pvp

[sour oasis]

⌛

[sterile bluff]

20+ fdg already does insane dmg before d30 tho

if u max all the skills

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra rate this

[sterile bluff]

enty does not belong

[zenith tundra]

not really tbh. even dev 30 withput 457 her dps is not great

[sour oasis]

Enty only jails Ark.

[zenith tundra]

u need a lot of hit for her to do damage and that just cuts her tankiness a lot

[sterile bluff]

use staag

problem solved

and fleet tech

oh wait

fleet tech doesn't work in pvp

[zenith tundra]

like 10 hit is enough to make up for 0 luck

[sterile bluff]

exactly

if u want hit then double sg

GG

[zenith tundra]

too bad opponent in pvp have luck and evasion not like the trash in pve

[sterile bluff]

but

my friend

you are forgetting

opponent doesn't have restart in pvp but you do

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

holy shit wait

i didn't realize i was talking to zack the whole time cuz he changed his pfp

megatrolled

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

he acquired the power of anime girl pfp

[coral wren]

[coral wren]

can kaga do VF17

i have it on akagi

[zenith tundra]

akagi makes a better use out of vf 17 stats. if u need different timings kaga can use it

[elder crane]

FdG at dev 20 literally has half of the shelling damage she has at dev 30
Given her focus is her shelling, that is

Even at dev 30, she only really slightly edges out other options, so... yeah

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra aint it preferable to just akagi on hellcats cuda, kaga on pirates ryusei? I meant hellcats hv better AA than pirates which fits akagi fighter slot better than kaga, and vice versa for ryusei on kaga

But dunno the context tho

Also for timing adjustment anyway

As I have seen akaga not on sync

[elder crane]

If you're going to use Ryuus on Kaga, you should use 818 on Akagi

[zenith tundra]

i'm a bit curious about why would u pick hellcat in pvp for aa. foxes will die to bb focus not airstrike damage. pirate on akagi is better because of her efficiency so she does more damage and if u want to use 818 ryuusei combo u actually want akagi to be faster then kaga so pirate is bis for that.

[crude mortar]

just use double cuda

[proper sorrel]

shoot forgot to attack

[mint hornet]

So with how over the course of the season, you get less points per fight compared to the season. Is that drop off based on the number of battles you've fought so far?
Like if I missed 5 battles, I start gaining less after I "catch up" and do 5 battles. Until then I would get the slightly higher amount right?

Lemme know if you need me to rephrase what i'm trying to say

[eager cedar]

@zenith tundra for your data stuff

[ionic magnet]

@mint hornet its based on your current rank

every rank the base score you get is different

theres a chart in pins

[zenith tundra]

past captain ranks is always 35 score for a +1. no tests needed for that

[eager cedar]

[ionic magnet]

and yea as you get higher rank, there's lower base score

[mint hornet]

o ok, so if you missed a few fights. You would get a lower base score at the same breakpoint even if you hadn't missed those fights

[ionic magnet]

yep

[mint hornet]

gotcha ty

[proper sorrel]

good lord a rank 3

still a +1

[sour oasis]

Only 50 ranks. Probably barely a +1.

[keen sparrow]

i miss my 5 tix over sleep

[proper sorrel]

lost 14 attacks this season

[keen sparrow]

stop pvp n i dont want become food

[coral wren]

[eager cedar]

[granite flame]

@proper sorrel 14?

u can just click leave battle

it doesnt penalize you

[coral wren]

Looks like we are getting a french event soon.
Think any will actually be good for pvp?

[vague token]

no

xD

but more guns to farm

;)

[coral wren]

Wait, was it the french event for the best dd gun?
I know there are new ships this time round, think richelieu and jean de arc will be in it?

[vague token]

yeah

[coral wren]

Also, we might get event like this upcoming thursday xD

[sour oasis]

Ugh. Hope it's a rerun. Build is draining my coins.

[proper sorrel]

by losing attacks, i meant i included attacks i didn't use and lost due to resets, and battles i forgot to leave

[sour oasis]

I still remember the days when I could lose 10 tickets and still could rush for 2.5k reward. Good times.

[zenith tundra]

we don't know anything about the ship other then the pic so there is no way of telling what she does. also if u mean the ship announced in jp twitter it seems to be a mini event so most likely nothing to do or just farm story maps

[keen sparrow]

we nid new op ship in pvp

[coral wren]

What is better for warspite

Guys

[zenith tundra]

use sg+ white shell or hpfcr

[coral wren]

White shell is the type 1 piercing one right

[zenith tundra]

yes the white one

[coral wren]

OK thanks

And with what should I trade it

@zenith tundra

[mint hornet]

warspite wants the purple mk6 right?

[zenith tundra]

keep sg radar

ws tbh want triple 410 ap more then mk6

[mint hornet]

o alrighty, i'll try it out

[karmic phoenix]

should i use 818 for enterprise or switch to baracuda

[zenith tundra]

do u have anything that can benefit from slow? like another cv launching afterwards or a bb shooting while vg is slowed?

if not just use cudas

[crude mortar]

you use enty becasue you want alot of damage from proc

and using 818 is againts her nature isn't it

if you gonna use 818 for slow then other cv deal damage then im assuming there is another cv that deal more dmg than enty which is none

and if you gonna use 818 for slow and torp then you better use hiryu instead

[zenith tundra]

the dps difference in between 818 and cuda is not that much that u never want to use it

if someone else can do more damage from using it it doesn't matter if enty does a little less

[crude mortar]

how about using centaur instead

[zenith tundra]

enty dps with 50% torp bomber hit (which is most unlikely)
68.98% 1,079.86 818
68.98% 1,137.44 cuda

[crude mortar]

believe in crash dmg

like real japanese navy

[zenith tundra]

5% dps difference that can be easily compensated by another cv hitting like half more airstrike or a bb hitting a shelling on vg

[crude mortar]

bb need to load slower than enty

[zenith tundra]

crash dps difference
364.97 cuda
337.43 818

[crude mortar]

with 818 you load like 22

and it took 1s plane to fly

23

what bb load slower than 23?

[zenith tundra]

amagi is like 26-28

[crude mortar]

2nd?

[zenith tundra]

kgv is around 28

[crude mortar]

again will you use enty with amagi instead of hiryu

and enty with kgv over cen/fom?

[zenith tundra]

he never said the comp tho

and my answer was exactly what u are saying

if someone can use the slow it's 818>cuda

[crude mortar]

[coral wren]

@zenith tundra so you mean this one is for pvp better

[zenith tundra]

yes

[coral wren]

Oh ok

[naive dome]

is juneau considered tanky in pvp?

[zenith tundra]

nope

not that u ever want her to be that tanky

[elder crane]

If you have the Litt gun, and your matches almost never go to 1 min, that's an option for warkai main gun over the 410AP

[ripe latch]

ihr ws kai cosmic brain.exe

[elder crane]

makes sense in some environments, especially for defense
in EN right now, bleh
my warkai is for offense only, so I go SG+White Shell even, since I reposition her to safe spot

[zenith tundra]

just wait for ws to eat fdg barrage every 15s

plus some random nukes from her mg

[elder crane]

Yeah, once FdG comes online, then I'll probably go 2SG.... is what I thought, but wait a sec here
Rudder+White shell is actually better than that on warkai, huh
I suppose with high base hit and no hit buffs from Nagato, SG is less valuable

Maybe I'll go Rudder+HPFCR and take HPFCR off Amagi, I can't fast-snipe with this loadout anyways

[sterile bluff]

what's best aux for low hit BBs?

sg rudder?

sg white?

sg sg? o_O

[frail orbit]

2sg

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

Unless said ship is named Amagi

[sterile bluff]

nah

not amagi

[frail orbit]

Who

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

2SG or SG shell

White shell btw

[sterile bluff]

ofc

2sg? Is that actually a thing tho?

[frail orbit]

Why not

Adding more eva stat and hit stat

[sterile bluff]

i thought u don't ever need a lot of sgs

[frail orbit]

SG rudder could also be an option anyway

If u want her to be tanky enuff to withstand enemy wakai snipe

[sterile bluff]

uhh i don't think she's the right ship to tank warkai

[frail orbit]

Just see it on well

The pinned

[sterile bluff]

but pinned tl is outdated right?

the gear part

[zenith tundra]

did u get any new gear for bb recently?

[sterile bluff]

me?

[zenith tundra]

i mean in general in al

i haven't seen a new equip since pr2

[sterile bluff]

oh that's what u mean

lmao

but double sg just seems...

my fp's gonna be shite

[zenith tundra]

if u find anything outdated just let me know

[sterile bluff]

okie

[frail orbit]

FP? What FP?

U dont need moar FP anyway on Mon

[sterile bluff]

I do need moooar fp!

there's never enough fp!

im hitting like 800 per shell on barrage

[elder crane]

I like actually hitting my barrage tyvm

instead of miss miss miss miss

[sterile bluff]

but if you are big brain

[elder crane]

if you are big bren

[sterile bluff]

you get tons of fp

[elder crane]

you put on rudder

[sterile bluff]

and if u miss miss miss

u restart

[elder crane]

so all enemy gets is

[sterile bluff]

until u hit everything

[elder crane]

miss miss miss miss

[sterile bluff]

you kill enemy before they can attack

my logic

[frail orbit]

This aint PVE anyway

[elder crane]

Hmm, let me kill the enemy that's the same as my ship before they attack

[sterile bluff]

exactly

[elder crane]

....

if you're using the same ships....

[sterile bluff]

you kill the other ship

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

cuz u r just better

at the game

[frail orbit]

Biccbrane

🧠

[elder crane]

Why does there have to be a Spencer everywhere

1 is enough for my entertainment

[frail orbit]

Spencer who?

7x7?

[elder crane]

yep

[frail orbit]

Not my problem

It's all yours

Bluerendar is typing...

[sterile bluff]

anticipation intensifies

[elder crane]

currently though, I do advocate building one main fleet ship somewhat offensively on offense, even if it means they have lower eHP x eDpS
Vs almost all teams, you have a spot that takes less incoming damage, so just place an offensively-built setup there

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

FdG with 457 probably changes things since that can randomly smack any main fleet ship hard

[sterile bluff]

then just bring ur own fdg

[elder crane]

for example, I run my warkai with SG+White shell, since she's often still the last ship afloat in near matches

[frail orbit]

I wouldnt advocate such things anyway
But well, who wants to stall more than actually hit ASAP keks

But hey

[sterile bluff]

so what's better double sg or sg white?

[frail orbit]

Why tf Wakai no HPFCR

[elder crane]

well, the thing is, dead enemies don't do damage

[sterile bluff]

or sg rudder?

i can't decide

[elder crane]

HPFCR is on Amagi for timing reasons

[frail orbit]

SG white zzzz

[sterile bluff]

not double sg?

ya sure?

if this fails im holding u responsible

[frail orbit]

If u want pure offense

[elder crane]

she's usually still the last ship afloat in near matches

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

you place her in the spot with least pressure

[frail orbit]

And am not 1000% responsible for that

^

Unless u know what u are doing

[elder crane]

it's same reason why you use glass cannons in team games

[sterile bluff]

as you can clearly tell ik exactly what im doing in this game

[elder crane]

if you don't take damage, the best contribution you can do is damage

[frail orbit]

HPFCR is on Amagi for timing reasons
@elder crane but aint wakai snipe just way better tho kekd

I meant

[elder crane]

surviving longer means nothing if rest of team dies cause your DpS isn't enough for them to win trades

[frail orbit]

Amagi got her skill already

For that 1st barrage

[sterile bluff]

does amagi have good dps?

[frail orbit]

Feels redundant tbh

[elder crane]

Amagi runs HPFCR to get in second barrage before warkai second barrage

Nagato-boosted Amagi with HPFCR and 381 hits her second barrage before warkai launches her second barrage

[frail orbit]

Amagi runs HPFCR to get in second barrage before warkai second barrage
@elder crane 1st shelling only tho

[elder crane]

this means there's a good chance that warkai second barrage targets the next ship, after first target dies

which means her second main gun salvo is affected by barrage targeting

[frail orbit]

U meant for next reload?

But that'd meat u need 2 HPFCR anyway

[elder crane]

ehh, let me outline what I mean all at once

[frail orbit]

*meant

And we know EN dont even have 2 of em
Lest JP

Only CN

[sterile bluff]

cn is a pogger

Bluerendar is typing...

[frail orbit]

U meant, Amagi 1st kill then Wakai right?

U dont wanna waste Wakai snipe

Thats why

[elder crane]

Without Amagi HPFCR:
Amagi barrages target 1
Warkai barrages target 1, sets target 1 as target for main guns
Warkai fires first salvo, at target 1
Warkai barrages, sets target 1 as target for main guns, target dies
Amagi barrages, half of it whiffs since target is dead
Warkai fires next salvo, without any set target

With Amagi HPFCR:
Amagi barrages target 1
Warkai barrages target 1, sets target 1 as target for main guns
Warkai fires first salvo, at target 1
Amagi barrages, kills target 1
Warkai barrages, sets new target for main guns
Warkai fires next salvo, at new target

Yep, want to not waste warkai targeting+half of Amagi's barrage

[frail orbit]

That aint an effective way tbh

[elder crane]

if you don't run HPFCR, it always gets wasted

[frail orbit]

This is why

WE NEED 457

[elder crane]

457 doesn't help

it's exactly the same outcome

[frail orbit]

Naaa I meant

[sterile bluff]

im... still trying to understand what half of all that means...

[frail orbit]

Even if wasted at 1 or 2

[elder crane]

that's also why I run SG+White shell, partially

[frail orbit]

Still better outcome than 410 tri

And 2 HPFCR needed

Which is only available in CN

Meh

[elder crane]

Well, HPFCR helps in general but not specifically so for this problem

[frail orbit]

WHY CANT WE HAVE NICE THINGS

MUH 2 HPFCR WHERE

[sterile bluff]

pfff poggers i don't even have hpfcr

[elder crane]

in any case, if you don't run SG+White shell on Warkai, HPFCR on Amagi doesn't really help

so might as well just give up in general

[frail orbit]

Meh, just HPFCR white if so

Ultra glass cannon wakai

And that is

With 2hpfcr

[sterile bluff]

double black warkai

[frail orbit]

1 on Magi and another on Wakai

[sterile bluff]

hyper glass

[elder crane]

1 ) 2 HPFCR....
2) FdG with 457 will randomly ruin your day 1/4 of the time

[sterile bluff]

why would fdg with 457 randomly ruin ur day

[frail orbit]

And imagine taking this shit on FDG 457

Topkeks

I dont even know who's more biccbrane now

[sterile bluff]

im the 🅱️iccest brane

[elder crane]

cause FdG with 457 firing at a non-rudder warkai will smack off half her HP

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

with one volley?

wtaf

no way

if she lands all her volleys then maybe

[frail orbit]

Which is why u need Rudder

Topkeks

[sterile bluff]

but on average half the volleys hit main half hit vg

[elder crane]

FdG 457 on defense with offensive setup isn't terrible, since you just rely on RNG to ruin people's days
On offense, its basically like running torpmemes lol

not consistent enough

[frail orbit]

As much as she has bad shit on her snipe

Its basically still HUGE dmg against us

[elder crane]

Have you seen FdG smack shit with her main guns?

[sterile bluff]

yes

[frail orbit]

Ye

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

Dem crits

Dahm

[elder crane]

dev 30 she blasts things

[frail orbit]

Imagine 21k

[sterile bluff]

i saw zack's screenshot of that 20k crit

[frail orbit]

On crits

[sterile bluff]

oh ye 21k

ma bad

[zenith tundra]

double sg ws looks pretty meh tbh. 1.03 edps and 0.94 ehp compared to hpfcr rudder

[frail orbit]

Alread seen more

22k too

Have seen 22k

[sterile bluff]

but tbf those r probably with huge lv advantage

[frail orbit]

Not wakai tho

Monarch

[elder crane]

Yeah, that's why I'd rather do HPFCR rudder and give up on HPFCR amagi timing

[frail orbit]

With essex event guy

[sterile bluff]

wut

[frail orbit]

I meant u asking about monarch right

Not wakai

[sterile bluff]

i don't think zack was answering me

[frail orbit]

My bad then

[sterile bluff]

i am not powerful enough to be noticed by him yet

[elder crane]

who cares about PvE/vs shitty team damage numbers

[sterile bluff]

me

[elder crane]

this is #pvp

[sterile bluff]

cuz i like big numbers

LMAO

[elder crane]

I meant slapping shit in PvP dum dum

[sterile bluff]

i still like big numbers

🅱️ig numbers

[elder crane]

even vs meta setups, she will randomly delete ~1/3 of the HP off a main fleet ship

[frail orbit]

Bicc numbers are useless unless u wanna fast kill

And in case of against FDG

U wont even fast kill

[zenith tundra]

u don't snipe fdg tho

[sterile bluff]

i want 🇫 🅰️🇸 🇹 kill

[frail orbit]

Thats obvious keke

Amagi 1st

[elder crane]

I'm pretty certain that diff is why Zack and I have diff setups
in EN right now, without dev 30 FdG and 457, you can get away with something like SG+White shell on Warkai for offense

[frail orbit]

Am still preferring to play it safe anyway

[elder crane]

Also I need to check on Litt gun with HPFCR

that might be a bit into rudder

[zenith tundra]

my fdg can crit 5k on ws. u can imagine why u can just get deleted even on offense

[elder crane]

iirc 410 AP with HPFCR on warkai literally hits straight into the rudder proc window

[sterile bluff]

per shell?

wtf

[elder crane]

30% to do no damage

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

ok lemme do some calcs how tf is that even possible in pvp

[elder crane]

yeah, no rudder + 2 crit hits out of 6 shells = half-dead warkai

[sterile bluff]

imagine aiming all ur volleys at main in pvp

ain't gonna happen

[zenith tundra]

it's rng

[sterile bluff]

on avg for me it's half and half

[frail orbit]

U bald for it

[elder crane]

one volley aimed at warkai happens roughly 4/10 times

???

[sterile bluff]

but never has it 100% aimed at main with vg still alive

[elder crane]

doesn't matter

you want better than 6/10 winrate

[frail orbit]

^

[sterile bluff]

so ur not gonna hit all ur 6 shells from 457 onto warkai just saying

[elder crane]

roughly 1/4 of the time your warkai will get half-murdered by FdG if you don't run her slightly defensively

you want higher winrate than that

???

[sterile bluff]

???

[elder crane]

I said 2/6

you just need 2/6 to be aimed at warkai and hit to have your match ruined

6 shots fired

[sterile bluff]

bruh

[elder crane]

2 shots hit warkai, and crit
half dead warkai

[sterile bluff]

but chances of that r pretty low

double crit

double hit

[elder crane]

even a double hit is ~1/3 of your HP

[frail orbit]

^

[sterile bluff]

use an AR

[zenith tundra]

if u want to be a bitch u just put double 2 sg on fdg since no one will snipe her anyway

[elder crane]

and that will happen ~1/3 of the time if you don't +eva on warkai

[frail orbit]

Okay
Enuff pvp talk there

Too much big 🧠

[sterile bluff]

i am the biccest 🧠

[frail orbit]

Either way
Still preferring Amagi as enemy Wakai bait

[zenith tundra]

fdg double sg vs ws sg white. hit 65.13%

[frail orbit]

VH + rudder

[zenith tundra]

with amagi buff

[frail orbit]

Just to cuck em Wakai

[elder crane]

you don't aim at FdG with Warkai, pretty sure

[sterile bluff]

you snipe the other warkai with your warkai

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

mutual friendship

[elder crane]

I'm still skeptical on FdG+Warkai being a particularly good team

[zenith tundra]

fdg top amagi mid ws bot forces u to snipe either ws or fdg

[frail orbit]

Also crit + snipe + defense

Literally derping ur way

[sterile bluff]

smh warkai needs another retrofit

[sterile bluff]

ok just curious

how many bars did that one volley take away?

[zenith tundra]

from 72 to 44

[sterile bluff]

that's 2 shells or just that 1?

i assume 2

[zenith tundra]

1 shell

[sterile bluff]

o_O

ok how much did 2 shells do?

[zenith tundra]

she hits 13k non crit on dmg cycle

miss the other since potato build

[elder crane]

🥔

[frail orbit]

🥔

[sterile bluff]

🥔

[elder crane]

#whatishit

tf did I type out at first

[frail orbit]

Whatever

I jus wanna eat my KFC now

[sterile bluff]

ok tbf tho u had like 68% dmg bonus against that maya cuz of lv advantage

[elder crane]

KFC is good food, yeah, easy kill

[zenith tundra]

it's capped at 50% from level

[elder crane]

level advantage caps out at +50%

[sterile bluff]

wow

i just big brained again

[elder crane]

someone doesn't know what they're talking about

[sterile bluff]

since when did i ever know what i was talking about

[zenith tundra]

that's a 16k crit without level advantage

[sterile bluff]

that's still pretty juicy

damn i want an fdg now

[elder crane]

how high can you go~
Mikasa + Bismarck + Helena + Cleveland + ????

[frail orbit]

Real KFC btw
Not that KFC

[elder crane]

ik, jk

[sterile bluff]

i felt bad for not taking an project and taking a project instead

[zenith tundra]

will take like half hours of resets

[elder crane]

what's another vanguard-based boost?

[sterile bluff]

that boosts main?

idk

[elder crane]

that boosts FdG

also
it's still ~3% there smh
...which is "just" ~20 mins of resetting?

[sterile bluff]

ok

why doesn't amagi love me?

i mean like

why is she stuck at 90 affection?

i already put her as my only sec

and in dorm

she's stuck at 90 for 2 days now

[zenith tundra]

secretary caps at 90 affection

[sterile bluff]

how do i make her love me

dorm?

[zenith tundra]

use her........................

[sterile bluff]

ahhh i see

[zenith tundra]

bismark only buffs crit chance tho

who is a better buffer then cent?

[sterile bluff]

avrora

best buffer in the game

[zenith tundra]

it's for vg

[sterile bluff]

i thought u were just talking about buffers in general

[elder crane]

Bis is only crit chance?

then probably Hyuuga

Hyuuga should still be better than Dork here

[ripe latch]

fdg double white + bism

[elder crane]

shell skills don't stack

[zenith tundra]

so no other vg?

[elder crane]

not afaik

can't find anything else that would help FdG do a bigger number

[zenith tundra]

z flag active only when mikasa flag?

[elder crane]

No

Mikasa can be on side
her flag buffs are IJN only

[zenith tundra]

Increases Critical Rate by 5%. When equipped on Mikasa: increases fleet FP and Accuracy by 5%.

[elder crane]

Yeah, Hyuuga buff should be better than Dork debuff

roughly 10.5% vs 8.5% final damage increase

[zenith tundra]

less rng

[elder crane]

Dork debuff is more work, but isn't really RNG

[vague token]

if only biscuit buffed all attacks

instead of just main weapons

[elder crane]

it always activates as long as it hits

[vague token]

=/

[elder crane]

problem is pretty sure it's additive stacking with Helena debuff

which makes it kinda ehh

[vague token]

i mean that's how things are

xD

[elder crane]

I think skk is a bigger boost than it

Hyuuga should be ever so slightly larger boost than SKK here

despite FdG already having +20% FP

[vague token]

dork matters more if you're running mixed

or if vanguard is able to contribute damage

[elder crane]

Well, skk still better if you're trying to stack with Helena

[vague token]

depends on enemy anti air

[elder crane]

Dork does more damage herself usually though, pretty sure

yeah, depending on enemy AA

[vague token]

like skk is a good buff

it's just like in high chapter pve she doesnt really toss a ton of personal damage

and dork's slow utility can help a bit there

randomly

xD

[elder crane]

the slow on EX/CM is actually really good
if only the targeting wasn't pepega, it'd be much better in general

[vague token]

dork is just surprisingly decent given how weird her kit is

i still think the entire class should have a quad gun skill

like kgv

would really help pow

but rip

[zenith tundra]

it would be really bad for doy

[vague token]

na, quick shot means you can have debuff out for torps sooner

[elder crane]

Well, if it was an extra, whatever

[vague token]

or hold it on manual

[elder crane]

all of her current skill effects are good though

[zenith tundra]

what can u even sync with quad?

manual....

[vague token]

or you could just avoid the skill

like kgv in pve

xD

just use triple 406 forehead

it gives you options

[elder crane]

if it was an extra, whatever

Also I'd prefer each one to be a different effect

Let's say
Dork gets her +50% for first salvo on normal guns.... and always +50% for 356
I think that's not OP

Yeah, the gun is still questionable if it's worth using even with +50%

[vague token]

the point is you have options

you can use the class gun for some things, or not for other things

[elder crane]

Pow, erm
what would I give PoW with 356

[vague token]

eagle booster? xD

[zenith tundra]

without mikasa buff

[elder crane]

Well, Dork with perma +50% on 356 is actually right about there

[vague token]

reduce aa of targets hit? xD

since she got nuked by planes

reflect that onto enemies

or something

[elder crane]

PoW was the one who hit Bis, right?

with Hood

[vague token]

uh

i think so

two hits

[elder crane]

Let's see
with 356
her USN buff is doubled
and erm,
something else, I don't think that alone is enough

or maybe
with 356, she also gives one stack of the buff to every USN ship

maybe even both effects? that might be a bit much

[vague token]

i dont know why she even has an eagle buff

[elder crane]

nah, sounds about fine

[vague token]

did she sail around with hood or something to visit the world?

[elder crane]

well, irl she was supposed to coordinate with USN in pacific

[vague token]

oh ok

[elder crane]

before Pearl Harbour happened and then she got sunk defending Singapore when the USN wasn't able to show up

[vague token]

oh and they didnt meet up with any cvs too xD

[elder crane]

Z force was never meant to operate as a full unit, it was supposed to work with the USN

the only surprise on that was that the IJN didn't need to commit any ships to killing Z force

[vague token]

air power fun times

[elder crane]

some bad luck there too
new AA radar fire control broke in heat/humidity
miscommunication with fighter cover/support
mistakes in AA doctrine

[vague token]

i mean bad luck happened a lot

it was a pretty messy war all things considered

[elder crane]

well, PoW's 19 luck is very much justified

[vague token]

yeah xD

it'd be kinda neat for pow to be a fake eagle flag i guess

it goes with the games theme of bringing factions together at any rate

[elder crane]

Sortied out with Hood vs Bis to see Hood being detonated and 8/10 guns jammed
Sortied out to pacific to work with USN, but then pearl harbour, and all the shit around the defense of singapore

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

that's it

[vague token]

beeg crit

[zenith tundra]

it did like 60 bars

[elder crane]

now do it in the BB daily
for 10x the size
(wait, does that stack additively with anything here?)

[zenith tundra]

helena debuff maybe?

[vague token]

[vague token]

i imagine it's additive because 🍝

helena probably wouldnt even boost the damage much

[ripe latch]

foxs + suruga

[prime panther]

i thought all debuffs were multiplicative

[zenith tundra]

does that mean u do 1+ enemy debuff for each debuff?

[vague token]

i mean given how damage boosters work for buffs it should be the same for debuffs, it shouldnt be multiplicative

that would be weird

[prime panther]

debuffs are all multiplicative from testing

[glacial shuttle]

if I'm doign WFC vs Namaspite, should I kill Amagi or Warkai first?

[elder crane]

I'd target down warkai first, as long as you can consistently kill his before yours, which I think WFC should do?

[zenith tundra]

i think ws should always tank focus dmg instead of formie or centaur. losing ws should still be better for win rates over one of the 2 cv

[frail orbit]

^

The point of WFC is always 2 side of damage, for VG domination and for backline kills

[light crystal]

I've decided. I'm working on this comp: Warspite (FS), Hiryuu (Up), Centaur (Down); Juneau (Lead), Reno (Mid), YKKZ (Rear). VT-18 TP on Centaur, Ryusei on Hiryuu (Aux: 2 PR Rudders, 1 Beaver, 1 FW Radar tower, 2 Beacons). Minimum of 3 Boilers on VG, with Pearl Tears on Reno.

Goal and Intent: Reno gets bonuses against CL/DD's, and decreases dmg on CV's by 10%, with YKKZ that means reduced 18% DMG on CV's. Centaur will help kill VG, and Hiryuu the Mainline. Juneau provides Heal, therefore staying power. YKKZ is hard to kill (+Mainline buffs), and has good Torps. And Warspite will be sniping Mainline (Further, on Defense fleet, if the other guy positions their Warspite to attack Centaur, they're gonna be countersniped from Warspite on middle)

[coral wren]

sounds like something my akaga can win against

[light crystal]

Against Reno and Juneau, and a Warspite countersniping one of your foxes, sure, have fun with that

[whole terrace]

I used to run something very similar to that. Presumably warspite is retrofitted?

[light crystal]

Of course.

This comp should cover most angles. Centaur, I've found, does massive damage to VG, due to the nature of her sweeping plane Barrage. A Centaur with 2 VF-17's, 1 VT -18, 1 Beacon (Slightly faster TO), one PR Rudder (So 114 EVA, 73 Luck and 7k HP), and 18% Reduced damage taken should be a bitch to kill reliably. Even when using Warspite, when your own is gonna be getting counter sniped from Warspite taking free pot shots from FS position.

And then there is Hiryuu. With Zombie skill + Beaver/Rudder + 18% reduced dmg taken. Fun times.

[whole terrace]

I wouldn't use centaur to tank warkai's barrage. She's still a carrier with 6.6k hp and medium armour. The other two ships can do that

[light crystal]

She would, of course, be strong late game at murdering the Mainline.

Nah, she's not tanking Warspite all the time. It's mostly bait. See, if I were using WS against this comp, I would target Centaur myself, cuz trying to kill Hiryuu with Zombie skill defense would mean my Vg getting farmed on by Centaur. So Centaur being up is just bait. You either say, screw it, and attack Hiryuu anyway, then there's no problem. But if you do decide to attack Centaur (Who needs to be down, forgot), then Warspite is gonna be farming your Warspite for free.

[whole terrace]

Oh ur talking about defense?

[light crystal]

Yes, defense

If Warspite is middle, she snipes the "Up" position. If Warspite is Down, she snipes Up, and vice versa.

[whole terrace]

Anyone with a decent team will be able to beat your team though, with resets and damage advantage, so defense isn't very important

[light crystal]

And I'm using a 120/200 Centaur, so 7002 HP and 74 Eva lol

That argument is mostly moot imo. Yeah, sure, u can beat it, EVENTUALLY. But is it fun resetting like 5+ times to defeat the one dude

[whole terrace]

Namaryuu won't need to reset

If u wanna stall lower level players though then sure

[light crystal]

I know this, because I've been doing PvP since October 2018, every day. I know how the WR/LR work, and good comps and all that jazz. Currently, I only need to reset like 3-5 times PER SEASON. If I were to reset more than 30 times any given season, I'd revaluate my fleet lmao

When Washington went up I started playing the game by coincidence. I never even knew the Reset feature existed or how it worked. Yet, for 300+ games, I had 100% WR, by just avoiding Juneau/Aurora users lmao

[ripe latch]

1:15 +5

[light crystal]

So yeah, my goal is just to make new, refreshing Def comps, while making the dude need to reset 4-5 times, even with "decent" fleets

The one stink on this is that it would gimp my Centaur usage in PvE (Cuz lol, running Beacon and PR Rudder Aux). I got the majority of T0-3 CV's that matter, so I can take it. Still tho, Centaur is pretty OP lmao

[ionic magnet]

CV def comps are meh especially when everybody runs warkai

your comp is decent sure but its just a straight downgrade from wfc

hiryuu will not tank anything with no amagi eva buff

[light crystal]

Well, I just went into detail why my comp would compromise WK users tho. CV's with Rudders/Beaver, 18% Dmg reduction, and having to have your own WK get sniped back for free? Sure sounds fun to me

Umm. Amagi does not raise EVA Rate, just Eva stat

So losing on like 8 Eva = End of the world?

[ionic magnet]

if you use CVs on offense, you will know that they can easily get sniped even with defense dmg debuff

now imagine putting them on defense vs a decent comp with no dmg debuff

yea its not pretty

[light crystal]

Oh no, it does raise Eva Rate, oops lol

Hmm, 10% Eva Rate Up, or 10% Dmg less taken. Oh well. Compromises are to be taken.

Well, this is all just proof of concept for now. My Reno is 200 Aff, but only lv 117. Once she's 120, I'll think of actually putting it to the test.

[whole terrace]

I think Reno could be nice to play around with, I think she’ll perform fine, but don’t expect her to outperform noshiro/azuma.

[ionic magnet]

oh youre using reno

[whole terrace]

I don’t feel she’ll outperform ibuki/aurora/neptune/sanrui etc. either

[ionic magnet]

yea just not enough synergy imo
no nagato buff for hiryuu
no formi to make centaur a god
no amagi for backline eva

and no azuma is just

[light crystal]

Centaur will kill the Azumas/CA users

Hiryuu does fine alone, provides has proper backup.

I've seen a couple of Hiryuu users outside Nagato/Amagi, and they've done unexpectedly well

[ripe latch]

reno? in pvp? to shutdown enemy planes?

[light crystal]

I already explained it, but OK

[ripe latch]

free food

[light crystal]

I'd like to see you try it, but probably not on WA I take it

I'd have to ask a couple other friends that try hard on my server to see how they do against me, if anything

[ionic magnet]

as i said its still decent but its not better than namaryuu/namaspite by any means

[light crystal]

I dunno about that

[ionic magnet]

[light crystal]

I use WK, so I'd just snipe Amagis and be done with it

With this, it sorta fucks WK users. As well as Amagi/Nagato/Hiryuu users imo, but mileage could vary based on kits

[ionic magnet]

i dont see how it fucks anyone tbh

[light crystal]

This is my current Def setup. For Attack, I simply switch Hiryuu for a 120/200 WarKai instead lol

[ionic magnet]

well goodluck ig
i'd test that if i meet you

[light crystal]

Just boils down to wanting to try something new, that works just as well

[ionic magnet]

but sadly no such thing

cos of ijn bs

[light crystal]

I say this cuz I've bee doing try hard PvP for 14 months, and I've seen shit outside meta comps that work

RN fleets can be very strong, for example.

[ionic magnet]

how do you even define "comps that can work"

you mean those that wins 1 fight in 20 matches?

[coral wren]

What's the new cookie cutter build in PvP?

[ionic magnet]

What's the new cookie cutter build in PvP?
@coral wren nothing changed really except azuma and fdg getting added after ppl get them to d25/d30

[coral wren]

Noshiro?

[light crystal]

If they make the battle last long enough, while making it hard for me. Occasionally, I have to reset against said comps, tho very rarely. Ive gone 0 resets for a season or 2, and I always go for leftest matchmaking. I dont dodge anyone

[ionic magnet]

yea noshiro is very good if you dont have azuma maxed

[coral wren]

Noshiro instead of sanrui?

Ykkz?

[light crystal]

I had Noshiro at 120/200 within 10 days of getting her. I've been using mostly for PvP, and she bae

[ionic magnet]

juneau+ykkz+(azuma>noshiro>everyone else)

[shell heron]

Claiming a new comp works really does depend on what your test opponents are. Doing multiple runs against current meta comps with a high W/R will be more convincing than leftmost opponents

[light crystal]

15% Eva rate for self, good torps, -20% torp damage taken for VG, and Crit chance and torp dmg buff for whole VG

[sterile bluff]

and i don't have her

feelsgoodman

fml

[light crystal]

Also, good Luck stat for an IJN CL lol

[sterile bluff]

i swear to god research is fucking rigged

[light crystal]

Good point Cay. Maybe I'll do that for fun one of these seasons, being top 10 at the end be dammed kek

[sterile bluff]

ok we get it u r cool

[light crystal]

Try harding AL PvP brings the chicks to bed, amrite bois

[ionic magnet]

speaking of claiming a new comp that works, mikasa is staying strong in my tests
26-4 vs a non oathed namaryuu

[ripe latch]

mikasa meta

[ionic magnet]

mikasa amagi warkai btw

[proper sorrel]

amagi and warkai carry

[ripe latch]

mikasa amagi suruga?

[ionic magnet]

just shows how broken amagi and warkai

[light crystal]

I wanna try suruga in PvP one of these days too, could b fun

[sterile bluff]

yeayeayea all the ships i don't have are amazing as fuck. Just like usual

[ripe latch]

test new comp
put juneau , war kai , amagi , hiryuu , yuki
any +1 ship
meta comp

[shell heron]

Why use Nagato when it's only BBs. Mikasa is clearly superior

[light crystal]

PR ships, Centaur, QE, YKKZ, and Juneau are perma you know

[sterile bluff]

centaur is perm?

LMFAOOOOOOOO

nice joke

[light crystal]

Ummm

[proper sorrel]

yoo i got 3 copies of centaur in 28 cubes poggers

[sterile bluff]

bruh

wtAf

im calling the cops

[ionic magnet]

didnt you have amagi already

[light crystal]

Centaur has been perm since day one bud...

[sterile bluff]

ik it's a joke saying how rare centaur is

[light crystal]

Ah, hard to tell trolls nowadays, soz lol

[sterile bluff]

my 500+ cubes tell me that she's not perm

wishing well soonTM

[ionic magnet]

you just gotta know how to bait her

[sterile bluff]

i will bait her with rateup

[ionic magnet]

doesnt matter anyways

we getting nagato soon tm

[sterile bluff]

it does

[ionic magnet]

[ripe latch]

perma nagato

[sterile bluff]

centaur matters to me

idc about nagatoot

also

all i want is sword and they give me mic

[ionic magnet]

just join the meta

[sterile bluff]

legit getting trolled

i can't join the meta

i don't have meta shipus UwU

the day i get sword is the day i officially become good at pvp

[ripe latch]

use foxs

[sterile bluff]

[ripe latch]

[light crystal]

Unique VG, but no real synergy lol

[sterile bluff]

well

jintsuu blows the other vg up with torps therefore yuki and roon won't take dmg, therefore synergy

but srsly tho sword when?

i am one click away

[ionic magnet]

they just released the sword

[sterile bluff]

[ionic magnet]

wait 6 months maybe

[sterile bluff]

no fkin way

i refuse

to believe that

no way it's 6 months

[ionic magnet]

ok 5 months

[ripe latch]

stonks

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

cuz mic was only like 3 months b4 sword

[light crystal]

It was meh

[sterile bluff]

and it's a tiny minigame event

so they can add it whenever

im giving myself hope

[ionic magnet]

and im bringing you back to reality

[sterile bluff]

NO

STOP IT

[shell heron]

that was a half-hearted torp meme there

either go full meme or don't

[sterile bluff]

we r going to get sword right after mic and that's a fact

i hope....

[ionic magnet]

why do you even need sword

[sterile bluff]

because

my friend

[ionic magnet]

when you can build namaryuu in a month

[sterile bluff]

the sword is the ultimate power!

the sword will finally end my problems

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

and my vg will finally survive

a certain CV will stop being a problem after i get sword

also warkai is op for pve as well so

[ionic magnet]

ah that CV

lol

[sterile bluff]

yes

my friend

that CV

the one that haunts my dreams

and my vg

except yuki

[ionic magnet]

bring out your eldridge then

[sterile bluff]

[shell heron]

stuff of my nightmares

[ripe latch]

belfast eldrige
flashbacks

[sterile bluff]

im srs tho

once i get sword it will solve all my problems

[eager cedar]

[sterile bluff]

and i will become god himself

GG

[eager cedar]

Sword solves all problems

[sterile bluff]

yep

[ionic magnet]

are you sure

[sterile bluff]

in pvp and pve

i am sure sir

[ripe latch]

farm monarch
w8 sword

[sterile bluff]

why not both

[ripe latch]

u start farm monarch?

[sterile bluff]

wdym by farm?

o_O

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

i am confused how do u "farm" monarch?

does she drop somewhere

imagine events dropped dev30 PRs on d3

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

cay's sandbagging chart is actually creepy
so accurate for me this season

[sterile bluff]

i believe that warkai needs another retrofit

because she's too weak and needs more balance

and she's missing a third skill

we should give sonata of chaos for warspite third skill

that should add more balance

[ripe latch]

rushers

[sterile bluff]

tryhards

[ripe latch]

+10

[proper sorrel]

wait

when was reset

[shell heron]

5 minutes ago

[ionic magnet]

[proper sorrel]

shit

[shell heron]

I got the reset times burned into my memory now

but alarms are the next best thing

[proper sorrel]

pray that i can still get into top 100 after losing 21 attacks

amagi server is pretty leany

[ionic magnet]

21 bruh are you even trying

jk but idk how hard it is to hit top 100

[vague token]

xD

[proper sorrel]

i am very much trying

except i get distracted by other things

[ripe latch]

refresh hit 101 , nani

[proper sorrel]

it is very easy to get into top 100

no need to sandbag to get into top ~50ish

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

owo a rare breed

[ripe latch]

zack smurf

[light crystal]

Looks interesting. Tho using Centaur instead of KGV would make it more of a hassle lol

Put Warspite at FS, then put Centaur Down and QE Up Keep getting it mixed up for some reason lol

[ripe latch]

its survive comp , but vulnerable vs torps

[light crystal]

Hmm, torps can mean jackshit if u use Boilers, and/or a Bulge on Juneau.

[ripe latch]

juneau on torp comp

[coral wren]

how good is spite surugay amagi or spite toesa amagi

im missing nugget

and im thinking if theres some replacement

[cobalt token]

[eager cedar]

[zenith tundra]

@coral wren i would use both and just switch in between suruga and tosa depending on opponent. suruga can easily tank ws while tosa is more offensive for namaryuu. idk if those are great comps but ws should be able to carry.
both suruga and tosa have problems that make them meh. suruga dmg is bad overall and tosa can't do much outside of dmg.

[coral wren]

[proper sorrel]

someone. ping. me. before. reset.

[zenith tundra]

don't count on me. just slept on 4 attempts

[coral wren]

someone. ping. me. before. reset.
@proper sorrel set a timer

[coral wren]

would noshiro jintsuu sendai be a bad idea for torp

[shell heron]

you want good torp or meme torp?

[proper sorrel]

wouldn't you want ibuki?

[keen sparrow]

saruga,warkai,mamagi is actually gud if dnt have nagamon

im using that n still lvling mamagi is so tired

[eager cedar]

dont you always use ibuki for torp memeing

[hot creek]

YEETbuki

Ibuki/Noshiro/Aya

[sterile bluff]

but we all know the best twerpmeme is london

[proper sorrel]

nah bulins

[naive dome]

is chinawall any good in pvp?

[keen sparrow]

+

go nut with torp meme

no saruga emote

[proper sorrel]

china wall in pvp?

[keen sparrow]

yatsen x fren

[proper sorrel]

absolutely useless if your main fleet dies before vanguard

[keen sparrow]

is bad they hp low n get rekt by aurora

[shell heron]

Last time I saw chinawall was at 110 lvl cap

[proper sorrel]

i still see chinawall in JP server pvp around ~1500 rank

free win everytime

too little dps

[shell heron]

Ah I almost forgot to move

4 matches to do

Eldridge you better not show up now

[zenith tundra]

in 7min.. u have plenty of time

[eager cedar]

[loud otter]

whats meta PVP units right now?

[zenith tundra]

check tier list in pins

[coral wren]

you want good torp or meme torp?
@shell heron whats an example of a good and a meme

[shell heron]

torp will still be meme regardless, but some pose an actual threat if they land

I ran Noshiro/Ibuki/Yuki before on def

I know some people ran noshiro/jintsuu/ayanami. That sounds extra meme to me

[coral wren]

i see what u mean now

basically meme means less focus on HP

so what about noshiro jintsuu sendai

does it work?

[zenith tundra]

meme means that is rng and it's used by people that want to easy win with resets till they get good rng

[coral wren]

what would be maximum meme then

[shell heron]

Just dropping yuki says you want pure torps

Sounds fun. Might it for fun

[keen sparrow]

bring for more fun

[coral wren]

i see..

i dont have ibuki fs5 for that meme

i guess ill do jintsuu noshiro ayaya until my ibuki bp is done

[whole terrace]

nanoda is better than ayaya but i guess it doesn't matter if ur just memeing

[crude mortar]

jintsuu is alot tankier than ibuki

and faster

[whole terrace]

She's not tankier tho

[elder crane]

Ibuki is much tankier than Jint

She's also fairly fast for a CA
Jint is fast for a CL ofc though

[shell heron]

My go to for torp meme is nanoda. But ayanami does deserve mentioning if you want to meme harder

Fate5 buki is nice but dev30 works too

[elder crane]

FS5 doesn't really make her torp harder, yeah

[crude mortar]

oh wiat I forgot jintsuu had shitty hp pool

[craggy vessel]

Does anyone know of a good guide for a HMS Queen Elizabeth PvP fleet? I'm currently using Hood, Monarch, QE, Belfast, Neptune and Juneau but unsure how best to item equip them :)

[whole terrace]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing check this guide for pvp equips on all those ships @craggy vessel

[crude mortar]

in pve enemy shelling and plane more likely to aim flagship,does plane prioritize flagship in pvp?

[elder crane]

Planes afaik do not prioritize flagship at all anywhere for suicide damage.
In PvP however, Ryuusei aimed torps (maybe also bombs? hard to tell) will preferentially aim at flagship, sometimes at bottom main fleet ship, and almost never at top slot, when all main fleet ships are afloat.

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

Shit, I think I just dropped a set of matches

[shell heron]

[elder crane]

I dropped just 1, which is but whatever

[shell heron]

just one is okay. you can still kinda make EoS top 10

or close

[hot creek]

if drop one, you might even still be top 1 eos on Sandy

As long as im not around

[eager cedar]

[crude mortar]

last reset

all of my match are +1

and I got +1 twice

BECAUSE I MISS 3 CUZ PHONE

[light crystal]

Daily Reminder that Noshiro is just the best unit. Few units can claim to be excellent in both PvP and PvE lmao

[proper sorrel]

slept through 2 resets

[junior trench]

Starting at what minimum Dev level can I effectively use Monarch in PvP?

[shell heron]

30. Her last mgm +1 is at dev30

[junior trench]

Really?

I would’ve thought at least 20 would’ve been fine, why is max Dev level required that much?

[ionic magnet]

she's fine at d25 but not really better than hood at that point

mgm+1 is gud

[light crystal]

Persobally, I would'nt use a PR1 ship outside dev 35 in pvp

[proper sorrel]

true

[coral wren]

You should only use Dev30 FDGs in PVP or else you're a scrub ||like me who has no KMS backliners||

[proper sorrel]

especially if you're taking it serious

[light crystal]

Looking forward to wut Dev 35 brings for Azuma and FDG once PR3 rolls around

[shell heron]

I disagree with needing fate5 before PR1 ships become usable in PvP

lvl 120 dev30 Monarch/Ibuki/Neptune is very usable

[eager cedar]

[elder crane]

Monarch, FdG all get half of their main gun damage at dev 30

MGM+1 is literally 1/3 of main gun damage output in PvP, and you also have main gun efficiency boost

PvE is different since the first salvo is better than the two MGM+1 salvos, due to aiming and time dilation
in PvP, first salvo difference is only on HMS with Warkai basically

[upper sparrow]

if i use amagi and suruga as backline, who should take the flag spot?

[shell heron]

Nagato?

Nagato/Amagi/Suruga is a viable comp

[elder crane]

If you don't have Nagato
depends on who you're facing
Suruga gets placed to absorb the most damage ideally
Amagi gets placed opposite something she can focus down ideally

[light crystal]

Yo, nice. Might be weak, but has thought going into it. Like it.

[eager cedar]

oops missed 3

[vague token]

i think i just dropped some, was helping my parents with something xD

[eager cedar]

92 1383

this couldve been a good season for me

[vague token]

my lists have been ultra dead so it's w/e

[eager cedar]

i was out chopping wood

[proper sorrel]

missed 15 today

[shell heron]

that's a full day

[keen sparrow]

im just lvling mamagi at pvp for free exp

no reward

[light crystal]

Yo, nice looking Defense. But I'd probably put Warspite middle to make it even more annoying.

[proper sorrel]

would it be annoying though?

[light crystal]

I guess he put Suruga middle for better Barrage coverage. But even then, having Warspite middle would render her able to take pot shots for free while never getting targeted by an enemy Wrspite back.

[shell heron]

I think it works out pretty well. There's better barrage coverage like you said and she can tank better

[light crystal]

Shoot, the only thing is I'd feel slightly guilty about stealing someone's else comp. My Suruga is 600k away from 120 (already 200 aff), and I can practically do what he's doing lmao

[keen sparrow]

huh???

[light crystal]

Like, this is my PvE setup for Suruga atm. Only thing I'd change is the White Shell for a Rudder or Beaver, then bam!

Suruga would be better than Naagto anyway. More reliable Barrage, aids on Mainline being more Tankey. Just as solid Statline (Except poopy Luck).

[keen sparrow]

my warspite can tank any dmg since i put sg+rudder excpet amagi is double sg for more meme

when i use queen before amagi she can tank all more eva

[light crystal]

Quick question, u came up with that comp urself, or is it well known? I haven't really seen it much on Washington

[keen sparrow]

ltr i want test how warkai with amagi 10% eva rate buff

that at sandy n i use suruga qe warkai before

since now have amagi i just replace the useless queen

[proper sorrel]

i mean if more people looked at #pvp you'll probably see more

[light crystal]

Cuz here's the thing, I'm already using Nagato, Amagi, WK, Juneau, Noshiro and YKKZ. Tho I just naturally used the lineup without looking it up. It was only after the fact that I saw people were suggesting it as well that I thought it wasn't particularly too hard to thought of lol

Would only need to swap out Nagato for Suruga in this case

[keen sparrow]

suruga is more tank than nagato that all, barrage dmg is ok not op like nagato

i use suruga coz i dnt have nagato

nagato mk2

[light crystal]

Well, Nagato barrage is indeed very strong, but relying on 40% instead of say 70% ain't the same ball game lol

I'll take reliability over dice game haha

[keen sparrow]

yes nagato is more on rng but if her can proc barrage 2/3x that will make enemy press reset

[light crystal]

About the only thing that'd I miss on not using Nagato is Noshiro and YKKZ losing some teeth. So eh