pvp

[granite flame]

[zenith tundra]

i've been stuck at 29 for more then a week in en

[crude mortar]

I got 2 today

in a row

idk how

9 to 11

39 to go

[zenith tundra]

that one guy must have lucksac a lot since no one posted another yet

[frail orbit]

Well

His peeps got like

40ish atm

[crude mortar]

how

the fuck

there must be some speical dark art theory how ot get that fast

wanna know what research he spam

[granite flame]

try asking AL JP/CN discords #pvp

[crude mortar]

cuz people got 40 and he got 50

thjere must be some special secret for sure

[frail orbit]

Naaa

I meant

[zenith tundra]

don't use cubes? but that didn't work for me in jp

[frail orbit]

His peeps

Aka his friends

[crude mortar]

cuz 1 guy 50 maybe lucky

[hot creek]

there is no secret. just spam proper equipment research, have large research uptime and lucker dog it.

[crude mortar]

but 1 guy 50 and friend 40

thats not normal

[hot creek]

24/7 research uptime can be achieved if account sharing with someone in another timezone

I would offer to partner with someone

[granite flame]

the forbidden ways

[hot creek]

but nobody want to

[crude mortar]

even sharing it doesn't mean they gonna get 50 like that

[hot creek]

so instead I fuck up my sleep schedule

[crude mortar]

other people still around 20?

[granite flame]

sharing ur accounts together in dif timezones would be effective and a win win for both players

[zenith tundra]

i think most people that do consistent research are around 30 by now

[crude mortar]

maybe sharing account is the answer

[frail orbit]

Closest to 40 that I know is Nerrezza of gph

He got like

37

Atm

[hot creek]

I could help the euros here with my best coast west coast (PST) timezone . And euros could help me out

[zenith tundra]

i don't need 2 anyway. if i ever get a 2nd one is because devs are slacking on pr3

[frail orbit]

Well am doing lots of em

But my shit RNG

Dahm

[granite flame]

how much of a difference does 457 make?

all i know is its the best bb gun in the game atm

[frail orbit]

A lot

[granite flame]

for specific ships

[frail orbit]

For example

Wakai

[crude mortar]

*warspite

[hot creek]

I am at 38/50, and thats with doing cube research.

[zenith tundra]

a normal twin gun with fire does as much dps on medium as 457 with raw dmg

[crude mortar]

does cube research actually that matter?

[frail orbit]

Yeah

Am also doing it too but

[eager cedar]

Yes

[frail orbit]

I rarely got god project

[crude mortar]

are you sure?

I dont wanna waste cube for nothing

[frail orbit]

At least nowadays got like lots of em

Spam em now

[hot creek]

I probably get around 21/7 research uptime. Cube research is supposed to slow down 457 research

since it doesnt drop equipment

[frail orbit]

But god project tho

[hot creek]

so im basically saying I could have more 457 prints

[granite flame]

457 work on SHS salvo ships like massa?

[crude mortar]

...

[frail orbit]

Yes

[granite flame]

sorry for being noob i have almost no knowledge on the gun besides its rare

and used on warspite

[frail orbit]

Same w/ gascomuse

[zenith tundra]

shs has worse mods then the actual gun tho

55 145 125 457
60 135 115 shs

[vague token]

tfw ship with skills get creeped by pr

xD

[zenith tundra]

this is almost as hard as it can hit. need more fleet tech

even manual gascogne didn't crit past 19k

[vague token]

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

holy fuck...

how's that even possible

22k NANI???

[zenith tundra]

2 shells, a 457, 50% level advantage bonus and a ship that has a crit dmg skill

[sterile bluff]

can warspite hit that much?

[frail orbit]

Not even

[zenith tundra]

gascogne with 180% mg eff and 40% dmg bonus only hits 19k

[frail orbit]

That is basically

[sterile bluff]

yea i think warspite's alpha dmg will be lower

cuz only 140% eff

[frail orbit]

The power of balding on FDG crit

[sterile bluff]

but tot dmg tho

ok time for more calculations

what lv is that fdg zack?

[crude mortar]

helenabuff qe buff huehuehue

[zenith tundra]

tbh most ws dps comes from fp skill and accuracy

[frail orbit]

She's like

Boring but practical

No need for actually balding her snipe either

[sterile bluff]

yea i think ws has strong dps but not as much alpha dmg

laaaaag

so fdg has better shelling than ws? If we consider ws's acc, luck, spread reduction, reload, etc etc

[zenith tundra]

i haven't done ws calculation yet

[frail orbit]

FDG got more dmg potential

[zenith tundra]

but fdg skill is nuts

[sterile bluff]

i always thought ws was best sheller in the game

[frail orbit]

But more balding

Either u lose ur hair cells like Saitama

Or just derp on muh barrage anyway

[sterile bluff]

all i want is ⚔️

and they give us 🎤

so fdg's strongest skill is the dmg booster skill right?

"increase crit dmg by 50%" holy fuck

[zenith tundra]

her weakest skill is siren killer for sure

[sterile bluff]

wow... ya don't say...

and that maya is med armor?

[zenith tundra]

her barrage has some nice things like a 2s fire that can do quite a bit of damage. support skill is very good too with the buffs

yes medium

[sterile bluff]

but bro... 50% crit increase

why not just make her one hit everything?

[zenith tundra]

5k crits kind of do that already

[sterile bluff]

i can't wait to get her

fdg i mean

she starts getting good at like what? 20?

[vague token]

i mean the siren killer skills are fine

[zenith tundra]

good for pvp or pve?

[vague token]

they all get them

xD

[sterile bluff]

both

i assume shes good for pvp sooner

but i wanna use her for pve too, to do what zack just did

[zenith tundra]

u can start using her for pve at dev 10 with maxed skills. for pvp tbh only dev 30

[sterile bluff]

rly?

i thought she'd be good for pvp sooner

[zenith tundra]

that mg dmg skill won't boost much with mgm +1

[sterile bluff]

she has 2mgm tho

b4 30

[frail orbit]

U need 3 MGM

To actually beat things

On PVP

[sterile bluff]

tru

[frail orbit]

FDG that is

[sterile bluff]

but i thought fdg's main thing is tanking shit

[frail orbit]

Nein

[sterile bluff]

that hp pool is hilarious

[frail orbit]

U ever played Honkai? Basically she's a char from Honkai. High dmg, but roll crit is ridiculous enuff.

Bald for em hits

Not to mention her. Hit

[zenith tundra]

when i tested dev 25 fdg she wasn't really better then hiryuu with namagi

[sterile bluff]

i do play honkai but i stopped

[frail orbit]

So awful

I tell u

It's so cancerous nowadays

I stopped whaling for it

[coral wren]

at what dlevel do i replace azuma with my noshiro

[frail orbit]

5th star

[sterile bluff]

what?

[frail orbit]

Ohh

[coral wren]

d20 then. thx

[sterile bluff]

u mean replace noshi with azuma?

[frail orbit]

Noshi

[coral wren]

umm

yes i meant replace noshiro with azuma

[sterile bluff]

[coral wren]

[sterile bluff]

i was confused af

[coral wren]

my bad

[sterile bluff]

you killed like half my brain cells

[frail orbit]

No 5th star then my bad

[sterile bluff]

im suing u

[frail orbit]

Even then

Derp af

[coral wren]

dont sue me

[sterile bluff]

too late

[frail orbit]

But usable

[coral wren]

i dont have money for a lawyer

i spent it on AL

[frail orbit]

At least not as janky as FDG non d30

[coral wren]

ahh i see...

so FDG is a must d30

[zenith tundra]

azuma dev 20 with nagato is fine without nagato i would wait for 25

[frail orbit]

^

[coral wren]

mk

[frail orbit]

And assuming u ran Namawakai or Namaryu

[coral wren]

it would take until when nagato reruns for me to have d20 so

[frail orbit]

It's fine

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

Oh F then

[coral wren]

ye

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

still using akaga

[frail orbit]

2020

[coral wren]

actually alot people recommended HMS

i just dont want to

[ripe latch]

still using akaga
@coral wren f

[frail orbit]

No Wakai?

[coral wren]

i have

spitekai hood qe

but umm i dont want to

[frail orbit]

WFC da wae lah

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

But well

[coral wren]

<-----

shes a problem

[frail orbit]

As if u have the eq and level

[coral wren]

<----- shes also a problem so

[frail orbit]

1-1.5s is the gold number

[coral wren]

[ripe latch]

<------shes also problem

[coral wren]

lmfao u what

[frail orbit]

Or u gotta jank on their janky ass

[coral wren]

whats 1-1.5s mean

also um question here

[frail orbit]

Timing gap

[sterile bluff]

actually alot people recommended HMS
@coral wren allow me to introduce u to my religion

[coral wren]

oh i see..

lmfaoo

so um back to my question

if i get nagato in the future, can nakaga win against namaryuu

[sterile bluff]

prolly not

[frail orbit]

999999999

[coral wren]

ofc ill reset couple times, but can i win?

[frail orbit]

Only newb bald for pvp win

[coral wren]

confusion

[frail orbit]

Unless

Against other namagi

Vets do bald too but

No need to do it as much

[coral wren]

what does bald mean

i am beyond confused

[frail orbit]

Reroll til u got best RNG

[coral wren]

ohhhhh

[frail orbit]

That is suited for urs

[coral wren]

mhm

so if i keep doing "bald"

can i win??

[frail orbit]

Low chance of actually accomplished that

[zenith tundra]

i feel like nakaga will fail more dealing with ws defense once 457 is more common. u'll lose a fox 15s in and even with max defense gear they won't get to 2nd airstrike most of the time

[frail orbit]

^

[coral wren]

oh

[frail orbit]

In pvp

[coral wren]

so warspite more problem

[frail orbit]

U want more tank nowadays

While no lack of dmg

Jack of all stats
Jacking Break

[coral wren]

feels bad that i have to convert

when i get nagato

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

No need to feel bad

[sterile bluff]

omg what is that comp

[coral wren]

oh god

[frail orbit]

Wtf

[ripe latch]

foodcomp

[coral wren]

[sterile bluff]

that guy probably hates amagi

[coral wren]

i wanna say i can win

[sterile bluff]

[coral wren]

agianst that

[ripe latch]

fck no points

[coral wren]

but then

[frail orbit]

Mamagi best floof
Fite me

[coral wren]

not going to

:p

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

i see that women with the white cap and i get scared

[coral wren]

lmfao

[sterile bluff]

my goal is to one day not be afraid of her

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

oh yea

[sterile bluff]

that's legit my ultimate goal in pvp

[coral wren]

does namagi enty work

[sterile bluff]

that's why i need the holy sword of excalibur

[coral wren]

since enty is similar to hiryuu in a way thats way more rng

[frail orbit]

XX slot should be IJN

Also diff efficiency

[coral wren]

ohhhhh....

[zenith tundra]

why enty when hiryuu is free..,,

[coral wren]

hmmm

i see

[frail orbit]

^

[coral wren]

enty cuz im lazy to level ships but meh ill do it

[sterile bluff]

the sword will solve all my problems

[frail orbit]

U want Hiryu for torps

[ripe latch]

hiryu is enty kai

[coral wren]

enty has a retro irl i think i heard someone told me that before

[frail orbit]

Enty is jack of all stats
JACKING BREAK
Master of none personified

But not in AL atm

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

mhm

when in AL

[frail orbit]

125% all effi is derp

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

And better not talk about speculation

[coral wren]

yup

[zenith tundra]

enty retro will break something for sure. but if it doesn't happen before next level cap it might be too late

[coral wren]

also um will i lose against other namaryuu if i dont have super good gear?

say if i get namaryuu

[frail orbit]

Now am confused
Who tf is Kamen Rider Thouser aka Kamen Rider Tosa
Is it Tosa or is it Enty considering both being derp anyway

[coral wren]

just asking

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

like in a namaryuu mirror match does gear matter alot

[frail orbit]

Ye

[coral wren]

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu mirror is terrible like as bad as it gets

[coral wren]

lmfao

[frail orbit]

^

[sterile bluff]

pretty sure in any mirror match gear is the key

cuz that's the only difference

and levels

[coral wren]

but then i have spitekai at pretty nice level

[sterile bluff]

gimme

sword

[coral wren]

so i should probably avoid the namaryuu mirror by doing namagi spite

[sterile bluff]

now

[frail orbit]

Just Namawakai 4head

[coral wren]

but i like hiryuu

more security

[zenith tundra]

u can just use ws for namaryuu and switch to hiryuu if u ever need a tank

[frail orbit]

No need for security

When u on offense

[coral wren]

hmm

i see...

[frail orbit]

🧠

[sterile bluff]

just do waryuu then

[coral wren]

so no need to raise hiryuu?

[ripe latch]

namaryuu mirror is terrible like as bad as it gets
@zenith tundra if shot amagi - free food

[frail orbit]

Just raise her if u want solid def fleet

[coral wren]

eh

defense fleet

[ripe latch]

but imagine amagi kill amagi

[coral wren]

why would i want to raise hiryuu just for defense fleet where people reset couple times and win

[sterile bluff]

because sometimes ppl can't win

ppl like me

[coral wren]

lmfao

[shell heron]

That extra reset is nice because it stalls them

[coral wren]

umm

[elder crane]

reminder than when I try out experimental teams

[coral wren]

stalling doesnt really make a difference

does it?

[frail orbit]

Forcing peeps to actually bald

[elder crane]

it's usually Hiryuu that I can't get past

[shell heron]

An extra minute can cost you a match or 2 for sandbaggers

[elder crane]

ez steamroll everything

[coral wren]

hmmmm

[elder crane]

Hiryuu team blocks me 5 matches in a row

[frail orbit]

Unless Amagi VH

[coral wren]

i see..

[frail orbit]

But then

[coral wren]

so hiryuu actually does cuck people

[frail orbit]

Namaryu usually VH Hiryu

[coral wren]

VH?

[frail orbit]

Amagi on HPFCR

[elder crane]

Rudder Amagi is just as bad for wsret

we just established that earlier

[shell heron]

I know something about namaryuu cucked me when I afked for because of over confidence

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

Lul rudder

1 only keks

[elder crane]

Rudder on amagi on average is just as bad (actually, ever so slightly worse) for WSret/normal BB shelling than VH is

also is much less vulnerable to torpmemes

[frail orbit]

Am using VH + rudder anyway bkoz why not

[coral wren]

VH u mean VH armor right?

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

VH you use on main fleet to cuck Amagi/nagato barrages

[coral wren]

like the event limited one?

[elder crane]

on medium armor ships
that's it

yep, event limited one

[coral wren]

ew

thats a big issue

[frail orbit]

Mikasa event

[shell heron]

Yes

[elder crane]

lol Mikasa event

[coral wren]

any replacement for it

[elder crane]

it's Suruga EX server raid

[coral wren]

cuz im new so....

[frail orbit]

Ehh keks

[elder crane]

run PR rudder

[frail orbit]

Ye suruga

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

Lmao

[coral wren]

rudder?

[frail orbit]

Forgot shit keks

IHR

[coral wren]

u mean the one that looks like a washing machine?

oh okay yes

[elder crane]

PR research equipment

yes

[frail orbit]

Improve dhydraulic rudder

Ye

[coral wren]

hmm i see

[frail orbit]

Washing machine

[coral wren]

what about the other slot

[frail orbit]

SG

[coral wren]

need to learn these stuff for my amagi akaga

it still works right

[frail orbit]

SG washing machine da wae

[coral wren]

i see..

[frail orbit]

Wakai could use white shell tho

[elder crane]

Pretty sure AmKaga needs to run Amagi offensively

[frail orbit]

But u want evasion

[coral wren]

oh..

[elder crane]

SG+White Shell

[ripe latch]

omae wa mou shindeiru...

[elder crane]

Akaga does worse the longer matches are

[coral wren]

ah i see..

ohh

[elder crane]

at least run 2 SG imo

[coral wren]

hood gun?

👀

[elder crane]

Yes

barrage spam

[coral wren]

**looks at hood that will get replaced by amagi **

[elder crane]

DrH (PR2 406) is good too

[coral wren]

ohh

that one.

yea i heard of it but umm poverty

actually whats that aux gun

[hot creek]

EFC new meta

[frail orbit]

@ripe latch this one better cuck for ya

[ripe latch]

VH

[frail orbit]

Well I ran Namawakai and WFC

Just not to be bothered to change equips

[ripe latch]

kek

[frail orbit]

Pardon me anyway for being plug and go kind of peeps

[ripe latch]

this amagi for 1 ws kai skill and 2 amagi barrages

[frail orbit]

Always anticipate em

Wakai being popular for any offense comp

Can't fault my way

[ripe latch]

1 enty with double catapulte = 50% war kai hp , but this really degen way

but work..

[frail orbit]

And only mad lads do 2catas on pvp

Let alone bringing Enty

WFC da wae bruh

MUH SLOWTORPMEME

[ripe latch]

bruh

[sterile bluff]

research legit hates my ass

[frail orbit]

See

This is why Formie comp derp in def

[vague token]

lul

[shell heron]

The fleet doesn't looked geared properly

[hot creek]

Enty is underrated. She has potential to cuck even Hiryuu, if Hiryuu gets unlucky with timing when both VG's are gone and backline reloads get sped up, it will be Lucky E's all day long and 15 second invlun will only save you for so long

[coral wren]

almost full 120

[frail orbit]

Also lul torpmeme

[coral wren]

but not 13k

[ripe latch]

w8 new season , lost many exer..

[zenith tundra]

i never lost to a enty defense tho

[shell heron]

If geared, it should be at least 14k

[elder crane]

Enty only works if you proc Hiryuu with not-Enty, or early enough that enty doesn't die

[vague token]

eh, i havent had problems with enty in like forever

[elder crane]

and doesn't get hit by anything else when skill is down

[ripe latch]

imagine you enty proc more then 1 time..

[coral wren]

my opponents enty always do that

[vague token]

mostly because ws sinks her really fast

[ripe latch]

see last record - 7 in row

[shell heron]

I almost did this season, somehow my VG got wiped by that eld/lusty fleet with amagi and enty

[hot creek]

It doesnt happen often but I've had to reset against NamagiE while using my own Namagiryuu enough to take note of it.

[shell heron]

I was confused

[coral wren]

namagE

[ripe latch]

eld can win

[hot creek]

NamagiE defense with torps can cuck u too

[coral wren]

is torp team a good idea

[shell heron]

Eld forced a reset and had a match go for more than a minute

[hot creek]

torps will often make you trade VGs and once that happens you are at the mercy of Lucky E procs

[ripe latch]

maybe try eldi 2 boilers?

[frail orbit]

2020 and peeps still running Eld smhw

When Nanoda is better loli koz lolipai

Oh well
Nothing more than Cay losing to Eldridge

[hot creek]

torp team in general is not that great on offense due to conisistency issues but has potential for defense because if opponent gets unlucky it can force reset. Also the fact that VG battles take place closer towards the attacking side, enemy torps can reach backline.

[ripe latch]

pff peeps using nanoda and eld on ~2k rank or above

stonks

[frail orbit]

Dgaf

Mine Yuki Junno

Jun Noshi keks

[hot creek]

Eldridge is underrated these days as well imo. She only gets countered by fox sisters really but nobody use them anymore so Eld can be really annoying sometimes if your Nagato doesnt proc or Amagi barrage doesnt aim for VG

[ripe latch]

fdg and azuma *3

stonks x2

[frail orbit]

Her slow speed mitigates that tho

Unless well

2 boiler meme

Then it's just utter 🤮

[hot creek]

slow doesnt matter, she will get her operation rainbow proc

[ripe latch]

azuma juneau eld

[hot creek]

honestly I would raise my eld to 120 if i wasnt so lazy

[shell heron]

Using foxes
getting stalled by eld

[frail orbit]

And thats the definition of u

Amirite cay

[shell heron]

I'm prob one of the few people that gets stalled by her

[elder crane]

The problem with Eld is that you catch all the BB shells
So then Amagi and Nagato ignite your vanguard, which means they're almost dead since Eld doesn't stop fires

CA movement speed

also she'll sometimes randomly just explode instead of procing skill

[shell heron]

It shouldn't work, until it does on that rare chance Eld survives past 20s

[hot creek]

exactly, just like torp memes, theres a chance for things to go awfully wrong for you opponent. And when it does

when things go right, RNG comps put up more of a fight than whatever typical meta defense what have you

[elder crane]

Eld really doesn't though

a proper torpmemes forces around same amount of resets as stall for namaryuu, slightly more for namagiWS/etc (more consistent teams)
Eld, I've only ever had trouble with when I went full meme and ran FC Hiryuu, and she potentially hard counters all of that team

[ripe latch]

CA movement speed
@elder crane ♿ this faster then CA

[elder crane]

Well, Eld is technically speaking iirc slower than most CA

so yeah

especially the ones PvP-viable

[crude mortar]

25speed dd

wtf

[past egret]

Z destroyers z destroyers

[ionic magnet]

BB shells miss regardless of speed
thats why non barrage BBs are garbo in pvp
and speed is the least of your concern when you want eldridge to get hit in the first place
and if youre really worried about BB shells you can always put FE+boiler on her
shes just as legit as any other meta VGs tbh
if anything, her only problem is making juneau too tanky to the point where she actually costs you the game

[keen sparrow]

gt 4bonus this morning, thx rng to make me fight no 1 3 time

[elder crane]

just as legit as any other meta VG
Why don't you set her as your VG and let's see testing results, hmm?
Meet you in top 10 during next rush?
I've never had anything close to trouble vs Eld with a proper team

Is she particularly bad?
No, she's on the edge, maybe in a diff meta she'd be better
Is she anywhere near best option?
Lolno

I can also set her in defense team, any setup you want

120/200

[ionic magnet]

i skipped this season so you'd have to wait til next
but i already tested her before anyways
would i rate her above torp memes and azuma? ofc no
she belongs to the everything else category (along with like sanrui belfast nep etc) which is still legit but not the best options

[elder crane]

Lol I wish
I wouldn't put her with sanrui belfast nep sheff

She's with sandykai

And ayamemes

At best

[ionic magnet]

sandykai is useless tbh i wont put her that far

[elder crane]

then let's test sandykai vs eld
if on same tier, eld should take games off of her every so often, no?

and other way around

[vague token]

sandy can do a bit of damage at least

xD

[ionic magnet]

i thought we're talking about rating them on def fleet

[elder crane]

yes
but if they're roughly equal on defense
then as offense, they should be winning around 80% or so vs each other

[shell heron]

The current meta is slower that Eldridge is not completely useless

I don't expect to lose against an Eld comp, but it was surprising that it almost defeated me

[ionic magnet]

well i wont really consider both of them on offense so i wont argue there

[elder crane]

yeah, I'd put her at around the edge, like sandykai or ayamemes
ayamemes being strictly on def cause it's ayamemes, lol

[shell heron]

At most it's an 1:30 match

[elder crane]

yeah, Eld is occasionally slightly annoying, but I don't think I've ever had a 1:30 match vs her yet
1:30 very occasionally happens with namaryuu though

well, in mirror at least

[ionic magnet]

yea aya is with her ig but sandykai is 100% food so

[elder crane]

warkai flex spot is faster

eld is also 100% food

[ionic magnet]

shes a food that can delay your fights

sandykai doesnt do anything except free wins

[elder crane]

idk, let's try that out

[vague token]

na sandy memes on double cv

unless you are doing something weird

[elder crane]

let's see if eld actually delays a proper team

[ionic magnet]

oh it already happened

[elder crane]

Don't you run some meme team lol

[ionic magnet]

ask cay

[shell heron]

must have been awful RNG with Lucky E that deleted my VG that one time.

[elder crane]

what were you running?

[shell heron]

I run torp meme. with namaryuu

on offense?

[elder crane]

offense, into that eld stall

[shell heron]

that time it was juneau/dev20 azuma/ykk with namaspite

[elder crane]

I suppose using azuma vs eld is a bit cheat

huh, seriously?

[shell heron]

it was weird

[elder crane]

doesn't Azuma like blow up eld in 20 s lol

[shell heron]

not sure where she was aiming

wasn't paying attention

[vague token]

dev 20 azuma doesnt shoot anything any faster than dev 15

[elder crane]

???

more reload, more FP

also easier to tell since stars

[ionic magnet]

well azuma can be blind sometimes shooting waters

[vague token]

and what is the relative boost in fp compared to getting more efficiency

[elder crane]

anyone here have a dev 15 Azuma to compare stats?

[vague token]

[shell heron]

there's only one player that's running that eld/lusty/enty comp.

[vague token]

mine is 21

[shell heron]

I'll have to do tests against it later

[ionic magnet]

mines 24

[elder crane]

I'll keep an eye out for it

[ionic magnet]

she freaking needs 45 bps to get to d25

[shell heron]

it's only IvanNoir that runs belfast/eld/ykk? and amagi/lusty/enty

that's a fleet focused around eld. quite focused

my azuma is also dev21 now, need 4 more for 22

[ionic magnet]

that comp is screaming "i dont want to win but you shall get stalled"

[elder crane]

I can run that myself if you want to test
I wonder what equips

have all those pieces 120/200

[shell heron]

you know what, I'll switch to that

it's free tests if you find me

[elder crane]

it's a date

what was fleet speed like?

[shell heron]

should just be average vg speed right

[elder crane]

averages to CL speed basically

[shell heron]

I use boiler on all 3 of them

averages out to 41, close to base ykk speed

actually not that bad, it's not gonna include badge buff

not using it on meme fleet

[elder crane]

Just badge Amagi

SG/Badge
pretty legit in general

or HPFCR/Badge

[shell heron]

could work, nagato would just use rudder/sg instead of badge

[upper sparrow]

is suruga-warkai-amagi or warkai-amagi-formi legit? amagi should put on flag or not?

[shell heron]

ngl. I like WS/Amagi/Formi more

WS flag, I learned recently that she will target top first if flag so easy early snipe

[vague token]

ive had more luck with formi mid

[elder crane]

Same on preferring WS/Amagi/Formi

that would be my rec too

[vague token]

if they use warspite formi cant handle amagi+warspite pressure

cause her base hp is a bit low

+nagato splash

formi mid only has to handle 2

[elder crane]

Amagi with VH/SG should be good here

[vague token]

and she can shrug off hiryuu basic airstrikes fine

oh and azuma leads with armor can soak nagato barrages for her

mid formi is definitely the safest spot for her

[upper sparrow]

amagi vh armor?

[vague token]

i stopped using it xD

cause azuma is a better screen

[ionic magnet]

formi can tank ws+amagi just fine tbh
id rather put warkai mid cos seattle gun hits nothing if shes on the sides

[vague token]

she dies too fast for me

[ionic magnet]

with rudder?

[shell heron]

Oh hi Kiro, you're on my list again

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

i dont think i can do 5 in 5 minutes

unless you are at 5

or w/e

[shell heron]

I'm at 5 already

[vague token]

oh ok

then i can just wait

rudder/fuel formi has problems for me because it's 3 vs her

while in mid it's 2 vs her

so it's safer

warspite bottom eats line torps better than amagi bottom

[hot creek]

fuck. I think I just used my final refresh to avoid a -1

[vague token]

ok gonna blow all fights here we go

[shell heron]

today doesn't matter as much. using all refreshes tomorrow is bad

I wonder if it's enough for +2 this time

[vague token]

im gonna eat a lot of 9s i think

yeah im at 6/10 and rank 30 or w/e

hopefully it'll be enough for the +2

what are you at right now?

[shell heron]

2340

[vague token]

might be doable lemme see

im at 2379 with 5/10

should be doable

[shell heron]

doable

[vague token]

even with 8s

[shell heron]

this is collusion

and it's amzing

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

inb4 banned for collusion

xD

jk the mods know we do this

yeah four 9s

im at like rank 3 now lo

[upper sparrow]

imagine get banned coz doing pvp co-op

[vague token]

tfw you are rank 2 and roll rank 1

xD

no refresh

[upper sparrow]

[vague token]

only eating -4 total

xD

[shell heron]

much less than I thought

[vague token]

the power of rng

[shell heron]

Thank you for the +2

may your event banners be blessed

[vague token]

guess ill hang out in 1st for a bit

xD

[coral wren]

I barely got in top 10 (for now). I
Can't beat people whom just have good rng and a lot of money.
(Amagi server)

[sour oasis]

I made an Amagi account and.. Holy crap I completely forgot how grind heavy the start is. How do I even get cube and coin to Build.

[forest lake]

[zenith tundra]

i wouls guess clearing chapters? the missions for those seem to give resources to build

[vague token]

why am i still rank 1

xD

[past egret]

Best comp on Amagi server is WASD Amagi right now right?

[shell heron]

I was close to getting you again. got r2 instead

[vague token]

xD

im at 0 anyways

[shell heron]

WASDA sounds pretty strong atm

HMS is somewhat there because centaur is perma

[proper sorrel]

im still deciding if i should use hiryuu or centaur for wasd

[shell heron]

you didn't get Amagi yet?

[proper sorrel]

you're assuming i have any luck in gacha games

[shell heron]

I like centaur more. Hiryuu lose that 20% dmg buff without nagato

[vague token]

hood/amagi/hiryuu had good odds against wasd/amagi

[shell heron]

guy doesn't have amagi yet

[vague token]

rip

[shell heron]

WASD is a pretty strong combo already. the 3rd ship can be whatever you like more I guess

nothing wrong with hiryuu kai. She's still good without Nagato. Even more so because WS kai isn't there yet

[proper sorrel]

i mean i do have a warspite on hand but eh

doubt the sword will come anytime soon

[topaz stag]

Is Azuma still relevant in exercise, or is Noshiro simply better now

[ionic magnet]

its the other way around

[vague token]

both is very strong too

[ionic magnet]

azuma will be your best choice after d25-d30

before that, noshiro is just a safer pick

[topaz stag]

Hmmm. Do you put VH armor on Azuma?

[ionic magnet]

gyro rudder

[topaz stag]

Oh. That make sense.

Got it. Thanks man.

[ionic magnet]

theres too many torp memes around so VH isnt as good imo

if youre not fighting against them, VH is no doubt better tho

[topaz stag]

Exactly what I'm thinking. People still shilling VH armor tho.

[vague token]

torp memes arent a problem still with noshiro/azuma

xD

[ionic magnet]

or that yea

[vague token]

unless the rng is so great you lose anyways

in which case rng

on average armor azuma should still have double the hp of all non-ibuki memes anyways

or more

afterwards you can just counter with gun

ykkz/azuma however will probably take a lot

so it's different for that pair

azuma/noshiro has better anti weakness of Armor cause of the increased aa on noshiro compared to ykkz and torp resistance

of course noshiro is much squishier than ykkz so

you gotta decide what you want

basically noshiro = sharing is caring

ykkz = the roach that never dies

takes less thinking to use azuma/ykkz

[ionic magnet]

i tried noshi+azuma before but ykkz is still the better stall so i went back to ykkz+azuma

[vague token]

xD

i mean it depends on backline

[ionic magnet]

and will just get better as we see more azumas around

tho noshi is really good too

[vague token]

like noshi also boosts azuma dps

crit rate on barrage and guns is nice

just a little bit of everything

[ionic magnet]

wait is ISSS next on our rerun list

or french event

[proper sorrel]

aye we don't know

[vague token]

mle farm oh no

[meager dawn]

french event

[proper sorrel]

something about intern tells me it's essex

[meager dawn]

cuz of his status?

[ionic magnet]

nah noone cares about essex

[vague token]

midway when

armored eagle cv plz

[ionic magnet]

so isss came out on april
french one came on june

time to save coobes

wow been a year already

without nagato

[empty grove]

Then we see him fall into the meta

& his meme HMS fleet becomes reality

[hot creek]

aotn 5/10

[shell heron]

Why cant avrora be that easy

[zenith tundra]

i had 2600 score and lost 4 attempts and couldn't get aotn without rushing early in jp. so much fun

also just saw a comp with azuma using pearl

[charred sable]

I was able to barely rush a top 10 at the midnight reset having only missed 1 attack. Wasn't able to on Friday or during the day on Saturday. Even though it's event time, Avrora never slacks

3 hrs later, pushed down to r42

[smoky elk]

did gensui then call it a day

[charred sable]

Why do some guides recommend the 406 over the 381 for Nagato and Amagi? Both ships are barrage types whose barrage damage is independent of gun damage, so I've always thought you'd want to dish out those added barrages as fast as possible, which could make the difference in a close fight. Or am I missing something here (e.g. something timing related maybe?)

It's 16% more shell-only damage in exchange for 8% slower reload, but that 8% slower reload also means 8% slower barrage

[ripe latch]

for offensive/def . If u not using def fleet - any gun

on offensive if u want dmg - double sg and 406

[zenith tundra]

381 is bis for amagi. 406 is good for nagato since gives her more shelling when she isn't proccing

the difference in timings don't really matter much

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

the only thing u can consider 381 better at is that it finishes all shelling on 3rd reload before opponent fdg with 457 starts attacking

i usually pick in between 406 and 381 based on 3rd ship timings too. like for someone like fdg or ws that use 457 i would pick 381 so she doesn't overlap a lot. if i were to use tosa i would use 406 (457 if available) on nagato to avoid overlap too much with tosa 381

[ripe latch]

tested amagi and ws kai with 406 , really degen way if put 406 on amagi . If on ws kai , amagi barrage 381 + 1 hit + ws kai skill = hiryuu proc counter

but amagi no need dmg

[frail orbit]

If anything
PVE only 406skc Mamagi smhw viable

[zenith tundra]

amagi mg is not guaranteed to hit backlines at all even less the opposite one

[frail orbit]

Since PVE being PVE tho

[ripe latch]

if vs hiryuu comp - 1 hit enough

[zenith tundra]

idk what hiryuu u found that final counters after 1 hit. would test on better comps

[ripe latch]

hiryuu with vh

only on washi..

[zenith tundra]

how many times in a row did u manage that?

[ripe latch]

many , but its luck found vang without juneau

seems, on new season juneau on any comp

[zenith tundra]

idk if that even counts as a test without juneau

[alpine summit]

with seattle and chap gun now out, what do you guys pick for your BB secondary?

[zenith tundra]

seattle gun or nep gun

[hot creek]

chap gun was never a real replacement for seattle gun for BB aux purposes.

[alpine summit]

no consideration anymore for bel gun right?

[hot creek]

nep gun and seattle guns are used because of their long range. which the other guns dont have,

[zenith tundra]

belgun if u have no more seattle guns or nep guns

at that point chappy gun would be better then belgun

[hot creek]

next best option are DD guns

dont bother with CL secondaries unless its nepgun or seattle gun

[alpine summit]

man, nepguns and seattle guns are in high need for pve content

but i guess i only need to find 3

[hot creek]

The few 5 star azumas I have to face are starting to become mildly annoying. Maybe its finally time I release my own

[inner zenith]

i missed runs today

😭

what dev lvl is ur azuma @hot creek

[zenith tundra]

dev 0 if i have to guess

[inner zenith]

🤔

did he just get it or something lol

[zenith tundra]

he has bps but never used 1

[hot creek]

dev 0

but somewhere between dev 27-28 if use bps

[inner zenith]

👀

[hot creek]

famine has the most, so pester him about numbers

[vague token]

inb4 dev 30 already

[hot creek]

I think he could right now, if he put all his general DR prints into her

[frail orbit]

Anyway about Scuttlegun

Aint that derp against Azuma VH tho

Unless u ran torpmeme anyway

[zenith tundra]

wdym? seattle gun has best dps on all armors

[vague token]

seattle gun is HE++

best ammo on everything for cl

[frail orbit]

Ahh forgot it keks

But aint Nepgun has faster firing tho?

AP and all

[zenith tundra]

anyone in avrora around rank 800?

curious about score

[glacial shuttle]

WFC vs Namaryuu should kill Amagi or Hiryuu first?

[coral wren]

noshiro aux equip? backline akaga

[zenith tundra]

i haven't played much wfc myself but should be hiryuu 1st

are u using torp memes or just normal vg?

[coral wren]

yuki noshiro ayaya

is that normal?

[zenith tundra]

torp meme

[coral wren]

so 2 rainbow dildo?

[shell heron]

I like rainbow torp, but not double

torp/boiler

[coral wren]

mk

[zenith tundra]

what rank are u cay?

[shell heron]

77 9/10

[zenith tundra]

ok...

[shell heron]

77 10/10 would be too good right now

[zenith tundra]

i wanted to test this for score but i guess it's impossible to know actual score

[ionic magnet]

WFC vs Namaryuu should kill Amagi or Hiryuu first?
@glacial shuttle i tested that before and thing is, you'll end up with roughly the same winrate either way
the biggest difference is you'll have faster matches if you aim hiryuu first so yea

[glacial shuttle]

I am using YKKZ + Aurora + Juneau

and I see

[vague token]

hmm i have to push a bit for cay to roll me

[ripe latch]

nagato with double toolbox

wtf

Feiga

[shell heron]

you want me to waste my refreshes on final day

[vague token]

no, just rng

;)

what is your score again, i just need to be in front of you with at least 4 fights

[frail orbit]

Anyway

Late to the party but

@glacial shuttle i tested that before and thing is, you'll end up with roughly the same winrate either way
the biggest difference is you'll have faster matches if you aim hiryuu first so yea
@ionic magnet me always preferred Hiryuu snipe 1st anyway @glacial shuttle

Unless she's on VH

But not really derping me a lot
Seeing that most Namaryu are like, avgas + rudder

On Hiryuu

On the other hand
VH Amagi cucks me a lot

And I cuck em with VH Amagi, too

[shell heron]

2456. I don't think I can hit 2600 this time either

[glacial shuttle]

shit rolls so far, no Amagi so gotta rely on WFC

[frail orbit]

Just whel for her

Best mommy ever

[ionic magnet]

[upper sparrow]

i hear seattle gun is bad on non-flagship on backline? so should i put nepgun then?

[ionic magnet]

where did you hear that

[humble geyser]

isnt the seattle gun the best ap light cruiser gun? or close to it?

[ionic magnet]

seattle gun is HE++

best mods on all armor types

[humble geyser]

Oh even better lmao

[ionic magnet]

nepgun wins in shell speed only
but when it misses just as much as seattle gun anyways, dont bother

[upper sparrow]

381 is bis for amagi. 406 is good for nagato since gives her more shelling when she isn't proccing

im sure u say 406skc is bis for amagi before pvp-wise, now im confused @zenith tundra

[coral wren]

how does yukibeljun compare to yukinoshijun

[shell heron]

not many CV comps nowadays

noshi does better for me

[elder crane]

tbh either is fine unless you have specific timing requirements

[shell heron]

come on. it's only 6 min in and I see a +1

I feel like these are baits

[hot creek]

if you have list refreshes to spare, take it

unless you know someone who alreadys in your list can give you +2

[shell heron]

6 minutes would have been too early. didn't want to get stuck with too many lower ranks on my list

[hot creek]

yeah but some of those lower ranks are sitting at 10/10 and the longer you wait to get new opponents, the higher the chance you get a dead list of people at 0/10

[shell heron]

wait, actually won't have been that bad. not everyone moves at 5 minutes

[proper sorrel]

i start at around 15 minute mark (im impatient ok)

[ionic magnet]

personally i'd take every bonus i can get on the first 1-2 hrs
but whatever you do its a gamble anyways
take it and hope to get another rusher vs delay for a bit and hope to get an insta +1 or +2 from your next list

on last reset of season ofc

[vague token]

cay just needs to land on me so i give him +2 again

collusion bois

[ionic magnet]

guess ill trihard again next season cos my sleep sched never went back to normal

[vague token]

oof

[ionic magnet]

well not like it matters cos cant do anything else anyways

[vague token]

ive been making sure to keep my sleep schedule

[ionic magnet]

well its my sleep sched now

[zenith tundra]

@upper sparrow dps wise 381 and 406 are so close to each othet that there is no reason to pick 406 tbh

[coral wren]

guess ill trihard again next season cos my sleep sched never went back to normal
@ionic magnet make ur sleep schedule based on exercise time

[ionic magnet]

its only possible rn cos of quarantine but yea thats the plan

[shell heron]

this list feels dead. is it more worth to use a refresh or take a +0

I like the +0 more, high chance of needing refreshes this season

Juneau. Please die

[ionic magnet]

[eager cedar]

[vague token]

[forest lake]

[hot creek]

i'd wait until an hour left and then hit refresh as it will usually give you a free +1 (only on final day). Of course, this is on sandy after most people will have done their matches.

[shell heron]

who is this Lykk person.

fast push and 2601

[brazen pier]

how good is Reno for pvp

[sour oasis]

Weird. If I didn't sleep through 5 tickets, I'd be tied with Blue. But if I wasn't fighting from 5 down, I wouldn't have gotten all those +1 fights

(Cay shouldn't have married a girl that was supposed to die first)

[shell heron]

There's a reason why I have her lead, but guess she didn't want to die that match

[keen sparrow]

only 3 refresh left

end of season alwys -1 x 5

[quick garden]

why is there two different names for the same gun?

[zenith tundra]

typing error

[ionic magnet]

[quick garden]

so do i use the name of the gun or the picture it shows for nagato

?

[ionic magnet]

pic

[quick garden]

k ty

[zenith tundra]

i changed it u can refresh

[quick garden]

[eager cedar]

green is bis

so whatever is under green

[zenith tundra]

i think i forgot to copy name too when i changed old twin 410 to twin 406

[sterile bluff]

bruh on the tierlist

[quick garden]

[sterile bluff]

warspite has the her retro face but normal chibi

and warkai has her normal face but retro chibi

[proper sorrel]

wait do attacks go back to 10/10 at the start of a new season?

[zenith tundra]

5/10

[proper sorrel]

ook

[shell heron]

I see famine, what are the odds he ends at 2608?

[proper sorrel]

0

[ashen lion]

[empty grove]

2607 would have been possible

But I had to burn two refreshes before final push

[proper sorrel]

whats the most bonus points you can get btw?

[zenith tundra]

depends on base score

[empty grove]

Did cay just screw himself

[shell heron]

not this time

[zenith tundra]

at 25 base u can get +16. at 10 the max is +9

[proper sorrel]

mk

[shell heron]

I'll settle for 2nd this time

or 3rd if someone still has one match

[shell heron]

[crude mortar]

[proper sorrel]

bruh

[hot creek]

Well that was a slaughter

[shell heron]

This isn’t happening again

[eager cedar]

[ionic magnet]

2606

what a degen

[empty grove]

[keen sparrow]

my rank n score alwys same

[hot creek]

special thanks to lynz tho for letting me avoid a -1

[keen sparrow]

i eat all +9

[shell heron]

I'm disappointed that I ate one +9

[keen sparrow]

im 4

[empty grove]

I could have risked a refresh at 2/5

Wasn't worth the potential -2 tho

[keen sparrow]

every 5 last match will +9

[hot creek]

indeed. once youve refreshed into a +8 you never make that mistake again

[empty grove]

I always save one for the final match due to that

The amount of times i've pulled into a -2 is disgusting

Still waiting for the refresh into another -2

[keen sparrow]

-2 x 5

[empty grove]

I don't even think you could get that far ahead on a legit season

[shell heron]

you have to give up sandbagging for that

[empty grove]

I actually wonder how many points some of those people with the glitched scores could have saved if they knew how to sandbag

[vague token]

i cant believe i colluded with cay and he didnt win

[frail orbit]

Anyway how much tix u guys have atm

[shell heron]

Famine did Famine things as usual

[vague token]

xD