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Apr 23, 2020, 4:05 PM

[zenith tundra]

3-1 3-2 3-3

[small cypress]

Ty bro

[crude mortar]

[small cypress]

I thought enty was nice in pvp

[crude mortar]

shes fine

[zenith tundra]

enty is different from hiryuu. she relies on dmg to kill stuff but vg is not easy to kill fast enough for her to kill opponent backlines. hiryuu can stall herself with final counter till opponent vg is death and then kill backlines

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu can also tank ws if the other 2 backlines can carry while enty need to avoid it since she would die too easily

[crude mortar]

every cv in the game die to warspite

except these 2 maybe

[zenith tundra]

using enty is risky since if opponent ws has hpfcr she'll die really fast

[buoyant parrot]

so how's Tosa She gewd at PvP or for filthy casuals?

[crude mortar]

need experiment

[zenith tundra]

wait for tests

[buoyant parrot]

welp I suppose I'm going to test also

[small cypress]

@zenith tundra what xiaomi do you have? xd

[zenith tundra]

she has bad heavy mods against heavy tho so that might be her biggest hindrance with random aim barrage like amagi

note 8 pro

[small cypress]

;O

Amazing

it's as good?

[zenith tundra]

i'll oath tosa just for off flag barrage. can finally build an ijn bb team for pve

[prime panther]

Someone try to find a way to make smol renown do negative damage

[zenith tundra]

al runs very smoothly on it

[small cypress]

60fps?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[small cypress]

;O

Mine runs in 50 :c

[crude mortar]

30min actually a scam

asdax

or not

[zenith tundra]

6bps...

[empty grove]

That one is a scam

[crude mortar]

6 is bad or good?

[balmy furnace]

bootleg research

[empty grove]

That was the 8k coin one right

& like 3 cubes

[crude mortar]

yes

[zenith tundra]

bps x hour talking is not bad maybe a bit expensive

[empty grove]

Rates wise it's fine

Value wise it's garbage

So only good for whales

[zenith tundra]

i would value more 2 cubes then 3k gold but i might just be old school

[buoyant parrot]

WAAAAAAAAAAAA! Retrofited Amagi?!

[zenith tundra]

[buoyant parrot]

welp here comes more Cancerous exercise

I'm delighted to wall more semi-hardcore casuals

[crude mortar]

really?

[ionic magnet]

what retro

[crude mortar]

where

where sauce

[buoyant parrot]

oh wait sprry

[crude mortar]

amagi retro

[buoyant parrot]

I misred

its for sandy

LOL!

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

that noticed made me skip shits coz of more explaining about amagi lol

then jump straight over to the retrofitted word 😂

[small cypress]

hahahha

[zenith tundra]

if all al ships were ur rarity amagi might still not need a retro

[shell heron]

ah yes, 2 bp closer to dev25

[zenith tundra]

if u are lucky enough to avoid the 1 bp drop

[buoyant parrot]

I'm so done with Tech Researches. come what may. 1 BP is just too much of a drag. I Accepted the fact that I will have to delay PR3 for me coz I haven't even finish PR2 yet. let alone complete the UR Gun for 90BP

[zenith tundra]

i don't think en will get less then 1 year for pr3

[karmic forum]

I wonder if I can get two 457s before PR3 comes out

[empty grove]

Maybe they'll carry the 457 over to PR3

[karmic forum]

That would be best

[empty grove]

They would if they were smart, but they aren't so who knows

[sterile bluff]

i got 2 yesterday

[zenith tundra]

i'd take staag over 457 in pr3

[empty grove]

Why choose

Add both

[zenith tundra]

they they won't add anything new

[sterile bluff]

life would be easier if we could choose to focus on specific gears/ships

[empty grove]

Easy for them

Less effort

[buoyant parrot]

good thing I wont have to go back for PR1 just for STAAG

done with 6 lol

[sterile bluff]

i only have 1... bruh

so uhh... amagi aux?

sg white?

[karmic forum]

On PvP?

[sterile bluff]

ye

[shell heron]

I'm using SG/rudder

[karmic forum]

Rudder + SG or Beaver

Or HPFCR

[sterile bluff]

damn it don't have enuf rudders

nor hpfcr

[shell heron]

double SG is an option

[karmic forum]

I highly recommend putting a rudder on her if possible

[empty grove]

I use SG/HPFCR

[zenith tundra]

tbh i just hope they remove rudder and 410 and twin 381 from pr3 tbh

[karmic forum]

I could still use more rudders

[sterile bluff]

same, except keep hoodgun

and ye rudders...

[frail orbit]

VH + Rudder user here

[empty grove]

Think i'm on like 12 rudders now

[zenith tundra]

sg hpfcr is a good carry option since hiryuu tanks

[empty grove]

We had BP drop from that maid event too

[shell heron]

12, I'm on 8

[frail orbit]

Used HPFCR on Wakai

[sterile bluff]

so double sg is better than sg white for amagi?

[crude mortar]

3 here

[frail orbit]

U want extra evasion

[karmic forum]

I ended up cutting HPFCR from my namaryuu backline

[sterile bluff]

until i get another rudder

[frail orbit]

Mine got 18 rudder anyway

But only 9 at +10

[shell heron]

I had HSFCR on Amagi before, but WS needed it more

[sterile bluff]

can someone help this poor man

[shell heron]

pre 7s barrage was fun

[empty grove]

I still use hiryuu so that isn't an issue

[karmic forum]

If I used WS it would definitely go on her

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

my def is hiryuu, offense is WS

[zenith tundra]

with ws i would prefer sg rudder with hiryuu sg hpfcr

[karmic forum]

I would use WS on offense if I was using a serious fleet

But I'm levelling vanguard instead

[frail orbit]

Yeah

Still preferred WFC for off meta anyway

Feels nice when basically

[zenith tundra]

new off meta namagi tosa

[frail orbit]

Either 831+TBM or Firefly+Cuda hit

[empty grove]

Did they fix that AP torp plane yet

[zenith tundra]

was it bugged?

[empty grove]

I remember hearing it was broken

[frail orbit]

AP torp plane who?

[zenith tundra]

it ap db

[frail orbit]

Bruh

[empty grove]

Wait

Was it a DB

[frail orbit]

831 DB

Bruh

[zenith tundra]

the one from core data with armor break

[frail orbit]

Also for crash dmg anyway

[empty grove]

I might be getting confused tbh

I was talking about this

[zenith tundra]

that's not ap

[frail orbit]

That one is flood

Not AP

[empty grove]

Yeah so I confused it

[zenith tundra]

it was fixed day 1

[frail orbit]

^

[empty grove]

Guess i'll test it after the event

[zenith tundra]

according to blue not worth using anyway because it doesn't hit backlines early and afterwards it takes too much for flood to do dmg

[frail orbit]

Ye

[empty grove]

Also EN deviating from the schedule again

[frail orbit]

Same as my experience

[empty grove]

Is this the 4th write up they've had now

[zenith tundra]

lol

[frail orbit]

Unless u stacked em w/ Formi flood on FC comp anyway

[zenith tundra]

i saw that post but didn't read it yet.. is it good reading

[empty grove]

Summed up

It says

Amagi skin delayed
Deviating from JP/CN for Reruns
Mini event next for a "break"
& a large event after

[zenith tundra]

i'll read it just for amagi skin part

[shell heron]

some actual good news

[empty grove]

Funny thing is

If they kept on their original plan of giving us reruns for the first run, we'd be basically caught up

[zenith tundra]

en has quite some events ahead that jp/cn had rerun already so it would be hard for them to keep schedules synchronized

[empty grove]

Yep

EN is all over the place

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

but in the meantime jp/cn will get other content

[empty grove]

The only thing we'd still need outside of mini events is the air raid

[zenith tundra]

so u catch up but also fall behind?

[sterile bluff]

i just want essex event and sword

maybe nagato too...

and noshiro

[zenith tundra]

isss and iris need reruns that jp/cn already had. wc will suffer same end as fw imo

[empty grove]

We'd need neither if they gave us rerun on OG run

[sterile bluff]

when do u think we're gonna get sword?

[empty grove]

Only downside there is less 138

[zenith tundra]

it might have been better rerun straight dunno why they didn't do it

[empty grove]

At this point

Idek wtf is happening

They've legit swapped intent like 4 times

[sterile bluff]

i think they r trying to sync events and stuff

[empty grove]

Nah

If they were, we would have had reruns on initial

They decided to go gung-ho about that later on

When we fell too far

Hence why we had like 4 events back to back

I still remember bisko, kizuna & the lolis

[sterile bluff]

as long as i get the events i want im happy, and by the looks of it, it's probably gonna happen

[zenith tundra]

i think they lose money without og + reruns in a way so they don't intend to just run rerun events reruns from start

[sterile bluff]

[empty grove]

They also lose money when all their whales stop playing

[sterile bluff]

even i whaled a bit on this event... not proud to admit

[zenith tundra]

well now do u get more money from 1 person or from a lot of casuals

[empty grove]

Depends

If it's effecting a handful of whales, the casuals

If it's projected to hit most of them, then the whales

[shell heron]

it really was 1 Azuma bp

[zenith tundra]

F

[sterile bluff]

that was the rainbow one right?

[frail orbit]

[sterile bluff]

feelsbadman

[empty grove]

Did you get an FDG BP

[shell heron]

nope just one DR print

[empty grove]

Big rip

[sterile bluff]

if it makes u feel any better i haven't got the face project i want for 2 straight days

and the fact that it took like 200 cubes for amagi

[empty grove]

I haven't gotten a DR BP from a cube research in 10+

[zenith tundra]

200 is about what u expect on average for an event

[sterile bluff]

nvm then

lol

[empty grove]

This event was my worst event since Nep

[sterile bluff]

this event was my worst period

[empty grove]

Had Tosa & the skunk in 40 cubes

[vague token]

40 builds only naganami xD

[empty grove]

Took 320 more for the 2nd elite

Great game

[crude mortar]

wtf is the skunk

lmao

[empty grove]

Naganami or w/e her name is

[crude mortar]

isn't amagi a skunk too

[empty grove]

No

She's a fox

[sterile bluff]

wtf...

[zenith tundra]

it took me 200 for tosa and hanazuki and both dropped in the same 10

[karmic forum]

Naganami is a tanuki

But she might as well be a skunk

[empty grove]

I refuse to accept it

Show me a Tanuki with that colouration

[zenith tundra]

in en 140 cubes no tosa yet

[empty grove]

She looks like a hybrid

[vague token]

i ran out of gold

xD

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

Maybe a skunk bred with a tanuki

[crude mortar]

half skunk half tanuki

nice

[zenith tundra]

same out of gold but also 90 cubes left

[empty grove]

Idk

Wtf do a skunks ears look like

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

hmm did u guys read game news?

[empty grove]

Also the fact for the positioning they used & nopan

It screams skunk

[sterile bluff]

apparently we r getting a different major event rerun after a mini event

what do u think it is?

[crude mortar]

i begin to believe

[sterile bluff]

could be isss

[crude mortar]

its a skunk

it skunk

[zenith tundra]

i would guess either essex air raid or isss

[sterile bluff]

probably

[empty grove]

Or by the wording of "Save oil" the french event

[sterile bluff]

what about sword doe

sry im greedy af

i want all the events UwU

i need that divine marksman+

[zenith tundra]

idk iirc they said same thing 1 year ago and it wasn't that

[sterile bluff]

do u think we'll be getting mic and sword during anniversary?

[zenith tundra]

don't remember if it was before isss or vdir

[empty grove]

We're getting mic soon

They said that in the write up

[sterile bluff]

i only want sword doe

mic is useless

[empty grove]

Idk

Sandy does work

[sterile bluff]

sandy is annoying

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

lol

[crude mortar]

mic so good w 12 13

[zenith tundra]

u can clear w13 with her

[sterile bluff]

ik but like...

"belli dura despicio" tho...

[empty grove]

You can always use isuzu as an AA platform

Even more so now

[zenith tundra]

it's normal time wise that sandy is before ws

she was 1st

[sterile bluff]

i just hope we get sword soon honestly

it's a tiny mini event they can add it anytime

[crude mortar]

time line en isn't the same with other server

[sterile bluff]

ehhh well that depends

[crude mortar]

cn server 3rd mic rerun already?

*2nd

[zenith tundra]

i think it was 3rd run

[crude mortar]

first and 2 rerun isn't it

3 times total?

[zenith tundra]

for jp/cn sandy is almost 2 year old thing

yes

[sterile bluff]

event locking a retrofit is just...

[zenith tundra]

it's ur after all

[sterile bluff]

but it makes poor noobs like me suffer

[crude mortar]

if you think as the game game developer

[empty grove]

Come to think of it

[crude mortar]

its ok like this

the game reward people who stay for so long more than new player

[empty grove]

Didn't one server open after FW

[crude mortar]

its correct isn't it

[empty grove]

Or like midway through it

[sterile bluff]

i think spitesword should be added into a ws quest or smth, where the player needs to spend effort getting it but it's not time gated

[empty grove]

I can remember people memeing washington on washington

[zenith tundra]

consider it from their point of view. they can attract more people by having an ur event rerun then everyone being able to do it anytime

[sterile bluff]

why can they attract more ppl?

[empty grove]

Cause it's limited

It adds a sense of urgency

[crude mortar]

when its something hard to get

[zenith tundra]

it's an ur and best AA ship in the game too

[empty grove]

Being forced to play means they might retain a player

[crude mortar]

people will appreciated more

[empty grove]

Idk

[sterile bluff]

[empty grove]

Hard on AL doesn't really exist

It's all just RNG

Even getting good times in CM/EX is just RNG

Crit/Barrage

[zenith tundra]

it's another way of keeping people playing

so they can keep retrying

[empty grove]

I mean yeah, if you wanna repeat CM for a day go for it

[zenith tundra]

i did play last cm like 3 times

[empty grove]

I did one run

First time I had useable subs

[zenith tundra]

i used nakaga azuma ibuki noshiro

[empty grove]

I just went torp memes

Nakaga Ibuki/Tanikaze/Noshi

[sterile bluff]

you can't spell twerpmeme without

[zenith tundra]

against light armor i preferred azuma over more torp

[empty grove]

Tbh

[zenith tundra]

also remember i unequipped aa guns because useless

[empty grove]

I wasn't even paying attention to ship type

I only do CM once for the border

[sterile bluff]

wait a second...

wtf

are the mods for amagi barrage wrong?

[zenith tundra]

?

[sterile bluff]

the AP is 90 70 40

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

wtf???

i mean on the spreadsheet

[zenith tundra]

ain't that dd ap

[sterile bluff]

idk it just says AP

why is it so shit against heavy???

[zenith tundra]

yes it's dd ap

[sterile bluff]

bruh....

u sure it's not wrong?

[zenith tundra]

that's why is shit

[sterile bluff]

ill check wiki hold on

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Destroyer_Guns

[crude mortar]

why would you use ayanami over yukikaze in pvp anyway

[zenith tundra]

torp memes to the max

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

no other reason tbh

[sterile bluff]

hold on

i think the modifier for her ap is right

but the tot base dmg is wrong on the sheet

it should be 400 not 545.6

25 * 16 * 100%

[zenith tundra]

should be 400 u can check wiki page to see if it is 400

[sterile bluff]

ye it should be 400

[zenith tundra]

it is 400 since 400x0.9 is 360 like wiki page

[sterile bluff]

but on spreadsheet it's 545.6

also some of her other numbers r also wrong

[zenith tundra]

it's a mistake

[sterile bluff]

ye ik

[zenith tundra]

can happen

[sterile bluff]

that's what im saying lol

it's a mistake

someone should fix it

do u have access?

to edit?

[zenith tundra]

it's not mine

u can just change on ur end

[sterile bluff]

should i make a copy of the correct version then redistribute it?

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

dunno where is from. if u want u can search for the author and tell him there is a mistake

[sterile bluff]

i still have the link

epic copypaste moment

[zenith tundra]

this event map requirements are 🚮

[sterile bluff]

why tf is little renown at the top of my dock???

[zenith tundra]

npc

[sterile bluff]

npc?

thought those r only in rpgs

[zenith tundra]

it's a temporary ship that u need to farm points for it to become yours

[sterile bluff]

huh... ok

[zenith tundra]

i'm using her for stupid bc slots in hm

[eager cedar]

did you not play the vt event

[zenith tundra]

4th amagi 0 tosa is this 11 intrepid 0 reno all over again?

[sterile bluff]

wish we could trade... got 3 over here

besides she's probably not even good

i've lost all faith in AL's new BBs after rossiya

[zenith tundra]

as bad as she is i'll oath her in jp

[sterile bluff]

i just want some meta BBs smfh

that's all i want

so i can cram them into my 13-4 fleet

so i can prove that BBs r superior once and for all

[zenith tundra]

for a 3 bb fleet she is 3rd choice for namagi anyway

[sterile bluff]

tosa?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

ehh but i don't think im doing namagi

[zenith tundra]

if u don't want to level her is fine

but she actually looks good for pve

[sterile bluff]

tosa?

if she's not t0 im not gonna lv her

[zenith tundra]

u'll run out of ships soon if u only level t0

[sterile bluff]

well... first of all i need to get all the t0s

including dev30ing them

which is gonna take some time

[zenith tundra]

what if u have no t0 ship in dock? u stop playing?

[sterile bluff]

the opposite actually

i need to play more so i can get the t0s

[zenith tundra]

let me rephrase that. what if all t0 ships u have are 120, what will u use?

[sterile bluff]

t0s

and get even more t0s!

hoard t0s like i hoard cubes!

[shell heron]

I'll do my last 2 matches now, not likely to get another +1

[eager cedar]

looking like this is gonna take me 200 cubes to get tosa

tfw i only needed 3 ships from this event

[shell heron]

and that's the bad part. when half the banner you don't need

[zenith tundra]

should just wait for rerun to lb ships

[shell heron]

imagine still having a 0LB Amagi

I knew it. Famine is ahead of me by 8

but being r7 already is going to be fun

[zenith tundra]

i think i'm around 4-5 behind top scores in jp

[vague token]

no bonus after i slept

big oof

[zenith tundra]

i manage a +1 every reset somehow

[hot creek]

there was one time I accidently went over one match and sat at 4/10 before reset and I somehow managed to get two +1

it was the weirdest thing ever, the first +1 was normal sandbagging but when I pushed, matchmaking gave me another +1 for free

and keep in mind im already reaching like top 20 everytime I go down to 5/10

so its hard get bonuses in general

[zenith tundra]

why is d3 normal enemies instead of sirens

what a disappointment

[shell heron]

you forgot about the CE story. I don't remember there being sirens

wait is there?

[zenith tundra]

d1 and d2 have sirens

makes it easier to use my lvl 58 tosa then vs sirens

0 backline damage. i like it

[crude mortar]

58 already?

[sterile bluff]

how tf...

58 o_O

and how tf r u so fast im still on d1

[zenith tundra]

jp maint ended like 5hrs before en...

in en i just finished c3 so kind of the same

[sterile bluff]

oh

i sure hope d3 is med/heavy armor...

[zenith tundra]

boss is amagi

[sterile bluff]

phew ok

perfect

[zenith tundra]

she hurts

[sterile bluff]

shit...

at least it's the perfect opportunity to lv up my

med armor 🤤

[zenith tundra]

maybe my level 101 scharnhorst is not really tanky but her 6k hp was almost 0 at the end

[sterile bluff]

so she focuses a lot on backline

[zenith tundra]

enemies before her too but yes a lot of backline dmg

[sterile bluff]

oh then that's fine

my weakness is vg

it's always vg

pve or pvp

just wish yuki could tank for once

[zenith tundra]

amagi helps vg a lot

[sterile bluff]

ill bring her then

epic lv 26 lb2 amagi

[zenith tundra]

max her skill 1st

[sterile bluff]

which one?

they all seem op

[zenith tundra]

evasion and fire dr is least desirable for pve

[vague token]

i used fe on flag in ch 9-11 back in ye olden days

[zenith tundra]

well with or without fe 11-4hm burned my backlines to dead. there's where u hope the non flagship never get hit since it's like a good 40% hp loss

[vague token]

xD

[karmic forum]

How does W11 HM compare to W13?

[sterile bluff]

noooooooo d2 requires avi

ill have to use carriers

damn it!

[karmic forum]

Avi req with BB/BC restrictions

[sterile bluff]

^^^

IQ 10000

[shell heron]

It's great, just enough to force 2 CV/CVL

[crude mortar]

120 cube left

no tosa

no coin no tosa only 120cube left

[eager cedar]

hmm, on the bright side, all the ssr ive gotten are from event

[dry socket]

heard that amagi-nagatoflag-3rd sakura bb works well in pvp

to what extent

[elder crane]

is just short of the very top options

you'll do fine enough with it

just needs an extra reset every now and then vs the best defense teams

[dry socket]

any better combinations with amagi or nagato

[elder crane]

see pins

[proper sorrel]

does it have to be a ijn BB?

might as well just bring warspite instead

[mint hornet]

what level would you swap in hiryuu amagi for a 120 akaga (third ship being ws kai)

[proper sorrel]

what's your other ship

[mint hornet]

was thinking 100

warspite kai

no nagato 😦

akagi kaga warspite*

[proper sorrel]

what.

[dry socket]

missed the warspite event

[proper sorrel]

i thought you meant your current main was
hiryuu, amagi, warspite

[dry socket]

[elder crane]

I'd wait til min lv110, probably lv115 before they're noticably better

[mint hornet]

ah lol I currently have a 120 warspite akagi and kaga

recently got a hiryuu and leveled her to 70

got amagi today so at some point she'll be leveled

and was wondering around where it'd be viable to swap those two in

mb, didn't write my initial message clearly

[sterile bluff]

has lv120 akaga

just got hiryuu

[mint hornet]

Yea lol

[sterile bluff]

nice one mate

[mint hornet]

I had soryuu when i first started then did 3-4

tried for hiryuu a few times but decided to come back and get her since I wanted to try the higher rated pvp comps

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

just do namaryuu if u have nagato

[mint hornet]

No nagato 😦

[sterile bluff]

no sword?

[elder crane]

So, I just found out that in PvE, Tosa centers fixed barrage even when nonflag

does that mean she always aims at flagship spot in PvP with that?

[vague token]

like it spawns from the middle?

or it aims diagonally

[ionic magnet]

yea her barrage is not affected by positioning

[vague token]

sounds like pretty great for pve

xD

if it spawns from flag position

[ionic magnet]

yep makes her unique

[elder crane]

it aims diagonally, but it's arcing so same thing

[vague token]

oh ok

so it aims diagonally at the center

[elder crane]

https://streamable.com/xj4rxu

[vague token]

oh yeah the pellets are from top

[sterile bluff]

what are her numbers? Cuz that barrage looks pretty powerful

[elder crane]

she's like middle of pack in total damage, slightly above maybe, but tight pattern means she probably is among the top
1560 damage of large shots with 90/120/70 mods, 6 in a tight fixed pattern, 4 shots aimed
Amagi has 1840 with those mods
Hood has 2262 at 70/100/90
Monarch at 2054 with 40/125/120
Bama at 1530 with 50/120/115
Litt at 1566 with 40/125/125
Rossiya at 1530 with 40/120/125
Suruga at 1300 with 70/100/90
KGV at 1104 with 80/100/130
Bismarck (lol) at 880 with 70/100/90
so it's middle of pack, maybe towards upper end

[ripe latch]

top food

[elder crane]

Tosa main-barrage-wise in PvP seems just worse than Amagi

so yeah....

trades Amagi's defensive skills and fast load and some of main barrage power for a weak secondary barrage

[sterile bluff]

tbh

after all my time calculating barrage dmgs

i started paying less attention to tot base dmg

like take ws or georgia for example

on paper their barrages look weak af

but they're not

[elder crane]

the pattern tightness is a lot more important in PvP, yeah

[sterile bluff]

and in pve

[elder crane]

on paper they do not look weak lol

[sterile bluff]

for bossing

i mean... 1k?

for georgia

[elder crane]

ws barrage on paper only looks weak if you ignore all the modifiers on it

same with Georgia

[vague token]

so does that mean she focuses mid? xD

[sterile bluff]

all im saying is that pattern has a lot to do with it

[vague token]

with some of the arc?

[elder crane]

I would assume so, but idk

[vague token]

you could do a weird focus mid comp maybe

lol

[upper sparrow]

tosa t0 pvp

[elder crane]

yes, pattern does matter a lot more in PvP since fixed enemy main fleet position

basically, ships with good on-paper barrages can be 🚮 in practice

never the other way around though

anyone with a shitty barrage on-paper has a shitty barrage in practice

[vague token]

the struggle of biscuit

[sterile bluff]

ws's barrage looks pretty shit on paper

so does georgia's

at least like

[elder crane]

only if you ignore mods lol

[vague token]

wut, those barrages look amazing compared to biscuits

[sterile bluff]

ok saying theyre shit is a bit harsh

[ripe latch]

🚮

[sterile bluff]

but on paper they don't seem nearly as op as they r in gameplay

[elder crane]

except they do?

Let's take WS here for example

[stable dawn]

Mid focus? Could we finally have a ship that can delete Nagato before she procs?

[vague token]

lol no

70 vs heavy

[stable dawn]

F

[upper sparrow]

[sterile bluff]

ok WS, 404.8 * 1.3 * 1.5 * (0.8(1.15)(446+215)+100)/100 = 5589.6 what is not all that impressive until you look at its pattern which is only 2 shells, meaning most of the time all that dmg goes thru

if u look at taihou's

on paper it's like... holy fucking shit this thing will hit like a truck

[elder crane]

404.8
but then crit 1.5 multiplier, so
607.2
but then +130% damage, which takes her from 80%->210%, which is a 2.625 multiplier
so
1593.9 base damage effectively
and comes out in 10 s

[sterile bluff]

i already did all the calcs lmao

[elder crane]

your calcs are wrong lol

[sterile bluff]

how

[elder crane]

you're missing the +130%

[sterile bluff]

im not including it

that's not wrong per se

[elder crane]

what

the first barrage is what's powerful

the rest are actually not that strong

[sterile bluff]

oh i was talking about her barrage in general

[vague token]

they're just decent ap shots

[elder crane]

in general it's actually not strong at all

[sterile bluff]

i would disagree

[elder crane]

in PvE it's basically ignorable

[sterile bluff]

guaranteed proc every 15 seconds

it's definitely not ignorable in pve lol

unless the map has a crazy amount of fireboats

[elder crane]

with absolute garbage targeting
Warkai is good in PvE for her main guns

[sterile bluff]

her barrage is basically a 4th mgm

[elder crane]

If warkai was good in PvE due to barrage, then you wouldn't see her when vs light armor
but warkai murders light armor just as well
even in my 45 s EX runs vs light armor boss, she beats out JB in damage

[sterile bluff]

im not saying that her barrage is super good or anything in pve

[elder crane]

and she's close to beating out JB in 25 s EX runs vs light armor boss

[sterile bluff]

it's just not ignorable

like i said i treat it exactly as a 4th mgm

it's obviously not her main source of dmg

[elder crane]

literally her main guns do like 50, 60% more damage vs light on average with mk6 than Jean Bart

that's why she's good

[sterile bluff]

well ye obviously her shells r top notch

anyways

i was just saying how pattern is sometimes more important than numbers

look at rossiya

[elder crane]

anyone with a shitty barrage on-paper has a shitty barrage in practice

I stand by that

Taihou btw doesn't hit particularly hard with barrage on-paper, lol
It only seems to if you ignore AA damage reduction

[sterile bluff]

then it just depends on how u define "shitty on paper"

r tosa's numbers on the spreadsheet yet?

[elder crane]

nope

and shitty on paper means exactly that

considering everything but pattern, and maybe ship stats

[crude mortar]

this is waifu

very important

[sterile bluff]

wonder what tosa will sound like when she gets a voice

[ripe latch]

but kaga bb get like jojo actor voice , welp

[empty grove]

Rank 2

It's one of those seasons

[sterile bluff]

[zenith tundra]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tDiPDAI4kso

this looks terrible

[hot creek]

how many list refreshes burned?

[keen sparrow]

is a mess lol, saruga still better

still waiting my mamagi come to my chaldea dock

[ripe latch]

any sakura bb > tosa

[keen sparrow]

3 tosa

[zenith tundra]

it's not about the mess. it hits everything which is like worse possible thing with those mods

[forest lake]

T sa

[elder crane]

Seems to aim at flag with fixed portion, which is shit given 120 vs med and 70 vs heavy mods.....

So yeah, I don't think it's even worth trying out in PvP then

[zenith tundra]

maybe if she actually hits like 2-5-2 due to aoe but even then it's 5 on a nagato....

[crude mortar]

how good is essex's event plant the torpedo bomber?

*plane

or just use berracuda?

VT-8

[zenith tundra]

cudas have more consistent dmg overall.

if u feel lucky and against 3 bb comp u can try vt-18 but it's damage depends if u hit bb early or not

for the flood.

so i would just stick to good old crash dmg that is consistent

[crude mortar]

ok

why is izumo so tanky

only taking 3140 first warspite barrage

and I have qe buff

[keen sparrow]

she have reduce ap skill

[ripe latch]

why is izumo so tanky
@crude mortar

[crude mortar]

I change to 406

she die

z

[upper sparrow]

so izumo is a good counter for triple 410mm and the rainbow gun eh

[elder crane]

No

she takes less damage, sure
but then
you're running Izumo

[upper sparrow]

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

It's like you're running Suruga

except she's not tanky vs anything else

[upper sparrow]

tanking warkai barrage with izumo, big brain tactic

[elder crane]

and doesn't provide damage reduction to rest of fleet

[upper sparrow]

[keen sparrow]

nagato join hms faction

[proper sorrel]

i keep forgetting to attack aaa

[keen sparrow]

[proper sorrel]

lost 3 today

[keen sparrow]

20% reload n accuary for warkai n monalisa

[upper sparrow]

isn't it 15% tho, we are talking abt QE buff right?

[keen sparrow]

no i talking nagato buff

[upper sparrow]

oh

[keen sparrow]

still waiting queen retro

[proper sorrel]

same

[ripe latch]

second hood . game wants me to play hms on pvp?

[crude mortar]

I got 3 hoods today no tosa

[proper sorrel]

at least you got an SSr

[keen sparrow]

got triple tosa but no mamgi n my gold is 1k left

[proper sorrel]

aye portland rammed herself to death

[crude mortar]

bug game

best game

[ripe latch]

[proper sorrel]

you got this

[ripe latch]

no more kent's? (

[crude mortar]

I wasting 120 on washington rate up

cuz 5 minniea pook me

I thouight I gonna waste all my cube this event

and need to whale next event

cube crisis averted

[ripe latch]

waste coubs on CE

1 month after
|| sakura rerun ||

[proper sorrel]

god no

[crude mortar]

just dont

my cube is no ready

me no want to whale

[proper sorrel]

don't jinx it

[sterile bluff]

this is strange

hood's mod against med is 100

but the dmg color is grey

[golden fable]

Reminder that construction results are not pvp related.

[abstract cypress]

did tosa will cums barrage on my pvp fleet if i have her?

[zenith tundra]

can u rephrase that pls

[shell heron]

do you mean if Tosa will proc her proximity barrage in PvP?

[sterile bluff]

can someone first answer my question

[zenith tundra]

idk why the numbers are grey

[sterile bluff]

rip

ill call yostar

i hate grey numbers

[crude mortar]

what did maisora say

[zenith tundra]

the activation range of tosa melee barrage is like a non pr cl gun

[crude mortar]

70 range?

[zenith tundra]

less

[crude mortar]

z

[shell heron]

if the armor modifier is 100%, dunno I'm going to assume the damage is still what it's suppose to be

[zenith tundra]

it activates after nepgun

[shell heron]

that's a pretty close range they need to get to proc that barrage

[crude mortar]

does it deal alot of dmg?

or tickle

what mod

[zenith tundra]

how would i know with a lvl 59 tosa sl1 melee barrage

[crude mortar]

no body datamine it?

the base mod

[sterile bluff]

imagine relying on datamines

[zenith tundra]

u can check dmg but idk how much she actually hits in pvp

like does she even hit any of that barrage at all

[shell heron]

the proximity barrage?

that pattern doesn't look too promising

[zenith tundra]

she shoots mostly in front so being stuck on the sides doesn't help

[vague token]

rip

[proper sorrel]

amagi server pvp is getting quite intense

[meager dawn]

how intense

[proper sorrel]

there's actual fleets now

with synergy

[vague token]

[past egret]

It’ll be dominated by abusemagi comps shortly

[sterile bluff]

so apparently the "mini event" game-news was referring to might be mic

so when we getting sword

[crude mortar]

after all these

[sterile bluff]

i hope we get it sooner than that...

altho i wouldn't mind essex

actually no screw essex

need to save cubes

[zenith tundra]

sandy and ws events are so stupid that is not worth considering that they share same slots as big events

[sterile bluff]

^^^

[zenith tundra]

it's 30s of a stupid daily

[sterile bluff]

sword is a tiny minigame event

i think they can add it anytime

imagine we get mic and sword together

[crude mortar]

its wierd way to develop the game

very wierd

you wanna upgrade some character but again you add it to event limited

[meager dawn]

what do players that already got sandy kai and warkai get from their retro event after finishing them

[crude mortar]

if you give it away alot then there is no purpose of being limited

[sterile bluff]

like i always say time gating a fkin retrofit is absurd

[zenith tundra]

go complain to devs

[crude mortar]

and then if you dont give it alot then it suffer people

i ain't complaining

[sterile bluff]

wait guys

i have a great idea

[meager dawn]

slap it in core data for 5k

[sterile bluff]

why not put mic and sword as craftable items and u can only get the bps from research?

yooooooooo that could actually work

that way it takes time and effort to get it but it's not time gated

[zenith tundra]

worse idea then event limited

[sterile bluff]

works for me

[meager dawn]

just slap it in core data for 5k

literal months of farming hm

[zenith tundra]

there is already plenty of trash in research without something as useless as a retro item

[sterile bluff]

and make it so that once u get 1 bps will never drop

[crude mortar]

if they want you to get it easy they could just add it

but they dont

cuz they want you suffer

[sterile bluff]

^^^

and they r doing a good job of making me suffer

[meager dawn]

suffer

[crude mortar]

the more suffering you had the more you appreciate when you get it

that make you keep playing the game

it very simple logic

if you cant wait 3-4month for something then you aren't their target customer

[sterile bluff]

3-4 months?

it better be as soon as 3-4 months

[crude mortar]

maybe a year

[sterile bluff]

that's... too much

i don't think most ppl can wait that long

it's just extremely unfair to those who started playing right after the event

aka me

[crude mortar]

you know they give you many waifu if you couldn't get one anytime soon it might not be the end of the world

the problem is you want her for pvp

[sterile bluff]

and pve

i just want her in general

[crude mortar]

where have you been when azur lane anime begin airing?

[zenith tundra]

u can do pvp without ws it's just that other stuff is also event locked and research locked. it's their fault for creating trash like ws, amagi and fdg

[sterile bluff]

when it began airing?

[crude mortar]

im 100% sure they target the new player that watch anime cuz you know new player come from watching anime

[sterile bluff]

i remember i watched the trailer for it rly long back then started watching in like feb or smth

[crude mortar]

thats around october

[sterile bluff]

when i started watching sword already went by

i think...

[crude mortar]

normally if people gonna play the game they should start playing before ep 4 anyway isn't it

[sterile bluff]

[crude mortar]

the problem is there are also new player that didn't start that time

and you're among them

[sterile bluff]

all i remember was starting around the same time as when i started watching

[crude mortar]

the anime start on october

4 ep is november

they add the sword around21 november thats around ep 6-7 cuz one week with skip by that time if new player gonna play the game they would've already starting

and its already late for old player to get the sword

isn't it

[sterile bluff]

welp

i started after that

[crude mortar]

suffer

u

f

f

e

r

[sterile bluff]

pffffffff

the mini-event might not even be mic

lmao

[crude mortar]

when I start playing

they give warspite sword

they also give free enterprise

and wishing well

[sterile bluff]

[keen sparrow]

wat i read nagato rerun

finaly i can join a metta

[eager cedar]

[empty grove]

What is this season

[shell heron]

I don't see you yet

[empty grove]

Yeah i'm being dumb

Holy shit

No -

[shell heron]

getting stalled

[empty grove]

Wtf

[shell heron]

oooh cutting it close

and you're still 8 up of me

[glossy meteor]

Hey guys idk if this is normal but my warspite retro whenever the skill price almost always one of the shots miss so is that normal or no

[shell heron]

it has that chance of missing. even more so that a meta main fleet because we run eva gear

[eager cedar]

[glossy meteor]

Makes sense I had to put on idk what the gear is called but it increases hit by 32 or 34 at Max enhance

Then it somewhat consistently hit both

[hot creek]

it is indeed one of those seasons

praying my opponents have 10 charges

otherwise its another round with no bonus

[glossy meteor]

Wow I can barely get to lower admiral if the game doesn't go 14k back and like 13k vanguard

[crude mortar]

I use 12k vg 13k main and miss 5 tix

[zenith tundra]

doesn't look at all like she can hit bot

or spread rng. 1/4 hit bot once

it's literally a flag snipe

maybe 1-2 shells can hit top/bot

[crimson bear]

In #media-content might want to check out my newest video as it relates to PvP in depth for those interested.

[ripe latch]

27 min

[crimson bear]

It is advanced, so I do cover a lot. There is a much shorter beginner's one.

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

what's that? a chart how to be 60 pts behind top scores?

[crude mortar]

ctrl c v

send this to all pvp newb

and everyone become sandbaggar

i believe you can pin this vid so when newbie ask how to get point just send this vid

[zenith tundra]

i'm not the author of it. u can have it pinned if u want or the author wants. just ask little mods

[crimson bear]

Sure I have no problem with it being pinned. I'll make a comment that's more pin friendly.

PvP Beginner Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fC0XEh_QHY
PvP Advanced Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kd-isT5Jac

[karmic forum]

@crimson bear You mentioned that theres no fleet tech in PvP but I'm pretty sure that fleet tech boosts apply in PvP.

[zenith tundra]

nah

that was a bug after after fleet tech was added

[meager dawn]

[karmic forum]

Fleet tech is reflected in power ratings though

[zenith tundra]

it was fixed like 1 week later

so it's in ur fleet power rating but not effectively applied

[karmic forum]

Oh ok

[meager dawn]

so whales can go big fleet power flex

and go even bigger

[karmic forum]

Thats kind of disappointing

[zenith tundra]

if u say so. it would make difference in between players that oath/farm a lot and casuals even bigger

[ripe latch]

creep guide

[zenith tundra]

making it harder for people to do pvp

[ionic magnet]

now time to make a how to beat famine guide

[meager dawn]

1. You don't. You give up

[proper sorrel]

make a pure rng team

[crimson bear]

Thank you!

[sudden spoke]

[ripe latch]

5fps...

[elder crane]

The game currently doesn't keep track of opponent fleet tech btw, that's probably why it's not included in PvP

The bug was that your fleet tech gave bonuses to your opponent and not yourself, which was patched to properly have no bonuses 3 days later

CN PvP testers figured out something was wrong pretty much the day of the patch since offense winrates plummeted, and some damage calcs showed what was going on

JP was like "lol what is PvP"

EN was like "lol what is fleet tech" (since we didn't even have lv120 uncap yet)

[zenith tundra]

even in en u could tell that something was wrong especially if u started raising nation fleet tech

[elder crane]

Not really, sorta?
Nation fleet tech takes time, in 2-3 days, at most you reach tech 5-6
That's like, +5 hit +10 FP and +9 Avi +6 reload at most
Plus, most people saved up/focused on research, so didn't go that high
Collection bonuses are mostly to HP, which is like
who notices +50 HP on a battleship or CV lol
Especially since main fleet matters much more than vanguard
The big bonuses in that time are from lv120, especially with the PvP testers being long-term CN players, and so having close to +20 FP +5 Hit and +15 Avi +3 reload +4 hit
That is, those CN players would've been seeing over twice the effect we were, at minimum

[zenith tundra]

i'm not saying that it was that as noticeable as cn but u could tell that some matchups were harder over night for no apparent reason

how do stat buff scale multi or additive?

[elder crane]

stat buffs always additive with each other

I believe this includes amagi debuff

[zenith tundra]

in the table i might just separate buff and debuffs but dunno. it's hard to have all her buffs and debuffs on 1 trigger

also i still have no clue how to add the stat reduction to ehp.

i guess as a dr but there is not value that works for everything

[elder crane]

nope, but you can guesstimate to within 1%, and it's same % effect (within like 0.01%) for every loadout

7% or maybe 6.5% equivalent Dred imo a fairly good estimate given what sort of stats/buffs you see in PvP

[zenith tundra]

i'll leave it for last after i do dps for all ships and see how much it affects each ship and then decide

i remember someone saying that there are only 4 fire ticks in pvp... do u know anything about that @elder crane

[elder crane]

there's only 4 fire ticks everywhere base

[zenith tundra]

oh ok

[elder crane]

includes JP from what I heard

basically the <=15 s trigger is borked and it's <15 s

you can however get a "0-tick refresh"

if the fire is "refreshed" before the first tick happens, it does go to 5 ticks

this applies to most floods too btw

Formi flood for example, is 2 ticks base if only applied once, but since formi launches two staggered set of torps, if both apply the flood, the second refreshes it so it's properly 3 ticks

[zenith tundra]

good to know

[elder crane]

tl;dr 🍝 code is 🍝 and almost all DoTs are 1 tick less than their duration indicates

VT-18 btw for some reason doesn't suffer from this bug... which is extra 🍝 since there appears to be nothing special about the code

Rossiya flood (lol) got "fixed" by making the flood last 0.5 s longer

[buoyant parrot]

how's everyone's Tosa doing?

mine creeping in very slow at 55

[zenith tundra]

lvl 80 and 80 affection

d3 farm is not helping at all with oath

[buoyant parrot]

her barrage seems to be somewhat okay and I find her near barrage skill good in killing VG's (maybe)

[zenith tundra]

idk about her melee barrage yet. sl1 still

i'll wait for some decent sl to test that

her main problem is dumping dmg on nagato with 0.7 mods vs heavy

her barrage falls on opponent flagship and aimed seems to be shooting wherever

[buoyant parrot]

[elder crane]

melee barrage is kinda ehh too
it's just 2 ~100 bdmg 140% mod shots, with unimportant spray

30% fire chance though I suppose

[buoyant parrot]

will see how it goes. I just hope she's somewhat better than BB Kaga

[zenith tundra]

her barrage is more consistent but also less dmg on heavy

and i'm still very puzzled by nagato focus

[zenith tundra]

done for the ehp part. need only to add damage calculation for other ships
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bIMMUpiKm3SSPhMU9pMh9tyN8FyKWK9JvqPREdFBbSI/edit#gid=0

[elder crane]

that's part of her kit for PvE

her fixed barrage still targets center of screen even when on the edge, so she's one of the few barragers that can perform well non-flag there, and is the only good-barrage ship that straight-up doesn't care about being not flagship

[zenith tundra]

i have no complain about that in pve

it's amazing