pvp

[vague token]

owo

[shell heron]

[elder crane]

For like the first week z36 had lv100 cap at lb0/1/2

[shell heron]

I MLBed mines ASAP to get rid of her dupes

[shy hazel]

same lol

[vague token]

so like

[shy hazel]

pain to keep copies

[vague token]

level cap is manually coded?

[elder crane]

And devs said everyone with overlved z36 kept them when patched

[vague token]

eww

[elder crane]

Yep manually coded

[vague token]

that's some 🍝

[shy hazel]

u technically ca have lb0 lvl 100

that time

what u expect

potato devs spaghetti coding

wooden server

[vague token]

i expected it to literally pull from LB

[elder crane]

Also did you know in code, every lb version of a ship has it's own entry in like everything

[shy hazel]

with dial up connections

[vague token]

yes i heard

[shell heron]

sounds like a meaningless trophy in your dock forever

[elder crane]

Own entry on stats, skills, etc

Which is just hilarious

[vague token]

🍝

that's a lot of table entries

why would you do this to yourself

X_x

[shy hazel]

wonder how many line of codes al has

[elder crane]

And ofc one stat is level cap

[shy hazel]

and how much is redundant

[shell heron]

I hate this game. I ignored a gold roon project this afternoon for a reason.

[elder crane]

And ofc all of this data is in code instead of .dat/.txt

[shell heron]

now I see another

[vague token]

yeah i heard about that too

🍝

[elder crane]

Literally multiple MB script files of pure data

[shy hazel]

what reason

[elder crane]

Which is

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

it makes more sense that they cant really update ships

[elder crane]

Blame that bad code for AL eating RAM

[vague token]

since they're each hard baked

you cant just update their data server side and push it

you'd have to change literally each LB and each data entry

[elder crane]

Pretty sure with minor optimization AL could easily use half the RAM it currently does

[coral wren]

None of this unfortunately will bite devs in the ass since all ppl care about is collecting jpegs

[elder crane]

And also ofc eliminate I'd say at least 2/3 of the lagspikes

[shy hazel]

remember

our last optimization

[elder crane]

Also iirc one of Hood's % to activate barrage is still bugged
At a specific skill level, instead of ~55%(I forget exact number, <60% though) she has 10% more chance to activate
Which is a possible bug because each barrage skill level is a separate skill entry

[shy hazel]

made the game eat more ram

amagi barrage is still broken

[shell heron]

not the good kind of broken either. I remember it being laser accurate day 1

[coral wren]

perhaps there are some hidden op ships out there, waiting for someone to discover them 🤔

[elder crane]

Also explains Belfast's skill bug
Before I saw code I thought it was overflow error
Now I know it's cause the devs copy+pasted the lv1 version of bel's skill 9 times and manually updated values
Then forgot to update the slv10 version

[vague token]

still feel like defense amagi pattern is better but im biased

[elder crane]

I will always prefer focus fire

[vague token]

amagi's aimed part doesnt have a target weight right?

it's full 1/6?

[coral wren]

Btw, you are still a beta tester, right? Do you report such things and are they fixing it asap?

[stark raft]

why tf yostar mahjong take 6 hour maint

[elder crane]

You'll have to ask the guy who looked at skills
I didn't go into depth on that part

[vague token]

where's cyaneko

xD

[stark raft]

prolly tasting freedom

[vague token]

someone give him like a Miner role

jk

[elder crane]

I didn't get into the current testing role

[stark raft]

after baguette gun farm

[vague token]

i mean he got JB to 120 in what

[elder crane]

Was afk the day the registration opened

[vague token]

less than 2 days?

xD

or w/e

i forget

[elder crane]

And then it was full when I came back

Which tbf idc much about it
From what I can tell devs mostly ignore testers anyways cause they're already swamped

[vague token]

oof

[coral wren]

wew

[elder crane]

Only sad (?) part is I don't get to experience the lastest, newest, super-buggy app version

[finite valve]

not like the release version is not going to be the same super buggy app version anyway

[coral wren]

Is there a waifu gacha with not a complete garbage devs

[finite valve]

well if you want bad rate

[elder crane]

AL devs are just slightly garbo devs, but at least they're good ppl

[vague token]

at least AL devs arent ripping me off

[elder crane]

Which is much more than can be said of many others

[vague token]

i can question their design

but not their intent/purpose

or ULTRA power creep in FEH

i follow FE artists on the twitter and some show screenshots of new unit skills

and im like

[coral wren]

true. imagine ssr ships having 1% drop rate.

[vague token]

o.O

[shy hazel]

im also beta teater

[stark raft]

for some, 1% drop rate is real

[shy hazel]

they removed out private channel

[elder crane]

Imagine every construction pull costing gems

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

also don't feh got the sacrifice unit for skill?

not really a fan of that concept

[elder crane]

#PaD anyone?

[shy hazel]

im a fan of gbfs enmity skill

the lower ur hp the higher ur dmg

imagine hiryuu having that

[elder crane]

Hmm for dmg-health thresholders,
There's WaSD
There's Monarch
And there's FdG
That's about it for AL, and all 3 are pretty minor effects...(relative to other games)

[shy hazel]

gbf has retarded ssr

turns your whole team to 1hp

3 turns invulberability

so u deal cap dmg 440k for 3 turns

[vague token]

unit skill transfer is neat but at the same time you just put it on the best stats

so

but there's also slot limitations in FEH

[elder crane]

#PaD

[finite valve]

imagine the best skill in the game is on a SSR

[elder crane]

So much cheese in that game

[finite valve]

good time lel

[vague token]

and some weapons/skills are unique

[sharp wing]

weapon grid games are different...

[shy hazel]

gbf is still pure

only has ssr aa highest

rarity

[sharp wing]

well, like 90% of games i played

[finite valve]

well we going to have sinoalice as a contender for weapon grid game

doubt they can win tho

[sharp wing]

sinoalice is meh

[finite valve]

don't have much of a fan base

[sharp wing]

garbo battle system

[shy hazel]

the grindiest wep grid is still gbf for me

6 grids for 6 elements

[sharp wing]

gbf is grindiest of all

well, it's same for similar games

[shy hazel]

then all your grids gets powercreeped

have to refarm all

zulul

[sharp wing]

then you also have summons/pets grids

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

also element based

so each element needs 2 element grids...

[finite valve]

not to mention guild war

fuck all that noise tbh

[sharp wing]

that's general concept of elemental grid game

[shy hazel]

each gw has its own element

[finite valve]

problem is how much you need to farm

[shy hazel]

so u really need to be good in all elements

[sharp wing]

then you can have 5 same units of different element...

[finite valve]

gbf is just insane lvl of farm

[sharp wing]

you can casual gbf

no1 forces you

[shy hazel]

and be a loser

[finite valve]

you can casual in any game

[sharp wing]

lol

[finite valve]

wdym lel

[sharp wing]

no

and how you lose that game?

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

are you playing for fun and satisfaction or stress of endless farm which is yr second work?

or main work for some

[shy hazel]

you dont understand

[sharp wing]

lol

[shy hazel]

the satisfactiob

[finite valve]

being the top dog is "fun" for some ppl

strange right?

[shy hazel]

of winnIng a real war in a game

of points

[sharp wing]

I know it, cause i did that

But it doesn't give that much

[finite valve]

just cus your definition of fun is not the same as other ppl

[sharp wing]

to want it more

[finite valve]

does not mean they your you are correct

[coral wren]

gacha was a mistake. blame pokemons for that

[sharp wing]

It's fun for some time...

[finite valve]

what fun to you might not be fun for someone else

is all subjective

[sharp wing]

keeping top for half a year get's way not that fun

[finite valve]

for you maybe

[sharp wing]

jsut a job

[finite valve]

and how does that affect you now?

is their game

their experience

[sharp wing]

when game becomes job it loses fun

[finite valve]

if they want to treat it as a job fine by me

[shy hazel]

im a top ranker in gbf for 2 years what

[finite valve]

i ain't going to lose sleep over it

[shy hazel]

and if i can ill aim for it again

cos its fun

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

yep

[shy hazel]

you neee cooperation with 30 people to achieve things

[finite valve]

just cus you don't see the fun in it does not mean other ppl also will not

[shy hazel]

and u cry together when u lose

[finite valve]

is all subjective

[shy hazel]

when we lost once

3 ppl broke down

its all fun times

[finite valve]

is all fun and game until someone take it into RL or personal

[shy hazel]

you really feel the

angst in gbf

[sharp wing]

more in pvp games...

[finite valve]

most "cool" story are mostly in pvp game lel

[shy hazel]

al not rly that much

[stark raft]

why even play when u cant drink their tears

[shy hazel]

im like

[finite valve]

that where most stake are high

[sharp wing]

raid vs raid pvp in mmos can have shitton of drama and breakdowns, lol

[shy hazel]

getting top 10 is the minimum in al

lol

[finite valve]

i am not competitive by nature so i am just like whatever most of the time lel

[coral wren]

al raid pvp. guilds are recruiting only ppl who have namagi, no hms allowed

[shy hazel]

u mean

[finite valve]

hey ws is hms

[sharp wing]

you only wskai

[shy hazel]

top 30 only in pvp or kick

[finite valve]

if you ban hms do so with ws too

[shy hazel]

[stark raft]

Fuck i could see dumb shit right now

[vague token]

i mean

[stark raft]

15k vanguard only or kick

[vague token]

banning hms doesnt mean individual ships

just a fleet comp

[shy hazel]

im gon make a guild

[coral wren]

by banning hms i meant ppl who use hms backline will not be allowed to join

[shy hazel]

all ppl who use saratoga gets kicked and stoned in public

[vague token]

im being bullied again

[sharp wing]

Sara being lewded in public

[coral wren]

ijn goes full nazi mode. Only ijn comp, only hardcore pvpers

[finite valve]

just out right say only allow to use "insert ships name" for pvp or kick

[stark raft]

anyone who uses sara gets PARTY SHIYO 10 hours bass boosted

[finite valve]

i think it is better to make a guild req you to be in top 30 fleet power ranking

[sharp wing]

lol

[finite valve]

that's a harder req than top 30 pvp

[shy hazel]

no one will join

[sharp wing]

half ppl there don't even pvp

or most of em

pure pve pps

[finite valve]

point is to make a hard guild

[coral wren]

that would be fun tho, depending on rewards for winners. Imagine ratting out some top guilds, by joining them and sabotaging them by using hms and losing games so your true guild could get higher score

[shy hazel]

it happens on some games

[sharp wing]

that's what happens in gmaes

[shy hazel]

raid sabotage

[coral wren]

ye, i know

[sharp wing]

in some games we had real problem with that

[finite valve]

most of that problem can be fix by making said member unable to collect reward

[sharp wing]

sadly devs prevent that

[coral wren]

But that shit would be just hilarious, and aftermath drama

[finite valve]

since most of them got a function that said after X days if leave guild = can't collect reward

[sharp wing]

That is indeed a lot of drama

[finite valve]

all in the past

nowaday not so much

[sharp wing]

games with event scores involving guild scores are always like that

esp if you get currency rewards

[finite valve]

since ppl abuse those tactic in the past

[vague token]

or... they could balance boats

xD

[sharp wing]

and mousebots win rankings anyway

non stop grind

[vague token]

just throw in another huge table in the code for each ship with a % damage taken/dealt modifier

;)

[sharp wing]

how to increase loadtimes 101

[vague token]

i mean it's only 12 lookups max

[finite valve]

[vague token]

1 for each ship

_>

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

for bad ships like tennessee, you'd add like 25% damage boost and 25% less taken or w/e

for gud ships like nagato, -25% damage dealt

[sharp wing]

define bad

[vague token]

pvp bad

it's for guild wars so you want to bring ships to a middle ground

[shy hazel]

whats bad is saratoga

[sharp wing]

now you would need to compare other same rarity ships in same class

[vague token]

well yeah

[finite valve]

pretty sure even in any competitive setting no one in their right want want to use "middle ground" instead of best

[vague token]

they'd do it ship by ship lol

no you balance all ships TO middle ground

not use middle ground ships

curb Strong Ships

buff Weak Ships

[finite valve]

and even then they still going to use already said meta ship due to their skill

[sharp wing]

thats...

[vague token]

almost like moba balance or something

[finite valve]

most of what we have atm are just straight up better skill

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

not mentioning barrage

nagato and amagi both got buff debuff

hiryuu is more of a flex

YKK and jesus is there due to skill

so unless you change their skill set

same thing going to happen whether they both equal in stat or not

[vague token]

you dont have to

[sharp wing]

Just each ships needs retro

[vague token]

ships with stronger skills

get the nerf

ykk +damage taken to counteract her skill basically

compared to fortune

to normalize

[stark raft]

Just turn pvp into battleships boardgame

[sharp wing]

this is not how Gacha work, lol

[vague token]

of course not

but i thought we were talking theoretical balanced guild wars

[sharp wing]

You want to eliminate gacha

[vague token]

;)

[finite valve]

i think this level of work that goes into a gacha game would work more in a moba game

[sharp wing]

comparing moba to gacha is 200 iq

[finite valve]

isn't it what he is trying to say tho?

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

there's no reason to make a guild wars if there isnt gonna be a balance patch

cause it's just gonna be pvp

[sharp wing]

cause it is?

[finite valve]

so same as e7 or gbf then?

i don't see them balance "all" champ to be =

[sharp wing]

it is Gacha

so

[finite valve]

if you really want to talk about "balance"

[sharp wing]

the 2+ years old gachas only live due to powercreep

[finite valve]

do so in pvp focus game like gbf or e7

[sharp wing]

not due to balance, lol

[finite valve]

al is not a pvp focus game

peroid

[sharp wing]

If you get perfectly balanced gacha it will just die

[vague token]

well yeah we know it isnt

lel ws kai

[finite valve]

a "perfectly balance" game does not exist anywhere

[sharp wing]

well, devs didn't make with pvp in mind

well, just balanced

[finite valve]

you take what you can get

[sharp wing]

ppl open their wallets in those low rate games only for powercreep, not to get more balanced units too

[vague token]

no game has perfect balance

the goal is to move towards it, and struggle to reach it xD

[sharp wing]

that's how the game survives over long term

[vague token]

such is the curse

[sharp wing]

it's never the goal for devs

[finite valve]

power creep must exist in any game since if power creep does not exist what's the point in getting new unit?

only question is how hard it is

[sharp wing]

the goal is to make project remain profitable

and afloat

[finite valve]

hence why power creep exist in the first place

[sharp wing]

yes

[finite valve]

to make money for new shiny

[sharp wing]

that's what i'm talking

if you make all balanced game will end

inevitable servers closing

[finite valve]

only way is to make / add new skill to old unit to make them viable

[sharp wing]

which happens sometimes

[finite valve]

same strategy as what lol is doing

[sharp wing]

couldn't care less for any moba

[vague token]

xD

the point of new units is theming and style

[sharp wing]

lol

and you just fund devs for that

[vague token]

people pay riot money

a LOT of people

[sharp wing]

riot is?

and stop comparing gacha to fcking mobas

[vague token]

i mean, i thought we were talking about competitive stuff

[finite valve]

i was talking about the concept that riot take that could be implement into al

[sharp wing]

That get's implemented with Retros

But many things never get retro due to artists

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

also retro doesn't bring income for devs

new units do

moba has different story

completely different

[finite valve]

just release more lewd skin on boing boing ship = more income

[sharp wing]

many games out there don't even haev skins

[ionic magnet]

lets just accept that AL was never meant to be competitive

[sharp wing]

esp the ones like gbf

[finite valve]

and yet here we are in #pvp

[vague token]

i mean we know that lol

[sharp wing]

no1 denies that

[finite valve]

gbf money comes from pull tho ain't it?

they got like 3% SSR if i remember correctly

[ionic magnet]

we are here in #pvp to meme wdym

[sharp wing]

cause no lewd skins

gbf has many f2p systems

few games out there hand as much free stuff

and also guaranteed pulls

If you really want some unit, you will get it

[shy hazel]

if u dont do gem rolls for five months

[finite valve]

that is if you can stomach the grind

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

that is really want

that is how you save in those kinda game anyway

[shy hazel]

u can get any char

[sharp wing]

save 1+ month, then pull

[shy hazel]

gbf only has very few true limited chars anyways

[sharp wing]

well, that's gbf

other games like that has one time limited even

[cerulean estuary]

stella did u miss some attacks?

[shy hazel]

in the end the weapon grid and jutenshu is more important

nope

im simply

just not moving

[vague token]

[finite valve]

gbf be like "here are all the char that you will ever need in your life but you need to grind them to hell and back to be useable in any competitive setting or at least good enough to solo raid boss"

[sharp wing]

In those games yes, if you have good weap and summon/whatever grid for that element you can do fine with low rarity units

better, than with op units but bad grid even

[shy hazel]

u can grind the very best units in gbf anyways

so wtv

[sharp wing]

so it's just vet advantage

[ionic magnet]

does gbf have oil/stamina system

[sharp wing]

oil to lube waifus

[shy hazel]

gbf has fake stamine system

[finite valve]

stamina

[cerulean estuary]

stella give me some +1

[shy hazel]

u can grind for the stamina too

[sharp wing]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

what

[shy hazel]

u wait for 30mins and i move

[ionic magnet]

must be nice

[sharp wing]

in those games you can grind stamina potions usually

[cerulean estuary]

alrighty mate

[shy hazel]

your first true weaon grid will still take u

two months average

to build

[sharp wing]

that fast?

[shy hazel]

even with unlimited stamina

lol

[sharp wing]

wow

i thought gbf was more hardcore

[shy hazel]

is what u think

[sharp wing]

in some other games it takes over a year, cause good weapons are event limited

[shy hazel]

u still got 6 grids to make

[sharp wing]

each grid over a year

[shy hazel]

jutenshuu takes u 3 months to make

[sharp wing]

all elements grid usually 2 years least

[shy hazel]

and theres 10 of them

now theres arcana summons too

[ionic magnet]

2 yrs

[shy hazel]

which is hardlocked

[vague token]

o.O

[sharp wing]

But yeah, gbf gives a lot free stuff

so i guess it's not as bad

[shy hazel]

every 2 months

youve never tried it so u think its easy zulul

[sharp wing]

Like not waiting a year for rerun of event to complete yr element grid

[finite valve]

if you can stomach the grind then you can "play" gbf

[ionic magnet]

who grinds for 2 yrs lol

[sharp wing]

i actually played gbf

[shy hazel]

2 months per grid is alrdy for experienced people

[ionic magnet]

thats real dedication right there

[sharp wing]

i mean 2 month for grid is nothing compared to some other games

[shy hazel]

goodluck getting your ultimate bahamut weapon

in 6 months

[ionic magnet]

2 months is pretty normal for an end game thingy

[sharp wing]

it's not just end game, it's like a thing for everything

grid is essential

it's core

[ionic magnet]

yea not that bad then for 2 months only

[shy hazel]

if u dont know

gbf has two kinds

of grids

[sharp wing]

yeah, as i said, in some games you farm grids for over year, due to good weaps being event only and events rerun once a year

[shy hazel]

magna and and primal

magna av is 2 months

[sharp wing]

lol

yeah

[shy hazel]

u can pribably f2p primal grid

[finite valve]

isn't just mean it took longer for ppl to farm full set of primal tho?

[sharp wing]

if gacha has units unlocked by obtaining release weapon

[ionic magnet]

compare that to other games that you can only make 1 copy of an item every 2 months in the whole server

[shy hazel]

after a year

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

zulul

[sharp wing]

summon weapons can be op

[finite valve]

if you are dedicate to a game

[sharp wing]

but then strengthening summon weapon will take months

[finite valve]

1 year of f2p is not really much

[sharp wing]

it's nothing for those kind of games

[shy hazel]

for every grid in gbf

u just farm

36 weapons

for f2p grids

[sharp wing]

it has 36 slots? Or that is to limit break weapons as well?

[finite valve]

if the grind was not bad i might play gbf with all their freebie

[shy hazel]

the ultima wep and event only weps not included

[sharp wing]

well, you don't really have to grind all out, you can be more casual

[shy hazel]

6 magna 1 ultima 2 xeno 1 mainwep

ofc u farm for all limit breaks

u farm average of 50 weps for every grid

0.5 drop rate

[sharp wing]

sounds legit

usually there best grid would be MLB summon weapons tho

that's totally 🐳 territory

[shy hazel]

u get summons while u play

u can use magna free summons too

gbf is a decent game

lol

[sharp wing]

yeah

I mean there much more p2w games

[shy hazel]

u cant make primal grid without getting primal summon tho

[sharp wing]

where to get mlb summon weapon as f2p is basically impossible in 2 years

not talking about full summon grid, lmao

that's Ks of $

[shy hazel]

i spent grands,on,gbf tho

[sharp wing]

Well, i knew ppl there who spent few dozens Ks too...

[shy hazel]

i was living in jp that time

900 usd per whaling session

[sharp wing]

lmao

with our $ rate of 1:30 i can't really whale much for USD based games

[shy hazel]

dont worry

there are much bigger whales

[sharp wing]

well, ofc

as i said

[shy hazel]

a japanese person spend

15 million

trying to get a unit

[sharp wing]

I heard

[shell heron]

[shy hazel]

yen

[sharp wing]

Wasm that that case

when they had to apologize

[shy hazel]

oh nvm

onlyc6m yen

[sharp wing]

lol

i mean, if you don't have family to maintain and stuff, sure, no1 is holding you

[shy hazel]

god bless him

because of that

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

there was a big fuss in jp gacha market?

[shy hazel]

gbf initiated a 30 roll and u get assured

unit

system

[sharp wing]

yeah that's nice system

[ionic magnet]

rigged rates

[shy hazel]

5m is small tho

fgo had 20m yen user

who was in the news

[finite valve]

and they done shit to improve their system

must be good to be so popular that your fan base don't care that you are stealing from their wallet

[shy hazel]

meanwhile devs in al dont want safety net system

well al isnt that pricey

[sharp wing]

al is already too generous

wdym

[finite valve]

compare to all of the gacha game in the market

[sharp wing]

Al is like most f2p game

[finite valve]

most generous in the market

[ionic magnet]

prolly the most generous out there

[sharp wing]

AL and then GFL prolly

[finite valve]

dk about gfl tho

rate is abit low

[ionic magnet]

well i hate gfl gacha skins so w/e

[shy hazel]

gfl probably

[sharp wing]

GFL was like best f2p before AL

released

[shy hazel]

al still has dumb limited system

[finite valve]

well yeh

[sharp wing]

It's usual system wdym

[ionic magnet]

gfl has all waifus in perma pool tho so thats really nice

[sharp wing]

You girt used to gbf not having much of limited units

[shy hazel]

gfl doesnt have it

[ionic magnet]

except event ones ofc

[shell heron]

though cubes earned here can be pretty consistent. with the only thing bottlenecking you is gold really

[sharp wing]

well, events are limiteds so

[finite valve]

i hate the event exclusive reward ranking tho

top 100 of each event got exclusive gear

[shy hazel]

gbf limited system was nerfed

[finite valve]

rest got shit

[shy hazel]

when got new producer

[finite valve]

not to mention gacha skin

[shy hazel]

ppl are meant to enjoy getting everything he say

[ionic magnet]

well atleast gfl has more viable units so not that big of a deal to me

[shy hazel]

godbless lord kmr

[coral wren]

that's a good producer

[sharp wing]

Well, gfl still has event units

so i don't see difference

[finite valve]

i think the diff is in the sotry

[ionic magnet]

difference in what

[finite valve]

gfl actually has a good story at least

[shy hazel]

guns or t dolls wtv

still has equivalent in perma

[ionic magnet]

well it has a story atleast

[shy hazel]

in al

if u dont get nagato

then no nagato

[ionic magnet]

yea

for a year

[shy hazel]

not even a discount version of nagato

[sharp wing]

well, gacha has same limited units

[ionic magnet]

omegalul

[shy hazel]

zulul

[sharp wing]

the question of equivalent is other matter

[finite valve]

gl finding another equivalent to amagi

1 of a kind

[coral wren]

good, hms needs more slaves for it's crypto colony

[sharp wing]

HMS will rise

[finite valve]

wonder how much of a power creep yamato going to be

[sharp wing]

I bet it will be same let down as biscuit

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

cause it will be overhyped

[coral wren]

i hope it will be a let down

[shy hazel]

u kbo

[ionic magnet]

if you miss nagato/amagi then you'll be a pleb for a year

[sharp wing]

If yamato loli, i quit...

[shy hazel]

like hooloo

missed nagto

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

now forced to build hms

[sharp wing]

My friend whaled 3k gems for Nyaga

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

didn't get

[shy hazel]

i just spent 4k gems last event

nothing strange

[coral wren]

thanos meme implied

[sharp wing]

well, for ppl who barely buy gems

[ionic magnet]

my gems are for skins only

and rings

[sharp wing]

I'm out of gems atm...

[shy hazel]

@cerulean estuary

ill just destroy blue

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

then u get your points

i get 0 points again tjis round

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

dont reset

[sharp wing]

I slept 2 resets this season, feels good

Like a vacation

[vague token]

vacations are good

[sharp wing]

I might make a habit out of it

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

till they give us actual pvp rewards

not like i need merits either...

[finite valve]

just wait till either co-op or guild war

[sharp wing]

No guild wars

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

at best pve guild wars

[shy hazel]

blue still using torp memes

[finite valve]

that's called raid boss or co-op tho ain't it?

[ionic magnet]

killing a raid boss or smth maybe

[sharp wing]

well, there pve castle sieges

[shy hazel]

its,called

world boss

lol

[sharp wing]

well, world boss and raid boss usually different

[finite valve]

world boss is something you do in a open world

[sharp wing]

By that world boss is accessibel to every1 and raid boss instanced

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

raid is something you do in a "room" (most call it dungeon)

so yes raid boss is the correct term

[shy hazel]

youll see it coming

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

Need to find a guild prolly...

[shy hazel]

if it will,happen ever

see u in #gvg

[sharp wing]

lmao

[finite valve]

at worst can just join a random guild that said "competitive raid boss hunting guild 1 day inactive = kick"

[sharp wing]

Well, you know Sandy has only few really active guilds

And they are more of casual

How does non casual Al guild even work xD

[finite valve]

go ask devs to either merge or change server

[shy hazel]

ill start a new,guild by then

gotta thonk what name

alotryhards maybe

SandbagAlliance

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

Whale division

Entry fee 500 gems

Now we need trading systme

[finite valve]

just paypal $5 lel

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

just trade with a jp player

[vague token]

gift system when

like daily gift

[shy hazel]

there were guilds,in gbf

that did that

lol

[sharp wing]

I bet

There such guild everywhere

[shy hazel]

20 usd per carry

[sharp wing]

More than that, if you won't check all the boxes they will boot you
which they will do anyways in 90% cases

just cash grab

[finite valve]

you can just SS that to forum = no one going to use their service

been there done that

[sharp wing]

implying all of those plebs read forums

[shy hazel]

fair trade for me

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

idiots then lel

[shy hazel]

i hate carrying weak people

[sharp wing]

yeah...

It get's annoyng

[shy hazel]

and i never ask ppl to carry me

[sharp wing]

I stay away from "schoolbusses"

[finite valve]

not if you are doing it for $

if you doing for free yeh

[sharp wing]

even for $

can't be that annoyed

[finite valve]

then don't do it in the first place

[sharp wing]

carrying noobs in raid with some positioning mechanics god no

for fcks sake

5 wipes 2 hrs wasted

[finite valve]

tbh when you are carrying a person 100% of the time you are expecting them to die either way

[sharp wing]

well, yes. But in those raids 1 person die = wipe

due to mechanics

debuff swapping

[shy hazel]

typically u either let them stay in entrance

[sharp wing]

There a lot of different mechanics...

[shy hazel]

or let them die

then revive when boss is dying

lol

[finite valve]

you can just let them die at the door right?

[shy hazel]

depends on thecgame

[sharp wing]

gladly most of the time they don't even need to be alive at boss

[finite valve]

since i doubt 1 person die = raid can't finish

[sharp wing]

And usually when they pay, they want to actually "play" it too...

[finite valve]

then add another req that they actually research / watch video of the raid

[sharp wing]

Tho that's more like an some crazy excursion

[finite valve]

if not just boot them

[sharp wing]

But yeah, if they just pay for loot

that's ez

in most cases...

cause at some point you can almost solo some bosses

[finite valve]

most of the time is just for achievement tho

since loot is random

[sharp wing]

including skipping hp triggger machanics

well, you get paid after they get what they want, that's the catch

achive runs more reliable

but that's 1 in a while

[finite valve]

so you run 10 raids to get this 1 specific item that they want to even get paid?

[sharp wing]

not some daily basis income

[finite valve]

now that's hardcore

[sharp wing]

well, it's not raids usually, just some hardcore party dungeon

Raids payoffs is more complicated too

[finite valve]

still hardcore regardless

since if that the case the drop going to be fucking rare either way

[sharp wing]

some of those dungeons you can just solo-duo

so pay off more worth

[finite valve]

yeh

[sharp wing]

Unless you can solo raids xD

[vale juniper]

https://youtu.be/MNd560kX7_I

[sharp wing]

or at least like 3 men

[finite valve]

unless you are over level

[vague token]

audio seems a little

off

[finite valve]

pretty hard to do

[sharp wing]

well, yeah

but there no point ppl would be paying for some low lvl raids

[finite valve]

the only game i saw that can do raid with less than 1 full party is dragon nest

and that was a long time ago

dk about the newer raid tho

[sharp wing]

good ol' times of dragon nest xD

Well, In tera i could solo lower lvl raids

[finite valve]

they was doing it in equal lvl raid at that time tho

[sharp wing]

but no1 would pay shit for that, lmao

I don't even remember raid in dragon nest by now

[shy hazel]

im bored

[sharp wing]

there so many games

[shy hazel]

entertain me

[sharp wing]

I bet

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

you at work? xD

[finite valve]

go sleep if you bored

[sharp wing]

go to #al-general

[shy hazel]

i wont touch that,vid

im,at,work

im at,data

[vague token]

oh boi

[finite valve]

[vague token]

lurk in gameplay help jk

[sharp wing]

xD

[shy hazel]

general is for losers

[buoyant parrot]

would appreciate this group if everyone started moving now

[vague token]

owo

[sharp wing]

I forgot to turn subs autosummon

[shy hazel]

i moved once alrdy

[sharp wing]

off

[shy hazel]

for sumire

[sharp wing]

Move naw

Or i will sleep on your reset

[finite valve]

bunch of dege you lot are lel

[sharp wing]

Well, like any1 who pvp in AL

[vague token]

we all dege here

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Uni will still love onii-chan

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

How is every1 doing?

I think RNG wasn't bad to me with only 46 of those

[shy hazel]

nice grbage

[lean phoenix]

Shrapnel!

Christ

Enemy nagato procced like 6x now

Mine only 1x

This is rigged

Great, now my frontline completely misses the backline cuz they pushed too far

[sharp wing]

Sanshikidan in action
https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-08-2015/GTUrLm.gif

[lean phoenix]

F I N A L L Y

[sharp wing]

[lean phoenix]

Only took 8 resets

[sharp wing]

lmao

are you underlvled

[lean phoenix]

Yeah hes got 120 namagi and 115 hiryu

Ive got 118 nagato 117 akagi 115 kaga

[sharp wing]

well, with offense bonus should be fine

[lean phoenix]

Yeah i mean it only took 8 resets, it is fine

[sharp wing]

[lean phoenix]

He was rank 7 so i didnt want to give up on him

Too juicy to miss

[sharp wing]

Didn't think Nakaga had that low winrate

[lean phoenix]

Id probably need a full 120 fleet to sail by the namaryuu comps

These comps are the only ones to actually make me reset a lot

[sharp wing]

making you reset is already a problem itself

[lean phoenix]

At least I got 13 out of that

Pts i mean

[sharp wing]

[lean phoenix]

Basically I need hiryu invul to trigger early

So she can be killed by 2nd airstrike if not 3rd

Or killed by nagato 3rd salvo

Which is what happened there

Must destroy his frontline by the 1st airstrike and dump my magtorps into the correct rear targets

[sharp wing]

You are running siri/Jun/nanoda there?

[lean phoenix]

@sharp wing nanoda/aurora/siri

Too late to run jun, shes underlevelled

[sharp wing]

well, you can lvl her in dorm and map in few days

She might really make you not reset

[lean phoenix]

Ive always had this thinking where a staller unit isnt beneficial on a comp that wants to rush or die

[sharp wing]

Until namayuu happened

[lean phoenix]

Would a lv100 jun even work tho

[sharp wing]

too fast to die

[lean phoenix]

Against lv110+

Ye

[sharp wing]

I use Junie tank, but she's maxed

only not 200 aff

4.5k hp

[lean phoenix]

My def fleet is the same thing

Which is probably very easy to beat

[sharp wing]

Well, Aka on def was never problem

[lean phoenix]

Though honestly yeah, that

[sharp wing]

like any glasscannon comp

cause attacker gets -damage

so yr glass comp is easy prey

[lean phoenix]

And getting beat doesnt reduce my score anyway

[sharp wing]

yeah, not pvp game

[lean phoenix]

Its more like a who can gain the most points in 14 days using sandbag tactics and not losing

[sharp wing]

and not sleeping*

[lean phoenix]

[sharp wing]

Well, for Eu timezones and others at least

[lean phoenix]

I sleep thru two resets smh

[sharp wing]

For NA timezones it's fine

[lean phoenix]

I mean i could stay up until 3am for one reset

But id have to rush it anyway so no dfferenc

[sharp wing]

ye

The problem is if i want to go sleep early, i can't even do 10/10>5/10 without +9s

[lean phoenix]

Rip

I dont remember getting a +9 yet

But I had 4 defeats already

So im off the hook

[sharp wing]

Well, if you play EoS you will

[lean phoenix]

End of season?

[sharp wing]

Many ppl just rush +9s after last season reset and bail out

ye

Better to get +9s than miss tickets

anyway

and get some sleep xD

[lean phoenix]

Lol

[sharp wing]

[lean phoenix]

My timezone makes it so that I have 12 hours to spend 10 runs

But that also means less people are gonna be pushing durig these hours

So its a gamble

[coral wren]

Fucking job, missed one attempt, lmao

[sharp wing]

Quit job, ez

[coral wren]

Gotta grind $ irl as well

[shy hazel]

humans only sleep,for 8 hours average

[coral wren]

grind is everywhere

[cerulean estuary]

stella thanks for the +1 point previously

[shy hazel]

wht is so bad about 12 hours

[cerulean estuary]

i think novae and kamita will battle for top 1 this rankings

[shy hazel]

im happy as long as im t10

[cerulean estuary]

same here , top 1 just like i said last time is a punch to the moon for me

but im also happy i had a chance to get top 2 one time

me and vysaga ( heavy sandbaggers slept to much hehe )

[shy hazel]

my highest ranj is top3 only i think

no,wait

i was top 2 once

[sharp wing]

Then some glorious 30 sec pushes

[shy hazel]

2603

was ny highest score

fam was 2606' that time

ever since dst 2 happened

2606 never happens anymore

lots of pvpers quit

[coral wren]

@stark raft i see you

That pedo fleet tho...

[lean phoenix]

how far does the enemy have to be above me for a +10 gain or more

[sharp wing]

u get +10 for at least 1 rank above

unless you mean like 20+ points

it's 35 points diff for each +1 bonus, so that would require some1 on yr list to be 350+ points ahead, which is like really hard to happen

lol

unless you skip some resets

to get 1k diff you have to no pvp for few days anyway

[midnight heron]

lul u gotta not pvp for like a week or more to even get 1k diff

just for 30 bonus points

[stark raft]

@coral wren i already slept on 4 ticks

[shy hazel]

[stark raft]

they said they're fixing her?

[coral wren]

Pls no

Don’t hurt her.

Em, izumo has that same bug?

[stark raft]

[coral wren]

Just make it +2 not 1

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

Lel, i was hoping they will buff izumo

Or do smth with her

[shy hazel]

they just fix the description and remove extra codes that were found

they wont buff the ships

[coral wren]

But i guess manju is a small indie company

That’s fucked up, lets not fix the issue but make an impression it was working as intended, we didn’t shit the bed

[shy hazel]

they alrdy did that alot of times

why not now

its not a bug, it works as intended

[coral wren]

Truly good people, huh

[lean phoenix]

@sharp wing do you mean 1 point above or 1 rank above?

i thought rank didnt matter and it was about the seasonal score of the opponent vs yours

[empty sinew]

[lean phoenix]

dammit

took a 5th defeat

[ionic magnet]

yes its all about seasonal score but ranks are your only way to estimate your opponents' score outside of top 100

[midnight heron]

too hard to get 35 point diff o.o

not gonna wait anymore

[shy hazel]

i dont really suggest aiming for top 1k even

if u dont have a reasonable fleet

[cerulean estuary]

inserts "boys locker room meme"

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

@lean phoenix To simply get regular 10 u need a person no lower, than yr rank, actual score doesn't matter. Obviously any1 with even 1 rank above you won't have lower score too. If you fight any1 even 1 rank below you you will get +9 maximum

[cerulean estuary]

try to find it on youtube for motivational purposes

[lean phoenix]

ahh i seee

so as long as the guy is above me its a +10

okay

[sharp wing]

yes

[lean phoenix]

when does it become 11, 12, 13 etc