pvp

[empty grove]

Is that crosswave skills

I thought she got leaked

[zenith tundra]

do u know endurance and multi attacks in al?

[empty grove]

Endurance could have just been a weird TN

& multi attacks a unique skill

[zenith tundra]

according to the chart below endurance seems to be hp

also max lvl 200...

rip al if that would be a thing

[empty grove]

I should have read it & not skimmed it

[vague token]

xD

so she's like sodak, but she heals a fixed % of her own hp

and doesnt absorb it

she just negates it for free

[zenith tundra]

that would be something

problem would be if the timing is good for actual stuff in pvp

[forest lake]

Gei stuff

[zenith tundra]

not like sd

[forest lake]

If she has a good barrage

[vague token]

the support is just like when she's used as an assist character

not fielded

so you wouldnt get skill 2 and skill 3 at the same time

[zenith tundra]

there is no such thing in al

[ionic magnet]

would legit bring ijn to god tier again

[vague token]

yeah but you wouldnt get both in AL

[zenith tundra]

ijn is god tier with 4/6 ships in best comp ever

[forest lake]

Shima's skills

[vague token]

although i guess they could give skill 3 as a backline sheffield type

[forest lake]

Boost dmg and speed

[vague token]

3500 hp on a dd

(wouldnt translate here obviously)

[ionic magnet]

thats lv 100 too lol

[zenith tundra]

it's damage to allies... is it dmg taken by them or done by them

[ionic magnet]

should be dmg buff

[forest lake]

If it was damage taken by them

Then that's some real pepega

[ionic magnet]

^

[zenith tundra]

wording is weird

[vague token]

i mean it's a translation xD

[zenith tundra]

f

[vague token]

still easier to figure out than load/preparation time

kek

[zenith tundra]

dd having half hp of a bb in that is a bit weird

[frail orbit]

Better just wait it seems eh

Like how

The wording is meh

[zenith tundra]

it's tl so...

[frail orbit]

Also 3500 HP ain't surprised me a bit tho

She's basically some experimental thingy after all

[zenith tundra]

she has 10k at 200

[ionic magnet]

suruga has torp stat too from the teaser

[zenith tundra]

bb shooting torp is old news already

[vague token]

oxytorp on main fleet when

[zenith tundra]

cv aux on shibuki when

[vague token]

still wouldnt help that 80% efficiency but would be fun

[zenith tundra]

i-13 can't use cv aux too... why bbv can then?

[vague token]

cause it's main/vg biased

=(

[zenith tundra]

oxy on main would help with hm too

[vague token]

same with avi on shibuki

you could save a bit of oil and cheat your avi higher

xD

[zenith tundra]

i usually mind more using more torp ships then cv

[vague token]

i mean the last torp requirement was like what, 2k+? i forget

[zenith tundra]

they need to release new jintsuu like ships so u can actually level something

[vague token]

oh, an update

weird

[elder crane]

Why not just use some random one of the 100 IJN loliships?

[vague token]

i still need to level mogami and jintsuu anyways

[zenith tundra]

my dock is either 100+ ships that i'm leveleing or 70- that are just wasting space

i don't have any decent ship around 100

[frail orbit]

Meanwhile mine at 600ish of dock space

[zenith tundra]

i have 450 and don't have yet problems with space

[frail orbit]

Me too

But kinda like
Too much empty space keks

[hot creek]

I'm at 270 feelspoorman

[frail orbit]

Anyway tho.
Looking at Suruga skill . . .

Ain't it a bit meh tho, something like SoDak?

[zenith tundra]

if she only reduces dmg instead of absorbing with good timing she would be usable

imagine a 30% dr at 10s

[elder crane]

If it heals too, that's

[forest lake]

Now if only she has a good barrage

[frail orbit]

Anyone played CW there?

[elder crane]

Dw she's an upgraded Amagi irl so I expect a no worse barrage

[frail orbit]

How's her barrage there?

[forest lake]

Irl doesn't translate well to AL so

[frail orbit]

Also asking there koz gameplay plebs just keks with things outside pve

[zenith tundra]

i applied for beta bit didn't get choosen

[forest lake]

There're streams

I know NGA's having one

[frail orbit]

@forest lake laugh in SB2C 2nd class son of a b11ch better than BTD

[zenith tundra]

i'll just wait for the game

[forest lake]

3 days

[frail orbit]

Seriously

[forest lake]

Guess we'll wait and see

Imma just hope it's not an IJN cancer side grade to FdG

[zenith tundra]

as long as she is good i'm happy. (kind of don't want to buy another ring for suruga for pvp)

[frail orbit]

I'd prefer it to be a cancer too

Since I preferred a fleet full of oneesama backliners

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

Like how. Lemme still using KFC nowadays just bkoz KFC + Aurora Belfap Sirius, siriusly

[zenith tundra]

i doubt anyone will remove loligato from pvp till yamato

[frail orbit]

I have WaKai tho. With Mon and QE keks

Nagatoot ain't even that big of an influence when ur RNG sucks keks

Just slap WaKai

[elder crane]

If she's good enough, she joins the flex spot of Namagi
No way Nagato gets edged out with 2 other IJN main fleet and Azuma around, her offensive buffs are too good

[zenith tundra]

problem is she buffs the likes of azuma and amagi

[elder crane]

Unless Suruga gets flag req, but that's unlikely

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't mind a new flagship but 0 chances

[frail orbit]

Unlikely tbh.
Since after Shikishima class, no flagship til Nagato class

Even the early dreadnought like Fusou class keks

But we'll rather wait n see

[zenith tundra]

i just hope she gets good stats not like mikasa

[frail orbit]

Mikasa basically granny duh

Also small af

By WW2 standard she's around the size of CA keks

[oblique marsh]

Wow, I just realize that Centaur's yellow skill is an active type and not passive. Does this mean that Centaur+Enty is bad combination?

[zenith tundra]

centaur yellow skill being active or passive shouldn't really matter since she goes before other cv

[elder crane]

Suruga is an upgraded Amagi irl so stats should be around there
Probably lower Eva but Heavy armour since BB rather than BC iirc

[zenith tundra]

amagi stats are good it's her skills that are broken

if they upgrade those too...

[frail orbit]

Suruga basically fast battleship anyway

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/ESrML/5fca089fa4.png they fixed my sign....sort of....

[zenith tundra]

lol

[coral wren]

fast battleships are called battlecruisers

[zenith tundra]

1st bc with heavy?

that would make her special

[frail orbit]

BC is even more nebulous

Like how

The definition ain't even uniform

[elder crane]

@coral wren lolwut

You know KGV-class, NCs, SoDaks, Iowas, are all "fast battleships", right?

Iowa is BC confirmed

[hot creek]

fast battleships are battleships that go fast.

[coral wren]

Uhh, no?

[elder crane]

BCs hard trade something for their speed
Fast battleships roughly don't

[zenith tundra]

are u gonna repost the bug report for the sign?

[coral wren]

Wait, yamato class is a "asy battleship" also?

[hot creek]

I probably will eventually. Im pretty surprised they responded that fast after months of it being bugged lol. Guess I really did need to report it.

[elder crane]

In the case of the IJN/RN/French BCs, they trade armor
KMS ones trade armament, although that's not reflected in AL

[coral wren]

Ok, that was unexpected

[elder crane]

No Yamato is superdreadnought

[hot creek]

Iowa is a good girl.

[elder crane]

Bis and Tirp also classify under "fast battleship"

[hot creek]

I only know the difference between fast/not fast BB cause it mattered in KC

[elder crane]

Defs not BCs either

[coral wren]

Uhm, for some reason wiki includes yamato in fast battleship class

[zenith tundra]

is that why only aux+1?

[elder crane]

Ehhh
I suppose it depends on the boindaries used

Yamato isn't super slow, but that's just mostly due to size more than specifically designed for speed

[coral wren]

But to be honest, i'd consider only iowa to be a fast battleship since her speed was 33 knots which i think even surpasses that of hood. Kgv is like 1 knot above of yamato

[frail orbit]

The deffo of fast battleship is real nebulous too tbh

Unless we're using the deffo of QE class as the prime example of fast BB

But then let's talk about it on either #al-lore or #history

[coral wren]

Ok, they include even queen elizabeth. I guess every battleship now is a fast battleship, lmao

[frail orbit]

Their qualification was 25 knot at minimum of top speed tho

[hot creek]

Gotta go fast.

[elder crane]

Wait wait lol
PoW's motto is "Ich dien" (I serve)
....
Notice anything fonny about that?

[zenith tundra]

isn't that german?

[frail orbit]

Windsor was German

Saxe Coburg Gotha keks

But the fact that a Gotha aircraft attacking UK was well

Not received well

So they changed their surname into Mountbatten-Windsor

[elder crane]

Yeah, which is why I'm surprised PoW kept her motto German

I suppose she's interwar, so less issues?

[frail orbit]

She's built after they changed their surname tho

[elder crane]

Doesn't mean they didn't keep/revert some mottos
Tradition and all

[frail orbit]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Wales's_feathers

Based on this

[elder crane]

Yeah, I suppose that's something they kept/reverted after ww1
Still funny though

Nazi Germany isn't linked to royal family anyways, so less of an issue there

[frail orbit]

Especially considering PoW had a German gf and her namesake being a Nazi sympathizers

Her being originally named King Edward VIII btw

[elder crane]

Well, not to the degree of to the German royal family at least

And not sure how common-knowledge the link of royal family to Nazis is
British royals to German royals on the other hand, was common knowledge, hence the scramble to rename house and all in ww1

[frail orbit]

Edwards VIII was accused of being their sympathizer tho

[elder crane]

Yeah but he got yeeted so I suppose

[frail orbit]

No
He yeeted himself

[hot creek]

1 azuma BP from a 5 hr azuma focus comm

starting to think those long ones aren't worth it when I could just get shit like this from a 1hr/3cube comm https://puu.sh/ESluL/069d70f5b1.png

[coral wren]

Just got that as well, but without azuma

5h purples not worth it it seems

[hot creek]

Im now king of the rushers

[inner quiver]

congrats

[hot creek]

I feed the people.

[ripe latch]

[forest lake]

[upper sparrow]

[zenith tundra]

i would still take 100% azuma/fdg bps over a chance especially since only cubes are more or less reliable for dr bps

[finite valve]

i think the game is telling me something

but what

[forest lake]

Clearly telling you to grind Kitakaze

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

fdg researches are more rare then azuma

[meager dawn]

Are her BPs also rarer than azuma BPs

[ripe latch]

[meager dawn]

8h 8k gold fdg and I get 1 fdg BP

fucking worth

not

[zenith tundra]

imo is still worth once ur ships will look like these

[meager dawn]

So like in 2 years

[zenith tundra]

more like 6-8 months

[granite flame]

FDG Bismarck Tirpitz or FDG Bismarck Graf, which would be best in this meta?

[shy hazel]

do you mean pvp

fdg and anything not kms will be the meta

[granite flame]

@shy hazel let me believe

[shy hazel]

unfortunately

[granite flame]

I have a simmer of hope worst comes to worst I could just run FDG Bisko Amagi

[shy hazel]

jp exists

and ppl tested it alrdy

it will be

much

fat

far

worse

we call it meta 3.0

[granite flame]

This is fine

Yes I know FDG Amagi/Naga WS Retro

[shy hazel]

until they give better kms ships or refits

kms wont be usable

[granite flame]

Started getting back into pvp yesterday with WASD Backline and warspite retro 2 shots everyone aside from soudak

You’re not wrong on calling it cancer 3.0

[shy hazel]

pvp will be more exclusive

lazy ppl who dont farm fdg and azuma early

shall suffer

[granite flame]

I can’t go full FDG carry mode? FDG Bisko Amagi won’t save you from cancer 3.0?

[shy hazel]

fdg wont save kms

[granite flame]

Excluding frontlines

[shy hazel]

nothing will

fdg will save your current meta fleet tho

and kms isnt meta

[granite flame]

the WASD?

[shy hazel]

wasd isnt meta anymore

hms is closer

[granite flame]

I’ve been using it for months

[shy hazel]

you must be losing alot now

well

if u even reach the latter parts

[granite flame]

Lots of resets usually

[shy hazel]

meta in this channels description basically means

2 reset at max but usually no reset

kind of fleet

[granite flame]

I don’t have trouble ending the season top 100 and I could sand bag to top 10 but I always end up forgetting a pvp reset and losing 5 runs

With WASD

Maybe that’s just attacker bonus

[shy hazel]

thats the reason

ppl build meta fleet

so give lesser attention to pvp

just click and go away

and see yourself win

[granite flame]

Sad times pepehands

[shy hazel]

meta will just be hms with fdg or ijn with fdg

[forest lake]

[elder crane]

NamagiWSret and skip the FdG

[granite flame]

I thought NamagiWSret lineup was worse than WSret Amagi/or Nagato FDG lineup

[meager dawn]

what

[granite flame]

Fixedx2

[zenith tundra]

ws nagato fdg sounds dumb

u can go with ws amagi fdg but u lose nagato buff on amagi azuma and yukikaze and amagi cd buff by running ws over nagato

amagi ws fdg would most likely still win easily tho

[elder crane]

20 FdG prints
on my way to terrorize PvP soon (tm)
and ofc desire sensor means just 14 Azuma prints

[sharp wing]

ws with rainbow gun will be fine to deal w/ FdG on offense anyway

Just make Azuma bring yr freedom to yr enemies faces... wait

[sharp wing]

Wait, we weren't able to do exp1+2 same time in PR1 right?

PR2 doesn't require activating, so can do both same time

[midnight heron]

the restriction is still there tho

[sharp wing]

complete grind 1 before grind 2?

[finite valve]

you can do PR 2 w/o doing 1

and no you can choose either PR 1 or 2 ship 1 at a time

[sharp wing]

that's not what we are talking about...

[finite valve]

oh you mean the exp for data

nope

[sharp wing]

obviously u can do pr2 without pr1

[finite valve]

need to finish 1 before 2

[sharp wing]

yeah

[finite valve]

as if they going to give you ez way out lol

[sharp wing]

A man can dream

[finite valve]

no way in hell they going to let you combine those 2

[sharp wing]

At least i can use carriers, bms, dds now

[finite valve]

tell that to fdg

[sharp wing]

need lvl that zeppy

[finite valve]

i prefer mature zeppy

[sharp wing]

me too, but she is lvled

[finite valve]

oh shit

gg

[sharp wing]

and my Bisco at 200

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

might work w/ Derpitz

Where is ring pack

Not gonna 120 unoathed ships

well, nvm, just gonna grind zeppy and sharks to 100 aff and call it a day

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

sharks not even mlb yet

[elder crane]

I'm on track to dev30 them before 4 months
Well, at least before the next few events derail me

[sharp wing]

I'm ready to go below 100 cubes next event

[shell heron]

I havent seen a pr2 cube project yet. Have enough cubes to spam them and still not worry about banners

[granite flame]

This upcoming event is going to add an extra 2 months to the dev 30 for my FDG

[shell heron]

[sharp wing]

Are you swaying on the loli side

[zenith tundra]

not worth to pick pr over dr in the long run

[ashen lion]

I will follow you pinix chan

[sharp wing]

Get a list 4 ppl below lvl 30 what the hell...

[ashen lion]

Just refrest it

[sharp wing]

0 refreshes left

[ashen lion]

Refresh

[midnight heron]

found the demon

[sharp wing]

Exchange has 2 Sanrui bps today

Medals now will go lightning fast

[valid stirrup]

where does pearls tear normally go on. i still haven't did the collection thing to get that equip, but eh

still need to go fix up my pvp offense+defense squads, but hm i think juneau+sanrui+monty is fine for now, and replace monty with ykk once i get her leveled

[vague token]

in that setup you'd put it on monty (juneau is lead right?)

[valid stirrup]

yuh, jun is leader

[vague token]

then yeah

you put pearl on juneau when she isnt lead

[valid stirrup]

but once i throw YKK in, who gets it. sanrui?

[sharp wing]

eve if jun doesn't lead, you usually don't put pearls on her

Only when u have really long lasting tank

that will die after main ships die

Things like bel get pearl at tank slot

[vague token]

if you get ykk you'd probably swap the formation to sanrui/juneau/ykkz, in which cause juneau takes it

cause sanrui is big tank

[valid stirrup]

wait, jun isn't supposed to die first and heal ur main+vanguard?

[sharp wing]

If sanrui can outlive 1 of yr main fleet ships, sure she won't carry pearls

if jun dies too early, her heal is wasted

U need main fleet to take some damage before

and if she dies early with pearls on her, that's double wasted

vg is all about supporting main fleet

And my Buki totally never do 20k damage

[valid stirrup]

is warkai gud for pvp defense since people can just reposition

[sharp wing]

for defense not really

You can counter it in million ways

[granite flame]

When do they release the event to get warspites required retrofit item again?

Or is it unknown

[sharp wing]

and she loses her early kill potential due to 20% damage reduction buff for offense side

I can give You dates og cn/jp event to relate

nvm, it had no rerun yet on other servers too

So it was almost a year with no rerun on other servers

So not expect it any time soon

[granite flame]

Guess I’m living without warspite retrofit

[sharp wing]

yeah...

sandy event for comparison

[granite flame]

Best I can do now Backline wise is FDG Amagi Nagato or something else

[sharp wing]

tho ye...

sit tight

Devs got Sandy bias confirmed

well, FdG is completely not "now"

since it needs max dev

so either old cancer or FC comp

[valid stirrup]

wonder if level 115 is 'enough' since 115-120 is so

[sharp wing]

lvl is very important

even 1 lvl difference is noticable

since it's 2% extra damage received and 2% less damage dealt

[south ore]

warkai rerun is right now on jp and cn

[sharp wing]

and 1st run was february

[granite flame]

Sad times

Does FDGs equipment want a white or black shell? Or just FW radar tower and something else like a wash machine

[sharp wing]

none..

[elder crane]

Usual setup for FdG
Rudder/Badge+SG defensive
SG+SG middling
SG+White shell (white shell >> black shell for FdG due to skill, especially if you want to meme with Bismarck) offensively
HFCR in place of an SG optionally

[hot creek]

5 hr elite focus comm confirmed scam

Had a choice between that one and a sr 4hr/10cube one to go overnight. Shoulve chose the cube one

[finite valve]

lol my 8h 8k gold for azuma give 1 bp

[vague token]

i got 5 seattle bps from my 8 hour, 8k gold

xD

[ripe latch]

true degen random

[hot creek]

Dont do it. You'll get plenty of the other BP from a byproduct trying to chase DR BP

[ripe latch]

[hot creek]

If I'm able to keep up with my current rate of DR prints/day at about 7, I'd be able get dev 60 DR in about 4 and a half months . However, my deficit of 14cube/day says that's not sustainable

So yeah...I'll probably still choose those focus coin comms anyways.

[ionic magnet]

azuma is the only game changer anyways
maybe it will be sustainable if you only focus her
fdg is w/e

[sharp wing]

Mommy FdG vs Onee-san Azuma

[hot creek]

The problem is, there is no such thing as focusing a specific DR. It's spam cube comms and pray to RNGesus.

[sharp wing]

can't spam cube comms, when events make u 0 cube

[vague token]

think new event will have new gear?

[hot creek]

sextuple mag torps with shimakaze

[ionic magnet]

i mean you can skip fdg focused comms

but yea its still hard to sustain

[hot creek]

I will have to start checking daily shops for cube deals again

Can't remember the last time I actively checked shops

[ripe latch]

3-5 coubs from comms

[ionic magnet]

i always check shops for aux plates

[sharp wing]

Keep forgetting about lecture hall

[hot creek]

I actively ignore lecture hall. Shit's too annoying to deal with to be worth my time.

All it is is a more annoying dorm with crappier xp yields.

[vague token]

i just use it when i remember to since it only works on under 100s

xD

[shell heron]

Can cube projects cost double cubes if I dont need to spend gold? My 1900 cubes are gathering dust

[hot creek]

thats about how much I'd need to sustain DR 60 in 4 months lol

how'd you get so many cubes?

[finite valve]

being a luck sag and not using cubes research

[sharp wing]

what the actual hell, lol. you should of skipped like half banners

[shell heron]

I dont skip any banner

And I do all 30 minute cube projects

Even izumos

Which I got 5 in a row

[hot creek]

What's your secret then? In cahoots with a certain shopkeeper?

[ionic magnet]

whats your average pulls on every banner?

10?

[shell heron]

30 actually. 10 being my min and 50 my high

With an extreme outlier of 70

[ionic magnet]

wow extreme outlier

70

thats prolly my luckiest pull ever

[midnight heron]

i think he means he's the outlier

[ionic magnet]

we're paying for his rolls basically

[shell heron]

Please continue to do so

[hot creek]

and I thought I was a lucker dog.

[empty grove]

Imagine having luck

This is why he got stalled into next season

[ionic magnet]

oh was about to say

meanwhile i need to pull atleast 100 every banner..

[sharp wing]

50 10x per banner sounds right...

I haven't been safe w/ 300 cubes for a while

[coral wren]

[forest lake]

x-2 btw

[proper thistle]

wrong chat but ty

lol

[zenith tundra]

last event was only 40 builds for all collab ships

for me

before that god damn muse cleveland took the whole event of 3x daily builds. got 9 sr event ships before her

[shell heron]

last event was the outlier of 70 builds. Got enough fubukis to MLB her before I got aqua

Still don't know when will I use aqua or fubuki

[zenith tundra]

tbh idc about aqua even of she is good. rarely i actually use subs in battle and for hp dmg before battle anything works.

[vague token]

i dunno how you would fit her if you are using the ssv, who would be the 3rd sub

the one who can be called anywhere once per stage?

[zenith tundra]

what comp are u talking about? i-13 with who

[vague token]

aqua

like assuming you take i13 (best utility), aqua (big barrage), who is left for the third

[past egret]

What in the fuck is this

Is this new

[vague token]

pr2

[past egret]

I never saw it on research only

[zenith tundra]

pr2 worse staag

[past egret]

Before PR2 cane to EN

[vague token]

it gives 5 hit or whatever right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[vague token]

aka worse staag

[forest lake]

in every aspect

[zenith tundra]

about third dunno maybe i-19 or i-168 not sure which is better

[vague token]

i wouldnt be able to use aqua cause i use double gato

[zenith tundra]

my 120 subs comp is i-13 i-19 i-168

[vague token]

but I'll swap when we get i13 to something

not sure what yet xD

[zenith tundra]

it's such a pain to level up subs tho

[vague token]

yeah, i use auto though xD

[zenith tundra]

too much oil

i just put em in dorm and forget about them

[vague token]

im at oil soft cap a lot so gotta burn it all xD

3:3 ch 12, auto sub all day

[zenith tundra]

aren't u farming pr2?

[vague token]

yes, but im not that active

atm im doing 12-3 with hyuuga/akashi/kirishima for main exp

just do my dailies and a bit more every so often

lots of comm exp though

xD

course new event means less main exp too x_X

[zenith tundra]

i play the same in between events. don't really bother farming tbh. not looking forwars to pr3 farm either

[vague token]

[sour oasis]

Was chatting with blue about PvP mods if we can't retool it altogether. What if PvP list's top10 was a bar and not a gate? Those that hit admiral can keep the title and the +10 merit per fight (no matter what their rank), but drop off the public list. It opens the spots up for other players who can reach 2200+ rank. (Or raise the rank point requirements)

[vague token]

define mods

[meager dawn]

moderators

[hot creek]

reaching aotn is already easy enough as it is lol.

[vague token]

if anything it'd be better to just not have a list, you just get points and get your merits xD

[ionic magnet]

easier merit farm eh
but the real problem is the super outdated merit shop

[sour oasis]

Mod as in minor change versus drastic overhaul

Eh. AotN is currently all about timing (and luck). Which I have none (ditto) .

[empty grove]

[hot creek]

aotn is merely a matter of not missing your matches

[sour oasis]

... Elaborate on "missing your matches"

[hot creek]

just play your matches

[meager dawn]

so rush?

[sour oasis]

I have three unbeaten seasons. I've only gotten top20. (rushing or no)

[sharp wing]

If u just want aotn without sandbag, you shall not wait for it till Sunday

[zenith tundra]

just make sure u use ur attempts every day and not attack opponents ranked lower the u

[sharp wing]

Sunday aotn is for sandbaggers

[sour oasis]

Fair. But I can't rush until the weekend when I don't have to wake up early. (Hence my bias for proper timing)

[sharp wing]

U can get Aotn on Saturday even missing dozen matches

[zenith tundra]

u only need to rush it once

[sharp wing]

just don't try to compete with Friday rush and Sunday Sandbag

[sour oasis]

@sharp wing No. No I can't. Rushing Friday means I'm short points Saturday.

[sharp wing]

U will not win

[sour oasis]

I need those 5 point differences that separate rank 9 and 19.

[zenith tundra]

if u learn to sandbag even a bit aotn should be fairly easy

[sharp wing]

If u don't miss matches, u don't even need sandbag

just right timing on Saturday

[sour oasis]

Learning isn't the problem, being available to game at proper intervals is.

Timing is what gets me down.

[zenith tundra]

if time is a problem then pvp might be hard for u

[sharp wing]

Either of 2 resets on saturday is fine

just rush all ticks 10 mins before reset and 5 tix right after reset

easiest aotn of yr life

[sour oasis]

That is the theory. I have yet to see it succeed

[sharp wing]

with little sandbag i get aotn like that even with 10+ lost tickets

[finite valve]

@sour oasis just do 5 tries before each pvp reset and you will be able to reach aotn at either saturday or friday 2 reset

[sharp wing]

maximum i had was -14 i think

[sour oasis]

My worries are beating a team ranked below me (because at top 50, PvP 4 is a crap shoot) or taking too long in a fight (tix last 2 min vs IJN)

"-14"?

[sharp wing]

if u don't have anyone on lsit above you, refresyh

eating 1 +9 won't hurt you much either

You should get at least 1 bonus somewhere

[zenith tundra]

-14 is losing 14 attempts without using them

[sour oasis]

I usually refresh to find a weak defender, +9 be damned I'm afraid of taking too long

[shell heron]

oh...azuma needs 2.4m vanguard exp

[finite valve]

@sour oasis you only be able to beat any rank below you if you are at top 10

[shell heron]

I've been using main fleet

[finite valve]

there is no way for you to be match with someone below you if you are not in top 10

[zenith tundra]

🇫

maybe change ur comp to something faster?

[sharp wing]

sometimes being in top 100 u get full list of 100+

Also I don't see problem with long matches

[zenith tundra]

ws kai helps with fast matches

[sharp wing]

unless u wait like 5 mins before reset

[sour oasis]

Not when RNG says divine marksman is aiming at Hiryuu all night.

[sharp wing]

to do yr tickets, lol

[zenith tundra]

ws kai is not rng

it's based on position

[sour oasis]

Well I worry about the 5 tix after reset taking too long

[sharp wing]

warkai targets furthest enemy

[finite valve]

eh i dk about you but even if my WS is sniping bunny

[sour oasis]

I've seen WS Kai target from bottom up.

[finite valve]

match end in around 1min 30s top

it is not bunny you should be worry about

[sour oasis]

[zenith tundra]

that's because she is top

[finite valve]

is the torp autism VG

[sour oasis]

[sharp wing]

ws target furthest opponent, aka if ws bot position, will target top position and other way around

[zenith tundra]

mid will target 1st top then bottom

[finite valve]

my ws always target bunny and never have any problem

[sour oasis]

Wait, it depends on WS position as well?!

[zenith tundra]

ofc

[sharp wing]

obviously

[sour oasis]

Mind. Blown.

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

furthest enemy will differ depending on ws bot or top

simple math..

[sour oasis]

[vague token]

xD

i swapped her mid and it works a lot better for me

[karmic forum]

a^2 + b^2 = c^2

[zenith tundra]

mirrors azuma namaryuu can take me even 1:15min... that's actually long

[sharp wing]

simply put, ws will target diagonally

[sour oasis]

Thanks. I'll see how this season turns out.

[sharp wing]

regular matches on En usually don't last for 3 BB volleys

[vague token]

most people still dont use juneau so they go quick

[sharp wing]

torpmeme def best anyway

[zenith tundra]

not for stalling but rng resets

[sharp wing]

I had my buki snipe junie 1st too

[sour oasis]

A lot of opponents I see higher up use Juneau Yukikaze Saint.

[vague token]

what server

cause i like never see that

[sharp wing]

best vg is ykkz junie + random

[sour oasis]

Sometimes even Neptune over YKK

[sharp wing]

what server tho lol

[vague token]

belfast is most common for me

[sour oasis]

Avrora server

[sharp wing]

Doomed pvp

[sour oasis]

Could just be dumb luck we're seeing different comps. I almost never see Belfast any more.

[vague token]

sanrui was biggest bait

[sharp wing]

I didn't take it

[vague token]

cause we skipped when she was good xD

[sour oasis]

"Doomed PvP"?

[zenith tundra]

she is still good for stalling with eva gear

[vague token]

she isnt any better than belfast

who isnt selfish with her durability boost

and also still has preload torps and cl gun angles to threaten you with

[sharp wing]

Bel w/ PR2 gun

[ionic magnet]

what are u guys smoking
both sanrui and bel are very common in avrora

[vague token]

maybe for you

i see more bels

than sanrui

[sharp wing]

Memers only attract memers

What's yr vg now Kiro

[sour oasis]

I see way more STL than Bel

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/c033ec33f956f4264516b07e39c624eb

[sharp wing]

I see more torpmemes

That's not Meme enough

[vague token]

xD

im still training black prince ok

[sharp wing]

No excuses

Memes are maid of dreams

[sour oasis]

I see some Jintsu squads. Not 50%, but not few

[vague token]

look team DoT is still a WIP

[sharp wing]

What will happen to dreams

f there no memes

[vague token]

i have kirishima in ch12 for azuma exp ok

sora is in oil comms

[sharp wing]

Most scary is Kraken

[vague token]

ill work on atago eventually for team dot

since she has a fire chance boost too

[sharp wing]

Bel Atago

[vague token]

yeah im gonna do bel/atago/juneau with kirishima/sora/someone

[coral wren]

Is there a data on how does torp do against azuma?

[vague token]

either amagi for the carry or formidable for utility

not sure which yet

[sharp wing]

Mama-gi

[coral wren]

Smth like jin+ibuki and yuki

[zenith tundra]

i can tell u that torp memes for azuma namaryuu is pretty much not a problem

[sharp wing]

jint can't buff buki and too squish to oppose azuma

[coral wren]

Sad..

[vague token]

azuma has sooo much hp, it doesnt matter xD

[coral wren]

Well, it’s not about enduring but to crit the shit iutof axuma

[vague token]

sure, you can hit her for a 3k crit

it's like, congrats

[sharp wing]

she has 18k

[vague token]

you have 15k to go

meanwhile your jintsuu has a whopping 6k

and is about to get shot

ok more like 7k

[zenith tundra]

i lead with juneau so worst case scenario i lose her but still win because azuma yukikaze doesn't die anytime soon

[sharp wing]

18 022,99 unoathed Azuma hp

[upper sparrow]

[vague token]

so unless you hit her with every single rainbow torp

good luck

[sharp wing]

18 644,7 oathed Azuma hp

stat oath is real

[zenith tundra]

is that with equip?

[sharp wing]

no

base hp

just 120 pvp modifier

[vague token]

i mean it makes sense that oath does more for those who have more

xD

[sharp wing]

that 25+

dev

[zenith tundra]

7968x2.34=18645

[coral wren]

Well, considering how it’s not rare for vg to catch almost every torp

[forest lake]

Not vh instead of Rudder?

[vague token]

i mean azuma gets max hp from dev 25

not dev 30

so she wont get tankier

[zenith tundra]

fuck armor. too many nakaga around

on jp

[sharp wing]

max dev 120 oath hp should be 7 967,849

[forest lake]

Nakaga on JP is still alive

[zenith tundra]

plenty ffs

[forest lake]

[vague token]

from wiki i get 7541 / 1.06 * 1.12 * 2.34

[coral wren]

Jp is a meme region tho, no? Casuals all over

If you want to see competetive ppl it’s cn

[forest lake]

Jp

[vague token]

which is 18.644k

[forest lake]

Casuals

[zenith tundra]

some good namaryuu here and there. end seaaon is when u see actual def fleets

i guess not walling people off means easier sandbagging after all

i tried cn build for namaryuu in jp and was forced to reser against a nakaga comp. dunno about cn being competitive more then just different

or people there just like to reset

[coral wren]

They have different formulas, but how different they are is a good question

[zenith tundra]

nakaga literally becomes worst enemy for namaryuu once u forfeit def gear on main fleet and use heavy armor azuma. literally u get reduced to hiryuu only every match

[sharp wing]

well, obviously

heavy armor vg vs foxes

with lowest eva

And when vg dies yr no aa namagi is opened

But ryuu can still solo them in the end

[zenith tundra]

also cn using hit eva aux with beacon on hiryuu which means 0 def and insta final counter

[sharp wing]

lol

i saw that

[vague token]

bacon

[sharp wing]

I also don't see point of beacon on hiryuu

[vague token]

rudder/rwg

[sharp wing]

it's not fox duels

[zenith tundra]

in mirror it also leaves her open to nagato rng a lot more

[coral wren]

it gives you like what? 4% faster strike? Sounds like shit

[zenith tundra]

with that gear namaryuu is no longer slow tho. she can actually clear vg pretty fast

[coral wren]

Btw, am i seeing things or does hiryuu sometimes stay up with 1/3 hp while procing final counter? Is that a bug like, next attack that should kill her just gets whiffed instead?

[finite valve]

final counter proc when she receives fatal dmg

[forest lake]

if an attack that would be lethal

[karmic forum]

Its basically ice block

[finite valve]

so if she receive 1001 while at 1000 HP she will stay at 1k

[forest lake]

Meaning she can proc it if she gets torped for 2k+ and stay at 2k+ HP

[coral wren]

allright then

[vague token]

or if you shell her with ap guns and crit

xD

[coral wren]

Especially fun when you didn't notice your hiryuu got shit on, so then you can observe how she evaporates at 1/3 hp with no proccing counter final

[sharp wing]

Started watching buki damage on results screen... and she often goes into 15-20k, even outdamaging one of mains, if they dun proc

Also Mona hit 120 from pvp

Time to lvl something new

[hot creek]

torp memes with shimakaze

[zenith tundra]

shima sendai jintsuu?

[forest lake]

[vague token]

torp big or die trying

[coral wren]

make a kms fleet

[zenith tundra]

we need a kms jintsuu tho

[sharp wing]

kill yrself fleet

[coral wren]

kms jintsuu?

Do we have any info on surugay

What's her stats

[sharp wing]

After Cn maint

[coral wren]

Are there any kms cls left?

Ah alright

Im grinding for my kitakaze and its very depressing

[sharp wing]

Yr face looks depressing indeed

[coral wren]

Indeed

[sharp wing]

All rad

[finite valve]

you think 2 mill on her is depressing?

try adding 400k to that

lol

[coral wren]

I know I'm getting azuma next

I'm just getting both ijn

[finite valve]

getting mommy > my wife

[coral wren]

All other ships cn fk off

[finite valve]

after that i am just whatever

[sharp wing]

kita is 3 mill vg exp total

[coral wren]

I'm working on 2 mil now

Blücher, Admiral Scheer and a lot of destroyers

It's kinda easier than before since there's no specific ships

[sharp wing]

yes

pr2 exp is easy

[coral wren]

But the pr research kinda dumps on the pr 1

So most of my pr got stuck on 25

[sharp wing]

I still have over hundread gen bps for pr1

[coral wren]

I wonder how long it will take to get pr 2 to Dev 30

Damn whale

[sharp wing]

depends how hard u try

[finite valve]

for who is the question lol

[coral wren]

I'll trade my gold box for ur bps

9 months?

or smth like that

[finite valve]

9 months is for casual

[sharp wing]

DRs surely will take a year at yr pace...

[finite valve]

if you try i say 6 months

[zenith tundra]

for pr not that much

[elder crane]

Dw I'm on track to do it ~4 months

Ofc event probably derails me

[coral wren]

I'm gonna go tryhard for kitakaze and azuma

[elder crane]

That's for DRs btw

[coral wren]

Like 30 min grind per day

That's hardcore

Just whale when in doubt

[sharp wing]

that's too much

10 min + dailies

[zenith tundra]

i'm not whaling for research

[elder crane]

This morning

[coral wren]

lmao

[elder crane]

Today has been slow though

[forest lake]

DR luccsacc

[coral wren]

How do you get that much so fast

[sharp wing]

[zenith tundra]

when was pr2 patch?

[forest lake]

Coobs

[coral wren]

1h researches

[elder crane]

Thursday morning

[forest lake]

Last Thursday/Wednesday

[coral wren]

Wait that's faster?

[forest lake]

Depending on where you live I guess

[elder crane]

This was Monday morning
But I don't have much more right now

[sharp wing]

fastest ratio on those

[coral wren]

I keep going for gold 8 hrs

[sharp wing]

lel

[coral wren]

avoid purple researches with 5h, they ain't worth shit

[forest lake]

You get at least 3 BPs from 1h cube ones from my experience

[finite valve]

for DR bp you need to do strctly cubes research

gold alone ain't going to cut it

[coral wren]

Woops

[elder crane]

Just look at the PR1 sheet

[elder crane]

Those rates are about the same as PR2

[forest lake]

Ik someone who has 47 Gascan BPs already

Big luccsacc

[sharp wing]

well, not using cubes for projects

[coral wren]

tfw poor

[elder crane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r0himICsu0p_DcEPQYoMqv6V7bbtyZzhyX38SHpQZ3g/edit?usp=sharing

[coral wren]

Aight thanks

I'ma look this up

[elder crane]

There's all the data you need

[forest lake]

I have like 70 coobs but I still dump coobs

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

PR2 data collection still in progress

[sharp wing]

U so gonna get cucced in event

[elder crane]

I've over 650 so it is

[forest lake]

As usual

I fucked my stash on anniv and Mikasa

[sharp wing]

even w/ 300 coobs i'm scared

[coral wren]

Is surugay event gonna be a banner?

[elder crane]

Yep

[sharp wing]

ofc

[forest lake]

If I only used 100 coobs on both of the events I'd have like 1k at leas

[elder crane]

Too many ships for it not to be

[coral wren]

She's gonna be released with memekaze right

[elder crane]

Already, what, 4 revealed?

[coral wren]

I got 30 cubes for it

I'm confident

[forest lake]

Shimakaze? Hasn't been announced yet

[sharp wing]

lol

[forest lake]

Suruga, Kinu, Noshiro and an R iirc

[elder crane]

Wait, 5 now no?

Two DD, two cruiser, Suruga

[coral wren]

Noshiro?

[forest lake]

The oni gal

[coral wren]

Oh.

I don't like onis

[sharp wing]

I only seen 1 dd

[forest lake]

What're the 2 DDs

^

[coral wren]

But I'll take shimakaze

[forest lake]

Shima hasn't been announced yet

[coral wren]

That's disappointing

[forest lake]

Prolly not this event

[elder crane]

No, just 1 DD, so 4 ships

[coral wren]

So next event is crosswave?

[elder crane]

Kasumi is the DD

[sharp wing]

no

[forest lake]

Kasumi, Kinu, Suruga, Noshiro then

[elder crane]

Crosswave was Suruga EX

So, no

[forest lake]

So either Suruga or Noshiro as event shop if the event is like the rest

[sharp wing]

I think it will be smaller somehting

1 of ships is event reward

maybe SP

[zenith tundra]

noshiro is event shop suruga build

[elder crane]

Anyways, 4 revealed at this point means defs a major event with full set of ships to build for

[forest lake]

Kinu's prolly milestone? Idk

Oh shit Suruga build

Imma hope she's bad

[elder crane]

Fat chance

You'll just need to hope she isn't OP

[forest lake]

Yea

[sharp wing]

How about no

[forest lake]

Or hope I can get her with 70 coobs

[hot creek]

make shimakaze op

[elder crane]

100% that Suruga's at least good

She's been hyped too much

[coral wren]

do we have surugay stats

[forest lake]

what if she isn't

[zenith tundra]

they did make izumo as a pr so they can fuck up

[coral wren]

Izumo > fdg

[forest lake]

Skills/stats from Crosswave if you're interested
Can expect something similar

[coral wren]

Yikes

[forest lake]

Ignore skill 1, every ship has it in Crosswave

[coral wren]

She smells like a kms ship with those defense skills

[elder crane]

Literally copypasta Amagi stats, adjust eva/armor since BB vs BC, copypasta Amagi barrage, and she's already very solid

[forest lake]

Amagi but better
IJN cancer 3.1

[elder crane]

Given that she's an upgraded Amagi irl, we can expect equal/superior base stats to Amagi

[coral wren]

If surugay is going to be a defensive meme, I'ma ditch her

Or wait she's a BB?

[sharp wing]

Well, she is not exactly upgraded Amagi irl

[forest lake]

Stall tf outta your opponents

And yes she's a BB

[elder crane]

Inb4 she gets Sodak's skill

[coral wren]

Oh I see.

[zenith tundra]

with better timing i hope

[coral wren]

I've been suffering through this warkai meme for the past few days

[forest lake]

WASDuruga meta

[coral wren]

I could use some defensive backline

[elder crane]

Sodak's skill without something to support it is trash

[coral wren]

Yes USS still sucks a big long schlong. When will it end

[finite valve]

why would you want to play stall comp vs ws?

[elder crane]

Gives opponent free focus fire

[forest lake]

To mess with last minute pushers

Duh

[coral wren]

I just do mirror vs WS

[sharp wing]

well, USS only started to succ after Nagato event, wdym

[elder crane]

Hiryuu just shits all over WS in my experience

[coral wren]

Since my WS is maxed out too

[sharp wing]

half year before that it was on top

[elder crane]

Have her tank ws and you can literally walk away

[forest lake]

Only point of having a good def fleet is to stall opponent til reset

[finite valve]

@forest lake any player worth their salt ain't going to care if you use cancer 4.0 or 10.0

[coral wren]

yeah I've seen that happening a lot

[finite valve]

def team only matter to wall off newbie or sunday eos top 10

[coral wren]

WS can't outmeme hiryuu

[elder crane]

Well, def ws
Offense ws does it

[coral wren]

I was forced to ditch her for enty sometimes

or throwing my trash juneau as a final act of desperation

[elder crane]

She's just borderline enough that the def/off difference is the diff between Hiryuu stalling her for 60 s or for 35s

[finite valve]

i never have any problem with bunny pre or post ws

if make no different

[coral wren]

I hated HMS fleets since the beginning

tht trauma sticks with me even now

[elder crane]

Ah, the old on-release meta of QE/Hood/WS

[coral wren]

Hms always been easy to deal with tho

And yeah offense WS can easily trigger last resort which is very convenient for me

😌

Im talking about the old memeta

[elder crane]

Though EN basically skipped through that since accelerated release schedule

[coral wren]

I was a pvp noob

[finite valve]

if you have problem with old meta

[coral wren]

And now I'm still a pvp noob

[finite valve]

that just mean you haven't been here long enough lol

[coral wren]

Uhh, were they ever a threat? Old enty trashed them all day every day

[finite valve]

ppl even use meme comp in old meta

with great success mind you

[coral wren]

I started playing during the end of fallen wings event

[elder crane]

Hood/WS with QE actually often sniped enty at lv100

[coral wren]

Didn't even get any ship there

[finite valve]

that long and still have problem with old meta?

lol

[coral wren]

Lol what

No, the warkai shit is giving me trouble

I said “always”

I'll never forgive hms

Hms never gave me problems, I used foxes and entry

[elder crane]

Nah, HMS on-release was really good

Just no one had a good setup in EN since it went by too fast

[coral wren]

My shitfleet being nuked by hood

[finite valve]

the old qe hood and ws shit?

[coral wren]

One of my fondest memory

[finite valve]

lol that take me back

[elder crane]

CN also saw an HMS meta with PR1 before Nagato

[finite valve]

that meta i just use enty

[coral wren]

when nagato appeared, they just fade away

Or amagi

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/ESJNg/41abe60d4b.png

[finite valve]

when nagato become a thing i switch to wasd

[elder crane]

Yeah, we got Amagi early so that meta never happened

[coral wren]

wasd was great tbh

[finite valve]

after amagi becomes a thing i switch back to foxes

lol

[coral wren]

Enty jesus

She's been a pillar of my torpmeme squad

But then amagi happened and it all went to shit

[elder crane]

Hiryuu+Amagi+Hood/Enty was the sleeper comp during that time

[hot creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z21Ol9wABm0 does this give you ptsd, hiro? warning: loud

[elder crane]

Wrecked everything, but very few used it

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu wasn't popular

[coral wren]

I actually died a little when they shown a hiryuu retrofit

[elder crane]

Even beat WaSDA easily

[forest lake]

Wait why are there nuke codes

[elder crane]

Which was the other sleeper comp, though that saw use after lv110

[coral wren]

stop phoenix

I'm trying to forget those

[finite valve]

most old comp you can still use enty with success

[empty grove]

[finite valve]

only problem would be maybe foxes nuke

[coral wren]

The onlycv with 70% to proc double damage, lul

[elder crane]

Remember when eld was meta?

[finite valve]

i know this cus i been using enty since beginning till like maybe wasd

[empty grove]

That meta was fucking aids

Stop

[coral wren]

Lmfao

[elder crane]

I remember I tried out ark during literally the shittest time I could've, WaSDE meta

[finite valve]

enty duel

whoever big e first wins

LMFAO

[forest lake]