As much as she's an AR only
#pvp
frail orbit
zenith tundra
sad to say seems that that team need azuma to work
anything else other then azuma in vg makes it way too easy to lose vg battle
frail orbit
^
zenith tundra
and then become food to hiryuu
whole terrace
I'm using full HMS all season, will tell u if I hit any brick walls
zenith tundra
i hit a wall as soon as i saw a good equipped namaryuu with azuma vg
lapis bolt
Actually
With Noshiro and Yukikaze, your VG should be stupidly tanky already
Furthermore, with stuff like Jesus-chan or Ibuki, you will be able to either sustain, or drop a ton of damage in just the starting wave
zenith tundra
idk but noshiro isn't that tanky against ships with luck and hit rating. she dies quite fast
lapis bolt
Ibuki is a CA, which means she can use a majority of the really high damaging CA guns which would literally rip apart anything from CL and below
Anything above CA gets destroyed by torpedos
So yes
This is how I can just AFK and don't bother with resets
zenith tundra
if the opponent doesn't use any speed aux u can actually land ca mg shoots
lapis bolt
Resetting is really a problem only when your VG is badly optimized
You will reach a threshold where your full team is doing so much damage, the defending team cannot overwhelm the 20% attacker's bonus DPS
This means, even if your opponent decides to do a mirror match, you will still defeat them quite easily
zenith tundra
not all comps can beat everything on defense. like nakaga can never win against hms with 457 ws defense because u lose a fox too early independent of what equip u put on them
frail orbit
Imagine
zenith tundra
and so goes for all comps that don't have a tank eventually
lapis bolt
You're not supposed to be using Nagato-Akagi-Kaga in the first place
frail orbit
Still believing 20% attacker bonus
lapis bolt
That comp is for pre-100 ranks
frail orbit
lapis bolt
frail orbit
zenith tundra
it's just a matte of time till people start using 457 of defense
lapis bolt
In the first place, you're not supposed to Nagaka if you want to be top100/ top10 
Nagaka is a good comp, but only when the majority of the players do not know how to counter it
It really doesn't apply to how AL is today
zenith tundra
it's not only top 100 that have good defensive comps. the strongest defense fleets i've ever meet were all outside of top 100. i myself use a strong defense even when i fall to 2k rank due to sandbagging
and hms is quite common tbh even if it isn't best comp
ripe latch
nakaga good comp
zenith tundra
namagi ws also doesn't actually have a tank and cannot consistently beat amagi ws fdg defense because u lose either ws or amagi early
lapis bolt
Or, alternatively, learn to slap hydraulics on all of your ships
Why the fuck are you tanking 18K damage barrages
whole terrace
This is the probably toughest comp I've faced since starting
zenith tundra
i tried using rudder vh on amagi and rudder sg on ws and u they still die
whole terrace
This was just under a month ago
frail orbit
Lul
IMAGINE
Actually using rudder on all
VGs too
TOPKEKS
U want MSPD on VG
Not extra evasion
Unless said VG is any CA/CB smhw
Even then MSPD being oh so important anyways
Which is why u put rudder gyro on Zoomer
lapis bolt
lapis bolt
I slapp music + vh on azuma
frail orbit
Depends on ur enemy
lapis bolt
frail orbit
Sure go ahead
zenith tundra
gyroscope is much better then boilers on azuma because of her huge hp pool and 0 luck she benefits more from hit then hp
ripe latch
2 gyro on azuma
gas gas gas
zenith tundra
2 luck doesn't mean much when yukikaze has 98
whole terrace
btw i meant that setup in particular, not just namaspite in general @lapis bolt
As u know most of them are straightforward, but occasionally u encounter someone who knows their sh*t and has perfect gear and it's completely different.
frail orbit
Also imagine
Still believing 20% extra attack on attacker
When all we got is just buff per hull class
zenith tundra
it's pinned if people want to read it...
lapis bolt
frail orbit
U are certainly too much of a joke for even a #pvp
Too much gameplay help shilling?
It's on pinned ya know
lapis bolt
no
frail orbit
Sure go ahead
lapis bolt
are you that person that blocks people for the smallest of shit, because I remember someone that was quite literally doing that in GPH
frail orbit
Nah
lapis bolt
I remember people warning me of that too
frail orbit
Am not one to block peeps
lapis bolt
Can't remember who that was
zenith tundra
i do block people that just meme around tbh even in gph
lapis bolt
It's not you because you don't play on JP
I know that guy specifically only plays on JP server
frail orbit
U meant rin?
lapis bolt
Is it Rin?
lapis bolt
Why is he even here anyway if he only plays in JP
zenith tundra
is there a rule that prevent players from other servers to join this discord?
the difference in between jp and en rn is really small
frail orbit
Nope anyway
lapis bolt
No, but there is a rule about being respectful to others, and repeatively flexing that JP is "Superior in comparison with EN" isn't very respectful for anybody
frail orbit
If u meant that guy who's flaunting that he's from JP
It's Rin
He's out from ALO ya know
zenith tundra
if he does that then the problem is personal with him not with everyone that doesn't play en
lapis bolt
We're talking about Rin, though
frail orbit
Yeah
But if it's a personal problems
Better not be here tho
Since we already know his nature
lapis bolt
Why would we fight
If there is evidence of such, is there a need to argue?
We are all humans, we make mistakes. If I am wrong, I'll just accept that I'm wrong and get over it lmao. Live and learn 
lapis bolt
zenith tundra
i'm at 103 cubes and i had 491 before event and we got a lot from compensation too. i'm close to 500 spent pretty much
shy hazel
sounds normal
i normally buy 300
and about 80k gold
if im despo
i wont now tho
theres still the mail
if u need
zenith tundra
........... there are 
shy hazel
just try till end if dont get then doesnt matter
means rather than lend
it will be sold
sterile bluff
we should be getting ce before wc right?
frail orbit
sterile bluff
elder crane
WC is being archived soon
We aren't getting a second run
The equipment is in core data shop already
marsh bane
Yeah that should be how it's gonna go for EN
Just like FW with CN (and probably also JP?)
sterile bluff
vague token
well with the ap dive i can use cuda on cuda action
and she can get 20% more vs bbs
maybe i should try taihou
sterile bluff
vague token
cause she'll add more planes
actually that is the better plan i should do that
better efficiencies too
sterile bluff
never thought i'd see taihou in pvp but 
zenith tundra
taihou was meta in pvp for a bit in jp from amagi release till hiryuu retro
elfin summit
why her retro happened to be so special? "Final Counter" was her natural skill for entire time
sterile bluff
cuz retro made the ship itself op
after retro she has one of the highest avi in the game
zenith tundra
it does give hiryuu a lot of stats
elfin summit
not like her stats being any outstanding later as well
elfin summit
oh is it? need to re-check sorry
zenith tundra
i think people just completely ignored her for pvp purposes
before retro
and in between amagi and hiryuu retro is like 1 month or so difference
so i guess few people even had chance to try her out in that setup
sterile bluff
weird
i always thought hiryuu was good
cuz i used her randomly when i was a total noob
and was like "oh shit!"
XD
fast storm
hiryuu is still good
sterile bluff
she is
zenith tundra
she is good is just that amagi made her much more viable then before
fast storm
ya
fast storm
yes
sterile bluff
okie
zenith tundra
before amagi it was harder to run let's say nagato bunnies (non retro) or nagato + hiryuu + x
sterile bluff
i always thought amagi works with anyone
cuz her buffs aren't ijn specific
she work well with not just hiryuu
fast storm
yea in pvp i dont use ijn specific people in main
zenith tundra
while jp had nagato for like 6-8 months already before amagi
fast storm
im sure they will come back
should work fine too
sterile bluff
ce better come back soon
but in the meantime
is da shit!
i feel so british now
ill go drink some bubbletea
fast storm
ah i remember using hood when AL first started out
sterile bluff
freaking hood! bro!
sterile bluff
monarch hood warspoot extreme HMS snipe
👌
but then i get killed by their vg
so...
elfin summit
BB should handle vg properly with aux guns tho
(I don't use x3 BB backline so don't know)
fast storm
sterile bluff
i mean...
fast storm
i use warspite kai, amagi and nagato
zenith tundra
it's more of a problem against cv since vg absorbs a lot of the cv dmg by not letting them drop bombs on main fleet
sterile bluff
their enty kills my vg in 0.0001 seconds and then they start raping my backline with almost max hp so
fast storm
hm maybe it depends on who youre fighting and your ships
sterile bluff
🔫
zenith tundra
also most bb used in pvp have mediocre aa since uss bb are hardly viable
fast storm
if your vg is strong enough it can take most of the damage
ripe latch
wow alabama on pvp
sterile bluff
should still be decently tanky tho
fast storm
i mean uss has BBs, not saying people use them in pvp lol
zenith tundra
alabama wouldn't even be that bad tbh. it's the lack of any good buff that hurts uss and ofc amagi being broken
fast storm
yup
sterile bluff
is amagi broken cuz of her barrage, her debuffs, or both?
sterile bluff
hold on i need to check her skills
zenith tundra
she is just broken that's it
ripe latch
yuki + amagi on any tank comp
sterile bluff
is it cuz of the avi buff she gives?
wait sry
i meant
eva
fkin hell
eva buff
cuz eva is valuable in main in pvp
fast storm
she buffs by 10%
sterile bluff
wait hold on
it's not eva it's eva rate
that's different right?
eva rate is better than just eva stat
zenith tundra
if u remove nagato from the picture she is mostly used for her buffs and debuffs
elfin summit
laughs in 0.001 fps
zenith tundra
yeah it's 10% evasion flat to everyone
fast storm
me in challenge mode
shell heron
What she provides is PR level utility. Without being PR 
zenith tundra
ur entire team also takes ~5% less dmg just from the stat debuff
shell heron
On top of evasion rate buff
zenith tundra
that was what cn wiki analysis said
zenith tundra
yeah
sterile bluff
okie
shell heron
Would be too good if it was whole fleet
sterile bluff
wait....
i gotta use 4 ijn ships to decrease first reload?
foc...
can't do monarch ws amagi then...
shell heron
4 total
sterile bluff
cuz vg can't be all ijn
shell heron
Just need 3 others
sterile bluff
i might need juneau or belfast
zenith tundra
don't really need to even bother with it tbh. if u consider that amagi ws fdg juneau yukikaze azuma is best comp possible u don't even get the cd reduction
sterile bluff
is the reload reduction valuable?
zenith tundra
it's really good if she has to carry with nagato
sterile bluff
like should i rly try to get it?
ripe latch
@zenith tundra for ibuki only pr 203 aa?
zenith tundra
is less useful if she is being carried by ws
sterile bluff
why is it less useful with ws?
zenith tundra
i would only use he for ca in pvp
sterile bluff
and BB
zenith tundra
because ws does all the dmg u need to kill stuff
sterile bluff
i mean...
zenith tundra
amagi can just chill and be useful for the buffs
sterile bluff
i need moaaar dmg!!!
sterile bluff
but do u get the reduction?
i can't make the reduction work when i get amagi cuz i don't have nagato
ripe latch
put suruga or mikasa pepega
shell heron
Not mandatory. You can toss amagi into any fleet and it works
sterile bluff
ripe latch
...
ripe latch
but we can made corp with you actual ships
ripe latch
sterile bluff
ripe latch
u can make hms fleet , spam coubs for cent and ws
zenith tundra
to explain it better if u use nagato + amagi u need amagi to carry because 3rd slot which is either hiryuu or fdg is the tank (hiryuu can also carry but not really if she tanks). so the cd is much more valuable then because it allows her to do more dmg with the early barrage. with ws dealing dmg and fdg tanking amagi only needs to stay alive for buffs and debuffs so the cd skill is not really important
sterile bluff
hmm
so u r saying
when running nagato + amagi
amagi needs to carry since nagato doesn't do enough dmg?
zenith tundra
nagato is rng
sterile bluff
oh
zenith tundra
she can carry if she barrages
zenith tundra
but is not consistent
sterile bluff
allow me to introduce my special move called restarting
zenith tundra
she is there for the buff and then sometimes she just deletes opponent team by herself
sterile bluff
with her barrage?
zenith tundra
yeah
when nagato barrages she has like 90% chance of being mvp at the end
when she doesn't her dmg is just barely better then qe
sterile bluff
ill be honest ik nagato's barrage is op and on the spreadsheet it has absurd numbers but everytime it hits my team i don't see how the reality matches with the numbers
like yea it deals good dmg but still nothing compared to hood's concentrated snipe
is it cuz the spread is too wide?
zenith tundra
it has a lot of projectiles so it's dmg is dispersed
zenith tundra
fdg barrage is a bit less focused on the small projectiles and more on the strong ones that hit opponent backline
ripe latch
well , after nagato event ppl play mutsu+nagato+hiryuu
zenith tundra
the best pvp team are focused around amagi because she is broken. if u look even at tier list few can actually go by without her
and with 457 is gonna be even less of them viable since ws will just start to murder stuff even on defense
zenith tundra
23/50
sterile bluff
nice
zenith tundra
i can barely do research since i'm wasting all money for reno
sterile bluff
o_O
what's the average time it takes to get it?
if u r semi focused on it
like a year?
zenith tundra
took me 9 months in jp
zenith tundra
i would get like 1 bp per week and sometimes lucksac with like 2 per week. so it's a bit more on average then 1 per week
zenith tundra
1057 into the bad part of the season. not even that bad
sterile bluff
jintsuu?
zenith tundra
ibuki is best solo torp ship
shell heron
I would use Noshiro over Jintsuu
sterile bluff
but floof
zenith tundra
i myself don't think noshiro does much on defense unless u find people using torp memes on offense
might be mostly jp biased
shell heron
I still prefer Ibuki on def. higher chance of blowing up their vg
ripe latch
food or not
shell heron
actually I use both because it's def and it will only catch afkers off guard
zenith tundra
noshiro ibuki on defense seems legit. but i really want yukikaze stalling and juneau heal
shell heron
Yuki lead
ripe latch
🍖
shell heron
I rather try and force resets than try stalling
ripe latch
seems wait for refresh
zenith tundra
if i were to setup a defense would be either amagi suruga fdg or amagi ws fdg. the 1st is pure stalling awhile 2nd has actual winning chances
sterile bluff
ws on def?
ionic magnet
yea like that
sterile bluff
if u use ws on def won't the attacker choose who she snipes?
zenith tundra
problem is u cannot test against that and if u test u only test torp rng
ionic magnet
tho i prefer aurora over one of noshi/ykkz
zenith tundra
yeah u force people into running tanks on offense if they don't want to lose
if they don't use a tank u can actually win
ripe latch
toolbox on amagi
shell heron
even hiryuu forces me to snipe her first
zenith tundra
not even vh armor saves amagi from ws fdg focus
zenith tundra
with 457 u can force the opposite. needing a tank to tank ws instead of needing to snipe hiryuu
elder crane
So far Noshiro Azuma Ibuki on offense has been... surprisingly not trash
I have needed to reset once, but matches are fast at least
also does pretty well vs ws since she ignores the vanguard, and my vanguard actually does damage 
feels worse against the ole Nagato Amagi Hiryuu with stall vanguard though
we'll see how that shapes up once I can be sure I'm facing legit-ish teams
zenith tundra
noshiro ibuki is actually pretty nuts combo even on offense
sterile bluff
what's a good offense vg?
shell heron
I'm still running Juneau/x/Yukikaze
zenith tundra
on offense u would usually prefer consistency. so anything like juneau yukikaze and stuff that can actually help ur team on way or another
fast storm
same juneau/x/ykk
sterile bluff
but what should the x be?
but tbh i thought on offense you would prefer rng cuz u can just restart
on def u want consistency
shell heron
anyone that you have that is good. Belfast, Noshiro, Ibuki, Neptune, etc
fast storm
i used st. louis
sterile bluff
i use ayaya
fast storm
now using azuma
zenith tundra
problem is that torp are not considered consistent
ionic magnet
im starting to feel like noshiro can replace ykkz
depends if your team needs backline or VG protection
but they both p much have same role of buffing your other botes while being a cockroach themselves
or ofc just run both of them if you want pure stall
shell heron
Noshiro just makes your roach vg even more unkillable
zenith tundra
that's the one thing u want to avoid. ibuki is like the only one that u can use on offense because double preload makes her more consistent and she can work just fine with yukikae juneau
shell heron
or just stall longer
zenith tundra
comps are rated based on winning % and i guarantee u most people don't like resetting especially after playing for more then 1 year
ionic magnet
im running jun noshi azuma rn cos azuma just dies too fast from torps
atleast until d25
zenith tundra
once u see u can win any fight without ever needing to reset u cannot go back to resetting
ionic magnet
yea
zenith tundra
noshiro is really good for now at the very least till azuma starts being an actual threat. in jp i never saw a noshiro stalling my azuma like at all
sterile bluff
i don't have noshi 
ionic magnet
what how new are you
ionic magnet
zenith tundra
should be new year right?
sterile bluff
i think so?
upbeat hollow
how far could you realistically get w.o going full meta in pvp?
sterile bluff
i remember they came at around the same time
ionic magnet
yea along with pr2 outfits iirc
upbeat hollow
like guesstimate range
sterile bluff
what do u define as "meta"
sterile bluff
there r only 2 t0 comps in the tierlist
zenith tundra
maid event was on 21st jan
sterile bluff
and new year?
ionic magnet
hiryuu amagi nagato
thats full meta tho
upbeat hollow
lemme rephrase '
zenith tundra
oh u mean cn new yer lol
upbeat hollow
im saying how far can you get WITHOUT going full meta
which means not going all of those ships
you asked me what i considered meta i believe
marsh bane
depends on your rng
ionic magnet
well how off meta is your comp
zenith tundra
and server too
sterile bluff
like for example fdg amagi ws is pretty strong but that's not even on tierlist so do u consider that meta?
upbeat hollow
right now, DoY, nagato, rossiya, azuma (?) prob going back to zara for now, juneau eventually once i lvl her and noshiro
zenith tundra
if opponents don't use strong meta comps u can go as far as top 100 easily
marsh bane
shouldn't fdg be d30 for that tho
which on EN nobody has
upbeat hollow
oh and im on lex
sterile bluff
but like theoretically speaking lots of super strong comps aren't even on tierlist
so idk if he considers that "meta"
zenith tundra
at least is not avrora
marsh bane
think avrora/sandy are more tryhard
ionic magnet
sterile bluff
sandy is uhh... 
fast storm
im on avrora
ripe latch
pvp boys - fdg usable after 25dev
EN ppl - put 120 * 3 stars
upbeat hollow
and if i wanna hold a higher ranking, i need an actual defense fleet right?
sterile bluff
yes
zenith tundra
yeah but people like flexing and memeing so it's an actual good defense comp with 3* fdg
ionic magnet
if youre willing to reset you can still beat everything
zenith tundra
defense fleet has 0 impact over ur rank
upbeat hollow
mk
sterile bluff
but def fleet prevents other ppl getting ahead of u thus pushing u down
so indirectly it helps a lot
ionic magnet
i wouldnt say "a lot" but sure it affects a very tiny bit
zenith tundra
it effectively doesn't do much unless everyone in the server does for example strong defense fleet over rank 1k in which case it can prevent low level people from easily getting top 1k but that doesn't happen since most people just meme in defense fleets. so whatever u put a strong meta or a total meme has 0 impact
elder crane
Yeah, putting up geared 120s pretty much has the same effect, or Nakaga for example
ionic magnet
unless youre careless
elder crane
anyone who isn't going to be walled by that can climb anyways
sterile bluff
ok i mean like i think it helps "a lot" if u r like top 10 and the other ppl r legit 9999% tryharding
zenith tundra
lol
sterile bluff
o_O
elder crane
but when you're in top 10, all you see is like rank 50-150
which give you +8 if you fight them 
ionic magnet
upbeat hollow
speaking of that
if im top 10 and im forced to fight someone lower, i have no choice but to bite the bullet right?
elder crane
Basically
zenith tundra
so u actually want a weak defense fleet top 10 so u can escape eating the -2
sterile bluff
but i still prefer putting a legit def fleet cuz it actually allows ppl to analyze pvp metas XD
sterile bluff
so this is possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hjASaRgXas&t=640s
upbeat hollow
i didnt really have a goal but im #5 atm so i figured id probably like to try to keep top 10 if possible
midnight heron
just do it
zenith tundra
food
sterile bluff
im legit trolling at this point
upbeat hollow
midnight heron
join rusher squad
upbeat hollow
but its still early
so technically this rank doesnt really matter
i just wanted to learn more so i could figure out how to keep it
or at least hover
midnight heron
you keep it by not keeping it
zenith tundra
u don't get it in the 1st place that's how u keep it
upbeat hollow
i see
ripe latch
5 fps on video
ionic magnet
if youre top 5 rn, sadly you wont keep it for long
zenith tundra
if i do all my 10 attempts my score would be 35 pts above current rank 1
upbeat hollow
zenith tundra
it's pointless to use all of them now since i don't gain anything
i'll just wait for eos to get the top 10 bonus
it's part of sandbagging
u keep ur score low and get more bonuses and then push when it matters
upbeat hollow
i see
ionic magnet
this pvp system punishes top rankers while giving bonuses to lower ranks
ripe latch
data collector
sendai 1.38%
sterile bluff
not sure if "sandbagging" is working for me 🤣
no one is ranking up ffs
and i missed some attempts already
sterile bluff
so im supposed to lag but not lag too much?
shell heron
that's kinda how it works out
early on the playing field is pretty even, but all those bonuses you gained places you as if you were rushing normally
zenith tundra
past 1050 pts it's much harder getting bonuses
i'm happy if i manage a +2 per reset tbh
elfin summit
vague token
hmm taihou actually has 140 torp efficiency
guess ill move the avenger to her for bigger flood
elder crane
I haven't managed to really get a flood in
maybe VT-18 doesn't work that well with torpedo vanguard 
battles end too quickly
vague token
lul probably not
i have it on formidable atm
gotta level taihou
was at 69 lol
i wish we could get formation adjustments
formidable has such a good torp formation for spreading out a debuff
meanwhile saratoga uses aim torps
on a debuff
like what
forest lake
Wait the flood got fixed?
shell heron
5 bonus matches...where was this luck early on when bonuses were bigger 
forest lake
sterile bluff
Do ppl usually start rushing when its about to refresh?
sterile bluff
D:
shell heron
I just remembered the names on some people
could make a spreadsheet of rushers and sandbaggers but that's too much
zenith tundra
u are behind so people in ur list aren't trying as hard
they just rush
how much actual bonus did u get in all 5?
shell heron
2/2/1/1/1
sterile bluff
What does that even mean 😂😂
zenith tundra
not bad at all
shell heron
about right where I am now
other than the fact I got 5 bonus matches
the number refers to the bonus amount above base
zenith tundra
i only got 2 +1
sterile bluff
what is bonus
forest lake
But then WarKai shoots like 0.01 sec after Cent launches with Cuda
zenith tundra
bonus points u get over base amount by sandbagging
shell heron
still pretty behind I believe. 1091 points
zenith tundra
1109 for me
sterile bluff
How do i even know the bonus
zenith tundra
past 1050 score u get +10 base
when u get +11 it'a 1 bonus point
when u get a +9 is -1 bonus point
sterile bluff
How do i get bonus pt?
shell heron
you wait for someone to move far enough above you
zenith tundra
by waiting for opponents to use their attempts. at this point u nees a 35 score difference to get a +1
shell heron
Unless they're top 100, you guess
zenith tundra
u mostly don't unless they aee top 100
u use their rank to tell whatever they used attempts or not
shell heron
the nice thing about sitting 5 matches down is you're right at the spot where people still kinda move.
Reason why sandbagging works
zenith tundra
u can only wait till end of reset usually since sandbagging is done staying at 5/10 befores reset
if u dont go down to 5/10 before reset u lose attempts
sterile bluff
which was what happened to me a bunch of times
zenith tundra
i have more season where i dropped attempts sandbagging then where i didn't drop any
hot creek
the sandbag life aint for everyone.
zenith tundra
it's really just random stuff at reset times and i just forget to rush even with alarms like playing other stuff
shell heron
forsaking sleep just for that minute of glory at 2AM in the morning 
zenith tundra
i'm supposed to be sleeping rn...
woke up for reset lol
i was waiting for this to ho back to sleep
ionic magnet
we got the same guy lol
elfin summit
I hear the cries of all those missing event frame 5 mins before deadline, who lack the last single gold purin in merit shop
shell heron
My army of purins fear no event. They are 20 strong and still growing
vague token
share some of those rushers kthx
zenith tundra
how?
zenith tundra
i did get this one
vague token
i think i forgot one of the challenge modes
zenith tundra
zenith tundra
never gonna get welcome back and the other one
shell heron
I like the invitation border. Too bad its temp
zenith tundra
wait only temp? wtf
ionic magnet
zenith tundra
can u cheese that if u use like an emu and phone? or there are more specific conditions
shell heron
I just used my sandy account for those extra points
zenith tundra
lol
zenith tundra
2nd time i get a comission ending message and someone in my pvp list moved... rip sleep
midnight heron
till dis day i still dont understand how u guys keep saying torp memes die to a breeze when i keep facing torp memes dat somehow can survive past naga barrage
and dis last guy i faced went full torp meme with jintsuu sendai aurora
forest lake
midnight heron
heres the thing
if i tried the same setup
they more than likely die before they even get the 2nd torp off
no matter wat gear i change
so how do u guys define torp meme as gud or bad
ionic magnet
eh offense and defense has big difference
and no if you just stop stacking oxytorps im sure they can fire 2nd wave of torps most of the time
even aurora can last that long
midnight heron
pretty sure i tried it some time ago and if they even got touched by naga barrage they wud get rekt
dis guys sendai took a barrage to the face and was still standing
like tf
midnight heron
zenith tundra
don't use torp on offense that's what it means imo
they are good for defense but not many reasons to use them on offense
midnight heron
ik but offense has 20% dmg reduc so how r these guys surviving naga barrage when mine cant
even ihr doesnt save mine
ionic magnet
nothing can save you vs rng gods
forest lake
You get dmg reduc in exchange for shitty rng
Tfw your own torp memes doesn't perform as well as the torp memes in defense fleets
forest lake
uneven barn
Whats the biggest benefit of ranking high in PvP? More currency?
vague token
if you hit top 10 at the last 3 days you get 2500 merits
at any point
that's about it
weak orbit
I've run out of things to buy with merit
uneven barn
Does the top 10 usually fluctuate a lot at the end of the season or not really?
vague token
on fri/sat yes because some people just want to cash out the merits
zenith tundra
it does quite a bit. earliest is when most people want to rush then it kind of gets easier as more people get the rank.
more lucksac
elder crane
Also
You are running hit equip and PR secondaries, right?
If so, I don't see how you aren't killing torpmemes vanguard ships that aren't ykkz/noshiro/Ibuki by like 35 s or so
Nyaga barrage if procs on first firing usually just deletes them if that happens
midnight heron
rng 
vague token
out of red t3 books 
zenith tundra
i just use mostly blue books all the time. out of t2 reds as well
sterile bluff
oh so sometimes u don't use matching books?
zenith tundra
sometimes-> more like 90% of the time
sterile bluff
📘
shell heron
Today is a decent day. Last refresh I got 5 bonus matches. This one I got 4
I'll need all I can get to recover from that loss
zenith tundra
1162
shell heron
- Slowly catching up
shell heron
Haven't seen a good early start for the last few seasons now.
vague token
1144
shell heron
Just need to hit a min 3 bonuses per reset to catch up
I still hate myself for being overconfident and not targeting hiryuu early
Her surviving too long makes her skill a threat
zenith tundra
finally got reno.... took long enough
zenith tundra
best thing is that i can finally do research now
finite heath
Hey guys, didn't know there is a pvp club 😂 however, is there any pvp equipment guide (specifically planes) somewhere? 😁
finite heath
Ahah ok thanks 😁
zenith tundra
the tier list has the equipment too
midnight crest
i have this as my pvp, i want to replace yukikaze and Jintsu
who do you like to recommend?
i see people put noshiro replace jintsu
zenith tundra
i wouldn't replace yukikaze tbh there are few shups that can do what she can. for jintsuu replacement u can use noshiro
zenith tundra
noshiro is tankier then most other ships and can give a nice torp damage reduction which is good since torp are always used in pvp pretty much
zenith tundra
don't put yukikaze tank. she does really well in off tank position and juneau is usually better mid
midnight crest
then how about pr saint louis is there anything special about her?
zenith tundra
not that much. she has the evasion skill so she can tank a bit but outside of anti aurora she is never really used
midnight crest
ah ok so just a one trick pony
i usually swap my pvp around to counter other fleet, just for them to kill juneau on time to drag out hiryuu life span
zenith tundra
if that works for u whatever it's just that off tank in pvp take usually less dmg then mid especially if tank dies
midnight crest
i see because i need Jintsu to be alive more than yukikaze cause jintsu have a bit more on her raw FP instead rely on yukikaze torp, and i have faith for Yuki kaze stay alive after juneau die
i have this gears for 2 of my battle ship how that look?
zenith tundra
i always prefer yukikaze alive as long as possible. her high speed and tankiness makes her the perfect ship for stalling as much as possible vg death. it helps especially vs cv since she can completely absorb airstrikes bombs without easily dying
swap white shell on nagato for either rudder or sg and black shell on ws for sg
midnight crest
yeah... u right warspite need accuracy and nagato need survivability
zenith tundra
if u get seattle guns they can be really good for pvp especially on flagship
midnight crest
seattle gun... hmmm which one?
zenith tundra
it's really good for pve too so it's a bit hard to just leave it on a pvp ship but it does make quite a difference imo
midnight crest
it can hit vanguard? while your vanguard is fighting?
zenith tundra
yeah
midnight crest
holy
zenith tundra
both seattle gun and nep gun can easily hit opponent vg with ur vg still alive
they have higher range then other cl guns
midnight crest
zenith tundra
use helldivers pls...
zenith tundra
change aux to aviation gas or beacon and either rudder or beaver badge
zenith tundra
don't use sg on vg ships especially dd
i understand oxy because of jintsuu but sg is pointless on her
use boiler
midnight crest
or rudder? more hp and eva?
zenith tundra
hp scales by 2.32 times in pvp while eva has diminishing returns
any hp item is better then evasion on yukikaze
midnight crest
yeah but it's something else
midnight crest
ok they just same, man i cant belive i survive this long is pvp 
empty owl
Besides her gun how should I equip Dido?
zenith tundra
switch sg to boiler and it should be fine imo
this is what i tested her with and she was good
empty owl
Ok
gray adder
so the meta vangaurd is juneau azuma ykkz huh 
neat stuff
how does juneau noshiro ykkz turn out
zenith tundra
it's good for en where azuma isn't so common
with azuma around is much harder to win vg with that
gray adder
im guessing when EN players start to get their azuma and fdg dev leveled up and equips obtained, its gonna be the exact same as CN pvp
is "bottom" referring to tank slot
zenith tundra
left is tank yes
ripe latch
@zenith tundra jp def meta still namaryuu?
ripe latch
SS PR3 better
zenith tundra
pr3 dr cv will be fun
ripe latch
@forest lake ss pvp 
serene saddle
ripe latch
if u so lucky and can get 2x50
forest lake
elder crane
457 is usually a 1-of in 3BB/C teams
or specifically on Warkai in general
ofc basically no one has 2 457 to see if two is good, but I have my doubts on that
sterile bluff
Triple BB triple 457
zenith tundra
@serene saddle only nagato should use fdg gun if u want to. i still use twin 381 tho
safe meteor
hi
how good would this team be:
Amagi Hiryuu kai, Warspite kai
Juneau, Azuma/Noshiro, Yukikaze?
(i dont have Amagi so i cant really test this team)
the old Namaryuu feels so weak to fight against without Warspite kai put anywhere
zenith tundra
namaryuu usually has no problems with ws at all. i tried that comp a while ago and it does lack some synergy tbh
safe meteor
Warkai sniping the backline not good enough?
was thinking Hiryuu and Amagi to just stall as long as possible while Warkai does the work
zenith tundra
it works with fdg but hiryuu isn't as strong tbh
safe meteor
i see
guess we need to wait for that
Hiryuu equipped with VH armor and washing machine?
zenith tundra
ws has to hard carry and without 457 is not that easy
amagi dmg without nagato is not high
sterile bluff
Her dmg isnt high?
Thought her stats and barrage were pretty good
Especially for BC
elfin summit
speaking of 457, it should be bis for warkai, I guess?
with most main fleeters being heavy/med
zenith tundra
amagi stats are good but she still has 23 luck and her barrage is random aim which means can just miss
zenith tundra
drh?
frail orbit
Also imagine actually rolling for that 40% barrage of Nagatoot
406skc
Was called drh
Personal preferences only but
If no Wakai then Amagi should get 406skc and HPFCR+rudder
zenith tundra
maing gun dmg is too random for most part
nagato can use it
but amagi not really
frail orbit
Sure
But majority of dmg not even coming from shelling
For both of em
For me in a Namagi comp
It's usually nagatoot roll her dice of 40% or ded
zenith tundra
amagi barrage is way better then random shelling tbh
u don't want to slow it down
nagato can just never barrage so fdg gun is fine
if shelling was good qe dmg wouldn't be total trash
frail orbit
HPFCR is da wae to boost that lah
Win win solution for me
I meant on Magi
That reduction on start
zenith tundra
it's not a problem of early shelling or whatever. shelling it's just to random to be consistent especially on amagi that shoots her 1st 2 mg cds with vg still around
if all aim vg u just lose most of that dmg
why nerf her source of dmg with a slower gun when all she really needs is her barrage
for nagato is fine to use fdg gun but i don't use it because it overlaps too much with 457 on fdg
so i just stick with 381 on both
frail orbit
Just my hatred towards 381 twin tbh
Sure u go fast, but u wont ever reach that high dmg ever. Never. Also if me, personally having 2 406skc, with HPFCR on Magi, feels better man than having to spam MUH DAKKA of my wifey
Especially when running Namawakai
When I still meme'd around on Namawakai with well, HPFCR on Magi
On Namaryuu not really a problem tho if on 381
Even with the likes of Magi 406skc is way better DPS wise
Unless u a mad lad and using autolooder +381 then it's 381 win but who tf used autolooder meme
Yeah am not really for utility
Am mainly a dps man. I cared my wife as much as how big her squirt shot volume is
jagged steppe
use 457