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never updated my gears since zack took it
why not
remove equip to farm event
avrora? yes
Oh
your defense fleet is all backline, naked vanguard?
coz im using my gears on my farming fleet
Ah. It's still an effective defense fleet.
i haven't touch my defense fleet since ages anyway
have a real def

Namagi ate my vanguard forcing a Hiryu vs Hiryu match.
@karmic forum I still on your list?
No I saw you on leaderboards
look F

my whole fleet is naked... how did you end up 1vs1 hiryu?
Sad nagato
be proud pvper


im trying to enjoy event dialog
im trying my best to enjoy azur lane
EN peeps can read?
no
Then why pvp 
Let him have some thang on it


im playuing azur lane unironically
Tryhard
but i still find it funny

how come a naked fleet ganked u
*im trying to play azur lane unironically
maybe he got haloist rng 
ok, i just read chat
you probably fought me when i was doing pvp, my current attack fleet has the same backline as my defense fleet that's why they had gears @sour oasis

nuuu
why u throw a rescue float
souken is here?
it was the perfect time to diss F
So you're saying that the actual gears updated while the fleet score didn't

Yes
If thats the case then theres some real potential to cheese sandbaggers
I've been pushing my matches at last 5 mins
we tested it long time ago

@crude mortar yes, im here π
go continue hiro legacy
So updates every 15 mins starting from the hour
pvp is a club anyways
you eri 
im here to steal team comp 
erika is just inferior kiro
i don think zack was able to manage
to get gensui once
when he used my accnt
no gensui notif in mail

Zack was juggling EN and JP at the same time
Or he claimed & deleted
A true madman

stop jinxing

kogasa 
they got +5 on the first gensui I think
tag ppl randomly
If they're sandbagging that is
AND WHO TF IS 3C
Is that for PVE
Ok
At least
I just saw Stella's fleet
It's fine on FDG
Lmao
But whatever

oh rip i forgot to post that

PR3
For research
what a sad juneau
Gud grief then

Not oathed

Just have two at 120
who is stella account owner anyway
The stella that chats here
stella is ded

Stella is dead, now its Pecorine

same person?
same loser



time to hide before peco comes back


Vy are you ever going to come back to PvP?
why hello there 

and im not the one doing pvp
i have someone doing it for me
i forgot cay's ingame name was Cayim

Cay sounds better
@shy hazel well for me ye u looser
no

all of u sandbaggers are losers
2020 and no fdg d30



Got 2 acc controlled by me keks
anyways ask zack why nothing is on d30 yet

he dont wanna spend cubes on research
which is good move anyways
pr3 dont matter rn anyways
14 months before pr4
thats the gap in jp/cn server before pr3
anything inbetween that is wasted bp
stecorine

wait im on there? xD
the memes will never die
i mean
on the tryhards i personally know
i only know 4
kiro is the extra meme

its my respecc
put yourself on that jun
na, probably 0 chance any of mine will be a +1 for me
would have to refresh and pray i think
2215
You can give him +2 if you wanted to 


ehem whos better monarch dev 30 or amagi? on pvp ofc
Amagi
what about enty or centaur?
i have centaur but dont have the bulins, so im planning to swap enty for the moment
Why is the VT18 divebomber rated so low on the pinned tier list?
I thought it was BiS for pve
Derp crash dmg
Flood chance so low anyway
Since its torps just gonna either hit VGs or be a dud
Is there a crash dmg reference sheet/table somewhere
You can look up the numbers for the relevant planes on the wiki

Oh wow I'm blind lol
fack. sat at 6/10 since I thought already finished.

for hiryuu aux slots is twin steam catapault recommended or a diff setup?
use Rudder/Avgas

If Iβm running a namaryuu fleet but I donβt have noshiro or azuma, who would be better between belfast and jintsuu?
you honestly think i have her kekwers
just do it 
βοΈ
btw should i get the beaver tag
yes
Can i be a French main!
What is the highest rank for PVP?
I can't seem to move up from Captain, it's stuck even though the point bar is full
.......> Captain (>#1000) > Rear Admiral Lower Half (1000-501) > Rear Admiral (500-301) > Vice Admiral (300-101) > Admiral (100-51) > Fleet Admiral (50-11) > Admiral-of-the-Navy (10-1)
each rank-title take time to unlock, won't grant u one even if u rushed to high rank-number early
Thank you!
@crude mortar u rushed again ehh



why rush when u can fight vs stella comp 
Warkai, FdG or Amagi, who should equip the beaver badge?
amagi , better survive potential 
sounds good
I'm still not sold on extinguisher > 2nd boiler for Yukikaze. I'm looking at the pvp equipment spreadsheet, was VH armor plating + extinguisher ever an option for her?

Eh, heavy armor vs a fleet that's going to be using HE sounds plausible. (Death vs torp-meme I know)
how u using vh on yuki tho nani
I prefer double boiler, but I was suggested to use extinguishers. I'm seeing my team get hit with more BB salves with 1 less boiler now. If I stick with extinguisher (and keep getting smashed by BB) would tossing the remaining boiler for vh plating be any better?
Or are more meta BBs backline using triple HPFCR now (which is a possibility, and I really want to go double boiler again)
DD's can't use VH armour.
pearl + boiler
You can go for double boiler if you prefer, but Yukikaze is particularly vulnerable to fires due to low HP, so you won't cover that weakness
Are you having issues with boiler + FE?
tbf its so much rng whether u get hit by bb shots or not regardless of how many boilers u use
u can stack max boilers and still get cucked by stupid ai
many times u get hit is when you backtrack to where u just moved away from for no gud reason
or ur vg just decides to park at 1 spot for like a second
wew looks like I did finish my matches last night and the guy i compare my points to just happen to do an extra so i thought i was down π
the important part is when you shoot
preload guns catch vg sometimes cause at the start defense usually pivots
so you could have 100 boilers and it wouldnt matter cause they're doing direction changes xD
lately i just stop giving a fk and go full offense just cuz lul
im still gonna miss tons of shots and take tons of dmg while enemy will just rng evade everything even when i use rudder/sg on backline so why bother
china roulette 
just double sg/sg+white shell and reset 
you tend to win more than you lose if you rolling meta fleet
the deck is still stacked in your favor
the only times i lose is when hiryuu decides to go into the invul after both vans die
π² 
i'm lose only when my ws kai cannot hit enemy hiryuu with her skill 3 times a row 
π² 
any equip
old woman can't see enemy 
+2 on the chart posted in pins right now
hoping to make my way to top 10 at least
chart is assuming some huge +12s tho
What's the best full PR fleet for pvp
Are you counting DR as PR?


Time for KMS to shine! 
Actually, counting PR3, are there enough research ships to run a compete 6-ship 1-faction fleet?
wdym "compete 6-ship 1-faction fleet"?
we can do complete 6-ship 1-faction fleets long ago without pr3
if u mean competitive 6-ship 1-faction fleet then that's possible for a long time without pr3
aka ijn meta 
@alpine summit how many ticks do you have left?
@sterile bluff wait. There's six IJN PR ships in PR 1+2?
Neptune (V) π¬π§
Monarch (M) π¬π§
Cheshire (V) π¬π§
Drake (V)
π¬π§
Ibuki (V) π―π΅
Izumo (M) π―π΅
Kitakaze (V) π―π΅
Azuma (V)
π―π΅
Roon (V) π©πͺ
FdG (M)
π©πͺ
Mainz (V) π©πͺ
Odin (M) π©πͺ
Saint Louis (V) π«π·
Gascoigne (M) π«π·
Champagne (M) π«π·
Seattle (V) πΊπΈ
Georgia (M) πΊπΈ
@sterile bluff wait. There's six IJN PR ships in PR 1+2?
@sour oasis oh it has to be pr? then no lmao
@karmic forum 3
3/10 or 8/10?
8/10
You're probably good for top 10 then
meta pvp
its impossible to have full one faction fleet
unless u convert jun to ijn

remember ijn aurora era

kms 
Has anyone met a full French fleet maxed?
i think i saw one
Hoo ate a -1 
Annywayy
Anyone hv gasco fs5 barrage vid ASAP?
i got 0 bonus
Not on wiki pls

Oh rip
even waited last 6 mins
Aurumai is also tied with you guys
nothing moved 
guessing it is harder and hard to get a +1
And I caught up
yea even the regular sandbaggers are not moving anymore
just get gensui and slacc
Mango also has been rushing
do you guys actually memorize who rushes

Always at the start
more like if you sandbag every season youll know them eventually
If you get him coming into a new reset consider yourself blessed
the only weird parts are early since the pool of players is huge
you dont know when they'll rush
xD
How many refreshes are you guys at?
4
I never know when to use them to fish for +1s or keep them to get better opponents into a new reset
Just gib up smhw
I think 2 now
i got 3 left i think
i used 3 resets just now to get low def guys...started fighting at 8:57 lol
Getting +0 is pretty bad but missing a tick is even worse
Play it safe or else you'll regret it

Today is the last day for using resets freely anyways
Oh right
Any used tomorrow is for avoiding -1s
Saving resets for the end tomorrow
last day is always ded to me anyways
Saturday and Sunday are dead days except the last reset usually
Btw
was the fancy converging gascogne barrage not real π¦
I guess so
Because nobody moves?
How many points did you have at that point?
We got lucky last season and didnβt need any 
Seems like a problem only for those in the lead
was the fancy converging gascogne barrage not real π¦
yea the wiki peeps fixed the gif already
only dmg was enhanced basically
pattern is the same

champagne's fate sim 5 barrage

Was gonna say
You might actually hit 2608

Kogasa with +1 per reset & no minus should EOS on 2604
Wait
Bet on the sandbaggers at this point
I'm convinced that Chibi Goku must be going for maximum merit
The guy's consistency in rushing is just insane
Chibi is always doing that every season
i can already feel it, this will be a +0 split for me

maximum merit
while i dont know what to do with 1.2 merit
would have 1.4 if zack didnt use some
need better content

is homing or non-homing torp better in pvp ?
U gotta get 2 rainbow homing or u ded
i don't even have one. What's the 2nd best alternative ?
just use them ol' hms quints
also other than rainbow homs
quad is also great
in some cases better than quin torps
if u want faster reload
@elder crane where are u at now for the tix?
That tie didn't last long. back to being behind hoo
4 matches in 6 minutes is way too risky for me. Unless it's an easy match
memes are an easy 30s per match 
I've had like 5 points from the final set before
yea worst case is two +9s prolly

Maybe we'll have two people hit 2600 for the first time in ages
what is this, 2018 again


then again I don't stay up for EoS back then 


kind of want it back
that refreshs killed 
bring back fox meta
Looking that is so satisfying af 
finally got my aotn even after missing 5 matches at start 
idk how tier lists gonna work anymore as well cuz i just fought someone using rich/ws/amagi with buki/noshi/yuki and it works fking well for w/e reason
double radar or ihr + radar
ihr ?

amagi has built in anti hit
and a lot of base hp
does HP equation (on exercise wiki) also count HP from gears ? Or just the girls' based HP ?
it does include it
How many/which ships actually counter warkai in pvp? Assuming there's any real counters in the first place
own war kai best counter 
why do ppl use a lot of bbs in pvp
Should i replace warspite for richie?

war kai with retro or not?
not
its on amagi server?
yes
any bb/cv have? around enty or hiryuu?
this is super late
but rn my pvp backline is Enty-Richie-Hood
Thats good
warspite non kai is 
just stick with that comp til you get her sword
and yea put richie on flag
hood is better on the sides for sniping hiryuu
@hardy jewel

and your warspite?
anyways thats still fine
just get more levels
dont you have amagi tho
@shell heron finally got around testing ws richy amagi vs amagi ws fdg. 12-3 final score.

I tried it alongside warkai amagi monarch/hiryuu, and itβs my favourite
Riche clearly adds more damage overall than hiryuu/monarch variant, especially on the vanguard
Issue is having to tank with amagi or warkai which is clearly worse
VH on amagi might make it better
Not much separates the three teams, though.
After all ur just swapping one ship
namagi ws has 90% wr vs amagi ws fdg while i got 80% with richy over nagato
pretty sure it's worse with richy
what gun do u use on riche?
can't u see comps?
sorry im being EN my bad
looks like u tanked with ws?
I don't normally like doing that because if ur warkai dies first it puts u at a pretty big disadvantage. But the alternative is focusing FDG which is also bleh
she is not really better other then prople liking her rng more then nagato
i was using twin 406 on richy @whole terrace
but nagato barrage deal more dmg than riche 
they both perform kind of the same tbh. nagato has a better max dps and a worse minimum dps so overall more rng but usually buffs make up for it when she doesn't do much
richy if she doesn't proc barrage has no utility
The only thing we need now is a French Noshiro for pvp 
fat noshi 
Noshi useless? 
as far as cn/jp meta 100% not worth using over any of the 3 best vg ships
Noshi still a lot better than options outside those three
and still 100% useless if u have dev 30 azuma
Have u tried swapping noshiro in for yuki or juneau?
useless if u have dev 30 azuma
YEP
i did try swapping noshiro for juneau when testing against some comps without juneau or instead of azuma when opponent was not using azuma but she never really stand out as a better unit
Yeah i"ll get her.... In next 3 month probably 
i did specify cn/jp meta in my statement but i guess people didn't notice that
i noticed. Biggest benefit is protecting lead juneau/azuma from getting blown up so it helps with consistency. It works on EN since torps are still an issue and lower dev azuma's
Noshiro has some uses for a more offensively-oriented build as well
None of those are better than standard meta
Barring any bonuses, I'll have +112 (100?) ladder points compared to a pure rusher... But I slept through a refresh
so it doesn't matter
The catch up system sorta works.
Hi PVP, is 102 Juneau good to use? I need her to start getting exp faster.
might as well to get her leveled up
Alright, thanks.
stick her in middle of vanguard and it shouldn't be too bad
That's Ayaya's spot since she's most squishy.
Well, if you put Ayaya mid instead of a 102 Juneau, you ayaya will be not-mid very soon, and not get Juneau's heal 
Are you saying Aya will die before Juneau and not get her heal?
u need 110 for any ship
Well, only if your expectation for pvp is to win. Picking and choosing easier opponents and slowly getting xp to form a strong fleet is the first step.
and she'll die so fast that Aya won't get any value off her heal, for the most part
might as well stick Jun in mid and Aya at the rear, so Aya at least gets more value off the heal
I'm assuming aya is at least 10 levels higher, if she's lower, then yeah, Aya in middle
Aya is 119
yeah, for sure Jun in mid
Ok
Two back to back U researches. Mostly steam catapults. (Stupid π²)
Nagato and Hiryuu are being dormed soon. β’οΈ
That looks like an able offense. Don't even need Nagato and Hiryu.
I don't think JB actually contributes much, she's mainly there to tank Warspite.
Because Amagi does not want to.
ill try gascan fate 5 eventually, i dont think jb adds anything to rich
Richi+JB fails to smack enemy vanguard about half as often as just Richi alone, it's fiiine
JB very rarely RNGing a squisher enemy main fleet unit is also hilarious
kek
im sure it's fine
i just dont like having to take a cd penalty for the preload gamble
rich is like perfection cause you can get preload and no cd penalty xD
On that note, I wonder if something like Richi Formi Hiryuu Jeanne Aurora Azuma could work
If I only field one carrier in JB's slot, who should it be? and is it worth it?
im using rich/formi/hiryuu atm
given Jeanne's shield actually doesn't set evarate to 0 (unlike lusty), it might help with aurora's Nagato issues
hiryuu is uh
very volatile
if you dont proc fc she's sub azuma dps usually
eg you could have just had literally anyone else be more useful
but then you proc final counter and you get a billion planes on screen
Well, literally only matches where she procs FC matters
and she hits 30k XD
if she doesn't proc FC, match must've been an easy win 
it's just annoying how feast/famine it is
cause it's basically, you had either 2 mains carry you
Also Richi JB Hiryuu is starting to have issues with specifically Namaryuu
Nagato barrage hurts
Richi-JB can't outtrade Namagi unless my vanguard is alive, and ofc you need your Hiryuu to proc after theirs to win
I think vs the best teams I'm around 70%ish winrate, which is 
Any other team so far though has been 85+%
Warkai setups especially
either they can't kill vanguard and I outtrade them
or Hiryuu FC very stronk lol
what's Jeanne's shield's HP again in PvP?
uh
6% of base 3223
so probably pearl/boiler adds 700 or w/e
so like 6% of 3900?
then pvp multiplier?
so like 550 ish
yeh
Azuma hits for less than that per shot, right?
my dev 26 azuma hits for 300-350
per shell
on offense
defense would do less
although that's no nagato
ish
hmmm, Jeanne shield might be able to survive Azuma then, to make it to Nagato
i guess i could try jeanne
if that works out, should help Aurora consistently make it to 20 s for Richi/Formi
only downside is juneau has to be lead or triple bb will just ignore her
xD
the struggle
fair enough kek
Jeanne Aurora Azuma is the plan
Delet vanguard, out-trade to proc their Hiryuu if they have it, Hiryuu cleans up
yeh
problem is my jeanne is lv107/95aff right now I think

Maybe I'll try Belfast for now?
Issue is that Aurora has issues consistently making it to 20 s
Mostly because Nagato barrage, with a dash of Azuma, I think 
aurora mid to hide?
that's with Aurora mid 
is ibuki can work better than jintsuu when paired with noshiro and yukikaze?
very slow, if using - boiler + torp , other - free food . someone play with pearl + boiler/torp and this true degen
Why not wash machine
My Ibuki lost DMG after firing her first 2 torpedoes, and her survivability was poor compared to jintsuu
jintsu better , but not enough hp to tanky
so far with jintsuu and noshiro I can survived from big 7
u afraid nagato barrage? 
just want to try ibuki because it's finished with D30
@ripe latchyup, as possible I keep away from namagi
Ibuki on offense is 
that setup works, it's just worse than stall though
on defense, it's much better
more likely to hit torps, and RNG is a good thing
trp team on def
Well thx guys
I just don't have enough DMG when using juneau

Should i use my catchup on
or
? 
Also niko i rly like ur pfp 

I RLY like it 

idk from a pvp perspective ibuki
there are some other ships you can use that can fill a similar role to neptune anyways
Ibuki better than nep for pvp?
Ibuki for uniqueness, Nep for being generally good but outclassed by better
choose saint bec we have riche , she buff work on pvp 
Outclassed by who?
Noshiro and Azuma in PvP
a lot of shit in PvE, but I think technically only minnie fairly strictly so
neptune is still the best mob fleet tank, but there are other ships like minneapolis who can fulfill neptune's role
and Sheff/Bel/Sanrui in PvP is about as good
So shes basically the best i can get cuz i dont have noshi nor d30 azuma π
hello I am noob
hello noob, im dad

I was wondering about pvp meta
Hi noob 
have a nice day π
my jank warspite team beat nagato team in pvp for first times these days
and is confuse me
rng
you don't really need Nep for mob fleet though
boss is the troublesome one when it comes to needing a strong fleet
and Nep doesn't perform that well in reduced-ship fleets
and Sheff/Bel/Sanrui in PvP is about as good
@elder crane usless . if u want survive comp - sheff juneau bel
if you're running stall, Juneau and ykkz is nonegotiable
the only question is third option
isn't it better to use jda instead of bel?
Sheff/Bel/Sanrui/Nep are all fairly comparable
Noshiro/Azuma are straight-up better
jda has CA speed, so 
was she that slow? i so forgot eek
still maybe just as good, probably not better, haven't seen anyone test it properly though
or if they leave smoke
not outside of smoke
any good team will be running accuracy equip on BBs
double radar 
main problem with IHR on vanguard is that everything other than torps that's threatening to vanguard is dealt with better by simply outrunning it
could you technically nullify bel's smoke with sendai's flare
and it's already hard enough to fit in enough boilers usually
yes
but as a ship, Bel >> Sendai for the most part, so you still end up behind
that and vs accuracy-equip BB/C and vs vanguard units in general, IHR is not actually more eHP than just a toolkit lol
not 120/200 smh

she has a good run for me, π«
Hmm, I wonder, how many oathed ships do I have that are permanently retired?
before fix , they debuff + nagato buff = rip dev20-25 azuma from first salvo
do you have a oathed fortune or smh? lol
problem with that is sendai = RIP Sendai

double boiler and go 
I oathed Sendai and she's still at 110 
what sendai bug?
Washington, SoDak, Hood, Baka, Suruga, Portland, Uni, Sendai, Dunkek
and ofc waifus
Laffey, Yuudachi, Takao, Atago, Eugen, Cleveland, Edinburgh
and a few I'll probably never use, but technically maybe,
Jintsuu, Bismarck, Liepzig
Takao, Atago

ok i think ima go for nep instead of ibuki since nep is 0.5 on tierlist and ibuki is 1 
logic 100 

what? 
oh shit I need to do 3 matches
better hurry BOI
idfk
oh, for PvP? then sure
ima use ibuki for the sake of triggering people
this is pvp channel after all 
how dare u trigger me
though that's outdated anyways
go for neither and shill Izumo 
with better stall options out, Nep should be T1 with Ibuki probably
wut r the better options?
how2be an asshole step1.
besides azuma and noshi
Do you guys normally refresh if your left guy isn't ahead?
yes
literally those two, but they're so much better that it hits her viability pretty hard imo
so only 2 better options that i don't have
stall is about being consistent, but no point in being consistent if they're consistently better
i would wait another reset?
I check their score first. If its not more than 10 below me I keep them
so nep is still the best i can get rn π
since you're at 5/10, you can wait a lil longer
Ibuki setups on offense ngl probably do just as well on offense vs Noshiro and/or Azuma setups than Nep does
nvm
I see your +2 this reset as well hoo.
I took a -1 for my mistakes 
i have since given up on twerpmemes 
had to take a +9 for a fast fight
they never fkin hit on offense 
Ibuki you build as a hybrid if you're not memeing
offense AI is so fkin stupid
she's actually fairly tanky
I've had 2 plus 0 splits this season so I don't think I can expect too high
tbh i should also consider pve too since i can only d30 one of them 
im running 6 rainbow for the sake of triggering people
PvE Ibuki is T0 torp goddess, along with Aya, situational which is better
And plus 1 splits seem so common....
yea but... i don't rly need trp goddess rn 
omg this decision is so hard 
i wish i could have enuf catchup bps to d30 both of them 
Nep is soft-outclassed by a ton of stuff for PvE imo 
like wut tho
and Minnie arguably hard-outclasses her
anything tanky basically
full fleet = you're running a healer anyways, and leaning on main fleet for DpS, imo
welp i'd have to ask gph about this
I see your +2 this reset as well hoo.
@shell heron yea cos of the random rank 2 food on 4th match
maybe back to sendai meta 
pog
















