pvp

[crude mortar]

isn';t it

kappa

[ebon schooner]

en needs to hurry up so we can get shangri la

[zenith tundra]

she was squishy like isuzu

[crude mortar]

its not like she die on middle anyway

[zenith tundra]

in w13 she would

[crude mortar]

if they make she more tanky

thats pretty good for pvp too

[ebon schooner]

isuzu is way too frail to be decent imo

[vague token]

i mean, if they boost her damage buffs technically you end the battle sooner

so she doesnt die

it could go either way

[zenith tundra]

well only new people use enty in pvp and there is no reason to use helena outside of enty. i don't see that changing anything

[vague token]

i might try her with cuda fun times

[ebon schooner]

Sigh

[vague token]

if she gets a durability boost ill try her over noshiro

[crude mortar]

if doesn't matter how long you play the game as long as you didn't get nagato and amagi you will be called new player

[ebon schooner]

I thought he was already 0/10 so I refreshed him

[crude mortar]

[past egret]

@zenith tundra can you line up Helena proc with divine marksmen proc

[zenith tundra]

with pr ships and ws retro u don't need namagi

[vague token]

no

[crude mortar]

on 2nd markmen

[vague token]

the other ones dont matter

[zenith tundra]

hard to fail ws retro item

[vague token]

xD

[ebon schooner]

he usually rushes within the first hour, wonder why he didnt this time

[crude mortar]

he might've rush if u didn't talk anything

*say

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

doesn't ws barrage already line up with helena debuff? at 25s and maybe even 40s

[ebon schooner]

im just gonna do my attacks and go sleep

[vague token]

yeah the non-boosted ones easy

xD

[ebon schooner]

gotta love the +0 reset

[zenith tundra]

not my fault her barrage is trash outside of boost

[vague token]

personally i would have preferred they spread out the damage boost xD

[zenith tundra]

why?

[crude mortar]

no

[zenith tundra]

amagi 2nd barrage?

is like nothing is ever buffed by her

with 457 almost no bb ever shoots in the 20s anymore

wfc might be using her

but it's 60% proc better then aurora/sirius debuff or azuma keeping vg alive?

the inherit problem with helena is that 40% of the time she is useless

unlike other ships that work 90%+ of the time

[vague token]

maybe a skill that triggers evasion boost if she fails dps

xD

meme would be, 60% chance to trigger damage buff, 60% chance for evasion buff

but one must always trigger

so you could roll both

but always at least 1

too meme

[ebon schooner]

[vague token]

like a less rng taihou

[zenith tundra]

that's too memey also not really useful at 20s

[vague token]

i mean most defenses are at the 20

it's consistent

the majority of activation defense skills trigger at the 20

[zenith tundra]

what is at 20s?

[vague token]

with weird outliers

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

the problem is 20s is useless anyway

wouldn't really make her better

[vague token]

there's a ton of blues at 20s

oh actually we have a gamble proc for defense already in the vanguard

with much stricter requirements

forbin lol

[zenith tundra]

ask the one that made the emote

[coral wren]

Is ibuki yuki and noshiro a meta?

[vague token]

oh and azuma triggers at 20

xD

[crude mortar]

you never fight these 3?

damedane

[zenith tundra]

azuma might be moved to 0s like roon

[vague token]

but yeah, if you search 20 seconds on skill page of wiki

there's a ton in blue section

[shell heron]

torp meme is still a meme, but it performs better than 16k torp vgs

personally never had real problems against it outside of rng wiping my vg

[crude mortar]

why would u use helena on that comp

[vague token]

i mean it would work

[crude mortar]

over noshiro

[vague token]

but not amazing

[zenith tundra]

noshiro isn't even in that comp

[crude mortar]

triple heavy cv comp with helena

[zenith tundra]

it's yukikaze

[crude mortar]

most of the time enemy die with freeze

you dont need helena

[shell heron]

I don't see how helena works in the current meta. Sure it's not Akaga levels of speed

[crude mortar]

it overkill

[shell heron]

But most fire before 20s

just slow

[vague token]

if guns were pushed back past 20s we might see some variety

since so many defense skills proc after 20

xD

[shell heron]

I toss HSFCR on Warspite to avoid that 20s salvo

until a 457 is made, but that's gonna be a long while

[zenith tundra]

no one will run 20s guns. being slower then cv is dumb not to mention rudder meme proc

[shell heron]

ofc not, but I'm running triple BB on offense

unless litt gun has a faster reload

I should check that

[zenith tundra]

littorio is like 410ap as reload

jintsuu buff is stronger and noshiro is overall tankier

for people that actually reset against torp maybe

torp are hit or miss so most of the time will just not do anything

some matches u just kill opponent vg some others ur torp won't hit shit

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

u can consistently beat that comp with azuma a bit slower but 100% of the time

people don't use torp because is more rng not because it's that bad

i personally dislike torp a lot

[vague token]

i dislike torp because it's less rng for defense

while being 100% rng for offense

xD

[shell heron]

def fleets are memes anyways outside of dev30 azumas

which are slightly less meme

might as well use rng torps and maybe force a reset

[zenith tundra]

not if ur goal is to stall not win

torp meme stall 0

u can rng win with stall but u can't stall with torp meme

[shell heron]

Shimarin, I see that +2 this reset

[empty grove]

I really shouldn't push late with this comp

[zenith tundra]

[empty grove]

Like I don't think I can die

But my god is it slow

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

it's pretty slow which is why u need 2 sg and 457

[empty grove]

I did put two SG on her

But 381

[vague token]

381 lul

[zenith tundra]

just use sg hpfcr amagi and forget defense

[empty grove]

I am using that

[zenith tundra]

lol

[empty grove]

Well

Wait

Right

I swapped SG for washing machine

[hot creek]

I did like 30 cubes worth of research today and only got 2 DR prints

[vague token]

[hot creek]

mustve used up all my luck on that 457

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

Happened to me one day

Next I got like 14 in the day

9 FDG

I can see the gun fucking me for awhile tho

[hot creek]

Spam G-531-MI

[vague token]

what are you at again?

[empty grove]

31

[vague token]

lul

[empty grove]

I legit haven't had one in like

[vague token]

i think im at 29

[empty grove]

3 weeks

I've only done that 4 hour G like 3 times total tho

[zenith tundra]

i have 30 in jp. same shitty luck as stella account

[empty grove]

& I just realised, I don't think I had a single rainbow research

[zenith tundra]

ugh. gold dr are killing me trying to save for event

i got 2 in 3 days

[empty grove]

I'd be picking lower options

But I get memed with stuff like this

[zenith tundra]

i tbh care more for 1 dr bp then french ships

[shell heron]

paying 5k for that 1 bp

when you're already done

[empty grove]

I aint touching those again

[shell heron]

[empty grove]

I used the blue tho

38 mins

[zenith tundra]

i would pay 5k gold for 1 to 5 dr bps

[hot creek]

Those purple DR ones give me 457 sometimes too

[zenith tundra]

i'm not using cubes at all so face dr is the only choice

[empty grove]

I was paying that

I'm not paying it at dev 30 tho

[zenith tundra]

u have enough time to fate 5 now

i don't really

[empty grove]

I'd probably gain enough BP for fate 5 from the shop & events

[zenith tundra]

kind of regret finishing pr1 fate 5 instead of pushing for dr more but i really needed more staag since i only had 2

[empty grove]

If only PR2 had STAAG

[ebon schooner]

thats some bad rng right there

[zenith tundra]

if only proto shop had staag

[empty grove]

Why is that even missing

Like I understand 457 but why an AA

[zenith tundra]

too broken for proto shop

like hpfcr for core data

[empty grove]

Is it tho

You'd only need like what

5 max?

Assuming PVP & PVE without gear swapping

[zenith tundra]

sure but i only have 4

and never swap for pve

[empty grove]

I mean HPFCR

[hot creek]

Im 3 off from my 6th staag. Its been taunting me for long time since I rarely ever do pr1 projects

[zenith tundra]

ah

u would need 2-3 for pvp

would u even use those that much in pve?

[empty grove]

I just went with 1 per fleet

It's good for timing on early spawn stuff

On manual anyway

But manual 🚮

[zenith tundra]

u max would use 3 in pve so 6 total with tosa

anyway my hpfcr is stuck on oklahoma because 138.6 farm

i wish i had infinite oil to afford 30m runs per day but even just doing that +10h commissions seems to drain all my daily oil

[vague token]

i just do dailies only

still gaining oil

xD

[hot creek]

I have to do 30 more runs of this sp3 crap 🚮

[zenith tundra]

not lucky with building i would guess

[vague token]

lul

i did that week 1

took 3-4 days i think

do 1 clear logout check pvp

xD

list ded

[zenith tundra]

same. i didn't want to build for her anyway

[hot creek]

I just did daily build and waited until final day while doing sp3 slowly in case i did build

[zenith tundra]

is maint tomorrow? at least jp is

have fun farming

[empty grove]

I probably wont even farm

[zenith tundra]

[empty grove]

I have enough anyway

[finite valve]

you can never have enough

unless you have enough of those to fill all 6 fleet

[empty grove]

Well, we'll see

[zenith tundra]

is just3c the actual just3c in avrora?

[empty grove]

I'm pretty sure why?

[zenith tundra]

i had him in list earlier

[empty grove]

[ebon schooner]

436

thats interesting

oh thats pre reset time

[zenith tundra]

and now i have darkova and slime. weird to see known names so much for me

[empty grove]

I recognise Fawx there too

[vague token]

old names popping back

[zenith tundra]

u might but idk that many people in en

[ionic magnet]

anyone knows whats the highest rank you can have while still having the chance to roll top 1 in your list?

i think around 150 from my experience

[zenith tundra]

idk i got top 10 around 150 but not sure rank 1

[ionic magnet]

but anyone got higher?

hmm but 200 is not possible right

[zenith tundra]

i don't think i ever got any top 10 past 150

[vague token]

i mean it might be possible

but it's low odds lol

[zenith tundra]

it's low odds to get rank 1 even at rank 50

[ionic magnet]

yea hard to say but i'll go with 150 for now

[zenith tundra]

en gets 150 cap and jp 200 cap

[ebon schooner]

why not just make the cap raise the same

[ionic magnet]

200???

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

also they raised max dock cap to 3k

[ionic magnet]

what do you even get from HQ levels beyond lv100

wheres my canteen upgrades

[zenith tundra]

it's soft cap

that's it

[ionic magnet]

yikes

[finite valve]

HQ max cap in JP is 150

so they going to raise it to 150 in EN

that all there is

[zenith tundra]

they will raise it to 200 after next maint

i'm reading patch notes

[finite valve]

oh really

gg

dock cap to 3k

[zenith tundra]

🐳

[finite valve]

wonder which M will do it

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

next patch is very uneventful tbh compared to what they showed us in anniversary stream

[finite valve]

i am interested in the "guild battle map"

dk what their purpose is aside from getting currency for guild stuff

what did CN get in the past anni?

[ionic magnet]

oh theyre not releasing all the anniv stuff yet?

[finite valve]

you wish lol

[zenith tundra]

any of the good stuff. it event related things and what i said

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

sound just normal shit to me tbh

the most hype thing in anni are all about the skins

[ionic magnet]

anniv skins are pretty meh tbh

[finite valve]

and maybe road map / leak on future event / ship

that is

[ionic magnet]

littorio became a monster

[zenith tundra]

oh i missed 1 thing. they make dorm bigger by 1 layer

[finite valve]

so 3 floor?

[zenith tundra]

nope larger space

[finite valve]

meh

i rather they increase the amount of ship you can put into dorm

5 is not even enough for 1 fleet

[ionic magnet]

whoever designed that 5 slots is drunk

[finite valve]

also on the subject of melon

i think yoshiku skin is bigger than littorio lol

might be biggest atm

[ionic magnet]

whos yoshiku

[finite valve]

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3916963?q=azur_lane+

don't have her skin on danboru

[zenith tundra]

~~ surcouf skin delayed lol ~~

[ionic magnet]

ah but atleast its consistent

unlike littorio

look at her og art then compare to that skin

[finite valve]

might be bigger than littorio like 1 cup size

in her swimsuit tho

lol i say is increase by 3 or 2.5

[zenith tundra]

i hate this stupid overly thicc designs with dresses that look utterly uncomfortable to wear

don't even make sense

[finite valve]

well you know what they say nothing sell better than sex

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i agree with the saying but not every ca needs to be 1

[finite valve]

well either that or be a loli

[zenith tundra]

noshiro..........

[ebon schooner]

^

mikasa

[finite valve]

just check but for CA at least there are no in between

port and indy might make a case as "normal"

but for CA at least either thicc or loli

[ebon schooner]

theres a few that dont fit that criteria

[finite valve]

yeh ik

[ebon schooner]

but they are also the ones no one gives a shit about

[finite valve]

they are the flat chest faction so i count them in loli anyway

regular as in cleve figure at least

[ionic magnet]

london would like a word with you

[finite valve]

i think london kai is quite big i say

[zenith tundra]

wait it is 6th slot for dorm not space

cool

[finite valve]

nice

[ionic magnet]

they finally figured out that 1 fleet has 6 ships

[vague token]

meanwhile i get my minne oath

[finite valve]

[vague token]

not too beeg, not too small

[zenith tundra]

google tl said layer so i was confused

[finite valve]

lol

[ebon schooner]

i like baltimore school skin, simple and clean

[finite valve]

trusting google translate was your first mistake

problem is the price

how much was it for 5 slot?

[zenith tundra]

doesn't say

i'll find out in-game

[finite valve]

800 for 5 slot

so may be 1k or 1.2

[zenith tundra]

[finite valve]

well at least they heading to the right direction

baby step

[ionic magnet]

rip dorm foods if 6 slots tho

[finite valve]

now all we need is lvl 15 canteen or lv 100 dailies

[ebon schooner]

gem your food

[zenith tundra]

i already don't have any in jp

[ebon schooner]

[finite valve]

fuck those lvl 70 dailies

[ionic magnet]

screw these botes always hungry

[finite valve]

just starve them

not like they going to leave your dock anyway

[zenith tundra]

38 days worth of food and i never get to exchange oil as well

[finite valve]

if only there's a way to farm 7-2 1:1

[ionic magnet]

already used up all my currys
all thats left are 3k oxycolas

[ebon schooner]

hmm, i do need to affection grind tosa, maybe ill do that after i 120 these other ships

[finite valve]

[ebon schooner]

[finite valve]

waifu > stat

ez as that

[ebon schooner]

good thing tosa is my waifu then

[zenith tundra]

in en i have like 400 curry thanks to last event oil in shop

[ebon schooner]

[finite valve]

i say better hold off farming

1 day till iris

[ebon schooner]

in reality, im just gonna use her event

[finite valve]

and you would want as many oil as possible going into d2

[ebon schooner]

yea that

[zenith tundra]

i want to farm daily iris but not enough oil for farm and 10hr commission

[finite valve]

just don't do 10h

[zenith tundra]

not like i want to build new ships anyway

should just do helena retro instead

[finite valve]

wait helena should be CN only no?

[ionic magnet]

not wanting richelieu smh

[finite valve]

for now at least

[ionic magnet]

prolly comes with anniv if i will guess

[finite valve]

yeh but atm not for EN

[ionic magnet]

wait is she on patch notes or not

[zenith tundra]

yes no mention in jp patch of helena lol

[ionic magnet]

rip

[ebon schooner]

lul

[zenith tundra]

maybe later

[ebon schooner]

[finite valve]

what is JP having for event tho?

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[finite valve]

does JP already have iris rerun?

[upper sparrow]

saber

[zenith tundra]

new french event

[upper sparrow]

[finite valve]

same as CN huh

well have fun with the new boat waifu

EN just going to grind d2 like mad

[upper sparrow]

is not 138.6 mm on d3?

[zenith tundra]

nah

[finite valve]

nah d2

d3 is jean gun

[ionic magnet]

i'll just farm 1 gun and move on

[upper sparrow]

hoo nice

[zenith tundra]

i'm not farming more then 3 guns tbh

too much work

[ionic magnet]

same

[finite valve]

[upper sparrow]

farming one gun is enough

dont want to sacrifice irl time

[ionic magnet]

wait we're still getting 1 gun from shop right

or is it gone

[zenith tundra]

i might just do fast siren farms every now and then after like 50k pts

[finite valve]

not having 6 fleet fill with 138.6

[vague token]

it should be 15 bps

[celest obsidian]

Hello, fellow club members.
I've already asked that on general, but I want to know if there is any correlation between the difference in attacker and defender rank position and amount of rank position attacker gaining after winning (or losing). And, I've been told that people here done some research (like smth i see in the pinned messages), so, can I use those in some of my researches and, if possible, can I get some kind of summary on them?

[vague token]

like last time

[finite valve]

[upper sparrow]

it should be on shop

[ionic magnet]

good

[vague token]

rank doesnt matter, it's score difference

rank is just a way to predict score difference

[upper sparrow]

asking on general

[finite valve]

@celest obsidian bottom line is that the higher a score different is between you and the one you attack you will get more bonus point

for how much bonus check the pinned message

[upper sparrow]

what is worse, asking on in-game chat or general chat?

[ebon schooner]

asking on general for anything

general chat

[finite valve]

any pvp related they just point to #pvp

[celest obsidian]

That'll do it, thanks

[finite valve]

even help does that lol

ppl ain't got time for pvp

[upper sparrow]

help hate pvp so much

[finite valve]

pve or GTFO

fact

[ebon schooner]

cause theres 0 incentive to do it seriously

[finite valve]

imagine they add gem into pvp shop

that will be the day we have 24/7 ppl asking pvp question

[ionic magnet]

nice meme

all they can give us is albacore

[finite valve]

so maybe patch note for CN / JP?

[upper sparrow]

tbh it would be good if they add some sub from sub-event only, i miss a lot of ship from that event

[ionic magnet]

wth is gasoline skin

[finite valve]

[upper sparrow]

gasoline skin?

[ebon schooner]

xp buff

thats neat

[finite valve]

imagine everyone having skin before you

sainrui btw

same as nimi

everyone have skin / oath skin while they have shit

[upper sparrow]

nimi have a lot of skin already at least

[zenith tundra]

ranks is how player relate to each others based on score. score difference is what matter for score gains.
if opponent score is higher then yours(or same score but higher rank) but not higher then a certain amount will give base points for that rank (the amount depends on the rank). when u pass the threshold for a bonus u gain base score +1 and so on till max score for each rank that is (base score x 2 -1).
if u attack someone with lower score (or same but lower rank) then u u get less points then base score. it's -1 till a certain threshold then it becomes -2 based on score difference. @celest obsidian

[upper sparrow]

sanrui skin is already a running joke at this point

[ebon schooner]

ive seen some pretty good sanrui wedding skin art

too bad they will never be used

[finite valve]

imagine sanrui have wedding skin before everyone else

Press [X] to doubt

[ebon schooner]

200iq power move

[finite valve]

additional slot added to second floor, up to 6 toons

does this mean only 2 floor will have 6 slot?

lol wtf

[zenith tundra]

when u unlock more slots in 1st floor they are added to 2nd as well

[finite valve]

welp i guess they are still stupid after all

LMFAO

[celest obsidian]

@zenith tundra I see now, thanks

[finite valve]

maybe

since this is from 4chan

dk till we get the patch

hope they are not that stupid

2 floor get 6 slot but 1 floor 5

going to LMFAO if that happen

[vague token]

well

it actually makes a bit of sense

morale for full fleet

is ok

free exp for 6 isnt

[zenith tundra]

@celest obsidian if u want to know the thresholds u can check the mastersheet in this spreadsheet. it's what we know for now
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qcsL0u7Kl1TfF9J2vjwgXy7msNuY-CpLLAaMfKKjPds/edit#gid=0

[finite valve]

the exp is shared across all ships in 1 floor

so either way you still get the same amount of exp even if you only put 1 ship in

so is still doesn't make sense

increase the mouth to feed by 1 does not mean the food will increase with it

simple math really

[celest obsidian]

Looking at amount of work done here, I'm feeling kinda smol with my desires of using machine learning lol. Guess you don't need to invent the bicycle again, glad that I found this channel

[zenith tundra]

if u have any data on scores it's welcome. we are trying to figure out the amount needed for bonuses at lower ranks but need a lot of people to test it and it's also harder since u can only know the score of top 100 players unless u ask them

[gleaming mountain]

How to hit Admiral in pvp? just hit the highest ranking player? do I need to sand bag?

[celest obsidian]

I would like to cooperate also, it seems like you guys now what you're doing better than me. So, I'm willing to send the data, as that spreadsheet you linked me is what I was going to collect by myself.
@zenith tundra how and where can I share my data?

[zenith tundra]

idk what u have tbh if u can put it into a spreadsheet or something would be good

[celest obsidian]

Ah, directly in the spreadsheet, I see. But then I have to ask what should I put in - don't wanna mess your entries.

[zenith tundra]

u do need some sandbagging depending on server. in avrora at least u need more then base score to be able to hit aotn rank. i'm not sure about other servers@gleaming mountain

[celest obsidian]

First of all, how do you discern bonus points from base ones? And, do you enter any match results there, no matter win or lose?

[zenith tundra]

even just a bit early season and avoiding losing attempts / rushing should be enough

[vague token]

the base points are known

at each rank

[zenith tundra]

base points is based on rank

[vague token]

should be on wiki already

[zenith tundra]

it's pinned here

[vague token]

probably pinned too

[ebon schooner]

this tells you

[celest obsidian]

ok, so "points gained" column is base+bonus, right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[celest obsidian]

@celest obsidian if u want to know the thresholds u can check the mastersheet in this spreadsheet. it's what we know for now
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qcsL0u7Kl1TfF9J2vjwgXy7msNuY-CpLLAaMfKKjPds/edit#gid=0
in this spreadsheet

Got it, and what about match result - you're uploading only wins, otherwise there would be no points gained?

[zenith tundra]

losing give no score gain

u just lose the attempt like u never played it

[celest obsidian]

Now it's all clear. So the only problem is to get your opponent score, as far, as I understand. How do you usually do that - add them on friends and ask?

[zenith tundra]

most of the time u just check when they are in top 100 in the rankings

[vague token]

if the defender is top 100, you can look them up

[celest obsidian]

Yep, but the scores of 300-500 are not common for top100 players

Except for the beginning of the season

[zenith tundra]

score improves with time so we collect data from everyone that has a chance to fight a top 100 player and wants to help

the score in that list are for scores before 1050 since after it's 35 score difference for a +1

[celest obsidian]

Got it, whenever I'll see someone from top 100 I'll try to win and record the results

btw, I just noticed that I have "only reading" permission on the document, whom should I ask to solve that?

[zenith tundra]

the data we really need is for early ranks before 1050 score as i said

after +10 base is almost always +35 difference for a +1

[celest obsidian]

So start of the season it is then. rn I'm at 1704 seasonal score, that is way past the mark

[zenith tundra]

yeah early season

about the document should ask cay for permission. it's his spreadsheet but i think he's sleeping now

Cay#5899

[empty grove]

Wtf

200 cap

How many people are even 150 on CN/JP?

[zenith tundra]

maybe cn

in top 100 fleet power highest is 144 on my jp server

maybe older ones have higher players

[silent ocean]

think someone said there was only 8?

[crude mortar]

there is eq upgrade system

does it mean we can upgrade gold torp to rainbow?

[frail orbit]

Perhaps since the quint 610 is there

From the datamine I meant

Either from craft
Or from another event?

[zenith tundra]

it depends whatever they want it to be good or just mediocre. if they actually allow good stuff to be crafted or only the usual stuff. it should still be better the nothing but i'd wait and see what they allow u to make

[ripe latch]

top100
top1000

[forest lake]

Oh ye

What auxes do yall use on Noshi/Buki/Ykkz comp

[upper sparrow]

rudder + oxy torp

well using pearl on noshiro

[karmic forum]

I was wrong about JP/CN not getting uncap

But I will be surprised if anyone gets hq 200 before the game dies.

[zenith tundra]

noshiro boiler oxy/bulge
ibuki 2 oxy or oxy rudder
yukikaze boiler oxy/fe

i have no clue what actually works tho

well with xp being close to 0 after so much difference it would be really hard to reach such a high level without any new cap

[coral wren]

If only subs played some part in pvp, id use surcouf because her new skin will be l2d.
(Interesting if skills showed l2d images during battle).

[karmic lake]

@karmic forum oh u do pvp research as well

[karmic forum]

Thats mainly zack and the others

[karmic lake]

ahh i see

[buoyant parrot]

do we have any datamine shiz for the new ships if good for exercise ?

[zenith tundra]

what do u datamine without any new patch....

ddos al devs?

[karmic forum]

Datamines tonight

[buoyant parrot]

😂

ddos AL Devs = compensation for downtime. I guess that sounds good to me.

[zenith tundra]

wait for cn patch to go up in ~16hrs

[upper sparrow]

russian or north korea AL player do ddos the server for the sake of apologems, nice idea

[shell heron]

Step 1: do builds/rush pvp
Step 2: ddos servers
Step 3: ?
Step 4: profit

[inner zenith]

let me call up my homie vladimir putin

i got ya'll

[crude mortar]

did enty skill doesn't avoid fire dmg?

cuz this week

my enty proc skill but taking fire dmg all time

is it supposed to be like this?

[buoyant parrot]

Guild Updates!!!

welcoming back oldies~ :)

[vague token]

i might have to actually join the guild discord

xD

[buoyant parrot]

lol

well by all means :)

[proper sorrel]

oh gosh

[buoyant parrot]

welcoming Blue and Zackie back should they want too :D

[karmic forum]

10 hour maint right before gensui

Pretty good script this season all things considered

[buoyant parrot]

Guild stufff sooo goood :D yey finally. All i wanted there is the lobby and the raid thingy

[vague token]

10 hour with that many system updates

probably gonna go over

i think ill push tonight

[buoyant parrot]

Guild content soon, not this update so yeah but yeah we are getting it

[coral wren]

Is cn/jp getting guild update this update?

At work so didnt skim notes yet.

[ripe latch]

don't forget do exer before main

think server dropdown after this maint

[shell heron]

sandbag til the end

[crude mortar]

x10 before server down

12h main

[zenith tundra]

are there even that many things for 10hrs?

just a bunch of small events tbh

outside of iris

[crude mortar]

no the system too

and you know

after 10 hour they will fuck something up

and maint again

[sterile bluff]

oh no don't jinx it

im on sandy

remember microlayer?

[crude mortar]

sandy is fine

the problem is avrora

[sterile bluff]

sandy had the longest maint that time

72 hour maint

[ripe latch]

[ebon schooner]

Sandy

[vague token]

it says like 6 system updates

proto shop, jukebox, gallery

are the oh no ones

the rest are like ui or w/e

[marsh bane]

remember microlayer?
@sterile bluff some were able to play regardless as long as we didn't log out tho very lucky

[sterile bluff]

-_-

[shell heron]

to be fair. servers were already acting up before the patch

adding an event on top of it made it worse

I don't have hold on this last match

but if it denies someone a +1

I'll do it

[vague token]

kek

[ebon schooner]

i almost got stalled

lul

[shell heron]

can't be from my team

I changed back to ara ara

[ebon schooner]

i waited until 5mins till reset to do 4 hits

[ripe latch]

enemy torp hit 12/14 , my - 3/14 , not luck

[shell heron]

ah, no I don't cut it that close

2 minutes per match remaining

even if a match goes for a full minute. I'm safe

[marsh bane]

[celest obsidian]

@shell heron Hi, I recently joined the club and willing to help gathering data on your rank score bonuses. I was tild to ask you if I can get a permission to write down my results when I have any, sooo...

[ionic magnet]

wishing well but no swiftsure

what a troll

[zenith tundra]

ofc not

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

why tho

thef

wishing well

[ionic magnet]

oh well ill just get the sub im missing

[crude mortar]

can I throw 10000 diamond into the well and wish for pvp update?

[zenith tundra]

i wanted zeppy from it but i don't know if she is available

[marsh bane]

She is

Hiei-chan was added some time in Feb iirc

Feb 6th, so the other 2 as well

[ionic magnet]

[marsh bane]

Wishing well threshold is March, 19th

[zenith tundra]

not for jp

[marsh bane]

Oh JP my bad

F, April 23rd

[vague token]

only build ships i have left are swiftsure and akagi-chan

[zenith tundra]

i have to get stupid spee or z35. dunno which is worse tho

[vague token]

aka wishing well doesnt do much xD

[marsh bane]

Akagi-chan is wishable on EN

[vague token]

yeah just 1

[marsh bane]

I'd go Spee I suppose

Can't decide, guess I'll do light pool
100% problems

[ebon schooner]

I just need the sub rerun

[ripe latch]

why sub rerun if we get loli ss on merit?

[zenith tundra]

dunno after 8 months of daily heavy no spee i kind of want to see how bad can it gets plus light elites might be just as bad

[marsh bane]

How do you not have Spee tho she was free

[zenith tundra]

who played the account before me didn't like to farm it seems

[vague token]

i missed her first time

i was at 59/60

xD

[marsh bane]

I mean I'm not much better

I somehow forgot to claim Ryuujou the first time even though I did her event

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if they'll add a new cl gun in new french event. jeanne uses twin mounts and there are no twin french guns for cl

[marsh bane]

According to CN patch notes

[ripe latch]

|| seems they need add german event to war archive ||

[zenith tundra]

those french planes

[ripe latch]

paper plane

hm , cn wiki have page event..

0.5%

rip coubs

[zenith tundra]

what?

jeanne is in shop

[marsh bane]

shop for 8k or .5% or drop

[zenith tundra]

drop depends if d3 has anything

[shell heron]

@celest obsidian there is an open sheet for you to record your score/opponent's score and amount of points gained

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qcsL0u7Kl1TfF9J2vjwgXy7msNuY-CpLLAaMfKKjPds/edit#gid=0

[zenith tundra]

tbh i might just farm iris instead if none of the new stuff is good instead of event after all dr bps

[marsh bane]

as long as no map drops 138.6 or anything good i'll just do d3 for points I suppose on french 2.0
Lb spot

[shell heron]

just remember to put your name at the end so we know if it is unrecorded

[zenith tundra]

farming 138.6 with war archives is easy if u have oil to waste

u can do 21-24 sirens in 15 min full auto

[marsh bane]

still shit exp tho

depends on how many i get in the rerun
if its enough i wont bother with WA

[zenith tundra]

my 120 3m ibuki won't need any anyway

[marsh bane]

and do 12-4 instead

[bleak osprey]

How does farming relate to pvp?

[celest obsidian]

@shell heron it seems I'm missing something, there is literally a button saying "view only". However, I can ask owner on google to give the permissions. I'm logged in already

[zenith tundra]

aren't guns used in pvp

or pvp uses special equipment that isn't farmable

[bleak osprey]

There still isn't a need to discuss how or if you're gonna farm them here.

[marsh bane]

[marsh bane]

re pin

[zenith tundra]

without equipment or levels u cannot discuss any strategy since you just lose to the difference of those 2 factors

[shell heron]

ok read only mode has been disabled

[celest obsidian]

Thanks, worked for me. Gonna do my best

[shell heron]

I was the creator so had no idea it was locked

more data is always welcome. especially for the first 6 ranks

[empty grove]

[vague token]

maybe they should change pvp to a general club

it's mostly solved at this point anyways

there's no point in pvp being a strict pvp club, nothing new to change meta still so the discussions end basically in a day

xD

[ripe latch]

discuss winrate fdg namagi

[zenith tundra]

well their point is that there are other channels u can talk in instead which i partially agree with

[vague token]

in which case, conversion to general pvp would make it fine

i basically only hang out here to see if there's anything interesting pvp wise but there hasnt been yet

xD

was really hoping flood bomber would be cool

but it's pretty meh

if only we had a fighter cuda

[zenith tundra]

it would fun if they were to release pvp viable ships like every event or new good equipment

[vague token]

but without being op

xD

[zenith tundra]

problem is that they released so many power creeps that unless new ships are power creeps themselves they stand no chance

[vague token]

maybe a ship that negates buffs

both teams

kek

global silence

[zenith tundra]

might be useful in w13 but u would lose more even there tbh

[vague token]

i mean a ship that negates buffs would either promote cv or pure stats

[zenith tundra]

essex would be worse

enty maybe too

centaur would sill be good

[vague token]

you want barrages with no stat buffs

formidable still could flood

she'd lose avi

enty wouldnt function

no self buff

no barrage

essex would function with flood barrage

but nothing else

[zenith tundra]

a lot of ships self buff to be good

[vague token]

nagato could barrage but no fp/hit buff

etc

[zenith tundra]

that ship would only ever work for defense pvp

u wouldn't use it anywhere else

[vague token]

actually maybe you could use gascan with that

or georgia

flaunt efficiency

no self buffs

i guess gascan has the heal

[zenith tundra]

gascogne in pvp is like why

and georgia still rng

[vague token]

because if you disable enemy/friendly buffs, you become a stat fight

[upper sparrow]

now this channel is lawless no more

[vague token]

aka shelling core stats

[upper sparrow]

miss the old day pepehands

[zenith tundra]

and then both don't really have good shelling overall

[upper sparrow]

[ebon schooner]

[vague token]

or i guess maybe a silence target ship

and it's always fixed position

so you can rotate around it like warspite

[zenith tundra]

it would work for pvp but since this isn't a pvp game no chances for them to ever release a ship like that

[vague token]

i mean, we have a pvp specifically adjusted skill

they CAN do it

xD

it's trash

but it exists

pvp pack with guild update

[zenith tundra]

to change pvp system they would need a lot of work and even if they rework it to make some skills work better it still wouldn't ensure u actually have variety in comps

[vague token]

i mean, they're clearly reworking the other dead system

it's Possible (tm)

in the far future

2 years from now

[zenith tundra]

power creeps would still be power creeps

like fdg tankiness and ws broken barrage are still there unless u specifically want to nerf them

[karmic forum]

Imagine if Uranami's skill was on a backliner

[zenith tundra]

which one?

[karmic forum]

The healing one

[vague token]

isnt ws barrage adjusted already?

or is that just all modes

[karmic forum]

When an allied ship's HP falls to 0: 30.0% (60.0%) chance to heal self by 3.5% (8.0%) of own max HP and other allied ships' HP by 1.2% (3.0%) of their max HP.

[vague token]

it has like a 20% penalty to fp or w/e

[zenith tundra]

that's for everything

[vague token]

oh ok

easier solution would be ship by ship adjustment

like league aram

xD

[zenith tundra]

but that's a lot of work to adjust every ship

[vague token]

easier than core mechanic

it's ultra lazy to just damage penalty/boost ships

[zenith tundra]

is it with 400 ships?

[vague token]

yes?

compared to designing a mode

plus, the obvious first step is to slap over achievers

not buff under achievers

start at the top

go by usage rate

that helps narrow it down

[zenith tundra]

i don't see a change in pvp that would make it better without making it harder for new people

[vague token]

i mean, if you slap the top performers, the new player ships can stand a better chance

xD

they can toss in their hood they were farming chapter 1-8 with

and not instant lose

[zenith tundra]

and then at higher levels it's just too easy

not that it isn't easy since u can achieve 90% win-rate already against best defensive comps

[vague token]

if you're running the meta comps sure

straying out of that knocks it down immediately

[celest obsidian]

they can toss in their hood they were farming chapter 1-8 with

I'm still doing that

[vague token]

that's a lot of hime

[crude mortar]

with without hime

*one without hime

[ebon schooner]

oh hi, thats what ive been using

[vague token]

xD

[ebon schooner]

[crude mortar]

you?

give me your point

[ebon schooner]

lol no

but i use that exact same fleet

[crude mortar]

k

[celest obsidian]

Coolest defense fleet I saw was 4 neptune event ships, all names set to 6-digits referring to some 18+ manga. Absolutely gold

[crude mortar]

im simply sandbeggar

i want point

I beg

[ebon schooner]

same

i need my list to hurry and move

[zenith tundra]

if they want to change pvp they should make it hardcore where defense performance matters and where u cannot reset but that wouldn't be good for casuals that are most players in al

current flaws of pvp are lack of rewards for anything

[vague token]

i mean other games dont have reset and are casual

xD

[ebon schooner]

and the fact you can reset your matches

[crude mortar]

zack then: sleep is overrated ,make it unable to reset cause it to become rng game
zack now:I rather sleep,"ZackFairX | JP-ENToday at 4:11 AM
if they want to change pvp they should make it hardcore where defense performance matters and where u cannot reset but that wouldn't be good for casuals that are most players in al
current flaws of pvp are lack of rewards for anything"

see

character development

[vague token]

pvp lacking rewards has been complained about here since like

club creation

xD

[crude mortar]

he goes from sleep is overrated ,make it unable to reset cause it to become rng game to I rather sleep,"ZackFairX | JP-ENToday at 4:11 AM
if they want to change pvp they should make it hardcore where defense performance matters and where u cannot reset but that wouldn't be good for casuals that are most players in al
current flaws of pvp are lack of rewards for anything"

within 3 months

[vague token]

my suggestion was that they delete the exp per fight and give us exp items in the merit shop

so we can give non-competitive ships exp

without ruining our compositions

xD

[zenith tundra]

xp rewards in pvp are really stupid

[karmic forum]

Being able to stack exp items is pretty broken

[zenith tundra]

but better then merit rewards only since they suck

[crude mortar]

i never lvling in pvp

[karmic forum]

I'm sure devs don't want us to instantly 120 a ship for example.

[crude mortar]

did I do something wrong

[vague token]

there's still the limit break limit

[crude mortar]

I just use 120 all time

[vague token]

it doesnt matter if you hoard THAT many tickets

if you dont have gold to limit break

cause it's a new event

and you arent a whale

xD

[crude mortar]

me after 6 months of playing:

[zenith tundra]

they should just remove the xp all together and give decent merit rewards

[vague token]

it's kinda weird that we get exp

cause the other things that you get from fights

dont trigger

like affection and stuff

[crude mortar]

this game lvling is easy

im used to diablo/ragnarok lvling

[vague token]

it'd make more sense to remove the exp

and give it in merit shop

[ebon schooner]

they should just remove the xp all together and give decent merit rewards
this tbh

[crude mortar]

its not that hard to lvling to 120 on the ship that could mvp

[zenith tundra]

did merit shop ever changed in the last 3 years?

[vague token]

no

this is first update

[zenith tundra]

it's so outdated

[vague token]

soon

[crude mortar]

pvp update time

[vague token]

[crude mortar]

[ebon schooner]

you get albacore now

[crude mortar]

OPEN WORLD PVP!!!11

[vague token]

of all things to add,

[ebon schooner]

good ole loli bait

[vague token]

not even cavalla to make her good

solo albacore is like meh tier

use kms

[crude mortar]

if you were a dev,what ship would you add to pvp if not albacore

me:nagato

[vague token]

something that you can actually use in pvp

literally anything

xD

[ebon schooner]

not a sub

[crude mortar]

i'll put nagato as 100k merit.amagi as 100k merit

here we go

[celest obsidian]

i'll put nagato as 100k merit.amagi as 100k merit
that's... generous

[vague token]

the absolute minimum i would like pr bps in there xD

[crude mortar]

it mean whole game will be nagato amagi x

[vague token]

those are valuable for everything

[crude mortar]

on defense

they should update all the shop altogether

who the fk ever buy these dog shit items

like ever

[zenith tundra]

they could add pr bps for old seasons in merit rewards but how are people gonna whale for research to catch up

[crude mortar]

like why

2020

are you serious?

[vague token]

more like why is there a pvp refresh button

;)

for shop

[crude mortar]

$$$

it cost money

other chinese gacha game also have these option

its called traditional

[zenith tundra]

i didn't even notice that button

[vague token]

i mean who would push it

[crude mortar]

are you really going to buy these?

like cmon bruh

really?

even as new player

[karmic forum]

New players might buy the T3 boxes

[vague token]

t3s are ok

t1s are not

xD

[karmic forum]

I still need purple books every now and then

Even though I never buy anything from the shop

[crude mortar]

are you gonna fking spend 100 stamp for 1 gold?

[celest obsidian]

Yes.

[ebon schooner]

when you first started out, nothing wrong with getting t3 boxes

[crude mortar]

I rather get all those red book

[ebon schooner]

gear matters

[crude mortar]

only one server

in the world

that still need those purple box

is amagi

isn't it

[zenith tundra]

t3 boxes are fine but why t2 and t1

[crude mortar]

clickbait you know?

[zenith tundra]

filler stuff

[crude mortar]

in all chinese game i've known

had clickbait

[vague token]

if we could craft lower tier gear up

would be neat

[crude mortar]

tis

next patch