pvp

[zenith tundra]

forgot about centaur too

[ionic magnet]

thinking about qe comps too but prolly not worth til they get warkai or even kgv/formi

[zenith tundra]

eldridge might be an interesting counter to hiryuu too

just thinking about new server equipment and how bad it is at the beginning

pvp will be so lol there

[ionic magnet]

first month is just whoever levels faster wins

[zenith tundra]

for casuals might be even more then 1 month

[ionic magnet]

true

[zenith tundra]

120 isn't that easy

[ionic magnet]

im not here on server start so idk

[zenith tundra]

especially without being able to grind high worlds with good equip

i don't remember en start mainly because i don't think i cared that much about pvp back then plus lvl 100 cap was making things easier

u didn't really see that many great comps till fw after all

[ionic magnet]

i just remember i didnt care about pvp either til about 2-3 months in

cos i dont have the proper botes levelled and gears etc

but tbh

im still skeptical about that announcement

lol

whyd they even post that on apr 1

[zenith tundra]

gear was my biggest issue i think. even after ce i couldn't really properly gear for pvp

[ionic magnet]

i got told to level eldridge back then actually

but by the time i raised her

[zenith tundra]

how i see it is that in cn time it wasn't 1st april anymore

[ionic magnet]

aurora already came and i never used eldridge even once

[zenith tundra]

i raised eldridge because stupid helena enty comps

[ionic magnet]

oh true

its posted 12 am apr 2

if my math is right

[zenith tundra]

i don't think they would joke about something like that tbh. also it's something that they have to do

[ionic magnet]

well EN is a big troll so

[zenith tundra]

yeah it seems to be exactly 12am in cn at that time

the biggest troll imo are patch notes tho

[ionic magnet]

intern kun always memeing doesnt help either

[drowsy heron]

I will probably just use the PvE team at the start as it will be a leveling race at the start but it's good to have the right characters in mind to get them up to speed as fast as possible

[zenith tundra]

imo if u get hiryuu early just level her. she is good enough in pve too

i would like to try starting there but 2 accounts is already a bit too much

[shy hazel]

hooloo didnt care about pvp

that he had 1% winrate

pathetique

[zenith tundra]

[runic sorrel]

[marsh bane]

[elder crane]

Gear and ships for me
stupid Sandy/Eugen/Sandy/Warspite/Sandy shop rotation on Avrora
and we didn't get ch 6 for a good while, so no purple plates for anyone

[jagged steppe]

1hour rigging analysis the blue one?

I got only blue blueprint from 1hour research

or do I need to research purple one?

@elder crane

[elder crane]

1 H one
the per-project rate isn't great, but it's so short that the per-time rate is really good after you consider that the chance for bonus is the same as the 4h purple project

[jagged steppe]

oh ok

[elder crane]

the average PR equip print rate is like 0.4 base + 0.25 bonus

[jagged steppe]

rainbow?

[elder crane]

no, in general

for rainbow, divide by 20 or so

[jagged steppe]

0.5+0.25 its %?

*0.4

is it 0.65% or 65%?

[elder crane]

current data says ~52% to get a gold or rainbow print, and then it's 25% independently to get a bonus equipment

so my first number was correct

compare the 4H Q project, which is on average ~2.6 gold or rainbow print, but then still 25% independently to get a bonus equipment

adding it together, the 1H project gives better per-time rate

[jagged steppe]

oh ok

how did people geting 21 of it and im still 9

[marsh bane]

Stuck at 24 for a while now

[elder crane]

Well, let's say you have 1H Q project running 8 h a day, and that's it for equipment

that's about on average 0.28 457 prints a day

in 3 months, you average 25 of them

we're at 3 and a half months

(stats based off of current data)

[jagged steppe]

thats fastest for all equip pr2 right?

cuz I need 2 more seatle gun

[elder crane]

Yep, hence my ordering

[safe meteor]

does anyone here got a close to lvl 100 Casablanca? no one is really sure if she cost 10 or 11 oil at max

[zenith tundra]

she should be 10 but i don't have her leveled up myself

[finite valve]

is any of the new planes worth buying from the core data shop?

[elder crane]

AP cuda is a nice sidegrade

Other two are 🚮

[finite valve]

👍

[sterile bluff]

if i switch to amagi will my progress on sandy be lost?

or can i play on 2 servers interchangeably without losing progress

[vague token]

i have to wait like 3 months to get 3 ap cudas =/

[zenith tundra]

u don't lose progress but u do have to start from 0

[elder crane]

account is locked to one server

[sterile bluff]

ik but when i come back to sandy will my progress be lost

[safe meteor]

Amagi server is real? it was not an April Fools joke?

[elder crane]

your sandy and amagi progress will be separate

[sterile bluff]

and won't be lost right?

[elder crane]

no, it's kept on both end

[sterile bluff]

ok

[finite valve]

if you want to be competitive in pvp

[elder crane]

yeah

[finite valve]

yeh sure you can start on amagi

[sterile bluff]

idc that i have to start from 0 i just don't wanna lose my sandy progress

[finite valve]

if not

i don't see why you would want to do it

[sterile bluff]

if i start on amagi then everyone's gonna be noobs and ill dominate pvp LOL

[elder crane]

no point in restart there, but best to go there if starting

[sterile bluff]

idek

ill probably stick with sandy

[zenith tundra]

if u started 1 week before switching is not a bad idead

[finite valve]

well pvp is mostly about time zone anyway

[sterile bluff]

nah i started like a few months ago

[finite valve]

so not going to matter much in the long run

[sterile bluff]

which time zone has the advantage?

[finite valve]

good for eos top 5 bragging right

which ever that not making you wake up at like 3 or 2 AM

[elder crane]

a schedule that is free around all 3 resets is best

schedule is ofc linked to timezone

[zenith tundra]

new server means u can actually win as a new player since no one has better ships that are event locked

[sterile bluff]

yea

but ehhhhhh

[finite valve]

hms meta all over again

[elder crane]

yeah, Amagi micrometa will be interesting

[sterile bluff]

r we even sure we're getting amagi with the server?

[elder crane]

maybe some of the new event ships won't be shitty in there

[finite valve]

you wish

[sterile bluff]

yes i do wish

[finite valve]

amagi haven't got a rerun

[sterile bluff]

i very much wish

[finite valve]

no way they going to make her perm

[sterile bluff]

[vague token]

i did hood/amagi/hiryuu for a bit when foxes were prevalent

[sterile bluff]

i need some fox fluff in my life

[zenith tundra]

eh... there aren't that many top tier pvp bb that aren't event locked or straight pr

[vague token]

but that was 110

[sterile bluff]

when do u think we're getting spitesword?

again...

cuz i missed it...

D:

[finite valve]

next event should be FW

or new about FW

CN just got FW putting in archive

[sterile bluff]

no next event should be essex

[zenith tundra]

i don't think later then summer tbh but who know

[sterile bluff]

rly?

[finite valve]

so EN should have some new about it soon

[sterile bluff]

i sure hope it's that soon

i need spitesword

spitesword is the ultimate powa

[elder crane]

JP had VF-17 added to core shop

it's very unlikely FW reruns for us or them

WC isn't rerunning in EN either for sure, so there's precedent

[zenith tundra]

i really hope we don't get fw event even as a build only thing in jp

[elder crane]

you're getting it archived, likely

[zenith tundra]

couldn't care less at this point

[elder crane]

I'm expecting either next or next next JP patch notes to announce FW added to archives

[finite valve]

tbh i would at least want they to give out the gear reward if they just going to shelf the event

what i want is the gear

[vague token]

fcr in coreeeee reeee

[sterile bluff]

i don't want fw cuz there r no good ships XD

[finite valve]

yeh

[elder crane]

HPFCR is MiA just like rainbow mags are

[finite valve]

no fcr

[elder crane]

VF-17 is in core shop at least

[sterile bluff]

and fcr is gonna get added to core so

[finite valve]

nope

[sterile bluff]

nope

[finite valve]

only the pirate

[elder crane]

that hasn't been announced yet, no?

only VF-17 got added

[vague token]

only pirate was announced

[sterile bluff]

they better add fcr to core

[elder crane]

well
rainbow mags

so

2 years and still not in core shop

[finite valve]

just tell general to PM intern to give out fcr as reward in email

since CN got 2 of them

[sterile bluff]

~~ill spam intern for essex event ~~

[finite valve]

essex was new year

[sterile bluff]

we didn't get her actual event tho

yet

[finite valve]

also funny how taihou got added and not essex

essex is just build event

she don't get an event

[sterile bluff]

im talking about air raids with essex

cn and jp got it

en never did

we only got 1yr anniversary

which i missed...

again...

[finite valve]

that event is just the boss rush right?

[sterile bluff]

yep

[finite valve]

dk if essex was buildable during that event tho

[sterile bluff]

it is

[finite valve]

[sterile bluff]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Air_Raid_Drills_with_Essex

[finite valve]

well next piece of new is 100% going to be FW related anyhow

so still long away for any other event

[sterile bluff]

i need essex event now

[finite valve]

[sterile bluff]

we should be getting it soon...

i tell myself that everyday now...

trying to convince myself...

jp and cn already got it...

taihou got added

logically essex should be next...

[zenith tundra]

not really

[sterile bluff]

NO

[zenith tundra]

ce and wc are before chronologically

[sterile bluff]

we will get essex raids soon

ok fine

after ce and wc

but still soon

[zenith tundra]

for en they could mash up fw and wc since both were rerun version 1st run into a big mess lol

[sterile bluff]

ink stained sakura is slightly after ce right?

[zenith tundra]

should be after essex event at least considering jp/cn

[sterile bluff]

ok

so ce essex isss

there is still hope

hopefully we get them all before summer

can we get them all before summer?

:nervouslaughter:

at 200 affinity it's +12% buff right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

shit... that's actually pretty massive...

it's every stat too...

besides speed

[zenith tundra]

it's only 6% more then 100 affection without oath

[sterile bluff]

ik

[zenith tundra]

it's a bit for hp in pvp but not really all that much

plus it costs money

[sterile bluff]

ws's skill buffs 15%

and u get another 12%

and not just in fp

ok lemme recalculate barrage dmgs

ill try to get the maximum possible dmg if i stacked fp to the max

so if I use 457, any aux gun that gives 45 fp, and double shells i can net 235 fp from gear, pretty sure that's the max without using the high angle AA gun which is the only AA gun that gives fp
0.5 * 404.8 * 1.3 * 1.5 * (0.8(1.15)(1.12*446 + 235) + 100)/100 * 0.8 * 2.3 = 5634

...

ok that's still so low wtaf

[zenith tundra]

it's not 0.8x2.3 it's x2.1

[sterile bluff]

oh

oh ok then it's a lot more 6430

okok

and that still can't 1 shot enty?

[zenith tundra]

not really

[sterile bluff]

noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[zenith tundra]

but if u want max fp it's 470 max oath

base

[sterile bluff]

wut

it's capped at 470?

446 * 1.12 is 500

[zenith tundra]

no that's how much she has at 200

[sterile bluff]

nani?

is it not 446 * 1.12?

[zenith tundra]

u are not removing the already existing 0.06 buff from 100 affection

[sterile bluff]

wdym she has 446 base without any affection right?

hold on lemme check wiki

oh wait...

u r right...

wiki says it's based on 100 affinity

DAMN IT!

[zenith tundra]

the actual math if u want to do stats is rounddown(roundup(base stat/1.06)*1.12)

[sterile bluff]

i thought the wiki stats were without affection

[zenith tundra]

nope

all the rounding to integral numbers

[sterile bluff]

what's BiS for ws again? white shell and sg?

[vague token]

i use rudder/fcr xD

[zenith tundra]

hpfcr rudder with 457

[sterile bluff]

don't have fcr

why aren't u guys using shells?

[zenith tundra]

it's overall worse then sg on most ships

[sterile bluff]

why aren't u guys using sg? XD

[zenith tundra]

because 457 ws wants to 1 shoot people fast

[sterile bluff]

if u wanna 1 shot then shouldn't u stack fp?

[zenith tundra]

overkill with 457 tbh

[sterile bluff]

oh

[vague token]

i would only use white shell on bisko

[zenith tundra]

anything that is not stacked with evasion or a natural tank like fdg or suruga just goes down really fast

[sterile bluff]

huh ok

what if i don't have fcr what should i use?

[elder crane]

PvP ships at lv120 get a 2.34 times HP multiplier

[zenith tundra]

either sg or white shell

[elder crane]

that means Enty for example, has ~15.4k HP

[sterile bluff]

so sg + white shell?

sg + rudder? white shell + rudder?

[zenith tundra]

white shell/sg rudder imo u can also go double sg. white shell sg seems a bit risky if u fight strong defense teams

[elder crane]

SG/shell, 2 SG, or SG Rudder

white shell rudder is

[vague token]

i too like missing

[elder crane]

anyways, in EN environment, SG/shell for now is fine

[sterile bluff]

lol ok

[elder crane]

probably want to do 2 SG or SG/rudder once the DRs and 457 start appearing

[sterile bluff]

welp that's gonna be a while then

[zenith tundra]

it shouldn't be much more till whales max fdg and azuma

[elder crane]

yeah, but should be another 2-3 before both that and 457

since ship prints and 457 are somewhat mutually exclusive

[sterile bluff]

lol yea

u either go gear or ship bp there's no in between

[zenith tundra]

idk been spamming free research and equip one and i still didn't see any 457...

[sterile bluff]

for gear i just do Qs

[elder crane]

if you spam C, that's crap

[sterile bluff]

about 1 457 per week on average

don't spam C

[elder crane]

PR2 C is nerfed from PR1

[sterile bluff]

just do it when u sleep

[elder crane]

and PR1 C was already bleh

Qs are the ones you want for 457

[vague token]

gotta do freesearch when i have no money from builds

[elder crane]

and G-531

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

i have 0 gold and no cubes

[sterile bluff]

Qs and G-531s

[zenith tundra]

all i can do is free stuff and equip

[elder crane]

if you see a PR2 C project

and that's the best PR2 project

do a PR1 project instead

and refresh the list

[jovial sedge]

where do you get those stupid clues for bullins in maps 1-2, 2-2 etc cos help channel is not help... are they in fight scene? or on map? or stats results or where

[vague token]

on the map

[sterile bluff]

they r nodes on the map

1-2 1-4 2-2 2-4

pretty sure

[jovial sedge]

hmm but those are normal maps or hard? i dont see em there

[sterile bluff]

just go in and collect them

[vague token]

normal

[sterile bluff]

normal

[zenith tundra]

i cannot spend money or cubes because i don't have reno yet. either free stuff or just wait for refresh into equip ones

[jovial sedge]

hmm wtf then

[sterile bluff]

zack, Qs don't cost coins, it's just plates, only thing that drains coins is G-531

[elder crane]

what I meant was
given choice between a PR1 Q/E project
and a PR2 C project
i'd do the PR1 one instead to refresh the list

ofc if you don't have a choice,

[zenith tundra]

i do those but if i have none it's free stuff since i cannot afford anything else

[sterile bluff]

Cs are fine when u sleep, but when awake i avoid them at all costs cuz the shortest one is 6hr...

[vague token]

id do the ch12 ones but grinding event xD

[zenith tundra]

i'm close to 500 cubes and no reno yet

[sterile bluff]

i only got 300...

time to whale

[zenith tundra]

it's not my account so i'm not gonna whale for it

[sterile bluff]

o_O

not ur account?

[zenith tundra]

it's stella problem at that point since i did all i could to get reno

[vague token]

stella on vacation

i heard he'd quit if he didnt get 100% ships

[sterile bluff]

who is stella -_-

[vague token]

peco

[zenith tundra]

pecorine in discord

he used to be stella before

[sterile bluff]

and who is he?

[zenith tundra]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/695242181870616586

it's his last message here

[sterile bluff]

is he ur friend or smth?

[zenith tundra]

i've known him for more then 1 year in this channel

and he kind of help when i switched to jp

[sterile bluff]

i see

[zenith tundra]

am i blind or sea fury isn't in core data shop. am i that blind?

en patch notes
April Core Data Shop Update:
New Items:
Sea Fury
PBY-5A Catalina
TBM Avenger (VT-18 Squadron)
Seal of the Four Gods
Marinière Camouflage
Type 98 Delayed Firing Device

[vague token]

hold on lemme check

i dont see it

[static tartan]

Those were the ones with the typos

[zenith tundra]

i don't trust en patch notes anyway

[blazing scroll]

[zenith tundra]

but it did say sea fury

[static tartan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUAjVpHU4AAFi4n.jpg:large

this is the right one

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

cool i guess i'll just ask for wiki to fix that too

[sterile bluff]

i don't see sea fury

in core

is it supposed to be there?

[static tartan]

I just sent the corrected patch notes

[zenith tundra]

i was looking at wiki page that is wrong

[frail orbit]

Imagine actually expecting Sea Fury

Nein

That thang goes like Pirates

As if Sea Fury would make any difference anyway

Being a slightly better Seafang anyways

[ripe latch]

refresh

[jagged steppe]

I thoght they gonna add this

feelsberybadban

[sterile bluff]

LOL

rip

[elfin summit]

jeez, last fight vs Azuma dev25 was tough, I restarted like 4 times

totally looking forward next time I see her

[sterile bluff]

how good is dev25 azuma?

vs like other vg metas

[vague token]

i mean she'll have 7k hp

so

there you go

(base hp)

[elfin summit]

quite sweet

totally making want you to look for her researches

[shell heron]

like I'm not already taking every Azuma project I see already

She should be usable at dev20 as well

[eager cedar]

she is

out of the ykkz, juneu, X

i perfer her

[sterile bluff]

how does it take for dev25 DR?

if u whale like a madman

[elfin summit]

wish 🐳 could solve rng nature of research

[sterile bluff]

i just want an average estimate

[elfin summit]

I mean, I just don't get Azuma projects

[sterile bluff]

lol

freaking hell it feels like it's taking forever to go from dev20 to 30

even when i spam cubes

i hope we get more events so i can buy the general prints lol

that's the most efficient way to dev tbh

[jagged steppe]

welcome to azur lane

[sterile bluff]

ok boomer

but am i right?

the most efficient way to dev is buying general prints from events?

cuz that feels a lot more efficient than spamming Hs

and it doesn't burn cubes too

[sterile bluff]

do purple books give half the xp gold books do or does it not work that way?

cuz purple books take half the time gold books do

[tranquil hedge]

is a Centaur - Hood - Enterprise backline viable?

[sterile bluff]

enterprise

pls no

[tranquil hedge]

care to elaborate on that? im new to pvp

[static tartan]

@sterile bluff that's probably more of a #gameplay-help question. But the books should say how much xp they give. Blue was 100, purple 300 and gold 800 (without bonus) iirc

[tranquil hedge]

new to the game entirely tbh

[sterile bluff]

if u r super new probably lv ur ships up before pvp

wait a minute...

u r new to the game

and you have centaur

...

[tranquil hedge]

my ships are just getting above lvl 100

relatively new, but not entirely

centaur just got 90, i recently got her

[sterile bluff]

how???

ive dished out more than 300 cubes at special

ok nvm

do u have warspite?

just do warspite hood centaur

[tranquil hedge]

nope

[sterile bluff]

r u on sandy?

if u r on sandy get her rn

in exchange

[tranquil hedge]

so i might have lucked out on centaur but many ships i dont have

im lexington

[sterile bluff]

r u on sandy?

oh

shit ok

who's on exchange rn?

[tranquil hedge]

Hood

[sterile bluff]

okok

who else do u have?

maybe just show ur dock?

[tranquil hedge]

but even if i got Warspite, i dont have the event item

okay one moment

[sterile bluff]

i mean if u do every node up till modernization she's still rly good

which is what i did

[tranquil hedge]

i understand that yukikaze is top tier pvp, but i am out of bulins, and since i have Ayanami, Laffey and Tashkent, i refuse to invest in another DD for quite a while

[sterile bluff]

why don't u get some purins?

sometimes they r in exchange and other shops like pvp shop

[tranquil hedge]

you say that like i can just get them any time

[sterile bluff]

save up for one

[tranquil hedge]

i am buying them at every opportunity but it takes time

[sterile bluff]

you NEED to use yuki one way or another

ok anyways

until u can use her

wait i mean honestly 2lb yuki is still like ur best option XD

as long as she has her skills

at max lv

[tranquil hedge]

this is what i currently use, i know it is not optimal at all

[sterile bluff]

just do hood centaur enty belfast aya yuki

[tranquil hedge]

so i need to replace Chapayev, right?

[sterile bluff]

yea

[tranquil hedge]

so until i dont have yukikaze, what option is best? Helena maybe? Tashkent?

[eager cedar]

get juneau

[sterile bluff]

u can use yukikaze rn can't u?

[tranquil hedge]

yeah i was thinking Juneau but i dont have that stage yet

im not even 70

[sterile bluff]

can't do 5-1?

[tranquil hedge]

oh sorry i thought you said Jintsuu

[sterile bluff]

lol

[tranquil hedge]

who i was planning to use with ayanami somehow for pvp, i heard its good

[sterile bluff]

intsuu is also good

and im pretty sure ur ships can do 10-4

[tranquil hedge]

the stage requires me to be commander level 70

im 67, so not yet

[sterile bluff]

oh lol

bruh

u r lv 67

and u have all those ships...

im less accomplished at lv80

HAHAHAHA

[tranquil hedge]

but regarding Juneau, i know i said i wanna be good at pvp, but i kinda hate the idea of investing in a ship that is otherwise useless for pve

[sterile bluff]

jintsuu useless for pve?

[tranquil hedge]

now im talking about Juneau

[sterile bluff]

oh sry im blind

holy shit

it's been a long day

[tranquil hedge]

i know that jintsuu is good for bothú

[sterile bluff]

XD

[tranquil hedge]

no worries 😄

[sterile bluff]

their names look so similar ffs

[tranquil hedge]

yeah i was the one who mixed them up first lol

[sterile bluff]

anyways u don't need huge investments for juneau

she's blue

only a few bulins

and yea...

she doesn't need godly gear either

[tranquil hedge]

i know that, but even if her purpose is basically dying, if i dont level her, she will die way too early

so leveling her seems like a pain is what im saying

[sterile bluff]

then just lv her, it's not too hard, pvp gives lots of xp

cuz lets be honest u r going to have a 120juneau someday

might as well start now

[tranquil hedge]

im guessing she need to be in front

[sterile bluff]

check the pinned tierlists for positioning

this one

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing

[tranquil hedge]

ok so i see that yukikaze and juneau is basically in every composition lol

[sterile bluff]

yea...

[tranquil hedge]

well i might as well start investing in them then

[sterile bluff]

welcome to pvp meta

[tranquil hedge]

regarding the backline, do i need two Battleships and only one CV/CVL generally?

[sterile bluff]

uhh depends on what u want ur backline to do

but generally

BBs are a lot more useful in pvp

that's why u see a lot of triple BB comps

[tranquil hedge]

because i currently have Centaur / Hood / Enty

[sterile bluff]

oh if u r talking about ur current situation then that comp is fine

[tranquil hedge]

dont know how i could improve that, i dont have any good BBs besides hood

[sterile bluff]

that comp is fine

u don't need to worry about upgrading it for a while

until we get amagi

which should be soonTM

[tranquil hedge]

okay i'll go with that then, and also Belfast / Juneau / Yukikaze

[sterile bluff]

yep

[tranquil hedge]

would Jintsuu (NOT Juneau this time:D) and Ayanami also work? who should be third? does it go well with my current backline?

[sterile bluff]

that works too

uhh

hmm im not a huge expert but i think belfast jintsuu and yuki is best for ur backline

juneau is for tanking and is best with backlines that stall like namaryuu

i could be wrong tho im also a noob

LOL

[tranquil hedge]

Belfast - Ayanami - Jintsuu? i see that in the tierlist also

[sterile bluff]

if u r worried just test them all out

belfast aya jintsuu juneau yuki are all good for pvp

u r gonna see them in tierlists everywhere

im trying to figure out if u should go torpmeme tank or something else

[jovial sedge]

hmm

[sterile bluff]

ark royale help this lad

oof

[jovial sedge]

some dedicated man this

[sterile bluff]

nani

no dev30 georgia what a scrub

jk

im jealous af

[jovial sedge]

wthu the fuck fucking azuma shit piece of opp shit

its even bb tag vanguard

...

[sterile bluff]

o_O

engrish?

[jovial sedge]

just my rage over dev sakura obsession bias bs

[sterile bluff]

ok @tranquil hedge i think yuki juneau jintsuu work best for ur case

or yuki aya jintsuu

belfast is mainly for tanking foxes

[jovial sedge]

dunno if u talked about team comps just use the frigging guide ... take zoo be a lowlife scumbag as u can be and enjoy trashing everyone in your mirror zoo duels

[sterile bluff]

don't think you will see too many nakagas or amakagas at ur lv

[shell heron]

It's less about player level and more about current rank.

Further up the ranks, more likely you'll see "meta" fleets

[sterile bluff]

i don't think he has a super high rank considering he recently started OwO

[tranquil hedge]

1347 currently

my goal is to reach one rank above captain and i'll be satisfied for quite a while

[sterile bluff]

what's ur seasonal score?

[tranquil hedge]

862

i dont really manage to beat any serious fleets, i just realized that i should just slow down because i most likely dont even have proper equipment to be competitive

[shell heron]

It's possible to hit top 600 with pure rushing, but you need to win all your matches

Keep in mind you can back out and it won't count against you

[sterile bluff]

^^^^^^^^

remember that

[tranquil hedge]

i'll try that more

[sterile bluff]

LOL

it's called restarting until you win

since u r using enty

you kind of have to do that

XD

[tranquil hedge]

i knew about that but i was afking mostly while doing the daily pvp

[sterile bluff]

oh god dude u need to see the procs

if the enemy is procing and u r not

u gotta restart

[shell heron]

Although since you're new. leveling your current good ships is better than going for a PvP comp

[sterile bluff]

im ngl his pvp comp isn't bad actually...

like it's pretty good tbh

[tranquil hedge]

that's why basically why i wrote here is for a chance that i dont have to invest in juneau or yuki yet :d i dont have the resources

[shell heron]

Most PvE ships are usable in PvP.

[sterile bluff]

^^^

[tranquil hedge]

okay, so to avoid overextending myself even more, i'll just stick to replacing Chapayev with Jintsuu when i get her. is that fine?

[sterile bluff]

sure

[shell heron]

The only ships I can think of that has value mainly in PvP is Juneau and Hiryuu

[tranquil hedge]

i mean Chapayev is a really great ship from what i gathered, even if its not pvp meta

[sterile bluff]

hiryuu is pretty good in pve tbh

[tranquil hedge]

dont have her

[shell heron]

you get a dead skill where she has to be one shot from dead to proc

[sterile bluff]

3-1 3-2 3-3

[tranquil hedge]

i lucked out on centaur but i dont have the foxes and many drops

i farmed the fox mines endlessly too

[sterile bluff]

nah u don't rly need foxes

unless u want waifu

[tranquil hedge]

was just an example 😄

[sterile bluff]

lol

[tranquil hedge]

no not really

the real reason was acutally the repair boxes

but while doing that i still did not get either of them

[sterile bluff]

anyways i still think yuki juneau jintsuu is better

[tranquil hedge]

i'll get there but only later

[sterile bluff]

👍

[shell heron]

Juneau is a game changer

[sterile bluff]

lol

[tranquil hedge]

i'll put her in dorms at least for now

[shell heron]

she dies for our victories

[tranquil hedge]

she is still 22

[sterile bluff]

i kinda feel bad for using juneau...

so i don't use her

[tranquil hedge]

well thanks for the help, i think i'll just not rush it and get there eventually

[sterile bluff]

imagine rushing

[shell heron]

Shame you missed on formidable. Centaur/Formi has scary crash damage against IJN meta

[sterile bluff]

i missed formi too...

[tranquil hedge]

what im really sad about is that i missed Noshiro

[sterile bluff]

^^^ that too

[tranquil hedge]

both because she is good but also because her artwork is the best in the game in my opinion

😄

[sterile bluff]

i missed so much good shit smh

at least we should be getting amagi soon

and amagi is

[tranquil hedge]

i was hoping Intrepid would be a good alternative for Essex

[sterile bluff]

she kind of is but...

[tranquil hedge]

but from what i heard it is not the case

[sterile bluff]

ehh

[tranquil hedge]

any of the new ships have potential in PVP? Bremerton or Reno?

[sterile bluff]

idk

[elder crane]

Hmmm
Noshiro Azuma Ibuki or Noshiro Azuma Yukikaze?
I think the former is more troublesome to face, what do you think?

No new ships viable in PvP

[sterile bluff]

nanoda

is

life

use

[elder crane]

Reno is worse Sandyret, and Sandyret isn't even meta

[sterile bluff]

nanoda

[elder crane]

Brem falls under "lol gunboat, loooool CA"

wait, probably other way around

"lol CA, looooool gunboat"

[shell heron]

For defense. Noshiro/Azuma/Ibuki sounds worse to deal with

[elder crane]

that's what I was thinking

highroll those torps

actually, I don't have any specific equip on Ibuki

[sterile bluff]

do u guys use 76 or twin 100 for nanoda?

[elder crane]

I could just use ykkz for offense

[shell heron]

I'm already running for torp def

[elder crane]

twin 100 mm, shore up one of her weaknesses a bit

[sterile bluff]

why not 76? don't want barrage proc?

[elder crane]

no Azuma
🚮

[shell heron]

not 120

[elder crane]

barrage proc is nice
but ykkz is about not dying

[sterile bluff]

lol

[elder crane]

100 mm means she dies even less

[sterile bluff]

does it?

[elder crane]

more AA

[sterile bluff]

cuz of AA?

oh

lol

[elder crane]

yep
given her low AA, it makes quite a difference

despite Hiryuu being the only real CV on defense, that's still useful enough imo

[shell heron]

Her barrage isn't too impressive in terms of damage imo

[sterile bluff]

fair point

[elder crane]

for a defense team, even more so to be better vs FC and to dunk on Foxes/Enty even harder

[tranquil hedge]

also, i just realized, are torps ships only viable in pvp with homing torpedoes?

[elder crane]

pretty much on offense

otherwise waaaay too RNG

[tranquil hedge]

where do i get good homing torps?

[elder crane]

IronBlood boxes

for now, that's your only way

[shell heron]

I thought there was some in an old Ironblood event

or was that for quints only

[tranquil hedge]

are gold ones available in boxes? also i either need quints or quads, right?

[elder crane]

If Spee event gets archived, well SP3 there has it, but not worth farming imo
if DC event gets archived, there's somewhere worth farming in

[shell heron]

quads are better

[elder crane]

quint rainbows are event-only and you've missed them at this point, with no ETA on when/if it'll be available again

rainbow mags have been MiA for, what, 2 years now in CN server?

[sterile bluff]

i don't get why everyone says quint homing gold is absolute garbage, it does less dps than quad homing gold but only by a bit. 22.77 vs 20 i believe

[elder crane]

and like 8-9 months for us iirc

the issue is the wider spread for lower damage per torp

[sterile bluff]

it's homing tho

[elder crane]

and it also lines up poorly timing-wise, usually

[sterile bluff]

with what

[elder crane]

around first reload of quad magtorps is the most you can expect most vanguards to consistently survive

gold quint will reload after airstrikes/mk6/amagi second shelling/etc hit your vanguard

[sterile bluff]

does rainbow quint have like a lot faster reload?

[elder crane]

somewhat, but still noticably longer than quads, which is why some ships in some comps arguably still prefer quads over rainbow quints

[sterile bluff]

huh ok

[tranquil hedge]

well this is all i have for now

[elder crane]

Basically, if you can get in an extra reload of quads over the rainbow quints, it's worth it

and gold quint is only about equal, maybe slightly better, than quads if it can reload the same number of times

[sterile bluff]

u could use the quad purples

and gold quints

give jintsuu and yuki the gold quints and quad purple on juneau

[jagged steppe]

yo give me some point

[sterile bluff]

nani?

bruh why u using enty

[jagged steppe]

@shell heron give me some point

[shell heron]

nah, i'll still be sandbagging to recover from yesterday

I'll move one match for you tho

[jagged steppe]

will I actually gaining anypoint rofl

[shell heron]

nope

[sterile bluff]

why can't gameplay help be like this channel 😦

i love this channel so much more

[shell heron]

inb4 pvp is split up in to categories. pvp help, pvp general, and pvp memes

[sterile bluff]

D:

what happened?

[shell heron]

we're good. they need to make multiple clubs for pvp if they want to keep things focused

[tough dirge]

[elder crane]

we're good, they would need to kill #pvp by splitting it into many different dead chats if they want to keep things focused

[tranquil hedge]

so, which is the better choice? i have to make the same choice for both Ayanami and Belfast

[sterile bluff]

hmmm, i use quint 533 on aya cuz i've never tried quad purple

u have 2 gold quints right?

give them to aya and jintsuu

and give the third a quad 533 non homing

or the homing

[tranquil hedge]

i'll keep that in mind for when i actually get Jintsuu, thanks

[silent yew]

hello
i want some suggestions plz
currently using Warkai entry and sara kai
laffey kai. belfast . portland kai
who should i change and to who ?

keep in mind i join game last iron blood event re-run so i don't have good ships like Nagato...etc

[forest lake]

What else do you have

Juneau and Ykkz to replace Laffey and Port

[silent yew]

i don't think i have that much good ships ..
but any availbale ones ? i can grind as much as needed OwO
i'm currently lvling the 2 u told me about i have pearl's tear for juneau too

[forest lake]

I'd say QE WarKai Monarch if you can

Or WarKai Monarch Centaur

Unless you have Formi then WarKai Centaur Formi would be best

[sour oasis]

I thought I was beating up a 13k/13k team (around 880 points/rank 1400 on Avrora) and left my phone. I came back and saw I was handily wiped out by at least Azuma/Noshiro and FdG/Amagi/Hiryu (I assume Juneau was in there).

[silent yew]

Noshiro is rly good i guess
she can hit 5k points easily

oh i can do QE warkai and moranch i have them all but need lvl " except warkai she's 120 already"
what Dev lvl Moranch become usefull ?
i don't have centaur nor formidal
i'll check if i can get them or not
"i can grind as much as needed to get the ship i want/need"

i see.. so i can't get formidable but i can get centaur from building...
well i'm trying to get Taihou as well so i might get centaur too
for now maybe i'll try leveling moranch and QE
and maybe using is better than QE ? or QE's boost is better that using hood instead ?

[forest lake]

Hood doesn't really do much damage

Boost from QE should be more beneficial

[sour oasis]

My great fear is that finished (dev-30+) Dev-ships are going to be more common in PvP flex defense fleets.

[hot creek]

it wont. EN too casual

but you will see some dev 20 Azumas tho

[sour oasis]

I really should have seen what dev that Azuma and FdG were at

[silent ocean]

always see pr ships in def fleets like why

just sand bag we all here to get points 😦

[hot creek]

PR ships for flexin

[midnight heron]

ppl worrying about pr def fleets when torp meme is still the real deal

[sterile bluff]

twerp memes

[elder crane]

Also
Fleet power isn't a good indicator of how good the setup is
Oxytorps easily puts vanguard at 15k+, but then they'll die to a stiff breeze

[sterile bluff]

just curious is it possible to get 17k fleet power?

if u stack 457s on dev30 fdg and warkai

and some other extreme statted BB

[zenith tundra]

maybe on vg stacking oxys. on main not sure with 2 z flags maxed

[sterile bluff]

always thought main had a lot more fleet power

at least that's my comp

[zenith tundra]

my z flags are only +6 and for vg i miss 2nd rainbow quint and not 200 oath sandy

they both seem similar

[sterile bluff]

why suruga?

[zenith tundra]

200 affection and extra torp stat

[sterile bluff]

suruga has torp stat?

wait hold on

waiiiiiiiiiiit...

why tf does suruga have torp stat...

my brain is hurting

[forest lake]

Same reason why Amagi does

[sterile bluff]

holy shit brain expansion moment

[zenith tundra]

they have torpedoes in barrage

[sterile bluff]

oh yea u r right

so that's why

why do z flags give so much power?

shouldn't shells give the most?

[zenith tundra]

because it's rainbow rarity

[sterile bluff]

i thought power was based on how much stats it gave

and higher rarity tend to give more stats

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Combat#Ship_Power_Rating

look at equipment gains for stuff

it's much more then gold ones

it takes extra 175 (non hp) stats for a gold gear to beat a rainbow one in power

[sterile bluff]

Oh shit... didnt know it was that complex

[vague token]

oops dropped a match

was distracted

[zenith tundra]

did u lose?

[vague token]

yeah xD

i was trying some new stuff

[zenith tundra]

that's a bad combo

trying new stuff and not paying attention

[vague token]

it's fine, i still need 2 more cudas

[zenith tundra]

isn't that like 2 more months tho?

[vague token]

yep

xD

[shell heron]

join me in the afked club

[zenith tundra]

993 5/10 could be worse considering how bad my early was

[forest lake]

979 5/10

Prolly missed one

[zenith tundra]

seems so

[ionic magnet]

989 5/10

bad bonus is bad

[zenith tundra]

today was the 1st time i got 5 bonuses in 1 reset outside of 1st reset

[shell heron]

I forgot to check mines

966 5/10

pretty bad start and lost a match

[vague token]

969 with -1 match xD

[weak orbit]

is z flag good for pvp?

[zenith tundra]

never

since mikasa is really bad for pvp due to low hp

[weak orbit]

Ah gotcha

[zenith tundra]

no other ships ships should ever equip it

[upper sparrow]

z-flag is usable for fleet power meme isnt it, or am i wrong?

[zenith tundra]

that's about it. and fleet power meme is not really pvp

[tough dirge]

if only i were l100+ as well

[jagged steppe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lDf8tI3qRQ
@shell heron

AHAHAHAH

[forest lake]

[jagged steppe]

is this loss

[proper sorrel]

is Juneu, Ykk, Noshiro, Amagi, Nagato, Hiryuu Retrofit fleet ok?

[zenith tundra]

sounds like best meta fleet rn till azuma gets to dev 20-25

[proper sorrel]

mk

[ionic magnet]

@jagged steppe lol gj

so how many resets was that

[empty grove]

If I had to reset that much i'd never touch PVP again in my life

[zenith tundra]

[forest lake]

[jagged steppe]

vs torpmeme 5-10

normally around 3 if I use yukikaze instead of mont

[silent yew]

what the most ipmoratnt thing ? fleet ponts ? ships levels ? or ships formation?

[lapis bolt]

@jagged steppe how do you enjoy that huge meme of a fleet?

Great, innit?

??? Something like this?

[jagged steppe]

what

[lapis bolt]

Reset heaven

DW @forest lake resets a ton on this too

[forest lake]

I beat your fleet in 1 try last season

[jagged steppe]

I dont reset alot vs warspite

I reset alot vs hiryuu

why is that ship even exists

[forest lake]

Ye I reset mostly on Hiryuu nowadays

Which is bullshit cuz my last HMS fleet did well against Hiryuu but somehow not against other comps but my current one is the reverse

[jagged steppe]

I dont reset alot vs hiryuu juno

but hiryuu torpmeme is disaster

[ripe latch]

[lapis bolt]

@forest lake

My hiryuu is ready to make you reset again

[zenith tundra]

@silent yew ships levels is top priority. then team composition. fleet power is a semi meme stat unless u know around what power bis teams tend to be. usually high fleet power for vg means bad gear while 15k+ is usually bis 3 bb max oath.

[silent yew]

so i gotta grind more ...

[lapis bolt]

Fleet Power is usually meaningless once you reach a certain tier

[zenith tundra]

u take 2% more damage and deal 2% less damage for level under the opponent

[silent yew]

i'm around rank 200 to 500

want to get in 100

[lapis bolt]

Usually approx 12000FP onwards is pointless. It just means that the person has approx 4000FP per ship, which is extremely normal for a geared ship

If you want to hit top 100, you need to start sandbagging

It's really that simple

[silent yew]

sandbagging?

[zenith tundra]

if u want high score u need to always attack opponents higher rank then u and never lose. sandbagging does help

[lapis bolt]

Sandbagging is the process of letting your opponent get 35 - 45 points ahead of you in PVP PTS

I believe it is 35

But I can't really remember

[silent yew]

yea i know how score points work. but sometimes i'm out of refreshes so i lose to the current 4 oppements

[lapis bolt]

Basically, for every X amount of points ahead of you, you get +1 point for that

[zenith tundra]

u need to level up then and eventually get a better team

[lapis bolt]

So, in short, you can get an excessive amount of point per sandbag which most players do not bother with

Additionally, BiS ships can really help you out greatly in PvP

[silent yew]

yea i found good team i guess
warkai entry sara kai
ykk belfast and juneau
i just need to lvl some of them
gonna change entry and sara kai with QE and moranch when i hit dev 20 for moranch

[forest lake]

@lapis bolt

[lapis bolt]

Ships like Warspite Kai + Amagi can insta-snipe a single lane and clear it out on the get-go

[silent yew]

i joined game last iron blood re-run so i do't have most god ships like amagi and nagao

[lapis bolt]

Hiryuu Kai is an underarmored theme CV that allows you 14 seconds of invulnerability

[silent yew]

i don't have her yet . i would've used her intead os sara kai

[lapis bolt]

Hiryuu is not that hard to pick up

[silent yew]

of*

[jovial sedge]

Jesus just had to fight worst cancer ever team... that azuma is pure BS.... broken beyonf sane reasoning

[silent yew]

she's in build right ?
i'm not lucky enough/i'm f2p so idon't have that much of cubes . i save them for event ships 90% of the time

[lapis bolt]

@silent yew hiryuu is a grind ship

[silent yew]

i met FDG 120 full dev 😄

wait what ? grind ship ? WICH MAP ??

[jovial sedge]

And thats not even full dev think... bs bs bs bs

[lapis bolt]

I have azuma and she is worse than FdG

[jovial sedge]

She is vanguard...

[lapis bolt]

Azuma is a BB but in the vanguard slot

[zenith tundra]

fdg won't be a problem till dev 25 when she just tanks a lot

[silent yew]

yea ik. he said azuma broken beyond reason. i told him about 120 fdg full dev ...

well they're both broken

[jovial sedge]

But that doesnt change subject azuma got no par no concurence nothing

[silent yew]

but fdg full dev.... is too OP to beat
i can't even think of it xd
well same goes for azumma tho

[jovial sedge]

Bleh

[zenith tundra]

ws with 457 is way worse the fdg

[silent yew]

457 ?

[zenith tundra]

rainbow gun

from pr2

[silent yew]

ah the rainbow gun

i have 8/50 of it xdd

[frail orbit]

Aint she kinda need it tho

If for early snipe

[silent yew]

was planning to give to warkai the moment i get it xd

[frail orbit]

But on HPFCR Wakai perhaps

[silent yew]

HPFCR ?

[zenith tundra]

eating 2.5k-3k shells doesn't really matter if it's 15s or 17s

[frail orbit]

High performance fcr

[jovial sedge]

Hmm kinda slwoly happens what ive fearef will have to go out of pvp with the increasing shit >< hmm had to reset that fight 6-7 times

[frail orbit]

Sure but . . .

The point isnt on her snipe barrage

Since its timed anyway

[silent yew]

should i change my gears for her ?

[zenith tundra]

a lot tbh

[forest lake]

[silent yew]

"ised the firs ssr gears i get on her since my fave"

first*

[forest lake]

Gold doesn't mean good

[zenith tundra]

switch gun to 410 ap or 406 mk6 and at least black shell to sg radar. also use staag aa if u have it

[forest lake]

And that applies to a lot of gear
Tho that gun is good, just not that great on her

[silent yew]

ik
i wasn't that informed about the game so i just used ssr and didn't care to change

[lapis bolt]

@silent yew Yingyang shells are not good for PVP IMO

[silent yew]

i heared that gun works best on Hood
i gave her one too

[lapis bolt]

Warkai is better with hydraulic to force people to miss

Remember, missing is better than landing out more firepower

[silent yew]

u mean. evading ?

[marsh bane]

yes

[lapis bolt]

Warkai vs warkai/ warkai vs backline is more about how much damage you can evade than how much damage you can deal out

There is no way you are getting out of a warkai vs warkai by skill activation, so evading is still the best mechanic to abuse

As for warkai vs other backliners, she cannot OHKO yet.

[silent yew]

i used this shells just to see some 1-shots xd

so anyways
What gears works better ?

[lapis bolt]

Right now, even with Amagi's help, her damage is still insufficient to insta-proc Hiryuu

Something to boost your hitrate AND evasion

I recommend HGFCR if you have it, if not, normal fire control radar is good too

This will vastly boost Warkai's hit accuracy

The second slot should be something that boosts your evasion stat

[zenith tundra]

switch gun to 410 ap or 406 mk6 and at least black shell to sg radar. also use staag aa if u have it.

[whole terrace]

From the pinned guide

[lapis bolt]

Something like PR Hydraulics is extremely good for Warkai

for AA, use STAAG to further increase her hit rate

A miss shot for warkai is effectively 10K to 18K damage gone to the drain

[silent yew]

yea
i wanted to kill myself when i saw a miss on enemy's enty

xd

[lapis bolt]

She can't kill enty in 1 shot anyway

Not without rainbow gun

[silent yew]

ik but still she can deal most damage

[zenith tundra]

ws cannot kill enty in 1 shoot even with qe buff and 2 shells tbh even if she hits both shells. u need mg to kill enty after

[silent yew]

btw does QE's boost keep working even if she sinks ?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[silent yew]

so i can use her even at her current lvl 100..
just need more dev for moranch

i'll change warkai gears now
Thx a lot

ah for yingyang shells
Since i bought them and they cost quite a lot
i'de feel bad if i don't use them on some ships
moranch works good withthem ?

[lapis bolt]

I have a 120 QE and I am telling you that it is not worth it unless you are doing something pepega like full HMS team

Even then, you want to avoid that rubbish

[zenith tundra]

black shell has no place in pvp and white shell can only be used by ws

[silent yew]

F

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^

Also

laugh in Dido

But well

QE as AR anyway

[lapis bolt]

Dido cannot save QE

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Ye ikr

[lapis bolt]

Do you know what can, though?

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As I said

[lapis bolt]

A retrofit

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Dud

[zenith tundra]

dido was qe retro

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I said that already

[lapis bolt]

And QE has a very high chance of getting a retrofit sooner or later

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I said that

QE is AR

[silent yew]

i guess prinz gonna be next retro tho
"1 UR retro per fanction"

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@lapis bolt

[silent yew]

that's what the rumors said in CN

i guess

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Also stop discrediting her anyway