pvp

[still minnow]

and then portland just solos everything

[shell heron]

[sharp wing]

lmao

[shell heron]

portland

[tulip summit]

lol wat

[sharp wing]

[still minnow]

???

can u stop memeing

that isnt helpful

[sharp wing]

Well, u meme

[still minnow]

I'm being 100% serious

[shell heron]

she's not too bad if you use some normal meta comps

or be leveled

[sharp wing]

not too bad is far from good in pvp terms

[tulip summit]

I dont think Ive heard of anybody having trouble against a portland(kai Im assuming) in PvP....

[sharp wing]

well, kai is by default

and yeah ofc

[shell heron]

she's still a CA which pvp VG comps usually all has torps

[ripe latch]

hm, any idea how kill yukikaze?

[sharp wing]

aurora

[ripe latch]

[tulip summit]

and a healthy dose of RNG god bribing

lol

[shell heron]

you mean the only counter to ykk. yes aurora

[sharp wing]

aurora will remove yukikaze of existence

[ripe latch]

aurora and +2 ships?

[shell heron]

other than that, she's as undying as a cockroach

[sharp wing]

assuming u dun have nanoda

probably jin

[tulip summit]

Aurora and Sendai for the flare maybe?

[sharp wing]

and just torp her

sendai is too sqwuish and flare too offtime

unless u foxes

[ripe latch]

hm , jintsu sendai and aurora?

[sharp wing]

sendai only really for anti CA

[tulip summit]

yeah I wouldnt know, still dont have Sendai :x

[shell heron]

sound like a fox comp VG there

[still minnow]

soooooooooo how do I kill portland? saying "meta comps dont have any issue with her" doesn't tell me how to kill portland

[sharp wing]

torp her

bomb her

[still minnow]

it just tells me to use a meta comp, which if I was capable of doing I would already be doing

[shell heron]

what are you even using that's having problems?

[ripe latch]

owari da kill portl

[sharp wing]

We cannot tell u anything, cause we don't know what u have?

[still minnow]

well if torpedoes and bombs kill portland then thats what I need to know and that's a good enough answer

[sharp wing]

torps have modifiers towards anti med/heavy armor

[still minnow]

I don't understand the focus on specific ships in this discord

[stark raft]

portland is a rock in the road and not that high of a hurdle

[sharp wing]

Cause some ships are just too op

[ripe latch]

120 portland tanks 2-4 launch strikes fox

[still minnow]

do I want aimed torpedoes or not-aimed torpedoes

[tulip summit]

especially in PvP you can really only have a few viable setups lol

[still minnow]

from bombers

[sharp wing]

depends on CV

and setup

[tulip summit]

parallel torps is better imo in general

[sharp wing]

depends on cv

and setup

[jovial sedge]

Its jut ijn bias cos they broken sad universe welcome to al and ur prob not doing some top pvp there

[sharp wing]

yeah, ok, we got it

[shell heron]

I prefer non aimed as in cudas or 818. Aimed is fine if you can wipe the enemy VG fast enough

or there's a chance they fly off the map

[stark raft]

Cent only wants Ryuusei

[sharp wing]

if u have 150%+ slot it's big waste not to use converging

[jovial sedge]

About that portland ><

[sharp wing]

it can yeet 80% hp on flag and then on flanks

just from 1 airstrike

that is if ryussei

if u dun have one, use barra

[still minnow]

is BTD-1 destroyer still an S tier pick for pvp?

[sharp wing]

what

it's safe to scrap mat

[shell heron]

[jovial sedge]

That up reaction

[still minnow]

isnt that the best in slot for bombers in pve

[shell heron]

it's always been helldivers

[sharp wing]

lmao

[still minnow]

o

[lament lichen]

Wat

[stark raft]

bruh

[tulip summit]

what

[jovial sedge]

Lol

[lament lichen]

Dont let that gold foor you

[sharp wing]

where you coming from?

[tulip summit]

where did you hear that from?

[still minnow]

can you guys stop fucking laughing at me everytime I don't know something

what the fuck is wrong with you

actually go fuck yourselves

[jovial sedge]

Ah i get it now

[sharp wing]

lol, everyone knows that basic stuff

[tulip summit]

Im sorry but Im not saying "what" sarcastically

[sharp wing]

check tierlist in pins for gears

[lament lichen]

Game help even has a gear tier list

[tulip summit]

its a genuine question

[ripe latch]

1 second on pvp better then helldivers

[sharp wing]

Look safe to scrap gear list on wiki

that gold is there

[tulip summit]

I think he ragequit the channel

[sharp wing]

I bet

I mean, u come runting u can't win pvp, but u dunno basic stuff

[lament lichen]

Honestly i dont know why people just ask questions when theres answers online

[still minnow]

no I didnt ragequit the channel I'm looking at the tier list

[tulip summit]

oh ok. So yeah genuine question. Where did you read/hear that from?

[sharp wing]

I mean, even pve gearlist don't have that kind of misinformation

[tulip summit]

thats why Im curious lol

[still minnow]

idk

[sharp wing]

Gold =/= BiS

in like 80% cases

[lament lichen]

I actually never seen the btd as top tier anywhere

[sharp wing]

ofc u wouldn't

Cause it's heccdiver>junkers>rest

[lament lichen]

Not even 2 years ago

[shell heron]

it's an option if you don't have any helldivers, but helldivers are purple

[vague token]

i dont even think junkers is good anymore

cause small bombs have lower base hit

[sharp wing]

still 5 bombs

[jovial sedge]

Just check the pin people who did that know their shit i dont argue there at all

[sharp wing]

and actual damage output evfen with low acc jsut more

[tulip summit]

and prob the best alternative if you dont have helldivers to begin with

[lament lichen]

Unless youre that one guy who always wants rank one every reset

[vague token]

lemme go look at that per strike page again on the cn wiki

[sharp wing]

blue heccdiver actualy alternative to purp

[lament lichen]

But really purple helldiver is a mistake

[jovial sedge]

Btw tho i had this thought but why is jb gun worse than 406?

[sharp wing]

aiming

and stats

[lament lichen]

Dps

Only jb can use it

[jovial sedge]

It got.more dmg sligthly.longer cd

[sharp wing]

it shoots 2x2 shots

rather long

[lament lichen]

^

[vague token]

yeah btd is better than junkers outside of light armor

[sharp wing]

and both same spot

dps is poop

targeting even worse

[jovial sedge]

Ah

Hmm

[lament lichen]

unless u preload

[jovial sedge]

Jb is special

[sharp wing]

only good if target 100% immobile

[jovial sedge]

With that cd red aux thing from start

Still nope

?

[sharp wing]

what

[lament lichen]

uh only french botes have preload

[vague token]

of course it isnt a ton better (nor a ton worse than junkers on light xD)

[jovial sedge]

Ah okey

[sharp wing]

I mean, fucking SUISEI has better light DPS, than BTD

[jovial sedge]

People wrote tho that french vg botes are quite tanky

[lament lichen]

Well skill wise yes

[vague token]

not according to cn wiki

comet is lower on damage/take off

after hit adjustment

[sharp wing]

actually faster

not lower

[jovial sedge]

Okey time to go sleep laters people ... have nice furry dreams :/

[vague token]

i mean just saying what their wiki says

xD

[sharp wing]

well

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/b320ba41fd294893d9c6efb213b29229

[sharp wing]

i just look at stat

[vague token]

the differences are hilarious

when you see heccdiver

[sharp wing]

huh

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

wtf is that

[vague token]

damage per take off speed adjusted for the hit

since bigger bombs have more hit rate

than small bombs

heccdiver blows everything out

but we knew that

it gets worse in pvp

[sharp wing]

i mean the difference between comet and btd

[lament lichen]

The kms bomber is pretty good

[vague token]

yeah btd wins on heavy/medium

but light it loses

[sharp wing]

junkers misses too much due to smoll

[vague token]

yeah

[still minnow]

what does VG mean

[vague token]

those numbers will be lower

in pvp btw

[tulip summit]

vanguard

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

because pvp has even lower hit rate for bombs

[lament lichen]

Yup

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/e19cbe46fdad97d85bb925e0ab2b235a

big oof

[sharp wing]

smoll bombs dun hit shit

[vague token]

100 bombs base 38% hit rate

like what

gimme my ap bomber

[sharp wing]

and no radius

[vague token]

so i can dump comet plz

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

Always trying to make sara work

[vague token]

ill take 2

[lament lichen]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[still minnow]

I cant help but notice that all the vanguards in the tier list are the same 5 ships rearranged in different ways

this looks balanced af

[sharp wing]

Any vg is mostly JUnie + Yukikaze + random

there never balance in pvp

What world u come from

At least in AL u can top1 pvp with $0

Gacha games survive from hype units anyway

They call Achilles Achille in patch notes, she is already not that feminine

[vague token]

/minus FEH cause skill transfer lel

[sharp wing]

fuccing balanced af

[vague token]

xD

[stark raft]

Your VG is just Jun + Nanoda + whatever

Until Azumama comes and fucks your backline up

[sharp wing]

With Azuma there 0 deviations in VG

The queen on her throne

does cn tierlist even include alternate vg?

aside faction bias

[stark raft]

cn tierlist is memes anyway

[sharp wing]

Hey, dreams are made of memes

Dun ruin dreams

[vague token]

and yet here i am getting focused fired by 2 people for my dreams ;)

the big oof

[sharp wing]

Your dreams were a mistake

[tulip summit]

seeking diversity in AL PvP fleet comp is a mistake lol

[sharp wing]

QEQ

[jovial sedge]

Now thats somth only if it worked actually... also dropped columbia kek

[tulip summit]

if you want to be "competitive" anyway

[sharp wing]

Well

Unless u want to push 5 tix last 10 mins

u dun even need some top tier comp

~~I use Wasd and i do that ~~

[jovial sedge]

I feel the guy he gets my rage over ijn bias

[sharp wing]

It's all in yr head

[jovial sedge]

Ur top 10 with wasd right and got no problem beating that zoo oathed

[sharp wing]

If i didn't sleep on tix

[still minnow]

bias implies that they actually try to balance it...

[sharp wing]

but yeah

U can beat cancer with much diversity of comps

[jovial sedge]

Not it means they make ijn broken as fck and.keep it still

[tulip summit]

lol I wish we could keep at least 15 tix instead of 10

[sharp wing]

20

[tulip summit]

would save me a lot of headache with trying to catch resets on time on most days

[vague token]

i wish we didnt have tix and instead a win/lose elo system

kek

[sharp wing]

Well, a normal pvp ladder

[jovial sedge]

Anyway if u must keep resseting and there is no chance at all some fights i cant win : /

[tulip summit]

thats what the refresh is for

[sharp wing]

well, if use something totally trash

[tulip summit]

then again you only have 5 so lul

[jovial sedge]

Got no yuki to compete it says for all

U dont refresh your sandbagged opppnent

[sharp wing]

qeq

[tulip summit]

if you cant win though its wasted sandbag either way

[sharp wing]

I actually beat cancer w/ my lvling fleet

after couple resets

[jovial sedge]

I beat it sometimes too

But not always

[tulip summit]

bah Im giving up on this season

[jovial sedge]

And whrn ur on 15th reset you start to question the devs sence of justice

[tulip summit]

I got too much shit to do for this shiet lol

[sharp wing]

lol, i dun need 15 resets even w/ lvling fleet

U do something really wrong

[jovial sedge]

Nothing i use best i have

But got no yuki to defen my main or tank front

[sharp wing]

lol

[jovial sedge]

So ijn bs simply

[sharp wing]

not like u need yukie to win

[jovial sedge]

Look i usr wasde with helena belfast and.jun or eldridge they cant survive zoo

[sharp wing]

i use wasda

[jovial sedge]

Wash sodako amagi?

[tulip summit]

what are your other options then? What about gear? What are you using and is it all +10?

[jovial sedge]

Ye everyrhing is maxed.skills etc

They are just not 120

[sharp wing]

that's the problem

fighting wall with lvl disadvantage

[jovial sedge]

But u brag u beat with lvl well if u use that amagu then its not even an argument

I use muricans fully : /

[sharp wing]

I beat em with enty and lusty 111 and 112 while lvling them now

[jovial sedge]

And vg?

[sharp wing]

siri helena

3rd i experiment

[jovial sedge]

Kek ok nope either u fight some imcomplete zoo or they gear bs

Cos that cant surive it with 2x cv 112

Or underleveled

[sharp wing]

well, i reset 1-2 times

[jovial sedge]

Ye ofc

[vague token]

xD

[jovial sedge]

That zoo deletes my vg in first secs...

[sharp wing]

also heavy armor carriers for some reason take huge damage frm planes

lol

what zoo has to do w/ vg delition

it's not foxes

[jovial sedge]

Their vg combined with amagi naagto barrages

[sharp wing]

few secs

nagato and Amagi barrage takes time

[jovial sedge]

You musy be trolling really hard there or the zoo u fight is shit

[sharp wing]

and not like Amagi deletes vg

[vague token]

i mean if you've been hit by both barrages main damage components you should restart cause you've been rng'd

[jovial sedge]

I fought some zoo like thst too and won... but there are those real zoos and they delete

[sharp wing]

oh, pls...

[shell heron]

As a person that use "zoo". My amagi never deletes anything

she chunks whoever is across from her

[stark raft]

just get your nep up and she'll casually tank zoo 7

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

U probably have seriously underllv stuff

[jovial sedge]

I dunno i use recommended gear and eveyrhing is maxed expect lvls and that vg of mine is dead after first shots of zoo

[sharp wing]

that's just kind of impossible lol

[stark raft]

What level is your VG anyway

[sharp wing]

unless they are below 110

[jovial sedge]

They are around 112 helena is 116 jun 115

[sharp wing]

lol

that's higher, than mine

[shell heron]

wasn't it like 2% dmg increase per level difference?

[sharp wing]

2% more damage dealt and 2% less recieved

119 enty should do the job

[shell heron]

the important part is 2% extra dmg per level you're taking

[jovial sedge]

Fought some aya yuki think eldrige vg 120 othed

With zoo main my vg died every time resrt

Tried using mirror eld didnt help

[sharp wing]

Unless Nagato procs each time, Cancer main is not really that good at vg deletion

[jovial sedge]

I dont.know i feel like when i fight em they consta proc those bareages

[tulip summit]

hmmm I feel like Juneau might be dying too quickly being upfront depending on who youre fighting

[sharp wing]

and u can easily ge 0 proc Naga

well, not 120

but underllved tank is bad

gotta swap her w/ Bel

[shell heron]

now that's just RNG being RNG there. your barrages are 70% while the enemy's is 100%

[jovial sedge]

Therefor i simply dont believe what u say about.lvling fleet cos it dont work that way and those 2 cvs... for real

[vague token]

dont forget the 1% evade rate and hit rate loss right?

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

it's a lot xD

[stark raft]

Helena and wasde setup is all rng

[sharp wing]

It's low rng

[jovial sedge]

Ok this guy here

[sharp wing]

nanoda tank

[stark raft]

that comp's meant to blow up your vg

[sharp wing]

yr underllved VG will get so wiped by Aurora

[jovial sedge]

Leds get the cancer to face

[sharp wing]

It's not abut cancer even

[tulip summit]

lol

[jovial sedge]

So dont tell this nonsence about beating.them

[stark raft]

Aurora debuff alone will spank your VG

[sharp wing]

Aurora rekts u alone

[jovial sedge]

With ur lvling fleet

[shell heron]

extra accuracy from level difference and evasion debuff from Aurora

[sharp wing]

there very few aurora fleets

U can not believe, i don't have to prove u anything, lmao

[tulip summit]

I think Ive beaten this defense comp before with a Nakaga + Junayatsuu

[sharp wing]

IDK how yr stuff not works up to 15 resets toh

It's just some BS

[tulip summit]

but thats with like 10+ resets lol

[jovial sedge]

Ehm

[sharp wing]

bel below 12k damage

Guess she got ass whopped

[jovial sedge]

That zoo procced everything

Prob somth doesnt sum.up there

Rng jesus likes u to prove the statement

[sharp wing]

And u need remove underlvled Junie from rank slot

that's as good, as brining actually boat w/ damage

[jovial sedge]

Whut

[sharp wing]

she dies before yr main get any decent damage

and deals no damage herself

hide her in safe spot

[jovial sedge]

Well she actually did that helena proced or she would be dead and then enty procced always so i won thx to thst

[sharp wing]

don't make her tank underlvled, esp VS Aurora

[jovial sedge]

I get thst but helena would be dead not for jun

[sharp wing]

You use Junie not to keep VG alive, lol

[tulip summit]

Shes emergency heal for the Main Fleet lol

[sharp wing]

lol

[jovial sedge]

Well ive put there hel cos they lack dmg

[tulip summit]

at least thats what I want her to do for my pvp fleet

[sharp wing]

leave helena mid, just put junie offtank

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

tho mid actually can die even faster, than offtank, if yr tank die fast

[tulip summit]

unless you pull some shenanigans like this

[sharp wing]

Good ol' Junie mvp

[jovial sedge]

Ugh zoo

[ionic magnet]

@Flypaste#0424 there's plenty of memers here. just block them and you'll be fine. just don't think that everyone in here is like them

[sharp wing]

He left

[ionic magnet]

lel hes gone

[tulip summit]

lol

kinda needs to lighten up a bit

[ionic magnet]

the toxicity is getting worse here

smh

[sharp wing]

U mean yrself now

smh

[ionic magnet]

you very well know whos the toxic one here

[jovial sedge]

Well still dunno how i won that somth not right think with his fleet also he had just 13.5k... too low also this

[sharp wing]

U

actually optimized vg 13.5k is right score

[jovial sedge]

Not all oathed

[sharp wing]

and?

[tulip summit]

Non oathed = not trying hard enough

[sharp wing]

oath doesn't make u win or lose really

[jovial sedge]

Weeeeeel

I had some fights

Where oathed save my ass

[sharp wing]

there top 10 ppl w/ 0 oath

How do u even know Oath saved yr ass

[jovial sedge]

When just 2 enties left and my won cos she was oathed and had more hp it was literraly both on zero

[tulip summit]

there is a difference between oath and non-oathed but its miniscule enough that you can just RNG it

[jovial sedge]

Their bars were empty

[sharp wing]

Enty just burns till 1 hp during invulnerability

[jovial sedge]

Mine killed enemy with that additional.plane thing

They both launched it on each other

Btw i hate the system not people guys hete are cool anyway wanted to go sleep hour ago

Gn all

[sharp wing]

We are bound to hate system

[lament lichen]

We havent even gotten hiryuu retro yet

[sharp wing]

Well, we haven't even gotten WSkai yet, what to say bout later retroes

[lament lichen]

Cant wait for the salt

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

Just imagine some casual complaing about wskai on defense

[sharp wing]

ohboi

Well, if some ppl cannot kill portlans w/ their BTDs

As my teacher used to say, RTFM

[lament lichen]

Lol btd

Used it once on jp

Never again

[sharp wing]

qeq

🚮

[vague token]

i mean if you dont have heccdiver might as well use btd

not sure how that would happen

[sharp wing]

I mean, where ppl even get the idea of that stuff being good, if even in pve tierlists it marked as trash

Or they just invest 0 in research and complain they can't win

[tulip summit]

I think at that point Id rather use blue helldivers just cause lol

[stark raft]

The guy didnt even know what a VG was

[sharp wing]

I mean, u not gonna +10 BTD and at +6 blue heccdiver probably best alternative to purp heccdiver

[stark raft]

Portland is the least of his problems if he hasn't researched the game

[sharp wing]

well

Ppl urge to complain about something before actually doing anything

[lament lichen]

Thats why i hate when people dont research first

[sharp wing]

Tell me

[lament lichen]

Like unless you just started the game

Theres not really a reason not to see what equips are good unless you dont care for it

[ionic magnet]

thats why hes asking and you guys decided to laugh and be sarcastic on him

should be able to tell when to meme or not

[sharp wing]

Technically he mem us

[lament lichen]

I really dont think people were memeing

I was pretty amazed that he said the btd was the best diver

[sharp wing]

ppl like that just provoke a throw up reaction

[lament lichen]

Besides i only meme kiro for using sara

[stark raft]

He asked a vague question and got a vague answer

[sharp wing]

"Why i can't beat portland"

What kind of question even that

At least show us comp, dock

An answer, like a question

[lament lichen]

Did he even say what he was using

[sharp wing]

nah

aside BTD

nothing

He wanted to rekt Portland real hard

That's all we know

[ionic magnet]

he's the guy who asked for fleet comp advice earlier iirc

[lament lichen]

Thats all i know too lol

[ionic magnet]

and yea he showed his dock and its well.. bad

[lament lichen]

Was it the guy with lots of lvl 90s

[ionic magnet]

obv hes a new player

yea

[lament lichen]

And like 15 botes

[ionic magnet]

fusou arizona lusty backline

[vague token]

he had 90 or so but some people didnt look at the image well

was like 90/120 dock space or w/e

[lament lichen]

Im pretty sure i told him not to pvp this early

[vague token]

i mean, that doesnt help him with "is this the best with what i have" kind of question though

the question wasnt "to pvp or not" but "what can i do with what i have"

xD

[sharp wing]

I'm pretty sure w/ lvl 90 ships should know some basic stuff

I think he looked at tier list 1st time, since started playing

And was amzed why Gold plane not BIS

[finite valve]

what is the bracket look like at low lvl anyway?

why the focus on portland lel

[vague token]

does the tier list explain why gold plane isnt bis?

or do any of them actually?

i dont think they do

[lament lichen]

No

[sharp wing]

If it's not on list

[vague token]

saying helldiver does most dps/damage doesnt actually explain anything

[stark raft]

Isn't the only explanation in the tierlist the long ass one about AA

[vague token]

it took me forever to figure out WHY it was god tier

[sharp wing]

Well, casuals don't need to know more than that

[vague token]

and cn wiki

[lament lichen]

Im pretty sure most people just follow whats on it

[ionic magnet]

anyways hes gone now so

[lament lichen]

And dont question things

[sharp wing]

most of em

[vague token]

o.O

i guess i just come from a different thought process cause i like understanding even if im casual

must be too many strategy games

[sharp wing]

1st 1-2 months of game i actually played like 3sx less, than i learned about game, lol

Basically, like every time

[finite valve]

got lvl 90 ships but 0 knowledge of the game

like he got 0 info on what to use for ship even on pve

[sharp wing]

yeah

[finite valve]

i am surprise he even got them to 90

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

Cuz waifu

[sharp wing]

I mean, waifu and then he wants win pvp

[finite valve]

tbh if he ask me all i am going to say is that you can't do jack shit vs port land

his backline is so so

VG is a fucking mess

just don't do pvp

period

[vague token]

like i said, that doesnt help with the question

also, pretty toxic

gonna need some chill

[sharp wing]

4 resets vs 120 cancer

[finite valve]

that's the truth tho

[ionic magnet]

stella did say smth like that to him

[finite valve]

toxic as it may you can't fix what is already beyond saving

[vague token]

i mean, you can optimize what he has

[finite valve]

is like saying i can drive on the high way using a bicycle

ain't happening

ppl should know when to call it quit

[ionic magnet]

he just doesnt know how cancer ijn is

[finite valve]

not force the matter

[sharp wing]

I mean, toxicity towards such ppl, might actually make them start learing things before asking dumv questions, so don't get toxic reaction again

[vague token]

uh, that isnt how toxicity works

that just makes people quit forever

[sharp wing]

lol

weaklings

[vague token]

even mobas know this

[finite valve]

like the many ppl who did quit?

[sharp wing]

well, moba is 🚮

[vague token]

and those are the most toxic things around

[shell heron]

I wasn't there when he showed what he had, but I think he should have asked on what to level first rather how do I beat portland

[finite valve]

i count about 3 ppl who quit #pvp due to how "elite" #pvper are

LMFAO

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

elitist is different from toxic responses

[sharp wing]

Hey, we are casuals here on Sandy

[ionic magnet]

portland is one thing but he prolly havent met a namaryuu yet

[finite valve]

in the context of his questioning and how you guys are memeing him

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

pretty sure that falled into toxic

just tell him you can't beat current pvp meta

end of story

[sharp wing]

Well, meta

[shell heron]

pretty sure we said meta is the answer in some fashion

[finite valve]

and he answer along the line of i don't have meta ship

so....

just tell him wait for rerun and get meta

his fleet atm can't beat shit period

[tulip summit]

As for myself I told him my reaction was genuine what and asked him where he heard/read that BTD's are BiS for PVE

[sharp wing]

He didn't said about ships he has

[tulip summit]

he answered with a "I don't know"

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[finite valve]

lost cause right there

[sharp wing]

He only could say i don't know

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

And opened tierlist for the 1st time

[tulip summit]

so no I wasnt being toxic. I can be perceived as being toxic I guess. But if thats your answer to a genuine inquiry then I dont know what to tell you really lol

[sharp wing]

and was amazed

[finite valve]

if it was me i would just call the mod on him and let them sort him out

[sharp wing]

Calling mods on yrself

more like

[finite valve]

[obtuse heart]

whats the best fighters to use? Do i use hellcat that can shoot or seafang thats fast

[finite valve]

well not like there anything else to talk here other than #degenral zzz

[sharp wing]

1 reppu for aa bait

[lament lichen]

Hellcat is generally the pve option

Unless you have the pirate one

[sharp wing]

second vf-17

or what u got

[finite valve]

best set up are always 1 reppu 1 vf

[lament lichen]

Actually what planes do you have

[shell heron]

the top 2 fighters is vf-17 and reppu no?

[lament lichen]

Yeh

[finite valve]

if you don't have vf than either hell cat or sea fang work

[sharp wing]

vf isn't hellcat too

[obtuse heart]

i got sll th fighters except pirate

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

then use either

their performance are almost the same

not much diff in the grand side of thing

just use whatever

[sharp wing]

Just 1 reppu and 1 whatever

sea fury works too

[tulip summit]

whats different with the sea fury again?

[sharp wing]

probably actually... best 3rd

[tulip summit]

was it slower reload?

[sharp wing]

bit slower, but higher aa damage and stats

[finite valve]

sea fury is the middle of the road between hell cat and sea fang

[sharp wing]

well, not middle

[lament lichen]

Its really doesnt matter

[finite valve]

close enough i would say

[lament lichen]

Just use what u like

[finite valve]

but whatever tbh

since i use vf and reppu

[lament lichen]

Vf only

[obtuse heart]

seafang flies faster across the screen

[sharp wing]

reppu is yr fast bait

[lament lichen]

You have to consider what comp youre using thou

[finite valve]

for 2 CV or 2 figther it is still best to use vf and reppu either way

unless wasd enty

then use vf alone

if not reppu could work but then useless since enty can invin her planes

[sharp wing]

fury is just very slightly slower fang w/ improved other stats

(and t0 aa guns, but regular bombs)

[finite valve]

not like it matter much when RNG want to smite you under her heel

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

to recap just use whatever gold fighter you got

unless you got 1 reppu and 1 vf

[sharp wing]

In this case, 1 reppu and 1 whatever

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

I'd go for fury probably

[shell heron]

any fighter with bombs. unless the messer is good

[sharp wing]

lel

messers probably even get shot down ez

they have so tiny hp and slow

[shell heron]

I wish they were good, IB boxes don't give me torps but plenty of messers and 380s

[sharp wing]

Still 0 torps after event

hoped for torps during Biscuit

Like, KMS event

[finite valve]

well at least i farmed plenty of banana

[sharp wing]

Ah, no. Messer has average hp, but very low crash damage

[finite valve]

kms rerun i am just going to spam d1 again for quad mag

[sharp wing]

2x less of others

[finite valve]

or was it d2?

[sharp wing]

d2 iirc

how was it called

spee event?

or what

[shell heron]

divergent chessboard?

[finite valve]

yeh

[sharp wing]

sp3 on spee

[finite valve]

i only remember the chessboard

[sharp wing]

and d1 on divergent

I even forgot they were on divergent

[finite valve]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Encircling_Graf_Spee

[sharp wing]

ye sp3 on spee event

[finite valve]

spee drop rate are too ass tbh

i rather farm d1 of kms

also 2 weeks > 1 week

[sharp wing]

theya re ass everywhere

[finite valve]

problem is i am a boob man not an ass man

[sharp wing]

I dun like Sprats

I know u like Desuland-sama's boobies

[finite valve]

meh

now that i got taihou

all other boob are just meh at this point

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

until sirius summer skin comes

[sharp wing]

Zepp

[finite valve]

fuck yostar for not giving her

too OP

[sharp wing]

Zepp was biggest before tiehoe

Or they are about even hmmmmmmm

Just diff shape to it

[finite valve]

until sirius got a boob job

LMFAO

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

The only thing i dun like about Siri is her short haircut

[finite valve]

can't win them all

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

short hair is an asset

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

they added notification for research

didn't notice it

[vague token]

so like is the cat gonna have a ! forever

cause it wont go away

[vague token]

sheffield skin detected

[merry edge]

Am I looking at the chart wrong? I've got 1024 score rn +1 exercise which should put me well over the amount of score for max sandbagging on week 1 thursday night

[elder crane]

Chart assumes you can at most +1 per match
Early season that's not true

It evens out once we near fleet admiral

[merry edge]

Oh ok lol was mainly worried that I somehow missed a full days exercises and read the chart wrong

[midnight heron]

another day another round of bs rng

[vague token]

ultra dead for me too

[jovial sedge]

This wall of ttext

More.like another day looking at that. Broken bs

[jovial sedge]

10 resets to beat that zoo... -_- and thats not even properly lvled and oathed

[coral wren]

You don’ have yuki?

To replace helena

[jovial sedge]

No ive said it multiple times

Only ship ive missed so far

[coral wren]

5 secs of invul vs 15

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

oh i got edelweiss for sub asr

cool

[midnight heron]

my first pull was him/her

lul

[jovial sedge]

Ah well but to fundamentally understand why im so pissed is that you are someone who done much more research, pvp, and spent time doing pvp and yet your first answer(which i actually appriciate since its best possible advice) is dont you got yuki? At that my blood pressure rises and this got two problems of al ... that ijn favorism for me its the biggest problem and 2nd u make something so op and essential limited? Sigh

[empty sinew]

[midnight heron]

alba's story made me question my english

had to look up the dictionary on whether its whale wail or wale

[steep fog]

Time for aurora?

[midnight heron]

play sad violin

[jovial sedge]

Way how thw fck she was sunk in excersise scenario?

[midnight heron]

spoiler for cavalla story

[jovial sedge]

They use live ammo on excersise or what

[midnight heron]

idk

she doesnt die tho

[jovial sedge]

Ugh

[trim horizon]

I'd start using Sheff for that skin, too bad EN won't get it

[lean phoenix]

owo

[vague token]

owo

[lean phoenix]

Well that was, OK

[midnight heron]

no proc match

[empty sinew]

junie with that HUGE damage

[true trellis]

[vague token]

big deeps

[midnight heron]

got sniped early cuz lul shelling rng

[vague token]

even sheffy's buff can't save her =(

[jovial sedge]

Ok 2 mil exp for.nep :/ gdmn

[lean phoenix]

Namagiryuu: Expected victories not even worth mentioning.

[sharp wing]

Oh, I slept on tix again

[lean phoenix]

rip

[midnight heron]

[jovial sedge]

Fcl piece of shit lost this one

[trim horizon]

OttoA

[jovial sedge]

Sraly.fcking zoo cancer

That hiryuu skill.... is so retarded

[trim horizon]

you don't need to state the obvious over and overtho

[lament lichen]

This isnt even retro hiryuu

[sharp wing]

Hey, they are unoathed, you should win by default

[midnight heron]

remove oath bonus

[sharp wing]

Oath for waifu, not for stats

[jovial sedge]

Cant win those shits sad especially when timei speeds up and that shit launches her skill with not empty hp

I dunno maybe reload on enty would help?

[sharp wing]

If u make enty too fast, she can catch last planes out of invulnerability, esp since ryuu often use ryuusseis

[midnight heron]

reload does little

[sharp wing]

That is instant lose

[midnight heron]

esp during sped up time

[sharp wing]

in Enty duels it is actually slower enty often wins

[midnight heron]

only win if u proc

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

during enty meta so many times i was slower and still potentially lost cuz proc bs

[sharp wing]

well, proc RNG is 1 thing

proc timing is another

[jovial sedge]

Well the problem is that unpredoctablr rabbit skill

[sharp wing]

By any chance u lane Enty vs ryuu?

[midnight heron]

its predictable if u kill her first

[jovial sedge]

Ye with cancer its not possible ...

[sharp wing]

U need barragers opposing to Ryuu

[lament lichen]

Washi and sodak dont have the str to do that much

[sharp wing]

lol

[lament lichen]

Unless you reset for sodak

[sharp wing]

ohreally

[lament lichen]

Even then she can miss

[midnight heron]

so if u dont hav pr/event ships ur only choice is wat

/ ?

?

[lament lichen]

Probably reset or fight a different team

[jovial sedge]

-_-

Btw does not resetting makes u loosr points? Sort of

[midnight heron]

also just noticed yuubari retro does dis lmao wtf

just fight someone else lul

[jovial sedge]

Kek thats kinda.first bs... who u fight other zoo?

[midnight heron]

fight someone dats not meta ofc

[sharp wing]

fight foxes

ez exp

[jovial sedge]

And.whos nkt.mets shesh most of people use this zoo

[sharp wing]

not really

[vagrant veldt]

whats zoo?

deck of low cost minions?

[empty sinew]

r/ihadastroke

[midnight heron]

anything dats not namaryuu

or nama + smth

[jovial sedge]

Oppossite thats zoo

[sharp wing]

Well, namagi+ not ryuu is already something u can manage

[jovial sedge]

Ive seen some other fleets but def not namagi and not rabbit

[midnight heron]

still cancer af if rng cucks u esp with namaenty

[sharp wing]

u just barrage enty out of existence

OH, ye, wash timing

[jovial sedge]

I mean srsly that person who uses namagi and somth other must be a very sepcial snowflake

[sharp wing]

why

[midnight heron]

i am

lul

[sharp wing]

ppl do

[jovial sedge]

Thats why u post those screen with rabbit dmg eh?

[sharp wing]

You very delusional if u think even half ppl out there sue namaryuu

[midnight heron]

prob

[jovial sedge]

Dunno my opponets use em

[sharp wing]

even EoS top 100 have like 20

[jovial sedge]

And then there is somwtimes some loli lower or full kms hero

[midnight heron]

if u use not meta vs meta then its normal to get rekt

just dont fight them

[sharp wing]

I mean, it's pvp...

[midnight heron]

unless u like to reset like me and then complain here

[sharp wing]

IT's Meta vs everything

[midnight heron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trim horizon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[empty sinew]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp wing]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight heron]

my cancer isnt max lvl so i get rekt sometimes as well

[jovial sedge]

Its just great how everyone just promote this

[sharp wing]

lol what

[trim horizon]

why even take PvP seriously

[midnight heron]

its basic psychology tho

if something is gud, ppl will tend to use it

whether we promote it or not wont matter

[sharp wing]

I mean, who promotes anything?

[jovial sedge]

Ye well if just it wasnt so rubbed to the face like that

[empty sinew]

wat

[sharp wing]

wtf

[midnight heron]

its natural to get "rubbed in the face" cuz many ppl use it lul

[trim horizon]

[midnight heron]

u will see it as long as ppl use it

as long as meta remains meta

u cant change dat fact

[jovial sedge]

I dunno how other write it but those screenshots everyone is fine with then splash it to your face

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

???

[jovial sedge]

But still its the system so :/

[empty sinew]

dafuq

[midnight heron]

in the first place any screenshot posted here or reddit isnt directed at anyone

[trim horizon]

what does it even mean

[sharp wing]

wtf u talking lol

[midnight heron]

unless specifically stated

[empty sinew]

u mean the damage flex?

who's rubbing that in ur face SPECIFICALLY

lul

[sharp wing]

I post screenshots of wasd and my lvling fleet here

[jovial sedge]

I would not brag about that but thats me :/

[trim horizon]

also this is PvP channel, you're not the only one here

[sharp wing]

I think u takje everything in here close up and personal qeq

I think u need some QE in yr lyfe

[jovial sedge]

Guess so

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

Sigh

[sharp wing]

Elite hunt in build is more cancer, than pvp anyway

[midnight heron]

just and u'll find it easier idk

[sharp wing]

[empty sinew]

elite hunt lul

i still don't have denver

[sharp wing]

[empty sinew]

[sharp wing]

SAME

[midnight heron]

i want my essex betch

[sharp wing]

I got taihoe and 2 ezsex, still hunting temeraire

[midnight heron]

nani

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

done w/ event after 4 days

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

hunting Centaur

[empty sinew]

my essex is 116

[trim horizon]

in non-rate up

[empty sinew]

hope u get ur essex bruh

[sharp wing]

I got Cent on last rate up day w/ 1 10x

[midnight heron]

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

SRs are EZ

[jovial sedge]

Same huh... whole build is pointless so dunno whats so hard on it all u need is ijn and i cant cos when u 10 times reset and still cant pass or you loose cos only possible way to win is very close fight. Which is like flip a coin

[midnight heron]

or u can just pick someone else bro

[trim horizon]

HMS is passable

even now so

[sharp wing]

lol, stop ranting, half ppl here don't even use cancer

[midnight heron]

if u keep fighting someone where u hav extremely low winrates

[sharp wing]

and they have 0 problems

[midnight heron]

u hav to reset a lot to win

numbers game

[trim horizon]

true PvP is not even about the game itself

[sharp wing]

pvp is about sandbag

[midnight heron]

u can just fight someone lower rank or just refresh list

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

[empty sinew]

it's even called exercise in game

[jovial sedge]

U loosr sandbag so

[empty sinew]

[ionic magnet]

my daily ijn rants

[midnight heron]

i use cancer and i still hav problems

[sharp wing]

pleb

[midnight heron]

[trim horizon]

I use KMS

[empty sinew]

[sharp wing]

you kill yrself every time?

[jovial sedge]

Cant kms work?

[midnight heron]

auto lose at start of battle

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

aka when u press battle first thing u see is D rank

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

Wow

[ionic magnet]

noone bothered maxing/testing kms and that tells something

[coral wren]

can't kms work
when fdg comes then maybe

[trim horizon]

im maxing my Bismarck in my dorm

[sharp wing]

I'm making biscuit work hard for Roon

[jovial sedge]

Hmm shesh hope i get to lvl up hms next week... lack those bullins cent kgv stuck :/

[empty sinew]

the only KMS i have maxed is Bisko
the rest are 105-110 ish

[sharp wing]

Do peeveepee for purins

[empty sinew]

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

Dont tell

[empty sinew]

free coob

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

till now i still dont hav enuf merit to mlb all ssr

[sharp wing]

QEQ

[trim horizon]

when the wishing rate up

[sharp wing]

I always catch that at exchange

[midnight heron]

and i even missed ships

[trim horizon]

need that Centaur for HMS meem

[sharp wing]

never

[trim horizon]

even bought the skin

[empty sinew]

[sharp wing]

When we get real Centaur

🐎

[midnight heron]

when we get unicorn gundam

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

ntd mode

[sharp wing]

O-Onii-chan~?

[midnight heron]

now we know wat uni retro gonna be

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

[sharp wing]

Heresy.