pvp

[finite valve]

all the dps are the back line

[zenith tundra]

u need 120 evasion

[finite valve]

never said she was a good tank

[cerulean estuary]

i have full 110 kms backlines ( bisko , tirpitz and graf ) but i havent had dev 25 roon

[finite valve]

compare to sanrui anyway

[hot creek]

need rudders

[cerulean estuary]

then 120 came along... was planning to 200 aff them

plan ruined

[modern tree]

I mean, if she is not a good tank, then she will never ramp up her skill, and that means she isnt doing much of anything being on the team

[zenith tundra]

u can test with typical vg. i don't think roon is 100% required

[finite valve]

i am going to oathed all of the PR anyway

and yes i already oathed all the KMS back line

at least for SR anyway

zeppy and the 2 shark sisters are so so

[modern tree]

Rings for Izumo and Ibuki

[zenith tundra]

u oath ships u like

like ring on vampire

[finite valve]

ain't that the truth

vampy wedding skin is meh tbh

same with yamashiro

her paid skin are so much better

[hot creek]

if 120 comes along sooner than later, the only 120 team id have ready right now is HMS

[zenith tundra]

120 should be by the end of the event next week

[finite valve]

i am either going for foxes or just cancer wall

might change to cancer if we have bunnies kai

which i doubt

[cerulean estuary]

i hope they delay the 120 till next week , so little time to store 2m exp for pvp ships

[finite valve]

just spam 11-4 kappa

[zenith tundra]

unless a lot of ppl have 120 already it won't really matter

[hot creek]

120ing VG gon be pain in the ass

[modern tree]

I use Vampire on my fleet every day, couple of times a day. This ring has infinite value compared to oathing second grade barrageboat that you will never use and i-wish-i-was-ayanami-armpit-girl

[vague token]

xD

that's a new one

[finite valve]

well if you into manual

who tf play manual lane on my auto lane?

[modern tree]

I auto Vampire

[zenith tundra]

u can auto whatever ship

[ionic magnet]

vampire

[finite valve]

@zenith tundra i dare you to auto lane bullin + purrin on 11-4

[zenith tundra]

those aren't ships

[finite valve]

yes they are

if they can be sortie and can gain exp yes they are

[zenith tundra]

for all purposes they are lb materials. anyone who uses them in any other way has some screws loose

[finite valve]

i can think of a few ppl you use them on w13

yes you hear me w13

[modern tree]

my Vampire is very useful and very important to me

[finite valve]

they ain't so pussy to stop at w11

[zenith tundra]

literally any dd works

[modern tree]

Yes, and shes not just any DD, shes Vampire.

[finite valve]

feel like this has turn into a waifu piss off contest lel

[zenith tundra]

if u want to justify a ring because u use her as a dd go ahead

[cerulean estuary]

hehe chill out guys

[zenith tundra]

any other dd would work

[vague token]

other dds dont get sustain for free

;)

[zenith tundra]

some without rings too

[ionic magnet]

vampire is cool and all but you decided to shit on armpit goddess

[finite valve]

implying that AI can hit single aimed torp like 99% of the time

they even miss mag torp

[modern tree]

and yet she's on my fleet and at lvl 110 while any other DDs rot in my dock cuz they arent Ykkz

[hot creek]

all you just wait until dear Victorious gets a retro then my oath decisions will be best

[finite valve]

lusty > vicky

fact

[cerulean estuary]

will bismarck get a retrofit? coz in KC she has one

[zenith tundra]

maybe by the time they run out of other bad ships

[vague token]

biscuit just needs low hp transformation mode

like stooooory

;))))

[finite valve]

i think pudding going to get a kai before her tho

sakura might be takao or atago

dk about US tho

most US ship are already good

[cerulean estuary]

ur so mean to bisko

everyone is so hype on her , when shes not around / build

then suddenly when here skill / barrage sucks ., many jump off her ship

sad story

[finite valve]

nah i already oathed her

[zenith tundra]

she was a meme so everyone expected too much

[modern tree]

I am glad I didnt care then and I care even less now

[finite valve]

meme or most hype / popular boat?

same with yamato or iowa

[modern tree]

now make Iowa into a loli so everyone quits AL forever and I just play with myself

[finite valve]

iowa (a USS) a loli?

press [X] to doubt

[cerulean estuary]

well lets hope , they change the barrage or add another skill when she get retrofitted

hopefully.... someday......

[leaden sequoia]

inb4 Yamato hype actually justified because IJN

[modern tree]

yeah why not, USS needs a loli flagship, all ofther major factions have one

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

german don't have one tho?

[modern tree]

KMS is not a major faction

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

Make both iowa and yamato lolis with garbage kit like pows

[finite valve]

if anything i say yamato is sure to be a loli

[cerulean estuary]

i think yamato will be like a MILF figure rather than a LOLI type

[finite valve]

iowa skill set i say either just buff AA or skill set like bunker hill at best

[coral wren]

I'm also surprised they didn't make montana a pr2 uss bb

[zenith tundra]

@modern tree u don't use at all cassin downes?

[ionic magnet]

lolis can stay as mascots with trash skills for all i care

[modern tree]

no, the only DDs I use are ykkz, Javelin, Vampire and ayanami to cheese the daily

every other DD might as well not be in the game

[cerulean estuary]

ironically LOLI's are part of every gacha games

[finite valve]

hey you must cater to all the fetish out there to make a great game

[coral wren]

Well, pedos do whale afterall

[vague token]

they spend the big money

[cerulean estuary]

japanese torPEDO's

[finite valve]

well where do you think they can express their love for loli legally?

[coral wren]

In middle east

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[cerulean estuary]

its a sad and different story in middle east , too sensitive to talk / argue about

[coral wren]

sad for an underage, that's for sure

[shy hazel]

does it matter

loli or not if uss has a better flagship

then wtv

ppl who prioritize looks over usability

[coral wren]

What if their flagship will be a cv

[finite valve]

accusing ppl to not prioritize looks over usability in a waifu game

you don't say?

[ionic magnet]

well ideally you want both

[shy hazel]

u in #pvp

[vague token]

[finite valve]

hey i can win pvp using whatever fleet just fine

if i am into reset hell

[modern tree]

I actually bought a skin for Eldridge back when we were in Enterprise meta cuz I cant stand looking at her default sprite and chibi

its important

[zenith tundra]

does look even matter in the slightest outside of looking at a pic when secretary?

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

well you can install / make nude mod and fap to it

[shy hazel]

it doesnt for me wtv

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather not be banned

[ionic magnet]

i can only look at lolis for so much and not get bored kek

[shy hazel]

if i can use it ill use it

esp if its better than others

[cerulean estuary]

well im 70% oppai 30% lolis

wanna see my figure collections?

[finite valve]

||does it count if i am into 100% loli / oppai if the genre is NTR / raped?||

[modern tree]

how are the scores on not Sandy? I wonder how far behind my precious server is with 2338 at 5/10

[finite valve]

i can't stand figure tbh

might be due to the smell of plastic

[cerulean estuary]

hehe this plastics figure make my stress go away

[finite valve]

just go read some sad panda for me

[finite valve]

man of culture i see

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/laPpeZm.jpg

[ionic magnet]

im at 2333 5/10

bonus pts are so hard to come by

[finite valve]

oh pls you should try avrora to get bonus point

[modern tree]

I just got +2 this reset

[finite valve]

almost non existence

[modern tree]

you guys should try being good

[finite valve]

dead season

[ionic magnet]

yea im in avrora

[finite valve]

i thought you was talking about sandy

[lament lichen]

+1 so far

[finite valve]

lel

well i am done rushing anyway

[cerulean estuary]

vysaga whats ur points

[lament lichen]

i should be at 2345 if i go to 5/10

im at 2305 9/10

[modern tree]

I played down to 5/10 cuz I will be going to bed and not like I can get any more bonus points this reset with how far I am ahead

[ionic magnet]

i cant get more than +1 for like 3 days now

feelsbad

[zenith tundra]

does no one rush aotn?

[ionic magnet]

im getting the non rushers i guess

[zenith tundra]

u usually get some pretty good bonuses from that

[vague token]

i got like a +2 the reset where aotn is available

some +1s

[finite valve]

depend on your luck on the list tbh

[vague token]

but i was already down 3 games

so there was a large gap

[modern tree]

because of this season now I can without fail tell which names will give me points and which wont this late

also pretty sure I am 4 points ahead of the only person that was still in range to threaten me so see me at nr.1, taking over Phoenix for one season

[finite valve]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

phoenix has been defeated? le gasp

jk

[modern tree]

he slept through his alarm after neeting for 24hours

[finite valve]

[vague token]

oh that's right he said that

rip

[hot creek]

feelsbadman

[vague token]

=(

[finite valve]

well that what you get for being an abusive mind to your body

learn from your mistake young padawan

[trim horizon]

[hot creek]

no u

[vague token]

gasp

[finite valve]

[vague token]

lol

[shell heron]

So I didn't take a loss earlier when I autoed my match earlier after all

It would have been a stupid way to lose

[vague token]

woo!

[finite valve]

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[odd schooner]

@meager dawn

@cerulean estuary you gonna try harder this season?

[meager dawn]

[shy hazel]

found my place to farm

w11

last pr shall be mine soon

[vague token]

i just got columbia

but the xp farm never ends

[shy hazel]

it will never end

still got lvl 120

[vague token]

T_T

[shy hazel]

in fact lvl 120'ing whole pvp team is harder than pr farming

imagine jun hiryu

[vague token]

eh, namagi can just carry them

[shy hazel]

what

u gon farm 120 in pvp?

nice meme

[vague token]

no in 11-4 lol

im just using the full pvp fleet

6 fights for them

1 boss for another fleet

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

what a waste of oil

[vague token]

eh, it isnt that bad

helps vanguard get xp easily enough

[shy hazel]

i can do 11-4 mobbing

with just 3 ships

amagi port akashi

tho safe lvl

[vague token]

i mean ok, so then you'd have to swap everyone in/out xD

im more concerned with time not oil

[shy hazel]

we have a saying

time is oil

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

tho if your oil runs out

dont bother rushing

actually port is still annoying

maybe i should just use phx again

[vague token]

i still have around 6k oil

[shy hazel]

13k oil

still not sure if tis enuf for izumo

im prolly

gonna be a day late

[vague token]

ah

but yeah basically im too lazy to manage mvp

so id rather just have everyone at same time

makes it easier when you gotta carry juneau xD

not like mvp ever goes away from nagato unless no procs

[shy hazel]

its what u think

non mvp gets like what

960-1000 exp in w11

u get 6-7k per whole run

thats about 70 oil

how many runs do u have to do to reach 2.4m for 120

tis tilting me

the oil inefficiency

there is a new bigger problem tho

i dont have sandy at 110 even to do w12

[vague token]

yeah, how many runs do i gotta do

if i run 3 at a time again?

[vagrant veldt]

pre retro is at most usable but usually unnecessary

[shy hazel]

backline mvp nets u 3.8k per run

x6 or 7 depending on map

23k exp per run

so about 110 runs

to reach 120

[vague token]

so id have to do 330 runs

[shy hazel]

i mean

2.4m

[vague token]

and then more for vanguard

[shy hazel]

thats for backline

[vague token]

yeah

so if i add ALL of that, is it comparable?

[shy hazel]

frontline mvp i think is only 2.8k

its not even comparable

because if u add in the oil costs

goodluck doing 330 runs in a month

[vague token]

cause it's like

i either train 1 at a time

[shy hazel]

itll take u like 6 months

[vague token]

or 3 at a time

[shy hazel]

assuming no event to do

[vague token]

or 6 really

since mvp focus is just 1 at a time really

[shy hazel]

it even more logical to do 7-2

to do 1-1

[vague token]

that'll take way too many runs when i cant micro the game that often

[shy hazel]

if youre gonna farm for lvl 120

[vague token]

11-4 gets me the most xp per not paying attention

xD

[shy hazel]

w 11 2:1 mobbing

u cant farm some ships this way even

backline will always take mpv

if u put weak backline ur fleet prolly sink fast

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

if only i have lb0 ijn bbs

i wouldve done 7-2 instead

lazy to refarm so

i do w11 bb farming instead

7-2 gives like mm

2.8k per bb mvp

if u add two backliners

+700 on each

4.2k exp

although oil costs will go up to about 32-35 oil

running 11-4 will give 4k exp

at about the same oil

holy crap i just did complicated maths

[vague token]

/applauds

no clap/applause emote

[shy hazel]

anyways

full fleet or not

the path to 120

is

[vague token]

yep

xD

[shy hazel]

im jus farming pr rn anyways

ill think about it when it comes

u farm 6 ships to 120 for pvp fleet

then pvp meta changes

[vague token]

well, at least sara is good for pve

[shy hazel]

shoo sara memer

get out

[vague token]

never!

xD

[odd schooner]

Most flexi ship for pvp is juneau so she takes full priority

Gotta fill her up

With 3m exp

[vague token]

ykk also top tier for pve anyways

[odd schooner]

I'm delaying sanrui grind so i have excuse to go full USN anti air for w12

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

the thing is

well we get current w12 from jp cn

cos their w12 is nerfed

and got cv superiority blahblah

[finite valve]

dk if nerf or a buff when force to field CV with fleet

but then not using cv for w12 is a handicap either way

so 50 50?

[vagrant veldt]

nerf

[shy hazel]

planes do no dmg to w12 bosses

[finite valve]

i am more worries about the planes spam than boss

[vagrant veldt]

the system is dumb
basically kidnaped your BB damage and force you to use comparatively weaker CVs

[shy hazel]

sandy is za way

[finite valve]

using idiot boat who have yet to mature out of their stupidity

no ty

but then not like her kai make her smarter anyway

so meh

[vague token]

i mean, how else you gonna add diversity unless you actually nerf bbs

you gotta make a convoluted mechanic

[vagrant veldt]

it would of been fine

[shy hazel]

its about usage

not personality or looks

[vagrant veldt]

but then they added these disgusting mk13 gmls to these like 7k hp boats

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

aa missile that never existed in ww2

soon w15

will have

laser aa

[vague token]

i mean sirens already have lasers

they just gotta aim them up

playable siren when

[finite valve]

just make siren farmable and i am good

[vague token]

hmm i think ive gained 300k xp on sara from when i started

and like 700-800 on amagi

(and nagato)

[finite valve]

all i wish is that we don't have anymore event for 2 weeks to farm 120

stupid event make it very hard to farm

[vague token]

na next is a 10k points in 1 week mini event

jk

[shell heron]

you know they'll do it

[finite valve]

trying to be oil efficient and farming for pvp fleet don't goes hand in hand

fuck sonic speed

[midnight heron]

ok i just noticed some inconsistencies in pvp burn dmg

does amagi barrage have he shells?

[ionic magnet]

dont think so

[vague token]

i dont think amagi has any

should be ap or normal

[midnight heron]

yea so how is it that when both sides amagi barrage each other

i take 600+ burn yet enemy takes 290+

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

both sides definitely shelled each other

with their mg

i was like dafuq

[vague token]

maybe he has extinguisher

for some reason

lol

[midnight heron]

the thing was

[vague token]

or he's using 410/406

[midnight heron]

i reset

and enemy went back to taking 600

[vague token]

xD

accidental burn from some other source?

[midnight heron]

the 290+ still unexplained

not possible since amagi barrage is too fast for nagato to catch up

and i dont think belgun can even reach

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

well regardless i'll be keeping an eye out for weird burn dmg from now on

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

amagi targeted shells that go with her mg shoots should be HE

the others that go straight line are normal

[vague token]

oh i thought those were normal with like ultra AP armor ratios

xD

like wasnt it 250 with 135 vs medium?

xD

[zenith tundra]

ok i'm wrong seems like all her shells are normal according to wiki

[vague token]

i mean 290 fire damage is too low for either anyways xD

[shy hazel]

nagato burns alot more than amagi

when the annoying barrage procs

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

do torps burn

[zenith tundra]

shouldn't barrage fire deal less dmg then mg?

only he shells apply burn

[midnight heron]

well i hav to make sure cuz many times ive seen ships getting set on fire after getting hit by torps

might be coincidence but still worth mentioning

[vague token]

unlikely, it's probably just a 127 or belgun hitting at same time

only 1 torpedo applies fire

saratoga torp bomber

[zenith tundra]

maybe a barrage? yukikaze has he barrage

[midnight heron]

yea but i dont think her barrage deals 290 burn regardless

cud also be me misreading 590 for 290

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vague token]

probably

i dont think any burn would match 290

except like

[midnight heron]

otherwise it wud be some supernatural mystery

[vague token]

saint louis

or rather anyone with high gun eff and a coeff

[shy hazel]

dont gorget

amagi barrage is broken

so magic happens

broken in code and in another sense

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

if it's a bug good luck figuring it out

[vague token]

where's our hackers

i mean dataminers

wink

gotta dive into the coooode

[midnight heron]

i wud test more times but da amount of rng required turns me off

[zenith tundra]

what was ur vg?

doing some weird math but imo it was yukikaze barrage that did set fire. the base damage is 324 and with all the reductions it goes exactly to 290. the problem is it's 324 base damage on light not medium so i'm not sure

[vague token]

wait ykk has that large of a base damage on her he?

xD

[zenith tundra]

Full Barrage - Yukikaze II (Bullets) Yukikaze Destroyer (DD) DD HE 324 162 162 1% burn chance.

[vague token]

im pretty sure that's total

[zenith tundra]

it's on light not medium

[vague token]

ive never seen one of those hit for 324 on a light armor lol

unless torps count as "he"

[zenith tundra]

as i said the math for 324 gives exactly 290 burn damage

[vague token]

weird

do base damage values use the total?

for skill fire?

[zenith tundra]

eh whatever it might be just wrong

stupid wiki just shows total damage instead of base

[vague token]

i dont even know what this barrage page is supposed to accomplish lol

usability?

xD

there's 3 parts on saratoga's magical prank

and they arent labeled separately

i have no idea which one is which

lol

[zenith tundra]

outside of finding what type of projectile it is seems pretty useless

[vague token]

and 2 are labeled HE

[zenith tundra]

seems like yukikaze barrage is 12dmg x 30 projectiles

i would say no way

[vague token]

yeah

that sounds more accurate

xD

[zenith tundra]

but 12 dmg gives 18 burn which is also not good

[vague token]

i mean hopefully bigger fires override smol fires

instead of refreshing

[zenith tundra]

in the en wiki it says if the new fire has higher damage is replaced

[vague token]

i mean en wiki says many things xD

to be fair

but hopefully that is accurate

[zenith tundra]

i'll try a bit to see what kind of damage yukikaze barrage burn does

[vague token]

kk

[zenith tundra]

does 20 guess my 18 math is right since it was with -fp from amagi

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

1% burn chance to deal 100 more damage....

[vague token]

xD

average damage: 1

woo!

[shy hazel]

ykkz doing dmg in pvp is news to me

i just use her there to annoy and delay ppl

[vague token]

she does pretty good damage with quad/rainbow

mostly because she doesnt die

dead ships do 0 dps

xD

[shy hazel]

i just know

ykkz vs hiryuu

[vague token]

yeah lol

[shy hazel]

when 1 v 1 left

ykkz will win

unless she does the dumb shit and suicide by bumping

[vague token]

i hate that

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

honestly they could solve hiryuu problems by making her trigger at 25-30, and change it to evade instead of invuln

wont ever happen

[zenith tundra]

tbh fuck that. they release a joke like ws kai and the only real counter in hiryuu at least for now. i don't see a need to nerf her at all

[vague token]

i only mean in regards to pre ws kai xD

ws kai is a whole other monster

only solution to power creep is more power creep

old content left in the dust

such is the fate of creep design

[elder crane]

Well apparently Azuma then FdG seems like it will push the whole PvP tierlist down once again

So yeah, powercreep...

[vague token]

yay!

it's funny cause azuma isnt even stat bloat or anything fancy

i mean she has a lot of hp

but it's mostly just anti rng

she just skips the standard CA gun problem

of limited angle for shots

[zenith tundra]

if i have to guess her gun shoots backlines as vg ship without needing to kill opponent vg

[vague token]

yeah equal weight

with no angle limit

means you can be in any position

and have 0 wasted shots

unless you arent in range

[zenith tundra]

can 310 be used only by her?

[vague token]

yeah

Large Cruiser only

sadly the sharks are not large cruisers

in order for other CAs to compete they'd have to have no angle limit

so that way they could at least try to roon gun azuma down

[elder crane]

Azuma is pretty stat bloat though
Her DpS is pretty damn high

[vague token]

yeah, but i mean it isnt just that

her mechanics are way stronger than any other vanguard

[elder crane]

It's also not just the consistentcy

[zenith tundra]

she is a gun boat

after all

[vague token]

and she gets nagato buffed xD

so

big oof

accuracy boost reload boost fun times

also base 50 evade lol

[zenith tundra]

fp boost u mean

[vague token]

that too

xD

[zenith tundra]

she has 307fp at 120

[vague token]

she hood in the vanguard ;)

[zenith tundra]

i'm glad she's not an useless ur ships at least for pvp

[vague token]

i mean yeah, she's the opposite of useless

xD

[elder crane]

CN says she's a metabreaker already at dev20

[zenith tundra]

her performance in the preview wasn't so great

well time for people to complain some more about ijn ships being broken

[vague token]

well the other bonus is of course 4 ijn without hiryuu

[high flume]

Hi bois, recently went back to PvP. How does WASD+Enty or any other Enty-focused comp fare against nowadays's meta?

[zenith tundra]

petty sure u can just use namaryuu with juneau yukikaze azuma easily

[shy hazel]

wasd e is dead

like since 5 months ago

[elder crane]

Enty fares merely fine in the current meta

[shy hazel]

not on wasd tho

nagaama ent maybe

[elder crane]

She's dropped out of every near-top team, and is pretty much optimal nowhere

And WaSD is usable but no longer top

[high flume]

Eh? Nagato - Amagi- Enty is better now? (than WASDEnty?)

sadpepe

[elder crane]

Yep

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel how's ur farm going?

[elder crane]

Basically every near-top team but Nakaga and HMS runs Amagi

And some HMS also run Amagi

[shy hazel]

mmm

ill take a look

47%

not bad

[elder crane]

So, RIP people without Amagi, for PvP

[shy hazel]

i can prolly reach 70% before i sleep

[elder crane]

You'll have to make do making weird teams

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 61 but i have no oil again

[shy hazel]

i think ill run out of oil

at 90%

lol

[zenith tundra]

time to use mail oil

[shy hazel]

alrdy used

i only have training mail for frenchies

oil i mean

[vague token]

rip

[elder crane]

Mail oil saved for farming that french gun for me
Except when I really need coin

[shy hazel]

i can always choose the last choice

and buy oil with gems

if i dont get at least 5 french dd guns

[zenith tundra]

i brought out all 2k packs

[shy hazel]

i still have those np

heh

[zenith tundra]

idk if the 800 oil for 50 gems is worth

[shy hazel]

big events has 2k oil packages too

iirc french one should have

[zenith tundra]

can't wait to be done already

so i can waste oil to 120 ships instead

[midnight heron]

oops wasnt paying attention but my vg was bel eldridge yuki dont question me im lvling ships

[shy hazel]

after pr i can play other games

updated

only gacha ships left

they should just hurry up and release pr2

so i can finish that up fast

and do better things longer

[zenith tundra]

i want to play other stuff too but 2 servers + pr grind is actually a full time occupation

[shy hazel]

hey its u fault u want to play jp heh

[zenith tundra]

what if i had more fun starting on jp then playing en....

it just takes too much to grind stuff from 0

[shy hazel]

then be done with testing it

[zenith tundra]

can i dm you about that?

[ionic magnet]

gray market

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

holy crap

i forgot to close game before reset

[modern tree]

Tine to do some drill comms for 5:20 hours

[zenith tundra]

i had 3 long drill commissions not gonna bother

[ionic magnet]

i forgot too

[zenith tundra]

i didn't because i don't want to do all the drill ones

pretty sure u can still reset that if u close app for 5+ mins

[ionic magnet]

sometimes it resets sometimes it doesn't

[zenith tundra]

i reset mine just now

[ionic magnet]

I'll wait 10 mins lets see

[shy hazel]

mine reset

[vague token]

half of mine reset xD

[ionic magnet]

ok it reset

[coral wren]

about french DD gun you only need like 2

because using more than 1 DD frontline is not something you should do

anyway

in both pvp and pve

[elder crane]

cough Gunboats

It's also arguably best gunboat aux for the +45FP edit: wtf is it +35 muh consistentcy

You need 6 potentially, but 5 should be safe given that you won't run 3 DDs(or fake-DDs)/gunaux ships in both fleets

On the other hand swapping equip around all the time is annoying af

And so the more the better

It'd stop so much whaling

[coral wren]

maybe just use the other DD gun

instead

its like a 10 fp difference

how much does that marginally difference matter in pve?

[vagrant veldt]

don't just ignore the DPS difference

[coral wren]

and in pvp you use at most like 2 ship with DD gun equippable

anyway?

[vagrant veldt]

for some ships like Sandy
using 138 and not using 138 is two different ships

[coral wren]

AL's pve is not that hard

[modern tree]

just dont farm the best DD gun in the game exclusive to this one event

[coral wren]

that every ship have to be marginally equipped

to beat

[vagrant veldt]

13-4

[modern tree]

its not about beating content, its about beating it with 1:1 using common ships and your gear does not cost oil

so naturally

[vagrant veldt]

If I switch my aux gun on Warspite to purple, there is a risk I get A rank

[coral wren]

yea I'm sure french gun makes so much differences compare to the other DD gun

[modern tree]

you want the best gear my dude

[coral wren]

in 13-4

and after danger level maxed

who give a fuck about gears

its like a 10 damage sword with a 11 damage sword

it doesnt really matter in pve

but in pvp everything matters

so just get enough of that gun for pvp is probably fine

[vagrant veldt]

but 138 is never enough

[coral wren]

until another event hit and powercreeped that gun outta the game

if a boss has 200k hp?

nope

tbh you guys are just making this up too much

[modern tree]

arent you the guy who is contrarian for no reason? "namaryuu is shit because I can beat it" or something?

[coral wren]

with a slightly better gun

[vagrant veldt]

what would be considered better

[modern tree]

nobody is gonna argue that you can make due with bad gear

this is not what this is about

[coral wren]

well farming for 6x of that gun is overkill

you dont need that much

it only really matters in pvp

[modern tree]

mle is just the best general purpose dd gun that makes boats go into overdrive by combining solid fp boost, high dps and enabling barrages

[coral wren]

in which you only need like 2

[modern tree]

and you "need" 0 of them

but you "want" as many as you can get your hands on

you feel me

[vagrant veldt]

also DDs wont be forever unusable

[coral wren]

not with this AI

auto ram

DD is forever unusable on auto

you cant avoid ramming damage

[vagrant veldt]

ram damage comparatively is not the issue

[coral wren]

and the fucking AI loves to do it

like auto 2 times = half HP

go try a solo DD on like w11 and come back here

after that

tell me ram damage is not the issue

[vagrant veldt]

just done it and it is not the issue

if you are having problems with productions maybe compose a better fleet

there's also Bismarck they added just for clearing productions as well

[elder crane]

The all-angle targeting of DD guns means those clean up productions nicely
None of that CL/CA guns leaving productions beside your VG alone for your automode VG to ram into them repeatedly

[coral wren]

I have everything as maxed as max could be

But a solo dd is still a nope from me dawg unless its ykkz

[hot creek]

complains about 1:1 DD ramming

only uses yukikaze

I think I found your problem.

[ionic magnet]

why are you so obsessed with using 1:1 DD anyway

[empty sinew]

ooft

no response

btw pr wheel is kinda underwhelming

maybe im just expecting too much from a 110 dev20 louis idk

[vagrant veldt]

shouldn't be. if its PVP put it on backline
incredibly low gains for PVP vanguard

[hot creek]

I once saw a Nagato completly evade a torp salvo.

[coral wren]

is there any backline ship that procs it's barrage on a 20 sec mark?

[empty sinew]

erebus/terror

[coral wren]

It seems it made for these kinds of things, because invul lasts only 2 secs

[empty sinew]

in practice, that skill is useless cuz almost nothing will exactly proc at the 20-22 sec mark

best case scenario it evades some vanguard shelling, maybe a face torp

guess it's time my nagato or hiryuu tries the washing machine out

[silver root]

what can I do with the PR triple 410 bb gun?

[vagrant veldt]

PVE only. only the 457 has a chance in PVP

[ionic magnet]

i like it with my triple BB backline actually

[modest elbow]

Washington

[ionic magnet]

just one and then HE guns for the other two

[elder crane]

huh, apparently there's a deprecated "armor" stat in-game
(set to 0 for everyone)

wow the PR CA guns don't have enhanced projectile range it seems, only 50 on those

[ionic magnet]

that 410 bb gun on doy is p nice

do we have data on kgv barrage

[shy hazel]

i wont finish izumo in time

[ionic magnet]

its not on wiki

[shy hazel]

went cinemas and din play

[elder crane]

oh lol the surcouf weapon have enhanced targeting (80) and projectile (65) range

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

unacceptable

izumo delayed by a day

[ionic magnet]

my nep still 50%

[vagrant veldt]

KGV
54x10 normal 120% 60 60

[shy hazel]

i stopped grinding nep for now

nep is trash on dev 15

way too trashy compared to phx

lol

[ionic magnet]

is her barrage HE?

[vagrant veldt]

121x6 80% 100 130
138x8 80 100 130

all normal

[ionic magnet]

oh

no burns then

[vagrant veldt]

also weapon lock on range. range on the stats and actual projectile range are separate from each other

almost like they just filled in a random number

[elder crane]

I'm talking about datamine backend stats, targeting and projectile

[vagrant veldt]

from testing Bismarck's dumb aux gun range

[elder crane]

also pretty sure that the "spread" stat on frontend is a complete fabrication by devs as a "guideline" pulled out of their ass

[vagrant veldt]

bullets usually travel 10 more range than the lock on

[elder crane]

That's Bis' override working
Normal aux don't do that

from the torpedo daily you can find that for VG, targeting range > projectile range usually

or just backborder hugging in general

your ships will shoot but the shots will fizzle

also those KGV little bullets are 20 dmg each 120 60 60 mods

hmm, there's different dispersion on KGV's large shots within each set of [4/6], idk why and which are which
one has twice the "randomOffset[X/Z]" of the other

[merry edge]

Cudas or ryuuseis on akaga, or 1 each?

[elder crane]

either both cudas or 1 each iirc is the rec, the former I think being preferred

[modern tree]

cudas are better for consistency and slamming backline

ryuusei will sometimes miraculously vaporise either vg or flagship but dont count on it too much

[elder crane]

plus the amount of output Akaga does in a combined strike wave means overkill is a real concern, and targeting damage less so

[coral wren]

Can you even call it a hms fleet with amagi and nanoda

[modern tree]

what

[wicked rivet]

I gotta not miss any exercises this seasom

[elder crane]

I missed 7 this season

still hit rank 1 for a fraction of a second on the rush last reset

lucky for me it's a dead season I suppose

[modern tree]

I got gensui when burning my attempts to 5 before reset

[elder crane]

that seems like it should semi-regularly happen, given what I see on my results when I get in a proper season

[wicked rivet]

I made my gensui but didnt get to rank 1

[shell heron]

Not like this. I don't want to use a refesh this early to avoid a +9 this early. Hoping someone moves just a little

[vague token]

curlew kai in the works

hmmmm

is she an anti air maid?

oh weird she has 2 aa gun slots

she is like extremely bad seattle lol

[modern tree]

retrofiting them already is like admiting a mistake

really strange

[midnight heron]

namahyuu teams r so bad against nakaga zzz

tryna lvl hyuuga yet keep getting cucked in exercises cuz of it

[modern tree]

yeah, one boat with acceptable AA is hardly enough to carry the IJN brand plane weakness

[midnight heron]

wat makes it worse is if u keep missing ur shells u got no recourse

at least planes hav suicide dmg

[vague token]

xD

[wicked rivet]

Just put a gold air radar on everyone

[vague token]

lol

[vague token]

24/25 washing machine

=D

[quick gust]

why do TOP 100 ppl quip stuff liek this in the slots?

not like they got there with that

[vague token]

i mean

does it matter?

xD

[quick gust]

well id like to see what they build, cause i can never ever got to top 100

as if it were bottlenecked, im gfighting always harder oponend and my rank is going down anyway

what sort of BS is this

[vague token]

i mean, are you getting enough bonus points?

[quick gust]

i was at 1014 now im at 1230 ...

[vague token]

yeah cause some people dont use the matches immediately

[cerulean estuary]

bluerendar need to pushh , i need +1

[quick gust]

i mean that was like 2 days ago, i started witn 1014 rank, i always rough ppl who were Above me, and once the match was done, o dropped further to like 1024

[vague token]

yeah because people did matches while yours was going probably

[quick gust]

how is it ever possible to get there then

[vague token]

first off, make sure you never miss a match

[quick gust]

im always using my matches

[vague token]

2nd, never lose a match

after that the harder part

[quick gust]

i never do

unless my defense fleet looses

[vague token]

the trickier part is maximizing your bonus points

[quick gust]

i dont see those

[lament lichen]

defense doesnt matter

[vague token]

defense fleet losses dont do anything

this isnt a real pvp ladder

there's no + them - you

when defense loses

there's only you

maximizing gains

that's it

you want to attack when the difference in points (NOT rank) is as high as possible

[quick gust]

well for example now:

[vague token]

yeah, that means there wasnt a big difference

[quick gust]

fougth someone like 200+- places higher than me

[vague token]

rank does not mean anything

it's just the points

[quick gust]

12/12k power fleet

[vague token]

i mean the seasonal points

you got +10 seasonal points because the difference in your point score and theirs was less than 35

[quick gust]

where do i see that on oponents tho

[vague token]

you dont

only top 100

is visible

[lament lichen]

you just need to guess

[vague token]

the main skill for bonus points is getting a feel

[vague token]

for who attacks when

[quick gust]

3 days stuck i nhere and falling

feeels so shit and unrewarding

[vague token]

pvp isnt here for rewards

xD

[ionic magnet]

it just means other people are gaining more bonus pts than you do

[quick gust]

wish they did something better for "PVP"

[vague token]

we do too

but basically, your seasonal score is reaaally low

[quick gust]

cause im not getting points

even if fighting someone who Almost kills me

[vague token]

im pretty sure the minimum should be higher if you dont miss a match or are different servers at a different point in the pvp season

xD

also match up has nothing to do with point reward

it can be a 0 power fleet or a infinite power fleet

it doesnt affect your score

lol

[zenith tundra]

that is missing a lot of attacks

[vague token]

yeah that's what i figured

[lament lichen]

im pretty sure you started in the middle of the session

you have like half the attacks there

[zenith tundra]

i was 6k rank when i didnt play for days

[vague token]

im like down 3 or 4 and im at 2450

[lament lichen]

even without sandbagging if you didnt miss any matches you should be at least 2000 points or so

[quick gust]

well i have to miss some cause i cant play during sleep obviously and i cannot rly play at work

[zenith tundra]

doing all atempts matter more then just sandbagging

[quick gust]

well thats quite shite then

might aswell give up now

[vague token]

yeah it's not like an ELO system

[zenith tundra]

u cant use ur phone at work on the shitter?

[quick gust]

cant compete with some university students who have no life but playing AL 24/7

[vague token]

it's a timed climb

[quick gust]

@zenith tundra xD LOL

[zenith tundra]

and u can do ur attempts before going to bed so u dont lose them

[quick gust]

yea, umm BRB need to shit -> week later : "man u have some big shitting problem " 😄

[lament lichen]

you dont even need to no life AL everything can be auto

[quick gust]

@lament lichen were in PVP

PVP is only AUTO

the problem is using ALL battles and not loose any

[zenith tundra]

a match takes 1 min. 5 attempts is not that long

[vague token]

you know you can exit out of a match right?

[quick gust]

and ?

[lament lichen]

you still can use all your matches in a normal work day

depends where you live

[zenith tundra]

u can do 1 attempts every time u go to the rest room not like 1min piss is long

that if u care enough to play pvp. if not there isnt much we can do for u

[quick gust]

well, tbh im really as busy at work i cannot afford to play around with my phone, and if i go on the toilet its my last thing that comes in my mind, just wanna have some chill time, turn my brain off, same goeas for lunchbreak, have a coffee and talk to colleagues about Other stuff than work. Its rude to take phone out at places like that and start playing while others talk to you

[vague token]

that's fair

al pvp is pretty jank

dont feel like you're forced to do it

you still get merits if you lose

so dont stress out, you'll get w/e you need eventually

but otherwise, feel free to ask more here, plenty of us are pvp dedicated

[quick gust]

and btw how u get ranked in Fleet Power ?

is that related to PVP too or ?

[lament lichen]

no

[vague token]

no

[lament lichen]

thats gear, mlb ships

[quick gust]

hmmm

[vague token]

it's like an over all rating for your entire dock

[quick gust]

oh i see so ship levels and items

[ionic magnet]

?fleetpower

[hidden wyvern]

Fleet Power Ranking Calculation

Fleet Power works as follows

1. It considers your entire dock
2. Certain equipment gives more points than others, especially with their rarity
3. Only the highest level girl and the highest LB girl of that particular copy is considered. If there exists another girl or girls of the same LB, the highest combat power girl will be counted in.
4. Duplicates that are of lower LB will be factored in, but follows point 3 except restricted to that particular LB. So 0LB, 1LB, and 2LB each can have the same girl and all three will be counted in. Any duplicates that have lower combat power, however, will not be factored in if they are at the same LB level.
5. If there exists a retrofit of a girl and a MLB of a girl, only the retrofit girl is factored into the fleet power.
6. The equation overall is like this:
   Combat Power w no equip * LB Modifier + Combat Power considering only equip * Equip Modifier.

Explanation courtesy of Enbayft#2527 aka Dunkek

[vague token]

oh there it is

xD

[quick gust]

btw thats what i use:

destroys any 13/13k fleet

[vague token]

that should get you past most of the rando fleets

you just need to spend all your matches and no defeats

you should break at least top 1000

depending on server and timing

[quick gust]

yea welp, spending all matching might be a problem, well see, gonna try my best once season resets

[zenith tundra]

that's 6hrs from now

[lament lichen]

its 6 hours

[quick gust]

nwm ye

[vague token]

xD

[quick gust]

[vague token]

i mean season will restart so if you WANT to try

you'll have learned

[quick gust]

and my server is Sandy

[vague token]

yeah im pretty sure you should be able to climb as long as you spend all your matches even without sandbagging

[ionic magnet]

check tierlist in pins too if you want some comp recommendations

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure u can reach even top 100 by just not missing/losing

[vague token]

but you gotta be on that

if your schedule doesnt work out sometimes it really do be like that

[quick gust]

and yea, i started this seson in like middle, so no wonder i guess. I even slack the event, havent even cleared any of the Hard nodes at all

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

cos its safe to say that your current fleet wont just cut it to top 10

[vague token]

oh yeah, but he can get top 1k easy

im sure most of the sandy fleets at that level are just w/e

[quick gust]

yea well, who is getting the rewards tho ? not top 100 ?

[cerulean estuary]

research list always gave me 1 hr , so damn unlucky we

[vague token]

so as long as your rank hits the next level for 1 attack you'll get the merit mail

and then even if you go down you already got the merits

so basically everyone gets merit rewards

[quick gust]

no i mean from LAdder, ranking theres rewards no ?

[ionic magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528067922984173582/577409146744340490/unknown.png

[quick gust]

someone told me top 100 get some gems and shit each end of season

[vague token]

lol no

[lament lichen]

no

[zenith tundra]

i've been spamming equip ones and not even 1 203skc in 4 days. research is indeed fun

[vague token]

that's other gachas

[ionic magnet]

you only get promotion rewards

[vague token]

al pvp is extremely unrewarding

you only win ego points

and you get to hang out with us

we're cool

[quick gust]

[vague token]

best club

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

[quick gust]

guess i mixed it up with GFL

[vague token]

yeah if they did that they'd actually have to balance pvp

[zenith tundra]

al pvp is unrewarding af

[ionic magnet]

gfl ranking gives gems yea

[vague token]

otherwise it'd be pretty cancer

and id swap to hiryuu

xD

[quick gust]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

k then no rush if no rewards

[zenith tundra]

is that so? i feel like as long as u can afford 3 ring u can do whatever u want in al pvp

[vague token]

i mean, if it was gem rewards for top 10

there's only 1 fleet everyone will be running ever

because there'd also be no resets

and stuff

100% cancer

[zenith tundra]

so what it's still 100% beatable

[vague token]

yeah, and it is 100% luck based not comp or anything interesting

at least in like FEH you gotta make decisions to win vs defense lol

[quick gust]

i want some nice skin for Enty

[ionic magnet]

no need for gems

just give a medal or something

anything really

[zenith tundra]

food

[vague token]

although FEH suffers from worse power creep than AL