pvp

[midnight heron]

if u ever meet an unkillable hiryuu just swap ws around and kill amagi first

[zenith tundra]

or at least within a decent time

[sterile bluff]

so basically try hiryuu first if it doesn't work just kill amagi

okie

[midnight heron]

i cant even try hms snipe cuz lvling takes forever

[sterile bluff]

what if i do HMS snipe with amagi

you know what they say "if ya cant beat 'em, join 'em"

[midnight heron]

but amagi isnt hms

[sterile bluff]

hms with

amagi

like

2 hms ships and amagi

[midnight heron]

u can try

[untold wharf]

fully maxed out wfc needs resets to beat namaryuu? wut

or r we talking about diff comp

[jagged steppe]

it depend on comp too

[zenith tundra]

ws monarch amagi... it does help ur vg but also reduces the sniping potential. don't even think is better then monarch ws centaur but i'll try and test both of them

[midnight heron]

only problem with amagi is u dk where her shells land

at least with hms the 1st salvo is always on target

[jagged steppe]

if enemy fleets are slow

amagi just kill them

[zenith tundra]

once u have a good team u usually just don't have problems with most comps. it's just maxed comps with bis stuff that are the true tests

[jagged steppe]

yesterday I atk meme fleet with javelin laffey vanguard

but their jeanbart just killing my whole vg first 5s

3 times out of 4

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

more boilers

[shell heron]

you're not dodging enough

[vague token]

i love it when my vanguard chooses to not move

[vague token]

xD

[midnight heron]

its the damned rng i like to complain about

[jagged steppe]

i believe one day i'll use jeanbart and torpmeme

[midnight heron]

sometimes ur ships just act like retards

and/or enemy has some advanced tracking shelling ai

[zenith tundra]

any slow vg fleet is easy win with jb but so it is for all meta comps

[shell heron]

might as well use WFC then. Once those planes launch

[jagged steppe]

I mean if I use bunches of torp and jeanbeart

[shell heron]

the vg is pretty much gone

[jagged steppe]

one of them gonna wipe their vg

isn't it

[midnight heron]

wfc not lvled

[shell heron]

It's oddly strong vs IJN, then again you're sending planes against them

[zenith tundra]

torp offense is not reliable tho

[jagged steppe]

why

[midnight heron]

[sterile bluff]

twerpmemes are awesome

[zenith tundra]

like it can dmg backlines so it's not terrible but u won't kill vg unless lucky rng

[sterile bluff]

allow me to introduce my killer move called restart

[jagged steppe]

^

I love gambling

but I dont want to go casino wasting my money

[zenith tundra]

i only said reliable which means more resets

[jagged steppe]

instead I play azur lane

[sterile bluff]

like bro, that feeling u get when the enemy rams straight into all ur torps 👌

twerpgasm

[zenith tundra]

or i can just sit there and see azuma mg them to death anyway with less rng involved

[midnight heron]

every time the enemy runs into ur torps, u run into their torps 9 times

[sterile bluff]

...

shhhhhh we don't talk about that part

[midnight heron]

fk dis game

[zenith tundra]

devs fault for not being able to calculate properly mid field

[shell heron]

Restart meet your rival, "Forget to pay attention"

[midnight heron]

i dont mind the midfield rly

[sterile bluff]

Forget to pay attention meet your rival, "turn off wifi"

[midnight heron]

its just how they code initial ship movement dat causes offense torpmemes to fail

[sterile bluff]

that's tru

ships on offense move different than defense

at the beginning

[midnight heron]

9 times out of 10 ur side launches torps while travelling to the edge of the map

[sterile bluff]

defense goes straight offense goes to the bottom of the fkin screen...

[midnight heron]

yet enemy gets to launch moving forward

[zenith tundra]

use avrora so ur vg doesn't move at all

[sterile bluff]

i wish pvp was legit pvp, like manual real time human vs human

[jagged steppe]

rofl

[sterile bluff]

cuz then that's tru skill

[vague token]

eldridge/avrora/ who is next slowest

[midnight heron]

avrora + eldridge

[sterile bluff]

csgo 1v1 flashbacks

[jagged steppe]

pvp like this is fine I just dont like the 20% dmg reduction

[zenith tundra]

al is a waifu game not a competitive fps...

[sterile bluff]

i wanna legit play against a real person manually

that'll be so fun

[jagged steppe]

I wanna play crosswave pvp

[sterile bluff]

oh and turn mic on XD

so u can talk while u 1v1

HAHAHAHAHA

[midnight heron]

i find crosswave combat sucky

cant even see the torps properly

[zenith tundra]

the dmg reduction tbh only eliminates more chance of resting due to rng

[jagged steppe]

if you bag at last 5min

and their fleet is slightly weaker

they just gonna miss

or forced to atk other fleety

cuz they waste more time

[vague token]

seasonal ship bonuses when

get more points for using other ships ;)

[zenith tundra]

imagine ws having a chance of one shooting anything in the game and u have to pray for rng with evasion gear that u aren't forced to play 5vs6 10s in

[jagged steppe]

it could waste their time

if their fleet isn't that stronger

last 5min

they just had to atk something else

then everyone gonna start putting serious fleet on defense

[sterile bluff]

i wish they made ws's 1st barrage boost smaller but increased base dmg UwU

that'll make her even more broken

[midnight heron]

my srs fleet

[sterile bluff]

ayyyyy waryuu amagi

man of culture

[zenith tundra]

it really wouldn't matter at all if u use strong or weak fleet if u have to reset anyway

[jagged steppe]

it is

cuz if u reset 2 more times

[sterile bluff]

what dev is azuma viable in pvp?

[jagged steppe]

from 1 fight

3 times per day

u start wasiting time in your life more

[sterile bluff]

wasting time in your life?

[jagged steppe]

mental torturing

[sterile bluff]

why r u playing AL then

[zenith tundra]

and stop playing pvp since rewards are trash

[midnight heron]

im forced to reset cuz al designed pvp to giv exp

[sterile bluff]

xp is guud

[midnight heron]

so i'll never use fully maxed fleet on offense

[zenith tundra]

it's ur fault for wasting time in pvp when u can just farm pve....

[sterile bluff]

anyways what dev is azuma viable in pvp?

[midnight heron]

idk

[sterile bluff]

20?

[vague token]

ive used her since 16 or so

[zenith tundra]

instead of spending time resetting why not just do it in 1 go and go farm 1 map with the time u didn't spend resetting

[vague token]

good for soaking gun shots

with armor

[zenith tundra]

20 is good

[vague token]

20 is better

25 is best

[midnight heron]

u assuming using a maxed fleet means guaranteed win tho

[jagged steppe]

in the end if you just atk easy fleet then you get bullings anyway

but for people on the top

they gonna try harder

[midnight heron]

which isnt the case

either way a reset is in order

[zenith tundra]

i can prove that using certain comps will guarantee 99.9% win rating

against any opponent

[sterile bluff]

sheesh... it seems that zack rly hates restarting

[midnight heron]

well from my experience it never happened

unless u talking dev30 fdg azuma

[zenith tundra]

u still need to finish pr2 for that

yeah that

[midnight heron]

not practical for me man

[jagged steppe]

isn't it right

if you have those dev30

[zenith tundra]

it's a matter of time

[midnight heron]

wud at least take me a year from now

[jagged steppe]

it mean you play the game alot and invested time into game alot you deserved better reward then people who didn't

*than

[zenith tundra]

to do research is just checking ur phone every now and then... so hard to do

[midnight heron]

i mean i dont do research off cd

but i do it pretty often still

[sterile bluff]

tbf... it's hard to spam Hs without whaling...

so...

u do kinda have to invest

[midnight heron]

and my azoomer is only dev16

imagine farming 300 more bp

[zenith tundra]

cubes are not needed for research unless u have problems waiting

[sterile bluff]

i do have problems waiting

i need dev30 fast D:

i need it now D:

[zenith tundra]

good luck with that

[sterile bluff]

D:

thank you

[zenith tundra]

u shouldn't actively focus on research tbh. it's an end game mechanic for a reason

[sterile bluff]

i must rush!

[zenith tundra]

is like waiting for core data shop to refresh for items...

[sterile bluff]

rush B cyka blyat

gotta rush B brudda

[midnight heron]

gud

rush pvp as well #joinrushersquad

[sterile bluff]

LOL

[zenith tundra]

everyone is welcome to rush pvp

[sterile bluff]

in all seriousness tho, if u do Hs it makes dev30 a lot faster right?

[midnight heron]

ofc

[zenith tundra]

cubes do speed up quite a bit

[midnight heron]

i tested on both my acc

[sterile bluff]

alright then time to whale

[midnight heron]

h givs more bp for the same rarity of research compared to d

[sterile bluff]

yep

i think if i spam Hs i can get like 10bps a day for a specific ship?

[midnight heron]

left side does more h

[sterile bluff]

🤔

noice

[coral wren]

send help i wanna build vanguard

for pvp, backline is akaga hood

these are only good ships

[zenith tundra]

where is aurora?

[coral wren]

umm

no luck

[zenith tundra]

F

[coral wren]

i swear i do daily light everyday

[shell heron]

I already see Noshiro and yuki

[coral wren]

3 months and

no aurora...

[midnight heron]

belshikaze

[coral wren]

oo

[shell heron]

missing juneau and you got a standard vg

[coral wren]

oh

yukibeljuneau eh

i see..

[proper sorrel]

Juneau Yukikaze Noshiro

[coral wren]

eh

noshiro instaed of bell

okay cool

[shell heron]

juneau/noshiro/yuki

[coral wren]

but thing with juneau is shes kinda hard to raise

ill try my best eventually, aiming for full 120 first

[proper sorrel]

equipements are also important

[coral wren]

mhm, that i know.

[shell heron]

she does okay in ch12 because USS CL

[zenith tundra]

just use yuki aya noshiro for now imo the levels should make it at least not explode too fast

[shell heron]

provides nothing but AA but it's something

[coral wren]

oo

so yuki ayaya noshiro

the placements?

[shell heron]

noshiro lead

[zenith tundra]

noshiro aya yuki

[coral wren]

ohh

mk, thx minnasan

❤️

[mild spruce]

H speeds up significantly as you see

[coral wren]

damn flexed

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

i don't think hakaga is a good backline tbh but if u have nothing else i understand

[shell heron]

blue and purple H does come up quite often

[coral wren]

need nugget to replace hood soon

and i think my backline will be nugget akaga forever cuz

ill need amagi rerun to get the standard meta backline

ehh just alot of reruns needed or ill die

[zenith tundra]

nakaga will suffer a lot especially with pr2 rainbow stuff like azuma fdg and 457

[coral wren]

oh no..

[karmic forum]

Nakaga has been suffering for awhile now

[sour oasis]

I blame new HMS

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu was 1st tho. now is both hiryuu and ws

[midnight heron]

[coral wren]

whoa

[shell heron]

After gensui rush, ping me if you get me. I'll rush for you

sandbagging for now

[zenith tundra]

i don't thin i'll see u for a while then

[shell heron]

I'll prob show up on the right side eventually

[sour oasis]

I'm still sleeping around the 800s. (But that's on Avrora and no one plays on Avrora any more)

[shell heron]

only 24 behind you now

[zenith tundra]

is that even within range i can get? that's so bad

[shell heron]

I mean I'm behind and still sandbagging

[zenith tundra]

at 24 behind i need u to rush 5 for a +1

[shell heron]

if you catch me, I'll be moving 10

or whatever is left

[zenith tundra]

don't worry i don't need help. i just need bad rng for famine

i'm rank 359 with a dead list for now

[karmic forum]

Zack vs. Famine battle of the ages

[marsh bane]

Famine wins?

[karmic forum]

One time I tried competing against Famine and we both ended up missing some runs somehow.

[marsh bane]

nolifer missing runs

[elfin summit]

jeez Famine dominates in pvp as well

[marsh bane]

pvp maybe

[elfin summit]

he keep you strict as well

I mean, #3 event not any bad

[shell heron]

Didn't see him on the PvP board yet

should be coming up soon if he's getting good bonuses

[sour oasis]

I only see a small handful of familiar names on Avrora's top 100

[zenith tundra]

famine beats me for sure. idk rushers names at all and don't really bother writing them down

[karmic forum]

Its right after a reset, theres going to be a lot of rushers

[zenith tundra]

i saw famine and hooloovoo but didn't notice anyone else i know

in top 100

[sterile bluff]

what en server do u play on

[karmic forum]

Av where all of the cool kids sandbaggers are

[shell heron]

[sterile bluff]

idk if i can call myself a "sandbagger" cuz idk wtf im doing at this point

[sour oasis]

I can see Sky and Assman in Avrora's top 100. My 1500 points is barely good for rank 800. There's some new names from the day Sandy died.

[empty grove]

Should be easy to beat me this season

I'm checking PVP like every 2 hours

[shell heron]

one scuffed season into another

[empty grove]

I already gave up on the event day 1 too, since when I started some dude was already on around 20k

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

oh I know the guy that made you give up

I wonder how many more matches I need to win in order to gain 0.01% win rate again

I refuse to fall below 99.80%.

[karmic forum]

I wonder how many matches I have to lose to reach 50%

[sterile bluff]

you guys win matches?

[shell heron]

I lost 0.01% each time the last 2 times

I need to lose 4980 matches

[shell heron]

I need to lose 23.285 seasons in a row to hit 50%

so about a year

not doing that

[empty grove]

Ghost Hiryuu

[shell heron]

It was Eldridge and now Hiryuu terrorizes me

[shell heron]

I forgot if Kirie is one of us. the name is really familiar

[empty grove]

More tech levels when

& yeah Kirie is one

[shell heron]

I knew it

[sour oasis]

ikustakA and Ryouya use that same Nak-Ama-WS & torp-meme (Aya-YKK-Nosh) combo to good effect...
More familiar faces are crawling up ladder: loliception, ALAN, Donald Trump, Syaoran2, Ludo, Sky, High ground, Tohka66, MIST, Faceless

[shell heron]

on offense, I don't like relying on torp rng

defense doesn't matter as much because if RNG favors you. torp does more than stall

in that it forces a reset out real fast

[sour oasis]

It takes a year to go from 50% to 95%?
Yeah, that sounds about right.

[hot creek]

are we talking about meowfficer xp here

[sour oasis]

When Meowficers get faction bonuses?

[shell heron]

most likely longer. we have to remember losing matches still count towards total matches.

I'm at 8835

so with a 99.8% wr currently. it's gonna be at least 8000 matches

so 1.6 years of pure losing

[empty grove]

Haunted by ghost Hiryuu

Seems possible

[shell heron]

get distracted and lose every match

[empty grove]

I had to actually reset for the first time in a few months yesterday

Guys salvo full hit my vanguard perfectly, nagato procc'd 3 times for him & 0 for me

Amagi also didn't proc once for me

Shit was the definition of getting fucked by RNG

[sterile bluff]

[shell heron]

Yes. I seen that before. But it was only 2 nagato procs.

Had to reset before the 3rd because my vg was gone

[empty grove]

The 3rd smacked my almost dead ykkz

[sterile bluff]

i gotta say

i am interested in ur pfp

[empty grove]

Impossible to afk that shit

[shell heron]

My yuki was already melted by the first barrage

Between torps and nagato. My yuki went poof

[empty grove]

Also fuck daylight savings

I would have forgot pvp if I didn't set an alarm then

[ionic magnet]

rip zack

i dont see him in leaderboards

[hot creek]

i would guess he probably took a nap and couldnt wake up.

[zenith tundra]

felt asleep

whatever

i can at least rest now

[ionic magnet]

stella wont be proud

[zenith tundra]

fucking reset at 4am...

[ionic magnet]

im surprised im still alive also tbh

[hot creek]

ah ah ah ah , stayin alive, stayin alive.

[zenith tundra]

more then 1 season in a row full sandbagging just doesn't work for me too much mossong sleep

[shell heron]

we all scuffed this season

[ionic magnet]

yea i p much ditch 1 reset cos of that

[jagged steppe]

I missed 7 but I got a very healthy sleep

[zenith tundra]

i still have jp score.

[shell heron]

You had such a good run too

[zenith tundra]

1542 i guess missed 3 right?

[shell heron]

looked to be an easy top 3

[zenith tundra]

hooloo was 2 pts behind me before

[hot creek]

just use up rest of your matches if you anticipate involuntary sleep. I learned that lesson long ago.

nowadays i only lose charges when not paying attention to match

[ionic magnet]

yea thats 3 missed charges zack

[zenith tundra]

whatever if i fail jp score too i can rest even better

[hot creek]

I can't rest anyways. 24/7 research uptime

[ionic magnet]

i never lose to sleep
its mostly from waiting for last 10 mins then i get distracted watching some random vids

[hot creek]

Every 8hr DR face project I get I count as a blessing.

because it means sleeptime

[zenith tundra]

well god dammit if only en and jp schedules whould have more then 6h breakes in between resets

[empty grove]

Shit

You have my reset time

Fuck daylight savings

Also the amount of sleep i'll be able to get when PR is done

[sour oasis]

What's 'done'? Fate+10 for all of them?

[zenith tundra]

jp sxhedule is not that bad. i just have to wake up at 6am

[empty grove]

Soon™️

[hot creek]

only when you have x3 rainbow guns completed

[empty grove]

Yeah fuck that RNG

[shell heron]

I prob should do cube projects. been stuck on dev20 for a while

but my hoarding

[empty grove]

Join the 0 cube club

[charred sable]

Which for Yukkikaze?

[zenith tundra]

can't wait to see if i can resist wasting cubes for pr 3

[vague token]

i cant see any reason to ever use 130 on ykkz

she has like sub 100 fp

[zenith tundra]

twin 100 helps her aa

[vague token]

yeah while 100 adds 30 aa

[hot creek]

I am in the double digit cube club currently (although not really cause I have like 150 cubes in the mail still)

[charred sable]

Ohh, missed that part, good call

[ionic magnet]

hate these fake rushers stopping after 3 matches
like why would you still avoid eating +9 or +8 if youre rushing anyway

[zenith tundra]

lol

[karmic forum]

They might have lost a match

[sour oasis]

We get mail cubes?!

[zenith tundra]

[empty grove]

PR3

6 DR ships

[zenith tundra]

doesn't sound plausible

[empty grove]

I know

I'm just memeing

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/FuaaE/1e7c7f25d0.png apparently more cubes than i remembered

[zenith tundra]

it seems really hard to max more then 2 without cubes in 1 year

i'm still terrified at the idea of fate for dr

[hot creek]

if all the PR3 ships are DR, than means they all have same BP droprate as one another. Also that means rainbow face projects galore

cube proj will be rainbow af

[karmic forum]

My guess will be that PR3 will be 3:3 PR:DR

[zenith tundra]

hopefully not. dr are way too broken.... can't wait to see how bad pvp will be using a full - juneau ofc

[hot creek]

I will be gone before PR3 arrives. I know, I said the same thing before PR2 came but this time is srs bsns.

[zenith tundra]

why aee u even botheeing with pr2 then? seems pointless to bother with it if u don't use the ships at all

[hot creek]

Just something I want to finish before moving on.

The final flex

[sour oasis]

I'm just happy to have a +10 luck PR1.

[hot creek]

I should be done by the end of May.

Oh and I should have 1mill merits by then as well

[zenith tundra]

stella as well doesn't have much in pr1 fate. i have to say it was worth finishing fate 5 for pr1 i get to use izumo and roon at their max since they aren't max level yet

[hot creek]

I have Roon finished but I never click the unlock button. Im scared of her.

[vague token]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Fuawh/4519229992.png

[empty grove]

I have all yan girls at 120

[sterile bluff]

i quickly realized after today...

that spamming Hs is not practical...

rip cubes...

fuuuuuuuuuuck

how am i supposed to get bps fast without Hs D:

[hot creek]

spam quick projects and fish for face projects.

[sterile bluff]

Hs are quick

i can't spam Hs D:

the other quick projects are Q-3s and G-412s

[hot creek]

do those

[sterile bluff]

and Ds?

even if the face isn't the one i want?

[hot creek]

No.

[sterile bluff]

D:

[hot creek]

only face projects for the one you want.

[sterile bluff]

hmmmmmm

🤔

[empty grove]

@hot creek How are you doing on Georgia gun BP?

[hot creek]

im at 31

[empty grove]

I'm on like 26

[sterile bluff]

wtaf

only 10 here

but i only started spamming pr2 gear 3 weeks ago so

[karmic forum]

I'm at 30

[hot creek]

guy in trophy room is at 38

[sterile bluff]

...

how long does it even take?

i get like 1 bp a week ffs

[empty grove]

I was curious about you tho cause I know you spam cube research like me

[sterile bluff]

how do u spam cube research D:

teach me da wae

[hot creek]

for me, it comes and goes. I go weeks without getting anything. Then suddenly 5 drop in a span of three days or something like that

[empty grove]

By submitting to akashi

[sterile bluff]

ik same for me

but on average

it's like about 1 a week

but it's about to go way down cuz im starting to spam cube researches

[shell heron]

I had to choose between mediocre DR and working on fate5 buki

I chose buki

[empty grove]

I would have too

5 hour is cursed

[hot creek]

I only spam the 1/hr 3 cube ones. I rarely ever do the 2/hr 6 cube purple ones, that might explain the difference.

I still do the 5/hr DR face projects lol

[sterile bluff]

same here

[empty grove]

I don't do them much either

I don't like the 5 hour ones

[sterile bluff]

if i had the choice between 3 cube and 6 cube i do 3 cube

[shell heron]

3's sounds nice

[empty grove]

The amount of times i've only gotten 1 BP from it just isn't worth

[shell heron]

if the 10s were actually worth it. I might do them

[empty grove]

Tbh

I'd probably still do an FDG 5 hour tho since she's a bit behind azuma on BP

[shell heron]

both my DRs are behind even with all the shop bps

[hot creek]

I don't like em that much either but, still. Its a nice buffer for me as im already spending 14 cubes a day on average and I can only manage to barely sustain that lol

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

gonna be a while before dev30 either one

someone actually leveling her

[empty grove]

I need to do 24 ironblood ships

& she can atleast live in a 1:1

[karmic forum]

Hey its Rikka

[empty grove]

I might level prinz

[karmic forum]

Wait for refit

[empty grove]

Expensive for cog chips tho

[sterile bluff]

how many cubes yall got?

[karmic forum]

~450

[sterile bluff]

pog

[empty grove]

Idk

I'm on 500+ mail so

[sterile bluff]

chilling here with 350

should i even be spamming Hs with 350?

[karmic forum]

I wouldn't but I'm overly cautious

[empty grove]

If you wanna whale on events go for it

[sterile bluff]

fuck it time to whale

we don't know when is ce anyways

[empty grove]

At the pacing they have atm

[hot creek]

[empty grove]

I doubt they could even squeeze a rerun in

[sterile bluff]

no

ce will come

[karmic forum]

CE doesn't even give PR bps

[sterile bluff]

it has to

i don't care

[karmic forum]

I hope the rerun does

[sterile bluff]

it gives

and is all i need

i need some in my sad life 😢

[empty grove]

Amagi swimsuit skin when

[karmic forum]

miss me with events that don't give DR bps

[sterile bluff]

[empty grove]

I'd still farm 100k on it

[karmic forum]

I'm betting Amagi oath gets revealed soon

[sterile bluff]

ce rerun pls

[karmic forum]

And suddenly everyone who PvPs has a skin

[empty grove]

I don't even use hiryuu's skin in PVP

Unless you count retro as one

[sterile bluff]

hiryuu retro skin looks fucking awesome

[karmic forum]

Because retro > skin

[shell heron]

I don't even have the hiryuu school skin.

I like the retro skin more

[sterile bluff]

her retro skin is so cool

[empty grove]

I want to buy aya's rock skin

But i'm not paying full price for it

[karmic forum]

Aya's $80 skin is actually pretty nice

[empty grove]

One day it'll go on sale

[karmic forum]

I'd use it if I had it

[shell heron]

$80

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

Hows the BD?

Worth $80?

[empty grove]

On my shelf

Unused

[shell heron]

inb4 you have a full BD skin fleet to flex on people

[karmic forum]

Planning on watching it anytime?

[hot creek]

I only want a Neptune Headnodding L2D, then my life would be complete.

[empty grove]

Probably when I get the 6th one

[karmic forum]

Even if the AL anime was somehow amazing I don't think I'd get the BDs

[empty grove]

I only did it for the skins anyway

[karmic forum]

Fair enough, its the ultimate money flex

The only problem is that if they keep on releasing BD skins for vanguards it will be unbalanced

[empty grove]

Especially when one of them deadlined right when my countries economy took a massive shit

The next two will be laffey & Nimi

[karmic forum]

Yeah can't even flex them all on PvP whats the point

[empty grove]

Well you can flex 5/6

[shell heron]

how's the sprite for Ayanami?

[empty grove]

Literally her default with a cape

[karmic forum]

You can check on alg wiki

[empty grove]

I haven't seen the animations yet

[shell heron]

I'm looking at it but the animations might be nice

It's aya retro face with default outfit

with cloak

[karmic forum]

Her ears are actually different from the original/refit

[shell heron]

using the "ears" off the curry skin

[empty grove]

The dance is cute

She has uni's plushie on her arm

Animation is just her cutting an apple in half

[karmic forum]

https://alg-wiki.com/ship#ayanami

[empty grove]

Yeah just use that

Has all the animations on drop down

[karmic forum]

You can view animations, expressions, lines (not all translated) here

[shell heron]

oh better wiki

[karmic forum]

I always consult the wiki before I buy skins

[empty grove]

Tell you what I hate using IB ships

[karmic forum]

Only issue is that some L2D animations are a bit wonky on that site

[empty grove]

Javelin has a nice animation

Aya's also has no lines yet

[karmic forum]

Devs probably forgot to add them

[empty grove]

They added in javelin's later so we'll see

[elfin summit]

finally, Azuma dev25 again

seems like it's another one tho

wonder how many resets would it take

[frail orbit]

[elfin summit]

2nd try just roadrolled his vg

apparently, some lucky ryuusei cone

first time it took more time

[sour oasis]

Yup. That's going to be more common.

[shell heron]

could be dev20

[elfin summit]

how?

[shell heron]

dev20 is when she gets 5 star

[elfin summit]

ouch, true

my bad, I just counted 1 empty star

[shell heron]

yep I wasn't going crazy

[elfin summit]

yup, no rarity advance at lvl25

[shell heron]

but dev20 is when she becomes more viable than most other vg ships

so a better sanrui at dev20 than fate5 sanrui

[elfin summit]

me is just

[shell heron]

it's okay. someone here is dev28

[elfin summit]

[shell heron]

easy, just do cube projects

[empty grove]

Imagine being dev 28

Fucking whale

[elfin summit]

are non-focused projects worth?

[shell heron]

yea what a whale

[elfin summit]

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

honestly, if you don't mind throwing cubes away. yes

[elfin summit]

I mean, I take all Azuma/FdG ones, but the rest time take just fastest ones to reset list

[empty grove]

1 & 2 hour cube comms are viable

2 is expensive but still decent

Otherwise keep spamming your shortest option & pick focused DR stuff when it appears

[shell heron]

it's a better use of time than spamming Q-3xx for trash gear bps

g-412s aren't that bad

[empty grove]

1:30 is fine

I usually do that over a normal 1 hour equip

[shell heron]

thinking about changing it to the q-2xx ones

need to check the rates on them

[empty grove]

This is a nice experience

[elfin summit]

is there any decent guide for research projects? haven't seen any in #gameplay-help pins

[empty grove]

It doesn't really need a guide

[elfin summit]

I mean, rates and stuff

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

there is kind of a database being created using EN drops

I submit entries to it

[empty grove]

I can remember reading one awhile back

[elfin summit]

yeah, something like this

[empty grove]

But it was for PR1

[shell heron]

they have PR2 stuff there now

[empty grove]

Just from personal experience, 5 hour is trash

4 hour cube is trash

[elfin summit]

mind share a link?

[shell heron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r0himICsu0p_DcEPQYoMqv6V7bbtyZzhyX38SHpQZ3g/edit#gid=141685279

[elfin summit]

oh, thanks

[hot creek]

I had this earlier today, good thing I still had my refresh.

[shell heron]

thoses C projects can be trash

even more so for PR2

[hot creek]

although this one is probably worse.

those c-185 can be ok overnight though

ive done them six times and two of those times it gave me rainbow gun prints.

[empty grove]

I don't even do them overnight

I just break my sleep with lower ones

[vague token]

153mi is evil

ill do the other freesearch cause gotta stockpile gold

[sour oasis]

C is trash, but it is free.

[marsh bane]

gib that roon project

[sour oasis]

Huh. #1 on Av has a blank for their name?

[marsh bane]

what

[sour oasis]

The player at rank 1 had no name.

[marsh bane]

I don't understand he does

oh seems like it

[marsh bane]

[sour oasis]

Wait. What name do you see?

[marsh bane]

I see the same

nothing

[sterile bluff]

although this one is probably worse.
@hot creek PLEASE gimme that one the Q-0 is awesome...

[sour oasis]

Ah, so it isn't my lack of fonts; it's a neat name though.

[marsh bane]

tho playing on nox, idk

[elfin summit]

I approve his choice

|||IIlllll|llIII would be nice too

[sour oasis]

I took all my cubes from mail, but crap. How the heck do I use all that oil.

[marsh bane]

I would take that oil

Could use it

[shell heron]

I want to take specific parts of my mail and not touch the oil yet

[elfin summit]

wish I could take only gold part of mails

[coral wren]

is cata + avgas the best aux setup for akagi and kaga?

[frail orbit]

2020 and peeps still using Catas

Imagine

U ran rudder/beaver+avgas

U wont even need the boost from a cata

And imagine 2020 still using Nakaga

[elfin summit]

imagine 2020 still using Nakaga
is this actually Floof Cult saying?

[lapis bolt]

It's ok, Nagato is still around and if you've spent 800 gems, she will have more floof than any other floof girls combined

Largest tail to body ratio in comparison with any other girls in AL

[frail orbit]

Ehh, as a floof cult, I know what kind of thang Akaga wont gonna hit reliably

[meager dawn]

Akaga in current year

[empty grove]

That blank dude has been on avrora since day 1

His name was like that before they had the restrictions

[marsh bane]

oh

[zenith tundra]

rank 30 already...

soon top 10

[meager dawn]

[zenith tundra]

yay

no time wasted on fw

we can get actual events instead

[forest lake]

Finally

Vf and HPFCR

My dicc is ready

[jagged steppe]

no

the waracheieve

doesn't give ytou Vf and HPFCR

[forest lake]

Wait shit

[zenith tundra]

yep no hpfcr in jp and en

[forest lake]

Rip then

Time to actually quit the game

[zenith tundra]

[meager dawn]

he went in here

[ionic magnet]

[marsh bane]

Intern being somewhere else other than de#al-general

[forest lake]

Intern kun in pvp chat

Does this mean

PVP rework?

[smoky elk]

[fierce field]

[upper sparrow]

intern-kun visit this channel

[jagged steppe]

@viral galleon hello

can you give us all x2 plane and x2 hpfcr? thxm8

very appreciated

also rework pvp

[forest lake]

[marsh bane]

danned

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

[sterile bluff]

is 3cube H better than 6cube H?

i have a feeling 3cube is better...

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

6cube usually only gives like 4...

3cube is like 3

D:

why do i never get the face projects i want

[zenith tundra]

rng

[sterile bluff]

i hope i can go from dev20 to 30 in less than a month if i whale spam Hs

so uhhh...

i hope hpfcr is gonna be added to core

[zenith tundra]

never

[sterile bluff]

NOOOOOOOO

[zenith tundra]

it's gone like mag quint rainbow

[sterile bluff]

...

wait wut

we're never gonna get rainbow mag?

[zenith tundra]

i don't see it anywhere and the event is gone

[sterile bluff]

...

u r so pessimistic -_-

i asked gph and they said wishing well is still here

[zenith tundra]

they added vf-17 but not hpfcr. it might as well not exist anymore

[sterile bluff]

i refuse to believe that

[zenith tundra]

dc/oc how u want to call it has been retired for like half year in jp and no sight of rainbow quint

[sterile bluff]

i will get rainbow quint 😠

i am determined

[zenith tundra]

don't expect too much or u'll be disappointed

[sterile bluff]

nahhhh dude

it's gotta come back

just think about it

they won't just leave us with a t2 quint

and there's no official announcement

saying it's gone forever

[zenith tundra]

from 15th august till april is a long time and no sign of it

[sterile bluff]

en schedule is

no matter

as long as i get my ce and air raids im happy for now

and isss

and spitesword...

fuck i can go on and on...

[safe meteor]

best Aux gun for Azuma?

[zenith tundra]

either single 138.6mm for dmg or twin 127 for aa

[safe meteor]

twin 127 better than 100mm for AA

[zenith tundra]

i would use he guns on azuma at least past dev 25 since she almost always gets to backlines so u don't want normal ammo

[safe meteor]

ok

[elfin summit]

someone asked for Famine

[eager cedar]

[sterile bluff]

wow finally a namryuu

on my server u don't see those often for some reason

[marsh bane]

Famine

[sour oasis]

I see some Nagato Amagi Hiryu. (Heck, I use them on offense.) They don't work as well on defense. (But Warspite + Nagato more popular)

[sterile bluff]

nani?

thought namaryuu is best on def

[sour oasis]

Might be the ones I face, but their HP is low enough to get smacked quick by two barrages.

[hot creek]

youre going against shitty ones then

properly equipped namaryuu dont die so easily

[sterile bluff]

ye that sounds more like it

btw r G-412s good for ship bp?

like compared with Ds with not the face you want

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

It's a better refresh than q-3xx or q-2xx

not reliable imo

[sterile bluff]

but compared to Ds with not the face u want

should i do the D or the G-412

[shell heron]

depends on how bad the D is. If it's of a PR I really don't want for already maxed

then I skip

[hot creek]

lol how is it a better refresh than Q-3XX

its not. I always choose Q-3XX over G-412

[shell heron]

if I was low on coins I choose Q-3xx

or the chance of a random bp is nice

[hot creek]

I suppose its ok for someone who doesnt do cube research. G-412 is just incredibly mediocre overall though.

Even so though. I would still be choosing Q-3XX and just stick to face projects for bps if I couldnt use cubes.

[shell heron]

It's what ever I feel is more worth at the time

I will take almost all blue PR2 face Ds

[elder crane]

If you're looking for ship prints, G-412 is a better refresh yeah, you've basically paying 30 mins and 1.5k coins for a random ship print, which is a pretty good deal

[sterile bluff]

i think he means Q-3 is worse for ship bp

cuz Q-3 is awesome for gear

rn i only want ship bp

so therefore G-412 is better for ship bp

[hot creek]

The fact that its 30 mins more by definition does not make it a better "refresh" lol.

[elder crane]

well, you're basically getting a "1 H refresh" with a "30 min 1 print project" tacked on

which a "30 min 1 print project" is pretty good

[sterile bluff]

what im saying is

[elder crane]

yes, we are ignoring equip prints here

[sterile bluff]

since i only want ship bp and Q-3 doesn't give ship bp at all, it's better to choose G-412

[elder crane]

if you want those, then you spam Q for it

so it's not a matter of refresh anymore

[sterile bluff]

for me the extra 30min doesn't bother me

[elder crane]

It shouldn't bother you period then
again
the first hour would've been wasted for a Q project too, since it gives no ship prints
so the "extra 30 min" gives you a whole ship print on average
which is pretty good

[hot creek]

relative to an hour, 30 mins is a lot. I suppose I value the actual refreshing part of it more than the odd chance of a bp.

[sterile bluff]

i just want bp

me is desperate

[elder crane]

it's not "an odd chance at"

[sterile bluff]

wait is G-412 guaranteed 1 ship bp?

[elder crane]

it's on average 1.1 prints

[sterile bluff]

it's not right?

oh ok

1.1 that's pre good

[elder crane]

compared to taking a 1H Q project, ignoring equip prints, it's 30 mins and 1.5k coin for 1.1 ship prints
which is better rate than D projects

only cube projects that aren't H-207 beat that kind of rate

[sterile bluff]

so basically G-412 = taking a Q + a 30min 1.1 bp research

ignoring gear bps

[elder crane]

yep

[hot creek]

Honestly, after I found out people were only submitting "good" data to the archive. I stopped giving those numbers too much weight. Could probably lower those odds by like 20% and you get a more realistic number. Too many times where G-412 gives me literally nothing.

[elder crane]

data is mostly from the same like 5 people

[sterile bluff]

i mean... for me G-412s have been mediocre but it's definitely not bad

1.1 on average sounds very reasonable to me

[elder crane]

I'm more inclined to either think you've been unlucky, or it's memory bias

like when it seems that enemy Nagato always barrages more than yours does

[sterile bluff]

i chart down my progress to avoid memory bias

[elder crane]

I've done some testing, as have a few other people, and basically, as soon as you sit down to start a fresh round of runs to check on it, suddenly the barrage proc rate is the same
(within error ofc)

aka clearly just memory bias

[sterile bluff]

i don't have nagato

soooo... is 5bp/day on average for a specific non DR ship reasonable?

[elder crane]

if you partially spam cubes, yes

if you don't, glhf

[hot creek]

I sifted through my G-412 data. I'll concede, the general drop rate for a ship BP is decent.

[sterile bluff]

ok bluerendar wdym by spam cubes

like i can do about 4 Hs a day

the rest Ds and G-412s

is that enough to net me ~5/day?

[hot creek]

Though Im still choosing Q-3XX over it cause I value the refresh much more. Main goal is still fishing for DR face projects. My G-412 DR rates are trash

[sterile bluff]

i try to fish for the faces i want but i don't see how it's efficient

like

if u r focusing on a specific ship on average how many faces do u see per day?

cuz i barely get the faces i want 😦

[hot creek]

if you can afford 4 of those cube projects a day, that means 12 cubes a day, which is basically cube spam at that point.

[sterile bluff]

D:

the power of whaling

jk

i can't keep this up forever

gems will run out sooner or later

[zenith tundra]

at least al is safe with people wasting money

[sterile bluff]

im not wasting money D:

it's called

recharging

[zenith tundra]

if u get to the same point without whaling it's wasting money

[sterile bluff]

...

honestly it feels like it'll take forever to dev30 without Hs...

[zenith tundra]

but it's not my money and ur supporting al for me too so keep going

[sterile bluff]

bruh i barely even whale

XD

im just sad that gems r running out so i can't keep spamming Hs

but without Hs...

my bp rate will be like 1/5 of my original

[zenith tundra]

u have 1 year to finish dr. it's immature to just waste money to just flex/doing it faster when it doesn't even matter

[sterile bluff]

dude im not even on dr yet...

i need to catch up ffs

only doing pr1

haven't even started pr2

pr3 is about to come out...

[zenith tundra]

again why do u need to do pr1?

u don't get much if anything tbh

[sterile bluff]

[zenith tundra]

none of those are mandatory for anything

[sterile bluff]

...

but i want them

i need them

i need good ships D:

basically i just wanna catch up

[zenith tundra]

u are free to do whatever. having any of those ships doesn't matter

even pr2 barely matters for pvp

u can do all w13 auto without any pr ships as u can play pvp without any pr ships

[sterile bluff]

lol you can

can you do it well?

no

[ripe latch]

roon
good ship

[sterile bluff]

all im saying is i wanna catch up

u r a veteran so u don't know this feeling

[ripe latch]

porty kai > all pr1 ships

[sterile bluff]

[zenith tundra]

pr1 is meaningless for pvp anyway. why are u doing if u want to do pvp

[sterile bluff]

for pve

[zenith tundra]

not needed ever

[hot creek]

how to kill portland

[sterile bluff]

dude im not doing all pr1

relax

[zenith tundra]

again is ur money do whatever. but there is no point pretending that pr ships matter

[sterile bluff]

this isn't about money lol

so u expect a noob to come into a video game and skip all of the content that's been there fore the past years and just skip right to the current thing that's going on?

[hot creek]

all you need is Neptune. Nep is love Nep is life.

[sterile bluff]

nep is flatest in pr1 tho...

[zenith tundra]

research is different from anything since it takes time if u focus resources in it to just gain more ships u can just wait for events

[hot creek]

Nep is nowhere near flat chested.

[sterile bluff]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

🤔

[zenith tundra]

u don't need to waste resources on bps to lewd neptune

[sterile bluff]

...

what is there to lewd?

[zenith tundra]

just farm 3m xp and some bps, gold and cubes and u have ur ~~ useless ~~ waifu

[sterile bluff]

she's useless o_O

rip

[hot creek]

Nah. Still serviceable in pvp on EN until Dev 25+ Azumas become more common.

Also amazing in pve

[zenith tundra]

dev 0 she would be useless

[hot creek]

Monarch Neptune 1:1 can just turn your brain off and auto any highlevel pve content ez

[sterile bluff]

i just wanna catch up to all the zoomers out there

[ripe latch]

nep on 25-30 dev + oath + QE buff + juneau and she works

[hot creek]

well any ship dev 0 is useless whats your point

[sterile bluff]

imagine lv 120 dev0

[zenith tundra]

well if u want a waifu u don't need bps

if u want a ship just get noshiro instead she costs less

[sterile bluff]

but that's the problem...

[ripe latch]

imagine

[sterile bluff]

i don't have noshiro

[hot creek]

if doing things for "waifu purposes" you're supposed to do everything to max her out and find any excuse to use her lol.

man i wish there was luck modding in this game.

[zenith tundra]

using bad ships only because their cg looks good is dumb imo

[ripe latch]

♿ pvp veterans

[sterile bluff]

nep is bad confirmed

[zenith tundra]

it's more of a waifu talk not related to neptune

like i like isuzu skin but why invest time in a ship that is just bad

[coral wren]

Man, I need so many more BPs

[sterile bluff]

no I

[coral wren]

I've got a 16 Monarch and an 18 Saint Louis and that's it

[sterile bluff]

get ibuki

research is literally dropping for all the ships i don't want XD

got so many izumo bps today

[hot creek]

People can have fun not playing optimally. Especially if its for a ship they like. Plus theres the challenge aspect.

[jagged steppe]

asdasd

[zenith tundra]

so people are just masochists that like to fap at anime girls...

cool

[sterile bluff]

can we get a pin on that?

[coral wren]

I'm working on Seattle now

Oh, pvp planes get 4x hp, wtf

[hot creek]

lets not pin every little dumb meme we see, thanks.

[sterile bluff]

i don't feel the urge to grind PRs till i at least have like 200bps

he speaks the truth tho

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra have any idea for kita build? just using rainbow + ihr , but hp.. still boiler + toolbox?

[coral wren]

I have 90 wildcard bps but I feel like I should save them

[sterile bluff]

pr1 or 2?

[coral wren]

95 pr1, 30 pr2

[zenith tundra]

i would guess boiler rudder tbh but all i know is that her 0 luck and no good skill for pvp makes her pretty bad

[sterile bluff]

dump ur pr1s on monarch, and pr2 non DRs into georgia

unless u r into any other waifus

in which case ur taste sucks