pvp

[empty grove]

Avoid non DR face

[sterile bluff]

ok

[empty grove]

You'll double over before you dev 30 both anyway

[sterile bluff]

so only ever go for faces of the ships u r focusing on

[frail orbit]

^

[sterile bluff]

fuck alright

[coral wren]

how many 2x 457mm do you have Kurumi

[empty grove]

Lol

30/50

[coral wren]

😮

With all my money and my brain, i could become millionaire....or i can get dev 30 fdg and azuma....
Hard to decide.

[sterile bluff]

what

[empty grove]

I'm surprised I even hit 30

[sterile bluff]

how is that possible

[frail orbit]

Basically

[coral wren]

im 35/50 but i have dev25 FdG

[frail orbit]

U sacrificed gun BPs

[sterile bluff]

im only like 10 behind u and i researched pr2 for like a month

[frail orbit]

And any eq bps

For huge amount of ship bps

For coobs rtse

[karmic forum]

Hes still on good pace for 457

[frail orbit]

Othet than wewll

Coob n coin rese

Too sleepy tbh yo type

[empty grove]

G is good for equipment

[sterile bluff]

ok how tf do i have like 20 457s in 1 month and no DR ships

what is happening to my rng

[steady temple]

how is that possible
pick good PR2 projects

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

no i mean like

how does he have so few 457s

[coral wren]

Q-3XX and H blue

[frail orbit]

Buu H has better drop of BPs

[coral wren]

[sterile bluff]

i already have 2/3rds of his 457 bps

[karmic forum]

You probably waste a lot of research time by taking C-series and not maximizing time spent researching.

[sterile bluff]

but he is wayyyyyyyyyy ahead of me for DR bps

[frail orbit]

C series is a waste of time, yes

[empty grove]

Because H doesn't drop equipment

[frail orbit]

Unless u schleep then no point to actually do C series

[sterile bluff]

so what's harder? d30 DRs or 457?

[karmic forum]

Even when I sleep I would rather take G-412 over 6hr or 8hr C

[empty grove]

[coral wren]

:thon

[sterile bluff]

to me 457 seems 1000000x easier than d30 DRs but for other ppl that's apparently not the case

[karmic forum]

Well maybe not 8hr if I actually sleep in.

[empty grove]

I mean

[frail orbit]

Personally am still open to use C series
But only when I wanna sleep

If no C series then just G series hic

[empty grove]

You can argue RNG on the 457, but in general getting a DR should be harder

[frail orbit]

I meant if sleep

[coral wren]

DR BPs are available in shop and future BPs exchange

[karmic forum]

6hr C is the largest waste of time

[sterile bluff]

how much harder than 457?

[coral wren]

457mm is not

[empty grove]

Yeah

That's the RNG argument

[karmic forum]

I'd rather take literally any other research than 6hr C

[frail orbit]

Well am sleeping for 6-8 hours

[karmic forum]

Even PR1 researches

[sterile bluff]

so when should u have ur d30 DR? at 1.5 457s, 2 457s?

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

[coral wren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[empty grove]

It's all RNG

[sterile bluff]

i need answers

[empty grove]

Not worth calculating

[frail orbit]

Too lazy tbh which perhaps why mine worse than yours shima keks

[sterile bluff]

i am desperate for research

[coral wren]

just don't do shitty research

easy as that

[sterile bluff]

i don't

lmfao

i do all the best ones

according to the tierlist

[karmic forum]

I waste a lot of research time by not waking up in the middle of the night to research

[sterile bluff]

and i also wake up at night to do research

[karmic forum]

You really do have to sacrifice sleep if you want to optimize it

[zenith tundra]

depends on what research u do. if u use cubes 457 is harder, if u don't use cubes dr are harder.

[frail orbit]

Which is why am just taking it ez anyway

6 months at best

[coral wren]

Oh wait, messed up math.
90 blue research runs = 80 USD
300 gem ÷11 cube = 27.2727 gem per cube.
80 usd = 7400gem
7400 gem ÷27.2727 gem = 271.33 cubes
271.33 cubes ÷ 3 (used for research )= 90.44 runs.

[frail orbit]

Still want my sleep so

And muh KFC

I meant the chicken

[sterile bluff]

ok idk wtf is happening to my DR bps tbh

if i do a little bit of cube

maybe like 1 3hr H a day

[frail orbit]

Just pray u got spammed godprojects

Like me

[sterile bluff]

fkin hell

i don't

[karmic forum]

Cubes do give a lot of DR bps

[zenith tundra]

without cubes for me it was like 4/5 done dr when i got 457 but that is without considering extra bps from cubes

[karmic forum]

You'll get a lot if you keep on doing a couple of H researches here and there

[sterile bluff]

i wonder if 1 3hr H a day will even make a difference

that's all i can manage

i still need cubes for events cuz im a noob in desperate need of meta shipus

[karmic forum]

Its a bit rough if you're low on cubes. Don't expect to have a lot of DR bps if you can't take them regularly.

[frail orbit]

Unless u PVE and for flex

Dont ever

Expect

[midnight heron]

bruh 20 457 bp in 1month tf? i been doing since pr2 release and i havent even reach 30 lul u got extremely lucky

[frail orbit]

U got ships

[sterile bluff]

so is 1 3hr cube a day gonna make a difference or should i just not bother?

[frail orbit]

Remember ur dock

And your. Place

[sterile bluff]

bruh 20 457 bp in 1month tf? i been doing since pr2 release and i havent even reach 30 lul u got extremely lucky
@midnight heron that's the thing... and guess how many DR bps i have?

[frail orbit]

Unless u whel hard

No point

[sterile bluff]

my rng is weird as fuck

[karmic forum]

It will make a difference over time compared to taking 0 cube researches over time.

[frail orbit]

Unless u like Raion or Kurumi

No point

Am too sleepy now

[karmic forum]

But you're still going to be a long ways away

[frail orbit]

Time to schleerpp

[midnight heron]

cant guess cuz mine is shit

[sterile bluff]

i must rush >:(

kurumi gave me hope again

[frail orbit]

U are too late anyway

But goodluck

[sterile bluff]

noo!

there's still hope

[coral wren]

Famine giving hope ?

[sterile bluff]

I won't give up

i can still get my d30 DRs

[frail orbit]

Am no famine

Nor pestilence

[coral wren]

I have the power of no gf, wife, kids, dependents, friends, pets, plants or house maintenance...or life.
This means i have a lot of money to spare in bp hunting.

[sterile bluff]

lucky u

i still need to pay for uni

fkin hell

can't 🐳 too hard

i wonder if i'll ever catch up if I don't 🐳

[coral wren]

I paid my uni like in 2012

[sterile bluff]

my uni is expensive af

[coral wren]

But i only did 1 year.
Which uni you go to?

[mellow knoll]

#off-topic

[sterile bluff]

it's in north america u probably don't know it

[coral wren]

After i paid uni, the flood gates opened for me being a whale.

[sterile bluff]

oh no

im so sry

[mellow knoll]

[sterile bluff]

plz don't ban me

i love this server

[coral wren]

Also

[frail orbit]

What is uni when u got WFH

[coral wren]

My debt will be caused by low rng on bp farming using cubes bought with usd. I want to be strong in pvp.
Or al least top 10, or maybe at least catch up with kurumi with his dev 30 ships e.e

[sterile bluff]

same

as a noob i just wanna catch up

but the game mechanics make catching up such a cancer

[zenith tundra]

the only pr ship u really need in pvp is azuma. all the others can be replaced one way or another

[sterile bluff]

who replaces fdg?

jean bart?

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu can still beat any meta comp

[coral wren]

Funny thing is....now i think about it.
Being married to this game is probably cheaper than actually being married xD.

With that being said, does marrying ships increase stats in pvp?

[karmic forum]

Yeah, the game can be pretty rough if you started late

You'll always feel behind.

[sterile bluff]

they should make it so u can do one research per PR season

that solves all problems

simultaneously

that way no matter how many seasons they release u can always continue at the same pace

[zenith tundra]

doesn't really change that stuff like amagi and ws are around being broken as fuck

[sterile bluff]

i don't have sword

no warkai for me

warHK is doing pretty well tho 😄

[coral wren]

Warhk?

[sterile bluff]

war half kai

every node up to modernization

[coral wren]

Oh increase stats without modern

[sterile bluff]

ye

it's pretty good tbh

the stats r rly good

[coral wren]

I did that to mine in my amagi account for pvp

I wasted 110 usd on amagi account and dropped it for now xD

Could have used on my avrora account to get fdg and azuma quicker.

[sterile bluff]

oof

[coral wren]

That would equate to 123 cube researches e.e

[sterile bluff]

so is warspite the best BB/C in pvp?

[karmic forum]

Shes probably at least top 2

[frail orbit]

Need kai

[sterile bluff]

ye im talking about warkai

[zenith tundra]

depends what u mean by best... broken yes needed no

[sterile bluff]

best just means the best

[frail orbit]

If u talk needed

[sterile bluff]

numba 1

[frail orbit]

Then my wife

[light crystal]

WarspiteKai = High end Unicum BB player in WoWs

[zenith tundra]

technically speaking juneau and yukikaze are the closest to always used

[frail orbit]

Juneau a must anyway

[karmic forum]

Juneau is the true queen of PvP

[frail orbit]

But my wife best protection

[light crystal]

Juneau is not needed. Clashes in certain comps. Helps make most comps easier tho

[frail orbit]

Got high quality ||condom|| protection

[zenith tundra]

some comps actually do better without azuma vg. like ws monarch amagi kill ur backline before juenau even sinks because stall only vg with neptune juneau yukikaze

[sterile bluff]

so is ws better than fdg?

[zenith tundra]

the thing is fdg can do ws job. ws cannot do fdg job

[frail orbit]

^

But well

PvP being PvP

Ggez

Offense buff no joke anyway

[sterile bluff]

fdg can do ws job?

[frail orbit]

Snipe 457 da wae

But well

U have wakai then 457 wakai

[sterile bluff]

lmao ye

[zenith tundra]

dealing dmg for sure

[sterile bluff]

fdg deals more dmg than warkai?

[frail orbit]

Also barrage

[light crystal]

I dont think FDG can do Warspite's Job. FDG doesn't snipe, just clutters with Barrages and strong alpha, but not kill shots

[frail orbit]

On crit u already have seen that

RNGesus with snipe but hey

[light crystal]

FDG is strong cuz suite of skills

[sterile bluff]

but fdg's barrage is pretty meh tho... her strong point is her shells

[zenith tundra]

it's the only ship that can reach 30k+ consistently outside of ws

[light crystal]

But Warspite only has one job she's very efficient at.

[frail orbit]

1 shot only already nice chunk

And wakai cant do barrage keks

[light crystal]

FDG can spew out strong barrages, do strong volleys and has tanking skills. WArspite just makes sure her one target dies lol

[frail orbit]

And u want all of em ded

Enemy ship cant hit once it dies anyway

[sterile bluff]

ehh fdg barrage seems pretty meh

her main thing is shells

[light crystal]

There's a reason why pairing both Warspite and FDG is a thing. Because both bring something to the table lol

[meager dawn]

if fdg's barrage isn't meh she'd be more op than she is

[light crystal]

They're efficient killing machines.

[frail orbit]

And here we're not for fleet comp

[sterile bluff]

imagine fdg with ws barrage

[frail orbit]

It's just a comparison

Not fleet comp

Obviously fleet comp wise just well
Mix Wakai FDG and voila

[sterile bluff]

so who's better fdg or ws? o_O

[frail orbit]

Add my wife too

[light crystal]

Either way. I want 457 to counter FDG's with WK on Defense.

But getting 457 gonna take a hot minute. Only 29 atm lol

Is FDG put on FS in JP?

[zenith tundra]

i think fdg barrage is broken enough in it's way. 1s fdg barrage and fire + 10s ws barrage + 15s fdg 2nd barrage and ws 1st shelling with 457 is one of the highest damage combo u can have

[frail orbit]

Get luccsacc and get spam Godprojects

Like me

[light crystal]

Imma dread not being able to consistently snipe FDG's dead cuz ppl put them on FS

[sterile bluff]

like fdg barrage is good don't get me wrong but compared to shit like divine marksman monarch's coercion BSS or HBB it's still way off

cuz fdg isn't barrage focused

[zenith tundra]

no fate yet. i would guess it's gonna be out once pr3 is out they will put fate for pr 2

[frail orbit]

Just be grateful that pr3 wont hit EN asap

[sterile bluff]

i am VERY grateful for that

[light crystal]

I doubt EN is getting Fate 2 for PR3 release on CN/JP

[meager dawn]

hyuuga kai, tosa and fdg

[light crystal]

Too soon imo

[frail orbit]

^

[meager dawn]

vg gets close they get nuked

[frail orbit]

Tosa is just a knock off anyway

Of H39

[sterile bluff]

bruh

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga misses quite a bit. fdg barrage doesn't really deal dmg and tosa could hit some of her close barrage if flagship but don't expect amazing dmg

[frail orbit]

Tosa basically some IJN who's actually a Murican spy anyway

PVP meh, PVE gud

But not for well w12 and up

[sterile bluff]

why not?

[zenith tundra]

i used amagi in w13 and nothing happened. not like ur fleet dies because 1 ship with low aa. she was also dying after the 2 cv on the sides from aa

[sterile bluff]

when u realize monarch actually has shit AA but does good in w13

[zenith tundra]

against a namaryuu

[sterile bluff]

bruh

[zenith tundra]

40k looks really cool

[sterile bluff]

why is ws sleeping

again

[frail orbit]

AP barrage keks for Monarch

[sterile bluff]

did her barrage miss?

[zenith tundra]

ws with triple 381 seems to be not so op

[sterile bluff]

triple 381?

[upper sparrow]

monarch gun

[sterile bluff]

ye that's triple 381

[frail orbit]

This is why just 457 wakai

[upper sparrow]

4head

[sterile bluff]

also tbh im not a huge fan of monarch's barrage

cuz of the pattern

[zenith tundra]

or 457 fdg and have her carry

[upper sparrow]

just slap both of them 457 lmao

[zenith tundra]

if i had 2

[frail orbit]

U whel for that

[upper sparrow]

[sterile bluff]

2 457s lmfao

[frail orbit]

457 is whel privilege

[sterile bluff]

what is whel...

i am uncultured

[zenith tundra]

27/50 on 2nd

[upper sparrow]

is not whale privilege for bp only tho

i mean pr bp

u cant whale cube on equipment bp

[frail orbit]

Coins tho

But well

[upper sparrow]

f2p player can do that

like me

[zenith tundra]

u don't need to whale coins for research tho

[frail orbit]

Ye ikr

[sterile bluff]

gear research is mostly plates which u can't whale for

[frail orbit]

Just me too sleepy

Zzz

[upper sparrow]

and just get lucky with event ship, so u can do coin pr all the time

[sterile bluff]

but ship bp is a different ball game

and just get lucky with event ship
nice joke

[keen sparrow]

is time boys for HMS rise

[sterile bluff]

HMS is always OP

[zenith tundra]

i did cubes right after event started because couldn't afford coins

[keen sparrow]

Queen RETRO now!

[sterile bluff]

it's my favorite faction UwU

[keen sparrow]

nagato now is down

time for queen to change meta

[sterile bluff]

[keen sparrow]

back to old hms now

[frail orbit]

FC da wae

[shell heron]

Nagato nerf was on purpose. They're prepping us for QE retro

[eager cedar]

Oh god

[shell heron]

The time of IJN is over. HMS superiority begins now

[zenith tundra]

so they can nerf her too

[eager cedar]

Fix her art

[zenith tundra]

qe buff self with retro

[shell heron]

[zenith tundra]

fix art by replacing it with an empty wall. it would look better

[meager dawn]

QE kai with the broken buffs

for her self

[keen sparrow]

[ionic magnet]

QE is the only loli who doesn't look cute

even bache is better

[zenith tundra]

idk i find bache just as bad tbh

[ionic magnet]

both 🚮 but one is worse

[eager cedar]

Both are gross

[keen sparrow]

time for me to run from waifu war talk

[zenith tundra]

more like an anti-waifu talk

[keen sparrow]

imba nagato nerf is just for yamato come

yamato will top ijn

[zenith tundra]

i bet yamato will be worse then nagato for pvp

[eager cedar]

Don’t lolifi yamato

That’s all I ask for

[zenith tundra]

better loli then a thicc hag

[keen sparrow]

why not fusion all

[ionic magnet]

as long as shes not a monster like taihoe im good

[keen sparrow]

[zenith tundra]

more like if she doesn't look like monarch is fine

wouldn't mind someone like hiei tbh

[keen sparrow]

mona to many strugle

[vague token]

id like someone that is tall and fit

like majestic maybe

not just oversized

a cool beauty so to speak

xD

[keen sparrow]

i want v2.0

[zenith tundra]

rip discord?

there are actually very few non thicc non loli ships. wouldn't mind more stuff like noshiro or hiei

can't send a message....

[ionic magnet]

[keen sparrow]

im only oath coz she so fun

discord lagging

[vague token]

[meager dawn]

oath

[sour oasis]

Oath a DD? Is this #pvp??

[zenith tundra]

aren't people free to oath whoever they want....

[meager dawn]

oath nanoda yes

[ionic magnet]

oath for stats

[meager dawn]

[keen sparrow]

retro will break pvp

[frail orbit]

Preferred Amagi archetype

Good wife, silk hiding steel
Refined yet a wildflower

[crude mortar]

what nagato nerf

did I miss something

[frail orbit]

Nagato cant buff CV BBs

Only herself

[crude mortar]

in pvp?

[zenith tundra]

they bugged her buff target

[crude mortar]

or all time

[frail orbit]

Everything

[ionic magnet]

yea shes working as intended now

[crude mortar]

its bug?

[zenith tundra]

she only buffs herself

[frail orbit]

Imagine oath for stats

[zenith tundra]

the skill specifically says ijn ships so yes it's a bug

[frail orbit]

Am not even oathing Jinkai koz sorry
Not wifey type

Preferred Mamagi or Azumommy

[keen sparrow]

hiryu n amagi no more bonus reload n acc now

n no 20% ijn cv dmg

[crude mortar]

did they announce new update yet

[empty grove]

Just oath everyone

[vague token]

whale 100 copies of cleveland like that one guy or w/e

[empty grove]

There's that yuudachi guy as well

I remember a tweet of those guys meeting irl, had the phones, both with a full page of same oath

[lapis bolt]

[ripe latch]

[sterile bobcat]

Would Belfast/Juneau/Saint Louis be an ok vg?

[ripe latch]

saint juneau yuki

[light crystal]

Sounds fine to me.

[sterile bobcat]

And how about Washy/SoDak/Enty backline?

I believe its kinda outdated but at least its in the base game, I'm prolly not gonna get amagi if my current bad luck continues so the meta namaryuu backline isn't really an option

[shell heron]

it's a little slow, but with the current naganami meta nerfed because of a bug

it's usable

[light crystal]

These numbers are interesting. This was against a Warspite/Monarch/Juneau user. It tells me Noshiro doesn't really need to rely on Nagato to do damage. And that Sugura's barrage is not bad at racking up damage.

[shell heron]

Noshiro def benefit from Nagato for reload and acc on torps

but preloaded torps damage is still big

Azuma suffers a little more because she loses also the FP buff

This bug is a little bad, does it make matches any harder? No

Does it make matches last longer

yes

[past egret]

@ripe latch I found him today too!

Didn’t attack though

The 120 tosa user

[ripe latch]

but tosa trash

scroll to up and found zack post

[past egret]

He was on the right of my list so no points to be had

Also what up with zack post

The 40k German Engineering damage results screen ?

[abstract cypress]

did ppl use cuda bomber

just realized this thing exist

bad bomb but buffing things

[shell heron]

bad bomb
There's your answer. What point is a minor debuff when the bulk of the damage is on the bomb

[vague token]

bomb damage
crash damage

[shy hazel]

jihad damage

[zenith tundra]

from my tests with tosa even with nagato buff bugged i can say it's pretty trash at least in jp meta. i cannot beat amagi monarch ws defense or namagi fdg. tosa really doesn't do anything outside of dmg. her tanking ability is non existent and her damage is not aimed good enough to have any kind of impact. the only comp it seems to do well against is namaryuu
he means this one @past egret

[vague token]

imagine someone got a summon jihad skill

xD

[zenith tundra]

one thing that crash dmg doesn't do is kill vg. on paper 831 db has better dps then helldivers due to crash dmg. in practice u do so little dmg to vg that it just drags fights more, at least for hiryuu

[vague token]

it isnt suitable for hiryuu since she wants full vg wipe

it's better for other fleets so they can add more main pressure

[coral wren]

So is tosa good for pvp

[zenith tundra]

i'll test again when nagato buff is fixed but for now not really with namagi against anything that has focused damage

[coral wren]

what happened with nagato buff?

I actually haven't seen tosa's skills yet

[zenith tundra]

she only buffs herself now. they changed her buff targeting for whatever reason

[coral wren]

(cuz I never pulled her)

Oh wtf

I didn't notice

I've been using enty

[zenith tundra]

i didn't notice either.... that's how important it is

[coral wren]

So very important

My luck with this banner is shit. I really wish they released her on a separate banner

my Naga can't even kill azuma with her barrage

am I using the wrong gears?

vs fdg,war,amagi

[zenith tundra]

nagato doesn't really kill azuma easily. azuma hp is really high

[coral wren]

Fdg ironically dies faster than azuma during this fight

thanks to war sniping

I still don't notice the buff problem

Tho I prefer using enty than nagato

[zenith tundra]

fdg has low luck and evasion. unless u use evasion gear her ehp is not that high

it's barely noticeable tbh. it's mostly the acc buff since fp is a low buff

[coral wren]

azuma is just super hard to kill unless I use enty to nuke her hp

so far, owarida has been effective whenever I'm facing her team

[zenith tundra]

was opponent vg fast?

[coral wren]

not really

June is slowing them down

my enty is also equipped with sworfish

They are easier to get blasted by lucky E and amagi barrage

[zenith tundra]

she is much more of a problem the more speed u use. with 4 speed items she can reach backlines with 70%+ hp on offense

[coral wren]

I just reset when azuma doesn't die from initial strike

on top of being tanky, she dodge shit like yukikaze

It's like I'm dealing with 2 evasive assholes

maybe just a few more weeks and peeps will finally max their azumas and fdg. Idk if my torp meme can survive this era

[zenith tundra]

time to use own azuma then

[coral wren]

Another one

I'ma try again with nagato

2 barrage and almost got mvp

Hi guys I need you help again

[zenith tundra]

with what?

[coral wren]

Got this plane for the second time wich ship should I give that

Centaur has it allready

[zenith tundra]

is formie stop synced with centaur airstrike?

[coral wren]

???

What do you mean

[zenith tundra]

u want formidable to launch airstrike like 1-1.5s after centaur so she can stop opponent vg so centaur can hit it better

[coral wren]

Yeah

[zenith tundra]

if they are synced already u might not want to mess up with planes anymore

i don't think using vf-17 over other fighters is worth if they are no longer synced

[coral wren]

What would you recommend then

[zenith tundra]

if with ur current setup they are synched just don't change anything

just noticed levels... just put the 2nd vf-17 on centaur then tbh i don't think it matter that much at that level if they are synced or not.
my bad for not paying attention (was playing something)

[loud otter]

is juneau suppose to die first in pvp?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[loud otter]

so the lower her level is the betteR?

[zenith tundra]

at level 120 u don't want juneau under leveled because she dies too fast and then her heal is wasted

[loud otter]

ahh i see i see

[zenith tundra]

u want her to die around 15-25s

[loud otter]

should she be wearing some eva gear? or rather is there a page that shows pvp gear for meta units?

[zenith tundra]

before that is wasted heal. after it might be too late

there is a tier list in pins

[loud otter]

im on the tier list right now but where is the gear here?

oh its at the bottom

[zenith tundra]

generally u don't want evasion on her. bulge and boiler is best setups

yeah there are pages for vg and backline setups

[loud otter]

is laffey the top

or is she bottom

[zenith tundra]

for vg usually they are categized as
tank leftmost/bottom, off tank rightmost/top and mid

[loud otter]

so in this case laffey is considered tank

[zenith tundra]

yes

[loud otter]

so azuma would be slotted in where laffey is

[zenith tundra]

yes and no. some matchups are better with juneau tank some other are better with juneau mid

[loud otter]

well according to this

azuma would be bottom, where laffey is

[zenith tundra]

generally i go like this: if opponent is using ws then i would use juneau tank otherwise juneau is fine mid

[loud otter]

wats ws???

[zenith tundra]

warspite retro

[loud otter]

o

is the defense the same as the offense for setup?

[zenith tundra]

for vg u want juneau mid always tbh

for backlines u can consider what u want to screw up most

[loud otter]

what do you mean screw up most?

[zenith tundra]

u can for example not allow opponent warspite to 1st snipe amagi top and then hiyuu bottom easily by placing hiryuu top with defensive gear. if opponent goes for hiryuu 1st it's gonna have a hard time killing her. if it goes for amagi then it will have a harder time dealing with hiryuu later on since will be the last warspite targets

[loud otter]

ah i see

i see i see

[zenith tundra]

other example once fdg is available is like focusing fdg and ws on 1 target. this will make it harder for any comp without a tank

[loud otter]

i see, question

is azuma viable dev 20 in pvp

or too low hp

[zenith tundra]

she is fine at dev 20

it's not that strong without nagato but still better then almost anything else

noshiro and ibuki are other that can still be better

[loud otter]

they're better? hmmmmmm i see i see

[zenith tundra]

noshiro helps a lot against torp comps and her dmg is good overall so she is better. ibuki can be better with good rng or pairing her with noshiro

[loud otter]

and juneau and yukikaze are like a must have?

[zenith tundra]

some teams work without either like juneau ibuki noshiro or noshiro x yukikaze. generally they are the best vg u can use

[loud otter]

azuma noshiro yukikaze? will that work

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze buff is always relevant especially against warspite and juneau heal is best thing for consistency teamps

can't say i tried that

don't really know how good would be tbh

[loud otter]

probably wont work as u get higher up

[frail orbit]

Am personally running Jinkai Yuki Noshi

If for torpmemes

[loud otter]

is it hit or miss

[frail orbit]

Nice but
The lack of Juneau is killing me sometimes

Pearl on Jintsuu keks

[loud otter]

[zenith tundra]

someone is using azuma noshiro yukikaze but don't really know how well it does overall. it should be fine at least till 457 and fdg become common

[ripe latch]

laffey on pvp

[zenith tundra]

nice meme

[elder crane]

I run Noshiro Azuma Yukikaze right now

It's fine enough, worse than Jun over one of the three, but fairly minimally, and faster matches

If I had to pick the strongest setup at dev20 Azuma, I'd actually pick Jun Azuma Noshiro
Azuma's damage numbers might not look too impressive, but remember that fire damage isn't counted in endscreen and that Azuma gets most of her damage on enemy vanguard, which has lower HP pool

[whole terrace]

How important is belfast in the amakaga meta? On the amagi server I've not managed to get belfast, but I've got Aurora and 5 sandy's

[smoky elk]

i run all-dark-hair-meme at Namaruga / Azuma + Noshiro + Shigurekai for sht and giggles

[zenith tundra]

belast is mostly a choice against foxes. she works well in any comp for stalling but not really needed

[whole terrace]

hm ok i am thinking of raising sandy since the kai is coming soon. Akaga is set to be the most popular comp though

But a lot of people still run unicorn so not sure that means much

[crimson bear]

New PvP meta analysis video is up #media-content

[past egret]

Death to Nagato

[coral wren]

It's not a bug, it's a feature

i wonder when are we getting a yukikaze retrofit

[marsh bane]

[ripe latch]

mikasa lvl 1 your time has come

[ripe latch]

they still play with nagato def

[frail orbit]

Actually its EN only keks

[shell heron]

Finally. This stall def fleet might actually stall someone other than me

[eager cedar]

stall user

[finite valve]

imply any non newbie #pvper would get stalled by any comp be it meta or not

[ripe latch]

loldrige

[elder crane]

That looks like easy food to me

Torps + Azuma just blow eld up

[finite valve]

end game meta comp is fdg ws amagi azuma ykk jesus?

[ripe latch]

they changed azuma to sandy

[elder crane]

Or Nagato (without bug) instead of FdG or WS

[shell heron]

you would think it's easy food, until over a minute has passed and the vg is still alive

Is it going to win, ofc not. but if it lasts more than a minute. It did it's job

[finite valve]

tbh noshiro would guarantee the stall more

not much CV comp in the 1k range

[frail orbit]

Anyway

Whataya call a bugged Nagato?

A Bugato

[shell heron]

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

???
Azuma = dead Eld by 10 s

[marsh bane]

Bugato

[shell heron]

you know, if we have friend battles. I can test other comps

but we don't

[elder crane]

Eld is anti-CV for trolling nonmeta stuff, basically

[eager cedar]

friend battles

but that requires devs to care about pvp

[shell heron]

normally not a problem, but on the very rare chance Eld did survive the first 20s

at least for me

[frail orbit]

Never brought Namaryu or FC against Eld so

[shell heron]

once it even won the VG fight against me. Wasn't that specific comp but still had Eld

was even more confused

[zenith tundra]

just wait till all fights with fdg around will last over 1 min

[shell heron]

Can't wait for Suruga/FdG/Amagi def become t0 defense

[frail orbit]

It already is

Assuming peeps playing meta

[coral wren]

Maybe in jp/cn meta, but en meta, most dont have enough bp.

Ill probably get my first rainbow gun next year.

i could cry i don't get Juneau

[elder crane]

most people don't even have DRs at dev 20 yet

457 you can probably count the people that have it

[coral wren]

i farm her allready for over 3 months

My azuma is only dev 15, and ive been farming her and fdg since December xD

I think Juneau also appears in MoH exchange

juneau only appears at 5-2 right

It says MoH in access. Also found in light construction.

MoH ???

i'm looking there every day, but she never was there

Well it says she can appear here. It changes like every 3 days or something like that.

Masaki, juneau is a drop in pursuit of spee war archive map.

[eager cedar]

I can think of 3-4 people with dev 25+ azuma and fdg

[shell heron]

we're at the point where people who do some cube projects should have dev25+

[vague token]

i feel like someone should have a 457 by now with ultra whale power

[ionic magnet]

you dont need cubes for that

more like no sleep power

no french bote announcement eh

[vague token]

only the jp for who was it, tartu?

[ionic magnet]

yea the pink hair sirius

[vague token]

beeg destroyers

[ionic magnet]

tho im actually waiting for patch notes if theres nagato skill fix

[vague token]

have they ever put adjustments in patch notes

they only put content changes, not balance

[light crystal]

Finally got Nagato Suruga to 120, so back to all-120 once again!

[zenith tundra]

is there any non bug fixing balance in the game?

[vague token]

long time ago i heard they changed yorktown vengeance

xD

[zenith tundra]

i think last change was double dmg cv skill changed to 8s instead of 1 airstrike

[prime panther]

ranger would be very interesting without that

[zenith tundra]

oh and seattle gun/twin 100 fix too

god damn they actually did some balance stuff like twice per year

[vague token]

[coral wren]

I've got an awful defense fleet (on purpose) and I'm not that highly ranked, so why are all my opponents so strong :(

(I'm trying to use exercises for exp on ships between levels 95 and 110, so my attacking fleet is roughly 10.5k for both main and vanguard)

[light crystal]

Well, for one you need to come to terms that Exercises are not meant to level up your ships with. You're only getting like about 3-6k XP, about 3 times a day, per ship. Second, you want to use ships 110+, unless you got a particularly strong enough Fleet to carry the weaker ships with. And third, you're just gonna struggle to get wins regardless, cuz you're not running optimal ships/gear half the time.

Leveling up ships in PvP is just a meme imo

[coral wren]

Hmm, maybe I should just switch back to my more optimized attacking fleet then?

[ionic magnet]

actually,levelling in pvp is a legit strat if you cant win anyways

[light crystal]

I dont know how fun is resetting 3+ times per fight to get 1k XP tho

[ionic magnet]

you can also use maxed ones to carry 1 or 2 underlevelled botes

[midnight heron]

im fine with it

[ionic magnet]

3 times is nothing

[eager cedar]

[ionic magnet]

and you dont even need to reset
just take the loss and take your 1k exp

LOL

[light crystal]

I only need to reset, if at all, 2-3 times per season, by always selecting Leftest MM, so I wouldn't know, you're right lel

[coral wren]

What do you mean "reset"? Not re-rolling, right?

[light crystal]

You get XP for loses?

[coral wren]

You get half xp for losing

[light crystal]

Isn't it like 600ish tho?

Cant be 1k

[ionic magnet]

2-3 times? you mean you actually reset?

[coral wren]

It depends on the level of your opponents

[light crystal]

Unless you were going against full 120 squad

But dang, imagine having 40% WR in PvP to get some free XP. Next level strats I guess kek

[coral wren]

Imagine caring about PvP winrate

[ionic magnet]

its roughly 1k exp and it adds up quickly

[light crystal]

The lowest WR I've seen was like 30ish something, but thwt was AGES ago.

[shell heron]

any winrate that's not 100% is already scuffed

[light crystal]

Usually it's 90+, or 60~ish for lowest

[ionic magnet]

i had a 2% winrate at one point

[coral wren]

86.7% for me (since I will sometimes deliberately lose against a full 120 fleet instead of beating a weak fleet for more exp)

[ionic magnet]

yea i did that for my first 1 or 2 months

now im at 97%

[light crystal]

Well, for my part, Ionly reset when it's like 1 chick against the other. I legit wait till last moment. Have already lost 2-3 times for doing it like that, but it's better than "lol, I miss my preloaded torps, guess I'll reset"

To each their own I suppose

[coral wren]

Well, if I'm going to actually try to win, then I have to care about who's good now

[light crystal]

I want to try out the days of USN comps being good again. The early days, with WASD/Ent were nice on their own right. I hope Iowa or something can help revive the Merican Dream

[coral wren]

Cleveland Kai would be the best solution to that problem 🙃

[ionic magnet]

I've got an awful defense fleet (on purpose) and I'm not that highly ranked, so why are all my opponents so strong :(
anyways to answer this, your opponents are based on your current rank and independent of fleet power

[light crystal]

So for better XP, u do need to win some kek

[coral wren]

Isn't my current rank in the 4000s? I thought that was pretty bad tbh

[light crystal]

Depend son server

[ionic magnet]

rank is more of how active a player is

[light crystal]

I suppose some are just on thoese lower rnaks cuz they're sandbagging

[ionic magnet]

and yea there too many peeps who doesnt care about pvp

[coral wren]

I'm on

[light crystal]

Some other just lost some tries by accident cuz they needed to do crap

And so on and so forth

[midnight heron]

this actually works

[ionic magnet]

i mean if my mikasa is working, p sure anything else can work too

[coral wren]

Well, my last match ended up with Enty and SaraKai vs Enty + SaraKai, so in the lower ranks US is still apparently pretty good 🙂

[light crystal]

To make PvP more fun they need better reward system*. Fucking borders and a top 100 board showing the results of previous season would go a long way imo lol

[coral wren]

Borders? Like chat borders?

[light crystal]

Yeh

[ionic magnet]

id take any reward at this point

[midnight heron]

but devs dont giv a shit

[light crystal]

Being top 10 last only for last 30 mins of a season can grow stale after a while. Wish it would just show for the duration of the next season or something lol

[coral wren]

May not be too on topic but if they're going to add more rewards to something, I'd prefer all the "coming soon" rewards in the Memento/Bands page (where you get Beaver Badge and Tears)

[ionic magnet]

not looking forward to that thing

i already retired those useless botes

[midnight heron]

i keep everything

[ionic magnet]

i dont like 🚮 clogging my dock so

[light crystal]

Get a larger one

[hot creek]

i retired them too, but not before mlb'ing them

[empty grove]

Imagine

[ionic magnet]

can always farm again but big doubt they will update rewards anyways

[empty grove]

Not being like this

[ionic magnet]

[alpine summit]

that is....an impressive amount of dock

should do 2020 though for the memes

[empty grove]

Caps at 2000

[alpine summit]

wow, learn something new today

[shell heron]

I'll be happy to be half of that

[alpine summit]

im going to guess you are on the fleet power ranking with that much dock lol

[empty grove]

Ehh

It only counts LB stage

So having 40+ of the same ship does nothing

[alpine summit]

i have half that space, and in upper half of fleet power

and im not even actively trying

[elder crane]

@midnight heron
Eyyy same conclusion for me while Nagato is borked
though I run Amagi top, Warkai mid, Hiryuu bottom
Hiryuu mid is a bit too exposed imo

[midnight heron]

i let her tank big seven and ryuusei

if her skill doesnt proc then im not getting bang for buck

jk

[prime panther]

whats the optimal hiryuu build?

[shell heron]

there's a pinned list what shows optimal gear

[midnight heron]

i didnt look at it and just used ihr + oil canister

idk wats the name tho smth fuel 100/150?

[shell heron]

something like that. aux loadout seems to be generally that.

[small cypress]

What's best amagi gear?

[coral wren]

skc seattlegun staag hsfcr sg/ihr

[small cypress]

sg? ihr?

shells?

@coral wren

[coral wren]

sg radar, ihr is rudder

[small cypress]

rudder?

for pvp?

radar?

[proper sorrel]

you're asking here now?

[coral wren]

dunno about shells i refer to the tierlist but im guessing u want survivability for her

cuz her buff only applies if shes alive

[proper sorrel]

406skc/nepgun/staag/sg radar+rudder

[small cypress]

what's rudder?

[proper sorrel]

wait seattle gun?

[coral wren]

the one that looks like washing machine

tierlist says seattlegun

@.@

[proper sorrel]

not nepgun?

[coral wren]

"best dps against opponent vg and boost AA"

[proper sorrel]

fair

[small cypress]

amagi it's dps?

[proper sorrel]

nani

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Improved_Hydraulic_Rudder anyways this is rudder

[small cypress]

ahhh

and nepgun or seattle gun?

[proper sorrel]

this is sg radar https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/SG_Radar#Type_3

according to remu, seattle gun

[small cypress]

for wars?

[proper sorrel]

wars?

[small cypress]

warspite

[whole terrace]

Yes, for all BB’s with CL guns. It’s all in the pinned tier list/guide dude

[small cypress]

Why thee don't use the BB's gun?

[whole terrace]

What do u mean?

[shell heron]

wait? SKC?

[midnight heron]

shall i compare thee to a summer's day

[shell heron]

sure but 381 is preferred especially against mirrors

[frail orbit]

Amagi wants fast ASAP
And in Namagi comp 406skc is only preferable if u have 2 406skc

Bkoz u know
Wifey and sister in law has something that's similar. Preemptive strike u know.

Even in my bed

[light crystal]

"Meta" he thinks. How adorable

[frail orbit]

Also scuttlegun is preferable mostly
If everyone ran meta

Nepgun still there tho for its fast AP shelling

Especially against double boiler nanoda. Which is my problem

Sane peeps would just went with fire suppressor and boiler anyway

"Meta" he thinks. How adorable
@light crystal or take it as an irony

[light crystal]

This is mine

[frail orbit]

Meh using chapgun

Scuttlegun lah

[light crystal]

But muh FP.

[sour oasis]

Waaa, that's a lot of Chappy guns.

[empty grove]

Ahh yes

I love close to 1:30 battles

Very cool

[light crystal]

I grinded 60 BP's from the map, made 100k points. Wasn't too bad actually.

[sour oasis]

That... That's a big time sink.

[light crystal]

Not at all. There isn't much to do in the game in the game after some point anyway. Should I spam W13? Or grind for something useful on an event map. Rather do the latter. I did took the opportunity to level up a couple of girls to 120. And got like 1k+ purple gen plates. It was a nice event

[empty grove]

NGL

4 in 100k is lucky to me

Unless that 4th was the store one

[shell heron]

I don't risk it anymore without my Nagato boost. Fights can last longer than I like

[light crystal]

Hah. My luck was initially extremely bad. I think like 20 runs per 1 single BP. After a while though, it started settling down to like 5 runs per BP, so it was better at that point.

[shell heron]

how many chappy guns do I have

[empty grove]

I did 160k+ points

With 4

[shell heron]

hmm I farmed out 2 with about 80k

unlucky

[light crystal]

Damn. And to think I had it bad. My friend made like 30 BP's under 35k, and I was very jealous at the time haha

RNG gonna be RNG I suppose.

[shell heron]

when I got 4 baguette guns with the same amount of farming

[empty grove]

Atleast I can flex this

[shell heron]

I need more. 5 is not enough

[light crystal]

I only made 30 BP's on first Iris run. So I only got 3 138mm's. As you can see, I use one on Juneau, so that leaves me with 2 to play with on PvE

For Iris rerun, I'm setting myself up for a goal of 60 grinded BP's minimum from map. Will try to push for as many as possible though

[empty grove]

I had a lot of stuff to level during that so idk what i'm gonna use now

[light crystal]

I intend to be as reasonably efficient with Oil this time around, so as to squeeze as many BP's as possible, so leveling bitches out will not be a priority for this one

Would be nice if I can 120 Tosa and Soyus, hopefully it's possible. Oh good, BB's is the req for D2.

[empty grove]

I meant levelling as in using low oil things

Most of my low oil stuff is 120 or 3m banked

[whole terrace]

i faced ur amagi-lusty-enty comp, cay

It couldn't win vs hms bb in 5 matches, but the matches lasted 60-90 seconds usually

[shell heron]

It did it's job. It's not suppose to win

but it did last at least a minute

[whole terrace]

Yeah

Against a comp like mine namaryuu would stall me better but against namaryuu/namaspite where resetting is rarer, something like that might be more effective

[shell heron]

It's a weird comp that did stall me. thought I should run it for a season. let others test against it

[crude mortar]

@empty grove how much oil did you spend to farm all those?

[naive dome]

if i can relog every 15 minutes, I should keep my defense fleet easy, right ?

[empty grove]

No idea

Haven't counted oil use for awhile

[crude mortar]

whats your total point at the end of event?

[empty grove]

Would have been around 20 oil for clear fleet tho

Uhh

Think I broke 170k

D2 so 150 per

[crude mortar]

what ship you use to farm?

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

Leander & a few others

[crude mortar]

i need to farm 6 of that

[vague token]

common budget fun times

[keen sparrow]

so now is stall meta eh

[empty grove]

That shit better fixed after maintenance tbh

[keen sparrow]

if posible i want stall ppl to 5min match

dnt fix it let nagato like that

[hot creek]

Are devs aware of the bug?

[vague token]

there's a trello card

dunno though

[eager cedar]

Do devs care is the bigger question

[keen sparrow]

dev dnt care abt pvp

[eager cedar]

What’s pvp?

[crude mortar]

whats the oil cost of 120 grey bb?

[eager cedar]

Same as 100 grey bb

Should be 12 oil

[keen sparrow]

im agree if we have friend feature battle for test comp like other game

or clan battle

[eager cedar]

Making guilds matter

[vague token]

just want bp donation xD

[shell heron]

every last bit of oil counts. you save 2 oil on that fleet. That's 12 oil per run

[hot creek]

didn't even do 30k this event lul

[crude mortar]

I believe these nerd already had everything in the shop and already got everything since last event

what is the purpose of going 100k+

[coral wren]

when they grind early on the event

maybe they already top10

so some people try top1

since they too much oil

[eager cedar]

to flex

[vague token]

to hit top 3

of course

gotta flex

[empty grove]

No bulli me

I hit 100k like 5 days ago

Event is shit tho

[light crystal]

C3 is the only worth it, cuz of the Bofors. But it gives considerably less points than D3, so yeh, bad design lmao

[crude mortar]

i ain't gonna take anything from mailbox

gotta save all of those oil to farm all those french gun

[vague token]

maybe we'll get sanrui skin with french event

[ionic magnet]

i sure hope we're getting french event and not some bugged fox loli

[inner zenith]

what are the chances we will get french event this week

[ionic magnet]

zero

[inner zenith]

)':

[ionic magnet]

atleast 1 week break else ppl will riot again

[inner zenith]

i guess i'll use oil to feed shipgirls

[shell heron]

having another another 2 major event b2b, people will riot anyways

[sour oasis]

Ha ha, I meant that playing all that was a big time sink Ex

[past egret]

New Z destroyer pvp video up in #media-content if anyone wants to nit pick at it and tell me if I’m doing anything wrong

[shell heron]

Is it recorded pre CE rerun or during?

you know. because current Nagato bug and all

[inner zenith]

can someone explain whati s this nagato bug

[shell heron]

Her IJN faction buff got changed to self-buff

[inner zenith]

o

[crude mortar]

her buff bug in both pvp and normal map right

?

[hot creek]

brit bongs rise up.

[leaden jay]

Is Juneau really that key in the top tier fleet comps?

[vague token]

if you go by the math, yes

because pvp greatly increases hp of all ships, her heal is a big deal

[leaden jay]

I just really don't like using her, but it seems like 95% of all meta fleets have her for some reason, even though I've almost never lost to a Juneau fleet

[vague token]

defense fleets have a 20% damage penalty compared to offense

so if you are packing enough dps you can skip her

[leaden jay]

So is Juneau more effective as an attacker or a defender?

[vague token]

both

your win rate goes up immensely

either way

[light crystal]

The formula is more complicated than straight up 20% more on Attack

[leaden jay]

Okay

[vague token]

say you have a maxed FDG

in pvp she'll have like 23k hp

give or take

[leaden jay]

[keen sparrow]

juneau in pvp just for elixer aka hp pot

[vague token]

juneau will restore 5750 hp

[keen sparrow]

but if u can kill enemy elixer fast is win

[vague token]

5750 is like a whole extra salvos worth of hp

but obviously you evade some

or they're aimed wrong

so that 5750 gets stretched out to be even more effective

and by not dying, you're allowed to do more damage

and of course, main fleets have the largest margin for damage relative to their durability

[vague token]

that isnt to say juneau is mandatory 100%

[keen sparrow]

elixer retro with 100% heal pls

[vague token]

but more of juneau increases your win rates immensely

because you dont die as soon

thus juneau will forever be meta because she represents the largest win rate increase against the majority of fleet compositions

because that's all meta is, the highest aggregate win rate of any given composition

[leaden jay]

I guess I'll give her a shot then

[shell heron]

Her combined with Yukikaze all the sudden makes the main fleet last much longer

[leaden jay]

Yeah I use , she's super tanky

[vague token]

plus amagi

plus whoever else shares dr

[shell heron]

Although I've been having trouble with HMS BB comps. They just don't want to kill my Juneau

[keen sparrow]

best ship

[vague token]

you have to put juneau lead for those

[shell heron]

She is

[vague token]

xD

i was having trouble with euryalle today cause he never shoots juneau

namagi/warspite

i think he might have a 457 though

xD

i was losing shelling trades

[keen sparrow]

my elixer refuse to die

get blow by owarida

[shell heron]

I was losing against a comp using Monarch and WSkai. It just felt awkward

[vague token]

i havent lost to monarch/ws yet

but that's because formidable demolishes them after vanguards wipe

i might swap amagi to double evade gear

[shell heron]

It was weird, either my WS decide to miss her snipes or something went wrong

[vague token]

she needs better glasses

[shell heron]

Needed to have WS tank Monarch and enemy WS because Amagi gets focused way too hard

[vague token]

yeah

[keen sparrow]

ruder + beaver at amagi 80% warkai will miss shot

[vague token]

i miss armor amagi but armor azuma is just too useful nowadays for me

i wish we had one more

maybe i should try biscuit with double ap cuda cvs again

now that nagato is bugged

[shell heron]

hmm, I could run armor amagi to see if that works better

[vague token]

or maybe it will get fixed

[keen sparrow]

we dnt have 2nd hpfcr

[vague token]

which event was armor again

suruga?