pvp

[shy hazel]

vdir doesnt have a rerun v3

[waxen crater]

Okay okay

Where would I borrow an account

[zenith tundra]

hms is fine and will be better with ws kai

[lament lichen]

vdir is pernament on jp

[ionic magnet]

that is a sensitive matter so better just do it in DMs

[sharp wing]

they usually have 2 reruns before perma

[zenith tundra]

no yukikaze yet in builds

[shy hazel]

i know its perma

but jp doesnt have ykkz

as perma gacha

[waxen crater]

Hmmm

Yknow

[shy hazel]

only the old units

[waxen crater]

I don’t rly have any problems with pve

[sharp wing]

later then

[waxen crater]

Only pvp, but then again I can pass with HMS and pray warspite retro will save me

So I won’t buy anything

I’ll just like grind and die for a bit

Hopefully I don’t get burned out hehe

[shy hazel]

in the end if ur serious about pvp

youll cash for rings

[zenith tundra]

ws kai is best pvp unit until dr

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

ws kai is 2020 for En tho

[vague token]

essex plz

[waxen crater]

How do you know that

[vague token]

xD

[waxen crater]

Also isn’t Essex HMS?

ANOTHER OP HNS

Muahaha

[sharp wing]

no

[waxen crater]

I can wait

[lament lichen]

she is uss

[waxen crater]

Oh

Fuck

[sharp wing]

she is Wasd Friend

[waxen crater]

How do we know War kai will take until 2020

Also early 2020 or late 2020 😂

[shy hazel]

we dont even have sandy kai

nor we have bunny kai

if ws kai comes to en in 2019

[zenith tundra]

no one knows tbh but not till sandy kai is released

[shy hazel]

maybe its in decemer

or something

lol

[sharp wing]

Early winter at best

[shy hazel]

realistically i see it as 2020 too

[sharp wing]

december 2019-2020

[waxen crater]

Fair enough

But I can wait I suppose

HMS will live on within me

[vague token]

inb4 SURPRISE

xD

nice 120 meta you got there

it'd be a shame if something happened to it

[waxen crater]

Plus there will be new ships

Things will change

I mean I’ll never be able to field HMS or KMS so far

[zenith tundra]

depends on ships

[ionic magnet]

another hms slave is born

[waxen crater]

Where are my fellow brothers hehe

[sharp wing]

KMS is just sad

[zenith tundra]

bismark cannot save kms for being just passable in en

[sharp wing]

they need double their roster

[waxen crater]

Poor bis

At least I have the one girl who could save KMS

[sharp wing]

But there weren't much KMS ships overall

[waxen crater]

But kk tirpitz...

NoI

No*

[zenith tundra]

u need graf and fdg and most likely namagi fdg might still be better because u can use azuma as well

[waxen crater]

Okay so let’s just say no KMS either hahaha

[sharp wing]

Obviously

[waxen crater]

Anyways I’m gonna log off for the night and grind some more

Thanks for the help guys, I’ll bbl

[shy hazel]

hooloovoo and daxam

is hms slaves

[vague token]

spee/deutschland retro to Large Cruiser

do it

[shy hazel]

ask them for some memes

[zenith tundra]

now that cb is a thing wouldn't other ships belong there other then azuma?

[shy hazel]

i just go where the wind takes me

for now

ijn is still supreme

heavy investment on hms tho

[finite valve]

front hms is not really a must imo so not really a big investment

[sharp wing]

Weren't Alaska class Large Cruisers?

And we got their guns leaked iirc

[shy hazel]

well lets wish

they put other cbs in the game more

make cls and cas useless

heh

cbs is your best friend now

[sharp wing]

Also Scharnhorst actually should be CBs

[shy hazel]

well they can make retrofits

turn some ships

into cbs

like desuland

[sharp wing]

Well, turning main fleet into VG...

questionable

[shy hazel]

i dont think theyll do some adjustments

[sharp wing]

But as CBs they would be useful at least

[shy hazel]

vanilla wise

[zenith tundra]

look at yama and fusou

it can happen

[shy hazel]

if retrofit yes

but just turning them into cbs by using normal codes

prolly they wont do

remember

[sharp wing]

lol

[shy hazel]

the codes are spaghetti

and the devs are potatoes

[sharp wing]

Basically any ship w/ 300+ caliber gun can qualify for CB in AL

But from reality we might only get Alaska

unless some other PR

so only ijn prs known

[zenith tundra]

well azuma 1st skill says 280 maybe that would be the cut off point?

[shy hazel]

theyll be releasing more cb specific guns anyways

i can see them adding more in the future

by release or by refitting

[sharp wing]

They will be releasing Alaskas 305mm

But ship is uncertain

[zenith tundra]

who would even use that tho

without the ship

[shy hazel]

depending on implementation

it may make kms a little bit salvagable

and make uss gr8 again

i dont think kms will be good forever now

flagship is crap

[finite valve]

good for waifu so that's good enough lel

[waxen crater]

Oh yeah I forgot to ask... is the 356mm good on KGV or is it still trash? I was gonna use the 406 otherwise

[ionic magnet]

356 is better for pvp

for pve its still 406

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

For KGV 356 anywhere

[vague token]

tfw there's still low level nakagas

doing 0 damage lol

[waxen crater]

I thought the 356 was still utter trash

[wicked rivet]

not on kgv

[waxen crater]

That’s what my guild mates have told me

[wicked rivet]

on everyone else its shit

[waxen crater]

Like it isn’t worth it I hear

[wicked rivet]

are your guildmates in #pvp ?

no?

they dont know shit

[waxen crater]

Heh

True

[ionic magnet]

you want that early shots on 356

[wicked rivet]

^

[waxen crater]

Most are in top 5 for either wash or Lexington tho 😦

[wicked rivet]

that 8 second first barrage is good

[waxen crater]

Okay I’ll get it

Thanks hehe

[wicked rivet]

literally only on kgv tho

[waxen crater]

Also should I put hood or KGV as flagship

[wicked rivet]

on everyone else its still trash

[ionic magnet]

kgv needs flag to be optimal

any other hms dont really need flag

[wicked rivet]

doesnt she have flagship buffs or nah

idk what her barrage is like

[ionic magnet]

she doesnt have flag buff

[wicked rivet]

ah

only nagato and bisquick then

[ionic magnet]

well kgv barrage hits all 3 enemy backlines

[waxen crater]

Damn

[ionic magnet]

so might as well put her there

[wicked rivet]

true

[waxen crater]

HooLoo aren’t you an HMS enthusiast aswell

[wicked rivet]

and her barrage is probly better than hood's

I know daxam is an hms enthusiast

[ionic magnet]

kinda forced me to do hms cos nagato dont wanna come home

[sharp wing]

Her barrage is better vs Heavy

[ionic magnet]

[wicked rivet]

rip

[sharp wing]

Since big shells there have Torp modifiers

[waxen crater]

Welcome to the club

But hey, we just need to wait for Warspite

She’s our only hope...

[sharp wing]

WS Kai actually not HMS Only thing

[ionic magnet]

you say that

but ijn benefits more from her

[waxen crater]

Wtf

[trim horizon]

[waxen crater]

Literally how

[sharp wing]

You can literally run WS Kai w/ everything

[ionic magnet]

^

[waxen crater]

Fuck ijn

[wicked rivet]

when ws kai comes out she's going with my namagi

prepare to be rekt

[sharp wing]

WS Kai + foxes? EZ

[waxen crater]

Fucking bused devs ugh

I HAVE FOXES

That could work

[wicked rivet]

f x e s

[ionic magnet]

but atleast hms will be more reliable with warkai

[wicked rivet]

tru

[sharp wing]

Namagi w/ WS Kai needs 2 IJN vg tho

It's better sued w/ Azuma

[wicked rivet]

ibuki and yuki

ez

[trim horizon]

👉 Ibuki

[wicked rivet]

or

yuki and kawa

for torp memes

[sharp wing]

jin then

[vague token]

ibuki would be better post fate sim

probably

cause of the evade boost

[wicked rivet]

a lot better yes

15 luck vs 0 luck is a big difference

[sharp wing]

The question is, in what time you will haev maxed Ibuki w/ fate

[vague token]

well, it's 1.5 hit/evade difference

xD

[wicked rivet]

maxed ibuki in 7 years

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

probly in a few months tbh

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

few months?

You are high

[vague token]

i just hit dev 26 sanrui =D

[wicked rivet]

mine is 19 away from dev25

i wish I was high

[sharp wing]

Or you focus ibuki, lol

Most ppl will max 2 other PRs 1st

at least

more like 3

And then only come around Ibuki

[trim horizon]

well, it's not like Warkai is near so

[elder crane]

idk what you guys are on about 15 luck
it's a 1.5% hitrate and evarate boost, which is pretty meh
also a pretty minimal critrate boost, something like 0.3% iirc

it's not nothing but neither is it really that impactful

[sharp wing]

It's more about her fate skill

[elder crane]

yeah, that's defs the bigger effect

too bad it's not up all that often
though the timing on it, is decent I guess?

[sharp wing]

since she get's that effect right after opening torps

[elder crane]

it's up for opening torps and CV strikes

[sharp wing]

It's a bit of def vs opposite opening torps

[elder crane]

which I suppose also means it's up for Amagi 2nd barrage timing and Nagato 3rd

[sharp wing]

around that

[elder crane]

and ofc future torps too

hmmm, not that bad actually

[sharp wing]

quad gold torps will have 21-20 cd on her

[elder crane]

the timing on it past opening is basically like Enty's

[sharp wing]

more like 21+

[elder crane]

but yeah, I was talking about,
"15 luck vs 0 luck is a big difference"
yeah.... no

not insignificant but nothing huge

heck the spread on luck for non-PR PvP is 23 for amagi all the way up to 98 on ykkz

[sharp wing]

Amagi has low luck, but normal bb acc tho

[elder crane]

and I doubt many of you notice the difference between Amagi and Nagato shelling/survivability at 23 vs 71 luck
though they're not that comparable tbf
it's hard to find super-close examples :/

[sharp wing]

well, with armor difference it's hard to compare and base eva diff

Amagi as BC has higher base eva, so even w/ low luck

[elder crane]

the base eva for the two isn't much different
especially considering most of your eva will be coming from equip if you run full +eva equip

[vague token]

and bc gets more evade from fleet tech

[elder crane]

37 vs 41 at 120, base

[vague token]

unless they fixed that for us

[sharp wing]

At 120 it gets lower

[elder crane]

fleet tech isn't in PvP, should be fixed

it never was in at all for offense

[vague token]

i meant defense

[elder crane]

And Amagi has about same (insignificantly lower) Hit as Nagato

[sharp wing]

As i said, even w/ low luck, she has normal bb acc

[elder crane]

but we're talking a 5% base difference from that luck alone, on eva and hitrate, and a teeny bit critrate

[vague token]

i mean the crit rate is basically negligible lol

[elder crane]

a bit under 1%, yep

for amagi vs Nagato

on basis of only luck

but those rate diffs on PRs is something like a 5% boost at best, to damage+survivability, probably more like ~3%
which isn't nothing but is still small

after a back-of-envelope calculation I have to downgrade that to 2-2.5%

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

which is significantly less than the diff between oathed 200 and oathed not-200, to give an example

[vague token]

[buoyant parrot]

wow PvP seems fun, No one is moving

or prolly they have no more refresh coz keep getting Lv120 fleets

[vague token]

i have 2 +1s

the rest have been pushes but not enough point difference

[sharp wing]

I'm yet to see a 120 fleet on sandy

Only seen one 120 Jin

This is as close, as it gets

[shell heron]

I'm surprised Amagi is not 120 already. She is such a nice mob ship

and 2 +1s... I was lucky to get 1 this reset

[vague token]

i mean, i usually farm other ships

cause i was getting lots of ships to 100 xD

my highest are 118 cause i swap in pve a lot

[sharp wing]

I mean, i never sue maxed ships

[shell heron]

guess that's why I don't have the silver rose medal yet. I always use the usual group of ships

[sharp wing]

There too many waifus

[vague token]

im at 64/100 for gold rose

[shell heron]

Using maxed ships isn't bad, I'm very sure those 120 Juneaus out there is not because she is a good PvE ship

[vague token]

it is when you gotta 100 affection all the waifus

xD

[shell heron]

regardless, pvp is gonna be a bit chaotic until 120s become more common

[vague token]

at least a solo 120 isnt enough to force resets that much

[sharp wing]

i'm clearing with my full pvp fleet, oil commits unlife

[vague token]

i paused clear cause no money

oil going to gold comm

[shell heron]

I resorted to doing basic research because I needed to awaken my pvp comp

[sharp wing]

I tried to, but then gold sanrui projects me

[vague token]

what dev you at now =D

[sharp wing]

Tho i got 6 sanrui bps out of it, no regrets

14

I'm actually in need to lvl my pve ships...

[vague token]

oh

/dev 26

[steep fog]

people dont have 120 fleet cos they run out of gold

[vague token]

na i ran out of xp

[sharp wing]

i don't have exp

[vague token]

before gold

[sharp wing]

my max was 113 after awakening

[vague token]

xD

[steep fog]

im running out of everything

to farm 12-4

[shell heron]

I had 7 ships that can be level broken to 120. Only did 4 before I ran low on gold

[steep fog]

[shell heron]

4 of the ships ready are SSRs too so RIP gold

make that 5. I forgot 1

[sharp wing]

I will sit at 115 for a while

[steep fog]

at least I can auto 12-4 boss consistently now

[sharp wing]

Tho Sunday dailies may fix that

[steep fog]

time to run portkai in pvp

cos shes the highest lvl vg I have

[sharp wing]

my 107 chinawall facerolled 12-1 and 12-2 bosses, but i'm not gonna try 12-3 for now

[shell heron]

no make that 10 ships that can hit 120. I'll just do my pvp ones first

they will get the most value now

[steep fog]

chinaball running into dmg issue in 12-3 and 12-4

unless u have 120 backline

[sharp wing]

if i had 110 + chinawall

there will be no issues

[steep fog]

which backline are u running

[sharp wing]

hood dork

dork secures s rank usually

lusty also needs lvling

105

[vague token]

i think my ui glitched

current avrora leader has no name

lol

https://gyazo.com/cc9731d859f35eafe0d8d3635d3b8ca7

anyone know who this is?

xD

tried relogging

still blank

[lament lichen]

probably has a blank for his ign

seen that guy a few times

[shy hazel]

ppl think its cool

but very inconvenient

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

yea met that guy a few times

[sharp wing]

He's ded inside.

[modern tree]

I tried Warspite instead of Monarch for lulz and shes doing better than underdeveloped pr ship. I am not sure if I am surprised

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

Turns out bbs missing their mgm will lose you games no matter how strong their barrage is

[vague token]

15% efficiency and MGM+1 sounds like a lot

yeah

[modern tree]

And Warspite still consistently outdamages Hood, despite the fact that I didn't have gold to put her at 120

It's so strange to always come back to Warspite and have her carry my ass, every fucking stupid meta

It's almost like she's a good ship before retro

[vague token]

top stats and a non-rng barrage go a long way

[modern tree]

her stats are meme that happens to be really good in pvp

best luck and acc

[ionic magnet]

heh that confirms my disappointment on monarch

i'll stick to pve with her for now

[modern tree]

yeah, honestly, I changed only because Monarch that didnt barrage on every shot seemed to just sink without doing much

obviously when she did barrage on every shot, it felt alright

but I am not nearly this good at rng despite playing hms for this long

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

she cant be meta alone

with hms prolly

[ionic magnet]

shes p much an improved hood so i imagine she can be in any team tbh

anyone else getting the login rewards 1 hr after reset?

nvm they say its a bug

[midnight heron]

yup 2nd day already

[empty sinew]

it came with ch 12

monthly login resetting on DST time

[zenith tundra]

more dst bugs..

[shy hazel]

it shall never stop

[zenith tundra]

what's 2nd aux on saint louis in pvp with washing machine?

[modern tree]

boiler

or beaver/sg I guess

SG is probably pretty good with how hard her shells are gonna be hitting

[zenith tundra]

i'm going with sg

this is 10 attempts with saint louis. I only have a +8 mle rn so she can do better then this
https://imgur.com/a/6c7yhvT

also forgot toolbox on my hiryuu. rip her

[midnight heron]

anyone hav the link to some airstrike timing calculator

[odd schooner]

You're leveling her with toolbox right

[zenith tundra]

using her as solo cv backline in w9 so i use that as safety net. leveling her since she's 119 and also maxing her ring

[coral wren]

Daxxam, have you tried ws with monarch, instead of hood?

[modern tree]

no because Monarch sucks

at least my dev 25 monarch sucks

it's just not fun to roll the dice this much

[coral wren]

[modern tree]

lvl120 Hood is really good tho, would recommend

[coral wren]

Yeah, i'm surprised she does this much dmg at lvl 115 already

[midnight heron]

of all gold ib gear i get these 2 lul nice troll game

[modern tree]

This gun carries super hard on boss fights

prety meme in pvp tho

[steep fog]

took me 15 runs total

got her at the last run to safe sea

[odd schooner]

So are you gonna spam lvl there

Exp so nice

But don't have much oil

[steep fog]

im gonna bring lvl 90 prinz leip spee there to farm roon

[coral wren]

Farming with sharks is so costly, damn..

[white lichen]

Is this bad for pvp?
https://gyazo.com/57370bc7e58025e4adf8b07eee144fbf

[modern tree]

yes

[elder crane]

it'll work against other stuff that isn't serious

cause the ships aren't the terribad ones and they're high level

that's... about all I can say

[white lichen]

I wish i had kaga, so i could do nagato+kaga+akagi backline

[modern tree]

farm 3-5 harder

[white lichen]

fox mines my greatest fear

[modern tree]

Just do sub maps regularly. I genuinely got all the exclusive boss drops from sub maps by now

if you dont want to farm 3-4

Or work on your frontline instead because it will need a lot of help as well

[elder crane]

Well two of the main event ships to use for PvP, if you have them, are Amagi and Yukikaze

[white lichen]

i just dont want to farm fox mines because they dont give big xp gains

[elder crane]

Jintsuu is another generally good farmable, though not on the above two's calibre

and for PvP you really want Juneau in most teams

[white lichen]

to sacrifice her?

[elder crane]

Yep, pretty much any team not relying on burst (aka foxes) uses her, and even foxes sometimes uses her

even factional teams like Sakura or Royal teams

same with yukikaze, though ykkz's even more universal

[white lichen]

thanks for all information
I have yuki, amagi, nagato, so i think about making ijn fleet

[elder crane]

Hiryuu's nice and easy to get too, add in Juneau, add in something good for third VG and you have the current meta team

[white lichen]

[elder crane]

see the pinned doc for details :P

[modern tree]

Yeah, I was about to say, we have put together a sheet that should give you decent ideas about what ships to rise and how to gear them if you are interested in pvp

its in pins

[elder crane]

Hmm, we haven't added the PR VGs in yet?

oh just not for equip section

[modern tree]

I have been filling blanks in terms of HMS, dont know who curates other factions

[midnight heron]

anyone knows y u can hav differing fleet power even if u hav same gear same lvl same affection etc

[coral wren]

oath?

[midnight heron]

same affection bruh

no ring

[modern tree]

fleet tech

[midnight heron]

ic

forgot fleet tech exist

[modern tree]

Fleet tech numbers will display even if they shouldnt be applied in pvp

[coral wren]

But it shouldn't apply to attacking side tho?

[cerulean estuary]

fleet tech only applies on pve i think
"what is your name? "
"my name?"

[elder crane]

atm the bug should be patched and fleet tech shouldn't apply at all in PvP

though afaik that's not fully confirmed for EN

ah frick we don't have any CA guns in the doc yet

need to hunt for pics now

oh god the names
"Twin 203mm Prototype (No. 3)"
Twin 203mm (SK C/34)
Triple 203mm Prototype (SK C/34)
Triple 203mm Prototype (Mle 1934)

how the frick are we supposed to fit those names in

or shorten in then a way that makes sense

No.3
Twin SKC C/34
Triple SKC C/34
Mle 1934

maybe?

idk if the 2nd two fit actually

just barely sorta no

it overflows by like half a chara

I went for the "solution" of "Twin203" instead

seems like a good idea if someone can bother to do it since most of us are probably too lazy to

[modern tree]

Still mildly triggered that ship Analisis tab has "Available?" tab that just says yes for every ship when we could make it at least event the ship came from or something

honestly, we should collectively work on making formatting that makes sense and is consistent for the tabs

[elder crane]

So, change to "AVALIBILITY"
And write the event if applicable
The construction pool if cons-only
Map drop if map drop
PR if PR

etc?

[modern tree]

something like that, yeah

event acronyms for event ships

I dont want to interfere too much in formatting cuz its not my sheet and I am just feeding it info but damn some things there make no sense

[analog hare]

Perfectionist

[elder crane]

Nah I'm going for full event names cause it might be confusing otherwise

only ISSS is somewhat long anyways

I agree with that, idk why it wasn't that way to begin with

[modern tree]

All I want is for my HMS shilling to look good

[waxen crater]

HMS>Everything else

[buoyant parrot]

I'll fix the shit on equipments tab when I get infront of a pc

Ok

[elder crane]

#firstworldproblems
Having to use pearl on Juneau since the other two vanguards are too tanky

[modern tree]

Pearl on Juneau is pretty good for HMS

[vague token]

dear god this guy has 120 prinz

now that's dedication

[coral wren]

dedication to roon

[sharp wing]

Well, prime waifu

[modern tree]

People falling for the first SSR they see

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i mean, i like prinz' design but not enough to 120 her xD

[sharp wing]

WEAK

[vague token]

i think she's 99 atm

my CA heart is for minne ok

[sharp wing]

Ok, no.

I'm waiting till Port stops being siscon

[vague token]

that'll never happen

and i said i was delusional xD

[sharp wing]

But we know Mogamin is best girl.

[vague token]

im kinda surprised mogami doesnt have a skin

like minne's classroom skin is

where's mogami's? xD

[sharp wing]

Hey, hey. Carefully with those schoolgirsl

[vague token]

i know, touching is against school policy ;)

[modern tree]

skins depend on the og artist making them (unless its helena I guess)

[vague token]

ah

oh, mogami's artist did phoenix, prinz and a bunch of cruisers lol

xD

[sharp wing]

Well, mogami technically has retro skin

But apparently prinz more popular choice for art, since starter

[vague token]

no phoenix skin =/

=////

[sharp wing]

phoe needs wedding skin

[vague token]

yes plz

[sharp wing]

She works so hard

[vague token]

she looks good, is effective, decent personality

[sharp wing]

only Helena and Prinz getting all the love

[vague token]

and low cost

phoenix would be perfection if she could pvp

xD

[modern tree]

only Saru regularly makes skins for all his characters

[sharp wing]

Well, that depends on how projects artist work at a time too

Some artist like disappear at all

[modern tree]

Hoods artist is probably dead

rip

[sharp wing]

And some artists actually make their leaving from it (patreon donations etc.) for others it's just hobby/sidework

Yeah, SA gone missing for like 2 years now

[modern tree]

possibly just army draft, shit like this takes forever

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

but yeah, 2 years without a word

[vague token]

oof

[sharp wing]

Almost forgot, it's reset in 15 mins

[coral wren]

That's funny how many there are garbage fleets rn because ppl think bringing 115+ lvl shit boats will do better than 110 meta ones

[modern tree]

I've seen teams sub 110

I have no idea whats going on

[leaden sequoia]

Amagi deviously smiles while enjoying the magnificent view of a naked Mogami in bath, 2019

[vague token]

[raw osprey]

[stone grove]

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Perhaps centaur is indeed a better option than qe... but i guess in order to match timings you need to take off hoodguns and place 410?

Can anyone who plays on jp confirm this?

[sharp wing]

more like 406

[coral wren]

Oh man, that sucks then

[sharp wing]

Unless you want to run her w/ like 2 messers

She can probably buff w/ her 1st launch second barrage of 381s

since it's 8 sec long buff

[modern tree]

yeah, the only strat with centaur is really making her launch late enough for the BBs to catch the tail end of the buff

[sharp wing]

So like double Hellcats something

[modern tree]

but you could just shoot 2 shots with 15% more FP without doing dumb things

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

It would only ever be worth it if plane suicide damage pushes you into kill ranges on second bb barrages

[sharp wing]

But using HMS CV without QE also pointless

tbh

if you compare damages

[modern tree]

QE damage is not really relevant if shes completely disposable heavy armour tank that makes your entire backline at some ships from vg tougher on top of being an efficend dps buff due to combined reload and fp buffs

[sharp wing]

might just slap there Enty or Sara

[modern tree]

Honestly, Cent, QE and Monarch/Hood is probably good

but ditching QE is a no no

[sharp wing]

Well, Cent + QE can work

But without QE idk

[coral wren]

I just don't know if it's an ok to trade a second barrage for a cent

[modern tree]

and then you have Warspite to consider which makes it even tighter

[coral wren]

Like, monarch is your right arm, hood is your left

But ofc in the end ws kai will replace either of them

[sharp wing]

I have so much shit to uncap, i wouldn't even bother trying all

Would have enough for 3 pvp fleets

well, main fleets at least

Tbh Cent more suited for Wasd, lol

[coral wren]

Sometimes i wonder why ijn is so repulsive to me even tho this game is a huge weeb magnet

[sharp wing]

Since core Wasd is low, ofc

But you can time 1st air strike w/ 406

So it really works

[modern tree]

I mean, you could do that, but you could just run Helena Enterprise with 406 like a normal person

[sharp wing]

Normal person runs WasdA

[coral wren]

does still work tho?

[modern tree]

I do not actually think they do, but I guess opinions

[sharp wing]

Well, i used till 120

WasdA is better, than WasdE by far

[modern tree]

I guess Amagi makes it so you can run something other than Helena

but it's likely not better

[sharp wing]

It's just regular side barrages setup

[coral wren]

wash barrage dmg is just non existent, and painful to watch

[sharp wing]

It actually pretty good

vs med armor

[modern tree]

wash barrage damage happens post helena debuff and enterprise suicide plane damage also does

[sharp wing]

Well, i run Wasd comps since wash release till now

Might get back to it, when i have resource to uncap them

[modern tree]

Okay but Helena

[sharp wing]

WasdA is tier above WasdE

Helena doesn't live there

It died w/ Enty

[modern tree]

she doesnt need to

if she procs on first 20 you probably won

[sharp wing]

You don't need helena to win

also her rng too high

[modern tree]

60% is not low

[sharp wing]

You push yrself into more resets

[modern tree]

look

we can keep arguing about this

[sharp wing]

I mean, have you run Wasd a lot?

[modern tree]

yes, I was the person pushing wasd amagi from day 0

[sharp wing]

I did same

I think i was only person here using Wasd till summer, lol

[modern tree]

trust me, I played wasd a lot and for a long time

and I am still like 70% sure the best comp you can make with them is just full RNG fuckery with Helena and watch the world burn

[sharp wing]

lol

TBH, they least rely on vg

[modern tree]

I like Amagi but shes slow af, boring to watch and prone to just lose because you missed shots

Enterprise is a CV which helps a lot with shelling RNG, she has the same chance to proc that Amagi has on barrage, and most importantly, comboes cleanly with Helena just like both Wash and Sodak do

[sharp wing]

Still works better, than Enty

Going back from Amagi to Enty felt really bad

[modern tree]

nobody played wasd with Helena at like halfway into the wasd meta because Eldridge was just the meme

and then nobody has ever tried it again

[sharp wing]

I never used Eldridge

only on def fleet for lulz

[coral wren]

I was kinda expecting helena retrofit to see if wasde could make it return in some way

but they did z and leip

radar gives 100% dmg bonus?

[sharp wing]

Why you think she's getting retro?

[coral wren]

Would be hilarious, but since only ijn are allowed to have good ships now, my bet is they give her something useless for pvp and questionable for pve

[modern tree]

someone from yoyostar said they are getting art for her retro afaik

[sharp wing]

we won't get it anyway

in a year

If they even din't give us z1 and Leip as part of Cn anniv

[modern tree]

but looking at recent retros, bisquit, kgv and uss chibis, they are trying to scale back on the power creep, so helena retro will probably be not much more than pure stats, whcih is still good but skills are better

[sharp wing]

Koln and Karls retros even as stat boost were not what we wanted

[modern tree]

I love Koln retro

the problem is that putting any effort into an asw fleet is totally wasted

[sharp wing]

I mean, i wanted them to boost their MG, but they slightly boosted their already top tier AA and their mediocre torps

KMS w/ ijn torp bias, but w/ AA

[finite valve]

first choukai drop

let see how long it took me to get 5 or 7 copies

[coral wren]

Why is everyone so hype about her? Isn't she just another mediocre clone of atago/takao?

[finite valve]

her buff is along the line of monti buff abit more "useless" since most best CL CA don't use torp

unless you count PR in lel

[languid fjord]

but she's Mogami's best friend

[finite valve]

i said most not all lel

[leaden sequoia]

I see people mostly view her as support for MogKai and Ibuki

[finite valve]

i would never pair her to sup ibuki

i rather use kagero

passive buff > a chance to buff

i think fishy + kagero would work

also 12-4 is still good exp over all

so not really a bad thing to re farm 12-4 for copies

the oil tho

[sharp wing]

Choukai is just good girl

[languid fjord]

so I came here to find some info about PvP meta.. and I'm not seeing anything in the pins, so may as well ask...
Any recomendation against Nagato Amagi Hyriuu? Currently running Nagato + Akaga; Belfast (tanking) Yukikaze Jintsuu

[finite valve]

having thought about whether i should marry choukai

marry tacao and atago already

[languid fjord]

I do have Amagi and Nagato, could build Hyriuu, but dunno if they work well as ofensive against other comps.

[sharp wing]

I'd marry choukai over other tacos, but also she has no oath skin...

[finite valve]

tbh any comp that is not t2 and below can win vs that cancer

[languid fjord]

Dunno if there's any vanguard that can make a diffence tbh

[finite valve]

VG is not going to make any diff

most dps come from the back line

[languid fjord]

I have Belfast with the pearl

but who would replace Juneau?

[finite valve]

belfast only good vs foxes

not really vs cancer

jesus and YKK are non replaceable

unless you don't have them max

[languid fjord]

So keep Yukikaze and Jintsuu, and swap around Blefast and Juneao depending of vs foxes or rabbit?

[finite valve]

which server are you in?

[sharp wing]

I'd rather just run Bel Jun Ykk

No need to swap anything

[languid fjord]

and for vanguard keep Nagato + Akaga? I have Amagi, but don't know who could be a 3rd main fleet besides hyriuu

[finite valve]

on off you better off just use nagato / amagi + foxes

VG is depend on what you have

YKK + jesus is none replaceable

[languid fjord]

Nagato against foxes and Amagi against Amagi/Hyriuu?

[finite valve]

so that leave 3 slot flex

[languid fjord]

who are Jesus and VG? xD

[finite valve]

i use amagi foxes and still can win vs cancer on daily basic

[sharp wing]

VG = Vanguard

[languid fjord]

oh yeah, read the joke on YWIS TL

[finite valve]

3 slot is up to you tbh

is just flex pick

[shy hazel]

jun is jesus

[sharp wing]

waifu pick

[shy hazel]

its not a meme

[sharp wing]

probably

[shy hazel]

@vague token

memer begone

[sharp wing]

lol

I see a lot of NamagiEnty tho

But Sara is rare even in random comps

[leaden sequoia]

weak flex

how about 5 comets

[shy hazel]

because enty is easy to level grind

so ppl using her again

[leaden sequoia]

also Enty's reputation as a powerhouse since the beginning of the game

while Sara only got her upgrade recently

[sharp wing]

I got 9 comets and even using one

[leaden sequoia]

not enough hype

[shy hazel]

id rather wait for essex

[languid fjord]

btw, do you happen to know if the % extra damage based on lvl difference also applies in pvp?

[shy hazel]

1 or 2 months left

[finite valve]

yes

essex + taihou

[languid fjord]

guess I'm doomed for the next months then lul

[shy hazel]

lvl different is very big

[finite valve]

my PP is so hard just thinking about them

[shy hazel]

difference*

[finite valve]

not to mention taihou skin

[shy hazel]

even 5 levels apart can make u win alot easier

thats why gotta grind to 120 faf

but im feeling lazy

lol

[finite valve]

been farming YKK + sirius these 2 days

fucking hell

[sharp wing]

tiehoe skin

Sirius L2D

[languid fjord]

can taihou go with Nagato and someone else for Pvp? im EN only but I saw her design...

[finite valve]

ain't happening

[shy hazel]

if hiryuu doesnt come before or shortly after taiho

youll see alot of Hos in pvp

i dont know if i want to invest to thtat ho

tbh

feels like a waste of time

[sharp wing]

well

[languid fjord]

taihou?

[finite valve]

well i am going to ring her either way

[sharp wing]

Do it for tiddies

[finite valve]

too much of a waifu not to

same with essex

[sharp wing]

Man of Culture

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/laPpeZm.jpg

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

@languid fjord https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/7/78/TaihouPartyJP.png

her skin

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Taihou#Forbidden_Feast

[languid fjord]

I'm a pleb

[finite valve]

i like sticking my D into crazy

so yeh

[languid fjord]

I'll wait for her to get a wedding skin

[finite valve]

doubt we going to get it that soon

[sharp wing]

Taihoe is extreme yandere....

[languid fjord]

Nagato Taihou Akagi it is then

[sharp wing]

After 2 months that is

• how fast you can 120 Ho

[languid fjord]

whats the 2 months estimation based on?

[finite valve]

consider i already marry 2 out of 4 of them i don't see why not lel

[sharp wing]

Taihoe is Anniversary thing

Implying Roon is yandere and not pshyco

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

close enough

[languid fjord]

oh, makes sense

but Oni-chan is pure, no yan

[finite valve]

EN anniversary is almost here anyway

around august

[sharp wing]

What Kaga and Mogami doing there tho

[leaden sequoia]

not Mogami though

[languid fjord]

wasn't EN release in July?

[finite valve]

i sort SR + CV and CA

[leaden sequoia]

I think Hatred was talking about Junyou and Taihou

[finite valve]

so mogami just happen to be there

[leaden sequoia]

as 2 out of 4 left

[finite valve]

i have too many shit in fav

[leaden sequoia]

of yan

in AL

[languid fjord]

oh ok

[finite valve]

this man get it

[leaden sequoia]

[sharp wing]

Most yanderes are Atago in love and Akaga, then Taihoe

[finite valve]

atago is too tame compare to those 4 tho

[languid fjord]

DD yan when

[finite valve]

also i am not going to marry junyou

[sharp wing]

I still don't see 4 tho

[finite valve]

not worth the ring due to how useless she is lel

unless she get a kai

[leaden sequoia]

Atago in extreme love ||and PTSD after seeing Takao die|| was depicted in parka's manga, so I guess?

[finite valve]

just going to stay as child hood friend

[leaden sequoia]

o, lel

[finite valve]

infinite hiatus work

the guy stop updating

sad

[leaden sequoia]

I have a feeling the guy understood that the plot is going to a dead end, so he stopped

and maybe recoup and collect new info for new plot

[finite valve]

[leaden sequoia]

or even fix the existing one

[finite valve]

useless SKK who can't keep her boat in check

what a pleb

just throw them in the sex dungeon

[sharp wing]

[leaden sequoia]

[sharp wing]

You need a bit of Sandy in yr life

[vague token]

@balmy torrent i actually swapped off of comet because i found out that bomb size affects base hit rate

smaller bombs arent just smaller

they have a lower hit rate

because lol balance

im using fairey and a btd atm

id like to run double btd or double fairey firefly

[sharp wing]

Did you actually try double helldiver?

[vague token]

double hecc diver is sooooo slow

and you lose dot damage

[sharp wing]

due to long flood duration, you won't lose much

[vague token]

im already down an aux since i run RWG so i need every point of aviation i can get

also means less vanguard buffing

[sharp wing]

Also due to raw helldiver power, you will actually have more damage

[vague token]

depends on how the match goes

also with more hp having better burn damage earlier will become more valuable cause 120

double hecc diver pushes it back at least 3 seconds

which is a full tick

[sharp wing]

You exaggerating too much there

[vague token]

well yeah, if i didnt id just use hiryuu

;)))))))))

there's no reason to use sara for anything besides her skills, if im gonna go pure plane damage i might as well swap to hiryuu

or owari da

[sharp wing]

I mean, i wouldn't use Wasd, if i had bad winrate vs cancer

[vague token]

who both directly scale off of plane damage

sara is unique in that she scales off of aviation

not plane damage

and vanguard damage

since she boosts that too

[sharp wing]

vanguard damage in pvp... well

[vague token]

the other perk of earlier take off is that i can sometimes line up with ykk torps

and once saint louis is 120 dev 30

that's a lotta damage

but yeah

[sharp wing]

If Sara had not homing torps on skill, maybe it would be worth

[vague token]

if im going to use heccdiver, id just swap to enterprise

who literally scales with plane damage

[sharp wing]

Not to use helldivers

[vague token]

but it's fine

essex is soon (tm)

[sharp wing]

but you just lose global pressure

[vague token]

not really, you only need 1 of those torps to tickle ykk

[sharp wing]

slotting weak planes there

[vague token]

i mean, im not using her for spike damage

[sharp wing]

i mean, you sue her for pure lulz at this points

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

like i said

if i want bomb damage

ill just swap to enterprise

the pinnacle of raw bomb damage

or hiryuu for the lol

(although sara's base hp is quite high)

although it's more like hiryuu has 0 base hp

xD

if only there was like a single 2k gold dive

that was fastish

so i could max my base hit

[sharp wing]

Well, if WoWs managed to fix their CVs and give us CV and planes...

[vague token]

;))))

or they could just introduce an event with new planes

[sharp wing]

Next event we get another gold shitplane

So i don't expect much from regular events

We can only hope for Gold german plane

in future

[vague token]

X_x

[sharp wing]

Since major factions got 1 gold

[vague token]

i guess by the next new major event we'll probably have taihou and essex

so

w/e i guess

[sharp wing]

Or Royal Bomber

Aside from firefly

But i doubt

Well, we should have 1 event more in July

[vague token]

i meant a new one

[sharp wing]

We still need Iris Libre

[vague token]

does iris have plane gear?

xD

[sharp wing]

And we shall get Cent summer event before Anniv

[finite valve]

no

[vague token]

yeah i figured

i dont think france even had carriers lol

[sharp wing]

Iris have baguettes

[vague token]

but they have big DD guns

[sharp wing]

They didn't have capital ships overall

[vague token]

i suppose ill try heccdivers again once 120s are all smoothed out

atm it's just pure chaos

[sharp wing]

Well, allied ones

[vague token]

although i feel like im the only one with a high level saint louis (even though this is not true)

none of the rushers have her lol

yesterday i think i saw one saint louis in top 100 at like 90ish

[sharp wing]

rushers rather use Siri

w/ their foxes

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[leaden sequoia]

not even Siri, just full on torpmemes

[vague token]

ill show them all

114 sanrui dev 26 atm

[finite valve]

sanrui is just good to have

not must

same with all the PR tbh

[vague token]

i mean she's still busted cause PR CA

[finite valve]

not like you can't win vs sanrui anyway

[vague token]

i dont think they'll ever be able to add a t0 level CA in pve lol

[finite valve]

good as she is a lone sparrow can't make spring

[vague token]

because azuma, roon, and saint louis are all godlike

if only we got shark retros to Large Cruiser T_T

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

Oh, Ires Libre (free france navy) actually had CV Bearn, which never actually launched her aircraft in combat and was jsut aircraft trasnsport, lol

[vague token]

xD

did she have the capabilities to launch for combat?

gimme dat wwii history

;)

[leaden sequoia]

considering GZ is in the game, then why not

[vague token]

owo she has big CL guns

[sharp wing]

155mm

pre retrofit

[vague token]

looks like she'd be similar to centaur

12 torpedo bombers, 8 fighters, and some recon planes

maybe more like ark

but with a fighter instead of a dive

Torp/Torp/Fighter

+Torp and +All for Limit Breaks

maybe

not that it's important to have a french cv cause there's no french buff

[sharp wing]

Well, if Iris Libre could work w/ Vichia

There actually o lot of potential in Vichya Dominion

If we get more events

[vague token]

=D

[sharp wing]

Also we be getting Richelieu in future and she served during World War II, first on the Vichy Regime side. In 1943 she switched to the Allied side. We are supposed to get her on Iris Libre, but idk

Some event can be made out of that

[vague token]

oh boi

hmm, i wonder if the base hit rate is different on the different torpedo types

[sharp wing]

You mean by size

Tbh, they could make "thiccer" torps had higher acc too, following their avi bomb logic, lol

[vague token]

oh i meant the aim vs cuda

but yeah size too i guess

[vague token]

ooh finally some movement

xD

[coral wren]

i'm at 7 and the lobby is ded

[shy hazel]

we dont need gold planes

we need rainbow planes

rainbow helldiver

[vague token]

inb4 all rainbow planes are exclusively siren planes

[shy hazel]

f43s

typhon nuclear bomber

[vague token]

personally i really want those attack helicopters

that stay on screen

and attack repeatedly

until killed

xD

[coral wren]

ur jet prototype would be neat

[vague token]

basically i want a new attack pattern for plane equips

wont happen T_T

[shy hazel]

theres already a jet prototype in the game

in a way

its the purple plane in the core shop

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

9/10, list all 100+ and 0 movement...

And there even foxes

[shy hazel]

new content released

120 and new map

some ppl grind

some ppl skip pvp cos lvl gap

dead season

[sharp wing]

I mean, ppl of same rank as me, cannot skip

whatever

[ionic magnet]

remember its always a dead season

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

I just remembered how i hate namaryuu mirrors

[shy hazel]

alot of "veterans" are quitting en pvp actually

the fact that i top 10 2 times with 1-3 lost charges

my other top 10 i din lose any

but top 9

now i lose charges im still like top 4

[sharp wing]

It's waifu pve collector anyway

I mean, i didn't even expect pvp

Idle games has more competitive pvp

[vague token]

i mean

for me

AL is an idle gacha

i can be idle or active

reminds me of realm grinder but with waifus

xD