pvp

[crude mortar]

why dont they get fire

[zenith tundra]

she can be a substitute of amagi but amagi herself will be a hard counter to richelieu

[crude mortar]

can ramming damage burn enemy?

[keen sparrow]

im curious that 30s burn to backline

[crude mortar]

400fp +15%

900 per tick

every what sec

4?

or 5

[zenith tundra]

i'm curious if it's full coefficient or she gets a special one

[crude mortar]

every 3s

30s

10tick

each tick

900

[keen sparrow]

if special burn

[crude mortar]

27000!?!?!?!

[keen sparrow]

burn stack

[crude mortar]

fire

27000 dmg!!11

if it burn 2 ship

[zenith tundra]

the thing is most of the time early damage is completely mitigated by juneau

[crude mortar]

omae wa mou shindeiru

[zenith tundra]

down to almost 0

[crude mortar]

use rich

and full stall fleet

[shell heron]

imagine if burn stacked.

[keen sparrow]

[shell heron]

I am so happy it doesnt

[crude mortar]

is it zerg meta now

either end fast or die from burn

[keen sparrow]

stack pls

[vague token]

burn does stack

if it's different source

from a skill

remember?

[shell heron]

you're the burn user here, but that makes sense if it's a different source

[zenith tundra]

well it could get a stupid coefficient and ending up not mattering at all

[vague token]

also fireworks

it has to

it lasts longer

but it'll stack with her own gun

which is fp boosted and 160 efficiency

probably the biggest burn outside of gascan u

[zenith tundra]

if the dmg is not good u won't savage it with length

burn is slow

and gets much worse after vg death

[inner zenith]

did u see the vid of riche's barrage?

looks smol

:v

[zenith tundra]

check the link in datamine

[crude mortar]

wait what

small?

[shell heron]

it's not too bad with the shells and spread pattern

[zenith tundra]

also early dmg being negated by juneau might make it way less impactful overall

[crude mortar]

75% chance total

or

each shell 75% chance to burn?

!?!?

[vague token]

the main thing is early shot makes the enemy weaker

[zenith tundra]

sure but amagi is guaranteed

[inner zenith]

just hit these upper mid ones

[zenith tundra]

vs 70% chance on barrage hit that only affects backlines

[inner zenith]

and barely the last barrage s trike

[crude mortar]

this game need 3rd aux slot

i need 3rd aux slot so bad

gonna put fire suppressor in every single ship

[zenith tundra]

omg 60% mods on heavy pls....

that barrage gonna do like negative damage

[crude mortar]

but 30s burn

stack with normal burn!

[vague token]

i mean mods dont matter burn is just base xD

[crude mortar]

its fire fleet

[zenith tundra]

again wait and see what the fire coefficient is

[crude mortar]

whole nation is burning

[frail orbit]

Remember rossiya flood

[crude mortar]

even jean burning herself when fight start

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

if it's way too low it's like useless tbh

[crude mortar]

I could replace my qe with rich!

[zenith tundra]

the fucking video cuts off right before fire

what a stupid thing

[crude mortar]

rich just go +15fp aa fire radar + white shell for maximum burn damage?

*aa royal navy radar

[vague token]

you need double sg

or sg/hsfcr

66 hit

[keen sparrow]

fire nation is coming

[zenith tundra]

her barrage will deal around 528 dmg per shell on heavy

[frail orbit]

Burned at the stake eh
Would just HSFCR smhw

And her reload stat means SKC is fine

[inner zenith]

lunar eclipse they will be nothing

[frail orbit]

I meant 406skc

[silent ocean]

wait so would intrepid be a good to use against the frenchies?

takes zero burn damage for 30sec or w/e

eh thats if she gets below certain threshhold so guess wouldnt be great nm

[ionic magnet]

i cant think of any use for jeanne

[zenith tundra]

barrage dmg should be like this
881 light
705 medium
528 heavy

but it doesn't hit light anyway

that's per shell

[frail orbit]

Is it HE? or AP? Or normal?

[zenith tundra]

it burns

[silent ocean]

would guess he

[frail orbit]

There are multiple parts

[keen sparrow]

if that shield is active after battle start that at least make jeane gud for torp meme

[frail orbit]

I meant not just the quartet HE shell from barrage

[keen sparrow]

why must 10s

[frail orbit]

Aka the arced HE

[zenith tundra]

the mods are unique tbh but it burns so he

[frail orbit]

Still 60% hmmmm

[zenith tundra]

she won't do barrage dmg

like bismark

at least pvp

even if 4 land on 1 heavy opponent is 2k dmg

[frail orbit]

Not that

But the arcing

Looking at how her luck and hit stat derp

[zenith tundra]

the arching u mean barrage?

[frail orbit]

Ye

2 parts btw

[zenith tundra]

that's what i've said earlier

[frail orbit]

The arcing barrage and the tricolor, right?

[zenith tundra]

the small part is low dmg

20base x 30 projectiles

usual bad filler stuff

[frail orbit]

Which is well

A bit derp for arcing

Considering her hit stat

[zenith tundra]

those small things will hit for 124 dmg per projectile on light armor

[vague token]

do they burn?

if they burn they can spread it

[zenith tundra]

i doubt but who knows

it's he so might

actually

[frail orbit]

Wish it burns

So meme burning holy water

[zenith tundra]

it could totally burn with 70% chance tbh

[ionic magnet]

who would you even use her with

everyone else seems meh

[zenith tundra]

so it all comes down to whatever her burn is good or not

[frail orbit]

Bringing Sanrui back perhaps?

Nah tho, jokin keks

[vague token]

no one

solo

debuffer

[zenith tundra]

the one comp i can see working is ws fdg richelieu with ws and fdg 457 so richelieu can do the burning

[vague token]

toss in amagi and you got all the debuff

[zenith tundra]

more like 2ap while still having 2 burning sources

fdg barrage and richelieu

[ionic magnet]

would be nice if she can hit all three backliners

[zenith tundra]

it could totally work since amagi was there for debuffs anyway. if richelieu burn dmg is good should be a viable alternative even more if the 70% burn can be applied to vg as well with small projectiles

[vague token]

it should hit all 3

[zenith tundra]

it should

[vague token]

with that pattern

it's like semi wide

she has preload mg too

[zenith tundra]

something like tosa

[vague token]

+1 +2 +1 is preload right?

2 aux, 1mgm, 1 preload?

[zenith tundra]

preload aux mgm

in order

[vague token]

yeah, so you roll the start of battle set em on fire and they are already debuffed

and it's tied to gun so even with burn duration reduction it should have 100% uptime

[zenith tundra]

might need twin 381 for that but that is such a waste

i would guess stack everyone at 16s with fdg gun

[vague token]

i mean nothing reduces duration on backline

amagi is damage

[zenith tundra]

if only hpfcr would work after preload

it's 100% barrage chance

[keen sparrow]

now waiting the burn dmg in pvp

[zenith tundra]

1/4 chance of missing

[vague token]

i mean that's fine

xD

if you fail dice roll at start just instant reset

;)

[zenith tundra]

it might not be if u miss on preload and then eat ws dmg

[ionic magnet]

burn dmg numbers where

[zenith tundra]

that burn dmg should be good for her to be really viable but even then it's still more rng then just using amagi

[crude mortar]

but it 30s

[zenith tundra]

idk i want them

[crude mortar]

30!!!!111

[vague token]

the duration doesnt matter base fire can be refreshed

[zenith tundra]

30s of 100 burn dmg per tick is nothing

[crude mortar]

440 fp

[zenith tundra]

u need dmg

[crude mortar]

with 15% amp

[zenith tundra]

it's the burn coefficient that matters

[vague token]

+damage doesnt affect burn

only fp mods

armor also doesnt affect burn

so as long as the base shell damage is good

[crude mortar]

warspite already did 900 burn with 406 isn't it

[vague token]

the heavy mod penalty doesnt matter

[zenith tundra]

her shelling looks really good

[vague token]

18% boost

[zenith tundra]

but it's still 2 salvos

that 18% boost is less then fdg

[crude mortar]

shes a burning ship isn't she

[zenith tundra]

and fdg has mgm +2

[vague token]

fdg is unfair to be fair xD

her base shelling burn should be good though

[zenith tundra]

who is she competing against in pvp for a slot? nagato amagi fdg and ws

if she hits backlines sure

i cannot compare her to hyuuga since hyuuga isn't meta

[vague token]

i dont think she can displace the meta

she's just fun for weird stuff

[crude mortar]

i dont like hyuuga

its like listening to gachi in korea

when using hyuuga

[zenith tundra]

i'll wait for burn coefficient for the final decision but she does have potential

[keen sparrow]

now we nid burn dmg that all

[crude mortar]

is other ship good for pvp

or just rich

[vague token]

jeanne has wrong timing

otherwise could have seen use

[keen sparrow]

jeane shield is trolling

[vague token]

also note she is REALLY slow

[zenith tundra]

the one issue she would have is 25% chance of missing the 1st barrage leading to ws dealing too much dmg

[keen sparrow]

if after battle start pop out it will gud

[vague token]

jeanne is 25 base speed lol

[zenith tundra]

is that avrora tier speed?

[vague token]

eldridge/avrora

25

[zenith tundra]

LOL

[vague token]

actually wait

avrora is 19

sorry

not that slow

eldridge tier

[crude mortar]

slower than average

and cant dodge bb lvl

[vague token]

by a lot

[frail orbit]

Boomer cruiser

[crude mortar]

unless 2 boiler

[vague token]

cl should hover around 30-32

[zenith tundra]

eldridge tier speed

[vague token]

noshiro is Fast CL with 35

[zenith tundra]

she needs 1 aux to be a cl in speed

[vague token]

oh isuzu is 36

[frail orbit]

Keep in mind Agano class being fast

[vague token]

didnt know that

[zenith tundra]

isuzu in pvp

[crude mortar]

ayanami is super fast

[vague token]

also omaha class is 35 apparently

[frail orbit]

[keen sparrow]

beaver + 2 boiler

[vague token]

if only we had a good omaha class lol

all common/blue filler

oh chapayev is 34 lol

nice

[keen sparrow]

but all french dd is fast

[zenith tundra]

in between a bad 35 and a good 32 ship i would pick 32 anyday

seems like they run out of engines for jeanne tho she is super slow

[vague token]

we'd need a 40 speed cl to be in the sketchy zone

aka slow dd tier

[ionic magnet]

well if jeanne timing is not a troll we can just ditch bluge on lead VG and replace with boiler

so not a big deal

[vague token]

10s is troll =(

[ionic magnet]

10s means we will never use her

[vague token]

pve only

should be ok in pve

free sustain is free sustain

little fire never hurt

[zenith tundra]

she might work well against sirens tho. low speed and dmg immunity at 10s are usually pretty good against them

[vague token]

yeah

basically a free 20% fp mod

[zenith tundra]

her dmg seems still not amazing overall

[vague token]

152 is like ok, under sandy kai but higher than baseline dido class

135 is normal for cl gun

32x16 he barrage

sounds fun

maybe just spam barrage like nosh

wait

i spy SAP barrage

on the heavy cruiser

are we getting another SAP gun

[zenith tundra]

nice 65% light mods

[vague token]

oh wait

170x8 on rich barrage

[ionic magnet]

oh right theres new gears

[vague token]

isee

that's good base

as long as the fire ratio isnt garbo

that will be a good fire

i think it should function well at .5

[zenith tundra]

i did the math earlier for that is pretty terrible

[vague token]

i mean 406 is 150 or w/e

[zenith tundra]

881 light
705 medium
528 heavy

barrage dmg

[vague token]

no i mean for the fire

and since pellets are HE you get extra chances for debuff

xD

[zenith tundra]

700 burn dmg if 0.6 coefficient

[vague token]

yeah, i think it will function if it goes around .3

[zenith tundra]

700*.85

[vague token]

lower than that is bad

since it will presumably stack with shell burn

[zenith tundra]

595 vs amagi with 0.6

700 is not that much to be broken but the duration might indeed be too much

[vague token]

yeah

i think if it is at least 500 per tick

that's on par with most barrage ticks

but it has the debuff bonus and duration

like i think sara burns are around there + flood

formi might be a bit higher but duration is 9s

on flood

[crude mortar]

burn whole backline

[vague token]

essex i think has the largest ticks?

outside of mg shots

[crude mortar]

faiyah

[vague token]

but she's weird

[crude mortar]

burn 30s if she survive she win

[vague token]

well no

[crude mortar]

i mean her fleet

she can just die

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

at 0.4 fire coeff is 487 without amagi around

it might be nerfed to 0.3 since double duration tho

[vague token]

i think .3 is bare minimum

[zenith tundra]

at .3 is 365

[crude mortar]

feels like shes pure pvp

it pvp ship

[vague token]

cause you might also rng shoot someone with 160 efficiency and 500+ fp

and set them on fire for like

1k burn ticks or w/e

[coral wren]

Is her skill called deus vult?

[vague token]

they'll be afraid of that

[zenith tundra]

it goes down all the way to 294 with 0.3 and amagi around

that's not good

vg fire dmg might still save her tho

[vague token]

if you wipe vg early with a shell

you get ez gun burn at 21

or w/e

pick your gun xD

[zenith tundra]

problem is azuma doesn't die to even 457 shoots easily

[crude mortar]

21-51

[vague token]

doesnt have to die, just clip her

with a shell

and she's on a timer

vg doesnt get amagi burn reduc

[zenith tundra]

she has so much hp that is like saying a backlines dying to fire u know

[vague token]

i mean, backlines do take a bit xD

[zenith tundra]

cv do bb don't

[crude mortar]

RICH FORMIDDABLE WARSPITE

[zenith tundra]

and azuma has bb tier hp

[crude mortar]

formidabble stun+warspite shot

and burn

faiyah

[vague token]

ill probably try amagi/formi/rich

debuff and dot fun times

[keen sparrow]

less than 1k burn but ok is gud aldy

[zenith tundra]

i'll actually raise richelieu and maybe oath if her burn coeff is good

[crude mortar]

and buy skin

[vague token]

i have to do it cause debuff

xD

[zenith tundra]

just to test ws richelieu fdg

[keen sparrow]

amagi,richelu,x

pick u choice for last

[crude mortar]

should rich middle?

[keen sparrow]

yes

[zenith tundra]

i'll buy le vauquelin and le malin skins before hers

always pretty much

if she hits all backlines she needs flag just for that

[vague token]

rich should be mid

[zenith tundra]

not to mention self buff

[vague token]

mm rich/amagi/fdg sounds fun too

armor amagi

hmm yes, you wanted to do damage?

[keen sparrow]

she n nagato will fight for mid spot

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

u need ws for focused dmg tho

it's a mess without her

[vague token]

na it's fine

just make entire enemy team have -16% attack stat

fdg just soaks for days

[keen sparrow]

richelu,amagi,warkai soon

[vague token]

[coral wren]

Remember that surcouf skin is also l2d

[zenith tundra]

like namagi fdg is pretty random too but works thanks to azuma amagi and fdg being broken

[crude mortar]

fdg clear vg better

[zenith tundra]

i don't see amagi richelieu outside of memes. they both would suck at dmg too much

and even with ws u have to put amagi tank which is not fun

[keen sparrow]

is for meme

[crude mortar]

IS

hiryuu

era

over?

[zenith tundra]

#pvp-memes when? so i can just focus on meta...

[keen sparrow]

[crude mortar]

pvp-casual

[abstract cypress]

pvp without memes is straight up boring

[zenith tundra]

casuals are better then memers, at least they would try

[crude mortar]

after certain period of time

they start clowning

[zenith tundra]

memers are just wasting time

anyway

[crude mortar]

new player trying

but after they winning

and dont lose

t osome degree

they will either super tryhard

or becoming clown

there is no middle

this remind me of certain someone here

canot have warspite sword

[vague token]

it's ok i outlived the last anti-memer

i can outlive the rest

rip peco

[crude mortar]

stage1.I have warspite half kai
step2. why this piece of shit game dont just give warspite sword
step3. can I have warspite sword please? im willing to trade my soul
step4. how you guys have warspite hai im so sad
step5. fuck this I cant enjoy the game

@sterile bluff

[ionic magnet]

stella never did her sandbagging guide

[zenith tundra]

am i not an anti-memer?

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

__>

[crude mortar]

stella is a girl? owo

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

[midnight heron]

[vague token]

i dont think ive seen you anti-meme as much as the peco

xD

[ionic magnet]

doesnt matter shes a loser anyways

[crude mortar]

look me

I dont have nagato

im using random fleet

im a happy player

[zenith tundra]

i just get tired of trying and ignore them

wish mods were around when people meme too

[vague token]

i mean if pvp was strict meta there wouldnt be a need for this channel

just post the tier list and hand it to gaming help

close channel

no need to think

[crude mortar]

bam

[vague token]

xD

[crude mortar]

like i've said

just add

nagato and amagi

100k merit

we good

[zenith tundra]

problem is 1 person can ever test so much alone

[keen sparrow]

stop being so faking stupid serious can or not?

[ionic magnet]

lol yea mods always gets zack for some reason

[zenith tundra]

and to test everything u would need all ships leveled up

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

that's what cn/jp whales are for ;)

[keen sparrow]

at least it fun than just do same fleet over n over

stuck forover with same fleet

[zenith tundra]

now i wonder if richelieu will be new bismark... t0.5 for buffs with meme barrage

[hot creek]

Ill test, if they ever release HMS ships or retros ever again

[zenith tundra]

how much till u can retire?

[vague token]

im pretty sure she'll be better than biscuit

unlike biscuit she buffs her own barrage

[crude mortar]

imagine being a game developer releasing these content

[ionic magnet]

hey dont cross out richelieu yet

[vague token]

if biscuit buffed fp it would help quite a bit

[crude mortar]

then suddenly

[vague token]

but it's only primary weapon crit xD

[keen sparrow]

biscuit is 🚮 at pvp

[crude mortar]

*later

[vague token]

cant even boost fdg barrage

=/

[keen sparrow]

richelu still at least have some spot light

[vague token]

nor roon barrage

[zenith tundra]

i don't feel like her barrage will do that much

[keen sparrow]

i waiting someone do test for burn dmg

[crude mortar]

i mean how do I view this ship as pve ship? I see this ship as pvp ship

like pvp

just pvp

30s burn in pve? you serious?

its a ship design for pvp isn't it

[zenith tundra]

30s burn in pve is pointless if not boss

[vague token]

she's meant for siren

first shot auto crit

[crude mortar]

wtf

[vague token]

debuff the siren so your vg doesnt die

(on manual)

[zenith tundra]

1.5k dmg per shell from barrage in pve on light with double shells

[crude mortar]

how about

just use nagato on mob fleet instead?

!\

[ionic magnet]

wait if BB shell started the fire then got refreshed by richelieu
does it tick for 30s

[crude mortar]

I mena

amagi

msitype

[zenith tundra]

sirens aren't really mobs tbh

[keen sparrow]

but if burn dmg can over than 1k/tick she will be going inside meta

[crude mortar]

mistype

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

i dont think special burns are refreshed by standard guns

but i dunno

special burns are weird

[crude mortar]

the burn might be good

cuz new open world map

long ass map

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

like can you refresh a fireworks gun burn

[zenith tundra]

if it's special than it can only be refreshed by itself

[vague token]

with a normal gun?

yeah

[ionic magnet]

its a pain to test too

[vague token]

just assume it only refreshes itself

[ionic magnet]

oh

rip then

[vague token]

plus it lasts 30 seconds

[keen sparrow]

is not burn is stack? n richel is special burn

[vague token]

on a gun timer

so basically unless you whiff every single shot

it's gonna be there

[zenith tundra]

if it's not special and doesn't stack it's even worse for pve

[keen sparrow]

it will dif

[vague token]

or 25% fail chance

xD

[karmic lake]

[crude mortar]

nagato also 60% fail chance

[ionic magnet]

nagato can fail?

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

i don't think nagato can fail since u never expect anything from her

[vague token]

the margin for success is huge anyways

[zenith tundra]

her barrage is always a plus

[keen sparrow]

fdg gun or mona gun will gud

[zenith tundra]

her non barraging is the expected result

[crude mortar]

one day qe will had nagato barrage

[zenith tundra]

pve wise mk6 anyday

[crude mortar]

why not 381?

[zenith tundra]

pvp might get away with twin 406

[crude mortar]

oh wait

it not rich

nvm

wait

i read wrong

nvm

[zenith tundra]

richelieu barrage dmg is 1.5k per shell on light

[crude mortar]

he that deal 1.5k on light?!

[zenith tundra]

is not much considering u never hit more then 3-4 on single target

i mean it's 1.0 mod on light

[crude mortar]

wanna burn multi target rather than one

[zenith tundra]

even with retarded fp scaling she doesn't do much more

and it only goes down from 1.5k on other armors

[crude mortar]

if enemy vg is being retarded and run backward can they take rich barrage?

[zenith tundra]

seems almost impossible to ever happen unless opponent vg has too much speed

[crude mortar]

my vg always retard go backward and enemy amagi aim my vg but hit main instead

smh

[zenith tundra]

that's because offense vg is closer to backlines then defense

[vague token]

offense is further away from their main

you can get clipped by like monarch barrage

[zenith tundra]

u mean defense is further away

[vague token]

that's same, your offense is further from their main

defense is further from your vg

xD

[ionic magnet]

even worse when theres incoming CV airstrike and your VG pulls all the way back

lol

[crude mortar]

yeah

[vague token]

i swear offense vg is more likely to be shelled cause he travels so slow

xD

[keen sparrow]

more worse is u vg go back n ryusei torp launch to u back

[zenith tundra]

and still u dodge more with more speed

[keen sparrow]

vg alive n backline dead coz of ryusei

[zenith tundra]

no backline should ever die to a ryuusei

unless is equipped with paper gear

[keen sparrow]

my suruga 3% hp left

[zenith tundra]

what else did she tank? it's impossible for 1 ryuusei to deal 107% hp dmg to her with dr skill

[keen sparrow]

plane crash n bomb coz my vg at back n they drop all bomb there also no dr proc

[zenith tundra]

unless underleveled and equipped with no defense

[crude mortar]

my 30% mont beating the shit out of 80% hp hiryuu

all my fleet dead 1v1

[keen sparrow]

suruga,warkai,qe all lv 120 sg+rudder

i only slap rudder coz it alwys save me from random torp to back

[zenith tundra]

that cv needs to deal 198k damage before aa dr to one shoot suruga

either she didn't evade at all or she was already crippled by other stuff

[keen sparrow]

i think u get wrong

[harsh moon]

When do Akaga send out their first airstrike? ~10s mark?

[keen sparrow]

my suruga has 3% hp left before ryusei launch to her face

[zenith tundra]

[keen sparrow]

coz vg ai being mess

they bring all plane to back

[zenith tundra]

idk it never happens to me

not that cv should even live to airstrike

@harsh moon u can chek the edps/ehp table in pins and choose setup for akagi/kaga it shows airstrike cd with buff

[zenith tundra]

if en follows jp example rip reset

2 hr extended maint

also worse patch i've seen. half a day to download 260mb

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Huh, Richelieu might actually be viable?

75% barrage, seems on paper pretty strong, preload

[zenith tundra]

the mods kill it tbh

she is fire spam for debuffs

[elder crane]

It's still preloaded barrage

[zenith tundra]

ik but the dmg is very low on heavy

2k if 4 shell land on opponent flag

[elder crane]

It's not much lower than Amagi barrage

I think

[zenith tundra]

i was thinking she could be run instead of amagi with ws fdg but it's still more rng and the fire might have special coefficient

30s at 0.6 is a lot of dmg

600 with amagi dr reduction per tick is 6k dmg on every ship on fire

[elder crane]

Also did you forget
Preloaded
So even if barrage is like 2/3 of real barrage damage, still ok

Also that

Seems like special fire too

So maybe it even stack with actual fire

[zenith tundra]

the problem would be if u miss barrage and no dr u are quite behind ex vs ws teams

[elder crane]

For maximum burning

75% isn't too bad though
Though not having utility is

[zenith tundra]

if only other french could use the buff for real it would be much easier to use her

[elder crane]

Oh, 2/4/2 pattern on barrage

[zenith tundra]

maybe jb for max preload

[elder crane]

I think that's a positive?

[zenith tundra]

yes it should spread fire to all

[elder crane]

I think you just run her solo

[zenith tundra]

i know but that would really make her much better then just amagi

[elder crane]

Not necessarily flag, she doesn't need it for buff?

Wait she does

Ehhh

[zenith tundra]

the one thing i'm waiting on is fire dmg and if it stacks

[elder crane]

So team would be, Richi, Amagi, something?

Wait, 30 s burn?

Damn

[zenith tundra]

i feel like without ws or fdg u would lose a lot imo. too much dr won't kill opponents

or both tbh

[elder crane]

Well both kinda has the issue that Amagi > Richi

[zenith tundra]

her mgm +1 doesn't help

[elder crane]

Pretty sure

Yeah, without buffing other French ships, she's kinda ish worse Amagi

[zenith tundra]

maybe in a team with 2 457 she could be better then amagi because only fdg barrage could set fires?

[elder crane]

Buff set is real nice though

+15% FP, Acc, and reload

[zenith tundra]

she has fdg tier acc and fp

which is both nice and terrible

thank god for the acc buff

[elder crane]

Also 19 luck

[zenith tundra]

even the 18% dmg buff is similar to fdg just 1 less mgm

with he guns

[elder crane]

You know
Barrage damage with all the buffs shouldn't be that terrible, no?

+15% FP and +6% damage
The +6% stacking with the -20%
So she goes from 80% to 86%, which is 7.5% more damage

[zenith tundra]

i did some math. with 472 base fp and 30 extra from equip she reaches around 577 fp

it's still only 628 dmg per shell on heavy

[elder crane]

Yeah, ewww

[zenith tundra]

that 60% mod really hurts

[elder crane]

I suppose just fires then mostly

Run her with mk6 probably

[zenith tundra]

i would use hpfcr on her for fp stacking but it's pointless outside of stats

[frail orbit]

How about just slap a Mongun?

HE for her skill

[elder crane]

Why

[frail orbit]

Also faster than Mk6

Besides

[elder crane]

It's a worse mk6 though

Maybe the +20 FP is nice for fires

[frail orbit]

Considering her fast reload for non retro

Might as well consider it

Either that

Or mk6

[elder crane]

650ish damage permanent fires though, seems nice, if it sticks
RNG on RNG though

[frail orbit]

167 no oath
Imagine if w/ oath

[zenith tundra]

that fire dmg seems a bit broken i'm not expecting full 0.6 coefficient on those fires

[elder crane]

First 1/4 to not fire barrage
Then, with evasion, assuming 2/4/2 physical, and then applying 70% burn, something like
70% 90% 70% to apply burn

[zenith tundra]

that's literally 70% chance to deal 20k dmg

wel less actually since fire chance

[elder crane]

So like
55%/65%/55% ish to get the fires

[zenith tundra]

yeah something like that

[elder crane]

Though I suppose 2/3 is pretty damn good already?

Ehh not independent though

[zenith tundra]

11.3k dmg per average barrage just fire

[elder crane]

Well, for 3/3 fires over 21 s?

Also Amagi should cut into it a bit

-9% FP and -15% on fire

[zenith tundra]

amagi would be her worse opponent for sure

[elder crane]

Flagship these days doesn't really take too much pressure?

Or nah

[zenith tundra]

it's 7.9k over 21s

it's nagato the pressure as always

[elder crane]

Can probably run 2 SG on her safely?

Well, she's heavy

So whatever

[zenith tundra]

42 evasion is not bad too

[elder crane]

No sell Nagato

Nagato vs heavy really doesn't barrage that hard

• 40% activation, vanguard eats it half the time anyways

Seems fine to me

After vanguard is dead her role is done anyways

Just need to stick that fire

[zenith tundra]

against namagi fdg i ended using ws opposite to fdg, fdg mid and amagi on amagi. i think it's the only way to beat a 3x barrage nagato rng

[elder crane]

Well, she doesn't need to survive that

Her fires keep ticking

Though I suppose accel biases you towards keeping vanguard alive

[zenith tundra]

accel will make her much worse for sure

her mg can still do dmg tho. 160% eff with very good fp

[elder crane]

Yeah, her main gun fires will be no joke too

160% eff with that FP

And preload

And accuracy buff

Feels almost KGV esque on that

[zenith tundra]

u could try and run amagi richelieu ws but i'm not sure amagi can just tank well

[elder crane]

I'm thinking Amagi Richi FdG

[frail orbit]

No sniper tho

[elder crane]

WS doesn't work too well with her I think

[frail orbit]

For backline, how?

[zenith tundra]

maybe just from the dr stacking

[elder crane]

Basically
Survive and burn them out

[keen sparrow]

richel status is gud aldy

[zenith tundra]

if u can keep amagi safe sure

[keen sparrow]

with oath more fp n reload

[elder crane]

30 s of a ~650 damage fire is 1/3 of their HP gone already

[zenith tundra]

there is also juneau full healing most of that tho

[elder crane]

Stack FdG barrage and Richi main gun fires on top of that
And poof

[zenith tundra]

most early dmg is usually nullified by juneau death

[elder crane]

Well, somewhat over 1/4 of their total HP with Juneau, yeah

[zenith tundra]

so just spreading might net u 0 dmg over 20s

[elder crane]

Well, I assume timer gets over 50 s easily

[zenith tundra]

juneau + pearl is 35% and u only have richelieu barrage and fdg barrage that are guaranteed to hit backlines

amagi is half hit

u'll win out of straight tankiness i think but not fast matches like that

with ws u'll get an easier 3vs2 once 1 dies

[elder crane]

Maybe she does work better with ws since preload

Richi is probably faster than I'm thinking

Ws you're looking at, what, 25 s kill usually?
Or 20 s

[zenith tundra]

aorund 2nd mgm cd against tanky stuff

[elder crane]

That's still, 7 and 6/5 ticks of fire

Lots of damage

[keen sparrow]

richel n warkai will same timing probably

[elder crane]

35/40 ish kill then?

With 457

[zenith tundra]

it's faster with hpfcr around 32s

[elder crane]

Hmm, seems good to me

[zenith tundra]

15s+17s

[elder crane]

How close is warkai+amagi, no others, to a 25 s kill on focus?

Vs a tanky target as you say

[elder crane]

Cause richi fire is an additional 5k ish in support of that if it applies

[zenith tundra]

fdg ws is usually overkill for amagi ws fdg. i prefer always not focusing fdg and ws if i can

[karmic forum]

Oh we're talking about Richy that must be a good thing

[zenith tundra]

she has potential for sure

[karmic forum]

Because of preload

JB also had preload

[zenith tundra]

30s fire

[karmic forum]

Oic

I guess I should read datamines now

[elder crane]

Preloaded guns, 75% gun barrage with a strong fire

[harsh moon]

also debuffs are a cherry on top

[elder crane]

Fire is probably unique fire

So stacks with normal ones

[ionic magnet]

wait we know her burn dmg now?

[elder crane]

No

Guesstimate normal 0.6 mod

[keen sparrow]

like i say before she will have some spotlight, now nid some data for her 30s burn

[elder crane]

Anything less and she's probably bleh

[ionic magnet]

mm i see

[frail orbit]

On barrage?

[karmic forum]

Apparently 6 dorm slots bugged on JP so they're extending maint

[elder crane]

Anything more would be...
Opop

[frail orbit]

I asked Ender btw

[keen sparrow]

n can stack with other burn or not

[frail orbit]

140, not scalable

[karmic forum]

So this is how my season ends.....

[elder crane]

Wait what lol

[silent ocean]

lol o boi

[elder crane]

140 nonscalable fire damage?

[zenith tundra]

140 burn dmg no fp scaling?

[frail orbit]

Dunno, ask him smhw

[ionic magnet]

140??

[elder crane]

Tf is that bullshit

[karmic forum]

[elder crane]

Well, 🚮 then

[zenith tundra]

it's worse then i imagined

[karmic forum]

You're trolling us right?

[elder crane]

Instant 🚮 if that's intended

[karmic forum]

Is this rossiyas flood damage all over again?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[elder crane]

Well, meta stale still :P

[zenith tundra]

tbh if it wasn't she would be amagi tier of broken in pvp

[elder crane]

Time to crawl back into our holes

[keen sparrow]

140

[zenith tundra]

140 no scalable mean fixed or can be reduced by fire dr?

[frail orbit]

[keen sparrow]

fixed 140

ok

[elder crane]

Ehh
With 0.6 mod on fire, I think she's roughly at edge of viability for PvP

[ionic magnet]

yikes

[frail orbit]

Ask him on gph smhw

[ionic magnet]

so much for theorycrafting

[elder crane]

140 fixed is basically 🚮

[frail orbit]

[keen sparrow]

my hope is ruined 🚮

[harsh moon]

:/

[zenith tundra]

idk i think almost 7k fire dmg from 1 barrage on 1 target is pretty nuts

[harsh moon]

I guess I'll do my JdA/Elridge troll fleet without Riche

[ionic magnet]

and here i thought its time to dust off my fire extinguishers

[keen sparrow]

now better waiting ppl test her at pvp

[zenith tundra]

sure

even if u can set vg on fire 140 dmg is too slow to kill anything

i'm not sure if small projectiles also apply fire or not

they are he after all

[elder crane]

Problem with that is very RNG

Also
It's over 30 s

So not that crazy

Can't stack with barrage spam

If she misses first barrage, she's kinda oof

[zenith tundra]

that was my one problem with her anyway

25% chance of a lot of dmg loss

but overall since juneau death it might not be so much after all

[elder crane]

Depends on w warkai or not

With a stall setup, might've been interesting though

[zenith tundra]

anyway that was exactly why i was waiting on fire dmg numbers to say anything conclusive. what a meme

[elder crane]

Still, 1/16 to miss both first and second barrage
Which is probably instant loss

[frail orbit]

Personally

I'd wait for joyme blhx wiki tbh

[zenith tundra]

it's better then amagi suruga fdg tho? 5% stats - is like 4-5% dr vs suruga 9%

[elder crane]

Add in fire apply RNG and it's like, 10, 15% she does very little

[frail orbit]

I meant on ALEC it says 140
Ender said it's at 119

Dunno which one is right atm

And no one has SL10, yet

[keen sparrow]

[zenith tundra]

maybe full damage reduction for all with amagi richelieu suruga

[elder crane]

10-15% to just straight up lose sounds shitty to me

And then
The 10, 15% for enemy team to god RNG

[frail orbit]

Might as well just refrain from these theorycrafting tbh given none has SL10 on CN

[elder crane]

So that's like, 75%, 80% winrate max?

Which is
Not terrible, just

Meh

(numbers for a team built around her)

So yeah, Richi w proper fire on barrage+stall seems bleh

[zenith tundra]

i'll wait and see but if u can datamine the stats skill level or not that's the damage

[keen sparrow]

to bad that barrage video they cut important part

[zenith tundra]

yes

[weak latch]

How is Minneapolis in Exercises?

[zenith tundra]

she suffers like most ca from awkward firing angles when dealing with speedy vg

also kind of slow that makes ur vg vulnerable to bb shoots

[karmic forum]

Jeannes skills are actually kind of interesting for PvP

Too bad she doesn't have good stats

[weak latch]

Thanks

[harsh moon]

She hard counters Akaga, but I can't think of anything else

[zenith tundra]

i think for once the 20s would've been better then 10s

at least u can stop airstrikes

[karmic forum]

Yeah

Maybe it will work out differently in practice

I'll test her out because I'm oathing her anyways

[harsh moon]

I want to test her with elridge

[frail orbit]

Jannu basically boomer ship tbh

[zenith tundra]

the only thing happening around then is amagi shelling and if u can keep shield for 6-7s nagato barrage but the shield is not strong even with pvp scaling around 500

[karmic forum]

Well I never expected her stats to be spectacular

Seems like they avoided a Pamiat situation though

[zenith tundra]

her speed is the worst thing for pvp anyway

[ionic magnet]

1 azuma salvo and it should pop her shield

[karmic forum]

Jeanne + Eld for the anti-speed memes

[ionic magnet]

and whats up with that 70hp heal

[zenith tundra]

1hr past 6hr and still maint in jp. now i wonder if this will affect en at all

[karmic forum]

It probably will

And we'll probably be screwed

[zenith tundra]

i won't

[karmic forum]

We being sandbaggers

[ionic magnet]

in EN we trust

[zenith tundra]

imagine screwing up dorm xp calculations for 6 ships when they already released them for cn

idk how is that even possible

[keen sparrow]

that 70hp heal is funny

700 maybe ok

[karmic forum]

You won't ever get the heal in PvP

I'm just hoping that Jeanne's first skill is secretly op

If it overrides all other burns that is

[ionic magnet]

doubt it

[karmic forum]

It could be the case

There is a non-zero chance

[ionic magnet]

this new event is a big disappointment

[karmic forum]

I'm just trying to think positive

[ionic magnet]

what about the new gears btw

[karmic forum]

CA gun is the only thing worth talking about

Its HE and seems a bit better than sanrui gun

Farmable on D3

[ionic magnet]

mm ic

well CA gun

[karmic forum]

Nobody uses CAs in PvP but if they did then they'd probably have that gun'

[ionic magnet]

sanrui

[frail orbit]

Necro list Sanrui Ibuki FS5 tho

[ionic magnet]

ill atleast farm 1 for good measures

[zenith tundra]

technically weaker fires only extend fire duration never overwrite stronger ones

[karmic forum]

Yeah but it could be hardcoded to override

[zenith tundra]

i would expect more that jeanne skill would refresh opponent strong opponent fires

[karmic forum]

Or it doesn't affect other fires at all

That wouldn't be terrible then

If it really does refresh strong fires

Then I guess I have my third member in my trash fleet finally

[zenith tundra]

lol

[ionic magnet]

is that why shes underwater in her skin

[zenith tundra]

1 case she is borderline broken against fire other absolute trash against fires

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

lol

[karmic forum]

The middleground in that her skill works independently of other fires

[ionic magnet]

yea that would be my guess too

[zenith tundra]

that would maybe be best overall

[elder crane]

Anyways
New CA gun seems like Sanrui DpS, slightly higher actually I think, on a no3 pattern

[zenith tundra]

no3 pattern?

[karmic forum]

Oh hey I was correct about riche having two red skills and one yellow skill

[zenith tundra]

waste of books

[frail orbit]

Lmao zack still not recovering from richy barrage being meh

[zenith tundra]

i don't have any red books and no t2 at all

anyway i won't even get her since i only have 60k gold

gonna be a while before i get all ships

[coral wren]

How about the other ships? Are they any good?

[zenith tundra]

not a chance tbh

[frail orbit]

Still my wife domination then

[zenith tundra]

tbh i expect more a bb to make it into meta then a vg ship

[shy hazel]

oh

maint aint done yet

not like i care

[zenith tundra]

do u want 6th dorm slot for 1.2k gems?

thieves

[upper sparrow]

1hr past 6hr and still maint in jp. now i wonder if this will affect en at all

yes yes yes!!!

[past egret]

Databmines

@zenith tundra

Good or trash

[zenith tundra]

pvp wise 🚮

[past egret]

NOOOOO

how bad is it

Compared to like KMS meme

[zenith tundra]

richelieu looks interesting till u find out she has a 30s burn with 140 damage...

bad barrage mods against heavy

and he buffs don't hit anyone in pvp

[ripe latch]

🇫🇷

[granite flame]

wheres the sheet

oops

wrong ping

[ripe latch]

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mSSsJp1C808DyAAWo6DKj4cG-bs_nC53jcejN_GznL0/edit#gid=0

[ripe latch]

[upper sparrow]

what is that? new gun?

[ripe latch]

CA

[zenith tundra]

yes

[upper sparrow]

is that for jp-cn update only tho?

en soon

[ripe latch]

looks better than german

but

[granite flame]

how good is her barrage

[ripe latch]

52x4

[granite flame]

riche

[upper sparrow]

i thought the design is similiar with 406skc

[zenith tundra]

around 500-600 dmg per shell on heavy and fire dies 140 tick that doesn't scale

[upper sparrow]

the fire tick damage is tickle for enemy

[zenith tundra]

yes

[upper sparrow]

good pun yostar

[ripe latch]

paper planes

[upper sparrow]

make a new skill for memes purpose

[zenith tundra]

it's better then rossiya flood

[shy hazel]

so what

[upper sparrow]

[shy hazel]

6th dorm slot

[zenith tundra]

yes

[shy hazel]

will u even use that zack

[zenith tundra]

it's ur account not mine

[shy hazel]

i can buy it anytime

[zenith tundra]

i wasted 1.2k gems on that

[shy hazel]

no point if u wont use it

[zenith tundra]

i use dorm but not sure if it's worth

[shy hazel]

well see bout that

more qol changes

[zenith tundra]

ships

what a meme

[granite flame]

how good is the carrier

[upper sparrow]

uhh what?

[frail orbit]

Kinda confirmed? But not yet on sl4

This one after barrage hits

[ripe latch]

imagine if barrage get normal dmg

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra whats the best possible french fleet now

best meme fleet

[zenith tundra]

the one that doesn't exist

[granite flame]

hope is crushed

[zenith tundra]

there are really no choices for pvp if u want to meme richelieu jb whoever saint juneau yukikaze

jp server dying cool

[keen sparrow]

fixed 140 burn

[zenith tundra]

i can't wait to see en imploding as well

[keen sparrow]

no hope d

[granite flame]

they seem like a handicapped KMS dream, at least KMS has FDG to hard carry

[inner zenith]

72 hour maint PTSD

https://tenor.com/view/worried-omg-gif-5110257

[zenith tundra]

if only i did pvp i could just go to bed already

[granite flame]

suffer

[zenith tundra]

was waiting on research and 10h comm

[ripe latch]

they add blue planes

[zenith tundra]

why not