pvp

[zenith tundra]

for pvp purposes i'm questioning it very hardly

[elder crane]

well, if you want at least some consistency between the behavior of ships in the two modes,

and yep, it's pretty bad for PvP
oh well
just like Warkai barrage is often terrible in PvE, etc.

[zenith tundra]

i'm just very curios if sniping mid has any impact in current meta seems so bad most of the time

[vague token]

she barrages for the other fleet at least on 3rd/4th/5th battle

[sterile bluff]

warkai barrage isn't that terrible in pve tho

[vague token]

can she get mvp if she isnt in that fleet?

xD

[sterile bluff]

also where does tosa hit?

for her main barrage?

mid?

[zenith tundra]

ws barrage in pve almost as useless as it can be

[sterile bluff]

ehhh nah

it's like a 4th mgm

weaker and more unreliable mgm

[zenith tundra]

just as stupid as mgm i guess with targeting stupid stuff on the sides

[sterile bluff]

tru

if u r unlucky and firebotes spawn lmao

but in 13-4 that's not a problem

[elder crane]

Other fleet barrage scales off the flag of that fleet

[vague token]

oh really, fascinating

[sterile bluff]

huh

scales off the fp of the flag of the other fleet?

[zenith tundra]

it might work if u use nagato tosa for boss and another bb for mobs

[sterile bluff]

what about pvp tho

where does her main barrage hit?

[elder crane]

Off the stats, yep
And iirc counts as that ship's damage

Enemy flag

For fixed part

Random for targeted part

[sterile bluff]

hmm

[elder crane]

Doesn't matter her position

[sterile bluff]

oh that's good

[elder crane]

Given flag is pretty much always heavy armor,

0.7 mod on heavy

[zenith tundra]

it's bad against any namagi team imo

[sterile bluff]

are her numbers on spreadsheet yet?

[elder crane]

I don't think there's any toptier fleet without a heavy armor flag

[zenith tundra]

maybe has a chance against namagi fdg where u don't want to to attack fdg anyway

[sterile bluff]

waryuu amagi?

[elder crane]

You run VH on that

[sterile bluff]

oh

i don't have vh

[zenith tundra]

that's why i need 2 amagi

to have her defense with stupid setups

[sterile bluff]

1 for pvp 1 for pve?

[zenith tundra]

without sacrificing my damage on offense

[sterile bluff]

anyways are tosa's numbers up on spreadsheet yet?

[zenith tundra]

i literally just finished ehp

i'll test tosa before going to ever bother adding her

[elder crane]

Why can't you just check lmao

Why ask us to check

[sterile bluff]

i thought u guys always have it open

[zenith tundra]

rip my break i guess. i'll add her

[elder crane]

I think he means the barrage sheet, Zack

With Tosa barrage numbers

[sterile bluff]

ye the excel sheet

[zenith tundra]

ah

[sterile bluff]

i checked she's not on yet

who made it anyways?

[elder crane]

Enbayft

Here's the numbers btw

[sterile bluff]

hmm interesting

there's 2 "arching" parts

i assume that's the main part

of her barrage

[elder crane]

X4 is aimed x6 is fixed

[sterile bluff]

ok

so against heavy those two parts r 1092

[zenith tundra]

the 1.1x is coefficient on torp?

[sterile bluff]

think so

[elder crane]

Yep

[sterile bluff]

georgia's ap deals 1209 against heavy for comparison

[elder crane]

+autocrit

[sterile bluff]

oh right

ye

wondering how reliable the pellets and torps r

i assume the torps r reliable since backline doesn't move in pvp

[zenith tundra]

with vg around i expect like 0 hits

[sterile bluff]

so either way it's hitting smth and contributing dmg

oh yay AL meta posted a new vid

[vague token]

ill try her out with suruga for torp barrages

[zenith tundra]

i think u just wont pay attention to tosa torp just like amagi

[vague token]

someday we'll get oxy equivalent for main

[zenith tundra]

amagi edps with 100 more torp stat. from
912.78 690.46
to
930.56 708.25
1st is with fire 2nd without

what a dps boost

[sterile bluff]

does amagi barrage do good dmg?

nvm ill just calculate myself

but idk how well it hits tho

[vague token]

i was thinking more like +250 torp since they are only attached to skills

xD

fun for tirpitz mag torps too

[zenith tundra]

795.18 edps against a fox with 62.27% hit rating but no nagato

[frail orbit]

Anyway my friend on my local guild has no Monarch

He asked on any alternative for W13 bossing smhw

When I asked him, didya have Double E with Centaur

4/0/4 not found for Centaur sadly

[zenith tundra]

#gameplay-help tbh...

[frail orbit]

DAHM

Didnt notice that keks

[zenith tundra]

i haven't done enough w13 to help

[frail orbit]

Same

Me personally having 3forced Centaur Double E on Taihoe

And Monarch too, no idea how tf to do it w/o both of em smhw

[sterile bluff]

is it just me or is the aimed part of amagi's barrage not working

in d3

[zenith tundra]

what is it doing?

[sterile bluff]

it's not even appearing

the aimed part

and yes the barrage is high lved enough

cuz the aimed part appears on mobs

[zenith tundra]

if she aims mid screen it will be with all the other stuff going forward

[sterile bluff]

nah it deadass doesn't appear

i've seen it multiple times

she's top flank

[zenith tundra]

i'll test as soon as i finish this map

[sterile bluff]

idk if it's just d3

it's the only map i farm

[zenith tundra]

have u used her before?

[sterile bluff]

wdym amagi?

[zenith tundra]

yes on other maps

[sterile bluff]

yes but it was only today that i got her barrage to high enough lv where the aimed part starts appearing

and i didn't try any other map today

[zenith tundra]

well amagi barrage is famous for being bugged. they released it bugged then fixed then bugged it again and then fixed again lol

seems like it works to me

[sterile bluff]

yea that part it works

against kirishima

but when amagi spawns

like the actual boss

i don't think i see it

but rn im tryna test and it's not proccing

[zenith tundra]

she is not aiming at boss u mean?

[sterile bluff]

ok i saw it

it deadass doesn't appear

wtaf

do u think it's cuz of sl?

it's sl5

[zenith tundra]

if u saw it before it might be something related to boss itself

[sterile bluff]

ye maybe

it's normal everywhere else

idk about bosses from other lvs tho

ill try it on another boss

can u test urs on amagi boss herself too?

[zenith tundra]

yes i'm doing it in en

[sterile bluff]

ok i think im actually blind

the "aimed part" that i thought was appearing was her mgm

LMAOOOOOO

[silent ocean]

so dumb question but is tosa decent for pvp?

[sterile bluff]

we don't know yet

gotta wait a while for ppl to sl10 her skills

[silent ocean]

XD

yeah guess thats true

[zenith tundra]

no one tested her but tbh she seems kind of meh

a lot of things about her are a bit off. like barrage hitting flagship and poor heavy mods

[silent ocean]

cause only one skill works for pvp but i guess it depends on how strong that first skill is

[zenith tundra]

her melee barrage can hit something but i don't think will make much difference

@sterile bluff do i need to test anymore because my amagi hates me and never procs after boss spawns

[sterile bluff]

if u r already at boss just test once is enuf

cuz why not get dem pts

[zenith tundra]

i never get a barrage after boss spawns in like 4 attempts

[sterile bluff]

...

then it's fine if u don't want to

but i just wanna confirm

the color of the aimed part is the same color as the normal ammo for the unaimed right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

ok

then im blind for sure

thought her mgm was the aimed part

[zenith tundra]

aren't u using he?

[sterile bluff]

ye

i am using he

[zenith tundra]

he is red normal is yellowish

[sterile bluff]

ye

i just ignored that and thought the red was part of her barrage

XD

[zenith tundra]

last attempts at this 0/7 after boss spawn

[sterile bluff]

sry man

[zenith tundra]

it works just fine

[vague token]

if she had a tank skill she could be like a fake fdg but suruga got that

[sterile bluff]

ok yea the aimed part looks completely different than what i thought

[zenith tundra]

i'm just curious about how much dps namagi tosa can output on heavy

nagato is a really strong dps buff

but idk how it works in practice

for amagi against medium is around 20% edps boost

and a 23% dps boost against nagato without fire. so i'm really curious how will it work in practice

[frail orbit]

I'd rather Tosamagi with Wakai tbh

I meant

Amagi is a strong ones on herself

[zenith tundra]

tosa without nagato is straight 🚮 imo

[frail orbit]

And we can't account a loss of Wakai snipe

Sure but

[zenith tundra]

use suruga for tankiness then and amagi full dps

[frail orbit]

It's not as if Nugget would hit backline reliably

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't monarch be better then? she can hit heavy and medium properly and also targets ws target

[frail orbit]

And why tf being trash anyway?
I meant, Amagi got no FP buff but hey she's fine even when her barrage is sometimes janky

Perhaps?

[zenith tundra]

amagi does something else other then her bad barrage

like a 7% dr and 10% evasion and 15% fire dr

[frail orbit]

If u want another definition of sniper. Then Monarch.

[sterile bluff]

amagi's barrage is bad? o_O

did i spend 200 cubes for nothing?

[frail orbit]

But lacks Wakai's schtick anyway but . . .

[zenith tundra]

it's random

[frail orbit]

Reason u put Mamagi on PVP is

For her protective debuff against enemy

[sterile bluff]

yeyeye ik the debuffs

but barrage doe

i live for barrages

[frail orbit]

At least it hits

[zenith tundra]

amagi barrage is not good overall tbh. half dmg is aimed at whatever; that works when she aims backlines and can hit water easily if aims vg. she also has bad mods vs heavy

[sterile bluff]

well rip me then

[frail orbit]

If u want barrage

Nugget is da wae

[sterile bluff]

i do not have nugget if i am assuming correctly who u r referring to

[frail orbit]

Basically PVP was like

Either u bald for her barrage or ded

[zenith tundra]

nagato is not really a barrager either

[frail orbit]

Sure

[zenith tundra]

40% hurts her too much

[frail orbit]

Her 40% proc shits ass

But hey

[sterile bluff]

how much does big seven actually do?

[frail orbit]

As if we got any other option smhw

[sterile bluff]

ive seen some clips it doesn't seem to do that much dmg

[frail orbit]

I meant

PVPing aint for pure dmg anyway

At least til FDG d30 is here but . . .

Put her an eyeglasses or a rangefinder pls

[zenith tundra]

nagato buffs usually outweighs her bad barrage % by allowing other ships to carry for her when she doesn't

dmg wise u see nagato without barrage around 10-14k with 1 barrage 20k-28k

[frail orbit]

U dont need it anyway on strongest combo FDG Amagi Wakai

Simply bkoz of their sheer dmg

[sterile bluff]

nagato is hood but with buffs and floof

[frail orbit]

Aint ya the one who told us tho about that

[zenith tundra]

it's a better comp for faster clears since ws does so much dmg u don't need nagato buff for amagi and azuma and fdg can tank a lot better then amagi could in namagi ws

1 thing that i think ws amagi fdg does better is against namaryuu since u can snipe hiryuu easily. with namagi fdg is a bit sketchier because u cannot really snipe hiryuu. amagi ws fdg can suffer to horrible rng vs namagi fdg tho due to nagato barrage, like 3 in a row is most likely a reset

i would put both t0 same level but they do work better against different comps

any ws team is not usually a problem for either since fdg can tank for days

[sterile bluff]

what about waryuu amagi?

[zenith tundra]

haven't tried it after 457

[sterile bluff]

i think it could work

[zenith tundra]

i know before it it was a bit sketchy against namagi since u lack offensive buff to deal dmg fast enough but that was pre 457

[sterile bluff]

hmm that is tru

ws have to carry in waryuu amagi

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is less tanky overall then fdg and it's hard to kill vg fast without nagato acc buffs. hiryuu to shine really needs opponent vg dead

[coral wren]

I finally managed to Retro Warspite. Now I have my first decisive ship

Do I need to get her new skill to level 10 ASAP?

[zenith tundra]

it's a pretty good skill. it gives her a nice fp boost

it's not mandatory but helpful

[coral wren]

Currently have her with Formidable and Centuar. Centuar is by far the worst in the group as she is level 70 and only three stars

Why does she go well with Formi and Warspite?

[zenith tundra]

she has a good barrage and can be synchronized with formi so her airstrike hits vg when stopped

also extra damage to bb and a fp/aviation boost for the other 2

[hot creek]

imo better to just forget about the ryuusei syncing and just spam barracudas for max backline damage these days.

[vague token]

random +2

xD

[zenith tundra]

it still helps her hit vg non the less even without ryuusei

[vague token]

too bad i dropped a match last week lul

[hot creek]

meanwhile i can't even remember the last time i got a bonus. tbf though I was so far ahead of my usual rivals. almost a whole charge up. They are slowly catching up now

[vague token]

oof

i got +1 total yesterday

sometimes it be like that

[coral wren]

How is my equipment for my backline?

[zenith tundra]

it leaves a lot to be desired but idk what u have available

[coral wren]

Say I have everything needed, what would your recommend?

[zenith tundra]

ws triple 410 ap or mk6/triple 381. seattle gun or nepgun. staag or hazemeyer. hpfcr, sg or rudder

centaur vf-17, reppu, gold cudas, av fuel beaver or rudder

formidable reppu, gold cuda, albacore, av fuel beaver or rudder

that would be around optimal for them

u would have eventually to try and sync formidable and centaur but before high levels might be a bit tough

[elder crane]

1. gold =\= good

You should look up an equip guide

That Warspite main gun is useless, Centaur fighters are in general are terrible, and autoloaders on a battleship is defs wrong (at the very least, wrong in PvP)

Don't get baited by the shiny

[frail orbit]

2020

And peeps still using Messershit on Centaur?

What a real busta

[vague token]

only the finest MeMe

[frail orbit]

What a lame pun

Looking at how she got 2+2 fighter

Double the MeMe

@coral wren also needs to be on the same level and same enchanced reload stat, else it's busted on ur part

That gun on ur Wakai, it's only for KGV. Otherwise useless af.

So basically

Sync up Formi and Centaur's level up, if u got Centaur around the same level as Formie, bring em together always

For the sake of simplicity tbh 👌

Take notes that reppu is a must if u ran WFC comp

On Centaur

[coral wren]

Reppu?

[frail orbit]

Centaur launched 1st, so should have insurance against incoming enemies AA

/wiki Mitsubishi_A7M

[strange moat]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Mitsubishi_A7M_Reppuu

[frail orbit]

This one

[coral wren]

Ah

[frail orbit]

And not enemy fighter AA
But enemy ships AA

[coral wren]

Here this is what I have for now

[sterile bluff]

bruh

why r u using messershits?

[coral wren]

It was purely for Graf

But then I got a bunch of them

[sterile bluff]

and why tbm avenger on intrepid?

[coral wren]

I don't know how you are supposed to set up ships

[sterile bluff]

lol

who u tryna setup?

[coral wren]

Centuar and Formidable

[sterile bluff]

for pvp?

[coral wren]

Yes

[frail orbit]

U still lacked so much gear anyway

To use FC comp properly

[coral wren]

So give up on FCW comp?

[frail orbit]

What u have anyway other than FC for ur fleet

Any Namagi?

[coral wren]

Formidable Centuar, Warspite, Belfast, Yukikaze, and Baltimore.

[frail orbit]

Anyway doesnt mean gib up tbh

[coral wren]

Baltimore is only temporary

[frail orbit]

U could basically calculate em reload w/ this calculator

[sterile bluff]

for centaur vf-17, hellcat, ryuusei/cuda, avigas + catapult/rudder

formi vf-17/helldiver/reppu, ryuusei/cuda, albacore, avigas + rudder

i think that's the usual wfc setup

[frail orbit]

https://thebombzen.com/azur-lane/airstrike-reload.html

[sterile bluff]

according to tierlist

[frail orbit]

Actually formi db/fighter slot is flexible

[coral wren]

Why would I get rid of Formi's Fairy Albacore?

[frail orbit]

But it wont budge with ur current gear

Albacore actually not good unless Formie

[sterile bluff]

i don't think u r supposed to get rid of albacore XD

for formi

[frail orbit]

Bkoz

That skill

[coral wren]

I can't use her skill if I don't have Albacore

[frail orbit]

Yea ikr

Also to make up for her lumbering ass

[sterile bluff]

but only 1 albacore is enuf

[frail orbit]

^

Alba has only 2 torps

[sterile bluff]

and put it on third slot cuz lowest eff

[frail orbit]

Instead of 3

Thats why its so fast

Its a meme on its own

Similar to Messershit

Formi has a barrage tho with Alba
And that is enuff to actually make Alba do damage

[sterile bluff]

this is hurting me...

talking about formi and centaur

the 2 ships i don't have

[frail orbit]

Wut

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

i keep telling myself that today's the big day, that im gonna see a 3 hr timer

nope!

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

wishing well

pls

[coral wren]

Messerschmidt seems much better than VF-17

And Messerschmidt is lower level

[eager cedar]

i need that sub event to come back

[whole terrace]

Messerschmidt has no bombs, whereas the VF-17 has 2 x 500lb (T0) bombs, so the vf-17 does more damage.

[coral wren]

What auxiliaries do I give Warspite?

[whole terrace]

Wait so does this mean I can have a level 1 tosa with maxed out barrage, then put her in Fleet 2, then run a level 100+ BB in Fleet 1, and the barrage be as if it were being fired by a lvl 100 Tosa?

[vague token]

technically yes?

[eager cedar]

rudder, radar, fcr

shell

[coral wren]

AP or superheavy?

[eager cedar]

ap usually

[golden fable]

How do you get multiple fleets in PvP?

[sour oasis]

Manual 🕹

[vague token]

casablanca, tier 0 pvp support jk

[shell heron]

this is nice, gensui rush and not a single +1

[vague token]

ouch

i just rng'd into 1st with a refresh

had to cause i had someone behind me

xD

2175 5/10, even while behind a match

big meme

[shell heron]

who knows. I may hit someone when pushing

even if it's a +0 reset. I'll still be 2182

[shell heron]

And i did hit 2 +1s when pushing.

Still a weak gensui rush

[sour oasis]

Ugh. I came up 10 points short rushing for AotN. Funny thing, almost every fight got a +1.
Losing 4 tickets is probably a good limit for Avrora. 5 tickets hurts too much.

[vague token]

relog to check list and there's 1st again

xD

what a waste

+2 bois

[shell heron]

I only see r12, lets do another event run and check again

[vague token]

hopefully you catch me

so i can push

xD

[shell heron]

feed me

[vague token]

sure if you get me in your list lol

[shell heron]

Oh hi @vague token

This meme fleet flexes on all of us btw

[karmic forum]

Does he have belfast as sec?

[shell heron]

Tosa secretary. But that would be extra flexing

[karmic forum]

He probably has it anyways

[shell heron]

wont be surprised

[shell heron]

Accidently went to general. They're surprised Juneau is still meta

[sterile bluff]

i wonder what AL hq is like when making a new ship

do they go like "ok bois this next ship we're gonna make is going to be very meta, she's going to needs this this and this with this type of skill and abilities"

or do they go like "ok we're gonna put some random stats and skills and let the community decide if she's good or not and do whatever"

[vague token]

oh wait do you need me to push

[shell heron]

Will you?

[vague token]

yes

i dropped a match so who cares

ill get my merits xD

[shell heron]

Thanks for feeding me

[vague token]

im at 2198

so if i do 8 i think it works out?

for +2?

yeah

[shell heron]

you can afford 2 +9s and it's still +2

[vague token]

aight

we all in

gimme a bit

[shell heron]

As for what HQ prob does when designing a ship. I would think they make it similar to ships in the same class that's already out statswise

Only one ship has a enhanced barrage on PvP but everything else just seems to work

or we make it work

[vague token]

stats almost always are within like 1% of same class ships

outside of rarity

skills are who knows though

lul

[shell heron]

Powercreep isn't that bad. Not every new event has OP ships

[vague token]

minus like PR ships and Alabama who borrow from wows

hmm, i might be in trouble of multiple 9s

oh there's still people with nagato top

wat

[shell heron]

yes, a few still use Amagi flag

[vague token]

ok had to use a refresh on 4/10 matches

[shell heron]

you can't avoid +9s

when max score atm is 2268

[vague token]

i can avoid 1 more

but it failed

xD

rip rng

[shell heron]

I'll take that +1 anyways. Better than no more bonuses

[vague token]

one sec

[shell heron]

Easy r1 for you anyways

[vague token]

yeah

i got so many +1s the day after i dropped so i wasnt actually as behind as i thought lul

[sterile bluff]

As for what HQ prob does when designing a ship. I would think they make it similar to ships in the same class that's already out statswise
@shell heron what about skills tho? Do they just think of random shit? like look at intrepid holy fuck

[vague token]

oof rolled rank 5 when im rank 4

almost rng'd into two 9s

almost rng'd a loss against a ws/formi/owari da fleet

reset and then lost no vanguard on push

such rng

ok go

[shell heron]

Appreciate it

so close, just one more for +2

[vague token]

one too many 9s

it was literally only can afford two

xD

[shell heron]

I'll take any points I can get. Need to close that gap to Famine

[vague token]

who knows you might roll me again

kek

[shell heron]

Who knows, Famine panic rushed last night

almost missed a match

[vague token]

kek

well at least i dont have to worry about matches now

im freee

back to gloucester biscuit clearing

this is easily my favorite pve combo

[shell heron]

1:1 D3 mob?

[vague token]

no

i need a bit of sustain

aka i just add ryuuhou

xD

[shell heron]

idk, it could work if high enough level

1:1 Amagi and 106 Bremerton works

[vague token]

gloucester doesnt have that durability

no tank skills

[shell heron]

Not a fan of Bremerton barrage tho

if it was more focused, she would be a better Sanrui

[vague token]

she has focus, 50% gun amp

cant even miss it

plus she has 2 barrages so xD

man i wish she had burn on her special he barrage

gotta drop her from burn team =/

gotta use belfast or atago =/

[meager dawn]

[shell heron]

Assuming Amagi goes away with FdG

Amagi buff not being faction limited makes her fit in every fleet that can use her

[vague token]

i still think that cross-faction support (and only support) is good

just not also a evasion rate + barrage

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

much less a barrage with anti medium ratios and 200+ base damage on aimed arcing shells

[keen sparrow]

tosa melle barrage is low ver fdg barrage

[crude mortar]

how did some kid getting 50 rainbow gun

on 22

how much luck does he have

[meager dawn]

more like how much money does he have

[crude mortar]

did he whale for it?

[meager dawn]

most likely yes

[crude mortar]

I heard that spamming cube doesn't matter

for getting rainbow gun

@zenith tundra

[meager dawn]

Oh right those don't have pr equip bps

[crude mortar]

50 while other still 20

[meager dawn]

wehl with the 8k ones?

[willow ferry]

Retrofit Snady

Or would it be better with atago instead of Snady?

[crude mortar]

nevar use atago in pvp

[willow ferry]

Ok

[crude mortar]

[willow ferry]

Guess I’ll use a yukikaze instead

[crude mortar]

use over

[willow ferry]

Why

She has higher Torpstat

[crude mortar]

she need to attack

to proc +torp

and

ayanami just die

yukikaze doesn't

[willow ferry]

Or

[crude mortar]

and yukikaze damage reduction backline

and 10% heal

[willow ferry]

Yukikaze+Ayanami+Noshiro

[crude mortar]

maybe

[willow ferry]

Also with Tosa’s second ability

You can’t have a BB in the center for the first part of it to activate

[crude mortar]

ask these 2 @zenith tundra @elder crane they are pvp master

[willow ferry]

Ok

[crude mortar]

[meager dawn]

@willow ferryYou can't even use that barrage in the fleet she's in

[willow ferry]

Ik

That’s the problem lmao

[meager dawn]

2 fleet pvp when

[willow ferry]

I could just put enterprise in the middle

And put Amagi and tosa on top and bottom

[meager dawn]

but why tho

[willow ferry]

Because Tosa barrage isn’t affected by positioning

[meager dawn]

why not have amagi in the middle to snipe the flagship

screw it replace enty with suruga too

[willow ferry]

Nah

How about nagato

[meager dawn]

flagship snipe memes

[willow ferry]

When that event even comes

[meager dawn]

nagato suruga tosa

snipe that flagship

[midnight heron]

how do u guys explain having to reset 50:50 against amagi ws formi

[shell heron]

I use WS on offense so I do WS duels

[hearty pebble]

When does PvP season reset?

[shell heron]

in 2 days

[hearty pebble]

Does it reset weekly?

[shell heron]

there's a timer on the pvp screen

[hearty pebble]

Oh, okay. Thanks

[shell heron]

a season is every 2 week

[hearty pebble]

Gotcha, thanks

[shell heron]

but idk about that comp, there's the weird chance your AI acts stupid taking too much damage on first exchange

letting formi clean up

[keen sparrow]

ws duel is fun

[shell heron]

but it shouldn't be as close as 50/50 if you're using meta

[keen sparrow]

time to stack eva

[midnight heron]

i noticed its very much rng pepega depending on whether ws lands her shell on ur vg during timestop

[zenith tundra]

seems like vg dying too easily

[midnight heron]

yea but how u supposed to not die easily

only my azuma is deadweight

[shell heron]

what dev level is she?

[midnight heron]

juneau + yuki still gets wiped if ws lands all 6 shells

17 lvl 100+

so it doesnt matter

[zenith tundra]

what backline are u using to lose so easily after losing vg?

[midnight heron]

namaspite

its why im curious

[crude mortar]

what your side gun

[zenith tundra]

sounds about right tbh

u cannot tank

[midnight heron]

its all meta guns

then how u supposed to tank

[zenith tundra]

use a tank aka hiryuu or amagi with 2 defensive items

to tank ws

[crude mortar]

use vh plate on amagi!

med armor getting buttfuck by warspite hard

!

[zenith tundra]

do u have a picture of amagi formi ws comps?

[crude mortar]

you can just observe enemy warspite shell colour to assume the weapon

[midnight heron]

and yet namaspite is so high on tier list

and its so easily countered

[crude mortar]

if enemy warspite shoot red its 406 if its blue its 410

[midnight heron]

nah i dont but i can prob find the guy in rankigns

[shell heron]

going back to the situation with your VG getting wiped, do you have other options for Azuma?

[midnight heron]

ofc

but i just wanna use her for lvling

[zenith tundra]

i never put namaspite t0. it was there before i started reworking on it

[midnight heron]

any possible meta vg outside of pr ships i hav

ic

but again i doubt changing the vg will matter

if ws lands her shells during timestop theyre dead regardlss

[keen sparrow]

my warkai using monalisa gun than 406

[shell heron]

I'm just thinking how that warspite is shooting the VG more than the main fleet

[midnight heron]

cuz only her first salvo is guaranteed backline

the other 2 is rng just like any other ship

[shell heron]

I'm wondering what level is your Azuma?

[midnight heron]

and if she decides to target both on vg dats 6k+ dmg alongside formi airstrike

102 cuz its my alt acc

honestly i doubt it matters

even 120 i bet she still gonna get wiped with dat combo

[shell heron]

against 120s?

[zenith tundra]

102 is like dead weight

[shell heron]

that level difference is big

[midnight heron]

ya but like i said

even jun + yuki gets wiped

so it likely wont matter

and they both 120

[zenith tundra]

azuma should be the one to survive that

but when she takes 36% more dmg just from lvl difference she has 0 chances

[midnight heron]

yea but even if she survives so what? its not like she gonna tank till the end of match

[zenith tundra]

she indeed can tank till end of match

u should kill formie very fast tbh

[midnight heron]

yea but dats wat u assume

in all my resets shes the last one standing

[zenith tundra]

are u focusing her?

[midnight heron]

how tf u focus her

shes in mid

btw i found the guy

[zenith tundra]

oh cool

[keen sparrow]

mid nice move

[zenith tundra]

so amagi is ws bait. ws deletes 1 backline and vg

[midnight heron]

ws fights ws so none can kill each other fast enuf

i tried swapping ws and amagi position it doesnt matter

they dont die fast enuf either way

it still seems to be a coinflip on whether their ws shells target vg

[zenith tundra]

again i don't think it's that bad when u don't use a lvl 102 azuma

[midnight heron]

if they dont i pretty much win

[crude mortar]

lv102 taking 36% more damage

thats a very big

big dmg

[midnight heron]

yes but do u guys not see the explanation i made already

they will most likely die even if she 120

[crude mortar]

and lv102

have

alot lower hp than 120

cuz pvp formula

a very lot lower

[midnight heron]

dude ik

im saying the ws shelling combined with timestop will either wipe her regardless

or leave her with low hp

[crude mortar]

why ws aiming vg anyway

how

[midnight heron]

wtf do u guys not read

[crude mortar]

brb reading

[midnight heron]

i already explained everything u guys hav to ask

[zenith tundra]

i think u underestimate azuma ehp maxed

[keen sparrow]

sometime enemy ai become smart n all of them aim u VG

[midnight heron]

i mean im not entirely dismissing her tankiness

but theres also no way for me to powerlvl her dat quickly

[zenith tundra]

18k base hp

[crude mortar]

just lvling her outside pvp!!

[midnight heron]

dude i was already using her in w12 prior to dis event

still slow af

[zenith tundra]

how many speed items are u using?

[midnight heron]

now with the current hm requirements i cant even use her unless i wanna explode my oil reserve

2 i think

[zenith tundra]

2 is too low

need 3 minimum

[midnight heron]

i used 3 at first

but azuma just explodes to torps so i decided to bulge instead

and its not like spd matters if u get 0 effective spd during timestop

[meager dawn]

use noshiro and bulge

[zenith tundra]

why are u theorizing an azuma that's clearly underleveled

[meager dawn]

does anyone know if noshiro and bulge stack

[zenith tundra]

they do stack

[meager dawn]

additively?

[midnight heron]

my point was dat shes inconsequential whether she survives or not

[zenith tundra]

dr is multiplicative

[meager dawn]

[midnight heron]

dat comp is backline focused

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 102 she shouldn't be use in any way in pvp

[midnight heron]

and if rng allows for it ur vg gonna die

i think ure focusing on the wrong issue

[zenith tundra]

i don't think i am

u are using an underleveled vg with no speed and complaining that it gets murdered by ws

[midnight heron]

if its so impt she survives then tell me how is she gonna affect the match if she survived the ws+formi nuke

[zenith tundra]

there is no way for ws to consistently land 2 shelling on vg if u use speed

[midnight heron]

and like i said timestop bruh spd dont matter during dat

[zenith tundra]

time stop is like 0.5s

after that is a slow

[midnight heron]

she hits her 2nd salvo at time 0

and after dat the slow is still very effective

so she still lands her 3rd

provided rng targets both at vg

[zenith tundra]

with azuma and 2 speed items there is no way to move fast enough to counter the slow

u should've tried without azuma and at least 3 speed items

[midnight heron]

maybe i cudve

but i honestly think it wont matter

iirc formi's slow is % based

if u want i can try but since shes deadweight shes gonna die during the 2nd salvo anyway

and the 3rd salvo will effectively only hav jun + yuki's gears

i'll let u know if i find the same guy on list again

[eager cedar]

Dev17 lvl102 azuma

[proper sorrel]

f

[crude mortar]

I still dont get it dispite reading all above

why would enemy warspite ever aim your vg

cuz my warspite never aim their vg

[midnight heron]

you just hav gud rng is all i can say

[crude mortar]

isn't warspite always atking backling?

I see her atk either of their backline

[zenith tundra]

ws skill only forces 1st shoot on tatget everything after that is rng

[crude mortar]

including 2nd 3rd salvo?

cuz in my case she just atk other backline

[midnight heron]

its only 1st

[zenith tundra]

rng

[crude mortar]

then

can normal bb random aim enemy backline while enemy vg alive?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[crude mortar]

cuz in my life i only use warspite but I see sometimes enemy amagi just shot my backline

[zenith tundra]

unlike ws all their shoots are rng

[crude mortar]

can jean bart randomly delete enemy backline at 4.55?

[zenith tundra]

jb doesn't delete backlines tho

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

it's not like he is good against heavy

she can almost delete vg tho

[finite valve]

how usable is 20 fdg and azuma?

also how much it is to get to 25?

[zenith tundra]

/devbp

[strange moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512967149975896084/697348939774689361/devbp.png

[zenith tundra]

azuma is ok to use especially with nagato. fdg nowhere close good tbh

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

tosa numbers don't look good at all. comparing on namagi mirror
hit edps w/o fire eva ehp
56.71% 617.66 427.42 33.85% 47379 tosa
57.15% 685.41 483.61 36.18% 46677 amagi

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

i din't take into account pellets for tosa but even with those she might not be dealing more dps then amagi and also one fires at 9s and the other at 16s

[meager dawn]

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

amagi setup is based on comp tbh. vh rudder is if u need a tank vs ws and the other ship cannot tank. otherwise damage like hpfcr sg or hybrid like rudder sg

it all depends on what she has to do

[frail orbit]

^

And VH in Azuma is derp indeed

Also, HPFCR in EN better be for Wakai only

[meager dawn]

good thing I don't have hpfcr

[zenith tundra]

if u aren't using ws why not using it on amagi

[frail orbit]

Yea

I meant if u ran Namawakai

On Namaryu should always stick HPFCR on Amagi

[elder crane]

VH on Azuma is legit when people stop running torp comps
.....which is never
aka if everyone ran meta, it would be the best aux option

Think about a team like Namagi FdG Azuma Jun Ykkz

[zenith tundra]

cv still heavy murder azuma tho and don't say hiryuu isn't meta

[elder crane]

Hiryuu isn't murdering Azuma, lol

not by herself

if 2 CV was a thing, then it'd be a concern, but

It's mainly anti-Nagato anti-Azuma

Nagato barrage, like Amagi, is 1.2 on med and 0.7 on heavy

Azuma gun is 1.0 on med and 0.75 on heavy

[zenith tundra]

she has no base evasion tho

worse vg evasion in the game

[elder crane]

she has higher base evasion than Amagi, and people run VH > Rudder on her

[zenith tundra]

because amagi has to tank ws and has a 2nd aux evasion in that case

and even if vh vs amagi mirror is still a bigger dps difference in between 1.2 to 0.7 and 1 to 0.75

[elder crane]

calcs work out
it's significantly better vs Namagi barrages
somewhat better vs other gunfire (100 vs 75 on Azuma gun, 80 vs 60 on CL AP, 110 vs 75 on CL HE)
a wash vs BB gunfire
significantly worse vs CVs and torps

[zenith tundra]

i want to see actual math not numbers

[elder crane]

VH on BB/C works out to be pretty much the same vs BB shelling as rudder

[zenith tundra]

like ehp vs azuma mirror

including everything

if u want to convince me

[elder crane]

you have numbers on BB/C main fleet already in your damn sheet

go check those

Azuma will only be better off since higher base eva

[zenith tundra]

yeah i also have to add all azuma numbers

[crude mortar]

where is your sheet

[zenith tundra]

i'm working on it rn....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bIMMUpiKm3SSPhMU9pMh9tyN8FyKWK9JvqPREdFBbSI/edit#gid=0

[crude mortar]

why dont you split vg and main

[elder crane]

Here's your Amagi vs Amagi numbers
let's compare VH+HPFCR vs Rudder+HPFCR
About 84.2% eHP ratio for VH+HPFCR before we add in ammo mods
now, battleship HE ammo is 110% vs 90%, which is a 81.8% scaling
battleship AP ammo is 130 vs 110, which is a 84.6% scaling
AP* (litt gun) is 85.2%
AP+ (457) is 86.2% scaling
this means that VH+Rudder is a bit better vs HE, ever so slightly worse vs AP/AP*, and slightly worse vs 457 (on enemy Amagi)
Since Evasion has diminishing returns, this only favors VH more with higher base evasion/evasion equips
Compare Amagi barrage scaling, which is 58.3% damage taken (!)

3.0% more eHP for BB HE
-0.5% for BB AP
-1.2% for BB AP*
-2.3% for BB AP+
+44.4% (!) for Amagi barrage
This is why people run VH on medium armor main fleet ships

[zenith tundra]

azuma get's like no dr no damage dealt negative and no damage bonus?

pvp buffs

[elder crane]

Probably

devs didn't even update them for BBV, lol

[meager dawn]

azuma doesn't have any buffs/debuffs in pvp?

[elder crane]

(also +7.2% eHP vs plane suicide for VH on Amagi)

[zenith tundra]

u can consider ehp vs nagato barrage but i would care more for ehp vs azuma then amagi

[elder crane]

You want Azuma vs Azuma?

with Nagato buff or without?

[abstract cypress]

[elder crane]

Under Nagato buff,
Gyro/Rudder Azuma (top), Gyro/VH Azuma (bottom), vs enemy Gyro Azuma, considering Azuma gun armor modifiers

[zenith tundra]

is azuma barrage not in the chart?

[abstract cypress]

ppl using gyros

[meager dawn]

is that ehp

44k ehp?

[elder crane]

Same setup except vs 1SG Nagato, considering Nagato barrage chevron modifiers

[abstract cypress]

i thought ppl use rudder

[meager dawn]

gyro only used on azuma afaik

[elder crane]

Current standard is either Gyro+Rudder/Badge or Gyro+VH

[abstract cypress]

i dont think she need to get hit

[meager dawn]

she does tho

[elder crane]

Gyro+VH is if there's limited CV/torpedos around

you get massive eHP boosts vs Nagato/Amagi barrage and enemy vanguard/secondary gunfire, significant eHP boost vs Azuma, slight eHP boost vs BB gunfire, in exchange for significant eHP loss vs CV munitions and torpedos

when you run VH instead of Rudder

The torpedos part is the real kicker for now, since there's a fair number of torp-vg floating around, which will occasionally take massive chunks out of VH Azuma, possibly even instantly deleting her, especially if you lead with Azuma

[karmic forum]

That might change eventually when the serious PvP players get their Azumas online

[elder crane]

Hence my statement earlier that

VH on Azuma is legit when people stop running torp comps
.....which is never
aka if everyone ran meta, it would be the best aux option

[karmic forum]

But there probably will always be a large number of torp vanguards because most people can't be bothered to raise azuma

Maybe at end of season in a few months

[elder crane]

Same with my whining on FC Hiryuu

[karmic forum]

There will be enough people running Azuma to warrant switching over

[elder crane]

T0.5 because people don't just run straight meta

if people ran straight meta, would be ez super high winrate

[abstract cypress]

its more than 50%

which boring

i was have a high hope cyka ship would be pvp tier

but no

[elder crane]

but so many people memeing with
Sandyret (hello? CVs in PvP? what? when?)
Eldridge (this isn't 2018 dammit)
Warkai+Hiryuu/Enty (poor guy missed Amagi/Nagato I suppose)

and FC Hiryuu can suck vs those if they're set up properly

[abstract cypress]

at least they can flex UR everyone have

fuck hiryu kai tbh

[zenith tundra]

well i done the math and it is better armor over rudder against any type of guns.

on mg only azuma vs azuma is a 15% dr

[elder crane]

Well
*not better vs DD HE

but yeah, basically that

I tried it out, and it is really nice.... until you face torp-fleets, which will randomly delete her
well, CVs also blast her, but lol CV teams on defense

[mint hornet]

Does affinity go up in pvp? Or only in dorms/sorties

[zenith tundra]

i don't think pvp counts towards affection at all as it doesn't affect morale too

[mint hornet]

Is the xp received also independent of their morale (the 20% boost)?

[zenith tundra]

i actually have no clue about that tbh

let me check if wiki page has anything

The MVP receives x2 experience, the flagship receives x1.5 experience, and if the flagship is the MVP, she receives x3 experience. Morale and/or event experience modifiers do NOT apply in Exercises.

[mint hornet]

👍

[ripe latch]

maybe try on azuma vh + torp bulge?

vs torp/cv fleets

[elder crane]

Torp bulge doesn't affect TB torps

also that means low vanguard speed

[crude mortar]

this game need something +evasion and speed thats not beaver

[zenith tundra]

is speed ever used outside of pvp tho?

[vague token]

the game is too much saturation and less dodging so no

if manual mode was rewarded more with enemies shooting focused projectiles directly at you

speed would be good in pve

[zenith tundra]

i want a fe with speed more

[vague token]

gold FE

xD

500 hp bois

what kind of object would an FE + speed be

or would it be like an event item

so it can be anything

[hot creek]

gold fe = yukikaze buff

[zenith tundra]

i'm not even using fe on yuki

[shell heron]

What are you using then?

[zenith tundra]

double boiler

testing

[ripe latch]

deja vu yuki

[zenith tundra]

things seems to be more like azuma stays alive more then yuki with this setup

[proper sorrel]

boil the ocean

[zenith tundra]

fire is brutal on yukikaze but dodging more stuff early keeps azuma alive more

[vague token]

i was using double boiler on ykkz for a bit

but havent done that in a while cause noshiro xD

[frail orbit]

Double boiler nanoda screw me over

A lot

[shell heron]

I have to check if my Noshiro is using boiler now. pretty sure she is

wait, torp buldge

[frail orbit]

Especially w/ Noshi

[shell heron]

I should fix that

[frail orbit]

[shell heron]

that explains why it felt a little slower

[vague token]

i havent used bulge on noshiro like ever xD

only juneau lead

[ripe latch]

double boiler noshiro , yuki

[shell heron]

I forgot why she had bulge on in the first place

must have forgot to change

[zenith tundra]

1 more reason to never change in the 1st place

[elder crane]

Speed aux is sometimes used with manual torpmemes

That's about it

Especially useful if it's the difference between being able to facetorp close-in/torp close enough for mags/not close enough for torp nuking

Also occasionally badge> rudder when fleet speed is somehow glacially slow

[ripe latch]

ppl using formi to slow torp meme fleet on center

200iq

[crude mortar]

why

[vague token]

glacially slow sounds like too many CAs in the fleet

xD

[zenith tundra]

avrora?

[elder crane]

CA/Eld/etc.

[crude mortar]

eld

[shell heron]

Eld is as slow as the average CA

the only ships slower is Spee and Deutschland

[midnight heron]

when rushers forced to sandbag

[coral wren]

is amagi spite fdg really working

cuz i dont have nagato and that might be the next best thing i can do

give advice

[zenith tundra]

without dev 30 fdg forget it imo

[coral wren]

oh...

i thought of it cuz look this guy's fdg isnt even d20

[zenith tundra]

at least dev 25 but i don't think ws without 457 can carry solo so badly

[coral wren]

hm

then now that i have amagi cuz rerun

what should i go for

[zenith tundra]

depends on what u have

[coral wren]

i have most pvp ships and i dont mind leveling them, no washington for wasda and nagato for namagi so...

[shell heron]

but you do have WS kai

[coral wren]

yes

no 457 cuz who does

[zenith tundra]

someone does

[shell heron]

Someone I recognize on pvp does

[coral wren]

back to umm advice, any fleets recommended?

[elder crane]

see pins

[shell heron]

WS/formi/cent looks to be good. One of the fleets that actually give me trouble

[elder crane]

you can also post what you have in an album

[coral wren]

formi, centaur

[elder crane]

and maybe we're bored enough to theorycraft some decent nonmeta stuff

[shell heron]

and yes, pins have a pvp comps you can look at

[coral wren]

pins as in the video or the google doc

[zenith tundra]

tier list

[elder crane]

video is just playing PvP, no fleet setups there
though I think that YT channel ahs some

Wait wait
double shell on Nagato

...yeah, just use the doc

[zenith tundra]

ngl fdg edps with 2 shells make me curious to try her out

even though it's goes down to under edps compared sg hpfcr with amagi around

[elder crane]

And it's just naturally lower eDpS vs vanguard

[vague token]

double shell? i too like missing

xD

[sterile bluff]

am i the only one in this channel who doesn't have centaur -_-

[vague token]

imagine if biscuit gave a hit buff instead of a dumb crit buff on only main weapons

[zenith tundra]

don't underestimate critical cycle. like actually does some damage comparable to ws 1st barrage

around 5k crits

[frail orbit]

Anyway
Anyone already hv 457 on EN there?

[sterile bluff]

yea

[zenith tundra]

i reset a mirror namagi fdg and was pissed. now i find out my amagi had pve gear equipped... stupid w11 hm

[sterile bluff]

wouldn't be surprised tbh i got 4 prints in the last week

[vague token]

pvp gear sets when

[granite flame]

never

because they will never give us a pvp update

[zenith tundra]

i 'm leveling up 2nd amagi so it's fine

[sterile bluff]

real time manual pvp when?

why r u raising another amagi?

[frail orbit]

Naaa I meant on this #pvp channel

[zenith tundra]

different setups for defense and offense

[frail orbit]

On EN

[granite flame]

hmm

[frail orbit]

Anyone hv 457 yet?

[zenith tundra]

i have 1 and half

[sterile bluff]

zack does on jp

[frail orbit]

God foken RNG just gib me 23 atm

[granite flame]

can i have your half

[sterile bluff]

i have like 40% of it

[granite flame]

still only at 18

[frail orbit]

999999

[granite flame]

[sterile bluff]

my rng is legit weird af

[zenith tundra]

i would give them away for pr3

[granite flame]

inb4 pr3 has yashima gun

[frail orbit]

Bruh

Not even Yamato gun here

And we know that

[granite flame]

they gave us FDG before bismarck was even released/buildable

[frail orbit]

It'd be implemented

[granite flame]

imagine

[zenith tundra]

i'm even kind of mad they drop since it's really hard to finish a 2nd gun

[granite flame]

yashima before yamato

actually i lied

im not even at 18 457 bps