vy and famine are the chosen ones
#pvp
finite valve
coral wren
eu is being cucked with timezones, resets are 4 am, 10 am and 10 pm
merry edge
is the sandbagging guide done? 
elder crane
If you drop matches cause you sandbag, you should probably start playing it safer and sandbag less
If you're starting to get frustrated over it, sandbag less
merry edge
I dont get how to do it at all
I think you needed to make sure the person you're attacking has a significantly higher score than yours but how do you check?
buoyant parrot
If I'm not mistaken there are info pinned about pvp and a somewhat relevant information to sandbagging
I suggest you check pinned post
shell heron
Early in the season it is not possible to see how far ahead your leftmost person is of you, unless they happen to be top 100. So before midseason and if you sandbag enough to see currently top 100 people, it is mostly guessing
lament lichen
need that sandbag guide too
shell heron
says the person who consistently get 2600+ EoS scores 
merry edge
so for the most part early season is just "hit your leftmost guy 
"?
sandbagging sounds pretty inconsistent if you need to wait for people on your list to just happen to be in top 100 tho
shell heron
general rule is hit the leftmost guy that moved
merry edge
that moved?
shell heron
yes, were they a lower rank before? hit them
merry edge
Im still confused. can you explain with an example? 
shell heron
You're rank 700 and your leftmost guy is 650. You don't fight them
But if they went up to 200 after a relog, then you fight them
or if someone else took that spot with a higher rank.
merry edge
but how would you know they went up?
and how do the "refreshes" happen?
shell heron
you just log out and log back in.
the game unfortunately doesn't refresh rankings in real time
merry edge
oh I see
shell heron
there's a refresh list button(new opponents) but you don't want to press that
merry edge
so basically refresh once in a while, and once you see the "gap" between you and one person on your list is large enough, attacc?
merry edge
ok I think I got it 
also the refresh button gets you a new updated batch around your score, which makes it bad for sandbagging unless your current roster is one you cant beat right?
shell heron
Or if you recognize those names as other sandbaggers and will not move til near reset
I'm using meta so beating other fleets is not a problem, it's if someone on my list will move
merry edge
technically it doesnt matter when you do your attempts, as long as you manage to find large jumps in score right?
shell heron
There are certain times of the day when people do their pvp matches. So if you are afraid you're gonna miss that period waiting on your current list
use that new opponent button
Sandbagging more ensures you don't eat a +9 or worse midseason since sandbaggers will have enough points to get rank 1 at the time easy
wicked rivet
if youre on nox, hit that trashcan button
if youre on phone, either restart app or hit "cancel" when it asks if u wanna reconnect
shell heron
because who actually levels them normally 
modern tree
My Juneau is 200 affection 
shell heron
I just oathed her yesterday. If I'm gonna see her in every pvp match, might as well make her happy
sharp wing
outer stump
Why this tryhard tho 
red nexus
Every commander is just another iteration of a chaotic systhem with slightly changed parameters
outer stump
vague token
oh boi multiverse
finite valve
where are my abyssall / siren admiral universe tho?
shell heron
Does oathing Junie really help me? She already have a hard time doing her job sometimes. Now she can live a bit longer than she does now
modern tree
no, its a meme
finite valve
ofc NOT
in the future if she got a kai you going to bet your ass she not going to die
trim horizon
shell heron
Still gonna retro her anyways 
shell heron
why not. Junie 1 v 6 the enemy
sharp wing
Carry into time out
vague token
even with unlimited zombie mode you might lose to time out
xD
time out is default loss right?
finite valve
wiki is down for anyone?
shell heron
same
finite valve
vague token
probably going to end up with 33/32/29/25/25 is my guess
sharp wing
RNG wins once again
raw osprey
2000 10/10 
its the RNG power of the Defense Fleet https://gyazo.com/a98f55a05c348639f755d1c74bdb4134
RNG Angels of Flat Justice
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Cutie
sharp wing
raw osprey
man i cant wait for Kisaragi Retrofit EN
the one and only sinks in this game are https://gyazo.com/65d97a8c90c93c0cf8c28fbcf5a1f06c
coral wren
lolicons 
raw osprey
coral wren
raw osprey
wicked rivet
neon aspen
What are good Aug equipment for Nagato?
I have a gold SG radar and an auto loader right now
buoyant parrot
aren't the china sisters good for PvP specially on 120 cap?
raw osprey
Improved Hydraulic Rudder
finite valve
if you define good as being unable to die then yes they are
buoyant parrot
well against IJN at least?
vague token
wait is it meme time
finite valve
they will also deal 0 dps
shy hazel
u need yat sen for them to be useful
buoyant parrot
ahh so technically they are just a time stall def
shy hazel
and yatsen dies fast
buoyant parrot
yeah
buoyant parrot
when I said China sister that include Yat Sen
shy hazel
tried it long time ago
buoyant parrot
but yeah. So no?
finite valve
i rather just use a normal comp than they
finite valve
lol china ball are useless w/o yat sen
buoyant parrot
oohh... what a waste then, I have 3 of them at 110 and Oath with 200 Affection
finite valve
so ofc i was talking about all 3
shy hazel
goid at pve ofc
finite valve
china ball is just a cock roach comp with 0 dps
finite valve
i rather just use a normal comp if you ask me
buoyant parrot
finite valve
china ball got 0 dps
which mean you need to bring BB or heavy hitter to back them up
buoyant parrot
so even at 120 they suck
finite valve
not worth
buoyant parrot
good thing I haven't decided yet in limit breaking them
finite valve
mlb and kai both ning ping a long time ago
just cus i was over cap
not going to max their skill tho
buoyant parrot
nah... not gonna spend 1600 Chips if they are useless in PvP
finite valve
yeh i was talking about 100
raw osprey
so you never lvl ships if they dont work pvp? 
finite valve
not 120
buoyant parrot
that's the only reason I even brought them to 110 and oath with 200 affection
yes I don't
finite valve
raw osprey
geez
finite valve
using meme china ball
buoyant parrot
I just leave them to Max Limit break
raw osprey
buoyant parrot
retro lv or max limit break that's all there is to it to trash ships.
finite valve
ppl who say china ball are good are just making excuse
yeh they are good at not dying
buoyant parrot
what i meant trash for me is not usable in PvP ๐
raw osprey
oh the guy who says Helena needs retro giving gameplay advise again ๐
finite valve
well not like she got anything better than just debuff enemies and call it a day
i would compare her to like an ayaya
raw osprey
so what ships do you consider good
if Helena and chinese wall (who most people consider tier 0) are bad
buoyant parrot
anywhoo thanks for the input, gonna leave this girls to just keep accumulating dock dust then
finite valve
you can ask all the guru and all of them will say they are bad
that's a fact
also unless you got a SS of me saying helena need a kai to be good pls feel free to do so
raw osprey
finite valve
but i never said so myself
finite valve
buoyant parrot
avoid the "HMS" drama whatever that is wasn't here when that happened
finite valve
implying i am that childish to leave the server cus someone call me out on something that is un true
buoyant parrot
now now lets move on...
I've been seing a lot of Hiryuu comps with Enty lately
I already saw like 5 teams already
what's up with that
shy hazel
sharp wing
Some things are better left unseen
buoyant parrot
looool
shy hazel
so t0 in tierlist doesnt exactly mean t0 in pvp
finite valve
just move on stella
buoyant parrot
n o wonder I keep seing that shit lately
shy hazel
finite valve
well not like it matter when i can just rekt t0 shit with t1 stuff
this server don't have an akagi dab?
buoyant parrot
never trust noodle text unless you see it written in the EN PvP Tierlist guide I guess?
buoyant parrot
definitely ours defer as well.
finite valve
not like ppl going to use meme CN tier list anyway lel
sharp wing
Cause those tierlists are biased opinion of 1 person
buoyant parrot
good good we trust our own. I like it
shy hazel
vague token
heh, got another 33
buoyant parrot
since we trust ours its time to put some trash tier there and said it as T0 then post it to #al-general
nah just kidding
vague token
guess im 32/33/29/33/25
sharp wing
Tierlists are only a general guideline for new players or those who doesn't know how shit works anyway
ionic magnet
dead list dead season
sharp wing
time to quit pvp
buoyant parrot
anyway thanks for everyone's time, Gotta go space police dutty in Eve 
midnight heron
well rng is just surprise mechanics
midnight heron
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sharp wing
hot creek
do 7 more
midnight heron
i wud but im pvp in another game rn lul
sharp wing
I should just use those 30s right after reset
ionic magnet
136 5/10 
hot creek
nah idgaf about pvp anymore tbh
sharp wing
hot creek
been doing my pvps relatively early
sharp wing
You say that now
I mean, i got rank 8 end of season w/ 2 lost tix and bad start last season, not like ppl care much about pvp already
Maybe ppl who got really good start will care
to get free rank 1
shell heron
@ionic magnet you had to be on my list didn't you. I don't suppose you'll move anymore
sharp wing
141 5/10 pretty ugly
lament lichen
still can top 1 with that start
shell heron
you also live in the timezone
still 146 isn't a bad start, I can recover from it over this week
lament lichen
literally up until the 35 point difference its just how many bonus fights you can get
shell heron
2am reset, not doing that for the odds of one extra bonus match
sharp wing
fighting sleep is not most exciting thing
shell heron
I still got about 4 hours before I'll rush.
midnight heron
tfw u rushing against someone with torp meme and their vg doesnt die on first proc
,,I,,
vague token
lol
sharp wing
If lvl difference, no wonder
midnight heron
no lvl diff from main fleet so
sharp wing
midnight heron
vague token
which is why i RWG on sara 
shell heron
damnit. I refreshed my list because I recognized 3 sandbaggers
and I get you again @ionic magnet
ionic magnet
buoyant parrot
ionic magnet
did 1 match cos someone moved
elder crane
Oh nice, I play a lot of matches most days right before 2PM and around 11 PM EST
For y'all's reference
coral wren
+0 ...
sharp wing
263...
sharp wing
vague token
264 5/10
cerulean estuary
dalawang daan anim naput apat 5 /10
sharp wing
RNG/10
quiet adder
A frenchie looking down on the brits
real notch
modern tree
Nice flex
hidden wyvernBOT
quiet adder
vague token
ugh no one pushing immediately before i sleep =/
spare iron
Is this memey enough for an HMS fleet?
spare iron
Not really sure on why I put Aurora. Would Belfast, Suffolk and Leanders look cooler?
ionic magnet
if you're gonna be serious then normally you want bel/sheff/aurora with juneau and yukikaze
hmm i dont think two barrage botes (hood+monarch) is recommended
just look at @coral wren and his daily rants
i'd go hood/monarch + kgv/qe + warspite/doy
stark raft
Do 3 barrage botes and call it a day
spare iron
Once I get Neptune, I'll slap her in there but for now... Maybe Leanders would work fine as stop gap?
stark raft
Bel would do you better
ionic magnet
you'd need atleast one of juneau/ykkz tho
stark raft
Just bring out the maids if you are going for meme
spare iron
Ohhh right maids.
ionic magnet
yea i feel stupid for answering seriously
stark raft
spare iron
Yeah... What do you get from topping in the Exercise ladder?
buoyant parrot
you get something that the rank 1 of Fleet Power and Collection Ranking couldn't attain because he's a just a whale @spare iron
modern tree
Aurora is necessary for HMS to function unless you run multiple barrage boats. You are not winning without sinking the vg. Juneau is also more or less necessary to capitalize on QE buff, but I guess Sheff or stacking smokes will do in a pinch. If I were to run pure HMS front I'd probably do Nep/Sheff, Belfast, Aurora. If you want to use Juneau then put her front and run w/e mid
blazing scroll
Is Aurora really necessary with all the additional hit stats you put on your BBs?
modern tree
Yes
Ykkz has 98 luck
Unless you can kill backline before frontline, it's essential to kill frontline asap
blazing scroll
The thought ran through my head that using Aurora makes your own vg weaker
Because Aurora is far from tanky
modern tree
Aurora makes opposing vg about 33% weaker because she exists and she catches QE buff
The opportunity cost seems a lot higher than it is
Again, if you are running like QE, Doy, Hood, like the guy above, you benefit from Aurora a lot cuz Doy and QE shells have a lot more value
elder crane
If you're facing smokes, even more so, cause vs smoked up ships you're looking at having about double the hitrate with aurora vs without aurora
and ofc you demolish DD-heavy teams, not that you really see those around these days
ionic magnet
Aurora is an option but for sure not a must have. You'll find yourself asking why you're even using her half the time cos your BBs either wont aim VGs at all or they will aim but misses visually cos of speedy VGs
prisma sandal
...yer asking here?
midnight heron
isnt all 30min research the most efficient in terms of time and resource investment
midnight heron
yea but u get tons of shit in 30mins
coral wren
Even if it gives you 2 bps
midnight heron
i havent seen dat happen before tho i usually get a lot of bp if i do those
coral wren
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elder crane
in terms of time it's about 10X similar projects
elder crane
in terms of res, the 5k coin/plates one is very solid, the other two though take cubes
olive thicket
this is pvp
midnight heron
cubes hav never been a problem for me lul its coin dats the limiting factor 
elder crane
they are the best ones for return on cubes though
elder crane
Heh, we're developing PRs for PvP, duh 
olive thicket
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elder crane
Plus no mods here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r0himICsu0p_DcEPQYoMqv6V7bbtyZzhyX38SHpQZ3g/edit?usp=sharing
Current best database on project returns
elder crane
(ignore the tierlist, it has issues that are still to be fixed [though it's not far off])
olive thicket
switch channels
hollow dawn
coral wren
Hm, i see.. that's interesting tho, if nep needs level 30 to be an ok, perhaps throwing ress for her isn't a good idea
She will come in time
elder crane
dev25 I'd say is probably good enough in most cases
olive thicket
why are you continueing
hollow dawn
It was literally posted in #gameplay-help , so I went to check what's up
elder crane
her defensive stats already max at there (minus the 15 luck)
olive thicket
are you guys suicidal
coral wren
What about offense then
hollow dawn
Disp, shush
coral wren
What? What are you talking about, we are discussing nep's effectivness in pvp
The fuck
raw osprey
wicked rivet
yes 30 min comms are the most efficient ones
midnight heron
i'll be honest dis amount of "policing" gets on my nerves
wicked rivet
@ earlier questions
midnight heron
even if its not directly related to pvp its indirectly related
elder crane
but yeah, although Nep's offensive capabilities are good too, her defensive stats are the main draw
and that is already max at dev25
hollow dawn
Effectiveness of ships is on-topic
What research is best one is not
coral wren
Eeh, would you use her at dev lvl 25 in hms?
stark raft
Yeah the extra hp + AA helps nep a lot
coral wren
Well, perhaps it's worth then throwing 30 min researches for her... shouldn't take long
But dev 25 for monarch was a total letdown
stark raft
30 min researches are quite insane, I take them even when its izumo
elder crane
Their RoI is great unless you lack cubes or lack coin
stark raft
Getting 2 of them back to back is what forced me to open 2k boxes
elder crane
even the 8k 3 cube one, the old CN data apparently had small sample size there
it's 6(!) PR bps return on that average, not 3
which means on per-cube basis, it's the most efficient cube-costing project on return-per-cube
ofc 8k coin cost drags it down somewhat, to say the least, for those of us who care about coins
coral wren
Hm, perhaps this is the reason why sometimes i see highly developed ibukis along with izumo 
fuck that fleet
elder crane
What's so bad about an easy kill
coral wren
Should have recorded all 11 resets, or screencapped at least. torp meme, but even with a level disadvantage it shouldn't have taken this much resets
elder crane
level disadvantage makes a pretty huge difference, especially vs alpha-strike teams (like torpmemes)
were you running HMS?
coral wren
Yeah, hood monarch and qe
stark raft
torpmemes are fast resets
elder crane
That... might also have something to do with it
coral wren
qe was insta killed in half of those games
stark raft
QE has your beaver?
stark raft
she did her best
coral wren
It doesn't help, i'm telling you
elder crane
HMS really needs to not be at a lv disadvantage on main
plus the survivability buff from QE is eva stat, which gets worse at level disadvantage
slow BB comps tend to really have lv disadvantage show through, imo
what were you facing?
stark raft
Aur makes that shit hurt
elder crane
You went up against Namagi with lv-disadvantage HMS
and that VG I think is more-or-less the one some CN peeps came up with for anti-HMS(WSkai) iirc
coral wren
W8, ibuki doesn't event get her torps at dev 25, it is dev 30 that makes it work
stark raft
Yeah it neutralizes stall VG which is staple for hms
coral wren
And there is no fucking way it was dev 30 ibuki
coral wren
Uhh, can't really tell. But therewas alot of them
elder crane
....as in more than other teams you see? (most actual teams are 3 preload)
also for PRs last rarity star is dev30 iirc
coral wren
I think the same amount as when it was jin ayaya and yuki
elder crane
then it's not dev30 Ibuki, cause she has two sets of preload torps then for 4 sets total from the VG
coral wren
Oh man, it it was dev30 i guess i'd see no end to resetting
Yesterday some were laughing that it had izumo, but i'm pretty sure even if it was akashi the outcome would be no different
elder crane
yeah, aurora torpedosoup vs a lv-disadvantage (and comp-disadvantage) team, I can see getting walled
well, that's probably too harsh, Izumo isn't that bad
though you're right that for the main fleet, it's Namagi that makes that fleet
midnight heron
well i already get annoyed with aurora jintsuu so ibuki just makes it worse 
stark raft
Just blow amagi up
coral wren
Honestly, the only reason why i won in the end is because they had no heal from jesus or yuki
And missed torps ofc
elder crane
yep, as long as you can tank the torps that team is no threat
the matchups are pretty polarized
coral wren
But fuck me, that was some cancer allright
elder crane
cause torpmeme VG tends to just fold if hit by anything decent, and no ykkz/Jun means main is left at a disadvantage
coral wren
Do you think ibuki fits in non torp meme setups with namagyuu?
Just wonder if i should expect more of her
elder crane
no
you're better off with Louis or Neptune for stall-VG, since the time that provides means Ibuki's alpha-strike isn't as useful as the sustained DpS of the other two, and she doesn't have the surviability equal to the other two to fit the overall strat
but torp-vg namayuu is far from being pure meme, it's decently legit
iirc the most (imo) legit hybrid setup is Ibuki/Aurora/Ykkz, might be a bit off on that though
elder crane
With non-Hybrid setups Ibuki also becomes a bit questionable since Jint doesn't affect her and she doesn't buff team torps
coral wren
Yeah, i was just thinking if i might meet namaryuu with jesus/aur ibuki and yuki
It isn't a torp meme, but still i expect it to be hella annoying
elder crane
that's probably subpar, the ship goals in there don't synergize as well as the other options
wicked rivet
I hope my ibuki is fucking with some people
coral wren
I hope not me
elder crane
Jun is about stalling and taking the long-term advantage, Ibuki is about winning VG fights early
First pairs better with the sustained-DpS higher-survivability VG PRs, notably Ibuki also has CA speed which is bad for dodging BB shots long-term
Second pairs better with the VG-killer-support Aurora
wicked rivet
well you mentioned izumo too and I dont have her leveled enough
so it wasnt me
i have dork aswell
elder crane
Hmmm, maybe the Aurora-torpedo Namayuu anti-HMS strat is why some people experimented with Louis in HMS
That didn't make much sense to be before
stark raft
Prolly or Sanrui just too strong to ignore
elder crane
Nah she's not so strong to be (clearly?) better than Nep overall in non-HMS, much less HMS, and Jun and Ykkz don't need my explaining
stark raft
Well if alpha-dmg is your problem, Wouldn't Sanrui be a perfect solution with her engine boost?
Trade Nep to dodge torps/shred enemy VG vs the anti-hms comps
Overral I'd still pick Nep though
elder crane
Yep, that's my thought
Normally she's lower-survivability than Nep (especially with QE), but then Aurora's there
and with higher DpS than Nep (even under QE? I haven't done the analysis there tbh) she should shred the relatively-paper torpteam nicely
coral wren
Eh, isn't qe's 15% boost to evasion is kinda meh?
It's not amagi's evasion rate, the numbers are kinda eeh, not that amazing
finite valve
when did torp team become a trend?
stark raft
Yeah, but that's not the only thing QE boosts
finite valve
also QE eva buff is a stat buff not flat buff so if your ship eva are low her buff won't do jack shit
coral wren
yeah, i know, i just meant her overall boost of survivability. She is mainly there for that fp
modern tree
You generally don't have low eva ships because BB base is pretty high at 120 and slapping a rudder or badge on them puts them over CL eva with QE buff
wicked rivet
me now have full 120 backline 
elder crane
Plus Eva has diminishing returns, in a way that means even %-wise eva buffs are worth more at medium rather than high evas (though still worth much less at very low eva)
Haven't done the calcs on where the breakpoints are, and the magnitude of the effects though
119 Sheff and 118 Jun are the last two for my current team
then it's Aurora, KagaBB, and Louis next in line for 120 for PvP experimentation
coral wren
7 nep bps from 30 mins research
elder crane
Highest return from that recorded that I've seen is 9+2(bonus)
Average return is 8 or so for that
But ofc that's including all ship bps, not just the featured
shell heron
7-2 isn't that bad. Helping me speed up my 120 progress.
I could just leave my PvP ships in the dorms for about 40 days, but that's way too long
coral wren
Why not just 1-1 big fleets on 11-4
stark raft
7-2 has more gold
stark raft
Might actually get a reppuu from research
steep fog
im still farming roon in w12
only 60k gold banked
hopefully can get jb in 40 rolls
stark raft
im close to my 1st nepgun
stark raft
the price I pay for spamming monarch and nep bp
shell heron
I wonder if it's worth refreshing my list. Nobody moved for 1.5 hours
lament lichen
sharp wing
My gold made unlife
hot creek
im already dead from PR and 120
can't they just announce the patch notes already so I can tap into all this mail gold
coral wren
Just move somebody, i have a lot of work tomorrow..
shell heron
I wonder why some people on the help channel recommend the PR 381mm for Nagato.
but that's PvE
sharp wing
You mean triple?
shell heron
yes the triple. forgot they're both 381
sharp wing
Well, maybe due to her barrage being pretty low % and unreliable, that gives her more average dps
Not like she deals not enough damage w/ twin 381 in pve
But reload on that thing is close to 406
triple 381
shell heron
while 60% barrage chance is not the best. I think it's still good enough to use the twin 381.
at least until the PR2 twin 406 comes to EN
sharp wing
60%? i Wish lol
sharp wing
Naga is 40%
sharp wing
More like 80%
sharp wing
Feels like it 90% of time
shell heron
wait, who was I thinking of again? 
sharp wing
IDK about 60%... But probably about Bismarck
Since she is barrageboat to use damage gun
in pve
shell heron
I was prob thinking of the skill activation chances of USS ships
Though, Nagi's barrage chance does feel higher in PvP.
Especially when my opponent is throwing them at me
ionic magnet
sharp wing
midnight heron
im rushing now if anyone has me on list
lament lichen
opponent's nagato always 100% proc
sharp wing
charred kindle
vague token
lol
wicked rivet
F
odd schooner
Still waiting for syanda
wicked rivet
I got syanda a few times last season
ionic magnet
lol i got syanda just now also
vague token
o.o
elder crane
Inb4 soon all of us waiting on the guy
shy hazel
finite valve
it is just me or avrora is just keep getting deader and deader by the minute or is just that everyone is a sand bagger now?
odd schooner
The latter or everyone relaxing before the great grind
midnight heron
calm before the storm 
finite valve
at least they understand the important of d2 and open the whole map day 1
finite valve
this is for JP rerun
but unless they want a riot i doubt they going to change it for EN
odd schooner
vague token
odd schooner
sharp wing
modern tree
Hope youe enjoy/ed Hood shelling you for about 500 damage on def
lament lichen
modern tree
I found like one other Hood at 120 on def. I put Amagi against her and barrage shells legit just dealt like 430 damage, which is on top of half of them missing
her FP is low
I am not surprised, but I am still disapointed
Even more so because Tennessee has Heavy armour which means she would probably win in a fight if she didnt get barraged
hot creek
nah defending team has 100% proc rate, no need to worry about barrages not going off
vague token
i want to use tennessee cause debuffs but every 30 seconds is traaaash
shy hazel
ten kai soon
sharp wing
Might happen, same artist as hiryuu/soryuu
cerulean estuary
ep7 when?
blazing scroll
My guess it's ratio based
elder crane
I assume it's +300%,+300, in that order?
And is it +300% or ร300%?
Nvm, +300% ofc
And because of how reload formula works +300% +300 reload exactly halves reload time (but not animation delays and cooldowns)
[Reload time mult]=10/sqrt([reload]+100)
Replace reload with 4รreload+300
[New mult]=10/sqrt(4ร[reload]+300+100)
[New mult]=10/sqrt([reload]+100)/2
And so reload time is halved
if they implement buffs in other order that'll be hilarious cause it's obviously intended to work the way I gave above
With AL spaghetti code though it's very possible that the order was messed up
If it's a reload buff though none of the other timers should be affected
Which means Hood buff, Hiryuu invul, etc should effectively be lasting twice as long 
And ofc fires are quite nerfed then
Hmm, then it might actually be possible to have Hood fire fast enough to overlap her buff's timings
I don't think Enty can launch fast enough to get 100% perfect Evasion up
But this is weird, somehow I haven't really noticed this about skill timers?
If her barrage is on a 8s CD that might actually be the case
Oh lul RIP
Are all BB gun barrages on 12s internal CD?
elder crane
If some ships have internal cds and others not on their barrages,
And PvP Accel doesn't account for this
Then that's kinda a big deal, maybe
trim horizon
Has anyone already flexed a dev30 pr ?
elder crane
If all have cds that can come into effect, then barrage ships are a lot worse after time accel
midnight heron
not sure if im bugged but i tried using nepgun on nagato and she didnt even fire a single shot lul
shy hazel
youre cursed
midnight heron
hot creek
You cant whale your way into speeding up PR. Its all just luck and not sleeping. I probably couldve had a PR 30 by now if I focused on a single ship.
elder crane
cube researches
Can't just whale, true
But can whale
sharp wing
cube+coins can be whaled
raw osprey
the guy with dev lvl 30 monrach last week deff. whaled
silver root
cube whalin
vague token
o.O
silver root
sharp wing
hot creek
game gives you enough cubes to be able to spam cube comms without whaling. coins you can farm. if had unlimited access to both it wouldnt have helped me in the slightest bit.
regarding PR
sharp wing
In which world there enough free cubes for cube comms spam 
And get all event ships same time
hot creek
dafuq do you people do with your cubes? daily 10x construction?
sharp wing
Cause my friend whaled over 3k gems on some events just for cubes to get ships
That's just how rng works
wicked rivet
What is wrong with your friend
sharp wing
He was trying to get Naga...
wicked rivet
F
stark raft
Just pull all event ships you want with 40 cubes
sharp wing
I don't see any way for that to happen w/ f2p cubes
hot creek
stop doing 10x heavy constructions everyday and maybe you'll have enough cubes idk.
sharp wing
Lol
wtf you talking
I tell it's just rng
Can you have 500 cubes for each limited?
modern tree
I play since the servers were up on EN and I have never missed an event SSR with f2p cubes
wicked rivet
If we didnt have build events every week we could 
hot creek
honestly dont understand how people have no cubes. i dont even have the greatest luck or anything either just play the game, it shits out cubes
sharp wing
I played since server start and got all limited ships too without whaling single cube
But that's not the point
As i said some ppl just have bad rng
stark raft
Desire sensor
sharp wing
I also spent 800+ cubes in light to get Aurora
lament lichen
elder crane
I mean, wasn't there that guy who failed to get Essex in like 2k cubes
sharp wing
sharp wing
with limited coins for me only problem, not cubes
vague token
xD
stark raft
time to lurk before I get lynched
sharp wing
Well, i was lucky to get all
modern tree
Nep event was meant to clean you out tho. The pool and ratios were ultra garbage
lament lichen
only missed green heart but i only did the daily builds there
elder crane
like if you're on CN and have been playing for like 1.5 years with much fewer events than EN before PR released, then maybe you can argue F2P has more than enough cubes to spare
sharp wing
f2p cubes on EN + cube projects is just not a thing
elder crane
And coin is still potentially an issue for projects
sharp wing
Well, it always is
I've been doing free projects last 2 weeks
free/plates
and clear w11-12
elder crane
I did all free during Bis and a bit after too to regen reserves
sharp wing
I spent all cubes on Bis
elder crane
for all free, Q projects stall ship progress but their PR equip rewards are top-notch at least
sharp wing
I was down to 10 cubes few days during BiS
hot creek
cube projects and f2p are thing.
elder crane
if you're lucky and/or skip other content
sharp wing
So no shit i can do cube projects, lmao
lament lichen
dude inever get ship researchs for nep or monarch
hot creek
Ive like 500 cubes atm btw
sharp wing
You have good rng w/ limiteds so what?
elder crane
again, luck or skipped content
sharp wing
Doesn't mean EVERYONE has same
WTF is this about
I tell you again, i was down to 10 cubes during Bis
Ppl whale for cubes just to do limited, not talking about projects, lmao
How can you even have 500 cubes saved as f2p
elder crane
I went down to sub-50 and no coins by 3 days before end, cause I had bad luck with akagi-chan too
ehh 500 is possible with good luck
And that's with minor P2W on that too
sharp wing
I mean, i already skip Light and Special exclusive ships
If i start building for subs and light ships i will e at 0 cubes no time
I just do 1 daily build outside events
elder crane
oof
last time I got cleaned before Bis was Neps
sharp wing
Well, i built both Kizu and lolies, so that's why
elder crane
I even skipped the perma lolis
hot creek
skipped Kizuna
elder crane
I got all of the v2 lolis, which put me at around 400 cubes
which turned out to be fine cause I didn't have the coin to spend more cubes on Bis anyways
sharp wing
I also built wishing
hot creek
I dont think id ever whale for cubes or coin even if i did have money. the value is so bad. id probably whale for saint quartz sooner than cubes/coins.
sharp wing
800+ cubes in light = no Aurora, 2 cubes in wishing = Aurora
Not gonna hunt anything in light again ever
elder crane
I just go for the actually-good packs and stuff, no full-cost whaling
Most gems earmarked for guaranteed stuff, yeah
Pretty sure the % for each elite in light is lower than 0.3% now
sharp wing
And doing that w/ f2p cubes is well...
lament lichen
uh 616 6/10
elder crane
604 here
I can't play during half the resets right now, sadly
hot creek
If you have absolutely shit luck and need to rebuild cube stash after every single event then sure. Pretty sure someone with average luck can afford to spam cube comms without whaling though
611
sharp wing
If you skip limited builds sure
I had pretty good RNG since server start and rarely spent on limiteds over 180 cubes
hot creek
I only skipped collabs
vague token
605 X-x
sharp wing
maybe after we break out of original event runs and get to the reruns
I can spare some cubes
skipping collabs potentially can save you 200-500 cubes too
hot creek
game gives enough cubes that you wont have a defecit if you spam cube comm. but it wont let you save. ive been stuck at around 500
sharp wing
I've been stuck at 10 for few days during Bis
I bet if you didn't skip collabs, you would in same boat
hot creek
sharp wing
ppl whaled a lot on nep collab
sharp wing
You gonna sue shells tho?
hot creek
fucking finally
stark raft
Where the fuck is Centaur tho
modern tree
mid summer
sharp wing
We will have plenty of time after Iris before Anniv
modern tree
sharp wing
On CN/JP that "midsummer" event started 20th August...
vague token
wicked rivet
a few people
stark raft
Where are the dev 30 roons
finite valve
So what is the 152mm gun in core data?
Also is the shell a white or black one since the name is different?
sharp wing
black is shs iirc
finite valve
What about the gun?
sharp wing
what gun
finite valve
152mm mounted gun
sharp wing
I seen 381 get's removed
wicked rivet
""gun""
sharp wing
Haven't seen they add any gun
silver root
how does the 818 compare to cuda on hiryuu?
sharp wing
818 is for slow
modern tree
818 on Hiryuu should be bad unless you are running weird guns for your BBs that would shoot into the slow
vague token
lol
sharp wing
It'f to put on Akagi before kaga launches Ryuseis
silver root
i've seen it on akaga's on CN comps
finite valve
Lol either you guys can't read or I am blind the 152 mounted gun is literary below the shell lol
vague token
i freaking knew it
sharp wing
Where
finite valve
Below the 91 piercing shell
wicked rivet
no clue how the 152 is
modern tree
its in boxes
finite valve
Yeh sorry I got the placement wrong lel
silver root
oh it's the agano gun
elder crane
lolwut we get 1 shell only?
elder crane
which one is that again?
vague token
is it the crit shell or the damage shell
vague token
oh ok
finite valve
What about the piercing shell tho?
wicked rivet
ye
sharp wing
We get gold crit shell in core and purple n box
wicked rivet
elder crane
ah the +15 hit one
finite valve
Black she'll in boxes?
elder crane
time to expand analysis
sharp wing
well, ye
vague token
xD
vague token
i mean shell is only really amazing on biscuit
since it boosts her damage the most out of everyone in the game
sharp wing
I use it only on hood and DoY
vague token
and i havent done enough sub mission
elder crane
just 3 for me, but mostly enough
elder crane
They're on my subs 95% of the time
wicked rivet
cause crit chance + from bisquick
sharp wing
German fleet
PVP
elder crane
nah I expect shells to be subpar on most
elder crane
ppl will use it cause they don't know better
elder crane
whoah, bold to predict 3
sharp wing
silver root
throw it on pre-kai WS
wicked rivet
one of the people i know
elder crane
even there likely questionable
modern tree
Shells are great news for HMS because Shell on Warspite is like the best thing you can reasonably have and boosting FP on barrages before QE buff is pretty good
vague token
the crit chance shell still confuses me
like why would anyone ever run that
over crit damage shell
modern tree
I mean, raw FP is a prety good meme if you have buffs
elder crane
it offers more raw FP too when hit doesn't matter
elder crane
yep no hit stat but 70 FP instead
modern tree
stuff like this on Hyuuga or w/e is insanity
elder crane
vs 55 FP 15 hit, which is otherwise a better dist when hit matters
ehhh... not really
I expect to see SG being better still
oh for sure in there
modern tree
Double shell is generally a good meme if you are floating hit chance. Its just not that good for pvp cuz generally increasing low eva by a bit will do more than increasing high fp by a lot
elder crane
And also Hit isn't high enough in level-parity high-eva PvP
elder crane
3% critrate on 50% bonus dmg from crit is <1.5% averaged dmg increase
and that's a full 70
oh right I need to update stats for lv120 too
shell heron
wait... 29/30 exercises done for my weekly with 10/10 availiable
sharp wing
shell heron
I don't remember missing a match
vague token
uh oh
elder crane
Anyone know if the wiki stats are given as 100 aff or what?
vague token
they should be 100
sharp wing
My weekly is done so
vague token
from what i heard
sharp wing
100 aff unoathed
sharp wing
+6%
shell heron
I should have been done with my weekly, but guess I missed a match somewhere along the line
sharp wing
shell heron
what's your current points atm blue? I need a comparison
sharp wing
It's 100aff unoathed that's 100% sure
shell heron
or I'll just state mines and you tell me
614 10/10
elder crane
619 9/10, oof
I'm low too since I don't have the time avail to do full sandbag
something like 15 pts behind the top ppl
shell heron
This is gonna bother me. I can't tell if the game bugged and didn't count a match
or I really somehow forgot 1
hot creek
https://puu.sh/DLa0G/710f4d0031.png apparently I have 100 cubes in the mail lol
lament lichen
i believe you didnt miss a match
elder crane
it seems like you missed a match, since I'm higher score than you with 9/10 vs 10/10 and I'm behind the top players on sandbagging
unless maaybe if you didn't sandbag at all
lament lichen
last session i had 610 around this time
elder crane
darn need to rewrite enemy values too
but almost done modding my analysis for 120+shells
for now, it looks like the new best gen-purp setup is SG/Rudder (or HFCR/Rudder)
it's an even trade vs SG/SG, but SG/Shell > SG/SG, but Rudder/Shell < SG/Rudder
I'll need to finish up and think a bit more though
and I think SG/Rudder > SG/Shell on the tradeoff for a simplistic "1v1" strength
well maybe the double-SG meta is finally dead