pvp

[coral wren]

and still have yukikaze alive
Then nagato procs right in her fucking face

[blazing scroll]

Or she rams herself into enemy bb

[coral wren]

^

[blazing scroll]

Plenty can go wrong

[ionic magnet]

yea it happens but overall its still a plus in your winrate

[blazing scroll]

The best part is when she crashed so far into the enemy that she's behind them and fires her torpedoes

[ionic magnet]

or she rams an invul'd hiryuu so she dies instead

[hot creek]

Well, like I said my ykkz unreliable. She often takes too much damage before arriving at backline. Usually has like a fifth of her bar by that time. Can't really tank those Nepguns either cause dat AP projectile speed so fast.

[blazing scroll]

pvp is full of gimmicks

[coral wren]

I need to see just how much damage hiryuu does to full hp backline with her double proc

[hot creek]

Maybe I'm not putting enough boilers on ykkz but even if I do I feel like it lower her HP too much

Nagato buffed Hiryuu does afuck ton of damage

you wont survive

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu still hurts a lot. i'd say a little more than half hp of your backline from full hp

[hot creek]

she will solo three backline ships by herself

fucking bullshit of a ship

[trim horizon]

Ryuu-kai

[hot creek]

need to lower the invincibility uptime to 5 sec

fucking 15 seconds so ridic

you can tank one airstrike but you won't tank 2

and that 15 seconds will usually allow her to launch 2

Either that or make Nagato buffs not persist after sunk

[coral wren]

regarding her i feel like if uss was at the level of hms, it might actually win against namaryuu while being on defense, just due to high aa

And if they happen to get some ships that may powercreep amagi with a good faction buff, i think namagyuu will be ded

[blazing scroll]

I'm close to finishing my USS meme fleet

[coral wren]

it doesn't affect pve at all so they prolly won't even bother with her

[hot creek]

its fine, once we get our bullshit ship (in the form of wskai) it will be balanced.

[coral wren]

pray for iowa?

[hot creek]

I am actually looking forward to wskai now

[blazing scroll]

I'm still waiting for an USS BB at Amagi's lvl

Or Nagato

[trim horizon]

never

[ionic magnet]

amagi is a mistake they won't make a copy again

[hot creek]

they will, it will be called Yamato.

[blazing scroll]

[coral wren]

wait for yamato then

[trim horizon]

🤡 🖐 here take your 500 AA stat

[ionic magnet]

amagi kai
4 skills

[blazing scroll]

I can see it happening @trim horizon

1 or 2 skills with only high AA

[hot creek]

Have you seen KC Yamato take out those planes with sanshiki shells in the anime

[trim horizon]

[coral wren]

It was absolutely retarded. But hey, so is humanized ships

[blazing scroll]

You mean the 410 proto gun

[hot creek]

they need to make to so that gun actually deletes planes

[trim horizon]

[hot creek]

would be truly meme worthy

[trim horizon]

confetti gun

[hot creek]

I remember putting that on hood and syncing it with fox airstrikes, barely did shit

[blazing scroll]

The gun is shit

[hot creek]

yeah its one whole gimmick is the AA thing but it cant even do that

man I hope someone can battle my defense fleet so I can see if my Za Warudo timing is right.

cause defense timing is different than offense due to difference in distance of VG battle

[coral wren]

Everyone here just resets the lobby instantly when they see your sandbagging ass

[hot creek]

You know, having a sandbagger in lobby isn't such a bad thing. You're garuanteed to get at least some bonus off them as opposed to a completley dead list. Unless they're scum like me and wait til literal last 5 min to finish.

But I don't even bother with that anymore

usually finish with 10 mins left now

[blazing scroll]

Still not that great

Because you might get 2 or 3 rushers in the meantime

[hot creek]

the best is when you have at least one sandbagger on your list.

[shy hazel]

somehow im getting infected by the hms craze

imagine it

im using an hms def fleet right now

unbelievable

[coral wren]

Weren't you the one who claimed def fleet doesn't matter? So why bother or was it sagittary

[blazing scroll]

def fleet only matters when people need there attacks in the last minutes

[midnight heron]

rusher life

[past egret]

Rushing FTW

Between sandy Helena and Cleveland, who should I put a washing machine on?

[ionic magnet]

i'd put it on helena cos she has the best utility and she's also the squishiest among those three

[past egret]

My aux on Helena are both Pearls Tears and Beaver badge

Should I move the pearls tears for wash machine?

[ionic magnet]

something like bulge/pearl on cleve, rudder/boiler on helena, toolbox/boiler on sandy

well depends on who dies first

[past egret]

Usually sandy

Cause she’s in the bottom most position of vanguard

[ionic magnet]

sandy lead?

[past egret]

Si

Helena top Cleveland mid sandy lead

[ionic magnet]

i'd rather lead with cleve tbh cos she has the worst skill/dmg

and she tanks just as well as sandy if not better

[past egret]

Something like this?

My internet booty it might take like 5-10 mins to send these pics

[ionic magnet]

also beaver is best used on your BBs or flag cos they have low base eva and they take the most dmg

(also unconfirmed) you don't waste your beaver's speed buff compared to when you put it in your VG and she dies early

[past egret]

(More sending school WiFi pepega)

Move beaver squad to SD and put a torp bulge on Helena ?

Wash is using the event SG tower and a exchange white shell already

[ionic magnet]

you need some boiler in there else your VG will just melt to enemy BBs

torp bulge is only really good on your lead VG

mid and top VG can do just fine without bulge

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Ejmze/d0a6019f6b.png this man has showed me the way

[past egret]

Amagi Naga puke

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

also white shell is only good on bisko/jb

[hot creek]

this VG is so tanky even underleveled. Gonna start working on my Sheffy again.

[past egret]

I like the Sheffield though

@ionic magnet so i could put beaver squad on Wash, replace the torp bulge on sandy with a washing machine and the AA a boiler

and Helena’s bulge another boiler

Not bulge, beaver squad *

[ionic magnet]

yep and replace sodak white shell

[past egret]

(Since white shell isn’t used on wash, id replace that with beaver)

My SD doesn’t have a white shell

Or do you mean put it on her

[ionic magnet]

oh i misread

no dont use white shell at all

[coral wren]

Did he beat your butt, phoenix

[hot creek]

well he has full oath zoo so its still typical meta. just that the vg is decievingly tank. Or rather, sheffield buff applied to yukikaze is op.

I wonder how Sheffield buff on double oxy Neptune would go

Goddamn, this ykkz unstoppable

I wanna use this combo now

but I dun wanna oath ykkz

stupid op meta ship

[coral wren]

Lmao, are you still trying to kill him

[hot creek]

I'm just testing vs him

[coral wren]

Ah, allright

[hot creek]

he hasn't moved yet so no need to kill lol

can still use this combo even with underleveled sheff

my ykkz unstoppable now

[coral wren]

inb4 kgv's crit with white shell deletes her

[shy hazel]

good luck with that

[midnight heron]

carried by oath bonus

[coral wren]

it's just 6%

[midnight heron]

dat 6% is more than wat it seems

[past egret]

@ionic magnet

(More sending school WiFi again pepega)

(No spare wash machine yet but that’ll replace gold AA)

That good?

Cleveland leading has the same gear, pearl tears and torp bulge

[ionic magnet]

better replace AA thingy with another boiler or just bulge/toolbox

[midnight heron]

y fcr on wash instead of sd tho

[ionic magnet]

whats your gear on sodak btw

[past egret]

My gear on SD needs some updating but 1 sec lemme grab it

@midnight heron I was told it’s better on wash

[midnight heron]

confused black man meme

sd has double dmg proc skill so idk y its better on wash

[ionic magnet]

yea wash barrage is time based so fcr wont help her

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/EjmZ9/9b04bcb4da.png Sheffield buffed ykkz confirmed insane

[past egret]

Also I switched out Sandy’s gold AA for another boiler

[ionic magnet]

ok remove autoloader now before you get meme'd

[midnight heron]

i can assure u my yuki never lives dat long even with sheff buff

dats y my oath bonus bias

[shy hazel]

autoloader

[hot creek]

oh wow I had an extra 4 levels on sheffield after cog break

[ionic magnet]

beaver + fcr/sg on sodak
2x sg on wash

@past egret

tho fcr on wash is not that bad

[past egret]

Double gold SG?

[ionic magnet]

yea

whats your enty gear?

[past egret]

This SD PIC WONT AEND REEE

@ionic magnet that’s the new gear changes

I have a +7 aviation purple oil tank but isn’t +10 gold catapult better

(Also I’m out of blue aux plates send help)

[ionic magnet]

you want 1 oil tank for a solo CV

[sharp wing]

only 1, skill doesn't stack

[ionic magnet]

oil tank + beaver/gold cata should be good

yea wrong word mb

[sharp wing]

wasd tank put sg instead hsfcr better

Sodako i mean

hsfcr on wash

[ionic magnet]

wait wdym by skill doesnt stack

[sharp wing]

as well as gold DD gun better on sodako for more AA vs ryuusseis

on wash u can put even purple gun w/ more FP, like 120mm?

[past egret]

That DD gun?

[ionic magnet]

put that 138mm on sandy

then just use 127 on sodak

[past egret]

Am I good yet

Sending

also where to get blue auxiliary plates?

[midnight heron]

buy more aa guns

[past egret]

Yes I’m saving STAAG’s up

[midnight heron]

dismantle gear from those trash purple box

[past egret]

hUh

.

[midnight heron]

u get millions of parts

[past egret]

They give-

Nvm

I knew that ofc

[ionic magnet]

btw juneau is USS also and shes better than any of your VGs rn

[midnight heron]

||btw bache is uss also and shes worse than any vg||

[past egret]

@ionic magnet I refuse to use her

Disgusting meta ship

I spit on her

@midnight heron Bache supreme

[ionic magnet]

i drink her spit

[sharp wing]

[past egret]

Ok so to recap

[ionic magnet]

[midnight heron]

[past egret]

This is the gear we settled on for everyone correct

[sharp wing]

well, i rather use purple fp gun on wash over twin 127, but that doesn't matter much (Mle ideal if u got 2)

[midnight heron]

i wud still go for fcr sd just cuz potentially moar dps before she die

[past egret]

Sandy

Cleveland (lead)

[sharp wing]

that is irrelevant on 120

that was lvl 100 thing

[past egret]

Helena

SD

Wash

Enty

Am I good now?

Is the pepega equipment fixed

[sharp wing]

Also wash triple 381

[midnight heron]

no u

[past egret]

@ionic magnet das good?

[ionic magnet]

yea should be good

[midnight heron]

might as well triple 381 on both

[ionic magnet]

we could nitpick if we want but eh

[sharp wing]

And u better use 113 mm or staags on wasd

[midnight heron]

definitely stags tho

[past egret]

aye I’m still grinding for STAAGS

[sharp wing]

no, sodako 406

[midnight heron]

113 shud be on

[sharp wing]

wash triple 381

113 before u get staags

[past egret]

I don’t have those either

Replace that for this on wash?

[midnight heron]

[ionic magnet]

no thats a diff gun

[sharp wing]

PR 381

[midnight heron]

confused pikachu face

[sharp wing]

Look on my image

[past egret]

AH that thing

I didn’t know that was a BB gun

[sharp wing]

I posted it...

[past egret]

I know I had a pepega moment

Sorry

[sharp wing]

that's the gun for timed barrage boats

and low FP, like BMs

BMs benefit double from it

timed barrage + huge fp boost

[sharp wing]

Also https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/600576797075046421

[buoyant parrot]

hows the sandbagging lords here doing?

[sharp wing]

[dry socket]

feet—formidable, essex, enty, and a torpedo-specialized vanguard

i just have this whimsical feeling that it would do well in pvp

[midnight heron]

and then namaryuu says

[coral wren]

Well, phoenix also had a feeling his fleet would do well untill he met zoo with a tanking vg

[sharp wing]

And he uses proper fleet, no 3 cv meme

the only 3cv comp that can relatively work good tbh is foxes w/ enty or hiryuu flag

[trim horizon]

@hot creek ur Za Warudo timing is 👌

I mean no damage to make me reset

But the timing is there

[sharp wing]

timing is , but still over half hp vg

[shell heron]

It's a start

[sharp wing]

that's ryusseis?

aside that 1 alba ofc

[trim horizon]

He's using those if he didn't change

[sharp wing]

eh

need second ryuu

[trim horizon]

VG died too quickly tho

[hot creek]

Lol. Yeah looks like I still have eva equips on. Its enough damage on offense at least.

Need to put catas back on and Sirius

[sharp wing]

just killed Amakaga w/ 0 losses

and i'm lvling 1 vg

really poo compared to nakaga

[hot creek]

Also was using ryu/albacore instead of barra/albacore

since barra too fast for defense

[sharp wing]

so that even double ryuu

Also

200 IQ math

need that +1

[trim horizon]

1.5 sec of freeze is not enough

[hot creek]

might be able to go back to barras once yellow skill maxed. I prefer barra on formidable.

[trim horizon]

Like most of the ryuu whiffed

[sharp wing]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/623454077753360394

timings but unoathed

[hot creek]

Yeah, youre talking about Formidables ryus right

[sharp wing]

ye

[trim horizon]

Yeah

Formi ryuus were late

But the timing of Centaurs and Za Warudo was all the damage my VG took

[sharp wing]

they should hit just when stop ends and slow starts

[hot creek]

Im wondering if I could swap in the barras and still have it synced with Centaur

[sharp wing]

i can math it

just give loadout

[hot creek]

Well the timing is different for offense and defense thats why I was using ryu on Formidable. So I can make her go slightly later than barra.

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

offense has to launch earlier, defense slightly later. Anyways I swapped to this now

[sharp wing]

lol, how many dildos is 15.5k VG

well, barra w/ slow is kinda meh

i'd rather ryuu+fighter

[twin vortex]

@sharp wing lul

[hot creek]

the ryuus miss tho.

[sharp wing]

she launches so late or what

[twin vortex]

Want bring her to pvp ?

[hot creek]

The slow is not enough on defense for her a
own airstrike.

[trim horizon]

The duration of her slow it wasnt enough and my VG just moved

Yeah

[sharp wing]

well, that's for def cause yr vg closer to main

but on offense

[twin vortex]

Yeah za warudo

[sharp wing]

should be just right

[hot creek]

Yeah I already know that lol

[sharp wing]

On offense ryuu miss too?

I don't feel like gimping offense setup cause of def anyway

[hot creek]

They usually hit but its wonky sometimes. Ryu on offense makes its sync a little too late though unless I swap out the DB for something faster

Hoping I can just stay barras with the extra 0.3 seconds I have left to squeeze out of the skill lol

[sharp wing]

or just repuu ryuu

[hot creek]

Nah, need all the damage I can get

[sharp wing]

that's 0.7 diff

[trim horizon]

100/150 and Homing Beacon when

[sharp wing]

2k21

I want my ghetto 1600 seaplanes too

lol, this nakaga again forced me into single ryuu in counter

even their nanoda droped ded early

[vague token]

ap dive bomber when

[sharp wing]

lol, another nakaga, again solo ryuu

[vague token]

also cool, essex road trip

[sharp wing]

1 ship away from gold rose, 2 subs at 99
RIP

Base skin still better cause xbow

[vague token]

true

im surprised she doesnt have the xbow packed on the bike

that would be neat

like hunting road trip

or something

[sharp wing]

I have almost full "fleet" of archer waifus in another game

Yet better xbow mounted on bike

[vague token]

bike with xbow turret xD

[sharp wing]

roadkill

arrived to 10 points mark...

[hot creek]

Honestly wish I had a 120 Lusty to play around with

so sad I didn't take advantage of the 20% xp boost cause I thought it would last longer.

[sharp wing]

lusty sadly has 6/0/2 loadout

and very low eff on torps

But now i'm kinda hyped for their youngest sister

She was a sub-class of Lusty class, improved

[zenith tundra]

was formidable barrage always like this? i maxed slow 1st

or it just improves with slvl

[sharp wing]

formidable barrage is 2 lines of 6 parallel torps

at max lvl

lines can be diagonal and combined in different manner

[zenith tundra]

i never saw another pattern other then \

[sharp wing]

i mean, it's 2 lines always

but they can be positioned differently

like 1 top half of screen 1 bottom half

or 1 behind another like on yr screen

aka \ \ or
\

[hollow spindle]

They're the same

[split marten]

Patrician

That man is a patrician

[buoyant parrot]

@hollow spindle this excites me for some apparent reason

[midnight heron]

its a pit stop

[midnight heron]

finally got formid i can rest nao

[stark raft]

Aw fuck

I want desuland

[vague token]

wait

they added a ship with a skill

that transforms based on the equipped gear

(monthly)

this should be applied to more barrages xD

[midnight heron]

we get cute loli today

[vague token]

yeah and her torpedo barrage matches her gear

it's really neat

[white granite]

if I had to run 2 ijn vanguards, would ibuki or jintsuu be better?

[shy hazel]

jintsu

oh

ya pvp

depends

[vague token]

depends imo

[wicked rivet]

ibuki

[shy hazel]

you know

its situational

if the other vanguard hes talking about is a torp based vg

then jintsu will do better

[white granite]

Juneau and yukikaze

im trying to make amagi+Nagato+monarch work

[ionic magnet]

cant really go wrong either way

i'll prolly pick ibuki if shes maxed but im also biased cos shes a qt

just open gold boxes for 9 months easy

[sharp wing]

And get 0

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

Damn, they look really good

That's some delicious food

[trim horizon]

Roon looking at her food

[sharp wing]

Roon dress lines make her even qt somewhat

[ionic magnet]

ibuki ate a lot of food to gain weight like that

[sharp wing]

She is perfectly balanced

[shy hazel]

i remember someone like that

when i tell belfat

[ionic magnet]

👀

ibulky

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

Oh, it's that torpedo skill with timer that was datamined some time ago on new monthly ship
actually this is probably 1st decent monthly ship

[buoyant parrot]

I smell PR2 around the corner

[trim horizon]

fleet tech

is global right ?

I mean all ships benefit from them... or not

🤔

[sharp wing]

yes

And defense fleets

U can easily see it anyway, check tech bonus on 2 same class ships from diff faction

[trim horizon]

im a casual player

[sharp wing]

Hey, i'm casual too

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

Casual =/= pleb tho

[trim horizon]

im a casual pleb then

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

Im a casual who quitted

[sharp wing]

Gonna cumback

[trim horizon]

a casual from Avrora

is not a casual

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[sharp wing]

Oh, they changed how equipped equipment enhance works?

now it sends you to equipped ship screen

can't enhance from gear menu

[shy hazel]

bunch of liars

[sharp wing]

no u

[shy hazel]

im casual

i play diff game hardcore

casual on al

[sharp wing]

same

[shy hazel]

do you know how many italygun bp i have

still 2

0 motivation

[sharp wing]

4

they just dun drop

[trim horizon]

mfw we already have a VA for Vittorio Veneto

[midnight heron]

vs nakaga torpmeme

[trim horizon]

+4 alraedy

1191 6/10

[sharp wing]

lucksack

[shy hazel]

no problem xy

u gonna lose a round soon

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

No, i need to 1st

[shy hazel]

ooompa ooompa

where is kiro the sacrifice

[trim horizon]

stop voodooing me

[sharp wing]

well, not lose, but sleep over

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

i'm 1166 9/10 so kinda a bit ahead, but still bs compared to our 10+ start difference

[midnight heron]

[sharp wing]

Hungry Doge

[analog hare]

[trim horizon]

https://youtu.be/J5yOHTZzMRM?t=17

what is she saying

[shy hazel]

i mean

there is the english version if u want the meaning

that voice sounds like mamiko noto

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

when they introduced italy

[trim horizon]

It is

[shy hazel]

so littorio is mamiko noto

maybe

for venici

or*

[trim horizon]

the Vid on EN is different

[shy hazel]

do you mean kore wa lady no sahou desuka

[trim horizon]

no, Mamiko

[shy hazel]

This is a lady's manners

if u want to translate that part

Did you think that you won already? Have a glance of Sardegna's [glorious] might

basically

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

if you want to make it more dramatic

lets add glorious there

thats how we "localize" japanese

we can add dramatic

[trim horizon]

kono teido ka katsuri or something

[shy hazel]

kone teido de katta tsumori

do you think you can win with only this much

Did you think that you already won? is basically the more native sounding one

lol

katta is past form of win

kono = this teido = this much katta = won

i dunno how to explain tsumori

lol

we need a #tl channel

[trim horizon]

that was clear

[shy hazel]

aa

tsumori is nearer to = expect

ya

did you think that you already won

is the most correct

[trim horizon]

Sardinia ~~ kochira miyo

watching anime didn't teach me anything what is this shit

[shy hazel]

sardinia no chikara wo miyou

lol

chikara = power miyou = look

Look upon's Sardegna's power

sounds bad right

Gaze upon Sardegna's might

sounds better

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

this would normally cost you 50 dollars 👀

for every page

pay me

[trim horizon]

im just going offline

[shy hazel]

nein

aa talking about italy

i heard your pm is gonna get ganked soon

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

this talk gave me a weird idea

suggested in discord feedback to make translation club

[trim horizon]

they want actual translation of the game

[shy hazel]

hey im personally satisfied with how na is tled

lol

oops

i mean global

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

i mean it sucks but at least i understand it

but it can be better

oops xchat

lol

[trim horizon]

[surreal locust]

is my SL7 Nagato ready to use a barrage gun?

30% proc looks kinda low

[shy hazel]

sl10 it

[surreal locust]

that's what I'm trying to do

[trim horizon]

40 % is also low

[surreal locust]

so use barrage gun anyway?

[trim horizon]

yaeh

[elder crane]

is slv7 even the full pattern yet for Nagato barrage?

I forget when her pattern maxes out

[trim horizon]

nagato barrage upgrades at lvl 4,7 and 10

[elder crane]

What does she lose for not lv10, again?
if it's a chevron then for sure don't bother with barrage gun on Nagato
even at maxlv some ppl prefer 410/trip381/mk6 on Nagato

Huh, purple SAP looks surprisingly cool
and the stupid VT is as frustrating as I expected vs anything that moves/can die before volley is complete

[shy hazel]

2nd >

type so long

i alrdy tabbed

[midnight heron]

---

---

---

\
\
\
/ /
/ /
/ /

---

---

---

nagato barrage

[shy hazel]

so much effort

[midnight heron]

||bored waste of time||

[sharp wing]

t2 Zara gun is AP, not SAP, only t3 is sap

[safe meteor]

if using Roon in pvp, which gun is better, AP or HE prototype research gun?

[sharp wing]

Mle for barrage Roongun for more reliable gundps

[shy hazel]

i dont think he knows what roon gun is

specifically

ghetto names

lol

[midnight heron]

use gun for lousy targeting

[sharp wing]

HE = Mle = sanrui gun; AP = Roongun

We need that pic w/ ghetto names pinned here

Is it in bot commands?

[sharp wing]

My Roon finally got cubes after like a month since i'm done w/ event build


Had to give her dress, so she doesn't decides to... well

[midnight heron]

did someone say done with event build

[sharp wing]

last 3x daily today gave me that foaking elite

How long event lasts?

[midnight heron]

where my zara

[trim horizon]

Here with me

[sharp wing]

since 11th?

[midnight heron]

idk i only know its 2 weeks

[sharp wing]

well, done in 30 cubes

[midnight heron]

reported for hax

[sharp wing]

daily 3x

Hey, was at 0 cubes

previous event

cut me a slack

[midnight heron]

no

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

dats some incredibly unrealistic odds tbh

[sharp wing]

well, that's how i used to do all events

[midnight heron]

[sharp wing]

Till summer

[midnight heron]

lucky betch

[sharp wing]

any1 have problems connecting to game?

[midnight heron]

u having problems cuz lucky betch

[sharp wing]

I like foodie w/ temper

[silver root]

oh shit

hiryuu retro incoming

[solid dune]

oh boi the bunny retrofits are heeeeeere

[sharp wing]

When u didn't expect anything from EN, they break 4th wall

[dry socket]

namaryuu

[trim horizon]

[solid dune]

even more cancer

[sharp wing]

DragonKais before ws kai

They got me totally surprised there

[trim horizon]

Bunny-kai were on Mikasa event ?

[elder crane]

CE

[sharp wing]

idk, but around half year after ws

or so

[elder crane]

They came with Amagi

for CN/JP that is

[shy hazel]

good

[elder crane]

inb4 CE rerun is coming

[shy hazel]

bunny kai

i feel happy

[silver root]

double dragon sounds pretty decent in EN meta

[sharp wing]

I feel how more tears coming

[elder crane]

Double dragon iirc ends up being just worse vs Namayuu, with other matchups mostly identical

[shy hazel]

watch out for people complaining in game feedback

[sharp wing]

double dose of cancer

[midnight heron]

rip im gonna lose more lvling namae + torpmeme nao

[sharp wing]

[dry socket]

nagato and company could definitely dominate pvp

[elder crane]

they already areeeee

[shy hazel]

has always been

lol

since introduction

[sharp wing]

5 months already

[dry socket]

enty comps still smash me from time to time

[elder crane]

Basically has spread since Nagato
though imo Amagi/Hiryuu was already a sleeper comp before that

[sharp wing]

namaenty is a thing

[dry socket]

it

was

a thing

[midnight heron]

i call it namae just cuz jap

[elder crane]

Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood on offense easily (100% basically, or at least 90%+) beat out WaSDA when WaSDA was supposedly top dog
so it was at least comparable, just nobody ran it

Since nobody ran it afaik the opposite matchup (or mirror) was practically untested, so no clear ranking is possible

[vague token]

i liked dork/amagi/hiryuu

was fun

[elder crane]

tbf even WaSDA wasn't run that much

[buoyant parrot]

Can't wait to yet again wall

[sharp wing]

like surprise buttsex

[midnight heron]

legit

[elder crane]

time to see if HMS still stands up to Hiryuu ret
I think probably, I don't think ret changes matchup too much, maybe?

[buoyant parrot]

Hmmmm should I remove monarch or amagi

[sharp wing]

a little more damage output

mona goes to dockwatch

[violet sapphire]

hiryuu retro
damn

[elder crane]

more Avi, more eff, and some bonus planes
I forget what the analysis is on her dmg increase though

[vague token]

rng dive bomber skill right?

[sharp wing]

rng planes

[vague token]

1-4 planes or something

[elder crane]

RNG TBs for Hiryuu

[vague token]

oh ok

[elder crane]

DBs for Souryuu

and eff

[sharp wing]

It adds 5% bd eff and 15% fighter eff

[vague token]

well

[sharp wing]

torp eff remain same

[vague token]

yeah it's funny she gets no TB eff

xD

/cause it's 150

[sharp wing]

it's already 150

so her output doesn't change that much

[midnight heron]

shudve gotten ryuusei rng

[elder crane]

who even has higher than 150 slot eff

[vague token]

if only list table had efficiency

[elder crane]

35 avi is also nice as well

[vague token]

but noooo

[elder crane]

+10 Eva too, and +20 rld

[sharp wing]

hiryuu get's reload rtho

[vague token]

50 aa lol

so you can wreck foxes harder

[sharp wing]

becomes faster than Enty

[elder crane]

would be important if CVs were meta, lol
or maybe we're still sleeping on Cent/Formi

[vague token]

i mean

if aa stat becomes dangerous

just run double flood

and ignore it

[elder crane]

Strike travel delay means +20 rld doesn't change much vs Enty iirc

[sharp wing]

already tested

[vague token]

not like tick damage gets reduced by pvp mods

xD

[violet sapphire]

flood matters in pvp?

[elder crane]

flood and fires are boosted in PvP effectively

[vague token]

maybe? no one has 120 max formidable yet lol

[elder crane]

since all other dmg is reduced

[sharp wing]

phoenix runs formie cent QE

[buoyant parrot]

When Im currently working on Formi so I could test. I guess that goes to the back burner now

[vague token]

but defense flood does the same as offense flood

[elder crane]

Fomi isn't maxed for anyone though

[vague token]

and fires technically

[sharp wing]

it can get pretty stalled

looks very weak on def too

obviously

[vague token]

formidable isnt too great at flood but she has a bit

[elder crane]

yeah plane travel time is a bummer
at very least means off and def timings aren't the same

[vague token]

since she only has 9 seconds >_>

[elder crane]

iirc around 30-50% more tick dmg though than Essex

[vague token]

oh did they datamine it?

it has a .39-.45?

xD

[sharp wing]

they eyed it

[elder crane]

coeff is 0.3 but it's 120% avi instead of 100%

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

and her torp that applies is higher base dmg iirc

240 vs 208

[sharp wing]

but her flood lasts 9 sec only

[vague token]

that's ok, i guess

but you get only 3 ticks so

=/

[sharp wing]

gotta compensate somehow

vs almost triple regular duration

[vague token]

but it stacks so it's fine

[elder crane]

Yeah about 1.4 times the dmg of Essex flood, on paper

[vague token]

ILL JUST USE BOTH

[elder crane]

does it though?

[vague token]

flood should stack

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

assuming different sources/coef

i checked with sara

[sharp wing]

coef same tho

[vague token]

ill check once she gets levels i guess

xD

[sharp wing]

it needs hell of a testing data

only burn sources somewhat tested

[buoyant parrot]

Plebs in General talks about how pvp will be hard again. As if it weren't already hard enough for this casuals

[vague token]

if it doesnt i can always go to sara/formidable

[sharp wing]

lmao, it almst change nothing for pvp

[vague token]

since sara will stack for sure

although it's gonna take a while since formidable is at 85 i think

still working on essex xD

[sharp wing]

I need to work on taihoe, but now dragonkai greatly discourage it

[vague token]

that's oof

[sharp wing]

But gotta do it... for reasons

[vague token]

i dont think she's a meme

[trim horizon]

phoenix got the timing on her Centaur+Formi

[vague token]

she has a great utility kit

[trim horizon]

but it lacked damage

[sharp wing]

timings are easy

[vague token]

you just need someone who can actually punch xD

[sharp wing]

but damage

He got stalled by stall vg iirc

[vague token]

sara is better at deleting stall vanguard with a cc probably

[sharp wing]

staleled

[vague token]

double dive with sakura torps

into flood/burn

stacking with gun burn

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

I'm gonna throw sara out of dock

🤦

ppl try to invent foxes

[vague token]

i think amagi still better than 3 cv

[buoyant parrot]

See you guys back on 1st day of hiryuu kai

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

wait so how many months did CN/JP had before WS-Kai after Hiryuu-kai >

[sharp wing]

ws was 1st

wdym

[trim horizon]

wait

wat

[vague token]

en retro order fun times

[trim horizon]

really ?

[sharp wing]

yes, that's why i talk about 4th wall breaking lol

dragons kai are like half year after wskai

one of latest retroes on jp

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

well, now not so latest

half a year ago

We need shutdown #pvp on vacation during 1st week of ryuukai

[trim horizon]

"just bring Sandy-kai"

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

How to kill Roon

Now how to Kill ryuu

It EVOLVES

[trim horizon]

donate T3 red books

[sharp wing]

donate

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/p94t3m

[buoyant parrot]

Lol this people...

[trim horizon]

it's literally the same

[coral wren]

wasn't ws kai right during hiryuu kai?

i think they came out at the same time

[buoyant parrot]

It's pretty much still the same where edgy sandbaggers rule this section of the game

[trim horizon]

filthy sandbagger

purge them all w/ a 10hrs+ mt

[coral wren]

oh wait, hiryuu kai was in december, while ws kai in early jan

[finite valve]

prepare for cancer 2.0

after that comes the great liberation of ws kai

at least with ws we going to have more variation of comps

NOT

[buoyant parrot]

Then Ver 3.0 for fdg

Then 4.0 for Amagi retro to effin break the game finally

[finite valve]

who would have known sick fox = best fox

[vague token]

i mean, all the people who called for nerfs before release

xD

[sharp wing]

oh, so ws was actually almost same time w/ dragons kais

[coral wren]

noone was calling for coughing whore nerfs tho

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

everyone was thinking how ther buffs are average at best

Meh, whatever. That bitch has been breaking pvp for how much, 9 months? With no fixes whatsoever

[sharp wing]

There no pvp.

Just exercises. And devs give 0 shit about it

since after like few months after CN launch

[coral wren]

[shell heron]

I moved because I was told I need to do something Now I'm told we'll go later

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

I got a 2 +1 matches already so not like I lost much

could have been worse. could have moved with a +0

[lament lichen]

Lol i forgot about pvp again

At least people can now complain about hiryuu retro now

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

oh, hiryuu kai has been announced

[vague token]

no bonuses after sleep

what is this

xD

[elder crane]

@coral wren
Well actually community outcry (over in CN I suppose?) over her skills when they were leaked meant Amagi skills were actually downtuned for release
well, except barrage cause nobody knows if they touched that at all

[shy hazel]

honey

its voodoo

[shell heron]

you woke up too early

[shy hazel]

by yours truly

[shell heron]

go back to bed

[shy hazel]

monster under the bed kiro

the name is Saratoga

[elder crane]

15% main fleet evarate and 12% statreduction iirc was what was leaked/teased

[vague token]

the monster under the bed is her voice lines she uses every 10 seconds

[sharp wing]

Also her barrage was like 100% rpoc?

or close to that

She was real monstrocity in preview

[elder crane]

I forget if preview had preload though

wasn't that added in readjustment or something?
or was that the fire reduction

[sharp wing]

idk

[elder crane]

and ofc we don't know if her barrage itself was touched

[sharp wing]

well, not like any1 cares by now anyway

well, wasn't her barrage pattern also fixed after some time

from lazors

[elder crane]

that was postrelease and iirc only EN

[sharp wing]

to ballistics

spacecruiser Amagi

[elder crane]

for some reason when they ported to EN the barrage pattern was deleted and all the linear shots fired in this laser

iirc CN and JP didn't ever have that issue

[sharp wing]

EN fail copycats

[coral wren]

@elder crane Oh, is that so? Well, i guess at least cn have some reasonable voices to slap devs when it's needed. I do wonder tho will they get bored of namagyuu meta ever to ask devs for a strong uss/french fleet for meta to shift

[sharp wing]

they already bored of PR2, not even of ryuu, lol

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

ryuu is like dark ages in CN now

FdG

[elder crane]

she's T1 only because the T0/0.5 teams can't 100% it

only ~90% offense winrate for Namazu Hiryuu, Namazu WSret or FdG
in terms of as offense Namazu Hiryuu winrate is about 50% vs FdG team

[sharp wing]

can't on pvp

Let's see what PR3 has to offer

Russia rise up

And i mean, they won't be wrong. AL came to WoWs to ask for collab after all

Time to assert dominance

[vague token]

if only alabama got invuln on her lucky a

instead of torp dr from wows

_>

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

so when can we convert old barrages into ones that adjust based on gear

they have the technology

[sharp wing]

About... Never.

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Cause it's irrelevant

[vague token]

mostly i just want ammo inheritance

so we dont have to look up all the whacky modifiers

xD

[sharp wing]

That would make weak ships good, kill the hype

No

[vague token]

but

you see

[sharp wing]

I see u liked new monthly ship too

[vague token]

if we get gear based barrage

we get barrage skins

[wicked rivet]

Hiryuu kai incoming

Rip my winrate vs namaryuu

0% incoming

[harsh moon]

should I use Souryuu for Namaryuu if I don't have Amagi?

[coral wren]

Hm, well, more testing incoming kgv monarch ws vs kgv monarch cent/formi

with various vg setups

[lunar veldt]

@harsh moon its a viable strat, she buffs frontline and her kai is coming anyways

[sharp wing]

Yeah, NagaDragons was one tier up from Nakaga on CN during ws times

(but 2 tiers below Namaryuu)

[gritty cove]

Time to ditch the royal team now

Unless warkai

[sharp wing]

Not like warkai saves hms, makes other comps

[coral wren]

weaklings

[sharp wing]

like wsfoxes

[gritty cove]

Saves it atleast on attacking side

On.. some level

[sharp wing]

or namawarkai

[coral wren]

so i guess it's only me phoenix and hoo who will stay with hms

[lunar veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231050113039073281/625031176477868082/Screenshot_20190922-021025.jpg

[sharp wing]

Yeah, that comp gets stalled so ez

ppl try to reinvent foxes and make it look diff

[vague token]

centaur just hits hard but not as hard as say a 2x proc from other cvs

she doesnt have any special dps skills really

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

so she can get stalled

[sharp wing]

Pretty much

[coral wren]

sheff+yuki proved that, along with phoenix's bantz

[vague token]

i dunno how strong her barrage is but i doubt double avi boost is that much

[sharp wing]

xD

[vague token]

raw stat boosts are better on dots and bb barrages

imo

[sharp wing]

raw stat boosts only good when it has multiplicative to it

[vague token]

i mean, raw boosts are good when you have dots

because they ignore pvp rules

so you translate the stat directly to more damage

[sharp wing]

cause dots are multiplier in it's core

[vague token]

yeah

also dear god this sap gun grind

[sharp wing]

It's burning out

[vague token]

im at 3/15

=///////