Nah
#pvp
frail orbit
457 reserved for Wakai
Also no personal thang ya know
Just my preferences for moar volume
sterile bluff
I still want a legit gun tho XD
zenith tundra
that gun is ap so it's worthless in any possible way
at least twin 381 can set fires
sterile bluff
i mean unless it fired like 5 times a second XD
elder crane
triple 283 wishes it was AP
it's normal ammo
in any case, the issue with not running Nagato is that you have 3 other IJN on the team, and Nagato buff is yuuuuuge
elder crane
it's the shitty german gun
it's like 1 s faster than hood gun and half the damage
🚮
waaaay back when, it used to be HE, and was too good apparently 
so it got nerfed
zenith tundra
from good to worthless. that's a nerf for sure
elder crane
Also
Hiryuu with VF-17/APCuda/Cuda + beacon
zoom zoom
19 s launch time 
zenith tundra
and btw wtf is the ca gun ap and the bb gun normal... nice meme
elder crane
if the CA gun was HE it might have been decent 
zenith tundra
just because those 2 ships that use it have hunter skill against light armor stuff
elder crane
actually no, much more than decent, since it has the usual CA AP higher stats (cause CA AP armor mods are overall worse)
It has the same base stats of Azuma gun more or less, but reloads almost 2 s faster
zenith tundra
not that azuma gun is a masterpiece without azuma boosting the hell out of it
elder crane
well
it... kinda is fine?
stat-wise compared to CA HE guns, although it has nearly twice the load time, it does nearly twice the damage per salvo too
and has splash
it's more that Azuma main gun effs are 🚮
and it's only her massive FP and her boost with the 305 that makes her shelling good
100% main gun eff 
vague token
i mean the main thing is arcing
just skip shields in pve
if the 283 was he it might make the sharks usable
cant have that
=/
retro when
zenith tundra
not every single bad ship needs a retro
sterile bluff
QE retro when
zenith tundra
stupid devs retroing bad stuff like ws and sandy makes everyone think that every bad ship now will be retro just because is trash
same with qe and printz. they don't need retro when there are way worse ships out there
sterile bluff
"retroing bad stuff" ws is bad? 
zenith tundra
pre retro ws is a waste of oil in pve
sterile bluff
zenith tundra
u can use hyuuga and does more then her
zenith tundra
and for 2 less oil
sterile bluff
if u said ws isn't that good for pvp preretro then i would understand
vague token
i mean the whole point of retroing thematically is to take bad ships and make them better
sterile bluff
but for pve she's rly good preretro
zenith tundra
sure but there was no reason to retro sandy and ws specifically as there was no reason to release fdg azuma and amagi
sterile bluff
only missing the last 2 nodes 
zenith tundra
literally most boring and stupidly overpowered ship in the game for no reason
sterile bluff
which one?
zenith tundra
ws
vague token
to be fair at least ws enables multiple compositions in pvp
instead of namaryuu master race
instead of 3 locked in ships
we have 1 maybe
ripe latch
but most boring ship on pvp - juneau 
vague token
so even though she's so strong, she actually opens things up more than any other ship
zenith tundra
i'd rather have intrepid being overpowered in some way then ws. at least she does something else then a broken 130% boost
sterile bluff
bro!
zenith tundra
it enables even less comps tbh
vague token
armor break on all ships when
sterile bluff
she's not -_-
vague token
i mean PoW is outdated
literally KGV without a gun skill
i still think they should have updated her to have the gun skill
zenith tundra
any comp that doesn't have a tank is literally unviable because of her in pvp
sterile bluff
at least i have her halfkaied, she's just missing the last 2 nodes
elder crane
HK is a diff story
zenith tundra
idk how u consider that viability
vague token
yeah, so we have 2 tank options
elder crane
WS HK in PvE is on the pretty decent/good side
vague token
maybe more
elder crane
but no retro at all, she was 🚮
vague token
that is more than namaryuu
zenith tundra
and ws being better then pow doesn't mean she is better then hyuuga that costs 2 less oil
elder crane
that was the point
she was arguably better than PoW, and that's it
bottom tier of the gold BBs
zenith tundra
she literally forces u to run either fdg or hiryuu how is that diversity?
elder crane
(or own WS)
vague token
that is 2x more diverse than namaryuu
so
yeah
or you can try a heavy armor cv with shell reduction or dr
or ws/double cv
elder crane
Amagi was a mistake
that bump in power level has been ruining PvP ever since
elder crane
pre-Amagi the toptier meta was actually pretty diverse
vague token
i still hate suicide meta
elder crane
well, for CN at least
zenith tundra
u don't need ws to do 130% bonus dmg for no reason
vague token
oh sure
they could have reduced her spread more instead
make her shelling focused or something
elder crane
wait, anyone else can't emote right now?
elder crane
no, try emote on a cooment
zenith tundra
there is no other ship in the game that gets a bonus even remotely close to 130%
elder crane
wtf did I get emote-banned?
elder crane
oh just lag it seems
zenith tundra
because of yukikaze ofc
elder crane
tbf vanguard has gotten enough OP options now that it is kinda starting to be diverse
vague token
it could be +50% lol
elder crane
zenith tundra
if they didn't make amagi that was a mistake there would be no reason for ws to even exist
elder crane
and Hiryuu kai
zenith tundra
and rn without amagi but with ws retro u would just pray ur comp doesn't die in 15s
elder crane
can you imagine that she was actually nerfed before release?
elder crane
devs being devs as usual 
vague token
"lets give intrepid armor break"
so why would i use her over the ap cuda
which works on any armor
zenith tundra
ap cudas are still a meme tho
vague token
of course
but at least they have 480 crash
because cuda chassis
and it's faster than reppuu
so on formidable i can use that in the flex
xD
vague token
im training taihou now to try double heavy cvs
zenith tundra
u wouldn't run ap cudas on hiryuu unless u want to meme
vague token
move avenger to taihou for that sweet 140 efficiency
elder crane
VF-17/APcuda/Cuda+beacon 
19 s launch time on Hiryuu
that's centaur levels
vague token
then go to double cuda on formidable
zenith tundra
the dps loss against main fleet is too big once vg is dead
elder crane
Well, it actually pairs pretty nice with my Noshio/Azuma/Ibuki
zenith tundra
do u even need anything else for azuma noshiro ibuki to win vg?
elder crane
Oh, it's for winning the Hiryuu duel at end cause speed
that's the usual issue with torpmemes offense
damn Hiryuu
zenith tundra
there is no hiryuu duel with yukikaze around in the 1st place
vague token
i mean hiryuu is the anti frontloaded damage strategy
vague token
was why i used her back in fox days
pre-retro
bad vs wasda
but good against fox/amagi
zenith tundra
amagi is the only actual counter to damage. hiryuu alone would melt too fast
elder crane
it's actually good vs WaSDA
elder crane
Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood murdered WaSDA
zenith tundra
wasda had no damage
elder crane
which was quite the surprise to me
vague token
i liked CAs during 110
zenith tundra
u cannot use right click to add reactions
elder crane
only on you
vague token
elder crane
the heck
zenith tundra
lol?
vague token
temporal
elder crane
vague token
the block through space and time
zenith tundra
try now
elder crane
Yep
vague token
zenith tundra
that a cool thing to know. if u cannot add reactions is because of block
vague token
i cant believe someone would block blue
elder crane
Anyways, Hiryuu/Amagi was actually inconsistent vs foxes at lv100, as Zack said
vague token
oh, i only did it at 110
silent ocean
so if one doesnt have any pr ships nor a retro wp what is good for pvp dont have amagi either
vague token
i didnt know what i was doing during 100 days
elder crane
I am hipster it seems
vague token
hms is the best no-pr no retro right?
elder crane
FC if you can, yep
vague token
or just use leveled stuff
zenith tundra
formi was before ws retro
zenith tundra
so no formi most likely
vague token
zenith tundra
hiryuu enty and someone. i tbh have no fucking clue for 3rd....
elder crane
idk what you can do then
maybe Suruga+Bunnies?
or just standard HMS
vague token
you'll have to reset a lot on meta defense
but on the rest suruga/rabbits should be fine
zenith tundra
rabbits are really squishy by hp alone like worse then foxes
vague token
use sara? xD
elder crane
Hence Suruga to help out a bit
vague token
zenith tundra
would u have enough dmg to kill stuff tho?
elder crane
should be enough to make Hiryuu viable
problem is if Souryuu is worth running at all
Or Suruga for that matter
zenith tundra
i can actually test that
elder crane
Well, Hiryuu/Souryuu damage should be okay
silent ocean
using what i ahve leveled which is rossia lead enterprise and long island and vanguard is belfast yuki portland all 110ish and hms? i do have hiryuu but just recently got her so shes still low
elder crane
I don't have Souryuu leveled, so can't test that
if you aren't lv 110+, just run what you have leveled
vague token
with no nagato i usually have suruga around 15k with triple 381
silent ocean
kk
elder crane
meta won't make up for 10+ levels of deficit
vague token
although that's with triple bb
zenith tundra
my list is trash... the testing has to happen another time...
silent ocean
kk ty
elder crane
yeah, early season is
zenith tundra
1.3k still early season somehow
elder crane
can't reliably find anyone decent to test vs
well, first like 9 days of the season is all "early" really
and we're only, what, 7 full days in for JP?
zenith tundra
i can try against a nakaga but that matters 0 as a test
elder crane
anyways, up to then, even if you find a good fleet in ship selection, there's good chance equip is pepega
well, if can't beat Nakaga, 🚮
zenith tundra
that's 1 way to look at it
noshi yuki juneau vg? most likely
or belfast instead of 1
elder crane
Juneau Noshi Yuki for sure, unless you want to go torpmemes, but I don't think he has a dev30 Ibuki yet so
Might be worth trying out Noshi Aurora Yuki regardless, since you can at least try to highroll vs stronger teams
vague token
lul
elder crane
if it can't beat that team, 🚮
zenith tundra
sterile bluff
o_O
zenith tundra
u win because hiryuu final counter but...
sterile bluff
why suruga?
zenith tundra
testing a comp without ws retro and formi and amagi and nagato
zenith tundra
souryuu is really frail. like with just 1 nagato barrage she is like half death
sterile bluff
but don't they get massive dmg with the buff and their stats?
zenith tundra
dmg doesn't protect u from damage
zenith tundra
u don't kill foxes with cv with speed
zenith tundra
hiryuu wins that by herself just because she is a counter
without her skill it wouldn't be consistent at all
1 nagato barrage and ur comp is doomed especially if it hits vg
i tested a bit amagi bunnies a while ago but it's not consistent at all against strong defense. suruga doesn't feel much better tbh
ripe latch
but flood damage soryuu and hiryuu too low
vague token
maybe suruga isnt suited for bunnies
zenith tundra
suruga cannot help a cv with 5.5k hp
(souryuu without oath)
and even hiryuu base hp maxed is still under 6k
zenith tundra
i'm testing that using rudder on both
ripe latch
on washi see one man , he used vh + ihr on hiryu,ihr+catapulte on soury . maybe this works?
ripe latch
using noshiro on def looks like meme 
zenith tundra
i won all the matches against nakaga ofc but i think there is no way it would actually beat a namaryuu
u miss 1 0
need 1m
not 100k
tough dirge
for
zenith tundra
tough dirge
is there a new super secret dr ijn ship
zenith tundra
use merit for purins as normal people do
tough dirge
but i got more purins than bulins
zenith tundra
that was stella account not mine btw
this is mine
why even save merit... not like the shop will improve
tough dirge
reverse flex
vague token
even if the shop improves, they would just add a new currency xD
zenith tundra
that shop is a lost cause. it's only for purins
tough dirge
bc never get purins in the shop
same goes for warspite in exchange
literally havent seen her since i started playing AL
now finally got her so time to rt
ripe latch
better add sandy to pvp shop
sterile bluff
im lv80
and im the biggest boomer
to ever walk AL
amagi when 
once i have amagi ill stop being a boomer
when was ce?
D:
sterile bluff
ok which node does ws get the 25 hit? I can't find it anywhere
vague token
check modernization
sterile bluff
hmm doesn't say
sterile bluff
can someone explain to me how intrepid's barrage is so bad? I calculated it and it does about the same as essex's if we ignore flood
intrepid against heavy:
1140 * 1.25 * (430+315+100)/100
- 1320 * 1.1 * (430+315+100)/100
= 24310.65
essex against heavy:
2408 * 1.3 * (433+315+100)/100
= 26545.792
and essex is 8 spread out torps which is a lot less reliable than bombs
tranquil dock
which gun for warspite pvp? 🤔 purple 406mk6 or triple 381 prototype?
cant decide rly
zenith tundra
any ideas what to test against this
sterile bluff
namaspite?
namaryuu?
hms?
any other metas u could think of?
oh wait hold on u have dev30 fdg in jp don't u?
elfin summit
zenith tundra
wfc that's interesting
elder crane
@sterile bluff
Basically, no flood
Essex has a 5-tick flood of 0.3 coefficient, which is 150% of her torpedo damage.....
except:
zenith tundra
elder crane
it ignores PvP damage reduction for main fleet
which is a 1.25x effectively
and then it also ignores AA
which is a 3-5x basically
elder crane
basically it's like landing another 5-9 torpedos
elfin summit
to reset
elder crane
cut off wifi allows you to go all the way to end of battle
no risk of "whoops I won/lost"
and "wow, this is super close, how do I call it"
elfin summit
oh
now I see it still playing on background
wonder if it's possible on Nox somehow
elder crane
So yeah, given that the flood on Essex's barrage is more important than the base damage itself, Intrepid is a lot worse
you give up something like, what, 4k extra damage? in exchange for.... an armor break on BB/C only
zenith tundra
@elfin summit on emu u have to disable ur internet connection from the adapter or u can just dc router from network but it takes a lot to reconnect for me
elfin summit
same, so I wonder if it's possible with nox own means
I guess I can cut it somehow in my av
zenith tundra
idk about that tbh i tried searching for a way but it's much easier to do on phone
it just removes any confirmation bias there might be this way
cudas ryuusei combo not kiling vg... what do i do? losing vg is not fun
elfin summit
they hit after stun come off?
sterile bluff
@elder crane i never knew how to calculate flood dmg, didn't realize Essex's flood was that OP
like more OP than the barrage itself lol
thought it was just a supplementary dmg
zenith tundra
it's hard for formi to hit on her own slow. even avi gas doesn't help make it in time
elfin summit
oof
zenith tundra
i just tested using wfc
zenith tundra
1 loss was random formi death way too early and the other was weird vg placement in airstrike so ended up not doing much to it
sterile bluff
smh CVs amirite?
zenith tundra
elder crane
Yeah, Essex flood is 
4 (<- due to bug? not sure if still present, 5 otherwise) 900 damage ticks that ignore all your damage reduction
sterile bluff
@elder crane in pvp?
shit that is pretty good
that's like what? a ws first barrage shell already
each time she launches
elder crane
Yeah, problem is she's a standard CV in the current meta aside from that and therefore isn't OP enough (RIP CVs in general and RIP USN so her protection skill isn't relevant)
She was toptier in CN pre-amagi though, as one of the better flex slot options for WaSD
sterile bluff
but is the 5 x 900 per torpedo or always just that much against a target?
elder crane
if it lands, that's how much it does
sterile bluff
oh ok
elder crane
*over 15 s
zenith tundra
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Pl8WGDVYQ
last attempt hiryuu soloing all oponent backlines by herself
elder crane
that's another part of it
it's slooooooow
elder crane
in PvP? it matters a lot
elder crane
in 35 s the battle has been decided usually
which by 35 s Essex hasn't even gotten the last tick of the flood of first strike in yet
it's like the opposite of Foxes
and the flood on second strike ticks to like 1 min
which, like
most matches are over by 1 min 
sterile bluff
rip
at least she good in pve
and in bed
Essex event when? D:
damn zack dat hiryuu is op tho
zenith tundra
forgot to do equip on namaryuu but it's beaver rudder amagi. 406 nagato and vh rudder hiryuu
zenith tundra
yeah fdg gun on nagato
vh is the item that makes u heavy armor and a whole 650 hp
sterile bluff
holy fuck...
namaryuu is insane
but hiryuu on that last fight tho...
jesus
carried everyone's ass
#clutchjesus
zenith tundra
backlines talk and looks who mvp that in mirror namagi fdg
sterile bluff
so namaryuu is still best fleet huh?
zenith tundra
u can most likely mirror that more easily and ws amagi fdg should be able to easily beat that
namaryuu still consistent enough to be at least t0.5 even with fdg around
but i think it's more azuma reliant then other comps
sterile bluff
what would u say is the best offensive comp so far?
zenith tundra
i'm like 99% sure it's amagi fdg ws
sterile bluff
second?
zenith tundra
namagi fdg>namaryuu>=namagi ws
zenith tundra
<@&472236072743600148> can i get a pin on that?
frigid flax
zenith tundra
thank you
humble cairn
@zenith tundra I find it interesting that you turn off your WiFi near the end of a match, I’m assuming that if you turn it back on the whole thing will just play out normally right?
zenith tundra
it's mostly so u eliminate confirmation bias of results in fights
ending early also can be risky is u wait too much
and i wanted to keep testing against that comp
vague token
until we get true test mode or friend battle, toggling wifi is the only way to be sure you win/lose
especially in final counter fights
humble cairn
That’s really interesting, I might try that out on my own to test some pvp combinations as well.
vague token
i dont think it works on mobile though cause it'll just swap to data or complain about dc
at least it does for me
xD
zenith tundra
that's what happens in my test
i'd take the not connected screen over risking an unwanted win/lost and avoiding any doubts of the result
humble cairn
Huh, well good luck dude. Hope the tests go well 
zenith tundra
i just need to find good comps tbh. those are really rare
zenith tundra
top 100 already 
shell heron
You had some good luck this season
Even if I didn't lose that 1 match. I'll still be 7 down
zenith tundra
my early was quite bad tho
it's really just that 1 reset where i got 5 bonuses that was good
vague token
didnt you have 149? xD
shell heron
Define bad. I gotten 1 or 2 bonus matches every reset
zenith tundra
i mean till like ~800 pts i was -14 behind actual good scores i got in jp
shell heron
Other than 1st reset and the 2 decent ones. But the 2 good ones were just +1s
Could it be JP is more active than EN 
zenith tundra
maybe on average yes. but last season my score was around those scores
shell heron
Still gonna see how much I can recover. Not that far down that I'm stuck with actual casuals
You're gonna have a hard time getting bonuses that high up
zenith tundra
i always try to get as many bonuses as i can so if i'm behind it's normal that i think it's not a good season
shell heron
Week 2 top 100 already is already very good.
zenith tundra
u mean week 1 but yeah i guess so. never payed attention to it
whole terrace
RIP my full HMS dream team
It didn’t have good enough win rates to clear 5 teams in 25 minutes. Not without a lucky refresh into a meme team a minute before the refresh
Back to being a meta slave
forest lake
proper sorrel
oh god formidable almost beat my saratoga
ripe latch
jagged steppe
why gameplay help got lockdown?
mellow lantern
Spammers raiding the server
meager dawn
You mean every public channel
jagged steppe
oh ok
is it worth doing gold cube research?
the gold research that cost 10goldcube?
meager dawn
Nah, unless you're a whale
jagged steppe
but I want 457fast
vale rapids
3 cubes is fine, 6 cubes is decent, reesearch that take both cubes + coin is worth
And 10 cubes research give you shit
If you want 457 fast, 10 cubes research doesnt even give you shit
jagged steppe
ok
zenith tundra
cubes are bad for equip
gleaming crest
#pvp temporarily becomes #gameplay-help 
zenith tundra
...
vale rapids
Its fine, cuz pvp is still game play
jagged steppe
gleaming crest
zenith tundra
jagged steppe
research for eq is also pvp
pr ship is also pvp
lvling ship in normal map is also pvp
farming part in normal map to upgrade eq for pvp is also pvp
midnight heron
life is also pvp
jagged steppe
yes
karmic forum
#bot-spam got locked down because of bot spam
midnight heron
funny bots dont atk here
jagged steppe
they dont even know this ch exists
midnight heron
zenith tundra
bots would need to do /koin pvp before attacking this channel. too much coding
jagged steppe
@zenith tundra gold berracuda 480 base crash dmg x2 plane on 700 avi = 7680 damage right?
and vt 18 300 crash dmg and that time I use homing beacon 650 avi = 4500 crash dmg
zenith tundra
almost 8k suicide dmg would make foxes literally gods
the formula is weird on wiki. i tried using it too and i made a remark in #wiki-feedback
jagged steppe
I should try essex intrepid enterprise
triple gold berracuda
with aurura
aurora
zenith tundra
i think u can ignore the shiplevel/2 part for sure since it makes no sens but i would wait for a better formula to be updated
zenith tundra
someone datamimed it but datamine is also refering to other stuff so it's not straight calculations
jagged steppe
reno supposed to deal decent damage againts cl/dd isn't she?
I think I might build this fleet
lapis bolt
:^) If you give Intrepid VT-18, she will also inflict flooding :^)))
zenith tundra
umless u know what all the part of the formula refer to
lapis bolt
Why would you use triple CV....
jagged steppe
triple crash dmg
zenith tundra
people just don't like meta stuff. everyone thinking they can find stuff that works that others didn't try yet
lapis bolt
oof, but only if your CV can launch faster than warkai's 10s barrage
jagged steppe
^
lapis bolt
It's fine not to like meta, but only if you understand what you are mostly up against
I used to run non-meta fleets like taihou rng etc
there was a period of time I tried to make prinz super fucking tanky
but yeah, doesn't really work too well
elder crane
you forgot AA
the suicide numbers are correct, but it's reduced by AA after that
even IJN cuts that to 1/3
zenith tundra
do u have any sources from cn about the formula?
elder crane
Suicide?
it works as that
EN literally rips the combat page straight out of CN wiki
it works like aviation damage minus ignoring slot effs
zenith tundra
can u explain that part
because a 60 modifier is literally dumb
especially when it's added to a 6.xx of avi scaling
jagged steppe
crash damage reduce by AA?
zenith tundra
yeah it is
elder crane
yes
jagged steppe
.
elder crane
and yeah, that seems
lemme check
zenith tundra
less
jagged steppe
I mean
zenith tundra
jagged steppe
how is my aa involving enemy air damage reistance
elder crane
loooool
it's
(equip damageX AP mod + level/2)
zenith tundra
check that it's the 1st thing
zenith tundra
ok makes more sense
jagged steppe
elder crane
I remember that now
and it basically doesn't matter
jagged steppe
so can it increase by helena?
elder crane
when you're doing 200*7=1400 crash already, even on a DB/fighter
60 is 
yes, it acts like any other damage
basically it acts like all other aviation damage, except there's no slot efficiency mod and there's no evasion check
zenith tundra
the difference is 965 vs 1616 crash dmg in between vt-18 and cudas on 200 aa target
jagged steppe
per plane?
zenith tundra
for the testing u did
zenith tundra
with vt-18 and beacon av gas it's 618 crash dmg on 260 aa
with cudas and cata av gas it's 1034 crash dmg on 260 aa
for what u were testing @jagged steppe
i don't see how 800 crash dmg, 1.2k with helena debuff, should make such a big difference in damage.
jagged steppe
oh ok
but in my case it could trigger enemy hiryuu final counter
cuz my fleet had qe that do garbage dmg
zenith tundra
again vt-18 should hit for like 25% more dmg on vg and around 30% more on bb/c/v
jagged steppe
ok
zenith tundra
it's something about timing or specific that happened in that fight
that's why i don't think it's just because of crash dmg difference
zenith tundra
u are using enty and?
zenith tundra
why don't u use hood instead of qe
jagged steppe
i feels like hood dmg still low and not worth my time lvling her I want something that deal more dmg like centaur
zenith tundra
hood is much more worth leveling then qe
at this point u might want to wait for amagi return if u really don't want to level up hood
jagged steppe
^
zenith tundra
but i'll tell u now... amagi dmg without nagato isn't spectacular.
she will just make it harder for opponents to kill ur fleet
jagged steppe
any ship deal dmg like warspite or enty that doesn't need buff or care anybuff?
I need like 3 warspite
ripe latch
lapis bolt
Amagi's main damage is based off her barrage, anyway
If you're using Amagi, you want her to fire fast
zenith tundra
yeah but that is hard to do in any non nagato teams
unless u use hiryuu instead of enty
elder crane
Yes, SkillBonus is where the -20% PvP debuff to CVs applies as well
or wait
does that even apply to crash damage?
jagged steppe
elder crane
Well, for not-crash-damage (bombs and torps) Enty skill proc goes from 80% -> 180% modifier there
jagged steppe
oh
sterile bluff
Hmm thought 406skc is best cuz after her barrage kills whoever is opposite of her she can still shell
zenith tundra
have u look at my testing and amagi surviving like 30+ sec before u can even kill her...
if u think u will just 1 barrage something to death then the opponent is trash and doesn't matter what u use
killing 1 opponent backline fast is more important the dps when u already are in an advantage
jagged steppe
bursting fast most of the time better because enemy cant do dps after they die
sterile bluff
im not saying u can one barrage kill amagi lol
but like
after u barrage kill the backliner opposite of u
u r probably still alive for a bit
and might still have time to fire a few salvos
if u use hood gun u r kind of useless after u barrage kill that one backliner
ok i mean not useless but
u get more shelling with skc is all im saying
sour oasis
Geez. Avrora server has a huge jam from about 1000 to about 1800. I've waited on players to jump 400 spots, but the point differential was just 10. (Beating them gave me almost the same rank and no bonus ladder points.)
shell heron
we're at the stage where 400 might not be enough for a bonus point.
If I was still rank 1000. I'm looking for 300 or higher
eager cedar
Avrora is rather interesting right now
marsh bane
why
jagged steppe
proper sorrel
nooo saratoga
sterile bluff
wait wtf
i have several disagreements about that tierlist...
also where tf is I-19
sour oasis
I think this is just CL CA and backline. Otherwise Grenville would also be up there with Cygnet Portland Nachi... Wait, how are they even measuring this again?
sterile bluff
how tf is chappy not EX
why is graf up there o_O
also if fdg is EX azuma should also be EX
and im pretty sure lusty has the biggest tits in the game judging by her dialogues
also judging by this official art amagi is actually massive
like massive o_O
i need amagi
shit... just realized... monarch isn't on there
i demand justice
ashen dome
unless u use ws reto just use he and if u have ws retro use ap on her
@zenith tundra my back line is ws retro monarch centaur
So i should use the triple ap gun on monarch?
sterile bluff
why do u want slow gun on monarch?
zenith tundra
twin 380 is a bad gun don't use it. u want either twin 381 or twin 406 on monarch and tiple 410 on ws
zenith tundra
the 10% extra fp from centaur is not worth slowing down monarch. she needs to use her barrage to deal dmg. u can use that bonus on ws tho. centaur in that comp is more to solve hms problems with vg when u use 3 bb
sterile bluff
nah that is @ionic magnet it's on the wiki
ionic magnet
ah no i meant something else when i said official
sterile bluff
o_O
ashen dome
the 10% extra fp from centaur is not worth slowing down monarch. she needs to use her barrage to deal dmg. u can use that bonus on ws tho. centaur in that comp is more to solve hms problems with vg when u use 3 bb
@zenith tundra actually I dont use any hms vg, my vg is juneau noshi yuki
zenith tundra
its about vg ships its about hms bb. they have 0 vg impact in most cases
ashen dome
I use centaur in hope that she will help me kill enemy bb faster than using enty
sour oasis
vague token
i got 2nd place, if only i wasnt down 4 xD
shell heron
you're too far up 
zenith tundra
people can still use their 5 attempts instead of being dead
shell heron
how did you end with a dead list? unless you refreshed
zenith tundra
that's the list i got from last reset
zenith tundra
next reset
forest lake
Me everyday
empty grove
Rush time
forest lake
empty grove
shell heron
15 dailies before reset. Easy
shell heron
No way to speed it up. If you're lucky, you can save 2 seconds
zenith tundra
my list is 100% dead no one moved at all
shell heron
Book and plate daily is forced. Always liked box more. Can speed it up with more ships
Your first dead list of the season. At least its only now
zenith tundra
i rushed too early somehow. got 2 stupid meme comps died in 10s
last reset
3 pts behind famine and somehow i'm the one that gets dead lists
hot creek
comparing oneself to a pro-gamer sandbagger will only result in disappointment
jagged steppe
just play 3 account and late into season you use other 2 account feeding your rank@
!!
frail orbit
🧠
tranquil hedge
is Hyuuga retrofit generally a better choice for PVP than Enterprise?
upper sparrow
smoky elk
marsh bane
zenith tundra
@tranquil hedge no. hyuuga retro isn't that good for pvp. even with 3 bb backline to make use of her buff there is no reason to use her over enty
shelling bb tend to miss to much dmg and she only has 2 salvos which is even worse
tranquil hedge
thanks for the answer
frigid root
Best PvP guides?
zenith tundra
what kind of guide u need?
for what purpose better said
a lot of the general info can be found on the wiki page
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise
if u need a comp/equipment guide there is a tierlist pinned
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=2106096274
for other stuff u can ask in this channel
ornate river
i use hyuuga as the ship that warspite goes ham on while hyuuga and amagi on my side double team warspite
shy hazel
zenith tundra
shell heron
marsh bane
ripe latch
karmic forum
Join me at rank 1 then
zenith tundra
what did u lose to this time...
sterile bluff
(insert hiryuu emote here)
elfin summit
🐰
sterile bluff
LOL
karmic forum
🐰 🐲
sterile bluff
so we need to decide which rabbit is souryuu and which is hiryuu
elfin summit
still wonder why they're rabbits tho
karmic forum
🐰 🐉 👓 is souryuu
elfin summit
so we need to decide which rabbit is souryuu and which is hiryuu
finally, decent mistery to solve
with Ryuujou being very proper dragon
so it's not like "pfffff no wai dragons being this cute as bunnies"
zenith tundra
karmic forum
Using best ykkz skin I see
zenith tundra
i actually prefer her last but stella doesn't have it
karmic forum
I can't really justify buying another skin for a ship.
zenith tundra
shell heron
Was trying to do 4 things at once. Didn't help
vague token
i see cay has joined me
zenith tundra
time to trash ur comp already
shell heron
It usually works. Jusy keep hitting that 10% failure
Next season it is. Had a rough start anyways
sterile bluff
why is dev 30 so hard 
zenith tundra
endgame content has to be long since there is nothing to do othewise
sterile bluff
who decided that
shell heron
Nama+ws is trash now. I need fdg and azuma
sterile bluff
should i only do Hs?
karmic forum
Devs because they want people to keep playing their game most likely
vague token
namaspite 
shell heron
Depends. I always do DR ones.
karmic forum
I always take DR face over everything else
sterile bluff
i mean... if i don't get DR face
karmic forum
But thats also because I value my cubes too much to spam H all day
sterile bluff
gotta whale
shell heron
Nothing. I just hit some bad luck and lost to namaryuu twice.
zenith tundra
his vg gets melted by hiryuu too fast and then hiryuu can just murder backlines (at least this is my impression)
sterile bluff
i thought murdering backlines is ws' job
shell heron
Usually my vg survives. Minus unlucky nanoda
vague token
juneau/noshiro/ykkz doesnt die to hiryuu
you get plenty of aa there
they die to soaking a big seven
xD
shell heron
Thats prob it
sterile bluff
it's ok just restart
zenith tundra
ok that makes more sense
zenith tundra
it's still his vg getting fucked... where is ur azuma?
against namaryuu i would use juneau mid on any comp tbh
i use juneau mid against namaryuu even with namagi fdg
it's the only comp that gives namagi fdg kind of a headache
zenith tundra
that cause u have almost 0 snipe potential and if yukikaze dies rip backlines
shell heron
lvl 115 dev20
zenith tundra
mine is 119 dev 20 on stella account and she does pretty well imo
shell heron
gonna swap over once she's more leveled
ripe latch
juneau die first on bb corp its...gg? 
shell heron
Juneau lead is weird. against HMS BBS she doesn't go down
zenith tundra
the only comp that hard punishes early juneau death is namaryuu tbh
shell heron
against Nagato barrage she melts pretty fast
zenith tundra
against ws u want her dying early
vague token
i have trouble getting juneau to sink before azuma cause not dev 25 so i still have her in front
gotta have dat vanguard shield
xD
sterile bluff
so do u put juneau in middle or... ?
zenith tundra
it happens to me too but i'd rather win backlines fight then keeping azuma when she is not that strong
ripe latch
114lvl
vague token
oh ok
sterile bluff
why is everyone namaspiting D:
ripe latch
but 114 noshiro strong..
zenith tundra
i don't...
shell heron
Why is it still hiryuu I have to watch out for. a match is almost guaranteed with anyone else within 20s
except her
ripe latch
buff + strong barrage + amagi def?
zenith tundra
vague token
imagine using namaspite
in a month ill have ws/formidable/taihou online
ill show them all
the power of heavy armor
ap dive bomber for big crash damage
zenith tundra
good luck trying to sync slow taihou with formi
ripe latch
Crashima
vague token
no need for syncing, only crash
sterile bluff
ok literally the top 8 on my server are all namaspiting except 2nd and 6th place who r namaryuuing
thought namaryuu was better...
shell heron
they just see it's t0 and assume it works
sterile bluff
namaryuu is also t0...
and is the first t0 on the tierlist XD
there's only like what... 3 t0s XD
wtf
sterile bluff
i just don't get why so many ppl r namaspiting if namaryuu is better
zenith tundra
as soon as the guide will be update with fdg and 457 none of the current t0 will be t0
zenith tundra
for defense namaryuu will force losses more then namaspite against meta teams
sterile bluff
offense?
shell heron
example: me
zenith tundra
....
sterile bluff
yea, pretty sure my bulin comp will win if i have good rng
midnight heron
well if u wanna take my words out of context so be it
zenith tundra
for some comps it is for others u can just offset rng
sterile bluff
but anyways, namaryuu or namaspite on offense?
zenith tundra
people prefer warspite because it's easier to deal with namaryuu then mirror is
karmic forum
I use namaryuu when levelling vanguard because of the safety
zenith tundra
nope
jagged steppe
hiryu
zenith tundra
never
jagged steppe
warspite always aim hiryuu first
if u have no vg and enemy hiryu alive
u gonna had a bad time
sterile bluff
but if u snipe hiryuu
zenith tundra
if u don't force final counter u pretty much lose to solo hiryuu
sterile bluff
all ur hms ships will waste their fire on an invincible hiryuu cuz of the marker
karmic forum
You want hiryuu to proc while your vanguard is still alive
shell heron
leaving hiryuu alive for too long gives her more value for that skill
zenith tundra
that's always an easy way to win with namaryuu offense too. u just don't want amagi dying way too early
sterile bluff
(cyaneko)
Anything capable of nearly one-tapping a ship from existence consistently is going to be meta-defining in one way or another, and Warspite's retrofit is an excellent example of this, her being ran even in
non-HMS fleets. Impressive initial nuke, when followed up by either Akaga airstrike or some focused shelling is able to outright delete an enemy backline ship from existence well before the battle even starts.
Her HMS buff that makes HMS BBs focus the target hit by her barrage only helps with this. She is your free ticket out of jail when it comes to fighting the dreaded Namaryuu - snipe Amagi and the rest will follow.
this came from the tierlist
read the bottom part
it's the review for ws
"She is your free ticket out of jail when it comes to fighting the dreaded Namaryuu - snipe Amagi and the rest will follow"
midnight heron
sometimes ppl place all their defensive gear on hiryuu so u waste ur snipes on her while their amagi is weak af
zenith tundra
gotta ask him to change his opinion then
sterile bluff
so u saying the tierlist is wrong?
cuz what he says makes sense
if u snipe hiryuu
zenith tundra
those are player opinions/descriptions
sterile bluff
all ur hms ships basically become useless for a while
karmic forum
Amagi won't deal that much damage to warkai
midnight heron
doesnt matter
it depends on wat gear ur opponent is using on whoever
there r times where they make their hiryuu tank af
karmic forum
You don't really have a way of know how their hiryuu is geared
midnight heron
dats y reset exist dude
karmic forum
But from experience I find the anti-ws build rare on defense
midnight heron
already met such a guy on lex
sterile bluff
but what im saying is even if u succeed in killing hiryuu with ws all ur hms ships will target that invincible hiryuu and waste all their shells, isn't that super bad?
zenith tundra
if u look at my test videos at the end u can see why hiryuu is so deadly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Pl8WGDVYQ
from 9:35
whole terrace
will i get a bonus point if the score difference is exactly 35
zenith tundra
yes
sterile bluff
can someone pls respond to my concern...
whole terrace
ty
zenith tundra
not all their shells
zenith tundra
only 1st salvo is guaranteed against target
sterile bluff
wut
midnight heron
r not affected
midnight heron
otherwise its kinda broken
zenith tundra
~~ so broken it can backfire ~~
midnight heron
u might as well remove juneau if all shells target the mark lul
sterile bluff
i didn't think it was guarantee i just thought it's highly likely that they target the mark
midnight heron
nah
zenith tundra
the 1st shell is always guaranteed the other might be affected by it's but definitely not 100%
untold wharf
they said that like 5x so far
zenith tundra
hms snipe also fails at killing amagi sometimes....
midnight heron
i already gave my thoughts on dat