pvp

[shy hazel]

pvp is extra

[empty grove]

My notifs don't work

[shell heron]

I turned off those notifications

[vague token]

i only use like the research one

[shy hazel]

i only turn on comms

[empty grove]

Tell you what fucking notif I wish would vanish tho

This pile of shit

[shy hazel]

ye

[vague token]

agree

[empty grove]

Has been there since cats released

[shy hazel]

still havent fixed

[shell heron]

nope

[vague token]

i hate it

[shell heron]

just like the iPad gear loadout bug

[empty grove]

Ipad gear loadout?

Ohh like dropdown freezing?

It does that on all tablets I think

[shell heron]

yes, that preset menu overlaps with current equip bar

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

resolutions got screwed since new ui

[vague token]

oh wow

that's eww

[empty grove]

Yeah

Does that on my tablet

[shell heron]

fun bug

[empty grove]

Feature at this point

I give up on anything getting fixed

Less headaches

[shell heron]

it is a mobile game after all

a tablet isn't exactly mobile

[hot creek]

hey man, you never know. My "conserve energy" sign got fixed after I reported it.

well. "fixed"

[empty grove]

Wait

It legit got fixed?

[shell heron]

I remember when Amagi barrage had a "feature"

wasn't the spread on that pretty much 0 on release

[hot creek]

"fixed" https://puu.sh/F4StC/d2a6542409.png

it went back to being english

[vague token]

oh god

it's mirrored

[empty grove]

You're shitting me

[vague token]

xD

[hot creek]

but yeah lol

[empty grove]

That legit made me laugh irl

[vague token]

is it like that on the other wall?

[empty grove]

That's so damn good

[hot creek]

I have to report it again but ive been lazy

[shell heron]

"feature"

[shy hazel]

ill report it then

[hot creek]

yeah its kind of growing on me tbh

[empty grove]

From Kanji to mirrored text

[hot creek]

maybe thats why i havent reported it again

[empty grove]

Mirrored kanji when

Go back & double down

[shy hazel]

[shy hazel]

kiro

lets go wuhan

i pay your plane fees

[hot creek]

them tickets are probably cheap right now anyways

[zenith tundra]

shouldn't it be in quarantine or something? kind of hard to think u can just go there like that

[shy hazel]

sshh

im trying to reduce memers in pvp

[zenith tundra]

better just delete the channel then...

[blazing scroll]

For every memer that falls, 10 more will take his place

[vague token]

the memes are eternal

[smoky elk]

the memes are inevitable

[zenith tundra]

memes die with memers. once all memers are gone there will be no more memes

[smoky elk]

new memers will emerge from ashes, as always

[cloud pumice]

I'm running 3 HMS BB comp and Hiryuu is my biggest nightmare. Would swapping KGV to QE help maybe?

[high bay]

i dont have problems dealing with hiryuu when i use hood, QE, warkai

warkai snipes hiryuu and then hood barrage proc to force hiryuu to do her 1hp invul asap

idk about kgv cause i dont have her

[sharp wing]

Just don't snipe hiryu and leave her for last ez

that's the common mistake ppl do

[cloud pumice]

If I snipe her I lose too much dmg and remaining two are a problem. If I ignore her I'm left with BBs at <50% hp to tank two or more airstrikes without VG :/

Sooner or later I win, but this morning I spent 15 mins resetting

[high bay]

hmmm i might just been fighting weak hiryuus

[sharp wing]

Is yr fleet all 120?

[upper sparrow]

in my experience i put warkai snipe hiryuu first if i use wfc/warkai centaur enty comp, if using 3 bb snipe hiryuu first will wasting bb shell on her tho

[cloud pumice]

Nep is 112 only, rest is maxed and oathed

I just thought that maybe QE's boost to AA and EVA will help in those sitatuions when my back needs to tank airstrikes without VG

[sharp wing]

if u make WS snipe hiryuu and also put other barrage bote opposing to her, u just block all yr damage, 2 ws barrages, barrage bote in front hiryuu and most of 1st salvos in 1st 2 volleys

3 bb with 50% hp should have 0 issue taking 1-2 hiryuu barrages/airstrikes anyway...

it's not even IJN bbs with 0 aa

[cloud pumice]

Usually they do, but sometimes I get shitty runs like today and it's just too risky :/

guess RNG is RNG

[zenith tundra]

make sure u use evasion gear on ur bb. not gonna win if u cannot outlast namagi even without hiryuu

[cloud pumice]

atm I run double SG on everyone

[upper sparrow]

tbh i kinda feared namagi enty more than hiryuu now. Man, enemy' RNG is kinda broken sometime

[zenith tundra]

u can switch 1 sg for rudder

[sharp wing]

How risky is too risky for you?..

maybe that's the problem

[cloud pumice]

Hard to answer that lol. It's when I feel bad crit or no misses means I'll lose maybe? Or when nanoda is alive and right in face of my last BB?

[zenith tundra]

do u have seattle gun yet?

[cloud pumice]

nope

[sharp wing]

I mean if u have like 3 bb at 20%

and hiryuu to be next shot

that's not risky

[cloud pumice]

3 at 20% will take 1 airstrike for sure

but 2nd will kill them imo

[zenith tundra]

when u get one put it on ws. it should take care of yukikaze

[upper sparrow]

oh well nah btw is seattle gun good on noshi? or should i stick with single 150?

[sharp wing]

By the time she launch second she is dead

[zenith tundra]

i would go for 150 on noshiro since seattle gun is much more important for bb

[sharp wing]

In case of Noshi it's not worth

In case of say Bel 100%

[cloud pumice]

Ok, thx for advices :)
As a side thing, why do we (EN) prefer KGV while CN lists QE? Is that coz of Azuma's dmg on VG?

[sharp wing]

Those CN lists are probably pre KGV event

kgv only this summer

cn pvp environment overall had a bit different lifespan

cause of different release

they already had PR2 by the time KGV came etc.

[cloud pumice]

hmm this one is 14/08, so might be not updated, true
https://i.redd.it/3lgogrygsfg31.png

[zenith tundra]

i think it depends on what cn runs as aux usually. the more defense opponents have the less useful ws sniping is and qe buff. if i were to run what cn recommends on namaryuu i would reset randomly against nakagas in jp

[sharp wing]

well, ws qe mona is also legit as kgv mona/qe ws anyway, they also dun have FC comp etc. so it's njot really updated and they won't bother to change much anyway or not like many ppl use HMS in cn in summer 2k19

[zenith tundra]

also having namagi ws tiered higher then namaryuu when namagi ws cannot consistently beat amagi ws fdg is a joke imo

then again that is pre heavy armor hiryuu

[jovial sedge]

After 4 monte and 4 doggo white version dd, finally DIDO... Now I can build the ultimate fleet : formi,ilu,dido class vanguard with gueen to create ultimate teasing experience for the queen

[cloud pumice]

New 134mm AA gun on Neptune. Yay or Nay?

[zenith tundra]

if u don't need good AA should be fine

[sharp wing]

New aa is basically only good if u can sacrifice AA for FP buff, since it's lowest dps gold aa by far, it has very slow reload

basically 113 but much much slower

And for main ships and CAs u better off with ACC buff from staag anyway

[shy hazel]

its fake aa

its just aux that increases fp

[zenith tundra]

which is fine for pvp meta post fdg

[frail orbit]

More like

An AA gun that should be on DD gun

[zenith tundra]

the only dd in pvp doesn't even want that tho

[sharp wing]

This gun is rather good for some pve use tho

namely for gun DDs

[past egret]

How good Is the Doolittle raid skills found on wasp and ShangriLa

It doesn’t state the damage, but the amount of bombs it throws out seems decent

[midnight heron]

they doo little dmg
||i actually dunno if its true im just making a pun||

[zenith tundra]

@past egret event hard mode

not bad considering only level 101 and light armor enemy

[past egret]

I’m curious to see if the doo little bombers make any sort of difference in pvp

Decent boss damage too

[shy hazel]

oh

u got her now

[zenith tundra]

if u mean shangri no

i never used her

[ripe latch]

sendai + azuma, its meme compilation?

secret zack tactics

[zenith tundra]

no reason to ever use sendai without foxes plus u lose so much for using her

[frail orbit]

@midnight heron too little dmg from doolittle keks

[ripe latch]

foxs trash

[past egret]

[frail orbit]

@ripe latch amagi fox too but no trash

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

Wasp is pretty bad, cause lul damage + only 80% avi

but other 2 are ok

they are pretty bad compared to thing like taihoe anyway

they are comparable to dragons barrages

at max roll

[sharp wing]

[abstract umbra]

is nagato amagi warspite or nagato amagi hiryuu better

[sharp wing]

Hiryuu is more safe option tbh and she counters enemy nukers like same warspite

using namawarspite and targeting enemy hiryu 1st can make yr namaspite reset, lul

[shell heron]

But I like targeting the enemy hiryuu first

Amagi and WS sniping her gives me an early proc

[sharp wing]

makes her block 2 ws barrages and amagi barrages

and 1st salvos in 1-2 ws volleys

I had reset 2 times using namaspite and going for ryuu 1st, it's very iffy

while deleting another flank is pretty easy -1 after 15 seconds

making warspite work as intended

6 vs 5 battle

idk why would u cucc yrself by not using ws intended tactic

[cloud pumice]

on the other hand Hiryuu will still tank those shots at some point in fight - if not as the first target then as the last, meaning you won't have VG buffer for her airstrikes

idk what's the rule, sometimes it's easier to go for Amagi, but sometimes nuking Hiryuu works better for me

[sharp wing]

hiryuu airstrikes not an issue

also it's worse when you proc her early

she softens yr fleet till enemy still 6

you don't get intended upper hand with ws

[cloud pumice]

yeah, I agree. But as I said, sometimes it works better - especially if Amagi is running armor or rudder

[sharp wing]

amagi always runs that

[cloud pumice]

then I'm lucky, I don't meet those that often 😛

[sharp wing]

Hiryuu has much higher chacnes to evade than amagi in any scenario

unless u meme double offense items

[shell heron]

I should try targeting Amagi for a bit.

[vague token]

i prefer targeting hiryuu cause triple low aa bbs tanking 2 air strikes is worse than having the vanguard do it (triple cl)

plus i have 3 heavies

so who cares about barrages

xD

[jagged steppe]

use kaga and akagi with fast load lv1 to counter belfast

[sharp wing]

Use Aurora to counter Bel

[hot creek]

Always snipe enemy Hiryuu

Also I think I was getting burned by a seattle gun Belfast earlier

Damn game keeps giving me trash AA guns instead of seattle gun

[shell heron]

Early proc on hiryuu has been really nice.

That way it doesnt come down to main fleet fight where she roach her way to victory

Not like her planes hurt too much. Junie have more AA than you would think

[hot creek]

An unprocced Hiryuu in a backline showdown is indeed your biggest lose condition. Aim at Hiryuu. Dont be a clown who gets baited into aiming at rudder armor Amagi

[empty owl]

Um is there any reason in particular why Yukikaze is so popular in PVP

[shell heron]

She is a roach that has main fleet protection

Also

NANODA

[empty owl]

B-but Fortune has her skills but better

Just minus the healing

[shell heron]

Fortune is chance of proccing at 30% every 20s

Nanoda is active 25% dmg to 1 all the time

[empty owl]

Y-ya....

Sorry

Just thinking

[shell heron]

Fortune was viable early on

Early pvp days

[empty owl]

Even if she's teamed up with QE ?

[shell heron]

Sounds like hms comp there.

But if you mean now, no.

That is adding more evasion to a very high evasion ship

Diminishing return and all

Yukikaze filles that role even better. Lower % protection but DD evasion with extra level of dmg reduction

[empty owl]

Umu ok

[sour oasis]

Was there ever a top 10 ships PvP players hate to see on defense? And are there any PR ships there on it? (I'm feeling crappy when I see a 120 oathed Neptune now)

[sharp wing]

There is only one ship yet, HiryuuKai

Later there will be Azuma and FdG

FdG is like 4 months at least later tho

[hot creek]

Neptune is the best girl.

[sharp wing]

Nep is cocky waitress

[hot creek]

Goddess Neptune is to be worshipped.

[sharp wing]

There is only one goddess and it's not nepdork

[hot creek]

You should be grateful our Goddess takes on such a humble form of that is a waitress.

[sharp wing]

humble when she sleeps tightly maybe...

[hot creek]

Neptune only wants the best from you. And in doing so, you shall be rewarded accordingly.

[stable dawn]

[sharp wing]

Too bad what she thinks is a "reward" is not a good thing

[shell heron]

I love my maid waitress

[empty owl]

She's no Belfast but she's ok

[sharp wing]

Wholesome maid that wants only the best for her master ...

[hot creek]

More like, thirsty maid who wants only the D.

[vague token]

i dont hate hiryuu

if anything i hate nagato for creeping faction buffs too high

at least amagi can be paired with any faction

but nagato puts the Faction Buffer bar so high it isnt even funny

plus big seven

[red nexus]

I think if nagato didn't have the barrage noone would use her

[vague token]

she'd still be better than qe xD

[upper sparrow]

QE kai with hms big seven when

[sharp wing]

Yr a memer.

I'd rather want Rodney give buff, than Qe having barrage

QE shall forever live in 🚮

[hot creek]

I still cant believe they removed the angry QE emote. Dumbass mods/admins.

[sharp wing]

🚮

[past egret]

They did?

WGAT

This is disappointing

Also QE kai would be NuTTY

Might as well give her Nagato abilities and just give each nation a faction purist ship

IJN Nagato HMS QEKai USS.. idk

KMS has Bismarck

France Richelieu Italy has that one girl

If they did that though they’d be opening the meta up to much so they’d have to release yamato to rebalance into IJN only meta

[zenith tundra]

bismark is trash tho. qe won't get a retro and uss might or might not get a flagship

[vague token]

bismarck is more like hyper niche

she does her job well

aka pretend to be a MGM+1 cl

xD

and then you run out of ammo and do no damage

kek

[zenith tundra]

for pvp she is trash

[vague token]

i wont defend her on that one xD

i used her at 120 for a while in pvp

;)

was fun but her range boost doesnt really matter enough and the pvp penalty stacking with the cl gun penalty the way it does it really bad

cause nep gun covers plenty of screen space anyways

[zenith tundra]

i'm waiting on my last 32 fdg bps to test bismark fdg amagi but don't think can even be close to namagi fdg

[vague token]

reee

she doesnt even buff All Crit

like noshiro

it only buffs primary weapons

which means that her own barrage is unbuffed

like what even is that design

[zenith tundra]

it's an interesting buff to stack with fdg skill tho

[vague token]

too bad it doesnt buff fdg barrage

_>

[zenith tundra]

her barrage is more of a fire source then actual dmg

[past egret]

BISMARCK SUPREME PVP FLAGSHIP JAJAJAJAJJA

[vague token]

i mean who knows, 20% crit rate on it would be pretty nice

[past egret]

Bismarck herself doesn’t seem awful in pvp, now her barrage, that’s awful

It’s horrifically bad

For a ship “infused” with siren technology, she’s trashhhh

[vague token]

she doesnt have any of her siren based attacks though

if she did we'd have the black hole attack

which would actually work really well with her cl gun skill

if it like pulled enemy ships into it temporarily

[past egret]

Or the sniping skill

What ever she used against hood

[vague token]

watch them add a gear that gives her that

it was like rhine drill or something

i forget

[past egret]

Who knows maybe once siren versions of ships like Enty takao become available in PR10 will get them

[zenith tundra]

buffing 900 dmg is not that important when fdg can crit almost 5k with mg on crit cycle

[vague token]

[empty grove]

[deft flicker]

R1 with 1 spare exercise is good yea?

[hot creek]

If your only goal is to aotn, maybe.

[elder crane]

wait wait wait

how come I'm ahead of you in points

with 5 matches dropped

in any case, should be good for AotN rush

[vague token]

wait you're over 1900 with 5 dropped?

im like down 4 but im at 1855

xD

[elder crane]

1839 9/10 with 5 dropped

[vague token]

oh ok

i was like nani

blue breaking the game

makes more sense now

[past egret]

I finally found him

My next video is gonna be straight clowning this man

[hot creek]

who

[upper sparrow]

@elder crane @vague token you guys will rush AoTN on friday or later? is it even possible to do rush AoTN friday when u get dropped attempt?

[zenith tundra]

it's better to wait

do it on saturday or sunday

[hot creek]

how many points and charges to you have atm? we can do a rough estimation if you're be able to rush on friday or not.

[shell heron]

I feel like eating that +0 rn

Or wait for Mucha Kucha to move

why is getting a +1 this difficult

[cursive sky]

Azuma worth using at dev15 with her gun?

[upper sparrow]

how many points and charges to you have atm? we can do a rough estimation if you're be able to rush on friday or not.

i almost have same point and charge like blue and kiro @hot creek

just 2-3 point difference

[zenith tundra]

@cursive sky she should be ok. i started using her at dev 20 in namaryuu and she was dealing more damage on average then ibuki and way more consistent too.

[hot creek]

I need the numbers, Mason. Tell me the numbers.

[upper sparrow]

1874 5/10 rn @hot creek

[keen sparrow]

no +1 since ytd

[shell heron]

the man is finally moving

I'll wait 2 more minutes

no 1 more

I'm already pushing it.

got all 5 matches left

got my +1

[jovial sedge]

🤔

[hot creek]

@upper sparrow looks like you won't have enough points for first gensui wave but you could probably do it second wave on friday.

[shell heron]

oh boy. fdg and azuma are already getting pretty tanky

I can't wait for dev30 ones

@empty grove Hi

[empty grove]

You feel my pain of having to refresh on 6/10 now

[shell heron]

I had to refresh at 7/10 because chance of being stalled

almost got torp memed by noshiro/ibuki too

[vague token]

just use your own noshiro to cancel it out

[shell heron]

just 5 more levels

[midnight heron]

new meta

[shell heron]

inb4 powercreeped by empress

[charred sable]

One rank away..

Missing 5 attacks on the first day of the season is suffering

[hot creek]

dang I just realized I never had a fubuki until now

[midnight heron]

sad ayaya noises

anyway someone made a hit/eva rate calculator https://azurlane-1fec5.web.app/ (from some post on reddit)

[zenith tundra]

messed around with that calc. it's pretty good but has 2 problems. 1st no oath stats and 2nd it doesn't round properly when stats are buffed by % like nagato acc buff so it shows higher/lower values then supposed (i assume the game never works with decimals)

[midnight heron]

guess im lucky i got no oath tho i cant comment on the % stats since i dont use the formulas myself ||dont judge me||

[zenith tundra]

i tried using the formulas from wiki page on same stats and the hit rating was like 0.2% higher because when adding a 20% acc buff it didn't round down the value. it's not a big deal just a bit inaccurate

[high bay]

what bb aux gun do i use if no gold belgun and nepgun?

[sharp wing]

tbsk

[zenith tundra]

either tbtsk or purple belgun. but don't bother maxing belgun

[sharp wing]

U should have few tbsk maxed

since it's main pve gun till u get nepguns and pr2 gun

[zenith tundra]

forgot tbtsk is actually usable

[sharp wing]

tbsk is still main gun on en

ppl barely have any pr2 guns

[zenith tundra]

do people not use nepgun at all...

[sharp wing]

and few nepguns

all my nepguns sit on pvp fleet

and i dun swap gears for pve

With pr2 guns I will swap nepguns back for pve use

[zenith tundra]

i have 6 seattle gun and i would want another 2-3

[sharp wing]

most ppl on en have 0

I don't take other regions even into account

it's En after all

[zenith tundra]

i was just saying u'll want a lot of them if u use 3 for pvp only

[sharp wing]

duh, cap

[high bay]

maybe i should just put my nepgun on the BB instead of edinburgh

[zenith tundra]

even in pve is better to put nepgun on bb then on vg

in pvp is much more worth since vg don't even to that much dmg to begin with

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

no

u is losers

[zenith tundra]

kind of expected but still wtf

[sharp wing]

shelling RNG

[zenith tundra]

457 melting stuff more like

[sharp wing]

ws can also deal 10-11k sometimes cause rng

[elder crane]

Ehh, 6 Nepguns for me, mostly enough to go around

[zenith tundra]

well it's a bit worse when u need 2 seattle gun just for seattle and u are leveling her up

[sharp wing]

I got 4

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

[past egret]

@zenith tundra what’s on your tirp

[zenith tundra]

i was just trying with 457 on her

[past egret]

Is it better on her over Bisko?

[zenith tundra]

problem is that comp has no consistency at dealing dmg it seems

[past egret]

Well it is a German comp

[zenith tundra]

enemy yukikaze still alive at that point lol

[past egret]

457 better on Tirp over Bismarck?

[zenith tundra]

i was thinking that the 40% dmg increase would make using 457 on tirp be worth but i doubt it

[past egret]

I wanna try FDG Bismarck Tirp triple 457 and see how good that’d be
of course getting three 457’s wouldn’t happen but still

[zenith tundra]

with no barrage is hard to have consistent dmg and bismark barrage barely counts as one

[past egret]

Would the triple 457 alone not be enough to just wipe someone from Backline off the match on first/second shot?

[zenith tundra]

that comp would also lack vg pressure most likely with bismark hitting open water due to too long activation range on 2ndary and tirp also 2nd only +1

unless is ws mg shoots can go for vg all the time

which means 0 dmg dealt most likely

combine that with low vg pressure and u have literally rng backlines

[past egret]

Mmm...

Guess so

Unrelated after 56 resets and trying dozens of types of gear changes and ship swap outs I finally beat the aggressive fleet

From the dude I hated I ran into last night

[zenith tundra]

that's a lot of resets

[sharp wing]

Also if u need to choose where to put single 457 it goes on Bisko to buff barrage + crits

[frail orbit]

Who used KMS other than FDG anyway keks

[sharp wing]

same ppl who sue foxes

[frail orbit]

[past egret]

KMS supreme faction

Just wait till they run out of battleships and are forced to give us more H-classes

[sharp wing]

mommy fdg + mommy zep cannot complain

[past egret]

Zep FDG Bismarck seems better than Zep Tirp Bismarck

[sharp wing]

isn't that obvious lmao

[past egret]

The guy I’m orbiting keeps using Tirpitz over graf

[sharp wing]

I mean what u said is fdg>tirp

[past egret]

So I’m just stalking the stats and trying to compare advantages

[sharp wing]

which is obvious

[past egret]

oh no

I’m regarded

[frail orbit]

Also why tf tirp when she has no barrage

[past egret]

FDG Bismarck Tirp*

[frail orbit]

Siriusly

[sharp wing]

ah

[frail orbit]

Even a suck ass DB like junker still bit better than her

At least

[sharp wing]

u use heccdivers on zep

junkers not worth even with buff

[frail orbit]

Well

Problem is

Foken 100

Assuming it hits

[past egret]

Until we get 2k bomb Junker

[frail orbit]

Okay bigger than heccdabber

But for local shit

500lbs wont lie

[sharp wing]

we already got cucced by gold plane being not heccdiver but dauntless

[frail orbit]

Ah speaking of barra db

Sucks r8?

[sharp wing]

pretty much

[frail orbit]

[sharp wing]

it's only for some debuff use...

like on arc

[frail orbit]

Son of a bitch 2nd class still 1st class unironically

[sharp wing]

the other problem is bomb accuracy in pvp get even more gimped than pve on lower weight bombs

pvp has even stricter accuracy modifiers per bomb weight

[frail orbit]

I'd rather junker on mob anyway

But this aint mob

[sharp wing]

on mob? no

junkers only good for boss

if light armor

it has no aoe capabilities

[frail orbit]

Dat spread still for mob anyway keks

[sharp wing]

like heccdaber

junkers has very little spread

100 bombs

[frail orbit]

Besides 2 slot

[sharp wing]

dropped in 1 place mostly

it's good for light armored single bosses

but if there many shit on screen it's pepega

[frail orbit]

Still not gonna my thang anyway since I used heccdabber most of the time

Even on GZ but hey

We know that KMS sucks keks

[sharp wing]

well, in pve they pretty aight

zep basically allowed me to run without healer

[frail orbit]

And no one really compared pve to pvp anyway keks

[sharp wing]

tiro makes for good flag

exercises just different in many ways

[elder crane]

Wait, barra db in PvP?

That's actually decent on CV without good DB slot effs

Since 480 crash dmg like barra TB

Bomb is completely pepega, it's a pretty good bomb, but just 1 per plane.....

480 crash dmg though

[zenith tundra]

with that kms is stuck even more not being able to do vg dmg

[frail orbit]

And who tf use crash dmg on db slot keks

Like siriusly

[zenith tundra]

graf has 0 backline impact due to bomb only loadout it wouldn't be that bad

at that point some extra crash dmg is not that bad

[frail orbit]

Current double CV slowtorpmeme not even using DB keks except if u wanna slap DB on Formie but . . .

I'd rather slap her with Hellcat or even a Pirate considering her ass is fooken lumbering

[zenith tundra]

without db u can actually deal dmg to backlines

which is why graf is bad with just db since if she doesn't hit vg her overall dmg is really bad

[frail orbit]

Well

She doesn't hit em anyway

Most of the time

[safe meteor]

is single 150 better than trple 152 prototype for Noshiro?

[frail orbit]

U wanna manual, seriously?

Also fp is noice for an IJN CL

[safe meteor]

i mean the pvp guide recommend the single 150

the pvp spreadsheet, it lists SIngle 150 as green "usually best in slot equip"

[shell heron]

I would imagine the reason is that she's an IJN CL. Giving her more FP isn't gona help without mgm+1

[frail orbit]

This

Basically

Redundant

[shell heron]

Her barrage isnt bad. 2 arrows and 4 torps

[frail orbit]

But still I'd rather slap a nice gun tho on her

[safe meteor]

thats what i thought

[zenith tundra]

cl mg dmg is usually not amazing in pvp due to movement speed

plus is better to run single 150 on noishiro if u don't have an actual good gun like seattle gun

her barrage shooting torp is a good thing since they can hit backlines for good dmg

[sharp wing]

her barrage spam in general will do more damage than gun

also her barrage torp are pretty weak

2/3 of nanoda torps damage

but bullets part is pretty good

[frail orbit]

And so no noshiro on pvp?

Like seriously

[sharp wing]

Nanoda for reference

[frail orbit]

And am still bafflef why tf peeps used her instead of jintsuu kai . . .

[sharp wing]

also for reference Siri

her barrage is much weaker, but u still run 100mm o her for barrage spam

[frail orbit]

I meant

If u wanna torp

[sharp wing]

So I'd go with 150 on Noshi

[frail orbit]

Aint jinkai better tho

[sharp wing]

no

[frail orbit]

Also

[sharp wing]

noshi is much superior

she is pretty much best flex spot atm

she cna buff any vg, even ca

[frail orbit]

And u wouldnt even run CAs if u run yuki

Since ur usual shit is yuki jun xx

[zenith tundra]

dunno if u realize it but bis vg without azuma is yukikaze juneau x. juneau does very low dmg (used for heal) and yukikaze dmg is mediocre (used for buff and heal). what u want from vg is not dmg but utility

[sharp wing]

well, u can run buki noshi azuma

[frail orbit]

Xx slot better be a dps anyway

[zenith tundra]

not really

aurora also has bad dps. used again for utility

[frail orbit]

And we know that ibuki and sanrui not w/o problem lel

[sharp wing]

noshi provides free bulge

she will make u win vg fights more reliably

[frail orbit]

Aurora obviously just for 2cv utility anyway

[sharp wing]

and less torp rng

[frail orbit]

Especially on advent with formie cent thingy

[sharp wing]

aurora fell out of things

rather run siri w/ cvs

[zenith tundra]

the only 2 vg ships used for damage are ibuki and azuma. ibuki is rng torp and almost no one uses her because of rng

[sharp wing]

buki has little rng

she will deal at least 11k any match regardless

with good rng she can get to 30k+

[zenith tundra]

people don't use ibuki in namaryuu because they are stupid tbh

[sharp wing]

well, i use her

idk who doesn't sue her

she is pretty much best slot till azuma

[zenith tundra]

i used her too and liked her

[sharp wing]

well, now can sue noshiro too

[frail orbit]

Still took me fs5 to actually use buki neeway

So

[sharp wing]

but buki with bad rng will deal at least the amount any other will do

[zenith tundra]

i don't even have fate 5 ibuki and she doesn't need it to be good

[sharp wing]

well, fate 5 is big QoL, but nothing is mandatory

fate 5 helps her counter enemy torps

i dun have fate 5 yet too, even I have a lot of gen bps laying around

128 gen bps left

[zenith tundra]

as long as she is dev 30 she works just fine no need for fate 5 to be the point where she is good

[frail orbit]

Was wasting my gen bps for her fs5, alongside roon fs4 keks

Since no idea of actually

Running hms fleet

Til formie came out, and wakai here too

[zenith tundra]

u don't even need ur pr2 general tbh

can use those on pr1

[frail orbit]

True reason why tf my headnod still not at d30 atm

[shell heron]

Buki looks really good. I just tried using her at 110 before so she got deleted by torps

[frail orbit]

Since well
Wasted em for fs5 lel

[zenith tundra]

welp trying under leveled ship and saying is bad is a good test

[frail orbit]

And seriously

110

[sharp wing]

buki often not lives till wave 2 torps

i lvled ibuki in pvp since like 111

[shell heron]

Not saying shes bad.

[frail orbit]

Mine was since 116, at d30 already

[shell heron]

I can properly test her again not that shes 120.

[sharp wing]

even if she doesn't live till wave 2, she deals same damage as any other flex slot would do

but if she lives, that's qeq

[frail orbit]

Also
Roon stuck at fs4 ever since I just slapped everything for otw on nod d30 keks

Fastest fs5 was

Sanrui

[sharp wing]

Most ppl got baited by sanrui and fate 5 her

[shell heron]

And I was one of them

[zenith tundra]

fate 5 is a big bait. dev leveles are way more important

[frail orbit]

Me too, got baited

[sharp wing]

u cannot say, more improtant, cause u cannot fate till dev 30

[shell heron]

Sanrui was really good this event so its okay

[sharp wing]

qeq

i do ijn vg farm event

and main aff farm

[frail orbit]

Alternatin between her and lonkai for vg anyway

[sharp wing]

lonkai

are u a memer

[frail orbit]

I meant

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

For dido hard

Not pvp

[sharp wing]

I aff farm noshi

[zenith tundra]

not like u cannot do a lvl 90 boss without those

[frail orbit]

Overkill but

Wanna let my ships stayin alive lel

[shell heron]

If buki ends up being better than nep, I might just use her instead

I miss that 7s amagi barrage

[frail orbit]

Nod still practically hms yukikaze slot tho

[sharp wing]

nep is second bait after sanrui tbh

[frail orbit]

Practically

Since well

None could replace nanoda

[sharp wing]

how u supposed to replace nanoda lol

[frail orbit]

QFC need full HMS anyway @sharp wing

[sharp wing]

shigurekai is poorman's nanoda, but nanoda perma now, so RIP shigure

it doesn't tho

[frail orbit]

Shigukai who keks

[shell heron]

My nod is 5 bps away from f5 because I didnt work on buki til the end

[frail orbit]

[shell heron]

That was a mistake

[zenith tundra]

can't wait for en to get fdg dev 30 and 457 so the namagi ws meme just dies out

[sharp wing]

why the hell qfc would need full hms?

[frail orbit]

QE with Dido especially so

But well

Better Siri eh if only for buffing formie cent

[sharp wing]

u run siri junie nanoda

[frail orbit]

Besides my dido aint even hitting 100 atm

[sharp wing]

wtf is full HMS crap?

[shell heron]

Nod f5 is a bait for sure, but i didnt hard focus on her. Instead I threw all the general bps at roon f5

[sharp wing]

Nep is only needed for KGV FC w/ junie nanoda

tbh

sole use for nep

or well any KGV comp

since fc just Siri

[frail orbit]

I'd just run sheff tbh for temporary shit on KGV comp

Since nod still not d30

[sharp wing]

that too

[shell heron]

She's still quite a good tank. But lacks synergy with other ships in namayuu

[sharp wing]

Nep just bait same as sanrui for hms fanboys

[frail orbit]

None could resist Man United anyway
HMS Manchester when

[shell heron]

Sanrui baited me. Nep was natural f5

Or soon that is

[sharp wing]

nothing baited me...

sanrui was just waifu oath didn't even dev her

[frail orbit]

Sanrui was a bait

And so does moanarch

And so does buki

[sharp wing]

I blame Shiyo

[frail orbit]

Who cares

Kishiyo and liduke master race

[sharp wing]

shiyo face is bait

[shell heron]

All f5 are bait. Keeping us from dev30 everyone

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

Except izumo

[sharp wing]

izumo basically one of best f5

[frail orbit]

Izumo just to be mocked anyway

Izumocked

[sharp wing]

u wat

commit unlyfe

[frail orbit]

Nu

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

Since Izumo is Blazumo anyway

[sharp wing]

Oni's are scared

[zenith tundra]

every time i tried izumo without f5 she always underperformed

[sharp wing]

Where is my wife nagara skin

[frail orbit]

my wife skin when

Iykwim

Well waifu bait but . . .

Floof cultist there so

[sharp wing]

Amagi floof

good floof

I cry every time

[past egret]

Good riddance

[hot creek]

If you floof Amagi you will contract many disease.

[sharp wing]

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

you would think a r10 is a +1

nope. 26 points

[forest lake]

[jagged steppe]

wtf are these sandbagger

can they just rush

no way 4 people sleeping and not doing exercise on purpose right?

[forest lake]

Lmao

First time

[shell heron]

those aren't sandbaggers. they just don't pvp

[forest lake]

[ripe latch]

cleveland

[past egret]

@ripe latch

Is there an issue with Cleveland

[ripe latch]

not oath

[past egret]

[sharp wing]

You don't oath Cleve, Cleve oaths you

[jagged steppe]

rofl

[sharp wing]

[past egret]

God my recent description of my new video in #media-content is such bullshit

Waifu does not > meta

WASD is ass

[jagged steppe]

how is this guy loading so fast

[shell heron]

this is nice. still waiting on that +1

[empty grove]

Wow

This season is super dead

I had to waste a refresh to get someone under

Dead/10

[shell heron]

Hi famine, good to see you under me again

[empty grove]

I was 1 point behind before

Nice +0

[vague token]

gottem

[shell heron]

yes it was a nice +0

[empty grove]

I think this is the most dead a season has been tbh

I'd usually be on around 35 at this point

& 35 would be second

[shell heron]

you being 5+ points above me is the norm

if you didn't miss a match that is

[empty grove]

I'm usually on 1060 at the rear admiral roll over

I was on 1051 this time

[shell heron]

But I got r1 on my list, gonna hope that person rushes

prob not but it's a guaranteed +1

[empty grove]

Unless they hold 10

[shell heron]

It's ManlyGreg

not a name I regonize

unless that person is here now and will screw me by not moving til last 10 minutes

@shy hazel what gear loadout are you using on your vanguard. I'm wondering why you're 13.9k when I'm at 13.78k

unless you're using rainbow dildo on buki

[sharp wing]

event boilers

we got 2 gold boilers

I've been running dildo buki anyway and nanoda juneau buki doesn't reach 13.9 w/ 1 dildo

that needs double dildo

[shell heron]

nope it's prob the same loadout as mines

dildo buki, but not oathed junie lowered the power number

[sharp wing]

well

i have all 3 oathed tho

[shell heron]

I get 14k if I run dildo instead of bulge

[sharp wing]

bulge

i run pearls on buki

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

pearls junie...

[shell heron]

I was running nep before

and she survives way too long

[sharp wing]

i run junie tank always

so pearls always middle

[shell heron]

if I learned anything from last reset

HMS can't kill my junie fast enough

[sharp wing]

hms def is meme...

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

maybe pearl buki and gold boiler junie will work better here

[sharp wing]

that's how i run it

nanoda and junie gold boilers on sides

and middle pearls + something

[shell heron]

wait, it's the PR 203 MLE recommended on buki

[sharp wing]

he pr

what else

wait u run AP

[shell heron]

yes

had an extra +10 one on hand

[sharp wing]

he also good for barrage

oh, I know why i dun reach 13.9k w/ dildo, i sue quad torps on buki

cause she rarely lives to launch quints second time

[shell heron]

I have 97 of the HE gun bps, guess I can make one

[sharp wing]

3.2 sec diff

[elder crane]

It's ready!

Pretty sure Amagi wants DrH more than Nagato

[sharp wing]

Hmm

Nagato just use it cause low barrage %

[elder crane]

Amagi takes advantage of it better though cause initial fastload

[sharp wing]

amagi needs to launch as fast as she can

[elder crane]

Hence why some ppl even run trip381/mk6 on her

She's also the first firestarter

So you want high fire dmg for her

Since the whole "BB refresh on BB fire doesn't overwrite fire dmg" thing

[sharp wing]

but higher caliber overwrites

[elder crane]

Same calibre doesn't though

[sharp wing]

but there no same caliber

[elder crane]

Which can be a bit pepega

Well, all BB guns are treated identically

[sharp wing]

381 410 and ws gun

[elder crane]

It's only BB overwrite CA, CL, DD

[vale rapids]

do you think noshiro/jintsuu/leipzig work in pvp

[sharp wing]

noshiro junie nanoda work

[elder crane]

Not sure why you'd run Jint over Ibuki, but is probably ok

[sharp wing]

[vale rapids]

Cuz no ibuki

[elder crane]

Seems ok
Probably worse than squeezing in at least Juneau

[vale rapids]

Also jintsuu doesnt buff ibuki so thinking if leipzig work for ibuki

[elder crane]

But if you don't want to bother with Jun, should work well enough

Leip should, she buffs all cruisers iirc

[frail orbit]

Anyway

Oot but

[elder crane]

Jint is CL and DD only

[frail orbit]

Tf with 12.7mm and 20mm aa gun

[vale rapids]

No i mean if leipzig could replace ibuki place

[sharp wing]

wut

[frail orbit]

12.7 x6 better than mix, seriously?

I meant between hellcats and pirates

[sharp wing]

wut

[elder crane]

Pirate own AA is worse

[sharp wing]

12.7 is dps gun 20mm is burst

[elder crane]

Pirate is only better if the +AA skill matters

[frail orbit]

So technically

[elder crane]

Hellcat is still better AA otherwise

[frail orbit]

Only saving grace of pirates was

Fast asap
Aa buff

[elder crane]

Also higher dmg bombs

[sharp wing]

pirate deals highest surface damage

[frail orbit]

Well at least bombs too

[elder crane]

Vf-17 the only plane with T0 bombs

So she does 380×2 base instead of the 360×2 base of all other 2×500lb fighters

[frail orbit]

More like t0 500lb bombs

[elder crane]

Actually, yeah, bombercuda exists now too (not in EN though)

[sharp wing]

McClusky also has t0 bombs

[elder crane]

That's news to me

[sharp wing]

lol really?

it only loses to hellcat due to 2x100

even t0

[elder crane]

Huh, so it does
2×100 though so lol vs helldiver

Hellcat is F6F btw

[sharp wing]

below are t0 bombs

1600 ap bara

then mcclusky and vf

[elder crane]

1600 AP cuda bomb btw gets enhancement through armor mods, skill, and iirc dispersion, despite same bdmg and AoE as normal 1600, in case anyone here wondering

[sharp wing]

it has diff modifiers too

it has 5% more on med and heavy comapred to 2k

and 10% more on light

[elder crane]

+5/10/10 for light/med/heavy vs normal 1600

Which imo was a stupid decision, all these diff armor mods for each bomb
Should've at least made them significantly diff on each armor type if they did differentiate
Otherwise, just have standard set of mods ffs

It's the whole CL and BB/BC barrages thing all over again

[sharp wing]

we need more planes with diff type of bombs tbh

more ap bombs

incendiary bombs etc.

[elder crane]

What we need is for current bombs to actually have significantly diff mods

[sharp wing]

I don't see issue there

[elder crane]

Lighter = better on light
Heavier = better on heavy
And medium armor somewhere in the middle

[sharp wing]

they are like that already

[elder crane]

Then we'd actually have diff dbs in diff roles

The diff currently is too small to matter

Just like all the rando BB or CL barrage mods

"wow, +5% on one type relatively, completely changes the usage" said no one ever

[sharp wing]

well 100 lb deals 25% less to heavy than 2k lb

light mods are justified cause hitting small ships with avi bombs is pepega

[elder crane]

Except for light bombs, that's not really much the case

[sharp wing]

even landing bombs on big ships are hard

[elder crane]

Also pretty sure 100lb bombs on heavy armour don't do all that much

[sharp wing]

that's why 25% less

[elder crane]

Except somehow it still does more vs heavy than on medium

We already have a hit-eva mechanic in place to account for hitrate stuff

[sharp wing]

well, medium armor mods are weird in many places

[elder crane]

And CVs already have somewhat low hit

So mods should mostly reflect relative effectiveness of munitions

[sharp wing]

But the idea is just that bombs easiest to land on big ships tbh

[elder crane]

Well, we already have hit-eva mechanic in place for that

Since TBs if anything are even worse at hitting not-big ships, relatively speaking

So it makes sense to have lowish hit on CVs, which we do

[sharp wing]

and torpedoes much more lethal usually

[elder crane]

Therefore, ammo mods should mostly reflect munition effectiveness, relative to other munitions, on that armor type

[sharp wing]

low cal armor piercing...

[elder crane]

And the whole reason why large-bomb and AP-bomb exists is because smaller bombs did minimal damage to well-armored ships

So it makes 0 sense that the 100lb bomb has 80-85-100 mods

[sharp wing]

then again, cvs were sunk by 500lb bombs

but cvs classified as heavy armor

[elder crane]

Medium

Only Illustriouses and Taihou are heavy

And Illustrious class tanked 500lb bomb hits fairly well

[sharp wing]

formie

[elder crane]

That's Illustrious-class

[shy hazel]

im using dildo on ibuki

with rudder

big meme

[sharp wing]

pearl junie?

[shy hazel]

ye

too lazy to distribute shit

def fleet will die anyways

[sharp wing]

I dun bother with def

[shy hazel]

im using a diff attack fleet

[sharp wing]

def is meme

[elder crane]

In any case, overpenning or not arming is a real issue for bombs too, so heavier bombs being shit on light makes sense, and the heaviest start even being bad on medium (e.g. cruisers)
Until you start reaching heavier bomb weights though, heavy armor ships actually tank bomb hits fairly well

[sharp wing]

a tryhard check

[shy hazel]

im still laughing at ppl who gets a hard time anyways

[sharp wing]

stalled

Need to let food climb too

n

[shell heron]

I should be nice to the food and use a meme def fleet

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

but that means I can't stall the sandbaggers

[sharp wing]

U cannot stall a bag

[elder crane]

Like, e.g., Mediterranean Lusty tanked 7 250 or 500 lb bomb hits, with 2 near misses, and got out without danger of sinking (was heavily damaged though)
Then was hit by more while undergoing repairs, all without danger of sinking

Compare Akagi, 1 hit KO with a 500lb bomb
Kaga, 4-5 hits
3+ on Souryuu
4-5 on Hiryuu

USN cvs are more difficult to compare since those lost all involved torps

[ripe latch]

[vale rapids]

Pretty sure this should be in #461381136661217283 instead

[shell heron]

expecting people outside of #pvp to know what sandbagging is

oh no, is this another +0 reset

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

imagine thinking bomb armor ratios would make things better

when the size also adjusts the base hit rate

woo you can spam 4x100 bombs with a theoretical whatever damage vs light. too bad it's a tiny radius with 30-40 base hit rate

base 38% lol

tfw the BTD is basically better than the stuka

not by a lot

just like a bit

[shell heron]

I should keep track of certain people. Person I was banking on last reset didn't move but moved this reset

prob was waiting on 10 matches to move

[shy hazel]

good4u

[shell heron]

but my lead on famine

[shell heron]

get off my back famine

[empty grove]

I almost ran out of refreshes

[shell heron]

we will suffer together

had to refresh twice at 6/10

[empty grove]

It's annoying having to refresh into even 2 people who can +1

[shell heron]

then blow the rest for a better list

but we don't know when they will move

it could be within the first hour

or last 10 minutes

[empty grove]

Or never

[vague token]

[shell heron]

or that

[frail orbit]

Anyway, is rendar-sama here?

About that Essex flood thingy, could ya elaborate more smhw?

[upper sparrow]

fuck i got jebaited, defeated someone 210 rank below me and still get +0 point

[zenith tundra]

210 seems kind of low rank difference

if i'm not sure i try and math the difference in ranks with the difference in points to rank 100 and then see how many ranks 35 pts difference would be.