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but needs different ships
Ah
I see
and you dont want to put it on VGs cos they die faster
hence dispelling the buff from beaver
just try dork/amagi/ws like me
Where should I but beaver and the pearl then
he doesnt have amagi either

put pearl on your lead VG or the middle one depending on your setup
beaver goes to flagship if you dont have rudder yet
Do you mean that
Where can I get that one
well can only get from fallen wings event
yea you need to hope for rerun


Well that sucks
Oh and I have Yukikaze but I need to lvl her
But her equip is OK right
Bofors what's that
AA gun
Wait you want this one? 
Thought the other one was bis
but its kind of a waste since you only have few of those
Ah
BBs use it and CAs want that too
I feel like a bloody newby
DDs dont benefit from extra hit stat so they are fine with regular bofors
Makes sense
BB is Hood right
yea twin 100mm+rainbow magtorp+boiler+fire ex for ykkz
for hood jsut replace autoloader with beaver
or SG
Don't have fire ex but I have boiler
And don't have the magtorps
i mean you can get FE in box
Bis???
Should I let the torps for the meantime
just use toolbox
oxytorps are only really useful on ibuki and maybe jintsuu with torp memes
Not really
yea its better on yuki then
yea twin 100mm
aka literally unable to do gun damage
or 76mm
Better now
personally i dont use oxy on ykk cause she needs all the hp she can get
i use double boiler xD
now farm for fire ex and remove that ugly oxytorp 
2-3
fe is in eagle box too?
any techbox iirc
oh no it's any
yea
that's convenient
Have no tecbox left
Should I gife her that in the meanwhile until I got fire ex
im pretty sure it doesnt add much to her
i meant the evasion
Ok
ykk already has that 25% chance of reducing damage to 1
put toolbox or another boiler for now on ykkz
til you get fire ex
just know that we generally don't look to add more evasion to DDs
heavy diminishing returns on high evasion
And which ruder should I give hood
going past like 200 evasion is overkill and adds marginal evasion rate
RIP hms dds
all 230 evasion or w/e
buffed higher with qe
lel
the PR one
Ok
Secondary is OK too
yea
just better magtorp really
I'm honestly liking boiler/bulge more nowadays
that small periodic heal from toolbox don't have too much of an impact with how short each match last
yea
but boiler is more of a preference thing so 
just need more or less 2 boilers for a 2CL 1DD setup
???
oh wait you're using eldridge
yea just go boiler

25 spd on a DD 
atleast until you get pearl
??? What now you said I should change elldrigde vs Yuki
you want yuki+jun+bel
Don't know
i mean thats the standard setup
jun/(fill ship)/yuki is already a standard setup
all you have to know is the best VG setup rn is juneau+ykkz+(any decent bote)
aurora/sheffield/belfast are the common ones
Wanted to make an Sakura Empire pvp fleet but neet Nagato for that and I missed her
actually sheffield isnt that common
xD
im pretty sure only people from this channel use sheffield
;)
I remember someone here running that for a while 
yea havent met another sheff aside from blue
Daxam never used sheff?
True
I just had luck that I still got the retrofit material for warspite and sandy
And have still to get the monarch
From the pr ships
Is there still something missing
just pearl
As exchange for torp bulk
no replace boiler (assuming shes your lead VG)
if shes in the middle then replace bulge
replace cata with beacon or rudder/beaver
Ok
Mine uses rudder + jet fuel
Replace the steam catapult

??? Where do I get that
EN can't read
Core shop
Buyed one
So Enterprise is finished right
What does she need
Or should I take some other cv
I have all
check pinned tierlist first i guess
Where
you have warspite retro right?
Yeah
there
if you really want to be competitive your best bet is warspite/formi/cent (atleast from the tested ones)
but your current setup should still be decent as long as you have warspite
I mean I could get them but until I have them at lvl 120 is probably a new meta out
not really
it will atleast take 4 months for someone to max pr2 botes
or was it 6 months idr
And I don't have enough bullins for limit break
and the only thing that will change in 6 months is azuma
Wich color dues Juneau have rarity color
rudder or beaver
seems overkill but alright. thank you.
I see, i cant decide my fleet, its hard since I missed out Nagato event.
My frontline is okay, I cant decide who should I pair up with Amagi since I'm lacking units( mainly levels I guess ), I think
Any pointers?
ws over enterprise probably
Wont the level difference be too big?
oh, i mean eventually sorry
Ah alright, is level 110 enough to replace it?
Cool, thank you.
Just use warspite , free exp in pvp
not sure how some guy's vg can take 3 backline salvos and not get burned but ok sure
Hello, I have a scoring question
I had this, and attacked leftmost opponent
according to https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise , I should get at least 12 points as Captain
Exercises, sometimes called Operations, Mock Battles or PvP Battles, are the portion of the game where the player's fleet is pitted against a fleet constructed by another player, with the goal to accumulate Merit and progress in Rank. Note that the attacking fleet will get a...
still, got this
where is the mistake?
its based off score not necessarily rank.
since you're passed 1050 pt, base score is 10
and since you beat someone with a +35 pt difference you got +1
how many points are you guys at?
dat list confusing ppl cuz of rank score requirement for certain rank 
yep, wiki list look confusing in this regard 
1223 1/10 
so it's no way to get base 12 anymore, tsc 
last season I forgot to do my last 5 and didn't get AoTN
๐ซ

What would be the best kms stand alone mainfleet ship? Except fdg 
new seattle skin eh
meanwhile still no sanrui azuma and fdg skins
talk about punishing pvp

Stand alone they're ๐ฎ
@jovial mural none stay away from kms
Was this torp ok for PvP? Was there a golden tracking one?
there's a rainbow and there's a gold
Ah 
I heard the aviation fuel and homing beacon are for pvp. Are they good?
@ionic magnet well pvp competition are basically pointless in their eye
As their aim is to get more peeps with waifuable taste
1206 5/10 


Just wait til I get my neet life back. I'll sandbag my way to EoS top 10 again 
Hi everyone how are you guys doing
missed 5 rounds cause im busy drawing loods again
@ionic magnet wait I just realized when I change to warspite centaur and Formi what should they equip then
What should who equip
Warspite should be either HSFCR triple 381 or no HSFCR 410AP/mk6
FC, just the same stuff they usually mount, so that Cent launches first and Formi about 1.5-2 s after
this? 
pretty sure 380 is garbage enough to not be worth mounting over mk6
SG is okay, FCR you'll want to swap for a gold shell once you get that
twin381 
triple381 at least
only when you face weaksauce teams

Now, that's a setup that makes sense
aaaaa why twin381 on Warspite
you run it on Hood to spam her barrage
on warspite, it's not really doing anything 
Take the mk6 or something at least
better? 
Best would be,
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_381mm_(BL_15"_Mk_III_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_410mm_(10th_Year_Type_Prototype)
But you might not have those
ngl yes
better than twin381 

Oh, you do have that
yeah, that gun's really good on warspite for nuking things
Still need to unlock the second skill 
I also forgot,
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_381mm_(Model_1934)#Type_3
is a sub for the 410AP you have mounted there should you not have it, but you do so whatever
Don't have that one
best gun 
Ah it worked
Um is anyone here willing to help me with my PvP fleet?
If it's particular questions, sure
Oh yay um I was just wondering if I could get better improvements for it
Like different equipment or just ships
Do you mind if I share?
Um her skills help
Is it a little overboard?
aurora 
I-I guess I have a lot of waifus ><
Should I go Monarch or Hoodgun on Monarch Dev 30? I used Twin to get rid of Amagis fast but it's been kinda wonky with Namaspite fleets
u can put saint or neptune
2 pings at 1 am 
@ionic magnet 3 


@glacial shuttle wdym by wonky? twin 381 is good if you want to avoid rudder procs but yea triple 381 has more dmg overall especially when monarch doesn't proc her barrage
nu 
@empty owl replace black and purple shells on your BBs with SG radar or rudder/beaver
same with that autoloader on monarch
Ok
Nepguns?
she's pretty tanky too xD
or alternatively she needs to hit
it helps when you have 90 luck and most bbs dont break 50
not really especially when you put her as flag
or rather amagi has no luck xD
anyways still better than black shell
and hiryuu has 36
not a fan of white shell too tbh but that atleast makes more sense
You want me to use the 152 on Belfast?
Belgun is the 155?
yea triple 155
and if you have twin/triple 381 thats better on monarch
its HE
is the triple 410mm AP gun better on warspite kai than the triple 406?
british yea
@hoary pasture if you have other BBs than can use HE gun for burns, triple 410 should be better otherwise stick with triple 381 or 406
@empty owl i assume you lead with belfast?
Umu
give her bulge + toolbox/boiler
aurora gets pearl+boiler/bulge
fortune toolbox/boiler
other gears are fine i guess
just get more magtorps
White AP / Rudder
2nd SG or rudder/beaver
er the gold steering wheel
Washmachine
the one you have on fortune
I don't know who they are ^^'
both better
Nep+Jun+Ykkz for Warret+QE team, is probably what you want to move towards
Juneau and Yukikaze

jun + ws kai

I shouldn't use Neptune before dev30 right
she's useable at dev25
Is Belfast still competitive?
What do you mean refresher
Oh ok
I always thought her smoke counters the fox sisters
At least from my experience
So I should replace my whole front line ?
<
kinda late but Dev20 no, but maybe try Dev25?
so if i use warkai with formi-cent she should equip 406mk6, if warkai with another BB with HE shell use triple410mm?
i mean there's little point in using VH armor if the bote is already heavy
people keep saying that but I haven't seen any numbers, dw though I'm testing rn
I take 410AP either way for better sniping potential
you're better off using rudder
The bonus on heavy armor is literally inconsequential
even SG radar gives about +10% eHP
so, the thing it gives that really matters is the HP boost
but that's still much lower %-wise than rudder
For lvl 113 formi w/ beaver badge vs. lvl 120 warkai:
+4 VH armor:
- 45%
- 60%
- 45%
- 85%
- 50%
- 50%
- 90%
Average: 61%
+10 Gold rudder:
- 55%
- 45%
- 80%
- 40%
- 95%
- 80%
- 50%
Average: 63%
looks more to me like the difference between the two is what's inconsequential
what are those percentages
this is in health % remaining after being hit
What's your +/- on those
so that would include the rng from stray forntline torps/shots
so thats between beaver and rudder?
I'm pretty sure sample size is too small for even +/-10% accuracy
between rudder and VH armor
which is literally the entire difference we're expecting
beaver is the constant
aka even if there was a +20% eHP, your test would be hard-pressed to tell the difference
Yeah, roughly 9% standard deviation for that sample average
I love how whenever I prove anything people waaa about how the sample size is too small as if they're expecting me to run a test 250 times
you're proving nothing
the sample size is too small to prove the effect you want to show
that's the point
so how did you prove that rudder is suprior to VH?
by datamining game calculation formulas and using that
there's no better way for small effects like this
the sample size needed is just too prohibitive
I was seeing the VH drop damage per shot from ~3200 to 2900
that seems like a pretty big difference to me
there's just too much rng in this game
7 rounds wont cut it unless youre getting literally the same results
but seeing at your tests it can go from 40% to 90% which is just too random
emm wait why 381mm better than 406mk6 on warkai? 406 has the better damage right?
I don't believe you on 3.2k vs 2.9k from the exact same shell from the exact same ship
proof or it didn't happen
@upper sparrow mostly for syncing with formi and so she can help deal with enty being annoying at times
3200 *0.06 = 192... so 100 rng affecting my perception, and a 200 damage per shot decrease is within expectation
lol 100 RNG literally doesn't happen
ok thx
eating now, one sec
Anyways, I estimated that it literally takes about 50 fights to have a fairly good chance to determine a ~5% eHP difference, given the distribution of HP% you have there in those 14 samples @still minnow
which is about the eHP difference we expect to see
So... yeah, unless you're very dedicated, these sorts of small effects are almost impossible to determine by testing like that
that's why we resort to calcs based off of datamined formulae
my best guess is that the issue is related to lvl 113 formi vs. 120 warkai
iirc higher level ships bypass some evasion?
you dont want to run beaver+rudder anyways
Well
7 levels means +14% damage dealt, and ~3.5% less HP from PvP-specific HP multiplier, on top of stat differences
so, yeah....
also 0.7% hitrate, but in comparison to the effects I gave above, that's peanuts
you're looking at your ship being over 20% less survivable than she would be at lv120
that brings up another question I have lol
people talk about warkai just deleting an enemy backliner
but my underlevelled CV can tank it
so I'm not entirely sure what thy're talking about
thats easy they dont use rudder or eva gears plus maybe theyre tanking with medium armor
and that
i usually land only 1 shot of barrage
but since i have dork to follow up


i tried your setup but with monarch instead of amagi
then i remembered why i ditched 3 BB comps

yeah ig
why waste your 3rd bb on someone who only shoots across
_>
;)
i feel like sanrui and monarch were the biggest baits

not sure about that
i still like monarch if i wanted to burst someone but now that warkai is here.. 
Well, also offense/defense difference
if your ship survives at <20% HP, as a defense team, it would not have survived
prob click the chain icon or w/e
(havent used paint.net in forever ever since i switched to gimp)
what made u decide to switch
When resizing a rectangular selection by clicking and dragging one of the corners, is there some way to lock in the aspect ratio, so that I can make it larger and smaller without accidentally making it thinner because I didnt move the mouse in a perfectly straight diagonal? I...
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For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than search it for themselves.

lol
I see the #pvp energy is still strong despite the moderators' best attempts at killing the channel
by the power of the GOOGLE ALGORITHM!!!


anyways, what mods 
so much for the 8 mb upload size limit
it's letting me do 13 mbs
anyway apparently I don't fucking understand how to do auxes so I need help
yes I know the messers are triggering please don't get focused on them
my goal for formie is to tank all the warkai to the end of the world so double tanking aux seems like the best plan for that to me

rudder & beaver?
no the armor/beaver
I have an extra rudder that I could use
so it's rudder + beaver vs. VH + beaver
(unless there's a better tanking aux that I'm not aware of)

since when is there rainbow holo gear
oh you mean the lantern
also on my forntline
should I replace the torp bulges with boilers
and have 5 boilers
:D
cause eldridge kinda slow asf
1236 10/10 miss one attempt because enty with fking rudder proc, can i reach gensui 
if you're only down 1 match you can hit gensui no problem
rly depends on time of day u rushing
stupid game mechanics , u cant\ win donater 
Well, I've hit gensui with like, what, 7 or 8 matches missed
Early-season missed matches are pretty whatever anyways if you sandbag a bit, it's once you're into 2nd week that you really don't want to miss any
no sandbag life
lvl ships in pvp
thats what im dooin
tfw only lvling sandy
lvling ships takes so long when u never play :/
the most first world of first world problems clearly

do I lvl pvp ships or do I lvl ibuki ships or do I lvl throwaway ships so I can mlb them and clear up my d*ck?
hard questions
i lvl pvp ships first
fk pve
as for throwaway ships i use commission
commissions are a good source of xp that could be used on my pvp fleet or ibuki grind fleet too
so :/
i find the proportion too small for ships past lvl 100
need like 300 comms to even move 1 lvl if u dont count those dat giv >1000
just put them in dorm + long comms
1 month or so and they're maxed
I'm tlaking exclusively about the 1200 oil commish
levelled my subs that way
ic
and dorm xp too good point
those slots are highly contested
in dorm and 1200 oil comm
i lvl subs in pve only
send help
my problem is that my subs are high lvl but they have no fcking torpedo equips
how do you dorks even get your torpedoes
eh just do weekly sub raid
jk i put them in dorm sometimes but once they get past 100 they never enter dorm again
yea do those raids
tho i got mine from sos
i only have 3 gold torps but doesnt really matter when white torps can clear just the same



friendship ended with sara, now formidable is my best friend
Picture taken Moments before disaster

its alright. my nanoda is brave
Btw I'm still a scrub. What does losing in PvP do
You get half the merit it looks like. How is your rank affected?
you basically dont get any points
decreasing your chance of reaching admiral of the navy rank
It resets your opponents though right ?
it does
I'm never gonna compete for a good ranking anyway
Not enough meta ships plus I'm weak
but there's no penalty in resetting before you get wiped
i used to rely on the fox for pvp
The power of resets 
it seems impossible now but eh. I'm only doing pvp to get points and spend it on boxes
dont worry too much about it
I run out of resets 
Refresh and resets are different
resetting means clicking that pause button and quitting the battle

before you get defeated
Ah right
theres no penalty
Yea I do that If i think I can get a win still
oh you got some good ships there
its suicide to fight lvl 120s when you're under leveled
just pick on someone your own power level
No one like that around the rank I'm in I guess
I run out of refreshes looking for opponents I can handle lol
it happens a lot but there's virtually nothing you can do about it atm
Yea
pvp sucks
I have been trying to lvl some pvp ships
And hoping to get centaur
Issue is im missing so many event ships
That are meta

Don't have sword or mic
Mmhm
but yeah dont get your hopes up in pvp. those people with no life will obviously keep on hogging the top spots no matter what you do
im just a scrub rusher
Yea I don't even care about that
Just want to get wins for merit
you still get merit even if you get killed to death
Right
Highest I got was to like 200 lol but yea no
Got lucky
im at 200 too so dont worry
i usually rush to get top 1 for 5 mins
but its a meme
someone with a higher point will eventually take over
sandbaggers
Yea
its also a good strat to sandbag if you have a weak team
I might go back to just fox spam
do u have akaga?
Kaga/Akagi ya
yeah just level them up
Would that work with hiryuu as a third
nope
3 cvs is shit
just cram a bb in there and you'll be alright
until we get amagi event, just keep raising ur akaga
thts good
The best team you can assemble with that collection is HMS with KGV/Monarch/Hood and Yukikaze/Belfast/Juneau.
I really need to get monarch up higher
She's so weak at dev 14
That's my team rn yea @coral wren
Monarch is really rippy though
As she's still not finished
You're not going to win much with underleveled ships anyway.
Fair enough
Have been working on the vanguard this week
Got Yuki/Bel/Jun to 90~ from below 30
Right now I'm running Nakaga with Yuki, Aurora, and Sendai but I'm working on leveling and equipping a bunch of HMS ships.
I'm just hoping to get centaur from special build. Game please
Belfast and KVG are done. QE and Hood are almost there. Monarch is built but nowhere near ready. Warkai, Centaur, and Formidable are all getting close to the point where they might be ready soon.
Juneau is almost done too.
What do you consider done btw
forget levelling foxes if you dont have nagato/amagi
Right now my Nakaga fleet is viable.
Remember offhand how long ago those events were? @ionic magnet
hiryuu could work with foxes but i wont really recommend that as a long term comp
It's completely done with the exception of the 818 and avgas that I need to upgrade before installing.
It's just several months of meta behind.
which events? @proper thistle
For nagato and amagi
It works, but its heyday is long past.
well amagi should be coming soon (if not the next major event)
Fingers crossed then I guess
You're better off not even worrying about IJN if you don't have one of the BBs.
she came out last jan
HMS is the new hot shit.
The chance I'll be playing still in 6 months is real low tbh
I play for like a month or two then take a break
So that's saddening
Oh well, is what it is
Still real salty I missed warkai by literally a day
Centaur, Formi and what was it called
Yeah
default is warspite flag
Ok
but you want to aim hiryuu so sometimes you need to switch formi to flag
Still got no Juneau
if enemy hiryuu is at bottom

farm sendai
@
50 juneau

It's mor like start with
just do 1:1
save oils 
elegant kizuna still tier0?
idk just pick 1 

CA kizuna is just a pure tank
15% dr vs HE, 15% for 30 seconds
sadly nagato barrage isnt he >_>
Fuck thought I got Juneau but it was just juno

lol
With my luck no thanks will only get elites and sr
On my fifth rudder 
not gonna bother to craft/enhance it though since im actually starting to run out of aux plates from inactivity 
Imagine Juneau retro 


do 5 more
Don't have mutch qubes

Need the other for spring event
u fuck
Heard some rumors that Nagato comes back this spring event
But reason enough for me to safe qubes
check shops every refresh

still not enough
Fuck got her for the 30 time
I mean I guess I could farm 2 reppuus to put on lusty instead of messers 

but that's a fuckton of farming
I legit cannot believe how bad the droprate is on that shit
reppuu mines are a cursed place
OK safe the Pic now
So that I don't forget it
When they at max lvl are, I'm gonna need your help with the equip again
yea it depends on enemy but i dont think hes interested in little things like that
xD

yea it should still work
as long as everyone has 1 eva gear they cant get sniped by warkai 
@HooLooVoo wich one should I give those centaur or formi
woa you have that plane 
Yeah
do you have reppuu
Don't think so
oof
What is that
reppuu is a high flight speed fighter with 2x500 bombs
Do you have a Pic of the item
this is what i use for them
some gears are replaceable ofc
this is just one variant that works
rip
But got that one
Have those
Use the F4U
my rank degrades so fast ๐ฉ I was at 800 a couple hours ago, now Iโm at 1700
On wich one
Best fighter, lowest reload with x2 500lb bombs (with higher damage too)
Centaur or formi
yea i think so
are messerschmidt and zero worth using if you donโt have reppuus
Messerschmitt have no bombs
yea i think its fine @coral wren
then use seafang on formi
Like that
swap alba and cuda slots
Ok
you have beaver?
work on it 
badge is very worth it
yea
yes, jet fuel is pretty much a better oil tank
rudder is better, more survivability beats raw damage boost
i prefer rudders especially if you dont want to switch formations
Ok
so everyone can decently tank
do you have a 3rd rudder tho
Nope sadly
well warkai needs it more
I don't even have that many rudders tbh. PR gear can be a pain
you can leave cent with cata ig til you get beaver
Ok
or if you have rwg/team emblem thats nice too
rwg, you mean the SG radars for CVs
For what do I even need this
you don't
Kiro???
@vague token

does the crit rate apply to planes as well

anyways just get the beaver imo
save your aux plates 
you got triple 381?
Triple 381??? Do you have a pic
isnt triple 381 from PR only
anyways just use 381 
since her main opponent gets instant killed
Is that correct now
So where can I get Juneau again wich chapter








