pvp

[frail orbit]

[ionic magnet]

imagine not using nagato

[shy hazel]

for us pvp crazies

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

we only use true

meta

[frail orbit]

Well def fleet Namaryuu duh

Offense fleet always HMS tho

Planned to revive USS through Georgie momopai but welp

[ionic magnet]

others are just using non nagato comps cos theyre already bored

[shy hazel]

like me

[frail orbit]

My wakai either for QE Moanarch
Or for Frier Chicken

Might as well be switchin Nagatoot to Surugei if for oppai anyway

[ionic magnet]

surugei not looking good apparently

everyone is saying her barrage is

[frail orbit]

Def fleet only duh

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

Obviously her barrage practically an imitation of Big 7 lel

[ionic magnet]

so much for "enhanced in pvp"

[frail orbit]

Well at least that def buff tho

Also a qt with nicely sized oppai

When the time comes

Would be switching nagatoot with her

Just to troll anyone lel

Sumaryuu

[ionic magnet]

a wise man once said
you wont need that def buff if you just kill your enemy faster

[zenith tundra]

why bother with hiryuu. just go fdg suruga amagi

[frail orbit]

We. Dont. Even. Have. FDG. D30.

EN plebs there

[shy hazel]

zack filthy jp traitor

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i still wouldn't use hiryuu but namagi suruga with heavy armor on amagi

[frail orbit]

To be fair I only have FDG on her infancy

A long path to heaven and hell keks

[frail orbit]

Btw

Kinda thinking what if Taihoe got Reppu instead of Saiun squad lel

With comet carpet bomb being having some shitty welp of RNGesus
And so does ryuusei barrage...

And when Saiun hits, it's practically utter welp

If only she got reppu instead of saiun . . .

[zenith tundra]

she still would be a rng ship in backlines

[frail orbit]

Yeah

But at least Reppu have 500lb bombs . . .

She was intended to use Reppu r8?

[ripe latch]

[forest lake]

Imagine if Taihou was 100% Ryuusei

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

100% miss rating u mean?

[shy hazel]

明けましておめでとう☆

[zenith tundra]

cancer 3.0 is not that strong if u can beat it with lvl 109 suruga

[shy hazel]

i said

happy new year

in jst time

hope to see u losers in my list again

so i can do first bonks of the year

[zenith tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0faj9cIne3E

2nd match opponent yukikaze got sniped by amagi somehow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFBxfWeF1Ws&feature=youtu.be

[blazing scroll]

Watching triple BB comps fight each other is like one big rngfest

[hoary pasture]

confirmed SuWuRuWuGuWu more broken than fdg

time for pr3

[zenith tundra]

more like not even namagi fdg is that good of a def comp

plus his vg equip is very questionable

way too slow

[zenith tundra]

no passive on new camo equip it seems
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Ocean_Soul_Camouflage

just 🚮

[elder crane]

that equip is just so
why

like

why

[frail orbit]

[shell heron]

Just 1 more evasion than navy camo with a bit more hp

At +10.

[zenith tundra]

for 500 core data more and more plates (especially purple)

[shell heron]

I wonder who thought it was a great idea for these stats. Costs a hell lot more for a very minor buff from blue camo

[zenith tundra]

well tbh quite a bit of stuff from core data is just overpriced 🚮

[shell heron]

Like my 2nd sub battery.

It doesn't even add much

[elder crane]

why did you even buy a second one

[shell heron]

I'm still thinking how well noshiro can perform in pvp. She's like jintsuu, but does more

Ill test it later I guess. When she hits 120

[coral wren]

[ripe latch]

wow namagi + suruga + juneau + yuki

[vague token]

she's like jintsuu if instead of only 1 ship having 20% dr, you gave your entire vg a torp bulge

xD

and boosts all damage sources

instead of just torp

[elder crane]

20% DR for Jint

but then Noshiro gets her 15% evarate

[blazing scroll]

Noshiro to counter torp memes

[timber adder]

Say hello if u meet this fleet

[coral wren]

no

[zenith tundra]

sl 10 lvl 111 suruga barrage

557 on medium and 500 on heavy

~650 medium and ~590 heavy at lvl 120 expected

[vague token]

sounds like biscuit

[zenith tundra]

maybe a bit more due to max oath

it hits like 6 times on opponent backline so almost 4k dmg if all hit on medium

[elder crane]

that's like, 2/3 of amagi barrage, bleh
btw, do the pellets reach?

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[vague token]

to be fair amagi barrage is busted tier

not a fair comparison

xD

[zenith tundra]

i tested earlier and was 2-1 when i did the video. now 0-3 and couldn't beat that for the +1 lol

georgia at lvl 111 hits for 2.4k per shell and she has 4 shs shells in her barrage on medium armor. talking about broken

(with double white shell)

[ripe latch]

suruga - amagi legacy version?

[elder crane]

Suruga = Balanced Amagi

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

poverty amagi

[vague token]

"has a live 2d skin" amagi

she summons a sword for no reason too

[finite valve]

she just trying to fit in what with everyone in the base using a katana and all

[coral wren]

sword=pp?

i see nothing wrong with that

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

trap confirmed?

[vague token]

hmm i just realized london with noshiro buff is nice

[stark condor]

Shower me with your lineup wisdom #pvp http://imgur.com/a/T9dXP4f

[finite valve]

enty + helena reset combo

but you are missing lvl so i doubt even with that combo you can wipe any 120 fleet

get enty + helena to maybe 115 then maybe you would stand a chance

[ionic magnet]

warkai enty hood ykkz noshiro then get yourself a juneau

[elder crane]

and/or go warkai

[ionic magnet]

then just wait for some event reruns ig

mainly nagato/amagi

[elder crane]

then swap out Hood for Monarch and Enty for cent eventually, and there's your basic Warkai HMS

alternatively, QE over Cent

[ionic magnet]

yea that too

[midnight heron]

[elder crane]

Current rank: 188
lemme guess, not enough for a +1

[midnight heron]

its enuf

then life happens

4/10

how to rush

[ionic magnet]

2nd avgas later

finally can see FC final form

[sharp wing]

Lol, found out about Lexie's nick name Blue Ghost from event

Now i have to make Ghost Fleet

[midnight heron]

doesnt beat gurei goosto

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

wat do u call long island then

[sharp wing]

Sara Lexy Enty Magical ghost girl fleet

[vague token]

neet ghost

[sharp wing]

I call her no pants no problems

I mean... Who knows...

But she apparently doesn't like you guessing

[vague token]

schrodinger's

[coral wren]

[midnight heron]

6 more d3 runs and i can get cancer frontliner

[forest lake]

[inner zenith]

👀👀👀

i wonder what that cancer front liner is

[shell heron]

Prob noshimo/juneau/yukikaze

Noshi really doesn't sound bad

[forest lake]

Fleet wide Bulge

+crit rate and torp damage

[vague token]

noshiro ibuki for ultimate defense trolling

[forest lake]

I'd make that

But I don't have Buki

[midnight heron]

say no to shiro

[forest lake]

[empty grove]

Yoink

[shell heron]

You know im doing a torp meme def now

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

Oni masterace
Now real culture prevails

[inner zenith]

Wut

[midnight heron]

eat some onigiri

[ripe latch]

[finite valve]

i prefer jelly filled donut

[sharp wing]

Hmmm, 12 hrs free comm, guess I luccsacced

[finite valve]

only thing good is stagg

rest is okish

[sharp wing]

I'll take Mle Nepguns and bps too

I remember doing them were like twice less rewards tho lol

[midnight heron]

much bp

[sharp wing]

But just doing free comms till i'm done w/ build

[finite valve]

i am done with ship bp anyway

[midnight heron]

i gotta stop doing coin comms soon cuz mlb achievement

[finite valve]

fate is whatever

[sharp wing]

I want buki fate 5

Tho i got enough gen bps for that...

[finite valve]

filthy torp autism

i hope you die a painful death

[sharp wing]

Dege

[ripe latch]

trp team

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

I realize I totally couldve unlocked fdg yesterday on timer. Forgot about the event shop oil.

[sharp wing]

bought oil 1st

looking at coins

[midnight heron]

[ripe latch]

[hot creek]

dat DR:PR ratio

[midnight heron]

rip tho

[coral wren]

just whale

[past egret]

28 minutes late but happy New Years from US EST

[hot creek]

thats not whale. thats just lucky landing on DR focus comms.

is anyone here even on EST?

[forest lake]

[midnight heron]

u bulli leander

now u must pay da price

[sharp wing]

Put Rianda down slowly

[meager dawn]

no

[empty grove]

[meager dawn]

YEET

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

[empty grove]

[coral wren]

[sour oasis]

Ah. I missed 5 tickets and I can't even rush into top 100.

[shell heron]

I need those bel emotes

[ripe latch]

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

Head maid is no joke

[vague token]

i like sheffield more

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

something feels off

[ripe latch]

finally true memes

[forest lake]

[hot creek]

Happy new year to west coast best coast

[sharp wing]

Monkey with a sword....

[forest lake]

[hot creek]

2nd avgas

[velvet fossil]

happy new years

[vague token]

2nd homing bacon to celebrate new year

[velvet fossil]

car alarms going off everywhere outside

[midnight heron]

old year

[vague token]

im kinda surprised no illegal fireworks in my area

[shy hazel]

do live in like china

u cant even buy fireworks here

[vague token]

na, just drought zones

xD

[meager dawn]

How many beacons and avgas do u need

[midnight heron]

2 prob

not sure who to pr now since azuma done

[meager dawn]

fdg

[midnight heron]

they gon get rekt i nevent lul

doesnt help dat i dont hav zeppy

[meager dawn]

just use bisko and tirpitz

ez

[midnight heron]

i only hav 2 viable backline now tho tirp and zepp

bisco 120 so auto dq

[vague token]

bacon on all cv for pve

xD

[meager dawn]

use bisco

[midnight heron]

guess i can only go for 's sister

[midnight heron]

damn dat ijn amagi guy using noshiro+ibuki already

[young mulch]

How is littorio for pvp

[midnight heron]

bad probably

her barrage fires randomly

[vague token]

her shield doesnt really help much

is the other problem

xD

[shy hazel]

if only her yuri juices can help in pvp

but shes useless

in fact her whole faction is

[midnight heron]

if u hav nothing else its worth a try tho

[ripe latch]

[young mulch]

I was just trying it out with monarch and ws and it worked ok but idk if it's because attack is too advantageous

[midnight heron]

depends more on who u fite

against namaryuu it wud be a tough win unless u get some extreme rng where ur backline fully focuses on their backline with all dem ap shells

[young mulch]

The one time there isn't a namaryuu for me to test against

I feel like i just focus fire amagi then auto win

My third was centaur and i feel bad sometimes putting her flag because she dies to nagato barrage kinda fast

[midnight heron]

dat wud be easier to do with full hms bb but i dont hav first hand experience so

[young mulch]

So i wanted to try a heavy armor tankier ship that can kinda do damage and not die to torps instantly

Just wondering if anybody has tried her is all

[midnight heron]

y not just use warspite flag and monarch top

she targets top for sniping when in flag

[young mulch]

Sometimes they put amagi bot

[midnight heron]

its better than centaur dying immediately

also not a bad idea to nuke hiryu first

[young mulch]

Hmmm i feel like hiryuu is just tickling me though but idk

Amagi debuff just needs to go asap

[midnight heron]

theres 2 ways i look at it

[young mulch]

Maybe i can try formi

Or QE

[midnight heron]

1. amagi dies first so u remove debuff (but in practice it can be hard cuz some ppl's amagi has bs rng/use vh armour)
2. proc hiryuu counter early so ur vg is still alive to provide aa so ur backline doesnt take full dmg (also to bait ryuusei)

in any case just try it out and see how it goes since u get infinite resets anyway

[young mulch]

Theres this dude with maxed namahoe and torp meme idk if that's close enough to test

[midnight heron]

[young mulch]

Also do you use shells or radar for your BBs

[midnight heron]

radar priority

i never use shells cuz eva gear exist

[young mulch]

Double radar? Then beaver badge somewhere?

[midnight heron]

more impt if u dont hav amagi urself since u will lack tons of eva

radar + rudder/beaver

double radar works but lower total eva

then again monarch has 0 luck so double radar might just be better

[young mulch]

Does white shell buff ws barrage

[midnight heron]

no

otherwise 2op

[young mulch]

Yeah wouldn't want anything non ijn being op

[midnight heron]

[hoary pasture]

idk why but.... enterprise vs enterprise meta sounds more fun than IJN meta

[midnight heron]

u speak of cursed times

esp when enemy eldridge procs and urs doesnt

[young mulch]

I think ws kai makes attack trivial so I can't tell if this littorio is doing anything

[midnight heron]

just win the fite so u get new opponents

[young mulch]

She's a lot tankier than centaur and i think my lead vg doesn't get one shot by torp meme at least

No i need that +11

[midnight heron]

if it works for u then just use it; im just speaking in theory anyway

also forgot to say formi is usable as well since u mentioned her just now

but u gotta ask hooloolive for the setup

[young mulch]

Yeah thanks for your help I'm just trying a lot of variants for hms fleets seeing if other stuff can make it more consistent

[frail orbit]

Am planned to revive Double E

Either with WaKai or Georgia.

[young mulch]

I've also been using subpar bb auxes this whole time apparently

[frail orbit]

Think of Double E with 818

RNGesus that is

For a makeshift Fried Chicken

Oh well I shouldn't have mentioned it least am being viewed as heretics, but what am striving is to prove the balance of power between the major faction keks

[midnight heron]

but there is no balance

once ppl get azuma+fdg usable its

[serene saddle]

I just notice noshiro blue skill has reduce torp dmg taken which is really good against those jintsuu teams

[midnight heron]

it is, but question is who out of the 3 meta vg do u wanna replace

[hoary pasture]

what is the best comp to drag a match on for 50 years?

im assuming it is gonna involve fdg + suruga backline

[serene saddle]

Juneau out if u dont need her sacrifice healing prolly

@hoary pasture fdg, azuma, nagato and amagi

With juneau and speedfreak nanoda

[hoary pasture]

why nagato > suruga

[midnight heron]

her barrage seemingly sucks ass

[zenith tundra]

nagato barrage is still strongest in pvp. plus nagato buffs amagi yuki azuma.
suruga only gives a dr to main fleet and that's it. her barrage is mediocre and slow

[frail orbit]

Which is why am striving for it

Feels ironic when the winner of WW2 is the weakest force tbh

[young mulch]

Good USS BB when

[zenith tundra]

weird enough uss is best in pve. pvp is nothing more then a side mode that hasn't been improved since the game release and more then actual pvp is just camping simulator

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

Still pvp only way other than challenge mode to flex tbh . . .

And to bully others

[zenith tundra]

it would be if 90% of defensive comps aren't just memes

plus where is the challenge if u can retry 100 times

[frail orbit]

True pvp when their shit dies and no AI involved when keks

Feels like am in the mood to bully someone tbh

[forest lake]

everything

Your frontline I guess

[hoary pasture]

i thought hood is most optimal mid for the mid bear-ager

[zenith tundra]

if u don't swap positions even namaryuu isn't all mighty.

if those are ur best vg ship as level keep those but u need juneau to be competitive.

[shy hazel]

nothing will save that team indeed

[ripe latch]

phoenix front

[hoary pasture]

people use phoenix in pvp?

[midnight heron]

we use phoenixf in pvp

[sharp wing]

🇫

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

Phoe oath when

[hoary pasture]

can georgia kill fdg?

actually, why did i ask that? answer is prolly not

forgot fdg gets tankier as she drops hp

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

U got warkai, don't invent a wheel

[mild spruce]

warkai and monarch can’t even focus down FdG consistently

[sharp wing]

warkai can, mona is not even in question

Aso need rainbow gun for best effect

[mild spruce]

Combined I mean

Both on FdG

[sharp wing]

Well, u don't run hms...

[mild spruce]

Well it’s good that’s a few months out

Can’t run IJN cause I never use hiryuu

[sharp wing]

I don't run hiryuu on ijn...

[mild spruce]

Well I can use warkai

I guess

I have Nagato and amagi ready

[sharp wing]

u need 2 ijn vg w/ warkai

so buki ready too i guess

[mild spruce]

Mhmm only have Jinstuu and Yukikaze ready

My ibuki is only 110

[sharp wing]

i run a weird setup anyway

warkai amagi baka

[mild spruce]

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

Blue gun, best gun

[sour oasis]

How many points in a PvP season if you only rush? This camping simulator sounds better in not-Avorra.

[sharp wing]

if u only rush that's just +0s

[zenith tundra]

well if u rush at the end of a reset u get actual bonuses. but a full +0 season is a bit less 2.5k pts

[sharp wing]

210 battles in season around 15k merits

all rank ups 15k

daily and weekly 2k

seasonal score is below 2500

[ripe latch]

[ripe latch]

so looooong....

[coral wren]

I just realized something

She doesn’t love me

[ripe latch]

[blissful girder]

so has any consensus been reached re noshi in pvp? better stall than yeptune?

[shell heron]

Im speed leveling her skills and not even one s10 yet

Pulled her day 1 too

[vague token]

im just glad she doesnt have any red skills

when event started i had like 0 red books

[hot creek]

inb4 noshiro overhyped/overrated

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

her blue skill alone should be enough to make her amazing in pvp

[finite valve]

i can only see her being good for torp autism comp in def

atk not so much

[zenith tundra]

she is tanky tho and works against torp memes

her torp buff should also her both her dmg and yuki

[ionic magnet]

i mean do you guys have problems with anything other than torp memes

[zenith tundra]

azuma can be pretty annoying if in a speed setup but that's jp

[ionic magnet]

yea lets not include azuma for now

and even then thats just 1 bote thats better than her

[hot creek]

torp bulges dont really do much in the first place. so getting one for free is whatever. might be ok if you stack it but no slots for that, need boilers.

[ionic magnet]

i mean thats the point

you get a free slot for a boiler

[hot creek]

Yeah but thats barely a gamechanger is what im saying.

[zenith tundra]

it still helps preventing rng from just 1 shooting ur juneau

[ionic magnet]

the way i see it
its better than sheff cos its not rng
and better than eva tanks like sanrui/nep/bel cos noshiro gives dmg buff too while still having the same tanking ability

[zenith tundra]

plus her torp should hurt quite a bit if she hits main fleet

[hot creek]

It doesnt take much RNG for your juneau to die before 1st airstrike anyways, as long as you catch torps you gonna get rekt. torp bulge not gonna make a difference. hell, i am already running torp bulge on her and im contemplating going back to double boiler juneau.

[ionic magnet]

not gonna defend her much cos i need to try her first
but yea i like my chances with noshiro if i want a stall VG
and ofc if i want torp memes myself theres no question shes the best

[vague token]

she's just the perfect generalist ship

[zenith tundra]

but that might hurt her if she isn't tanky enough or doesn't do enough dmg

[hot creek]

You know what else is amazing on paper but crap in practice? Opening smokes. Man I thought was some big brain for using Leander and torp bulges to "counter" opening torps but quicky realized it barely does anything.

Theres really no good counter for bad torp RNG.

[zenith tundra]

from what i used her in pve i can tell that she is quite tankier then almost any cl. her dmg is not as bursty as jintsuu tho

and that's while maxing yellow skill not blue

[elder crane]

I went and maxed blue skill

Damn is she tanky in PvE

Well, smokes the issue is it's rng if they even stay in smoke
And the fact that all initial smokers are either super squish (DDs) or very squish (Leander)

Though actually Leander worked okayish for me really early on vs torpteams

[vague token]

leander did work for me during lower level caps

plus she had vg fp boost

[zenith tundra]

i feel like noshiro dmg boost is a bit overhyped tbh. 12% crit in like 6% dmg boost and 20% torp stat is not that much especially on auto. she definitely needs to buff other ships to shine because by herself she isn't all that strong mostly tanky

[vague token]

6% global damage boost is a lot when the majority of vgs only boost a small selection of ships

and only their core stats

and not always their barrages (which may use different stats)

[zenith tundra]

problem again is it's gonna be 6% still on anything that doesn't have critical dmg like sheffield jintsuu ibuki

[vague token]

which is fine, because that's still 6% more than you'd get on anyone else xD

eg having barrages that dont use your buffed stat

[zenith tundra]

if she doesn't cover with her own dmg she is like a tank with a buff then

and then if u run some other tank that still does more dmg then her like roon wouldn't it be better just have another ship with high dps

[vague token]

depends on the total EHP vs DPS ratio

im pretty sure noshiro's evade/bulge + dps boost outweighs just adding a squishy dps

like her total EHP:DPS gain is much higher compared to most

[ionic magnet]

idrc about VG dmg cos theyre all poo tbh
as long as she helps my jun to stop dying prematurely ill use her

[zenith tundra]

i'm mostly talking about pve here

in pvp her dmg buff will mostly be torp memes and maybe a bit yuki

[midnight heron]

dont forget tho if u dont hav maxed ibuki dev30 shes rly gud for activating amagi early shot (at least for me she'll be a gud stand-in for maybe a year before azuma becomes usable )

[zenith tundra]

i've been using this in c2 and she rarely ever gets mvp over suruga even on bb elites and suruga only gets like 2% boost from level difference

dunno if i should consider suruga strong or her dmg weak

[vague token]

im pretty sure it isnt about her own stats

she has like just around retro-sendai class stats

bit less torp, more aa

she's a utility ship

[zenith tundra]

ur not that useful in pve if ur dmg is bad unless u can just straight tank bosses on auto

guess i should take this to gameplay-help channel where people already put her at fdg tier because she's supposed to be much better then other cl

[vague token]

i thought the point was that she let you take squishier CAs/CLs that do have high dps but cant actually survive normally

plus she has 330 aa

[zenith tundra]

330 aa with bad efficiency compared to uss cl

also if u consider that best cl in w13 are just uss gunboats (sandy has trash torp anyway) her usefulness as a buffer is not that amazing compare to just using a ca tank that still quite a bit of dmg

[vague token]

im pretty sure they use her as tank with baltimore as dps

at least that's my impression from the last cn tier list

[cosmic edge]

Am I able to win this...?

[elder crane]

Yeah, Noshiro for auto is mostly a tank

She's a torp-CL after all

[zenith tundra]

well my point is still the same is 6% baltimore dmg worth losing dmg over a ca tank?

[vague token]

a tank that buffs all ships

[young mulch]

Use littorio for anti torp rng

[elder crane]

She's a better tank though

[vague token]

i mean unless you're running portland, there are only squish dps CAs or roon

[elder crane]

She's tankier than those btw

Iirc literally just chinawall is tankier

[vague token]

i mean the EHP:DPS ratio on roon is the best obviously

honestly it's mostly baltimore

since she has someone who can tank for her forever

she can do biiig dps

[zenith tundra]

don't go where she is tankier then azuma now how i heard in gameplay help...

[elder crane]

Her DpS though might be underrated
Her barrage alone I estimated to be around 2/3 of Nep's

[zenith tundra]

@cosmic edge u should be able that mainfleet is not that strong

doesn't hit shit tho

especially on bosses

[elder crane]

Wtf
She has one of the best barrage patterns
Nobody is going to do better

[vague token]

4 torpedos straight forward

better than ykkz weird spread xD

[elder crane]

And a 1/4-screen wide shot pattern

[zenith tundra]

nep barrage hits the whole screen while noshiro just hits a bit in front

[elder crane]

Just wide enough

[vague token]

i mean pr barrages are tough to compete with xD

[elder crane]

Yeah, but Noshiro also does 2/3 of total damage

Of Nep

That's ignoring spread

And her spread is wide enough to in the long run, hit reliably

Just perfect for auto boss

[zenith tundra]

barrage for auto imo aren't much of a factor unless they can hit from everywhere like nep and roon

[elder crane]

If you keep the same dmg, wider = worse

Wtf

"hitting from everywhere" is actively bad for boss since most of the dmg is wasted

[zenith tundra]

i've been looking at c2 for hours non stop and her barrage just doesn't hit

[elder crane]

It's good for mobbing due to reliability to have a wide spread

[vague token]

i mean it's the same as any other focused barrage

eg 90% of CAs

it just has torps

[zenith tundra]

that's why i mean it's a non factor for me

[elder crane]

But with same total dmg, tighter is better as long as not too tight

And idk, from watching her, hits reliably enough in the long run

Which for bossing, the long run is what matters

[zenith tundra]

any random movement to the side will make it hit nothing. it's not reliable on auto which is why i wouldn't take it into cosideration

[elder crane]

Reeeeeeeeee

[vague token]

i mean then 90% of barrages arent reliable then

[elder crane]

Are you reading me

[vague token]

cause outside of like huge full screen shot barrages, most of them are narrow

[zenith tundra]

fact is that barrages aren't reliable on auto

[elder crane]

Like, literally
Take, say, 200 dmg reliably
Or 50/50 for 500
First better for mobs, since reliability needed in short fight
Second is better for boss, since you fire barrage a bunch anyways over the course of the fight

[vague token]

in which case she still helps squishies be able to do their damage

she tank

she buff

perfection

[zenith tundra]

the dmg of those torp is also not amazing like 500dmg x torp with oxy on heavy

[vague token]

i mean isnt that higher than ykk torp barrage?

[elder crane]

like, here
do you agree that, for specifically auto-bossing, Neptune barrage would be better if slightly tighter with same dmg

[vague token]

i forget how much those do

[zenith tundra]

yuki can afford to spam her barrage while noshiro has to wait a long ass time for her cl gun to shoot enough

i don't think nep is a bossing ship in 1st place

[elder crane]

idk why you go on about "being able to hit anywhere" mattering for auto-boss
as long as it's not too low % to hit, it's fine, since you get enough barrages to average out in a boss fight
and Noshiro's is fine like that

[zenith tundra]

never used her on bosses

[elder crane]

Then roon

do you agree that, for specifically auto-bossing, Roon barrage would be better if slightly tighter with same dmg

[zenith tundra]

no

[elder crane]

(and stop being anal about this, there was no arguement in the first place about if nep was good for bossing)

[zenith tundra]

her barrage is focused enough and still can hit to the sides

roon barrage imo is best how it is

[elder crane]

that's just plain wrong

for boss fight

for clearing mobs, sure

[zenith tundra]

unreliable vg movement would screw it over if more focused

[elder crane]

but as long as the % to hit is not too low, tighter = better in boss when the barrage is that wide since you have enough activations for it to average out

the increase in average dmg outweighs the increased RNG

[zenith tundra]

u won't math me out like those gurus that don't even understand that gunboats lose dmg because they aim at already dead ships due to everyone focusing same target

[elder crane]

"I'm going to ignore your logical argument in favour of my bias"
idk why I even bother talking with you on this then

and idk why ppl should care about your opinion when you ignore anything that contradicts it

[vague token]

i just realized baltimore with no eagle cvs actually overtakes azuma fp

[zenith tundra]

all i'm saying is that barrages aren't reliable on auto whatever u want me to believe that noshiro barrage is that good it's irrelevant because it's still gonna miss too much to be relevant

[elder crane]

and I'm saying, a bit of reliability is a non-issue in boss fights due to enough time-length to average out

[zenith tundra]

it's same as torp. even if u can deal more dmg with torp they still won't be any better on auto

[elder crane]

Yes, it's too tight to be good for mobbing

but this is a boss fight

torps are bad on auto due to lower effective DpS on auto

if torps had same effective dps as guns in auto, then they would be used in boss fights

for mobs, yes, they wouldn't be used since they're too unreliable for that

[zenith tundra]

so barrages dmg amount is that high that u think she will out dps sandy because of it?

[elder crane]

when did I say that

I said, her DpS isn't complete garbage

not "she out-DpSs one of the best DpS ships in the game"

[zenith tundra]

which is wrong because she relies on torp and barrage that are both unreliable

[vague token]

i mean the goal isnt to be top dps

[elder crane]

reee
except it's not unreliable on boss fights smh

[vague token]

the goal is to be ok dps and still tank for squishier dps

it's ok if it isnt reliable when you can safely protect baltimore with her 400+ fp

and huge AP ca gun ratios

[elder crane]

in long boss fights, auto-torps actually do reliable damage

[vague token]

and still help contribute SOME damage

[elder crane]

it's just reliably less than gunboats

since accuracy issues

[zenith tundra]

but is it actually better then other ships tho? without buffing other torp ships will she just be straight better then roon or portland as dps

[vague token]

baltimore will easily outperform both of those

[elder crane]

Probably not
but I doubt she'll be like half or less

[vague token]

her problem is durability

not damage

[elder crane]

but that's fine, since she out-tanks both of those

[zenith tundra]

if u need that tankiness or u don't mind losing dmg

[elder crane]

This isn't a Eugen scenario, is all I'm saying

[vague token]

roon also doesnt have 85/120/85 ap ratios on a CA gun

[elder crane]

where Eugen is total garbo despite being a very good tank since she does like literally less than half of, say, Port's dmg

[zenith tundra]

i'll try noshiro tank in 13-3 boss and see if she can tank it on auto at lethal

as soon as she reaches 120

that's the tank test for me

[elder crane]

Yeah, that's a pretty interesting test
compare her perf to like, say, chinawall and Roon/Port/etc.

[zenith tundra]

azuma did tank all my 13-3 clears on auto not even close to die

[elder crane]

metrics to see are dmg output and survival time

[vague token]

i mean azuma has like a bajillion hp

not really fair for a dr comparison xD

[elder crane]

actually, no

since Noshiro is supposedly gunning for a similar role

[zenith tundra]

i mean as a tank she is competing directly with azuma

[vague token]

not really? azuma is a solo carry

noshiro is a tank in that she also buffs weaklings

utility bot

[elder crane]

Doesn't matter on the tanking aspect

both compete for that role

[zenith tundra]

u don't use azuma for anything but boss fights since her cost is dumb

[vague token]

well yes, because if i used azuma i wouldnt bother with any other squishy dps xD

[elder crane]

also interesting to compare dmg output, to see what dmg the rest of team needs to output to reach parity

[vague token]

she's there to be extra thicc and ridic

[zenith tundra]

dps u can't compare till dev 30 azuma since it's not fair

[elder crane]

given 13-3 is CV pair boss, if Noshiro doesn't tank better than Azuma, that's pretty bad

wait, do the cranes in 13-3 spam more bombs/torps or more gunshots?

[zenith tundra]

i think it's a lot of bombing

[vague token]

if it's like 12-3 it's all bombs xD

[zenith tundra]

it's been a while since i cleared 13-3

[elder crane]

yeah, then Noshiro on paper should wayy outtank Azuma, I think, due to both a lot higher AA and light instead of Med armor

which will be interesting to see if that holds up in practice

[vague token]

you'd be using ryuuhou probably of course

[elder crane]

what
why

[vague token]

otherwise azuma would be better with unicorn right?

[elder crane]

oh, Azuma has uni backing her up?

[zenith tundra]

for some reason tho i had sandy with toolbox aa radar die before boss even spawned... those buffed normal ships are no joke

[vague token]

or lusty?

[elder crane]

idk I read it as without any backup

[vague token]

i mean i expect ill be using double support cv anyways xD

when we get there

cause that's what i always do lel

[zenith tundra]

i used essex centaur washi azuma sandy monty for boss

[elder crane]

Plus Ryuuhou doesn't work well for bosses

since only 3 heals

she stops healing after ~1 min, which is when you would most need it in a boss fight

well, on auto that is

[vague token]

[elder crane]

for manual, you can save them I suppose

[zenith tundra]

with azuma tank i wouldn't bother with heal just put dmg

[elder crane]

in any case, she's defs overhyped for tanking if she can't even outperform Azuma on tanking in this scenario
and I'm looking for massively outperform on tanking to not have it as evidence for rethinking her tanking-role-ranking

[vague token]

i thought she'd be for clearing with baltimore heavy dps

no eagle cv

kinda want to do that in pvp too

would be fun

[zenith tundra]

maybe she can work there but 3* main fleet are so tough that i had nep from 90% hp to proc her skill with shouhou heal in 1 fight

i don't think that she will just out tank nep over 6-7 battles

[finite valve]

compare a ship with no self heal skill to nep

yeh right

[vague token]

oh they suggest the single 150mm on noshiro

on the cn wiki tier list

otherwise her damage output drops like a rock

eg lower than zara

[zenith tundra]

problem is single 150mm on auto solo wouldn't work at all

[vague token]

she isnt a solo

she's definitely designed to be paired with others

[zenith tundra]

we need a single ap gun for nep then

[vague token]

she's tanky, but not as tanky as tank specialists.
good damage output, but not as much as dps specialists.
as a cl she contributes more AA and evasion (also ambush dodge)
she grants team wide durability and dps boost

she's the all in one type

definitely not a soloist

i think ill try lusty/amagi/x juneau/noshiro/baltimore

for pvp

might be fun

not sure on the third main

[zenith tundra]

if u want vg carry just wait for azuma

i don't think any ship in pvp comes close to her dmg from vg so consistently

[vague token]

well, azuma is actually worse on main step

cause her gun doesnt do as much as baltimore with anything

on heavy

or medium

xD

[zenith tundra]

with seattle gun there is no vg flying around main fleet for more then 10s

even yukikaze doesn't last much

[vague token]

that's fine, im not a meta boi

[zenith tundra]

no but all bb comps there will be using it

[vague token]

i just want to bring the highest CA fp in

[zenith tundra]

i could try testing with baltimore lvl 115 and noshiro off tank just for curiosity

what kind of gun u use? mle or skc?

[vague token]

id still use mle cause lower spread, higher range

and it dumps all the shots out faster

just a bit

personally id prefer to use SAP gun for kicks but i didnt get one, 12/15

=(((((((

[zenith tundra]

i have 1

but wouldn't use it in pvp not even for memes

[vague token]

well, baltimore overrides its ammo problem so it becomes usable

most raw projectiles per second for her armor break xD

barely

;)

[zenith tundra]

4 shoots with high cd... if u ever start missing with the 1st shoot u do 0 dmg for the next 8s

it just feels like it would be way too easy to screw with speed

[vague token]

i mean it has a larger angle than roon gun technically

xD

not sure why really

39 compared to 38

sanrui best angle though 40

or wait

sanrui is 38

maybe the prinz gun

40 angle

[zenith tundra]

core data he and printz gun have 40

[vague token]

if only there was like a 203 single

with 180

angle

xD

[zenith tundra]

time to test against this

[vague token]

team pr

xD

[zenith tundra]

does this work?

[vague token]

i personally use 127 but it's probably fine

[zenith tundra]

🇫 lol

[vague token]

extra bit of aa and all that

kek

i think you'll need some levels first xD

[zenith tundra]

as long as juneau dies before noshiro

is fine

hiryuu airstrike rips my vg lol

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

somehow speed makes ca worse i hate that

[vague token]

the struggle of 38 angle

=(

[zenith tundra]

can't seem to get my vg in front of main fleet but at least lasted as long as opponent

lvl 100 noshiro did more dmg lol

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

speed is one reason why i don't like ca in pvp. u need it to keep ur vg alive but also make their dmg way too inconsistent

[elder crane]

Azuma gun has 45 angle
and enough range to often hit enemy main fleet if enemy vanguard not in range
Which, actually, I have a question for you @zenith tundra
Do you notice any difference in Azuma shooting at main fleet between offense and defense?
datamined range values for Azuma gun suggests that defense Azuma might have offense main fleet in range more often than offense Azuma has defense main fleet in range

[vague token]

oh we have no azuma emotes

weird

[zenith tundra]

from what i've seen i can tell that sometimes my azuma shoots just miss main fleet by a little bit. i guess on defense she would hit those compared to offense

[elder crane]

#defensebias

[zenith tundra]

isn't vg just straight up better on defense outside the fact of getting murdered by bb aux

[shy hazel]

and didnt u show something

zack

that new ship is better than fdg

[elder crane]

I was more thinking of actually being able to fire (range), but if that also happens, it might have even more of an effect than I suspected

[shy hazel]

in def fleet

[elder crane]

yeah, true on positioning

also BB shot flight time

and converging torps

[zenith tundra]

how would i even notice that if i never saw i suruga defense

[shy hazel]

👀

[elder crane]

broken telephone

he said that his Namagi lv110(?) Suruga team on offense beat a Namagi FdG defense team, iirc

[zenith tundra]

i've been grinding her a lot and still only 113. don't expect jp to be much better then en

[elder crane]

idk how that morphed into "suruga is better than fdg in def fleet"

[zenith tundra]

i said that and then lost 3 in a row against that due to nagato barrages difference

i'll pay more attention to azuma mg activation and see if she ever not uses it on cd because of opponent vg position

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i think azuma mg suffers from same problem that it has in pve where mg activates but the aiming is off like actually just targeting open water like when ca gun activates and target moves out of range in the delay before volley

[vague token]

just CA things

[sharp wing]

Memery

[ionic magnet]

who said mag torps are rare again?

[zenith tundra]

i need to find a defense azuma to see the difference but i guess with main fleet being closer she can just aim at it more easily while on offense it needs to be closer then the usual position

[vague token]

symmetrical fleet positions when

[zenith tundra]

i say they are rare after opening like 24 boxes and getting 0

[finite valve]

well quad mag is where's at

quint is useable but not best

[zenith tundra]

i don't think azuma aiming more at vg then main fleet is a bad thing for offense since it makes it easier to get rid of opponent vg without needing cv or nagato barrages

[vague token]

i mean the main thing is that she just wastes less damage since she loses less lock ons

[zenith tundra]

well she does suffer from same problem as ca that enemy speed screws her up quite a bit

[vague token]

yeah

obviously her main perk is having a bajillion hp

[zenith tundra]

with no dr buff in pvp

[vague token]

i mean outside of roon it's still higher than everyone else

or prinz i guess

xD

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if azuma build with gyro rudder works on roon too

[vague token]

i was using gyro/rudder on CAs for a while, just cause the speed helps a lot

xD

[zenith tundra]

but imo azuma dmg in pvp stands out much more then her hp. especially when u see some yukikze just refusing to die

[elder crane]

Magtorps are rare?

[zenith tundra]

i only have 6 quads

[hot creek]

I've zero gold sub torps feelsbadman

[elder crane]

4 of each for me

[frail orbit]

7 quads here

[ionic magnet]

whats up with that ratio
3 quints 8 quads

[elder crane]

8 gold mag quads for me, obviously
I was like, I've 50 IB gold boxes, might as well open them
right as I was complaining that I had gotten no gold magtorps since Februrary
then bam, 3

one of them is farmed tbf

[vague token]

blue must have paid off akashi

[elder crane]

Remember to pamper your akashi

[vague token]

her convention skin is better

xD

[elder crane]

I prefer to be taunted by gems and cubes

[frail orbit]

At least not fooken me
15 gold cata, 1 laying useless ever since I got them bacon

[elder crane]

"that's what you could've had, instead you have this skin"

[frail orbit]

Just buy Juno skin anyway

U got Akashi skin too btw

2 in 1

What a deal

[elder crane]

did somebody say, "too many useless gold catas?"

tbf everyone playing for a long time has this many

[zenith tundra]

gold cata will be more relevant with airspace control

when ur forced to use more cv

[elder crane]

Still don't need 21 of them

+2 in prints I can build

[vague token]

i think im at 20

[zenith tundra]

depends on how much u like to swap and how many cv u want equipped

[frail orbit]

@elder crane longtime player too ehh

[zenith tundra]

only 7 +10 isn't that much

[elder crane]

not even final form btw
24 105 s

+1 I can build

Yeah, I'd +10 10 catas ideally, but you know, aux plates and all

[ionic magnet]

gold catas are instant scrap at this point

[frail orbit]

Oh well.
Got em 105 at 28

Lemme have em all catas at +10 anyway keks since as Hooloo said

[elder crane]

glhf having all your other aux at +6 then

[zenith tundra]

somehow only 10 105

[elder crane]

ah, good ole #HFCthings
one of their vanguard lives through the CV nuke
it's Juneau

[frail orbit]

And am here assuming u guys have 7++ STAAG smhw

[vague token]

im not

[zenith tundra]

i have the least of them only 2

[elder crane]

Ykkz sinks
Sanrui sinks (Sirius > Aurora ftw)
Jun lives

[vague token]

im using double gold boiler on ykkz so sometimes she randomly sinks

xD

[ionic magnet]

i like 105mm tbh cos i can put it on any ship and not feel bad about removing one of my bofors/ufos from my other botes

[frail orbit]

Then the only remaining is Mamagi

[elder crane]

I like 105 cause it's the best monogun setup

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

no joke

[ionic magnet]

so ive been doing big brain strats all this time

[vague token]

i just use w/e gold aa i have xD

[zenith tundra]

my favorite aa gun is pr 2 ijn 40mm. u use that on anything that doesn't have great aa

[elder crane]

#justHFCthings
Last enemy ship alive, Bel
My vanguard sunk
5 strikes to kill a 20% HP Bel

[ionic magnet]

oops almost forgot

10 mins to reset

[zenith tundra]

just farm seattle guns

[elder crane]

Oh look, Port and ykkz sank before Jun again
AA mode OP

[ionic magnet]

0 bonus this reset really

[elder crane]

I'm just really enjoying how this team turns conventions on their heads

[zenith tundra]

now i guess u see why i wouldn't use heavy armor on azuma. no reason to make ur life harder for little gain

[elder crane]

Stuff that normally might be an issue, isn't
Stuff that normally is no issue, sometimes is

It's just so different

[frail orbit]

Just ditch Jun for Sirius lah Siriusly

Only for HMS Fried Chicken tho

[elder crane]

[frail orbit]

Oh well

F&C

Formidable n Centaur

Fish n Chips

[vague token]

if only it worked on defense

=(

[frail orbit]

FISH N CHIPS

[ionic magnet]

not when i specifically bought sheff skin so i can use her in pvp

[elder crane]

What about Cygnet?

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

why are you talking about Cygnet

[frail orbit]

Guys
We got a new name for Formi Cent duo

FISH N CHIPS

[elder crane]

again, why are you talking about Cygnet :FumizukiStare:

[frail orbit]

AS ALL HMS SHALL EAT THAT

[zenith tundra]

nakaga torp meme can actually just 1 shoot everything if u consider that juneau dies to torp and yuki azuma die to airstrike then ur stuck with opponent vg just tanking ur hiryuu airstrike and ur mainfleet tanking akaga airstrike which can easily be a reset

[elder crane]

Yuki doesn't really though

she dies more to torps than to Akaga

[frail orbit]

Heard that Wakaga having abysmal winrate tho

[elder crane]

or Nagato barrage

[frail orbit]

And Nakaga . . .

Wtf

[ionic magnet]

just use noshiro

[vague token]

free bulge for destroyers xD

[zenith tundra]

it's just rng i don't see the need to ever face with a slow/without evasion azuma face for little gain against nagato barrage that is even not a reset if i'm 2-3 down because of heavy armor hiryuu

[elder crane]

this season has been so dead

[ionic magnet]

and well theres really so few good torp meme users out there

[frail orbit]

At least

Long live Corgi Fish n Chips

Or Corgi Fried Chicken

[ionic magnet]

speaking of weird stuff

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

Chicken-Fried Corgi

[vague token]

how did prinz survive that

xD

[ionic magnet]

yea lol

[vague token]

i just noticed baltimore mentions pittsburgh

another baltimore class

owo

gimme more gun CAs

[zenith tundra]

0 chances for bonuses after +2

[serene saddle]

There nothing more annoying than meeting a tanky dodge prinz

Who delay her death

[sharp wing]

My def vg has Eldie

I will delay you till you drop

[shell heron]

Yes

[vague token]

hmm maybe if i go formidable/amagi/lusty with juneau/baltimore/noshiro

would be fun

[midnight heron]

if only my steel was dis op

[charred sable]

If only Meowfficers had an effect in PvP

[vague token]

@ionic magnet

https://gyazo.com/0a4c8976802f4e2912160f937db24767

[ionic magnet]

go get stalled by my immortal cockroach

[vague token]

xD

[forest lake]

Ibuki

[vague token]

jokes on you im using the same

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

fakebuki

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/181b96cd53c3eb437e5a54a0785dc276

xD

[ionic magnet]

[charred sable]

Wouldn't Duke be a better center with her AoE barrage?

[vague token]

duke doesnt have an aoe barrage

she has a target far

[charred sable]

...am I confusing her with another red-headed BB?

[vague token]

yes

[sharp wing]

Sure thing

[vague token]

that's a super volatile match up because sometimes you just dont do damage to juneau and it's really random lol

[smoky elk]

u mean Maryland?

or Monarch?

[vague token]

probably monarch

[ionic magnet]

im using zero rudders rn cos theyre all in d3
but either way i dont expect them to do well in def

[midnight heron]

maryland in pvp

[vague token]

that fleet is more annoying just cause they dont kill juneau half the time lol

namagi fleets are more consistent

[ionic magnet]

yea its designed to kill a backliner before jun

[dry agate]

would Twin 203mm (Model 1927) be good on Azuma if you don't have the new gun yet?

[midnight heron]

more like u dont use her without her gun since u prob wont even hav enuf bp to make her viable after u even make her gun

[dry agate]

I get Azuma research everytime I see it

which is 10times more often then I see Fred

[shell heron]

what a perfectly dead reset

[dry agate]

but still didn't answer weather other guns are useable for Azuma in pvp
that's what I'm asking

[midnight heron]

i think my answer is pretty clear

as for whether im right or not idk

[dry agate]

I didn't ask about what her optimal set up is tho

[vague token]

azuma would be worse than most CAs even with her durability with anything outside of her gun

100% efficiency and her offensive skills dont work

you'd probably better with portland at that point xD

so you should just use w/e if you really want to use her

[dry agate]

O forgot her skill is based off the gun

[vague token]

yeah

she will lose on barrage amp, damage based on distance, burn damage

oh actually

you COULD use shark gun

the 280mm

and that would work with her red skill

but it wont boost her barrage

also note that it doesnt work with the burn portion of course

[dry agate]

I saw that
but doesn't seem worth investing in

[midnight heron]

I didn't ask about what her optimal set up is tho

but still didn't answer weather other guns are useable for Azuma in pvp

it does feel like u were asking for optimal guns tho; guns cant be classified as useable if they arent somewhat optimal

but yea u got ur answer anyway

[dry agate]

I was trying to get an answer not based off her main gun
but forgot one of her skills was based on it

so it would've been simple to say that

[midnight heron]

ic

[sharp wing]

I got more FdG bps

than azuma

[midnight heron]

same bruh game keeps giving fdg for some reason

just got lady gaga in daily 3 pull

[hot creek]

they're pretty equal for me. But I do have a couple more FDG atm

[edgy cypress]

so i saw this

i dont think this is a good comp imo

is it?

[vague token]

no juneau/10

[red nexus]

Nope

1. Why the fuck would you use ayanami in pvp
2. Why the fuck wouldn't you use juneau
3. Why the fuck wouldn't you use amagi

[hot creek]

Non juneau comps can work if you all in on torp memes and sink enemy juneau near opening. Of course, that will require some resetting whenever your torps whiff but its viable.

[meager dawn]

That guy is living in 2018-early 2019 meta

[shy hazel]

genius lineup

ppl should use that more

so i can just click and never look in my phone screen

[edgy cypress]

thanks now time to debunk

this guy