crane]

The game needs a ground-up restructuring if you plan on being able to release temp new game modes every so often

And it seems that their revenue stream is pretty much just "more art"

[shy hazel]

i doubt they even pay artists that big

highest they can give by industry standard in japanese yen

is about 2k dollars per artwork

not even close to that 20m

[elder crane]

How many ships+skins get released in a yr?

[shy hazel]

lets say theres event per month

[elder crane]

Probably, ~100 or so?

[shy hazel]

11-12 events

average 5 ships per event

100-110

and then artist fee is shared across 3 servers

al earns way bigger than 20m dollars

so

arts dont cost that much

[elder crane]

And is their main revenue stream

So, well
That pretty much explains everything?

[shy hazel]

we need new pvp game mode

their expenses is way smaller than their revenues

totally mobage business

[elder crane]

I'm still salty EN never got the OC PvP mode

And just got a generic EX instead

[shy hazel]

its basically lol

ye ex mode

select one fleet and defeat as much as possible pvp system

looked fun

healships would actually be a thing

maybe

[elder crane]

From what I hear, OC PvP was actually scuffed af

But better than a forgettable ex

[shy hazel]

its basically

a normal map

your opponents just becomes the bosses

lol

[elder crane]

Yeah, and manualing vs player ship stats is just

[shy hazel]

i dont remember the issue about it anymore anyways

iirc cn had riot about it

and mass quit

so they replaced it

[elder crane]

PvE bosses have 800k HP
Player ships don't break 8k
And iirc it basically didn't have mm

So uh

Imagine manualing vs a series of defense fleets

When half of them are just meme

Basically just slot machine at that point

[safe meteor]

black torp aux gonna be useful for pvp?

[elder crane]

Nope

[safe meteor]

ok

so just3c lied?

[elder crane]

Any torp unit that is worth running w oxytorp gets off min 2 launches

Either you run mags
And then black oxy is just worse
Or your second launch isn't mags, which is

black oxy btw overwrites both torp speed and range

[safe meteor]

maybe any setup that is better than running like quad homing?

[elder crane]

Though, I hear something about Naganami being the new torpmemer
Maybe her 10 s launch gets the mag effect or something?

[safe meteor]

im working on Naganami, lvl 100 now max skills

[elder crane]

Oh, possibly better than quad homing if you currently run that with an oxytorp

[safe meteor]

might be on hold, since we got 3 new ships to try out

Howe, i wonder if she gonna be pvp relevant?

[elder crane]

Meh
I don't see how Naganami doesn't suffer from same issues as Aya
At worst, it'll make people use Noshiro more

[safe meteor]

Naganami buffing your other torp users as well

[elder crane]

Howe, relevant ish but doesn't affect meta

That isn't the issue

The issue is lol standard dd just dies

Especially if you run torpstick

[safe meteor]

but can there be like a T0.5 or T1 ish for Howe?

i dont think everyone has like dev30 FdG

[elder crane]

Warkai-howe Amagi might be interesting

Or something on those lines

[safe meteor]

yea

[elder crane]

Possibly monarch, but personally I don't see it
Monarch isn't best option now, and +12% FP on Howe I don't see changing that

[safe meteor]

KGV not useful anymore?

[elder crane]

No 4 HMS lol

[safe meteor]

i used her a lot early

i see

[elder crane]

Maaaybe once drake comes online?

[safe meteor]

dont think Drake can compete with Azuma, can she?

[elder crane]

Why not both

[safe meteor]

instead of?

[shy hazel]

just3c

[safe meteor]

drop Juneau or Yuki?

[elder crane]

I think she competes w ykkz probably

[shy hazel]

just3c doesnt even pvp

i wouldnt trust him when it comes to pvp

he isnt even in the top 200 ranks

every season end

[safe meteor]

ok

i think he juggling 3 games now?

[elder crane]

i wouldnt trust him when it comes to pvp

(jkjk...or...)

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

would howe really do much more then monarch with amagi ws? seems like a stretch to me tbh

[shy hazel]

hey give credit to the guy for teaching newbs

acceptable strats

[safe meteor]

he does have a lot of understanding of game mechanics

[elder crane]

Howe is more consistent than monarch, maybe?

[safe meteor]

but Howe, those buffs from that barrage seems so good

[zenith tundra]

consistent at hitting random target with barrage?

[safe meteor]

20% acc and reload for my BB? i would like that

[shy hazel]

zack have u tried raising howe now

[elder crane]

She'll bring acc buff to warkai guns and 140% eff own guns

[shy hazel]

i wont really speak something someone hasnt personlly tested

[zenith tundra]

nope. level 80

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Also some of amagi salvos

[shy hazel]

pvp wise

[safe meteor]

how is Warkai FdG and Howe maybe?

[elder crane]

Tbh I have strong doubts

[shy hazel]

ppl has expectations for howe

[zenith tundra]

i don't plan on playing much more after i'm done with pr3 grind tbh.

[shy hazel]

current meta i dont think she matters that much

[elder crane]

But it's probably worth a shot

[safe meteor]

more acc and reload for them

[shy hazel]

reload dont rly matter now

it doesnt add much

acc is the shit

that ppl is looking out for

[safe meteor]

everyone is using evasion so much

i just love using acc aux on my ships, so then i look at Howe +20% acc

[shy hazel]

the thing is

u wasting that 3rd slot for just hit and above average barrage

[safe meteor]

and FdG has low acc as well, wonder if that mixes

[shy hazel]

well need to test

[zenith tundra]

i mean nagato buffs acc. without a cd related and even ijn vg acc... and not like ws really needs that acc boost anyway

[safe meteor]

is Howe really that much worse performance ?

Nagato Amagi Warkai?

[shy hazel]

ask here after a week

and we will know

[elder crane]

On the other hand
Nagato if she doesn't barrage is just worse howe, kinda?

[safe meteor]

i think i prefer consistency ?

[elder crane]

I'm thinking Amagi flag?

[shy hazel]

if i want consistency

[safe meteor]

if you can win with Howe, and lose if Nagato didnt proc?

[shy hazel]

id rather use rich

lol

[zenith tundra]

it's not like howe barrage is that amazing

[safe meteor]

the buff looks nice

[elder crane]

Yeah, the issue is, if nag doesn't proc, team is a bit weak

[safe meteor]

Howe gives guaranteed buff

[elder crane]

And howe = always like Nagato that doesn't proc

[safe meteor]

almost no rng right?

except for the random barrage targetting

[zenith tundra]

then why give up amagi and azuma buffs for ws acc buff?

[elder crane]

She's very rng in that she's shelling focused

And aiming is rng outside of warkai

[safe meteor]

what team is best with Nagato Amagi?

Warkai?

[shy hazel]

yes or hiryuu or fdg

[safe meteor]

does that work better than other combinations?

[shy hazel]

should be

[safe meteor]

FdG, Amagi Warkai for example

[shy hazel]

or u can also dump nagato

for wskai fdg amagi

[safe meteor]

i dont really like using Nagato and gamble a 40%

[shy hazel]

any tier 0 is interchangable

[safe meteor]

i see

[shy hazel]

the only non negotiable rn is the vanguard

and amagi is non negotiable

[elder crane]

Weeeel

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Amagi kinda is fixed too

[safe meteor]

is Vanguard slightly negotiable?

we got like 4 good VG?

[shy hazel]

not a bit

[safe meteor]

Noshiro kicked out?

[zenith tundra]

if we put howe and nagato same dps tier then let's compare their buffs instead.
20% acc 10% fp to amagi (8s 1st cd btw) and azuma (yukikaze too but whatever)
vs 20% acc to ws

[shy hazel]

jun ykkz azuma

who else

nosh is for torp memery

[safe meteor]

isnt Noshiro tanking well ?

[shy hazel]

or unless u dont have azuma at dev25

[safe meteor]

and preventing others from using torp meme

[shy hazel]

noshi is acceptable

[elder crane]

Noshiro is vs torp memery too

[safe meteor]

my Azuma dev 25 dies pretty fast from torps though

[elder crane]

Overall, not as good as the holy trinity tho

[shy hazel]

are you doing something wrong

[safe meteor]

not sure

[shy hazel]

torp memes can kill u fast from time to time

[safe meteor]

i have Azuma with the golden washing machine and the gear that increase spd + acc

[shy hazel]

but it shouldnt be consistent

id say even rare

[elder crane]

Where and what are you running on her?

[safe meteor]

Yuki with the boiler fire surpressor

[elder crane]

Also torpmemes just die anyways usually

So no issue

[zenith tundra]

noshiro tankiness goes down a lot the more luck and hit opponents have. pvp opponents have a lot more hit then pve ship do so she is nowhere close broken here

[safe meteor]

and Juneau, boiler tear

but does add torp synergy?

[elder crane]

She's like 90% of ykkz levels on eHP

[shy hazel]

@ionic magnet

[safe meteor]

i see

[shy hazel]

where is that clown hooloo

[elder crane]

Which is good, but not broken like in PvE

[safe meteor]

i had a lot of succes with Noshiro

been testing Azuma for around 1 week or so now

since i didnt have dev25 yet

[elder crane]

Anwyays
If you see torpmemes
Just lead with Juneau imo

[glad trail]

So what ppl saying about just3cs statement that torp memes is top pvp meta now?

[safe meteor]

is Nagato the problem?

i didnt use Nagato with Azuma

[shy hazel]

torp memes was never meta

[elder crane]

Let Jun get nuked, kill their VG in return, then win

[safe meteor]

but that doesnt really change the tanking right?

[shy hazel]

and never will be

[safe meteor]

wasnt torp meme meta a while back?

[elder crane]

I remain unconvinced
And esp not for offense

[shy hazel]

unless your meta is resetting everytime your torpmemery fails

[safe meteor]

before PR2

[shy hazel]

thats last year

[elder crane]

Torps were in top meta early 2019

[safe meteor]

so it was meta before on some point

only early?

[shy hazel]

and torp meme has been dead since ykkz came

[safe meteor]

oh really

[elder crane]

Before Nagato for en

[safe meteor]

i thought Yuki helped torp team a bit

and Nagato as well?

[elder crane]

Until late 2018 for CN JP

[shy hazel]

while ykkz torp dmg is good

[elder crane]

Since Amagi

[shy hazel]

her main purpose is the survivability

not torping

[safe meteor]

Jintsuu kai, Juneau, Yuki count as torp team?

[glad trail]

how is an hms fleet like: monarch howe QE juneau ykk belfast?

[safe meteor]

or replace Juneau for like Ayanami kai?

[shy hazel]

if u want to torp meme

nosh jintsu

ibuki

any DD other than ykkz in pvp rn

[safe meteor]

i dont think QE even works well for HMS and you need Dido too

[shy hazel]

is trash

[zenith tundra]

amakaga meta would use torp vg but that was mostly at level 100. the higher the level cap the less viable torp became

[shy hazel]

wtf is 3c even saying

[elder crane]

Iirc, was like, Jint Sendai/aya Juneau vanguard for en then?
Suicide vanguard for WaSDA/Amagi-hiryuu

[shy hazel]

[glad trail]

ic, so QE isnt for pvp hms fleet?

[elder crane]

Amkaga meta was bel vanguard anwyays, for the mirror

Torps was second tier

[safe meteor]

i see

[shy hazel]

no one uses qe now

[safe meteor]

but QE is so bad

[shy hazel]

if u want hms fleets its just

warkai with 2 hms cv/ls

[safe meteor]

the HMS quality is too much nowadays

[shy hazel]

thinking about it

[safe meteor]

we getting Howe, we already got Warkai, 2 good CV/L HMS, Monarch, i think QE doesnt give enough vs those all

[elder crane]

Also wasda and Hiryuu Amagi was good back during lv100 Amkaga already

[shy hazel]

i wonder if hms will be meta if they gave qe the nagato treatment

[elder crane]

Just neither worked on defense until lv110, so ppl didn't pick them up

[shy hazel]

[glad trail]

so is howe any good or no for pvp?

[safe meteor]

Dido was a start, but i think QE prob needs a retrofit

i think Howe gonna be at least pvp relevant

[elder crane]

Probably no, but maybe worth a shot

[safe meteor]

definitely worth a shot

[karmic forum]

You're not going to be running dido in PvP anyways

[safe meteor]

i mean not T0, but maybe just T0.5 or something

[elder crane]

Torpmemes might have a properly annoying def comp now though

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

she is gonna be relevant for hms teams that unfortunately aren't really relevant themselves

[shy hazel]

anyways ill go back to playing better game ciao

[elder crane]

With 610 black torpstick Naganami, apparently

[glad trail]

well im getting her up anyways cuz i dont have warspite so she's good for pve, thought might try make use of her for pvp too

[elder crane]

Takes place of aya

[karmic forum]

Tfw I don't even have naganami

[safe meteor]

be sure to use 3x BB/BC with Howe

in pvp at least

[shy hazel]

what server is 3c playing at

jp?

has he even personally tested his new torp memery

[glad trail]

no idea

[safe meteor]

he does a lot of fine tuning with Formidable in pve

[shy hazel]

torpmemes are just resetbait since torp era ended

well have to see tat

[whole terrace]

pretty sure just3c is avrora

[shy hazel]

tuning formi isnt that hard

i just dont trust 3c when it comes to pvp

when i dont see him doing good results

every season

[whole terrace]

He rushes near the start sometimes. I saw him this season. He always has that armpit meme fleet as his defense

[elder crane]

Also fleet tech and cats means formi tuning isn't universal

It'll be different for everyone

Also oath diffs too

[shy hazel]

id say if u want to ask about hms

u ask blue or hooloo

heh

[elder crane]

Hooloo mostly if you ask about BB HMS

[shy hazel]

hooloo uses cv extensively on offense too

so u can ask about forni centy

[whole terrace]

are you set on hms? did u miss amagi and richelieu? @glad trail

[shy hazel]

guy had no choice but to use hms anyways

lol

[glad trail]

nono, im not set on hms

i have richy

not amagi

im trying to find a pvp fleet that works well tho, im open to anything. current fleet im going for from what ppl here recommended: nagato hiryuu richy juneau ykk belfast

[elder crane]

oh lol, 2 weeks late, but I see no one mentioning it, sooo

[whole terrace]

pausechamp

[glad trail]

but idk i dislike not getting flagship with richy T.T still good tho

but since im just lvling stuff im looking for alternatives if anything else i could build would be better

[elder crane]

https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv6857886

tl;dr the hand animation fix still has bugs, it doesn't fix really extreme collisions, and also this time making some units have slightly higher DpS than expected?

[glad trail]

@whole terrace anything u think i should do different with the new ships from this event/the gear? idk tbh, im still learning the pvp meta after coming back fron long break

im just sad cuz no amagi and my pr2 is rip

[elder crane]

So apparently, for example
if you stack sufficient reload stat on Kita
her gun DpS is 0.5% higher than the result from a simple theoretical calculation

[whole terrace]

that team sounds alright tbh @glad trail
belfast might feel lackluster compared to something like azuma. are you going for pr2?

[zenith tundra]

[glad trail]

no currently not going for pr2, im just too behind, im instead focusing my effort on pr3

to get champagne+odin and eventually drake. idk if drake will be worth in pvp but im doing that mostly for pve. Im not focusing solely on pvp, i wanna rank in pve too ^^

[whole terrace]

anything u think i should do different with the new ships from this event/the gear
you need help with gear?

[glad trail]

i got top 10 in challenge mode this week so thats cool

hmm, yeah would be nice!

[whole terrace]

I don't think swapping out ships from the new event into your pvp team will make it stronger, if that's what you were also asking

[glad trail]

just for the team i stated earlier would be big help.

i only have 1 washing machine currently. but im getting sorta close to a second one. idk if need 2 tho

[whole terrace]

ok give me a moment. Have you seen the pins already btw?

for gear

[glad trail]

i also have one hpfcr if that is relevant

[zenith tundra]

u need a lot of rudders

[glad trail]

ik i need a lot of rudders :D cant do anything bout rng tho

ive played now for a month and a half ish? have monarch and room dev 30 and 1 and a half rudders plus some more stuff, i think im doing ok at least

well i played like a year prior too, but pr didnt exist then so doesnt matter

my current gear im using on team is: juneau bulge rudder, ykk boiler fire thingy, belfast i think i use boiler pearl? but ykk and belfast are low lvl so i havent payed much attention

[karmic forum]

You can probably ditch the rudder on juneau and give her a boiler

[zenith tundra]

i would swap that rudder to a bulge on juneau

[glad trail]

backline ive been using sg radar+white shell on my bbs and beaver tag+cata on hiryuu

as stated im lacking rudders but idk where to place my one i have best

[zenith tundra]

just to be clear about howe barrage: is not affected by ws targeting and can aim at vg
that was expected anyway

[glad trail]

ok, so id use bulge boiler on juneau?

i dislike pearl on juneau btw cuz its too much at once and often overheals, idk if ppl think thats dumb but thats what i used to do when i played before. maybe thats a stupid idea now?

[zenith tundra]

that's what u usually use tbh, i'm not sure if it helps overall with ur vg being low level

[glad trail]

yeah well im not tryharding until theyre like 110+ anyways so doesnt really matter for now, but juneau usually uses pearl? ok ill do that then, i defer to my betters judgement as i am just a pleb

[zenith tundra]

pearl on juneau is not a thing unless u use azuma yukikaze with her since those 2 really don't want pearl at all

[glad trail]

oh

i misundestood, mb

then i am fine

:D

but yeah ykk should outlive belfast at max right? so pearl better on belfast?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[whole terrace]

Nagato Twin 381 Nepgun STAAG Beaver SG
Hiryuu Corsair Helldiver Ryuusei Rudder Avgas
Richelieu Mk6 Nepgun STAAG Rudder SG

Juneau DPS DD gun, quad homing torps, roomba, Boiler, Bulge
Belfast belgun, quad homing torps, quad bofors, Pearl, Boiler
Yuki twin 100, quad homing torps, bofors, boiler, FE

lmk if others would do anything different. Took into account that u won't have 406 skc or seattle gun. @glad trail

Tank with Richelieu and get use out of ryuusei hitting enemy backline.

[glad trail]

have seattle gun!

[zenith tundra]

pearl is usually used on 2nd vg to die after juneau usually

[glad trail]

and also have nepgun

one each

also have one fdg gun

[whole terrace]

Seattle gun probably more important on belfast
I'd give nagato the fdg gun. (i prefer mk6 on richy)

[glad trail]

(used the exp chips to grab some pr bps which let me finish seattle gun and fdg gun)

[whole terrace]

not sure about twin 381 vs 406 skc on nagato tbh

oh nice

[glad trail]

so now i can focus on pr3

i still gotta pick up staags sadly, but ill have to do with the 5acc aa gun for now

[zenith tundra]

the only negative to twin 406 on nagato is slower timing tbh. it doesn't change much overall

[whole terrace]

i see

5 acc AA gun is a fine stand-in for STAAG for now

[glad trail]

what is avgas?

[zenith tundra]

1 more thing to take into account with nagato gun is not overlapping with others

[whole terrace]

this boi https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/100/150_Aviation_Gasoline

[glad trail]

oh huh, i can pick it up real quick then

hehe

just gotta get my monthly oxy torp first kekw

but btw, thoughts on drake when she is dev30 for pvp?

gonna go hard af on pr3 my focus being drake>champy>odin, but obv drake will take long ass time.

(also yes im whaling a bit so i can do cube researches consistently)

[zenith tundra]

ca problems are usually with gun angles that are terrible for pvp. she doesn't change that but might make it as a substitute for azuma if u don't have her

[glad trail]

mhmhm, ic, yeah ik cas usually arent best unless azuma but drake has billions of stats xd

[zenith tundra]

she is not as tanky as pve because barrage won't heal as much

[glad trail]

yeah, thats a bit sad, well i will still go for her cuz op in pve but yeah, just hoping she can be of use in pvp too :)

[zenith tundra]

not even sure how well her barrage hits vs fast moving opponents anyway

[glad trail]

thx a lot guys anyways! big help with my pvp fleet, I will use those exact gears @whole terrace until something better comes along! huge thx :) ima go do some stuff now before server is up cya!

[whole terrace]

anytime

[elder crane]

oh, right, Drake barrage heal in PvP is

cause of HP multiplier (+lower dmg, +enemy having eva/actually dodging)

[zenith tundra]

her base hp is not bad and that 15% eva stat boost helps a bit

she won't really benefit from barrage heal but her dmg shouldn't be that bad

she might do better vs main then vg lol

[shy hazel]

game is up

they didnt even announce it properly

[crude mortar]

im stucking at update compltete

wtf

[zenith tundra]

time to sleep

[crude mortar]

nvm got it now

[shy hazel]

got 2 ssrs

now i need 2 elites

which are harder to get

[crude mortar]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

what the

this channel exploded

i thought this is ded

[zenith tundra]

[ionic magnet]

got pinged but backreading is

[shy hazel]

i pinged u

cos someone was asking about hms

and u was useless

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

time to name my pink formi HooLooVoo

[ionic magnet]

hms

must be a new guy or missed nagato/amagi

[upper sparrow]

[ionic magnet]

its still the first day

[upper sparrow]

Like u isnt it

Before isss rerun

[ionic magnet]

ill get that hoe sooner or later

[shy hazel]

[upper sparrow]

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

LMFAO

I ALMOST CHOKE TO THIS FLEET

I ALT TAB

AND THEN I LOOK AT MY SCREEN

MY WHOLE FLEET DOESN" EXISTS

ONLY 80% HP QE ALIVE

AND ENEMY ONLY HAVE WARSPITE

wtf?

I ALMOST LOSE CUZ I ALT TALB

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

lmfao wtf

[ripe latch]

imagine lose to ayaya

[crude mortar]

I never once in my life losing to pleb like this

wtf is happening when I Was alt tab

like

I test 2 more times

im not

even close to losing

how the fuck my whole fleet dying onlt qe survive

how

did I got cursed by haloist

[ionic magnet]

now add your fleet to your meme

[ripe latch]

[rocky shadow]

Is sea hornet good for pvp?

Sea hornet have high surface damage than vf 17

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

i mean, two 1k bombs is big

only .4 seconds slower

more crash too

probably a good pick up

[rocky shadow]

Eh, but i didnt use cv

Idk why i ask that

[ripe latch]

15 lck not enough to tanky or survive vs other cv

[true vale]

Having to rely on my crappy IJN anti-air is the only thing I'm afraid of nowadays

That and maybe Friedrich. That thing just doesn't die.

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

It also has reppu's base 60 speed

[frail orbit]

So

Bombs

60 speed

Also decent crash for a fighter

Dunno what's gotta be the implication of such kind of things tho

[vague token]

Power Creep (tm)

that's what

[shy hazel]

is that plane farmable

[crude mortar]

no

[shy hazel]

shit event

[crude mortar]

^

i need 3 of it

[buoyant parrot]

hey that new Aux torpedo looks good

sounds like it can be useful in PvP

[vague token]

did they change it? it shouldnt be great if it's still only first torp

[buoyant parrot]

well it is for 1st round of torp still

[vague token]

yes, for a huge drop on damage on the next

so if you're using ibuki, you get 1 quad worth of mags

then the next probably just whiffs

im pretty sure that's a net loss

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm make sense

[vague token]

not even counting if you make it to 2nd torp

cant even use it on subs, but hey large cruisers can equip it

[buoyant parrot]

But I will still try it for experiment to see it for myself

this sounds like it can be very useful with quad 610mm torps

[crude mortar]

large cruiser

drake?

drake ca

azuma black dildo?

[rocky shadow]

But 610 Made for manual not auto

[buoyant parrot]

Id use this with Jintsuu or Noshiro

or maybe we can use the gold quad instead

use rainbow dild + black dild

omg... torp memes again...

[rocky shadow]

That interesting

[buoyant parrot]

ima prep up my Torp meme now

[crude mortar]

[buoyant parrot]

there

[past egret]

Anyone have the barrage videos for Valiant and Howe?

[buoyant parrot]

ill farm 1 more print of that black dild for the lols

btw that Sea Hornet I'm kinda liking it more AoE damage than our best F4U in PvP

could someone test that and show result here would be highly appreciated

[vague token]

it's only like .4 slower

[ripe latch]

@past egret
https://patchwiki.biligame.com/images/blhx/5/58/gm8r3g7gcv83odq79g75s5kyc47z4vk.gif
https://patchwiki.biligame.com/images/blhx/e/e3/s7mz4ctzig3dy46m7hjukttc6a3pxet.gif

[vague token]

not a huge drop for going to two 1k bombs

[buoyant parrot]

.4 slower isn't that much of a big deal

[ripe latch]

ranger > hornet enty

[buoyant parrot]

is someone still using Enty at High Tier defense??? 😓

[rocky shadow]

Yes, enty still use by some player

[ripe latch]

[buoyant parrot]

urk...

[rocky shadow]

Usually namagi enterprise

[past egret]

That frontline

[ripe latch]

sandy double oxy

[elder crane]

@buoyant parrot Jint and especially noshiro make it to multiple launches, so ehhh
With mags, magstick<oxystick on just dmg
With 610s, second+ launch isn't magnetic
Which is where you want mag effect, so facetorp nukes shit
You apparently don't get the extended range of 610s either if you mag it

[buoyant parrot]

ahh so matching it with the Gold Quad is good then

naisu

i mean the not magnetic gold

quadruple 610m

[elder crane]

Wait what
....
On defense sure, but
I just went on about why it's no good imo

On defense you can smack their main
On offense, you don't get 610 extended range... So initial launch won't range main half the time

[buoyant parrot]

I see

I wouldn't be able to see the result in def then sadly

[vague token]

if only it kept the speed or range at least

[buoyant parrot]

unless someone fights my team. Unfortunately I haven't been active at the high tier PvP matches for quite some time now :(

[vague token]

[buoyant parrot]

no no sand bagging

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[alpine summit]

tthat is one scuffed hiryuu

wouldnt any other 120 do better

at least dorm her to 100