and just rely on defense penalty to make sure your ws wins
#pvp
vague token
still minnow
sounds like aids
still minnow
yeah that sounds like aids
sounds like "experimenting is even harder now cause you have to account for wskai deleting your backline one at a time"
does eva actually help
or is ws able to get enough hit to destroy everything anyway
vague token
remember that only the first barrage will be doing huge damage
it has +130% on the first barrage of the match
after that it drops down significantly
so evading even 1 projectile means you're safer
of course, dont forget to never put a medium armor target that isnt hiryuu to be targeted by her
since they eat more
still minnow
well I want to create a meme defense fleet that doesn't die
so I don't have the luxury of doing that
still minnow
I could technically avoid using medium armor ships?
still minnow
hmm
ionic magnet
highest hit rate ws can have is about 70% if enemy has rudder and amagi
well I want to create a meme defense fleet that doesn't die
its called hiryuu+amagi
still minnow
I don't have amagi so that's not going to be happening
vague token
ionic magnet
still minnow
AA stat reduces plane crash damage aye?
does it do enough reduction that using battleships with high AA stat is going to make a noticible difference?
ionic magnet
yes wasda easily tanks foxes for example
still minnow
what's wasda
ionic magnet
wash sodak amagi
vague token
washington/south dakota
ionic magnet
well amagi is more of a filler
vague token
i think they push 400 aa?
ionic magnet
yea
ionic magnet
compared to ijn's poo AA, its really noticeable
still minnow
so is 400 the level of AA that I'd be aiming for
vague token
(and kms)
warspite gets +70 aa from her retro
so she gets a significant durability boost from that
ionic magnet
well you can aim for 400 AA but that won't help vs warspite and namagis
tho they are nonexistent until last few days of the season
still minnow
yeah that sounds super balanced
finite valve
tfw when the only foxes user switch to team liquid just to see another foxes user take my place
vague token
just use warspite with your own foxes
finite valve
dk if i should be proud or not
vague token
for MAX SPEED
finite valve
vague token
still minnow
how tanky is cygnet compared to sirius?
cerulean estuary
if pvp doesnt have atk buffs and reset
foxes should be on T0 / T0.5 list
vague token
wait, i just thought about something, does warspite's yellow skill boost her aux gun hit rate vs ykk?
it doesnt say main gun only on wiki
vague token
ionic magnet
time for ⛏️
vague token
our minecrafter isnt here right now =(
ionic magnet
cerulean estuary
WS KAI skill does not guaranteed 100% hit , so u need some hit/accuracy stats too
finite valve
most of the time VG is not going to be a concern vs 2 BB set up
provided that most of their back line are down or at death door
vague token
oh i just mean for nepgun pressure
if people put ykk mid she might take more shots than normal
xD
cerulean estuary
its a good match up "if" it has same equipments and affinity
and most importantly "no attack buffs"
then let RNG decide
vague token
think ill just swap to sheffield/juneau
the ultimate "wait for warspite to murder everyone" vanguard
while formidable and amagi buffer defense even more
xD
empty grove
dusk stirrup
empty grove
midnight heron
finally got 6 acoustic sub torps 
still minnow
as if you weren't acoustic enough before
vague token
doubt it
based on game feedback it doesnt seem like they're really going to do anything
feels more like a "you should have known" kinda situation
empty grove
split socket
did the items actually have those stats though? twitter post seems to imply it was just a visual bug
vague token
i mean, that would be any reasonable person's argument
but im not gonna fight mods/admins on that
i just mentioned that if there is a mistake
they should mention it immediately
even if the fix doesnt come out
at least people will be informed of the mistake
it was definitely going to be a sweep under the rug situation but because people pay attention to gear (especially pvp) they tweeted it out late xD
vague token
yes actually
look on the game news tweets
well the fixes
not the inform on launch part
vague token
i mean, bugs are ok not to mention on launch
because they're programming errors
gear stats are not programming errors
aka as soon as it comes up, it should be easy to crowd control
with literally any statement
xD
empty grove
I gave up on them informing for stuff when EXP banking came out
Left it in after a maintenance, like 2 weeks or something
Then informed it was being removed & they just removed the ability to see it, EXP still accumulated
I would have quit if it was wiped
noble gyro
Which main gun should i equip on warspite in pvp proto triple 410mm or the triple 406mm?
ionic magnet
triple 410 for best backline dmg but poo light armor mods
triple 381 for a more balanced dmg between backline and VGs
both of those guns hits rudder timing
if you dont want to deal with rudders then triple 406
pick your poison
vague token
i think only the first shot will will hit rudder on triple 410
mine shows like 20.22 or w/e
so travel time should make you hit on 2nd?
ionic magnet
yea same with 381 only 1st shot hits rudder
vague token
ionic magnet
and only the first shot is affected by ws mark i think?
ionic magnet
yea atleast from what i see its mostly
1st shot > goes to marked target
2nd/3rd shot > random
vague token
yeah
vale juniper
ionic magnet
@vale juniper just one thing, switch beaver to cent so you still get the bonus speed after jun dies
vale juniper
@ionic magnet Ok.. I'll try it
shy hazel
o
i just saw compensation mail bout gears
i need plates more
what i do with these scamboxes
did they give them after maint or what
i alrdy complained
this is qualified fraud
when u think theres a good new pvp aux
turns out its mislabel
midnight heron
tfw u get gold homing torps but its quint 
forest lake
👉 
split socket
about time :x
finite valve
@shy hazel reason why mine are in the hundred
also how many stagg and rudder did you guys manage to get?
5 rudder and 4 with a 5 one coming for stagg
need 1 more then just going to focus on PR 2 i guess
split socket
how does PR2 research work? is it split into its own thing or do you have to choose PR1 / PR2?
split socket
got enough staag for full team but not quite on rudder yet
finite valve
6?
split socket
yea
split socket
im only at 3 for rudder 
finite valve
only izumo at 28
nep and mona at 29 with about 15 in each already
so might make it for PR 2?
maybe
buoyant parrot
wtf it appears we're now getting PR2
finite valve
@buoyant parrot hope you got those rudder and stagg ready
forest lake
Time to deal with more cancer
split socket
theres still fate simulation though if u rly want to max out pr1
buoyant parrot
well those are ready
buoyant parrot
I have 9 of it
forest lake
Slow down 
finite valve
Press [X] to doubt
split socket
now if they can release w13 together with pr2 then it'll be perfect
forest lake
buoyant parrot
let me check how many staag I have
forest lake
Great joke 
finite valve
at 5 of each for me
so 1 more and i am done with PR 1
only ship i need dev is nep
at 29 15 bp in atm
buoyant parrot
well I heard of it at first but didn't believe it
split socket
I guessed it due to how they worded it about dec being a month of grind
but still, it's nice to have it confirmed finally
split socket
not their fault if u took break though :x
buoyant parrot
the thing is I don't have OILS by the time PR2 comes out
shy hazel
7~2 party for 36 days
buoyant parrot
coz of the current event
finite valve
and ppl keep saying / complaining that AL will never catch up to JP or that AL is having a content draught due to rerun and useless event
shy hazel
here we go
finite valve
LMFAO
finite valve
where's your god now
buoyant parrot
I never complaint about the content draught
buoyant parrot
as a matter of fact I LOVE it. I'm able to save cubes
split socket
to be fair, some players are really taking their time, can't wait forever if we need to catch up
finite valve
well the general population are saying that
i am not complaining shit
#al-general are the stupid one
split socket
are u not lagging with nox?
split socket
nox performance went downhill a while ago after an update, some players on my guild had to switch emu due to that
finite valve
old news
but then you get used to it
a bit of lag is not going to hurt anyone
not to mention other emu are shit either way
split socket
bluestacks working fine tho
split socket
nice
finite valve
BS is ok but leave much to be desire
like the fact that it is fucking hard to manage file between BS and the PC
not to mention you can't even move the fucking apps in the main screen
split socket
I don't really do that so
finite valve
nty
buoyant parrot
I'm obviously going to start with the Red one
finite valve
either F or A are good choice
split socket
going for A cuz waifu
split socket
imagine buying cubes for pr2 
finite valve
like i said doesn't matter which ship you go for since the 2 most meta are 6 months + if casualing anyway
frail orbit
Would just do A probably in the start, alongside murican G for murican G guns
But seeing FDG vs FDG kinda makes me wtf
finite valve
i am going to try and fish 1 more stagg and rudder before moving to PR 2
going to try and focus on my wife first tho
she is more important
finite valve
also friendly reminder that cancer 3.0 DO NOT NEED any AA gun aside from stagg
so get 6 stagg and put them on everyone in pvp and be done with it
granite flame
Frontline included ?
finite valve
yep
frail orbit
@finite valve by that, u meant this one eh?
finite valve
you can sub nagato with WS
but yes that is cancer 3.0
no CV allow
just stack stagg for acc buff
frail orbit
Not enough STAAG kek
granite flame
laughs in 1 STAAG
frail orbit
Meanwhile am still on Roomba for Nanoda keks
granite flame
GET HER OUT
ionic magnet
finite valve
@granite flame you do know mama is a worse hiryuu right?
frail orbit
Mama has oppai
Hiryuu has hinyuu
granite flame
Mama? forgive me for lack of abbreviation knowledge
granite flame
Fair
finite valve
reason for why azuma = my wife is when you translate her kanji name into english "my wife" is what came up
granite flame
I wanna try full Deutschland fleet with mama 1v6 carry against full Sakura cancer fleet
finite valve
split socket
can confirm, correct translation 
frail orbit
Juneau basically kidnapped kek
split socket
can't help but feel bad for graf, even her def spot is stolen by amagi in a kms setup 
frail orbit
Also, Mamagi basically get blackmailed for the return of Akagi to Japanese land xD
frail orbit
Just use carrier when there are Namaryu keks
More fun than a barrage of pew pew of big guns for me
granite flame
phew thank god those aux plates did not go to waste
frail orbit
Left as always
ionic magnet
speed 
buoyant parrot
gold catapult or Fuel?
frail orbit
Kek
Boring af lah
finite valve
split socket
it'll still take a long time before they are usable anyway :<
finite valve
k
frail orbit
CVs are more fun than BBs I'd say
finite valve
so cancer 3.0 is
fdg amagi ws/nagato
azuma jesus and nanoda
split socket
cvs are satisfying to watch
ionic magnet
3 BB with poo AAs 
finite valve
is cancer 3.0
ionic magnet
wdym staag is already here
finite valve
what ya think in how strong it is?
ionic magnet
its not new
frail orbit
Foken boring to watch too much pew pew pew of guns kek
Besides.
Am kinda obsessed with more utilization of ZA WARUDO
frail orbit
Putting WS in a def fleet is basically total kek tho.
Unless u put FDG alongside her on the fleet then fair enuff but well
finite valve
irrelevant since the main point is ws going to shred any med armor char be it on def or atk
frail orbit
Which is why just use em when the time still allowed em to be alive.
After all, it's not fun if u are too rigid on the meta shift.
finite valve
i think you mean need to waste time on reset too much due to meta being a bitch to crack
granite flame
finite valve
granite flame
Meant to point to the meta message
frail orbit
@finite valve kek with everyone still basically keks with Nakaga def fleet smhw
It's coming, but not everyone could afford em
granite flame
Something’s so enjoyable about having a bit of non meta stuff and using it to win against people who are fully meta enslaved
Enty Sara Essex is fun
frail orbit
Yeah. I could SEE things bombed away.
granite flame
My full CV backlines tend to get 2 shot though
frail orbit
@finite valve and by that. I meant.
As long as not everyone being WaKai user kek.
Or any WaKai FDG Amagi user
finite valve
frail orbit
Seriously. Going to the meta for 3 games is kinda welp for me. It's too much of a repetitive shit tbh.
Considering am not playing only AL tho. Just my dogma anyways.
split socket
except no one are using them anymore :x
granite flame
I still use (switch between) Cleve and monty rn, works fine for me
split socket
pvp?
granite flame
@split socket ye
Swap sandy for June sometimes and occasionally Cleveland for Monty
cancer 3.0 gonna make them kinda useless though
finite valve
still around 6 month away for the casual scene to catch up due to how rare mama and my wife bps are tho
so still got time to have fun before the cancer kick in
maybe 20 25 top?
i don't play JP so don't ask me
granite flame
Supposedly triple BB backline is now the new cancer
FDG warspite Amagi Nagato other BB’s + STAAG make carriers die the death
jovial mural
coral wren
is Amagato / Hiryuu still "meta" rn in PvP?
granite flame
death to Hiryuu Death to Hiryuu death to Hiryuu
finite valve
friendly reminder that the average time for cancer 3.0 to caught up for the casual scene are 6 month at the lowest depend on how active / lucky you are on getting PR 2 bp
coral wren
Ye, apparently fdg dev 30 blows the fuck out hiryuu
jovial mural
Are there particular methods to get BP faster? I'm super stuck at dev 20 i cant even imagine getting the next pr at dev 30 within 6 months
coral wren
Spend cubes for 1h research
granite flame
Grind every event to the fullest, get every singular BP you can, get the quicker researches with cubes or pray for RNG research for specific ship ones
granite flame
I forget, is gold background cube research 1 hour 30 minutes of time to complete ?
coral wren
Small one? 30m
granite flame
Why choose small over big
Or are you just nit picking small ones to have a chance of character research missions
coral wren
Small ones are much more efficient
granite flame
So always go with blue background (small) cube missions?
And if you ever get any mission with FDG on it, choose it?
(If you’re going for FDG)
coral wren
Ye, there was a doc somewhere on what missions give you most bps
But in short you take blue missions 1h or 1,5h and fish for fdg missions
finite valve
gold just mean it has a higher chance to give more bp
key word being chance
i have a few times where gold 8k give 2 bp
finite valve
but in hindsight you would prefer gold over blue anyway
coral wren
Once the Scuttlegun comes out, does Belfast / Leander / Jintsuu sound solid
or is it "no YKKZ, shit"
what about Sandykai / Leander / Jintsuu
blazing scroll
Anybody saying "no ykk" doesn't know what they're saying
I haven't used ykk in a long time
And still whoop ass
split socket
pretty much same deal with juneau, attack bonus ftw
blazing scroll
But I must say that Juneau is more impactful
split socket
maybe, but u can still do fine without her
hot creek
Except when you get cheesed by torp memes and everything goes to shit
sour oasis
Geez, I was not prepared for Warspite meta. I am 1 for 4 vs fleets with her.
I need more washing machines?
hot creek
Perhaps. Or just use WS yourself. What comp do you currently use?
jovial mural
Can u stack leander and belfast smokes?
south ore
don't the skills explicitly say they don't stack
jovial mural
they are not the same skill
jovial mural
y but one is called "smokescreen : lightcruiser" and the other "smokescren", + they do not proc at the same time
sour oasis
In that article Belfast's smokescreen is specifically called out
Does not stack with other smokescreens; even if it is overwritten by better smokescreen, the airstrike damage reduction portion will still be in effect for the skill duration.
Warspi hard counter is, what, more torpedoes?
stoic skiff
Eva effect will not stack but Airstrike ones override a normal smokescreen?
elder crane
Yeah, warspite soft counter is torpedos, since usually her teams have lower vanguard pressure.
This leaves a torp vanguard to take free potshots at main fleet without being in too much danger of sinking
Torps work better on defense, but defense team suffers from auxiliary gun shelling, so it's not super obvious whether the counter works better on off or defense (relative to not countering)
sour oasis
@stoic skiff Better Eva overrides Belfast's, but you still get the plane debuff
Sigh. Time to redo my pvp
elder crane
Or ofc you wall her with Hiryuu and laugh as you get free time to shit all over their fleet while they fail to focus down Hiryuu
stoic skiff
Ah I understand now
sour oasis
How does WS ability target? Seems to always save my Hiryu for last
ionic magnet
its more like torp VG on defense are the better def comp
they do not counter warspite but they simply have the higher chances of winning on def in general
sour oasis
All 3 of my back line are "farthest"
elder crane
Idk, torp-VG vs hiryuu teams just get demolished
Opposite corner if she's in corner, in flag, she targets top corner
ionic magnet
but non torp VGs get demolished harder no?
elder crane
No
Stall stands more of a chance overall
elder crane
Yeah, you just hope as defense you out-barrage them hard enough
And outlast final counter in the end
Well, nonIJN basically never wins defense either way vs a well set up Namaryuu
coral wren
@hot creek what's your vg?
elder crane
For obvious reasons it's hard for me to tell if torps or stall does better vs worse setups (wrong equip or still leveling ships, etc.)
ionic magnet
thing with stall comps is they just dont have enough dmg to soften VGs on def
while torp VGs can get you when you get unlucky and it happens more often than you want
elder crane
Torps just fold hard themselves though
ionic magnet
not the good torp VGs
elder crane
You basically have to hope offense doesn't barrage at all
No, just in general
Even the good setups on defense will just fold to 2/3 Nagato barrage/BB hits/ nondodged Hiryuu strike
ionic magnet
i mean when stall VGs have zero chance to win and torp VGs can win like 10% of the time, then its safe to say its better
elder crane
For the mirror, it's all decided by barrage and some BB hit/Hiryuu on vanguard RNG
Mostly barrage RNG, or so it feels like
Torps just sets you behind for defense in my experience
ionic magnet
hmm yea i guess its not for all comps then
ionic magnet
curious how warkai + FC will fare vs namaFdg
jovial mural
Is that fine to stack leander and belfast in the same vanguard? I mean, not to be strictly competitive but at least to do "well".
ionic magnet
yea sure it covers opening torps and foxes+namaryuu first barrage well
meager dawn
Fuck, they fixed the values on the event items 
still minnow
I don't want gold tech boxes I want my busted auxes
that being said
my +8 team emblem is giving +13 EVA and +23 HIT
and I'm pretty sure that's the same as it previous was?
meager dawn
No
ionic magnet
it had 35 eva iirc at maxed
meager dawn
Do you use the beacon on anyone?
ionic magnet
its nice for syncing purposes but in general i'd rather have eva gear + avgas
hot creek
@coral wren usually use sirius or sheffield or neptune or whoever I just feel like . jun/yuki
ionic magnet
team emblem wouldve been perfect but i never get to test it
coral wren
no aurora huh
ionic magnet
doesnt emblem have better stats before fix?
elder crane
Yeah, now it's just same
ionic magnet
sora 
elder crane
And tbh I'd take beacon over avgas in general, only exceptions when vs particularly high-AA (sandy), when vs no CVs, or when timing is an issue
elder crane
110 bdmg bomb though for burn
elder crane
That's pretty 🚮
vague token
wut
elder crane
If she hits
elder crane
What's the bomb count again?
elder crane
I assume standard
vague token
yes, the standard of literally only sara
the only other cv with a burn
xD
oh and hermes kai
elder crane
Well, Sara's is same as other burns, no?
elder crane
Oh lol
vague token
not sure why
albacore is .4
kirishima is 1.5
xD
all skill burns have separate timers too
so
what is consistency for 500
for all i know the coef could be .1
in which case yeah it's garbo
xD
i was thinking of running atago/belfast/juneau for front
MORE FIRE
and either amagi or kirishima for last main
xD
since kirishima barrage is its own fire
lean geode
how does my pvp team look? Pearl tears and beaver badge on belfast, team emblem and gamer mark on Juneau, toolkit and oxytorp on ykkz, Gold steam cata and aviation oil on formi, double gold steam cata on enty, white and black shell on warspoot
vague token
i wouldnt put beaver on belfast since she's lead and gonna die first
elder crane
Black shell in PvP is somewhat questionable
SG is about 5% less eDpS for 10% more eHP
elder crane
And fuel>cata, but it's understandable if you don't want to +10 a drop tank right now
Oxytorp on ykkz for you team is a bit ehh
You'll want extinguisher on her for sure, then either box or engine for 2nd aux
Whichever is the +15 eva +25 hit aux doesn't belong on vanguard
vague token
if only the damage reduction one wasnt on an ASW gear >_>
elder crane
Bel probably wants a torpbulge
lean geode
Toro bulge + pearl tears?
vague token
yeah
lean geode
how about Juneau, gamer mark + torp bulge?
I figured the extra 3% damage might be useful but I’m thinking probably not based on the responses so far
ionic magnet
what does gamer mark give again?
vague token
mark is 550 hp and convert to holo
vague token
yeah
upper sparrow
for cv aux in pvp, use gold cata-beacon, aviation tank - beacon, or 100-150 oil and beacon?
vague token
100/150 fuel + bacon is probably better
no reason to use cata nowadays in pvp
it is only a marginal increase in avi but no bonus skills
elder crane
Exception for Akaga, probably
elder crane
Alternatively, for normal CVs, drop fuel or bacon for the +hit+eva aux/rudder/badge/armor plate for a trade-off of survivability and damage
Which you might drop for what depends on the overall strategy of the comp you run
But bacon/fuel is a fine default
vague token
🥓 also of course isnt super necessary if you dont need timing adjustments
especially since we only have 1
you could go rudder/fuel
upper sparrow
ok thx sir
ionic magnet
bacon for rudder is roughly +11% dmg for +40% eHP tradeoff
so yea i wouldn't do it if i dont need any timing adjustment
especially when that extra avi from bacon gets negated when she dies before 2nd airstrike
violet sapphire
You can only farm bp for 1 batch of PR ships at a time right
hot creek
@violet sapphire you can collect/research BP of any PR ship anytime but you can only work on unlocking a PR ship one at a time.
vague token
oh darkova has full hms
finally some good food
xD
too bad amagi with armor/rudder easily tanks defense ws
xD
yeah it was a slaughter
honestly having armor/rudder amagi tank 3 bbs of shelling is a huge bait
when i think about it
aetherix has nagato/ws/hiryuu
oh boi
nothing like trading warspites
lel
shell heron
had to reset 4 times against namaryuu + torp meme
because torp meme kept hitting WS in the back
vague token
ever since i swapped to gunner/aurora/juneau i havent had torp problems
because they just melt to warspite having 600+ fp
as well as amagi and the two vg guns
i went back to sandy
more reliable pew pew damage
she took mvp one match cause warspites traded xD
abstract cypress
i thought ankimo would be boiler powercreep 
abstract cypress
its nerfed from 500 to 250hp, same as boiler
vague token
i mean like assuming you need 3, it's not a huge creep
abstract cypress
its huge
esp on ykkz
at least its gold so i can use it to flex together with chip
vague token
i mean, it's like a 9% increase in hp for yukikaze
from boiler
~2700 to 2950-3000
it's definitely good
but it isnt like "the hugest power creep ever"
especially since you only get one
forest lake
hot creek
ywis was a truly a pve'er
lament lichen
pver mindset
forest lake
Well tbf PVP is pretty irrelevant
ionic magnet
wont change the fact that these ppl are just plain ignorant
and they want to justify it by saying pvp omegalul
forest lake
shy hazel
who even is wis
i dont even need to strategize about pve at this point
not like i need in pvp too after maximizing stuff
vague token
and by strategize you mean collude with others here ;)
empty grove
hot creek
The power of friendship
what if someone actually did that? Friend all their opponents and request them to push in the ingame chat.
Wonder how successful that would be.
vague token
xD
or maybe famine records every person he fights into a personal database
based on what times which people push at which reset
coral wren
shy hazel
no
top 1 is just about
how many resets can u be awake
its easier to get bites every reset aftall
what i nwed to think about now
is how to farm fdg
the cheapest way
all kms kms ia flb with no copies
gotta test how that ho will fare in our pvp
tho getting tht thing to dev25 is pog
stoic skiff
I am unsure on what aux to put on Amagi as FS, Now she has HSFCR and Badge
jovial mural
People: KMS ships are bad in pvp.
Nobody:
FDG: 
blazing scroll
Fdg is the exception that confirms the rule
coral wren
fdg is fdg
grim ember
Should i change my gun? I have a feeling i should but idk which one
jovial mural
Maybe the pinned tierlist could help but only if warkai build the same items as warspite before kai
forest lake
Gun to 406mk6 or Triple 410mm
Twin 381mm are strictly for on gun fire barrages unless you know what you're doing
AA gun to STAAG for more Hit if you want
Also black shell to white preferably
grim ember
White shells add dmg to.divine marksman?
jovial mural
Like are there any difference between warspite and warkai build?
mild spruce
Don’t use Warsprite if she isn’t retroed
jovial mural
I mean my warspite is retrofited but I kept the exact same build i had on old warspite
forest lake
@jovial mural No. She keeps the same build
bronze hedge
Guys how the meta after warspite came? Nothing change?
midnight heron
nothing change?
granite flame
She’s one of the big 3 for cancer meta 3.0
red nexus
Hiryuu has served her purpouse, you replace her with warkai
sage thistle
modest kernel
What ships good for frontline these days?
modest kernel
I have been using the same frontline for like a year
Somebody even told me that DD = bad
blazing scroll
DDs are too squishy
If you really want to be "competitive" in pvp, the only dd you use is yukikaze
Otherwise you'd use CLs and CAs
glacial shuttle
Namaryuu are still facerolling all over me, any tips to improve my odds?
This is my fleet = https://imgur.com/a/9Duy8vl
I have no Amagi
midnight heron
cuz u're going semi torp meme for no gud reason
glacial shuttle
Monarch 113 (dev30), QE 117, Warkai 106, YKKZ 120, Belfast 119, Juneau 117
then Lunchbox instead?
midnight heron
boiler or fe as usual
midnight heron
i wud prefer giving each backline 1 sg
seeing warspite miss barrage is lul
even more so when u're underlvled
glacial shuttle
so do I get rid of the black or white APs?
midnight heron
white at least givs hit stats
coral wren
Untill he maxes them all any dumb shit is possible, especially if he goes against maxed cancer
midnight heron
looks ok not sure about rudder on frontline tho
glacial shuttle
yeah, purple acc parts are pain. I should start to max them
glacial shuttle
Monarch is having reload issues, but after like 8 resets I got through
ionic magnet
triple 381 hits on rudder timing so your barrage end up doing zero dmg 30% of the time (if enemy has rudder)
thats why others prefer twin 381 yea
also white shell is generally bad for botes with no crit rate boosts
if you're having survivability issues, just replace them with rudder or another sg
mona would love another sg cos 0 luck
ionic magnet
yea that too but i assume he got none cos he didnt use it anywhere
and uh focusing hiryuu is not dumb at all
im getting exact same winrates tbh
if anything, matches are faster cos hiryuu procs earlier
coral wren
Killing amagi first will end all her buffs and debuffs
So it should be much better to kill her first
ionic magnet
it should but when you have near 100% winrate on both cases, the faster one wins
also proccing hiryuu while your VG is still alive is really nice (basically means she deals 0 dmg lol)
well at least for warkai + FC
hot creek
Im also under the impression that focusing Hiryuu is the much better choice. Amagi is a fucking bait. Just let crash damage take care of her. Often times you focus her and all the effort is wasted cause shes tanky and evade your shots and even with double focus she can still survive. Plus some people are trolling with rudder armor.
Also WS on defense is definitely not a "joke" as some people are saying. Namagi WS can easily force a reset just by proccing and hitting their barrages for an early backline kill.
ionic magnet
^exactly that
hate it when amagi tanks til 2nd airstrike then you still have to deal with hiryuu
not that it happens often but it still happens so
coral wren
Oh, so you are using cv hms. Thought you use 3 bbs
hot creek
I test all the HMS comps.
vague token
honestly i dont care which i focus down
xD
if they arent running armor, they gonna die fast either way
for me running armor/rudder amagi top is the best bait anyways, since they either put warspite mid (get focused by planes), or warspite bottom (whoever is top dies much faster)
and if they want to trade warspites, im ok with that xD
blazing scroll
Or you just use freedom
You might lose a cv but at that point you already have won
I like the hms fleets, because I don't have to wait for hiryuu to die
coral wren
I keep losing to Hiryuu outlasting me
elder crane
Warspite on defense gets demolished by anything running Hiryuu if you position Hiryuu at warspite focus
I'm using FC right now, and LFC gets walled super hard by a good WS comp (~10% at best, I think) but HFC is almost 100% by just tanking WS with Hiryuu (minus that one annoying guy who ran sandyret too, reeeeeee, still wasn't too bad though with Hiryuu)
jovial mural
yeah u have to
forest lake
Should I consider giving a STAAG to Yeptune?
vague token
not super necessary unless you're trying to do big gun damage
and if you dont have aurora it isnt gonna be super big
xD
if you have extra staags you're better off giving them to pve bbs and stuff
or CAs
ionic magnet
that +10 hit from staag only translates to +1.5% hit rate on neptune
its basically nothing so yea better use staag elsewhere
and besides you wanna mix your AA guns if you want to optimze AA dmg
backlines always get staag so only place you can mix it up with UFOs/Bofors is VGs
vague token
i was doing nepnod with staag when i was running kgv
but im done with that now that wskai is here
xD
i just use sandy, the best gunner in the game
forest lake
Well my whole VG has UFOs so
vague token
that's fine usually
forest lake
Ight then
ionic magnet
yea its technically better
ionic magnet
but very slightly better
forest lake
Thanks guys 
vague token
we'll never get anyone as good as sandy at shooting vanguards =(
unless they power creep her
xD
or...
ionic magnet
shes called azuma
vague token
they unlock CA gun angles
aka azuma
xD
reee
although wiki SAYS it has 45 angle
i dont think it actually does that since it works like a bb gun?
ionic magnet
thought i could skip rushing PR2 cos hms is p much done for a year
but maybe azuma can make it even better
vague token
xD
i could just run team strong ships + 1 rando
fdg/amagi/wskai
azuma/juneau/whoever
probably aurora with all that gun option
ionic magnet
yea looks good
vague token
xD
ionic magnet
thats actually a meta comp in CN i think?
vague token
wouldnt surprise me
"just take the most op ships and throw em together"
all right looks good to me
synergy? what's that?
vague token
id probably try fdg/amagi/formidable personally
since fdg is still shelling biased
with a melee counter barrage
either way, 50 bps for a gun and fdg/azuma being long grinds is gonna be oof
vague token
im also not done with pr1 xD
ionic magnet
i have no cubes to dump so 
vague token
guess i better hurry up with ibuki exp instead of leveling nepnod
ionic magnet
same im still missing roon but should be finished before pr2
i was waiting for better kms VGs
vague token
that's good joke
vague token
just have koln in your SOS
abstract cypress
im basically doing koln+carl for fast sos
shy hazel
pleb ezcuses
hot creek
does sheffield buff herself?
hot creek
I could have sworn I saw the shiny sheff animations go off as their sheffield stalled me into next reset for -1 charge 
ionic magnet
hot creek
maybe hallucinations from the impending doom
their backline was all dead but sheffield was roaching as if she was a ykkz
hot creek
Thats what I get for forgetting to swap to nepgun aux 
ionic magnet
went 15-0 and 14-1 vs these btw
warkai +FC looks really good
even torp meme isn't a problem anymore
hot creek
Now go find a Belfast fleet. I always have problems against her for whatever reason
tfw when enemy Belfast outliving your Neptune. 
ionic magnet
belfast smoke shouldnt cover anything from wfc i think?
hot creek
I don't think so, but still. She's like my nemesis.
hot creek
Belfast's revenge after all those times I called her overrated thot
ionic magnet
lmao
still minnow
@hot creek is prinz an overrated thot
hot creek
QE/WS users already halfway there
blazing scroll
empty grove
ionic magnet
vague token
warspite hits for like 200+ with nepgun on lights
so
xD
tfw formidable takes mvp
not sure how that happened
i guess warspite proc'd hiryuu too fast so barrage and gun damage got negated
coral wren
what beats hiryuu
I pretty much only lose to that
Somehow my hiryuu always dies first
coral wren
so put in sandy instead of bel?
blazing scroll
What is the vg you use?
coral wren
bel ykkz jesus
coral wren
I am running the exact same backline as everyone else
Sanrui is not dev 30 or even 25
blazing scroll
Bel is in tankspot I assume
coral wren
should I?
blazing scroll
Do you have her as tank?
ionic magnet
yeah levels are a big thing actually
coral wren
Rip
blazing scroll
True
ionic magnet
2% less dmg dealt and 2% more dmg taken per level difference
coral wren
so the best counter to hiryuu is still using the same thing?
coral wren
what's fc
ionic magnet
formi cent
coral wren
enty essex?
blazing scroll
Yea
coral wren
I don't have cent so
coral wren
Yeah, everyone using the exact same 6 ships
ionic magnet
you're fine til azuma/fdg comes
blazing scroll
She's annoying imo
coral wren
a lot of times I have 3 ships left
and I still lost
in the end
cuz their hiryuu survived longer than mine
ionic magnet
how underlevelled are you btw
blazing scroll
Since I'm using my freedom fleet, I have enty to counter
ionic magnet
oh yea
ionic magnet
nah namaryuu is better
coral wren
I guess I gotta level hiryuu to 120 then
ionic magnet
yeah just need levels
midnight heron
change 1 of ur aux to vh armour
ionic magnet
or are you using proper gears
blazing scroll
I'm still whooping namaryuu asses
ionic magnet
did you test your freedom vs maxed namaryuus already
blazing scroll
Yeah
ionic magnet
cos noone bothered testing that
coral wren
what's flag for freedom liberation?
correct me if i'm wrong but belt doesn't reduce ait torps dmg, right?
warspite kai right?
blazing scroll
My flag Amagi
coral wren
oh
blazing scroll
Her buffs are better
ionic magnet
CV torps are still counted as airstrike iirc
blazing scroll
But I'lk probably swap her out for Georgia
ionic magnet
cos they are not reduced by torp bulges
coral wren
Hm... ok then, i guess no need in it for other 2 vg ships
coral wren
torp vg gives me a hard time sometimes when ai is playing "catch em all" game
ionic magnet
do you mind writing up something in TL for freedom @blazing scroll
need more contributors
blazing scroll
I posted something but I've been busy with a bunch of projects
I haven't been able to test some more
ionic magnet
yea no rush