pvp

[steep fog]

im rusher so ez points

[coral wren]

Eh, then we probably won't meet, i'm stuck in lobby full of sandbaggers

[shy hazel]

you chose the path of sandbag

[merry edge]

Did season reset todays reset?

[shy hazel]

yup

[merry edge]

Early on in the season its pretty natural to be a super low rank if you don't sandbag/do all the leftmost fights right?

[shell heron]

Your sandbagging results don't show itself until midseason

[merry edge]

Theres a 10-20 point difference between me and even top 100 and I did mostly leftmost

[shell heron]

Or it's easier to gauge how far ahead you are when you reach commander rank when it's 10 points per win

Yes, we sandbaggers sandbag every match we do

[merry edge]

Does sandbagging sacrifice "commander rank efficiency"?

[shell heron]

No, it purposely cripple ourselves so we don't suffer a +9 later

But our score should be around 30-40 points above the current rank 1 after the first week

[merry edge]

So sandbagging is basically not doing any fights until 10 exercises, waiting until right before the next reset, and doing them all on the leftmost at once?

[elder crane]

no, you do them as you get people that climb in your list

since people who are sufficiently above you give bonus points

[shell heron]

We each have our own sandbagging strategy, but it comes down to always holding 5/10. We move when one of our targets move first so we claim bonus points

[merry edge]

[elder crane]

you also can go below 5/10 if you get a super lucky streak of people who climb

[merry edge]

Oh wait so its like

[elder crane]

which is more of a early-season thing

[shell heron]

Sometimes I like cutting it close with 5m til reset to do 3-4 matches

[merry edge]

One guy on your list is ranked 300
But then he does all his exercises and goes to 50
You're at 400
You beat him and get a ton of score?

[elder crane]

I prefer not to cut that close, since that risks dropping matches
But in the end it's personal preference

And yes, not a ton, just a few each time

by 2nd week, getting two bonus points at once is very rare
for now, a lot of bonus each match is possible

[merry edge]

Does this apply too when you get a guy in a triple digit rank and you drop to quad digits over night?

[elder crane]

nope, cause he drops with you, unless he climbed in the meantime

it's by points, not rank

see pins

rank is often the only indicator of your relative points, of course

but in the end, it's your relative points that matters

[shell heron]

First 3 days it's somewhat easy to tell when you can get high bonus points off a person.

Because they will be 1 or 2 ranks above you

[elder crane]

you can relogin to refresh your queue display btw, since the game doesn't automatically do that

and you need to do that to know what the current rankings are, if you want to know if you get bonus points or not

[shy hazel]

lots of ppl interested in sandbag now

guess ill force myself to finish up that dumb guide

[merry edge]

Ive been meaning to do so for a while but Ive always been busy leveling my other units/skills so I havent had time to do my nakaga

[coral wren]

+33, 30, 26 so far..

[modern tree]

why are cn/jp anniversary skins being announced

[gilded atlas]

seems like we're getting too

[modern tree]

one one hand, sure give as anniversary shit, on the other, fuck you, where are HMS skins

[gilded atlas]

KGV should have 1 too

[modern tree]

who cares about a skin that changes direction shes facing

1st anni had VERY IMPORTANT skins and I'd be rather upset if we dont get them considering cn/jp already have those re-run together with current event

and Taihou I guess

[gilded atlas]

still have some time till aug i guess

[modern tree]

we are not getting anniversary in august if they are annoucing anniversary shit now

[finite valve]

i rather have taihou + essex than some stupid skin

[modern tree]

you do realise that if we are skipping 1st anni content then we are skipping those too

[stone grove]

somehow I doubt they'll totally skip ships, they'll probably drop em in August

[modern tree]

why would they do 2nd anni now and 1st in august

[stone grove]

who tf knows EN schedule

But even if 1st anniv skins are skipped I think we'll still get the ships at some point

[wicked rivet]

We'll probly get 1st anni skins in august with anniversary

Or whenever tf we get anni

[modern tree]

I mean, we are getting 2nd anniversary content "soon"

[stone grove]

August should be when our anni lol

That we are

[modern tree]

which is why this is even a discussion, cuz cn/jp got 1st anni skins with the event that is running now, we didnt, and now we are getting 2nd anni stuff

[trim horizon]

somehow I doubt they'll totally skip ships, they'll probably drop em in August what about the French event

[quaint ferry]

What French event? We Italia hype bois

[vague token]

[coral wren]

@quaint ferry I suspect he means dunkerque, jeane bart etc

iirc there are also french subs

[vague token]

what about our sardinia faction though

xD

kgv spoilers

[quaint ferry]

Nagato mentioned Sardinia before KGV

[vague token]

oh

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

we should just be glad we're getting 2nd anniv skins at all

[quaint ferry]

only anniv skin I'm interested is the Niimi one

[modern tree]

nah, we should not be glad we are getting them if they make us miss on 1st anni content

[ionic magnet]

wdym miss

1st anniv is aug right?

[modern tree]

look, I know that it may be strange concept, but why run 2nd anniversary then 1st

[ionic magnet]

well we always get the latest skins since i started playing

so nothing wrong with this one

[coral wren]

Just give us pr3

At the same time with cn/jp

[zenith tundra]

my list is 4 sandbaggers

[wicked rivet]

My list moved some but i dont think enough for extra points

[round dome]

every sever has its own anniversary, for example ISSS was the 1st anniversary for CN, but it's just a normal event for JP. and the Essex/Taiho event was 1st anniversary for JP but a normal event for CN... now the 2nd anniversary is for CN, and JP/EN will get own event when the time has come...

in other words, EN is now getting CN's 2nd anniversary as a normal event, hope it clear things up @modern tree

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure en will have 🚮 event

it might just be same as jp which is good

[round dome]

well, it depends on Yostar... they also run JP so...

[safe meteor]

i got Warspite 6x from event build, and 0 Bismarck, what are the odds?

[zenith tundra]

i got 1 ws and 1 bismark in 9 builds on my jp account

[sharp wing]

Every second person in chat had Biscuit 30 mins after event started... Here I am w/ 20 cubes and no Bis and u-boat

That said, my friend spent all cubes, then bought more cubes for 3k gems for Nyaga only to get her few days later on from quest cubes.

[vague token]

oof

[merry edge]

Should I +10 2 drop tanks seeing as jet fuel isn't coming any time soon?

[zenith tundra]

i would wait tbh

core data next month must change since 381 is research now

they might just add that

[merry edge]

[sharp wing]

You can pretty much do w/ double catas for now, tank is solo cv thing really

Assuming u do Akaga

Seeing how we have only 4 gear slots in Core shop rotations and how much stuff we lacking atm there, getting 1 exact gear piece there much RNG anyway

Or do cn/jp core have more gear slots in core shop?

[shell heron]

I would think cata/tank is the staple CV aux loadout for now because having extra plane HP is something useful

[sharp wing]

For hiryuu, ye

[zenith tundra]

there are no slots in core data. they just add or remove gear from it and it's always available

[shell heron]

unless more avi is better for now if you're using akaga or something to clear VGs

[vague token]

also tank is better with beaver for hiryuu anyways i think?

cause it preserves more damage than 30 more aviation

[zenith tundra]

an actual shop btw

[vague token]

shell and 818 plz

gimme gimme

what is that eagle gold plane though, dauntless or w/e?

[sharp wing]

yeah..

McClusky

[vague token]

why does it have two 100 pound bombs xD

[sharp wing]

Cause... Same as usual one

[vague token]

oh

thought it was a unique

xD

[sharp wing]

It's like t0 of the regualr one

Regular one is blue

[vague token]

gotcha

[sharp wing]

So it's BIG jump xD

[vague token]

oh it does have a bonus skill at least

[sharp wing]

It's skill probably doesn't make up for bigg damage lose tho over helldiver or even junkers

[vague token]

yeah, you'd need like a bonus skill

air barrage or w/e

[sharp wing]

Like... 5% dmg vs CVs... and you lose damage for having 2 100s instead of 2 500s

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

does that dmg only apply to that equip?

[vague token]

no idea

it just says "increase damage"

[sharp wing]

To whole airstrike looks like

[vague token]

so like it COULD boost sara guns maybe?

or other air barrages

[sharp wing]

When launching an airstrike, increase damage against enemy aircraft carriers by 5.0%.

[modern tree]

Maybe it will get updated one day. They seem to have caught on that unique items that make ships better are cool

[sharp wing]

Well, it really needs something more to make it better helldiver

[vague token]

well, i think it's ok for helldiver to be bis for just pure strike damage

[sharp wing]

Also it has no AA guns

[vague token]

but id like to see other planes for other roles

like 818 is good

[sharp wing]

So in airstrike vs airstrike that's big lose

[vague token]

not strong damage on its own

but it slows

that's cool

or add a bomber that does bonus damage to HE gunners cause it causes ammo explosions

or stuff like that

xD

[sharp wing]

818 tbh only good to put on Akaga and use Kaga w/ ryusseis

or other double cv comp

Other... Wait

[vague token]

also would like new guns that work like pve enemy guns >_>

[sharp wing]

It's pretty funny tho... Within same faction.... Purple Helldivers Bis and Gold BTDs safe to scrap item

But it slows only on actual impact?

Or like Ark skill

[vague token]

i mean vanguards usually run into 1 cuda torp

[sharp wing]

that's pretty crap

[vague token]

o.O

[sharp wing]

Well, i guess

More in pve

[vague token]

like line torps cover large amounts of screen space

you have good odds of landing one

and you only need 1 tickle for it to slow the entire group

[sharp wing]

Helldivers are uss tho

Guess 1 op thing is enough

I mean

To each faction their strong planes

Eagles divers, royal cuda, Sakura ryusseis

Well, and 818 for royal, that makes 2 per faction....
Wait we have KMS too

Junkers and messers niche roles i guess

We need some event kms planes, fighters w/ bombs would be good. Zepp really needs em

[willow storm]

in order to get the PVP award, what do you have to do?

reach top 100?

[sharp wing]

You get rank up rewards each time you get that rank for 1st time in each season

For some ranks, there ladder conditions

top 1k, 300, 100, 10

[hot creek]

reach the rank and have the minimum amount of points required ie 2200 pt and top 10 for gensui

[sharp wing]

wiki has a table w/ requirements for rank up and rank up rewards

[shell heron]

not a bad first 3 fights: 37,38 and 35. The last two will prob be the base points but decent start

[sharp wing]

that's out of 10?

37

[shell heron]

I always start to move on 2nd reset of the season

[sharp wing]

I only got 34 and 29 out of 8/10

My list is fcking DED

[shell heron]

It's a gamble. either I get 33, 25, 25... or it pays out

[sharp wing]

This RNG is total BS

Well, pvp is RNG definition

[hot creek]

if youre up during season reset you can get points easily

[shell heron]

This is still the start. I can easily get dead resets later that will negate any bonuses I got now

[sharp wing]

After reset list was ded till like evening

My reset is 10 am

[hot creek]

this is not the start

im talking about first 20 mins

[sharp wing]

yeah

[hot creek]

of the whole season

[sharp wing]

I said was dead till evening

[shell heron]

It's the start for me. day 1, 2nd reset of the season

[ionic magnet]

first fight is literally free tbh but after that is all rng

[sharp wing]

List only started moving 1-2 hrs before second reset

Aka 8-9 pm for me

[hot creek]

its not rng if you fight your first during the season start

since youll be matched up with all the rushers

during first 20 mins

[sharp wing]

Well, still RNG

[ionic magnet]

first fight is no rng

[hot creek]

and you can use opponent refresh to get rushers who have a decnet comp

[ionic magnet]

cos you automatically get rushers if you refresh once

[sharp wing]

Those so called rushers are very inconsistent

[hot creek]

no they're not. look for one with a fox comp defense i garuntee you they shoot up to 120 pt during first 10 mins or so

[sharp wing]

Oh, 1 of my Namaryuu started pushing, gotta wait some 10 mins till he done

[cerulean estuary]

whats the highest / TOTAL points can be obtained by heavy sandbaggers on the 1st 5 pvp attempts ( after reset )

[wicked rivet]

big points

I got a 33 pointer yesterday

[sharp wing]

Some1 mentioned 39? today

[cerulean estuary]

i mean the total of five attempts

[stark raft]

Anyone have a functioning yeptune yet?

[sharp wing]

I'd say around 170

But that's not really possible

[wicked rivet]

probably around 145 average

[sharp wing]

Since you would either need to rush 1st battle

[wicked rivet]

at most 170 yea but that takes a lot of good rng

[sharp wing]

Or if you really sandbag, you wouldn't get more, than 3 good + really

[hot creek]

@stark raft nobody has a functioning anything yet, regarding PR. Highest someone could get is around dev level 20

[leaden sequoia]

I expect dev 25 in 1-2 weeks and dev 30 in 2-3 more weeks after that

[stark raft]

20 should be usable for sanrui/yeptune yeah? only reason I asked

[leaden sequoia]

only sanrui has that perk iirc

though...

don't PR ships in pvp only use their skills, not their damage capabilites?

[sharp wing]

dev23 is half way of 1-30

[leaden sequoia]

in which case dev 30 only provides stat increase over dev 20

(I consider the upgraded barrage their damage capability)

[hot creek]

I guess Neptune could be useable but she loses a good chunk of HP from not being 6 star rarity i believe

[sharp wing]

of all stats

[ionic magnet]

a good chunk of their stats comes from enhancing tho

[sharp wing]

they get stars as side effect of enhancing tho

enhancing and star increase happens for them same time

[ionic magnet]

i would say dev 25 is useable but not really a better choice than current ssrs

[sharp wing]

If HMS fleet

Might be potent

Aka QE

[ionic magnet]

hms needs every stat buff they can get

[stark raft]

Yeah I'm using hms jesus/bel/yuki and gonna replace bel since I don't see many foxes anymore

[sharp wing]

foxes are on rushers

there probably 50% foxes in tops

SO big chunk of def fleets are meme anyway

[stark raft]

I want to reset less and thicc nep might do it

[sharp wing]

thicc... That is questionable

Need inspection

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, +HP on Nep dev 25 is huge

so dev 25 should be the minimum bar for all PR ships in pvp

[stark raft]

Nep 25 Sanrui 15, gotcha ty

[sharp wing]

Why Sanrui btw...

[leaden sequoia]

same reason as Nanoda

evasion-based stalling

[sharp wing]

I mean name

[leaden sequoia]

a

[sharp wing]

nanoda is meme

[leaden sequoia]

Japanese pronunciation + shortening

[sharp wing]

[leaden sequoia]

Saint Louis -> Santu Ruisu -> SanRui

[sharp wing]

OH well

I always play on muted anyway

[leaden sequoia]

me too 80% of the time

but

when you're weeb enough to call her SanRui yourself before it became mainstream

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

a little late but the highest I got was between 155-157 on the first 5 matches. 170 sounds like you need all 5 matches to be near perfect opponents

157 with 37, 38, 35, 25 and 22

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, the problem is the 5th match, which will inevitably have 22 base score unless you somehow messed up 4 first matches (in which case the total will be bad anyway)

mine was 148 with 33, 31, 34, 28, 22

oh, and if first 3 matches got more than 100 score, then even 4th will have 22 base

[lament lichen]

This session i got 155

[shell heron]

I find the first 3 relatively easy to get 30+ points, but the last 2 is always after when most casuals already moved.

[shy hazel]

japanese actually say it like

saynto ruisu

but someone here decided just sanrui

but why not its shorter tgat way

[vague token]

lol

[charred sable]

Sandbagging is hard, someone finally moved

+29 though

[vivid palm]

any possible counter?

[vague token]

stall with nakaga xD

[round dome]

replace ibuki with yuki

[ionic magnet]

theres a lot of counters to nakaga

[maiden agate]

WASDA's easiest match up is Nakaga

[ionic magnet]

check tierlist in pins for ideas

[cerulean estuary]

oh that feels , remembering the WASDA meta days

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Dyj0X/b79e9feddd.png obligatory "pvp is dead" meme reeeee

[vague token]

xD

that's why ive been spacing them out

[blazing scroll]

Just the usual sandy thing

[odd schooner]

@hot creek

[hot creek]

i blame myself for not refreshing into better opponents earlier

[blazing scroll]

I did a bunch of refreshes but kept getting lvl 30ish players that didn't move

[lament lichen]

sandy things

[modern tree]

You guys need to get good

[coral wren]

Lol, should have never attacked in the last 1 min

1 min - loading time and here you have 1 missed attempt, amazing

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

never try too hard

[cerulean estuary]

demn visual point bug , cant tell how much points are the bonuses on pvp

[leaden sequoia]

I log how many points all my matches give

so if I tapped too fast to trigger the bug, I can just subtract the old score from the new one

340 pts vs 412 pts gives +4 bonus
361 pts vs 434 pts gives +4 bonus

for anyone interested in collecting data on bonuses at different ranks

[charred sable]

how do you know their points?

oh wait, nvm, thats top 100

+1/18pts there

[zenith tundra]

i tried my bismark in jp and her level 1 barrage landed properly on top of the opponent main fleet. the shoots landed on all enemies backlines, the side ones not falling short or in a > pattern but more like in a straight line, and both waves at the same spot. looks like en is getting fucked some more

[coral wren]

That's actually good news

Btw, noone knows if amagi's barrage bugged on jp/cn as well?

the v shape in defense i mean

[zenith tundra]

in cn is bugged as well

[coral wren]

If yes, i guess there is hope for bismarck to get her stuff fixed

Huh, your bug report has "in progress" flag so i guess they are already working on it?

[zenith tundra]

it might be because there are ui bugs for all servers

i'm not really that upset with all the work they have to put to fully fix ui 2.0

i'm not waiting 1year to level up bismark

and i think pr2 works with any ships from that nation

[leaden sequoia]

PR2 exp grind is either frontline or backline of the same nation

for front it's front, for back it's back

[zenith tundra]

still better then forced to use bb/cruisers all the time

[lament lichen]

Azuma is both

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, Azuma is split

1.2m from IJN back, 2.4m from IJN front

why the fuck not the reverse?

[zenith tundra]

because she's a vg ship?

[leaden sequoia]

yeah

it's inconvenient still

[zenith tundra]

@round dome does cn client give notifications when researches end?

[wicked rivet]

Nobody

Is

MOVING

[round dome]

@zenith tundra yes, it does. but it bugged for many times before.

[zenith tundra]

it's fixed rn?

[round dome]

yes, it is function rn

[zenith tundra]

thank you

[shy hazel]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7pPM-4VUAAHCr2.jpg:large

is this real

[leaden sequoia]

yes, it's real

[shy hazel]

i cant believe ppl in general

[round dome]

np

[shy hazel]

where is source

[zenith tundra]

with this both jp and cn have those notifications while en doesn't

[leaden sequoia]

Helena and Sandy have been lolified as well

[shy hazel]

another loli to milk indeed

[round dome]

and guess what, sandy is free

[shy hazel]

dah

youll get sandy whether u like it or not

[leaden sequoia]

bruh

[shy hazel]

AS USUAL

[leaden sequoia]

people were complaining there were no USS lolis in the previous batch

well, rejoice

now USS have three lolis

more than any other nation

[round dome]

well technically you need to grind her affinity first, but at least she doesn't cost cubes

[leaden sequoia]

btw, don't take the statement about people complaining too seriously, that was more of a joke

though I did see few people actually complaining about that

source: https://h.bilibili.com/23266555

[coral wren]

We live in a world where you can get to jail over some drawn character

[shy hazel]

loli helena no pic yet?

i want cuties

[zenith tundra]

i hope they don't release them in en

[shy hazel]

why

[zenith tundra]

more useless ships<-why

[shy hazel]

collection is good

[zenith tundra]

the only thing collection is good for is pr2 unlocking

[coral wren]

Agree

Those things actually feel like a goddamn filler to justify delaying the content cn and jp already have

[zenith tundra]

i can research pr2 ships buf miss the faction tech for them. so unhappy

[shy hazel]

who can read this

i cant read this kind of chinese

ship name

actually i can read it

[finite valve]

eh is below the moon rune lel

[zenith tundra]

i can't read a thing

[shy hazel]

i dont know who it will refer to it though

lol

[coral wren]

Anther uss ship?

[shy hazel]

南安音顔

[coral wren]

She looks anglo tho

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/nud76u

[shy hazel]

oh wait im not sure about the last character

lol

[trim horizon]

HMS Southampton

[leaden sequoia]

I was not sure if Stella wanted to know ship name or something else, so didn't answer

[shy hazel]

oh there

im on phone

so i didnt see the english name

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

oh so chinese names work that way

[leaden sequoia]

get a better phone

[shy hazel]

i can read it in a japanese meaning way

minami (south) an on

well

nvm

i still dont know how chinese picks character for foreign names

belfast is like

bei fa?

[vagrant veldt]

think of it as using hiragana as if it's katakana

[shy hazel]

ya but its a mix of kanji and katakanized kanji

lol

at least we know design wise

south amp is superior to north amp

[leaden sequoia]

you just compared a British anime girl to an American anime girl

[shy hazel]

im referring to design only

[vagrant veldt]

the artist for South H is very experienced as well

[ionic magnet]

i heard loli helena?

where

[leaden sequoia]

apparently in text only for now

same for Sandy

[ionic magnet]

damn another special construct thingy prolly?

[zenith tundra]

ofc... u expect free stuff?

[vagrant veldt]

I think cleveland is going into normal pool

[zenith tundra]

1 in each pool sounds great

[empty sinew]

just put them all in light pool tbh

[ionic magnet]

[empty sinew]

they're all cl anyways

[shy hazel]

if its limited

id prefer special anytime

light is well

light hell

[empty sinew]

i prefer cheap construction

[leaden sequoia]

not just light

light and Elite ship

[shy hazel]

remember aurora?

[zenith tundra]

sounds great tbh

[leaden sequoia]

I got her somehow totally accidentally

[shy hazel]

i rolled 300 cubes for hatsushimo

[empty sinew]

i got her on a free daily

[leaden sequoia]

[shy hazel]

3 elites on light

crazy

i wish the released fast though

im alrdy 70% on sanrui

2m

so done grinding uss ships soon

[zenith tundra]

sure we need 3 building events at a time

[shy hazel]

theres only one right now

[coral wren]

1 in each pool sounds great
Chuckled. It's milking time for uncle liao

[empty sinew]

wishing well doesn't count

[zenith tundra]

just saying the can release chinese and russians lolis too with the others

[shy hazel]

cant release russian lolis if theres only one

[leaden sequoia]

pfft

they released Hiei-chan before Hiei

[zenith tundra]

they can release 1 at least

[leaden sequoia]

I know it's a EN thingy

[shy hazel]

jpcn had hiei big form at least

[leaden sequoia]

[empty sinew]

en prioritizes lolis

[shy hazel]

im welcome for any russian ships though

[empty sinew]

[shy hazel]

could add some flavor

i heard in wows

only pr russian ships are good though

lol

cos we all know ussr didnt even have a real navy in the war

[zenith tundra]

lolis lane has begun i wonder if we'll get lolis for all ships

[odd schooner]

russian bias as they say

[shy hazel]

avrora still has the best buff in the game

if only she wasnt useless herself

30% more dmg on everything for all vg

[ionic magnet]

i just hate how they make all these lolis so useless

[shy hazel]

loli zep good for farming

but i guess

ill have to buy slots soon again

[leaden sequoia]

and I guess

I have to farm for gem commissions again

👀

[shy hazel]

sad thing is

anniv coming soon

i have to pick skin i like best

2 or 3

unless i buy more

im saving cos im flying jap july

💩

[empty sinew]

buy non for maximum trip funds

[coral wren]

in wows ussr ships are op because,well, it's a russian game

[shy hazel]

yea i heard

like kirov ships are op

[coral wren]

kutuzov was a scourge for it's level to the point where it wasn't enjoyable for anyone except for those who owned this ship

Honestly, they should stop with those collabs and do research on their own what prints were at that time

I forgot to ask one thing about pvp, if i ungear my ships in pvp, others will immediately see em drop that firepower or will gear changes affect them only when i relog?

[zenith tundra]

the list refreshes from time to time

not sure how long it takes

[vagrant veldt]

I remember it being 30mins

[zenith tundra]

but it's server side so it has nothing to do with u reloging or not

[shy hazel]

its 30 mins

we tested it in our server multiple times

long time ago

[coral wren]

Thanks

[coral wren]

I wonder if bismarck barrage dmg numbers will be higher on jn

[wicked rivet]

why tf is nobody moving today

[safe meteor]

is Bismarck really worth it

[ionic magnet]

when we get better kms ships sure

[raw osprey]

we wont

[coral wren]

everyone will drop the game by that time

[sharp wing]

It would be fun, if we got gear, like Kizuna hairband, that could change ship faction

Well, more like add another faction

[coral wren]

Wth the headband changes faction?

[raw osprey]

[Idiot]

[sharp wing]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Pyoko-Pyoko

basically makes ship doublefaction, to count for Kizu CA shipcount buff

Since her buff needs 4 other Kizu ships to max, but there only 3 other Kizu ships

[elder crane]

also activates CV KizAI, not that that's really relevant

[sharp wing]

Well, CV skill only need 1 Kizu ship

CA needs 5 total Kizu ships to max buff, lol

[elder crane]

Yeah, but you're better off just pairing a better normal ship with CVKizAI
not that CVKizAI is worth running herself

[sharp wing]

Well, BB kizu pretty decent

[raw osprey]

Kizuna ships 🚮

[sharp wing]

CA not bad too

[elder crane]

BB is 2nd best for sure, CA one is actually almost good

almost

[sharp wing]

BB basically comes w/ free SG and crit shell

[elder crane]

and her stats are trash
Her barrage is almost sorta decent at least

[sharp wing]

Tho barrage is not that great, also 16 sec

[elder crane]

CA KizAI has pretty good stats and some okay skills

[sharp wing]

But suffer from no barrage skill as other collabs

[elder crane]

Tbf in the case of CAKizAI, it's just that there's better options

[sharp wing]

Well, since we have portkai and mogamikai

and now PRs

[elder crane]

Minneapolis, minus the PR CAs, is the closest comparison

[sharp wing]

Minne is way other breed

No eva but zombie

[elder crane]

CA kizai also has low eva

[sharp wing]

Well, at 100

[elder crane]

and for one-fight, has similar survivability to Minnie

[sharp wing]

she has decent eva

But at 120 ye... she falls off

Her EVA only goes 4 up 100-120

49-53

[elder crane]

CAKizAI has significantly better damage output than Portland

[sharp wing]

Said Minne has 24 eva at 100

[elder crane]

somewhat less than minnie though

[sharp wing]

Portland weap efficiencies are atrocious

and not that great fp

[elder crane]

so overall, the closest comparison for CA kizAI is Minnie

[sharp wing]

At 120 yes

[elder crane]

She's basically a slightly worse Minnie

[sharp wing]

At 100 she has higher eva, than even portkai tho

[elder crane]

We're already at 110 so w/e

[sharp wing]

idk 110

wiki needs 110 stats

[wicked rivet]

CA AI does more damage than porty?

oh heck

[sharp wing]

Well, basically any gunboat CA do more damage, than Porty

[wicked rivet]

and she has an anti fire skill too so even better

[elder crane]

Nah her survivability stats are worse enough that it's not actually good

[wicked rivet]

figured

[elder crane]

Plus the fire dred is super low anyways

[wicked rivet]

how's her luck?

[elder crane]

66, upper end of average

[wicked rivet]

wait i can check that

oh

not bad

[sharp wing]

I see her as less damage MogaminKai

At least sub 120

[elder crane]

Significantly more survivability than Mog so not that comparable

[sharp wing]

They really made her shit at 120... But very decent at 100

[elder crane]

In the end, it's Minnie that is the closest comparison imo

[sharp wing]

AT lvl 100 Mogmai and Kizu has same hp

But again Mogami gains very much EVA on way to 120

And Kizu stops

[elder crane]

You don't get Kizu's two dred skills

or her one dred if you run her with other kizais

[shy hazel]

im bothered

why u calling kizuna kizu

just call her ai

[sharp wing]

Kizu

[wicked rivet]

zuzu

[sharp wing]

Kizu

[wicked rivet]

wait no that's zuko's nickname

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

ai is not recognizable enough imo

[sharp wing]

Aizu

[elder crane]

KizAI is what I default to

[shy hazel]

kizu literally means wound

[sharp wing]

Cause she is wounded in the head

[shy hazel]

im not even fan of kizuna ai but im just bothered

she can screw herself

wtv

[sharp wing]

I basically found out who she is from event

Not like i watch any stream at all

Idk what fun ppl find in watching streams

Even idling in the game funnier

Esp her "Fukkyu private space" mechanics

made you want smash the screen

I'm grateful to her for BPs anyway

Wonder what's ppl max BP count for 1 ship without converted? I pretty much can't afford cube and coin projects atm

My max is 48 w/ 25-35 for others

[zenith tundra]

tested again and it seems like bismark barrage is just as random as en one is... maybe she is doomed to be 🚮 forever

[sharp wing]

That gets you straight to dev 22~

[shell heron]

My max is 64 roon bps with lowest being izumo at 40. My lowest was sanrui at 39 but got a few sanrui projects recently

[sharp wing]

I have 26 cubes atm, no cojns and No Biscuit and u-76

[shell heron]

I'm not even working on roon

[sharp wing]

My max is Roon too, tho same not working on her

Update pretty much fcked up research rates

[shell heron]

I got a lot of Izumo focused projects.

that I skip

[sharp wing]

I have 12 hrs no cost one running atm...

[shell heron]

[sharp wing]

Started before going to bed

So not bad

All my coins went for built lately...

I might end up without Biscuit anyway

[shell heron]

the free 8hr and 12hr ones are terrible rewards for the time, but they were nice before Biscuit event launched

more gold for pulls

[sharp wing]

Well, they are nice, when i go sleep

Or before going to work

(that not happens often tho )

BS crap

[shell heron]

I need 3 more MLE bps. Then I'll prob turn all my universal bps into sanrui ones

I wonder if a dev20 sanrui is PvP usable?

[sharp wing]

What's yr BP count for her atm?

Yeah, 20 dev too low stats

Like comparing her to regular ships at lb1

[shell heron]

gonna need to wait longer then. 54 atm without universals

[sharp wing]

dev 23~ is half way

[stark raft]

why not eating the universals?

[sharp wing]

I'm saving universals for very last

[elder crane]

Well, halfway to 343 total, but then there's 343+165

[sharp wing]

Well ye

[elder crane]

15 luck and 10s more spood beast

[sharp wing]

That is if she lives that long

[elder crane]

yeah, tbf most of the time by 40 s the vanguard portion is already mostly decided

[sharp wing]

Most of the time it's 1st 20 sec tbh

If Foxes involved

[elder crane]

Foxes are so last meta 🚮

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

foxes in 2019

[sharp wing]

Or if Nyaga actually decides to fcking PROC

[wicked rivet]

the better foxes

actually wait

imma throw bel in my defense team just to fuck with foxes

[sharp wing]

Cause that damn loli fox procs 1/5

[wicked rivet]

my def is a joke rn but I wanna fuck with em

[elder crane]

Even a Nagato proc doesn't wipe VG, usually you need two+a good hit in with Hiryuu to wipe VG before 40 s

[wicked rivet]

13 oil

holy shit

[sharp wing]

I lvled KGV since lvl 1 in A maps

I basically moved one map harder after each 3* clear, and she could keep up

I mean... When event just started

I built her very 1st

So i just went to 3* A maps right away

She did fine as solo main

Ehh... My cause of Biscuit hunt...

And every1 in chat has her...

But ye, KGV in pve has damn good consistency due to spread barrage and salvos, 1st at ~7 sec

Barrage inbetween

VG clears some minors and she constantly shell heavy targets

She's like art support for troops in vg xD

[elder crane]

If you put in HFCR on KGV, she loads in ~3 s

[sharp wing]

That's too fast tbh to be of use in most situations

[elder crane]

Yeah, but it's funny

[sharp wing]

Also might make second salvo into barrage

[elder crane]

kinda like a budget JB almost

[sharp wing]

Also... Cleve loli and helena loli...

Good that their are perma at least...

Cause my cubes... Wait i have none

[wicked rivet]

we should be getting ring pack too

[sharp wing]

Ppl mostly hyped about new lolies

[wicked rivet]

for the extra ammo?

9 oil

[sharp wing]

If lb0 vestal, no ammo extra

[wicked rivet]

oh true

why ARE you running vestal?

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

lb0 vestal the cheapest main fleet heal

[sharp wing]

But KGv...

[elder crane]

Is anyone else having connection issues?

[sharp wing]

Mmm, no

I'm relogging atm

Looks all right

Any1 managed to get z36 to 70+ at LB0 pre fix?

My was just chilling in dorm, so not high

But they are all 65+

Bis dorm actually had 2 +1 items

[elder crane]

yeah it's kinda that they're letting people keep z36 0LB lv70+

[sharp wing]

What can they do anyway?

[elder crane]

Just pad her in for evasion

less ambushes, provides some meatshield

lv100 0LB z36, can probably be brought to ch 9 at least

ehh, not sure how much use they provide there if they just sink immediately...

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

lv 100 z36 will likely last all of ch 9 as a tack-on, most of ch10

huh, I'm surprised, what're you bringing as the other ships?

0LB shouhou?

[sharp wing]

Well, if Amagi wipes map fast enough

[elder crane]

that makes sense, you have a healer in there

I don't usually run healers these days

[sharp wing]

Tho lb0 mahans hp pretty low for % heal

[elder crane]

still makes a pretty decent difference

you can get 2 procs per node, for 12%

[sharp wing]

Crane probably heals them better

[elder crane]

Mostly run good BB+Phoenix+[good VG] for ch11 these days

[sharp wing]

Cant minne solo w/ healer anyway?

[elder crane]

you get really messed up by ambushes too

[sharp wing]

well, ye

but still

mlb mahan + phoenix work fine too

Tho more oil, than Minne soloing rest nodes

But pretty high ambush evade

[elder crane]

pretty sure that setup can drop the healer

[sharp wing]

maybe

basically 1;2

[elder crane]

or at least downgrade to 0LB

I run 1:2 for 11, yeah

[sharp wing]

lb0 healer shall be fine

But phoenix + mahan really good for doing sirens and stuff at high lvls

When Minne cannot pull out solo

Or when you not fancy healer

I actually laltely run Arizona + Minne

Arizona heals are thicc

[elder crane]

Might as well run a proper BB with phoenix then

[sharp wing]

phoenix usually can't pull off that stuff

[elder crane]

less oil for the same effect

[sharp wing]

like auto 3 sirens at max map

Well, she does better, than phoenix

[elder crane]

....I find phoenix to do better at the survival side tbh

[sharp wing]

It's just for very hard stuff, that minne can't solo, i use Phoe+mahan

[elder crane]

it's the damage side that Phoenix lacks in

[sharp wing]

Well, i auto 99% times, and phoenix jsut ain't work as good, as minne

Sometimes it's close to retreat state

[elder crane]

hence if you upgrade Ari to a proper BB to shore up damage it's fine

[sharp wing]

Well, the problem with arizona also, is that she is, like all USS non SR BBs, has IJN tier AA

So any air heavy node she fail hard

w/ Minne

[elder crane]

She also just does a lot less without any +dmg skills and her not-amazing stats

[sharp wing]

Yeah, she's amazing healer tho

I just don't rely on her damage at all

She's good to let Minne grab mvp and keep her healthy

Also i might not bother much w/ her after 110

[elder crane]

yeah, a proper BB is just so much better
Amagi, Hood, Wash, etc. will all do 2-3X more damage than Minnie regularly

[sharp wing]

Not like she can handle flag tanking much at w10 tier anyway

Well, i'm working on Saint.. tho..

Tho i'm like at last 2%

Time to get my Royal bbs ready...

I have no 110 royal bs anyway

Wait, my QE somehow got 110...

[elder crane]

4-3?

[sharp wing]

Probably SOS w/ common royal dd retroes

[elder crane]

it's ch 6 that starts giving purple parts

[sharp wing]

weapon bps

for research

[elder crane]

oh those
i'm not sure it really is worth farming those specifically

[sharp wing]

Well, it's 2 birds w/ 1 stone

tbsk even is there?

[elder crane]

you need 45 for one project, which gives like 2-3 of that bp

[sharp wing]

I mean in pr

[elder crane]

and the project rate isn't even that good

[elder crane]

I mean, the amount of bps it gives for the time invested isn't great amazing

yo wtf stop getting ambused at 95% ambush evasion rate
That's 3/3 times

[sharp wing]

LMAO

I'm getting ambushes ay 98% too

[elder crane]

it's my boss fleet that's getting ambushed

[sharp wing]

That's sad

[elder crane]

which is like 50 oil per time

[sharp wing]

Mine is usually lucky

Also i try to put mob fleet in the next square to boss

To give less chances of that surprise ambush on bossfleet on last square

[lime rivet]

[elder crane]

and then your mob fleet gets ambushed instead and blocks that space
My mob fleets are usually so paper they can't handle that extra fight reliably

[sharp wing]

Well, i look that it doesn't have red state

[elder crane]

PvP is sloooow today

[lime rivet]

Reminder that this is #pvp - take non-pvp discussion to a general channel please

[zenith tundra]

[sharp wing]

Pretty much

1+ per 5 fights is normal...

Oh wait, i managed t get 2+ after reset somehow

Also these Eugen+Eldie fleets can be fun fights

If you don't use torp nuke team

Might pull my Eldie out to annoy ppl a bit w/ their stalling vgs

[lime rivet]

Wasdhiryuu and eldie

[sharp wing]

wasdA

Well, that's what i sue anywya

I just lack some spare equips to put fully geared Eldie

[shell heron]

Prinz and Eldie is surprisingly annoying to deal with. Not that they do damage, but they take longer that I would like to kill

[sharp wing]

Indeed

Only Torp nukers can kill em off fast, before eldie goes off 20 sec starter cd

Or if you lucky w/ barrages

[shell heron]

Or I can take out my foxes again just for them

[sharp wing]

Foxes got BAITED

Well, i'm gonna do just that

[shell heron]

the cookie cutter VG does decent damage to eld if you land a good amount of torps

yukikaze and belfast have respectable torp stats

[sharp wing]

Yukie often is mvp on my end

She uses quint rainbows

[shell heron]

Same

[sharp wing]

almost 600 torp stat

[shell heron]

Yuki is just too good. She can become the cockroach that will outlive your entire fleet

[sharp wing]

yeah...

tho that's usually my Juneau

[shell heron]

I put my Juneau in tank position and she sometimes outlive my main fleet

[sharp wing]

Same

i don't like her sandwich at all

At least on attacc

On deff it's bit different

But anyway

I even not fancy oathing her, cause it will make her more on that end

[shell heron]

Ah there we do, was looking at the pins to confirm that attackers take 80% dmg

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[shell heron]

So I don't need her in the middle that she lives even longer

[sharp wing]

So it is usually reffered as 20% damage buff

Same thing

[shell heron]

I would consider those different. A 20% dmg buff makes me think of matches ending faster

[sharp wing]

Well

[blazing scroll]

My Juneau is also in the middle on attack

But still dies first

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

Portland outlives her pretty much

[sharp wing]

Oh, Port...

well, nothing strange

[shell heron]

then that's the opposite problem I have sometimes. where my junny won't die as tank

[sharp wing]

Same for me

Guess w/ Saint she goes to middle

[blazing scroll]

Yeah

I will swap portland out as soon as my Saint Louis is properly developed

[sharp wing]

I have pretty many Juneau solo vg fights

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

Tho yukie ofc rival her

[blazing scroll]

My ykk does most of the solo vg fights

Which makes more sense

[shell heron]

I'm wondering which VG will be more optimal when sanrui comes online for us. Juneau/Yukikaze/Saint Louis or Juneau/Belfast/Saint Louis?

[blazing scroll]

Because Juneau has terrible luck

Ykk > belfast for me

[sharp wing]

Yukie for sure

[blazing scroll]

Don't see any reason for Belfast

[sharp wing]

Foxes are extinct anyway

Except for some rushers

[shell heron]

Juneau will never go away with that 25% heal...if it goes off

[sharp wing]

Well...

On Attacc it's less important

Esp if yr VG lives long and consisntently

It keeps luring avi bombs and bb shots

Pearls might just cut the dela

[shell heron]

It's not BB main fleet meta yet with casuals still running foxes. Or I would have switched to boilers over toolboxes already

[sharp wing]

Well, ye, fox rushers still plenty

En ppl in general too lazy

Many just run Amagi Foxes

No work put in there 1st after foxes farm, 2nd after Amagi event

Some swapped Amagi for Nyaga

And few tryhards w/ Amaryuu on Sandy

[blazing scroll]

Nothing wrong with Namaryuu 👀

[sharp wing]

I mean, very few ppl bother

[blazing scroll]

True

[sharp wing]

In general, Sandy ppl don't

And like 1/5 of top 100

or less

[shell heron]

It's spreading in avrora pretty fast. I'm seeing Namaryuu more often in lower ranks.

Even more so at top 600

[sharp wing]

Don't compare Aurora to sandy

Even Lexi to Sandy aint quiet comparison

TBH Washi potentially have more active ppl, but they are also much newer players

So potentially less heavy cmps too

Those middle servers always come to some stagnancy

I hope we are not getting more servers tho

[leaden sequoia]

Getting more servers would make Washi a middle server as well, with all the repercussions you mentioned

[sharp wing]

Yeah. that's were i was leading

I have no insight on Washi pvp tho

Would like to hear some Washi regulars input

[leaden sequoia]

most notable ones I often fight against are offensive Namaryuu with Bel/Aya/Jintsuu, Namaryuu with torpsquad and Nakaga with torpsquad

(surprisingly?) fewer Namaryuu with stall Bel/Jun/Nanoda or Sheff/Jun/Nanoda

fewer Amakaga since Nagato became a thing in EN

[sharp wing]

And how many Namaryuus are there in like top 100

[leaden sequoia]

I dunno

[sharp wing]

Well, like 1/5?

less more

[leaden sequoia]

feels like 20% or 25%

but

[sharp wing]

Pretty much same as Sandy

[leaden sequoia]

I'd rather ask someone else for a more concrete input

[sharp wing]

Well, as i said, i expect Washi to be even more active, than Sandy, but that playerbase in general much fresher, so i expect less tough comps

But Naga and less Amagi events are recent

So at least Nakaga should be there

I wonder if there is some statistics on how many new accounts are being created on each server

[leaden sequoia]

right now the default server is actually Sandy, so if anything, Sandy should experience an influx of new players instead of Washy recently

but then Sandy has a lot more older players so you don't see newbies in top 100/1000

[sharp wing]

Well, probably due to Sandy being lowest pop

Or lowest on new accounts

[leaden sequoia]

and yeah, I noticed that enough ppl have maxed meta comps, but without BiS gear and/or oathed ships

[sharp wing]

Well, for new ppl, esp more casual ones, getting gear maxed isn't fast and easy process

So that is expected too

Esp if you need to use dedicated gear for def fleets

[wicked rivet]

maxing gear takes a lot of time

[sharp wing]

I'd expect many def fleets there not having +10 gears,e ven if top comps

[modern tree]

Maxing gear takes like one event cuz sirens/characters drop guaranteed plates, and multiple

[sharp wing]

Well, casuals don't really farm events much

[modern tree]

So you just get a pile

[wicked rivet]

this event is actually great

[leaden sequoia]

maxing gear is much less of an issue per se

[wicked rivet]

D3 drops only useful stuff

[leaden sequoia]

the headache is to farm bps for gear

[wicked rivet]

gold bofors

[sharp wing]

I expected homing torps but oh well

[wicked rivet]

I like the bofors more tbh

[sharp wing]

Bofors you can farm from campaign

But those homing torps are mythical

Since after event i haven't got single from boxes

[leaden sequoia]

and gear like HPFCR being limited in the event that ran a week after the server launched doesn't help, either

[wicked rivet]

same

well

Ive gotten purples

but I still only have 1 gold of each

[sharp wing]

Purples aint quite cut it

[leaden sequoia]

and it cannot be obtained through research either, unlike Reppuu and Ryuusei

[wicked rivet]

theyre nice for auto

especially since im out of gold quints

[sharp wing]

I have raibow + 2 quad golds homing just enough for pvp fleet and that's it

[wicked rivet]

I have rainbow + 1 gold of each

[sharp wing]

And those golds i farmed from event map

[wicked rivet]

same

oh not same

actually maybe same? I dont remember tbh

i bought all the shop stuff

[sharp wing]

Gold quint also not great...

long reload and t2 damage

[wicked rivet]

gold quint is meh but

[sharp wing]

gold homing quints

[shell heron]

they are on mogami, but using her in pvp is

[wicked rivet]

I use the gold quad and rainbow quint on pvp

mogami in pvp

[sharp wing]

lol

[wicked rivet]

I have my mogami in my def fleet for now

she a good girl

and 200 affinity

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

I'm just using normal quints in pvp other than my one rainbow mag on yuki