pvp

[vague token]

or w/e

[shell heron]

whatever happened to bremerton

[vague token]

100% burn rate barrage

special barrage doesnt burn

so

bench

that's why it's "special HE"

meanwhile nagato gets burns on the normal ammo xD

[spare iron]

We need a ship that increases team fire dmg or increase duration of fire

[narrow meadow]

i missed 5 runs on the first day falling asleep after watching anime with my gf ;_; whiffed my good start

[keen sparrow]

azumom will happy if can inc duration of fire

[crude mortar]

inb4 they add new french event first

then jb rerun

watching anime with girl friend

traitor

[narrow meadow]

she's the one who got me into AL tho

[spare iron]

Hmmm, so we have an influx of new PVP due to Albacore?

[crude mortar]

still a traitor

the only defense that could trigger people

im doing fine vs azuma

but my brain slowly losing iq againts these 3

[forest lake]

Onyo

I just lost

Enough memes for this season ig

[shell heron]

good, I switched from ara ara to torp meme on week 2

[keen sparrow]

after get albacore back to hibernate again

[ionic magnet]

feels like theres really so many lurkers here

seeing all these torp memes

[keen sparrow]

i feel bad to expose that

[shell heron]

there was a time when eldridge came back

right after we memed about making a "viable" eld vg

[keen sparrow]

elde kai?

[shell heron]

not before Juneau kai

[keen sparrow]

elixer kai 100% healing

[ionic magnet]

just powercreep juneau already

replace with real waifu material

[narrow meadow]

or... nerf juneau

because we dont need something stronger than juneau in the game

[upper sparrow]

pr3 ship with bloated healing skill

[spare iron]

How would you powercreep Juneau without breaking the fragilr meta?

[crude mortar]

i dont feels like jun is op

im slowly getting cancer by those 3

even if ibuki miss torp on vh

*vg

ibuki torp happy accident on vg dealing like 5k

*main

either it missed from evasion by vg or your vg die or you pray for it to not hit backline

[eager cedar]

[keen sparrow]

buki,noshi,nanoda is scary that buki double torp n crit can kill backline

[crude mortar]

it just hit something

[keen sparrow]

then after that enemy nagato barrage proc

[crude mortar]

and then enemy nagato start proccing

[keen sparrow]

2x

[crude mortar]

u just dont want to see the rest of the show

[keen sparrow]

all vg 40% hp n after nagato barrage proc is time for reset

[eager cedar]

oops

i just refreshed by accident somehow

there goes my +1

[inner zenith]

[midnight heron]

oh no leander disappearing into the fapcave

[spare iron]

If Juneau gets a semi decent retrofit, does that mean we'll get to see her in every single match?

[crude mortar]

you'll see her in every defense fleet

the moment you press attack

you wake up

[vague token]

kek

note that "semi decent" is going to be odd since if she gets defense boosts it becomes more difficult to trigger her heal

[sour oasis]

First slot, against torpedoes, and no bulge. There, instant trigger.

[coral wren]

In about 6 hours we will learn all about the contents for the cn/jp event.

[upper sparrow]

juneau retro with self damage reduction skill

[coral wren]

Juneau with +15% fp, Avi, torp, for flt if destroyed.

[sour oasis]

Juneau loses fleet heal, gains self revival: three times per fight, upon suffering fatal damage, heals herself and the next most injured ship 100%

Juneau is tired of dying for your sins. This time she comes back. With a vengeance.

[light crystal]

Seeing your 20% HP YKKz whittle down the sole enemy ship left, a Warspite at 10%, and finish off said WK with an All Out Barrage is hilarious for some reason

[shell heron]

I am not comfortable being r20 already

chances of bonus points are lower here

[eager cedar]

[vague token]

i havent gotten more than +1 last two days per reset

if that

xD

[eager cedar]

suffering from success

[vague token]

last second push from sp3 i think

[shell heron]

time to look for other sandbaggers

they should be near me

Oh I see Shimarin. wonder if that is a 5/10 score

[karmic forum]

It is

[eager cedar]

ive been tracking both of you

[karmic forum]

I'm tied with Famine and Eryuelle apparently

[shell heron]

you're tied with famine at 1 point above me

[eager cedar]

you slowed down, but shimarin hasnt

[karmic forum]

I got +0 this reset though

[hot creek]

how about top 10 this early https://puu.sh/FMcaV/0cb84dc935.png

[eager cedar]

youre still +6 over me

[karmic forum]

Can't seem to get any +2s

[hot creek]

theres a good chance i wont even get a bonus this reset

[karmic forum]

Usually its just +1

[shell heron]

I haven't slowed down. it was the expected +1 per reset all the time

[eager cedar]

[shell heron]

except 2 good resets with a +2

[karmic forum]

Luck of the draw maybe or are you using your refreshes differently?

[eager cedar]

i guess i cant math then

[karmic forum]

PvP seems a lot slower than it was before

Harder to get bonuses

[shell heron]

I can't predict my 2nd match at all

[eager cedar]

this rusher who i knows rush wasnt rushing

[shell heron]

they might move late or not at all

[eager cedar]

which is annoying

[karmic forum]

I got baited by this guy moving really early on in the reset

[ionic magnet]

pretty normal for 2nd week tbh

[shell heron]

rushers are on and off.

they seem to rush one reset and not the next

[karmic forum]

But he was probably at 7/10 and just wanted to go down to 5/10 or something

[eager cedar]

i can always count on hms donut

[karmic forum]

Thats pretty much what I do when I rush

[shell heron]

looks like this season comes down to gensui bonuses.

everyone is way too close

[karmic forum]

Yep

Fun

[ionic magnet]

the ones on top 100 are p much 0/10 so they can skip 1 reset

except for us sandbeggars ofc

[karmic forum]

I've never had a good gensui rush before

[shell heron]

lets see who gets a +0 gensui reset

[eager cedar]

[karmic forum]

So its probably going to be me

[ionic magnet]

[eager cedar]

oh i can meme floof now

[karmic forum]

I've noticed a few rushers that use their runs every single time

Too bad I either get them at 6/10 or don't get them at all

[vague token]

it's cause last second sp3 rush for tartu

xD

[shell heron]

weird thing is having a lower rank player is not a bad thing at that time

[eager cedar]

ive gotten hms donut, that fire guy, and another moonrunes person who reconnize multiple times

[naive dome]

maybe the rushers just learn to sandbag?

[shell heron]

especially if it's a known rusher

[ionic magnet]

i hate those fake rushers more

do 2 matches then afk til last 5 mins

[karmic forum]

I do that on purpose because I know Famine likes to wait

[eager cedar]

famine likes to cut it close

[karmic forum]

Although I usually start moving about 10 mins before reset

[shell heron]

I cut my losses at 10 minutes

[naive dome]

hey im a fake rushers then, i usually do my first 2 matches in the first 2 hours

[shell heron]

less if I only have 3 matches

[karmic forum]

Edging seems a lot more reliable when you have dev 30 azuma

[shell heron]

or even dev25 would be nice

[eager cedar]

Edging seems a lot more reliable when you have dev 30 azuma
cant relate

[ionic magnet]

im saving 2 attacks for last 5 mins now too

[shell heron]

mine's just hit 23

[karmic forum]

Debating on using a few bps to get her up to dev 25

[eager cedar]

mine is 6prints from 24

[karmic forum]

But shes already ahead of FDG which is annoying

[light crystal]

I usually get at least one +11 per Reset, but 2 days ago I didn't get a single one. I at least made up some ground a day later with 2 +11's on a single Reset. I think that overall this whole season has been a rough one for me. Probably should've been using more Refreshes to roll ppl I feel are more reliable to sandbag from.

[ionic magnet]

hey im a fake rushers then, i usually do my first 2 matches in the first 2 hours
@naive dome for what reason

[shell heron]

that extra chunk of hp sounds worth it

[eager cedar]

is famine and trump still the only ones with dev30 azuma

[light crystal]

I expect to be at 5/6th 10 mins before Season ends at this rate

[eager cedar]

[karmic forum]

I've gotten +2 once and +0 once so my luck has balanced out I guess

[shell heron]

wish I wasn't so stingy with my cubes. I would have dev30 azuma now too

[karmic forum]

I'm probably not sandbagging again after this

Not for a while at least

[ionic magnet]

same

[eager cedar]

[karmic forum]

Unless I move or they make the reset earlier because losing sleep is not cool.

[ionic magnet]

i miss my normie life

[karmic forum]

I just want to hit 2600 and call it a season

[light crystal]

I dont think there's a single person with a Dev 30 Azuma who PvP's on Washington. And even if there's one, 1 out of 10k ppl isn't gonna make a difference, so no rush for me

Must suck being on the sweaty Avrora server I suppose

[ionic magnet]

i want to test against azuma and not with azuma anyways so no prob for me

[karmic forum]

Have you gotten famine or trump yet?

Because I haven't and I want to test

[light crystal]

Fucking Juneau, Noshiro, and YKKZ team get the job done on Attack very reliably anyway

[shell heron]

you find them more at the end

[ionic magnet]

famine once but he was using jun lead so i wanna try again with azuma lead

[hot creek]

I could have a dev 30 fdg right now. or wait approx 12 days and have both dev 30 azuma and fdg

[ionic magnet]

i got trump earlier when rushing so doesnt really count

[hot creek]

hm. say, when does that french event start anyways? might have them even earlier

[light crystal]

How good is Trump anyway? Is his Dev 30 Azuma even that fearsome? Like, Resetting-3+-times-to-get-a-win fearsome?

[shell heron]

between fdg and the 457. I want the gun more

[ionic magnet]

hm. say, when does that french event start anyways? might have them even earlier
in 2 days

[karmic forum]

I got two 457 bps the other day

Now i'm at 40/50

[shell heron]

I saw one this month

[ionic magnet]

2 weeks of nothing for me

and now i cant even do the decent comms cos im saving gold for event

[hot creek]

13 rainbow BP from upcoming rerun, about 2 days saved. Make it 10 days until I finish the rainbow trifecta

[shell heron]

I'm ignoring all but DR projects

[eager cedar]

This does bring a smile on my face

[light crystal]

I bet it's still only +11

[eager cedar]

ofc

[shell heron]

a +2 now means you're really behind

[eager cedar]

hopefully my next list will have some rushers i know

[karmic forum]

Or you get a sandbagger that decides to call it quits

[light crystal]

Or, someone decided to eat +9's for some reason and get his whole stock done asap, u never know

[shell heron]

quitting mid season

[light crystal]

Tho rare, can happen

[karmic forum]

I've seen it happen before

[shell heron]

sounds like reset before patch

[eager cedar]

night raven, hes a rusher im pretty sure

[shell heron]

don't want to risk it

[hot creek]

sandbagger who does an extra match by accident

[light crystal]

Well, shit can happen. Maybe wont have internet/phone for 6 hours or some shit, so might as well get whole stock done

[hot creek]

ive done the extra match by accident one too many times

[eager cedar]

[shell heron]

sometimes that 1 match is the difference between +0 and +1

[eager cedar]

oh cay,

do you still have that pvp excel template thing

[shell heron]

which one? my point reference or the current project?

[eager cedar]

The point reference one

[shell heron]

ah, that's pinned here

[eager cedar]

A template of it?

[shell heron]

oh that. I can DM you it

it's just a basic table with manual inputs

[sterile bobcat]

Who'd be a better backline - Dork/Souryuu/Hiryuu or Washy/SoDak/Enty? I don't have any of the real meta options like amagi, nagato and warkai so I'm planning to go with one of the above setups

[ripe latch]

second week,0 rainbow bp

[ionic magnet]

Who'd be a better backline - Dork/Souryuu/Hiryuu or Washy/SoDak/Enty? I don't have any of the real meta options like amagi, nagato and warkai so I'm planning to go with one of the above setups
@sterile bobcat noone can tell for sure since wasd is outdated and noone uses bunnies
all i can say is if you're not aiming for top 100 or aotn, either of those comps is fine for now so dont sweat it

tho you can still aim for aotn in theory, just needs a lot of resets with those comps

[sterile bobcat]

I don't really care about any specific rank, just want to get merits anyway so as long as I can come up with a fleet that doesn't get its ass kicked half the time its good enough for me

[ionic magnet]

you didnt get amagi?

[midnight heron]

well i feel dat these days solo bb cant cut it anymore cuz if ur vg dies and enemy vg still alive u pretty much dead

[frail orbit]

No Amagi = ded

[ionic magnet]

yea i agree having 2 BBs is much safer with all the warkais around that can easily snipe CVs

[frail orbit]

[ionic magnet]

tho if he's not interested in top 100 or aotn he can just pick and fight the memers for easy wins

[empty grove]

Nice

[ionic magnet]

d30?

[empty grove]

I can actually start saving cubes

[ionic magnet]

[midnight heron]

[ionic magnet]

so how many days was it

5 months?

[empty grove]

Around

Was it the 21st of december?

Disappointed tho

Didn't break 500

[ionic magnet]

time to post in #trophy-room

[shy hazel]

oh

u ppl added more tables

this looks like a real pvp channel now

got lots of maths

[ripe latch]

more usless tables

[ionic magnet]

sandbagging guide when

[ripe latch]

[keen sparrow]

+1 x 5 when

[shy hazel]

oh helena kai

will she be pvp meta again

[ionic magnet]

i will make her meta

[karmic forum]

gz kurumi, now run FDG/Amagi/Ws so we can test

[ionic magnet]

[karmic forum]

Oh shit the stream

Helena kai is finally here

[shy hazel]

@zenith tundra how many ships u missed now

[zenith tundra]

only casablanca

do u plan on coming back

[coral wren]

Famine how many Georgiagun tho

[zenith tundra]

gonna miss a whole bunch of them in the next 2 events tho. not even 200 cubes for both

[empty grove]

Lol

Like early 30s

My luck on that gun is pretty shit

[coral wren]

trick of the trade

[empty grove]

RNG of the trade

[coral wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/712282208513294356/chrome_2020-05-19_14-43-15.png

future guild shop has better shit than Merit shop

how many XX/50 tho

[ionic magnet]

what are those even

[zenith tundra]

... look like improvements but how would those even work if u leave a guild? do u lose them?

[keen sparrow]

so now finaly guild feature

clan battle when

[coral wren]

why would you lose them

[zenith tundra]

so improvements are guild only and don't affect players?

[coral wren]

lul ¯_(ツ)_/¯

it'd be stupid if you lose them if you leave the guild

[zenith tundra]

why would u keep them tho if u aren't in a guild

[keen sparrow]

if leave guild canot open the shop

uni n sandy gt weding skin, amagi n nimi sad

[coral wren]

wait you think +oil/gold/dock limit is tied to the guild ?

idk

[zenith tundra]

so yeah it's just some slight softcap upgrades and temp dock space/equip space

if they are guild related then u need to be in a guild to have them

[coral wren]

ig so

[zenith tundra]

doesn't make sense otherwise

[coral wren]

I mean it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case, but that's just stupid

[empty grove]

Booted from a guild right before an event start so you overflow on ships

[coral wren]

yea

[keen sparrow]

time to find a guild for clan battle

[zenith tundra]

i'll just ask akashi the old fashion way when the time will come

[coral wren]

EN should be getting all those rework right ?

[keen sparrow]

oh wait that in cn, en still long way

[coral wren]

at the end of the day they don't want to be left behind

we get 1 week of break then new french event

[zenith tundra]

that looks beta to me

if they implement it it will be for everyone

so what is that overall:
12k coin cap
2k oil cap
20 dock space
50 equip space
can't make the last 2 out but 1 seems to be players in guild cap and the last one is ???

last one is cat cap

[coral wren]

last one is prob cat

[zenith tundra]

really the only meaningful one seems dock space but it's so small. coin is ok but u would overcap anyway for events

[keen sparrow]

chg cat cap to 20cube better

[zenith tundra]

now what's left to know is how do we get those points

[silent ocean]

prob guild commissions?

or daily weekly missions like complete x amount of w/e

oops wrong chat mb

[zenith tundra]

sounds like al already

boring af

[spare iron]

French Ships getting a full backline and front line. Can't wait for them to show up and be stronger than the KMS

[zenith tundra]

fdg alone is stronger then gasogne and jb together

[spare iron]

Hmm, true but you can say that to almost every other BB

[zenith tundra]

did they announce helena retro? that's interesting

[coral wren]

yea

[spare iron]

Aye. Here's hoping she gets tougher

[zenith tundra]

idk how strong they can make her unless they aim for broken

[karmic forum]

[upper sparrow]

helena retro?

enty-helena meta coming back pogger

[zenith tundra]

not for pvp ofc

[coral wren]

I missed everything. What ships are we going to get?

[eager cedar]

helena kai

and some oath skins which i dont care about

[silent ocean]

helena kai pvp viable?

[inner zenith]

we'll find out 👀

[coral wren]

Luckily i have her at lvl 120 already.

Did i also see a ark royal kai or was that somehow her wedding attire.

[keen sparrow]

helena kai will break something

[silent ocean]

only thing i saw for ark royal was as a nemesis boss type thing

[sour oasis]

Why Helena... Why... Not Prinz or Eldredge or Phoenix or Liz

[karmic forum]

Why not Helena?

[sour oasis]

She's pretty strong useful as is.

[coral wren]

We will make eagle union great again xD

[karmic forum]

Theres room for a refit from a gameplay perspective

[silent ocean]

true prinz def does need one

[karmic forum]

Her buff is good but shes too squishy for W13

[sour oasis]

If W13 is the measuring stick, that would mean most ships need refit.

Someone at Yonshi or YoStar have oathed their Helena.

[coral wren]

Improves skill to be a continuous +40% dmg to enemy flt.

[sour oasis]

That's too OP.

[silent ocean]

it will prob be a defensive skill for herself

[sour oasis]

I would agree with that. Maybe a fleet or fleet-size-dependent defensive buff.

[coral wren]

How about +15% dmg for all eagle union ships.

[sour oasis]

USS having USS Faction buffs?

Dammit, lost track of my Hiryu 🇫

[coral wren]

It would maybe help change around the pvp meta

Then enty gets a retro and her new skill is called grey ghost.... it is basically hiryuus op skill.

[inner zenith]

@sour oasis prinz will get love some day

[past egret]

Aight who watched the live stream

Anything major or no

[sour oasis]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/712288837770149898

[smoky elk]

the infamous L3D Sara

[silent ocean]

mean once enty gets one akagi/kaga wont be too far behind which :^)

[sour oasis]

Ah, goodbye my perfect season. Almost had 1666 (5/10).
(Not 🍖 yet...)

[karmic forum]

Just hit hq120

Perfect timing for uncap

[inner zenith]

nice

[shy hazel]

not really

@zenith tundra

just curious

i tot its worse

im gonna get u kidnapped and cemented into hooloo's room if it gets worse

[ripe latch]

[bleak osprey]

Please refrain from non-pvp discussions in #pvp.

[sterile bluff]

in my defense centaur is pvp relevant

[upper sparrow]

centaur is always relevant on pvp wdym

oh someone must be delete their message

[ebon schooner]

Did the messages get yeeted

[sterile bluff]

yea

like 4 hours of msgs

[coral wren]

I was probably apart of that list xD

[past egret]

[coral wren]

Hopefully we will find out if any of the new ships or retros will be pvp metas.

[ripe latch]

helena kai new meta

[past egret]

We also get to see if any of the French ships are good

[sterile bluff]

honestly I wouldn't get my hopes up too high

last time they released a new ship that shifted pve meta wasss.... before I joined, much less pvp meta

altho I rly want warkai second retro

[blazing scroll]

Nah enty retro is what we need

[sterile bluff]

no

enty bad

enty flat

spite good

[shell heron]

oh man, a refresh 2 hour in because those names look dead

[ionic magnet]

just believe

[marsh bane]

F

[ionic magnet]

mine havent moved too

[ebon schooner]

I got lucky within the first hour, +2

[karmic forum]

My opponents are just standing there, menacingly

[shell heron]

I had to refresh anyways. if none of them move. I would be eating a +9

[zenith tundra]

it's much easier when u are behind ans bonuses barely matter

[light crystal]

Hey guys, imagine if they make it so that only the Top Clans can have access to the most broken ship on the game

[shell heron]

at this stage. I just need at least +1 every reset to not fall behind

[light crystal]

UR Rarity Stalingrad

[shell heron]

which this rest is looking difficult

[light crystal]

An even better Azuma

[zenith tundra]

guild don't seem to matter after change for anything but some qol buffs

it would also be counterproductive for them to lock ships in a casual waifu collector game

[light crystal]

Imagine if they do it anyway

UR Stalingrad and UR Hakuryuu, for best Clans only

[midnight heron]

yea nty i already hated the idea of making strong guilds/groups even stronger in any other game

[zenith tundra]

even with guild operations i don't think they will just force people to join guilds to unlock ships

[shell heron]

That sounds too weird to work. They need to add a ship that can only be used if the player is in the guild

[zenith tundra]

maybe some eauip or other rewards but definitely not ships

[shy hazel]

guilds dont mean crap to pvp at least

[zenith tundra]

if they add some broken reward to guilds like hpfcr it will matter quite a bit

[shy hazel]

by game design forcing ppl to guild for free slots is a mistake anyways

slots go away after leaving guild

[shell heron]

I would expect it needing players to participate in activities to earn it

or players can leech off active members

[shy hazel]

whats Important is

guild war

or at least a guild point based competition

[zenith tundra]

it might just be a timed thing where people can do it within a certain amount of time like war archives but for all players in guild

[light crystal]

How about a UR Ship that's so broken and can only be used on PvP. Ofc, if u get kicked out of said clan, u cant use said ship on PvP anymore, until u join one that does meet reqs

[shy hazel]

doubt

[light crystal]

Guild Version 3.0, coming 2021. Mark my words!

[shy hazel]

unless it requires a very long grind

[zenith tundra]

ur ships hopedully will never exist putside of retros or research

[shy hazel]

pr3 guild version

need whole guild certain faction xx points

time to kick ppl

[zenith tundra]

sounds stupid

plus easily cheesable with player count

[light crystal]

Wanna reach EoS top 20? Need to be part of top notch Clan

[shell heron]

GM kicks everyone out so they're the only one with it

[golden fable]

[past egret]

Why have there been 2 mods here within one day

Shoo from our modless holy channel

[crude mortar]

go build new discord server so you dont have to deal with mod

im in

see like i've said

people ask pvp update

look what they update

pvp is like lowest priority

[zenith tundra]

sounds about right

pvp got albacore

[sterile bluff]

manual realtime pvp when?

[zenith tundra]

u'll have to manual those operations from what the video was showing. no need for manual pvp as well

[crude mortar]

open world manual pvp when

[zenith tundra]

don't want my auto lane to become manual lane now

manual pvp also would be really cheesable

[crude mortar]

im fine with manual lane

manual lane

bb cant land shit

just sidegun

[zenith tundra]

i quit manual lane more then 1 year ago and not going back so less manual is better

[crude mortar]

i play 6 month I manual less than 15 times in my life after 1-3

[zenith tundra]

u would just run torp memes and shoot down backlines in 5s. sounds much worse then current pvp

[crude mortar]

actually more than 15

my first event was swirling and my ship was 100

I manual on d3

boss

[shell heron]

why run current meta when torp meme becomes new meta

[crude mortar]

idk why people cheer for jun

[zenith tundra]

there would be meta just rng

[crude mortar]

buki noshiro yukukaze is clearly way more retarded

[zenith tundra]

because torp just suck for consistency

[crude mortar]

consistency mean it dont win shit

isn't it

defense fleet only cheese matter

[zenith tundra]

and u can win just fine using good vg without ever resetting

[crude mortar]

this is pvp game changer

is it

[upper sparrow]

[elfin mist]

inbefore skill is for ASW - then no

[karmic forum]

At least wait until datamines

[crude mortar]

ROFL ASW

[upper sparrow]

her art improve much better

[crude mortar]

why I forgot

[karmic forum]

Her art seems to indicate another support skill.

[upper sparrow]

inb4 prepared for w14 sub hell

[zenith tundra]

torp vg seems only useful if ur backlines can't wim battle by themselves. with a good backline comp u just aim for more consistency over more vg help with more rng involved

[upper sparrow]

asw matter

[crude mortar]

ibuki deal like 30-50% enemy backline hp if it actually hit

isn't it

[karmic forum]

You're not going to hit enemy backline as often on offense

[crude mortar]

I mean defense fleet

[karmic forum]

my b

[zenith tundra]

helena hasn't been meta since forever. hardly anything now does even do anything at 20s outsode of fc comps. but even then why choose a 60% proc over a 100% debuff like aurora or sirius

[crude mortar]

im slowly losing my iq+eq when my +1 point defense fieed are bukis

retrofit

[upper sparrow]

[crude mortar]

increase chance to 100%%%!!

[zenith tundra]

not gonna happen

then only ship whose skill was buffed was ws and that's an ur ship. every other retro didn't touch og skills

[empty grove]

So

Is Amagi/WS/FDG even worth using without the gun?

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

[crude mortar]

457?

[zenith tundra]

don't think so

not even namagi fdg maybe

[empty grove]

Guess i'll just 1:1 flex on defence then

[shell heron]

When your dev30 FdG is not better than current options

[zenith tundra]

ws amagi fdg is a 1 ws show with her doing all dmg and the ofher 2 supporting

u can try it tbh. pretty sure it wouldn't be bad against namaryuu

[empty grove]

Def or Off aux on FDG?

[karmic forum]

Put it on anyways for us to test

[empty grove]

Since she'd be tanking

[zenith tundra]

just set namagi fdg defense defense

it's fun to fight and lose against and will always stall with amagi defensive setup

double sg works in most cases for 457 fdg with namagi but i dunno with ws amagi. i would use sg rudder since her dmg is not vital and she can just tank for days

[empty grove]

Same thing on amagi?

My Nagato is pretty def already

& I need to push

[karmic forum]

Same

+0 this reset as well

Its all falling apart

[shell heron]

I knew it was a +0 reset

[empty grove]

I actually had a +2

[karmic forum]

Yeah I saw that

Now the scores are reversed

[crude mortar]

i got +2 - +3 every reset

[empty grove]

I pulled someone that pushes with 10 matches a lot

[karmic forum]

Kurumi ahead I'm behind

[crude mortar]

but my first 4day very dead list

[ionic magnet]

+0 here also

[karmic forum]

I keep on hoping I get Eruyelle

But I haven't gotten them once

[shell heron]

We're already top 20.

[karmic forum]

They're a sandbagger but they tend to rush earlier

[shell heron]

I pray for a decent rusher

[karmic forum]

Sometimes I get a list that seems decent

[empty grove]

[smoky elk]

Tosa's main barrage can reach any backline position, from what i witnessed

[karmic forum]

I've had two guys rush but not enough points for +1

[shell heron]

At least I got darkmodp. That person will rush

[karmic forum]

Even though they should have had enough points if we're going by the numbers

[empty grove]

Wow

[zenith tundra]

i was waiting on a +1 and forgot so had to eat a -1 to finish in time

[empty grove]

It's legit one of those seasons

[hot creek]

1 mill merit club

[zenith tundra]

if u didn't say anything about rushing i would've forgot

[empty grove]

So not having gun on FDG

Twin or Triple 406?

[shell heron]

You're 4 points up from me now.

[empty grove]

381?

[shell heron]

I dont like it

[empty grove]

Legit have no idea

[karmic forum]

Lol you got another +2

PvP god

How do you do it?

[empty grove]

I get lucky when I don't pay attention

[zenith tundra]

mk6 has good dmg potential but let me check math for tirple 381

[coral wren]

Luck im assuming

[empty grove]

I've been rushing event on FGO the entire day

[coral wren]

Playing multiple gacha games is painful imo.

[ionic magnet]

5 pts behind again just like last season

[empty grove]

Only if you spend on multiple

[zenith tundra]

the difference is
mk6 715 1071
3x381 706 1051
dps with 50% and 100% shelling

i would definitely use triple 381 over mk6

the difference is not worth the timing loss

[ebon schooner]

whew, this was dangerous, almost lost two attempts

network cut out on me

[empty grove]

So SG & Washing machine on FDG/Amagi right

[ebon schooner]

switch to phone

[zenith tundra]

sounds too defensive but it would stall a lot on defense

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

u would use sg rudder amagi and double sg 457 fdg so amagi can still tank on defense and fdg will carry on offense

[empty grove]

I could just keep HSFCR on amagi

No 457 tho

[zenith tundra]

hpfcr rudder will make some matchups interesting

like namagi ws will have amagi on amagi

[ebon schooner]

oh i have admiral panda, please rush already mr panda

[zenith tundra]

and it should be enough to do good dmg on offense

amagi gear on defense is why i have 2 oathed amagi

[empty grove]

I could do it maybe

After I finish a few 120

[ebon schooner]

comes back to al, still see famine on top

some things never change

[zenith tundra]

with vh rudder she will be a total tank on defense and i can just use whatever on offense

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

and double sg fdg to deal dmg since no one will ever bother focus dmg on her anyway

[storm warren]

I was wondering if i could get some advise on a pvp fleet? As fleet building really isn't my thing. I dont wanna spam chat with pics of my dock, so im just gonna say i have a lot of the event ships ever since sherzo of the iron blood event, a lot of the base game ships up about world 9, and i have south dakota and monarch. Anyone can recomend me something to use?

[zenith tundra]

wfc seems like best choice

or ws amagi hiryuu

[storm warren]

Wfc?

[ebon schooner]

it be easier to just post your dock, or take a look at pins

[crude mortar]

formicentw

[ebon schooner]

warspite, forb, cent

[zenith tundra]

warspite formidable centaur

[empty grove]

Alright lets see how this meme goes

[zenith tundra]

u can check the tier list in pins to see if u can make any good comps. ws amagi hiryuu works even if it isn't in there

how much fleet power u get? can u ss the whole comp?

[storm warren]

My hiryuu and warapite are already really high level. And my amagi is in dorm as well so i guess i can go with that. Would also help me famr sakura xp for pr at the same time

Comp?

[zenith tundra]

i was talking to kurumi about comp

too much fleet tech lol

[storm warren]

Ah my bad

[zenith tundra]

14.2k vg wtf is that double rainbow quint double meme boiler?

[empty grove]

[ebon schooner]

what if you swap out the nagato for ws

[empty grove]

Yeah

Bear & the other gold boiler

[zenith tundra]

ofc

[empty grove]

Gotta flex the music

[zenith tundra]

i don't even use any rainbow tbh

it's too slow on yuki and can be chucked by rudder

[karmic forum]

Bear on defense fleet should be mandatory

[zenith tundra]

but nice fleet power tbh

[storm warren]

Who should i put on vanguard then?

[empty grove]

Wonder if I can break 16k

[zenith tundra]

u want to level noshiro and juneau

[ebon schooner]

slot in a juneau at the very least

[zenith tundra]

azuma works too if u have her dev 20+

[storm warren]

I dont have azuma. Only pr i have is monarch

[ebon schooner]

16k

[mint hornet]

I got matched against famine and he's too stronk. :c

[zenith tundra]

fricking fleet tech

[ebon schooner]

why not flag the ws

[zenith tundra]

that comp changes based on opponent

there is no position fixed

[ebon schooner]

ahh, im see

im too lazy to do all that

[karmic forum]

You won't ever get a bonus from Famine

[zenith tundra]

i usually use ws mid since it does well against nagato comps but u are forced to ws to sides when dealing with stuff like fdg

[karmic forum]

Not without seriously jeopardizing your run

[mint hornet]

yea I saw you guys talk about him before, he usually ends at the very top eos

but also I straight up can't beat his defence lol

[karmic forum]

And if you do get a bonus you're too far behind.

[ebon schooner]

dont try to out sandbag him

[storm warren]

My juneau i have never leveled. But i can put her in dorm i guess. Who should i put as the 3rd vanguard?

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze

[ebon schooner]

youll end up 9/10 or4/10

[zenith tundra]

that's fine

[karmic forum]

Just use your highest levelled vanguards until juneau is a bit stronger.

[mint hornet]

I am but a humble sandbagger until I can hit admiral breakpoint

[zenith tundra]

use noshiro tank and yukikaze off tank usually

[ebon schooner]

why hasnnt admiral panda moved already

[storm warren]

So noshi left and yuki right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[storm warren]

:thum

👍 thum*

Dammit. Xd

[zenith tundra]

u might want juneau tank when dealing with ws teams on defense but she would die too easily now

[empty grove]

Atleast all you're missing is ship levels

[storm warren]

Ye im just gonna put her in dorm for a while. I dont aim to get to top tier pvp status. I just want all the merrit exclusive rewards tbh

[karmic forum]

PvP for albacore?

[zenith tundra]

to maximize merit u'll eventually want to reach top 10 for admiral of the navy rank

[karmic forum]

I'm waiting for a massive PvP patch before doing PvP again.

If they can add stuff to guilds, I don't see why they can't revamp PvP

[zenith tundra]

did u lose attempts this season too?

[karmic forum]

No I'm still good

[storm warren]

Do i use the exact same fleet for offense as defense?

[karmic forum]

Probably won't get 2600 unless I'm lucky with gensui

Use the same to make it simpler for yourself

[zenith tundra]

defense doesn't really matter use what u want

[karmic forum]

You don't exactly have the flexibility to run two PvP fleets

[storm warren]

Okay 👍

[vague token]

you can if one is a meme

;)

[storm warren]

All bulin fleet

Go defense!

[empty grove]

FDG/Georgia/Oklahoma

[karmic forum]

I get it

[zenith tundra]

having a good defense can prevent people from beating u and getting to higher ranks but since there are 3 other opponents they can attack or just refresh list 1 more or 1 less strong defense doesn't really change much

[ebon schooner]

a good defense can stall some poor fool who decided to do their attempts with 5mins remaining of the current reset

[karmic forum]

Use Ookami Mio you you can get the collab flex as well

[zenith tundra]

if the fool is less fool he can just eat a -1 for a free fight

[ebon schooner]

[storm warren]

Thanks for the help

[zenith tundra]

that 16.2k either is a lot of fleet tech or just some meme equip

[karmic forum]

I bet that guy is using Z flags or something

Or maybe two 457s

[karmic lake]

[zenith tundra]

457 is easy to see

[ebon schooner]

Or maybe two 457s
must be nice to use those

[mint hornet]

commander lvl cap is already 130 on cn jp? with it increasing per the livestream?

[karmic forum]

Its 150

[ebon schooner]

i thought it was 150 for them

[mint hornet]

o

[ebon schooner]

en is stuck at 120

[karmic forum]

And its gonna stay there for a while

[zenith tundra]

didn't they announce the change already?

[mint hornet]

huh, the post on reddit translated a screenshot as it going up. might be an error somewhere then

[ebon schooner]

en is getting a cap raise

[karmic forum]

I meant JP/CN is going to stay there for a while

EN is getting uncap in two days

It would be funny if they were secretly storing hp exp all this time

[ebon schooner]

i wonder who will max it out first on avrora

[karmic forum]

Agito was the first to reach 120

The game will sooner die before someone ever reaches 150

[ebon schooner]

im surprised agito hasnt burned himself out already tbh

[zenith tundra]

so salty that comp didn't have azuma and has noshiro. it's too easy without azuma

[karmic forum]

I don't see him on event leaderboards as much

Hes probably just farming story maps or something

[ebon schooner]

gotta hit that 400k attack

[zenith tundra]

not even 1m

[empty grove]

I know he plays AK

[ebon schooner]

man ak, i dont see the appeal in it, its just another so-so kusoge

😔

[golden fable]

And not a topic for this channel.

[zenith tundra]

too easy to win vg without azuma

[ebon schooner]

is that wfc

i see

[zenith tundra]

yes without ws

[ebon schooner]

whos the non ws

[zenith tundra]

it's formie cent and yuki left

[ebon schooner]

oh, i thought you meant you wfc but without the ws

kek

[zenith tundra]

ws died

[ebon schooner]

no no i get that

i thought you were just being checky

[zenith tundra]

too easy to win vg

i could test non azuma vg

[ebon schooner]

shredded his vg

[zenith tundra]

any comp someone want me to test

i'll just mirror vg

this was a mistake

juneau never died

it is double 457 btw

hiryuu can't really tank that much focus

[whole terrace]

can u test & compare to ws amagi monarch

[zenith tundra]

sure

i don't see it going that well

[vague token]

juneau mid is a problem against triple bb

until nagato rolls barrage first shot

then you lose

[vague token]

unless yours also does

[zenith tundra]

easy lol

[whole terrace]

Monarch better tanking ws and fdg i thought

[zenith tundra]

i feel like focusing down 1 enemy is better

and monarch barrage is much better at that

against namagi fdg is better juneau mid usually since lack of focus dmg but if ur fleet is kind of squishy it's always better tank

amagi ws fdg might be best comp with 2 457

[whole terrace]

looking good

[zenith tundra]

curious if full hms does well since no azuma on opponent team

[whole terrace]

so was i but i didn't ask cos it might be too much effort

i still think azuma/noshiro will make a big difference

[zenith tundra]

without azuma seems too easy

juneau dying at 40s lol

maybe that's the strat but opponent azuma will just win vg too easily

that comp also leaves ws too exposed top. i can just snipe her with ws mid

ws bot is the only position for defense

it would be much harder if i have to put ws on ws or trying to snipe fdg instead

[whole terrace]

most ppl are just thinking about defending against namagi

[vague token]

you dont really defend against namagi

just reset if their nagato gets more barrages than you

xD

[zenith tundra]

if it was en sure but jp i would expect people to know that there are more comps then just namagi

plus doesn't really change anything for namagi if it's top or bot ws

it does matter for ws teams

[whole terrace]

for sure

[karmic forum]

I just got a +1 into another instant +1 I guess that makes up for my earlier resets.

[whole terrace]

you're on it this season

meanwhile I lost an attempt yesterday on amagi server, and noticed I was 10 points below cay and famine without missing any attempts

Haven't touched al since

[keen sparrow]

helena kai will come with +100% dmg to enemy fleet

slap cv

[granite flame]

when do we get datamines on the new stuff

like hele kai

[proper sorrel]

when it gets released on CN

[granite flame]

any idea when that will be

or does no one know

[upper sparrow]

[zenith tundra]

after maintenance starts

[karmic lake]

[zenith tundra]

helena debuff skill won't be touched like 99% of the other retros

[vague token]

isnt ws the only one who actually changes their base skill?

sandy gets 2 skills on top

but none to her base

[hot creek]

I wouldnt be too sure of that. Somehow, I get the feeling Helena could be an interesting case.

100% radar proc

[ionic magnet]

i just hope its not some AA memes else she stays in 🚮

[vague token]

kek

she's brooklyn class right?

[ionic magnet]

isnt she cleve class

[proper sorrel]

helena is helena class

nvm

brooklyn

[ionic magnet]

oh yea

[proper sorrel]

[ionic magnet]

lol

[ripe latch]

will steal from st louis aa and add

[vague token]

_>

helena doesnt have the cleve stats xD

otherwise she'd go up a tier

cleve bases owo

[ripe latch]

well someone still play helena + enty

[proper sorrel]

i wonder if it will be in pvp meta

[karmic forum]

Higher chance than other ships but I doubt it.

[past egret]

When I run into Namagi Hiryu I use WASDE Helena Cleve to Deal with it @ripe latch

[karmic forum]

However, if she ends up being strong it could enable some different offensive fleets.

[past egret]

Hoping it’s an Eagle union only buff so meta users get screwed

Push USA back into meta Yostar pls

[ripe latch]

eagle not have solo power bb

[ebon schooner]

hmm, dead list

[naive dome]

what, helena is getting a retrofit ?

[vague token]

we knew it was gonna happen

just didnt know when

[naive dome]

inb4 she get a AA skill

[proper sorrel]

anti air mode

[naive dome]

I mean, her historical retrofit was AA upgrade

[zenith tundra]

makes her better for w13 bossing

[vague token]

i mean if it's like isuzu

would be fine

dr or damage

xD

[zenith tundra]

i hope is like isuzu. that retro made her much better overall

[vague token]

im using china gun

xD

[zenith tundra]

i swapped in between twin 100 and twin 130 based on what i needed. it's still nice she can do 0 surface dmg with twin 100

[vague token]

it's basically do i need aa, use twin 100

otherwise china gun

[sterile bluff]

eagle union bad except one ship

wait

vaulquin is gonna be a real ship?

where?

is

this

skin

😮

oh shit

im in love

why meme 😦

she could be good

[zenith tundra]

uss will be good in pvp when cv will which is pretty much never

[vague token]

i mean is solo cvs even good even if cvs were good

compared to hiryuu?

crit doesnt even work on crash =/

[zenith tundra]

100% crit chance on 80% bombs that hit water

seems good

[vague token]

xD

i doubt they would give her a cv specific buff

she's better as a full team buff

sirius and balti are for cv specific buff

bomb hit water

=/

xD

[silent ocean]

think it will be somthin canny to like port kai?

[zenith tundra]

idk their bomb acc system is so bad they miss on standing targets

[vague token]

if she gets a durability boost she'll probably see use if it's something strong

sirius would be more usable if she didnt fold like paper, aurora has same problem

[zenith tundra]

and -99% max hp to balance it

[vague token]

i was like, i love warspite instant deleting 10 seconds in

or foxes

xD

[crude mortar]

warspite was a mistake

or not

457 was the mistake

[vague token]

if we didnt have warspite namagi/hiryuu would be unstoppable

xD

i love mirror match

[crude mortar]

it existance of the game itself was the mistake

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

order of mistakes nagato>amagi>hiryuu retro>warspite retro>azuma,fdg,457

[vague token]

yep

i think nagato without amagi would be workable just fine

eg ijn would be front loaded/aggressive with no defense

[crude mortar]

there is no mistake

just happy accident

[vague token]

the bob ross of video games

[light crystal]

Y would u label them a mistake lmao

[zenith tundra]

nagato was cancer in jp pvp and then amagi in en pvp. i think cn might had the most balanced pvp

[light crystal]

Simply keep releasing viable shit

[hot creek]

Nagato without Amagi was not that bad. Back then Monarch QE Centaur was HMS meta. On jp of course.

[light crystal]

If there's more viable shit on the pool to be used, then there's gonna be choice

[hot creek]

And HMS still faired well against Nakaga

[light crystal]

Eventually, Yamato will be released. Maybe she will buff Torp DMG instead of AVI

Then u got a choice of which FS to use

Also, Noshiro became viable, because of EVA Rate Up. Imagine if they release another EVA Rate Up versatile ship. There, more choices

[zenith tundra]

i doubt yamato will buff accuracy but who knows

[light crystal]

Or another BB that locks unto one target, there more choices

Etc

[zenith tundra]

if they make yamato buff acc too they literally kill any diversity

[light crystal]

If said mistakes hadn't happened, we'd still be thinking Nakaga was the end all. But then FDG and WK came out.

[silent ocean]

yamato will have a full fleet buff

[light crystal]

So yeh

[vague token]

nakaga could still be countered by non-retro hiryuu

frontloaded damage gets slapped hard by her

you could wasd/hiryuu

and just laugh

[vague token]

that was fast

[zenith tundra]

jp had no washy so no counter

[vague token]

xD

[hot creek]

Well Yamato would just replace Nagato I assume, like irl and for balance. But then again Im not one to underestimate ijn bias here.

[zenith tundra]

i actually doubt yamato will replace nagato for pvp. all ijn bb released recently are barely viable in pvp

[ebon schooner]

i see no problem there

[light crystal]

I never used Nakaga. I used Namagi and Hyuuga. Then Taihoe came out, so switched to her. Then WK came out, so I switched to her instead. Now I got the choice to use FDG or stick with WK, both viable

But I like WK, cuz she locks unto one target, and that's nice

[crude mortar]

large bb

[past egret]

Who ever sent that Vaquelin image that made me so happy knowing she will come with the new french event

[zenith tundra]

wasn't she 1st announced ship of new event? like some days ago?

[hot creek]

yeah lol.

[past egret]

News never got to me

[ebon schooner]

reading is hard i guess

[dreamy blade]

Would be interesting if the meta shifts (even if a little) as a result of some of the mooted reworks to old SRs though

[past egret]

ENSyndrome

[dreamy blade]

Decided to stop lurking since nobody is moving on the Sandy ladder

[ebon schooner]

im still convinced entry is going to get a kai

[zenith tundra]

meta will change with maxed pr2

[vague token]

just wait until fate sim pr2

only pr2 time

xD

and juneau

[ebon schooner]

thats sounds like aids

[dreamy blade]

1k DR prints

Oh god

[shell heron]

imagine the cost of DR fate5

[vague token]

juneau/amagi and pr2 friends

[past egret]

PR3 introduces DR ship with bloated Juneua skill

[ebon schooner]

pr3 gonna be non main faction ships

[zenith tundra]

outside it doesn't really matter. maxed fdg and 457 add more diversity in viable comps over current namagi+hiryuu/ws en meta

[ebon schooner]

that be nice

[past egret]

Italy Russia France HMS IJN is my guess

[ebon schooner]

ijn cause ijn bias

[vague token]

just waiting for midway

[past egret]

HMS because they never got one for PR2 and IJN because it’s popular

[vague token]

armored eagle cv

[ebon schooner]

not that i mind

[past egret]

@vague token gotta get past the 23 remaining Essex classes first

[crude mortar]

think about it helena already good in pve there is no reason new retrofit to buff her pve performance