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it's really weird that all the ijn sword users dont do anime sword stuff
even if it's just for show
pimp cane lmao
hms has sword users too
dork and sirius have swords
dork could have gotten like a life steal melee attack for using on jihads jk
that would be op
(cause she's a vampire)
although it's really weird that out of the two vampires we have only 1 has lifesteal
that's a pretty bad ratio
;)
make dork lifesteal with her barrage
lol
Monarch has the red one
Neptune L2D of her finally feeding you the delicious cake she's baked.


hmm some of these weaker fleets having trouble killing juneau at the right time lol
trying to get biscuit some xp
rip died
was playing super nep
think i got torp memed

i guess in the end it's fine, dont have to stress since i was down a billion bonus points anyways
cause my schedule doesnt work well for bonuses atm
xD
FREEEEEDOM
true, i am a one time top 10
someday ill make it back
but my casualness always strikes xD
Mods post here? ๐ฎ
I was under the impression the game developers have totally forgotten about PvP already
Not sure if there was ever an update to PvP ever since the game launched
not a dev, syanda is a mod lol
Mods are ppl too 
@vague token , yeah, but PvP generally gets ignored ๐
True that. The only update to PvP are things that break PvP ๐


On a serious note, has there actually been any form of QoL or general update to PvP since the game launched in CN? I can't seem to remember any changes that were ever made to PvP itself as a system
pvp was a mistake
Welllllll
Basically no
On PvP updates
actually, with UI update I think they made list auto-ranking-refresh happen more often
Oh and ofc the FW ships skills rework - that's not really system though

it refreshes iirc something like every 1H now
before, it only refreshed outside of relog at the PvP resets, or something like that
@vague token are you sure you're treating your nagato properly? she procced twice only in five matches lmao


Grown up Sara when 
KC Sara 
Loli botes needs some big treatment
We already have loli versions of botes, now we need big versions

Big QE

still flat

cant tell if im diagnosed with hepatitis
too much yellow 
I will only ever respect these meme comps if they're 120, which they're never. so rip
You gave me an idea 
im cursing them with fish sauces

They were purged from the cult
long time ago only avrora had cheaters

now for two lists no one has been caught in avrora
That might be because all of the cheaters have been cleaned out


Sigh, trying to decide whether to eat a +9 so I can get this pvp cycle over and done with, or wait for people to go past me

i dont even use my rudder yet
dont see a point in using it for offense
go full power 
Is this thing trash?
very good in later PVE chapters
when did BB AP become good?
when triple 410 was added
can't argue there 
roger dodger
did anyone here ever get 2 bp from siren?
they only drop one
sound like a load of crap when ppl said they got 2 from them
inter been lying through his teeth i see
ok somebody created the ultimate shitface defense fleet
https://gyazo.com/717447930b8ac097679d0ee32ac5add0
these monkeys
Finally my first rudder. Now my pvp fleet is optimally geared
I just never got those bps, made 2 nepguns, 2 mle, a skc close to a second and staag before one rudder
you could probly get 2 from a siren if ur really lucky
i havent yet on this event tho
2 from a siren? I only seen 1's so far
ive only seen 1s this whole event so 
pretty sure 2 from siren is impossible or pretty much so
w/ 1% droprate you can guess 
What is the drop rate for gold bp? boss and sirens?
something around ~1-2% siren and ~6-7% boss
only doing sirens isnt worth, dont do it
well, you also need event points
Ah
1-2% siren and almost 10% boss afaik
but I've been super lucky with around 2.5-3% on siren so far 
setting up a full-map-farm now though
arrrrgh game stop lagging on me pls...
hope he can break 8+ guns at end of event
by his pace i would say even 10 is doable
guy luck is EX++++ rank

man I just got my one so far 
guy should just buy lottery lel
ye but event is halfway done basically
wouldve loved to get 4-5
but droprate is rly bad compared to past events for me
best gun with the worse drop rate



made 4 guns already 
how much oil @shell heron

and 4 drop ones? or 3 + shop @shell heron
I meant him not me 
lel
I'm only working on my 3rd
gg



Washington 
tbh, I'm slacking. 27k points and 44k oil
I'm around half of you sooo 
event map got shit exp tho
0 XP sooo

a little bit less than 7-2 but I farmed that while working on PR too 
1:1 Laffey Kaga BB

Oklahoma was bit cheaper in 1:1
but Kaga BB gives 2500xp per fight for PR

are the sirens immune to fire or something? no right?
how did I not get a fire in like 15 BB main gun hits 
3 full mk6 volleys

Maybe you did rolled really bad
that's about 1-in-32k chance, 50% for fire per main gun hit, 15 hits
which isn't that low tbf
also RNG with evasion chance and dispersion as well means it's probably nowhere near that bad
Ah
Why my vang often stops in the middle of fight, itโs like they intentionally want to eat up all salvos and torps
Yeah, allright, stop right there

huh?
@elder crane Yep, i noticed that as well. That's why i'm running ap guns
Well killing the light is problematic with BBAP
and AP dispersion is no better on the missing part
And the BB kills anyways, so not much point imo
oh I meant killing CL siren
since I'm using weaker VG for PR farming
oh ok
I just stopped trying to Roon farm on D2 and cut the oil cost nearly in half
IB cruisers are garbage.
I'll probs use Eugen, at least she can be relied upon to not die
Pairs well with Bis too, let Bis carry doing all the damage
which of the common cl trio is even the best to use
lol
like if you do prinz/leipzig/X
xD
I dropped Koln and just ran the other two
Prinz + a BB that does damage is an interesting thing to try
Biscuit is a better vanguard DPS than Prinz isn't she
even with -35% damage, she has more firepower lol
The issue is that Prinz is god awful at cleaning up, and should take tons of ramming and leak tons of stuff
Bismarck should help clean that up a lot - unless Prinz is so terrible at it that she leaks more mob HP than Biscuit DpS can keep up with (and ofc suicide ships will be troublesome)
if you are planning to use pudding you should put her with fishy or either shark sister
i think just put fishy with either shark and pudding tbh
might try to put a K in there but i rather want consistency tbh
oh ok
so either both shark or 1 shark + fishy
mine already 100
so there's that lel
need to 120 roon tho
or should i 
already got 120 sanrui

I should use my sanrui to 120. She's dev 25 so somewhat usable now
I'm tempted to get her and give her beaver to free up space backline for 1 more SG
that's a lot of roon bps I have now that I wish was sanrui bps
but my luck has been pretty bad with sanrui. converted all my universal bps to get her dev 25
I actually want to stop getting monarch BP now and get Nep
She's 6 bp off of going to 3 luck
Nep still stuck at 26 
WTT Izumo/Ibuki BP for any other, 10:1 rate. Any takers?
lol pass
too lazy to unlock roon.
Gonna be another close season. I calculated at an end score of at least 2591 if I only get +1 per reset.
I'm usually 5 or 6 pts off
oh look my random gold research is Monarch again 
Jay? wow he pushed hard
If you're 9/10 like me atm. That's somewhat close to where I am
I don't like sandbagging during these events
Literally just using all my exercises whenever I can
owo
Keeping track of when either Hiryuus use their death saves is a headache. Makes me consider swapping out Juneau for only this reason
I don't find dropping junie worth it. If your fleet is at least 115, it should be a relatively easy win even against 120s

Gimme your ibuki prints
I'll push it another minute or 2. A rank 52 isnt a +1 for me anymore
=(
And time to move before I get punished for sandbagging
Oh geez, either famine is already out this season or he's pretty ahead of me 
i dunno about shell amagi unless she is across from a carrier
if you have dueling amagi you'll probably get rekt
Yukikaze op?
yukikaze op op
It's not just that
There's also torps and just shelling RNG too
Overall I haven't had major issues from it but she does feel a tad squishy
How does she even land hits with that setup 
sometimes you do, sometimes you dont

seeing 2k crits on nagato is fun
waiting to swap with izumo gun though
for big ap deeps

Oh lol Bis with Shell/Beaver has sub-50% hitrate on Amagi-boosted Nagato with SG/Beaver (or SG/Rudder)
actually it might be sub-50% even without Amagi boost
probably not quite that bad though

Yeah isn't quite that bad
With Amagi's boost it's around 45% hitrate though 
54% if you run SG/Shell instead
Which is like a 20% damage boost
which is almost exactly a 20% damage boost on average
yeah but how fast does she die ;)
fair enough!
xD
also who do i put the beaver on X_x
sara with double evade memes?
xD

the hard questions of gear on non-meta
you should ask yourself what does your sara do?
Yeah, on enemy main shell for bis is still a good chunk better damage than SG
if no other +hit
then just 1 rudder
rudder is taken already
on sanrui
im trying rudder/bulge
so i have to move beaver to backline
give sanrui rudder + beaver 
So wow, core data shop update finally comes
I try out 818 and shell
and.... now ditch both 
rudder beaver wasnt doing much for me, or maybe i just keep getting torp memes
They're useful in PvE at least, and later in PvP I suppose
if you vs torp then yeh use bulge
It's... very ehhh
if not i use pearl + rudder
818 syncs up eventually.... when the vanguard is already dead 
or just ykkz left who just evades TB torps
Fricken on-hit restriction of 818 
juneau mid with pearl/boiler never overheals
;)
idk Sanrui and ykkz both have a good chance of outlasting main
too tanky for my taste
so pearl on them is... questionable
sanrui as tank has the highest chance to die first
i mean, then she's done her job
which is what most tank position do lel
xD
Idk if there's any serious teams with weak enough torps that I'd drop bulge on a leading sanrui
Maybe HMS?
any comp that does not have a jin2 or ayaya?
They take a nasty bite out, you mean 

erm, what?
even just kaze with Nep or some other weaker HMS torper hits pretty hard
Jun's do just chip
i think once sanrui is dev 30
it should be fine
because she'll have barrage upgrade
and more efficiency
to just win trades
ykk and jesus are almost in every fucking comp
last one is just flex for whatever flavor
most fav is belfap
well, ykk and juneau are mathematical goddesses
the largest team EHP boosters in the game lol
Bel is just what everyone has invested enough in
ykk is also just tanky
useless shit if not vs foxes
if fortune had lucky ship she'd be used
and even then she is not really that good vs foxes
erm what
she's really good vs foxes
it's just that foxes aren't a threat
well, i did get run over once by an 818 fox team with sendai
on def you mean?
Hmm, idk if I used Sheff earlier than you or not
i use foxes on off and even vs belfap i just auto win anyway
because of the bad skill description on wiki
so i didnt use her until after that got cleared up
at a minimum
against all the stall comp atm i just going to use nuke comp
either win or lose in 1 min
Hmm, started using her late-april for me
ain't got time for 2min stall
that does give shorter average fight time
I prefer to just run mirror and not watch fights though 

xD
I have won
or auntie hood forgets her shooting glasses
with shitty procs
vs 3 big 7

delete backline
and u dont have to worry about VG stall
Who is that CL with glasses 
i'm not swiftsure
Anyways putting kgv at flag allows her enhanced barrage to hit everyone at the backline
Its not much but it's smth
It's swiftsure
anybody can yeet nanoda fast
its just a matter of shelling RNG
here's the catch: its rarely ever in your favour.
true
Will pow ever get her retrofit...
Also, thatโs some poor performance by swiftsure with her abilities
please stop making girls use shitty guns just to access a bonus they should have just gotten anyways.
No pain no gain
they want us to sink more gold and plates 
should have forced amagi to use a shitter ijn gun
Should have fixed those shitty guns in the first place instead of balancing ships around them
I actually do kind of want to invest in KGV cause I kind of like her
but in the end she is just a shelling boat
for the most part
Yeah, amagi should definitely have had a penalty for being a game breaking ship
Like, having barrage only if she used a confetti gun
Just make a non ijn ship that will break her kneecaps with itโs presence alone
eh kgv is not just a shelling bote
her barrage practically deals same amount of damage as monarch except its spread out to all enemy backliners
Have you tried KGV/Hood/Monarch meme teem yet
im using kgv monarch doy
using hood with monarch is too rng heavy and doesn't work well in my experience
Can swap hood for 120 max aff Dork and Warspite as well
and QE
amagi should have been 3 different ships ;)
I'll swap to WS since she can use shell instead of SG
Victorious 
but ws is futureproof so might as well
still need 18 bps for dev30 and my nep is dev17 kek
I have a 120 waifu bell as well but
Nep is so thicc she dont care
planes are not a prob with hms 

good luck rolling in the perm pool
its gonna be like another shangri la
wait she has a unique plane in her event?
does it have a skill?
xD
and nope
=/
it slows
Centaur and Neptune are the only things keeping me from leaving
it doesnt say it slows
her fighter just is 4 cannon and 2 500 pound
but eh people rarely use 818
i mean the hawker sea fury in her event reward
Syncing her with monarch might be a pain in the ass
I donโt think bis can buff non ib ships
If anyone is still sandbagging. I finished rushing.
Dead list so I'll take that +0 and go to sleep
If anyone has me on their list, just letting you know I'm going to sandbag until five minutes before reset.
Not sleeping any time soon

I had 3 ppl rush top50 same time on my list
such fail
now i sure to have +0 rest of reset
The one day i get to play ... A maintenance
USA! USA!
for the gun? lol rip

Farm more
is that gun actually BiS for backline BBs
I wish this event wasn't running for only 2 weeks so I actually had a chance to farm more than one
If you can't equip Nepgun, then this gun is bis
Aka if you are Hood 
Wash and sodako also can't equip cl guns
none US BBs can
what's nepgun
pr 152
Pr 152 AP
oh
same as Ark
It's probably not as good on Hiryuu as it is on Foxes, but she gets extra strike and that basically guarantees your vg gets shelled at some point
Hiryuu deleting yr backline w/ Ryuuseis is much worse
uhh
the stats looks pretty identical
the cudas just a bit better on a few stats
is 818 new BiS now or something
It's better than Cuda, probably worse than Ryuusei?
ppl aiming for speedlaunch and high touchdown will just go for cuda
and focused damage still ryuusei
If you were using Cuda then you should be using 818 instead
The launch speed is negligible and the slow they have is actually nuts
Hiryuu doesn't duel
yea launch speed is main factor in fox mirrors
yeah
if you equip 818 to hiryuu the slow should line up with amagi 2nd salvo
you also need to hit ships with airborn torps before salvo
otherwise even if you did slow you can't really do much with it
might be good with sendai flare
or on a fox to slow for nagamon barrage
not like it really needs slow
not like sacrificing chunk of main fleet pressure for some more vg pressure also rng without real back up worth it
w/ bb with big gun or second cv w/ ryuusei sure
my yuki got slowed by 818 but laughed in nagato barrage's face yea i got lucky but still lul

it's also rng to get her slowed in the middle anyway
tbh it feels more like she protects flag from extra damage, lol
since naga barrage doesn't penetrate
ill probably join the 3 club as well
siren farming seems like shit rate
and Im farming sirens cause I wanna train louis and KGV at the same time
i actually wanna save some mailbox fuel for Centaur so I can train her nonstop the day she comes
Lmao famine has 14 points advantage
kek, didn't get +1 for 37 points diff
you probably counted wrong.
35 actually
i mean atleast 35
whats your score and their score?
read the log
Are you slow or what?
lmao
point difference is 1862 - 1827 for example
and i ended up at 21 after match
you didnt say last 2 digits
cause it's obvious when talking about diff?
no its not when you put it like that
and its weird that you didnt get bonus pt
hence my statement
read 1st post
ok but that line is the confusing part
obviously that couldn't be me rank 11 and guy rank 48 too cause i'd get +9
But apparently 35 points diff not enough in some cases
or maybe you tapped end screen and it got stuck at +10

thats sandy?
what else
kek
now i have top 2 guy and ofc too low diff
maybe at some ranks you need bigger difference at score that's what i think
or you need bigger score difference at same rank or when you have close high ranks
i already lost 5 attempts cuz wanted to try sandbag for da 1st time then oversleep kek
if i get lucky
On Sandy it's not even a question
idk how Lexi is doing
It's second server after all
is there even someone from Lex here
last i checked its at least 10pts above no.1
Friday 1st reset been ded for few seasons on Sandy
how many rushers?
There usually no Gensui for couple hrs
oof
few dozens after second reset if we lucky
I only see score tho now in ladder, no ranks, so actual gensui count is low compared to few dozens 2200+
well why care abt rushing if you can just chill and get gensui anyways
-sandy peeps prolly
If i miss too many tickets i sit out till Saturday anyway, then push on 1st or second reset, that's really ez time
all who wanted to rush gensui already on weekend, rest don't bother
Oof, double food on exchange
meal day
we had that few days ago i think
medals put to good use


if u worry about losing dont sandbag
only winners sandbag

nein
im about to start the oil grind this week
7/15 on second last I checked
and ofc the shop bps still untouched currently
surprisingly
its a problem of motivation and time rather than oil for me this time
im finding a reason to quit 
i should get the 3 pcs i need if i manage to use all my oil
@ionic magnet , me! I am from Lex ๐
oh noted 
1/15 on my third gun
4/15 on 1st 
13/15 on 2nd 
I wish this event was not just 2 weeks cuz maybe I will actually have time to play next week but it will be too late 
They should just put it in PR general

I mean, I dont have enough time to be burned out. I will say tho, tapping the screen like 6 times between each autobattle to farm shit is really wearing on me.

at least after this event is pretty much smooth sailing until rerun
not much to farm
i'm going back to 1:2 aff farming, 1:1 doesn't even decrease my oil w/ the time i spend, lol

i'm about to 120 and 200 bel
Well, she will 200 much sooner, then 120. Then she is on Dorm maid duty

nolife is stronk

I'm about to hit 117 on her
i do like 2-3 map clears per hr xD
Did pvp too just in case i pass out
need cash furn
limited cash furn to that
I'm actually being walled a little by you @odd schooner
you forced 3 resets because my nagato decided not to barrage while your's proc every time

lol
actually, both my amagi and nagato refuse to proc their barrages then 
this is why i don't like using stall comp
too fucking slow
foxes all the way 
either win or lose in 1 min instead of the 2 min stall
man it would be great if I could get monarch neptune to dev 30 before season ends but that would require me to increase my total daily average mon/nep BP gain of 8 -> 11.
maybe if I degen my sleep cycle I can make it 
question
Purple FCR or the core shop shell?
is 9 extra hit better than 31 FP and extra crit dmg 
whats the question
question mark added
well, 25% crit damage has different amounts of value compared to firepower
based on base crit rate
so 9 hit vs the gold shell is probably not worth it?
true, ty 
but no math there
I have noticed she's doing more damage consistently since swiching
just muh gut
but its still a tossup sometimes
oh yeah I'd use fcr over purp shell
i only +6 my purples that arent like end of their item line
so i think purple shell at +6 is probably better than +6 fcr
xD
i dont have one so idk
i got one from a box xD

lol
Lusty once "banged" with her sister formidable
Wonder if we getting other 2 sisters
"Heavy" carriers 


How do i bribe Daxam to play two more matches.
kek
is the slowing planes meme legit in PvP? 
you use 818 with foxes
btw random salt: had to fight TWO opponents with +34 points difference 
one has a lower torp plane efficiency
the other has a really high one
so you use the weaker efficiency to lead into ryuusei
makes sense, thanks
from the stronger one
xD
wait, you didn't have another match left @shy hazel

anyone has 120 jean bart yet?
Just curious if he tried her in pvp
For proper testing need to wait at least a week to max her skills
818 useful whenever you can follow it up with damage that hits a lot more when the slow is active
BB shots, more CV strikes, etc.
best user of 818 are either centaur or foxes imo
Otherwise it's a shitty barracuda
or bunnies when their kai come
Well any 2+ CVs, which for now is mostly just foxes
Also for if your BB shots line up
E.g. WaSDE/H (lol), or HMS with Centaur
the only 2+ CV are either foxes or bunnies kai
dk about cranes tho?
and yes centaur
Cranes is sorta almost legit
Kinda like kai bunnies I think -
Except without final counter Akaga and Enty and Hiryuu kinda shit on them

Vs Slow BB teams though I hear they wreck quite nicely
Yeah
Or Namagi I hear too
They do fine vs HMS iirc, until WSkai

It's cause cranes have strike setup, and in particular iirc skk has 2/2/4 F/DB/TB setup which hits really hard
Erm, what?
It's Nagato-Cranes, only thing less stally is Akaga
Basically the idea is, iirc,
Nakaga doesn't hit hard enough anymore, but Nagato-Cranes does - so even though Cranes hits 1/2 strike behind, they hit damage breakpoint earlier
But afaik Nagato-DragonsKai is mostly just that team but better 
still need time to ramp up anyway
so still kindda stallish
before 1 min not like their dps > foxes either way
Well it actually doesn't really utilize Zkk ramping
cranes selling point is their ramp up
Well the advantage over Nakaga is damage breakpoint
how come they going to have > dps than foxes?
Well it's either,
Nakaga 1st wave doesn't hit hard enough to threaten, but Nagato-Cranes does
Nakaga 2nd wave isn't enough total damage to close out the match, but Nagato-Cranes is
Close out as in leave at most a straggler or two
I'm not one of the people who really knows much about that team, can't really say much more
But iirc some have used it to decent results

It's not like I'd ever invest in cranes to test it 
might max my cranes to see if they indeed speed up match
after i max ws and bunnies tho
cranes is still too off meta
i already max mine
both at 100
Idk imo better off waiting for dragon retros
so not really a problem
Well yeah but getting to 120 is the issue
all my sister CV are all max
Plus 200 aff oath
except for child hood friend
bunnies and foxes already max and 200
bunnies is at 116 each
cranes is 100 at 100 aff
got max skill tho
My foxes aren't even 120, 200 aff though
Hiryuu fully maxed out minus her pairing skill, Souryuu and Cranes at just lv 100 aff
ws and bunnies takes priority
By the time I get around to cranes, wskai will probably be out 
WS already fully maxed for me, D2 finished off the last bit of XP for 120

Probably isn't a great defense team though
VG is too squishy
Well WS normal isn't bad for PvE
She's still a well-statted BB
still need to actually use her to begin with
not helping that i been raising PR ship

D2 imo a good opportunity to
Easy map, BB req
Well shit XP means you don't have to worry much about PR
Just use it to get her to 200 and dorm to 120

Also Siren XP is actually pretty decent
assuming I oathed her 
at least her kai chibi is lovable
reason why i ring kgv even tho she is shit and going to be replace soon either way lel
๐ฎ
This is not looking good. getting more +0 resets recently
I have you on my list stella 
if you would move I can get a +1

lol
you win. I'm tired so I'll eat another +0 tonight 


My match didn't finish . backed out so fast 
k go reset
lol
what a bro

I'm not that far behind you know 
mm
i dont sandbag much this season tbh
i ate like tons of 0 bonuses alrdy
tho all of us is prolly the same
except famine
I was 5 points behind him yesterday and today 6
maybe 7 after this +0
dont compare us humans to gods
yeah but famine is beyond casual sandbagging power

i only have so much time 
by two
i want one for every gunboat but that dream will never happen
do u mean with shop gun
2 +1
or pure grind
So I was right. the game prob did bug on the weekly.
no way I missed a match or it would mean I actually beat famine at sandbagging

you got the shop gun 

done. I almost got screwed over on my 5th match with a lower ranked target and 3 refreshes
this is still fine
in gbf imm so tilted
i wrote a report in full japanese
and complained to support

o.O
never played gbf xD
i almost had a breakdown
enjoy your +1 from me if I'm on your list. currently r2 after my 5 

If I got a +0 I could boot cay down to 3rd
Idk do you? You can check since I cant hide my score rn

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