and with lower accuracy since range
#pvp
finite valve
180% is no joke
sharp wing
And she needs Ap gun to even try to not miss at vg bouncing around
So overall damage will be poo
zenith tundra
152 proto from research is here
zenith tundra
soon enough
elder crane
Yeah, but you have 2 CL guns at 117% (effective with the -35%) vs 2 CL guns, at, say, 135% plus a DD gun at 65%, with bis at longer range so less likely to hit too
zenith tundra
i'm at 20/25 for 203 mle. pretty sure someone out there has as many for 152 
elder crane
I'm at 23/25! for the 410 meme gun...
sharp wing
12 here
elder crane
20/25 my highest, and that's the 410 AP gun...
finite valve
i am at 25/25 for the 381
and who tf said that it is hard to get the 381 when it move to PR?
zenith tundra
it does cost a lot of investment to get tho
elder crane
oh, so not just me then
zenith tundra
server dying it seems
zenith tundra
it has never been so bad for me tho
sharp wing
me too
elder crane
Most of my PRs
sharp wing
I just saw... we have Iris Libre leak in factions in dock
sharp wing
zenith tundra
isnt saint louis iris?
sharp wing
KGV has new faction leak in skill too
elder crane
Saint Louis is Iris Libre
sharp wing
Ah, ye. Forgot
elder crane
Yeah, KGV includes the Italians
zenith tundra
now let's see how much till fish ships
elder crane
But yeah, I've 20+ bps on pretty much every one of the more useless PR equips
Well, tbf that's only the three, but still
sharp wing
My highest is 17 rudder
elder crane
410 meme gun, 100 mm shitty AA gun, 410 AP gun
finite valve
i swear all these not center map after each fight in c3 is driving me crazy
map keep moving to the left in c3
fucking hell
zenith tundra
12 aa radar/8 washing maschine/20 203mle/14 152/11 381 tripple/12 381 double/15 staag/20 410 ap/15 410 meme/10 bad aa gun/10 203 skc
pretty behind i'd say but i never get good equip researches
shell heron
I'd say you got more than me.
zenith tundra
and less then some others
zenith tundra
lvl 5 bismark barrage has chances to hit on sides too... maybe her barrage won't be that amazing but at least not useless when enemy flagship dies
coral wren
hm, if i got unlucky with pr reroll it's best to just do small researches right?
shell heron
That's what I do
elder crane
A lot some of the small ones are pretty good too
The 1H Q small one is the next best free one in terms of rewards per time spent after the Purple/Gold B ones
Though it only gives equip bps
coral wren
Aighty, thank you!
midnight heron
damn ultimate sandbaggers 😮 and i only hav 1 charge left (no sandbag)
modern tree
I am not sure what's wrong with this banner, but I just got Sussex from it, while I can't even pick Sussex in wishing well
odd schooner
modern tree
Now I just need to get the last Monitor before bisquit to properly express how bad my luck is
lament imp
Hao2sandbag
modern tree
Camp harder than you would in call of duty
shell heron
Step 1: Camp your list
Step 2: Nobody moves
Step 3: Cry
modern tree
This late in the season you just reset your game sometimes, check your list, check if the person that just pushed to top100 has 35 or more points than you, cash in, repeat
modern tree
You can't normalize trying for score in a side activity
shell heron
That's not wrong, if everyone sandbags. nobody can sandbag
We can but it will be cutting it close every reset on who moves first
modern tree
Most people will still just farm it or jerk it to being nr1 for 20 mins mid season
You can't make majority of playerbase competitive, it just never gonna work
shell heron
It's a little annoying to guess how many bonus points you can earn early on. So I don't think people want to bother with it
modern tree
Hell, most people that post here are casuals that quit when they can reach gensui or farm score just to get couple of extra merits at top10
shell heron
The amount of us that aim for end of season rankings is so small we kind of know who each other are
but that 12+ hour maintenance got quite a few of us.
we need that every season
modern tree
Most games would be lucky to have more than 0.5% of their playerbase be actual tryhards. I imagine a harem waifu mobile game would be lucky to go over couple of promiles
finite valve
calling ppl casual when no one in this channel manage to get rank 1 at end of season in the most competitive server AKA avrora
vague token
match maker gave me a bonus +1 =D
modern tree
I don't even know what your meme arrow is trying to convey
shell heron
It honestly all comes down to luck to get end of season rank 1. A few of us do get consistent top 10.
Vysaga and Famine are regulars here. This was last season
finite valve
well if you so hard core then you should get rank 1 no?
modern tree
@hot creek hey, have you heard that your last 4+ top 1 finishes are luck?
finite valve
i mean famine is not even discussing anything here
hell all the top 1 never discuss anything here
vague token
vysaga is active here wut
split socket
daxam is pretty casual too
finite valve
i never saw him so dk
modern tree
I mean, I will not deny that I could try harder to reach beyond top 5, but I am in a bad timezone and work in game dev so I can't really afford to lose all my sleep
split socket
we have same timezone and I'm in game dev too (not even jking)
but yea, I'm going full casual pvp atm
finite valve
problem is how do you know all the top 1 are not in the same situation?
since most of them never speak here
split socket
as far as sandy goes, phoenixF is the only one that consistenty gets a high score at end of season
even when I tryhard hes still ~5-15 pts ahead of me
modern tree
Phoenix is a neet in a good timezone
He generally sets me back like 9 points in the whole season by the merit of farming all the resets instead of sleeping through one
vague token
xD
split socket
all I know is that the hotfix crashed my game 
finite valve
sharp wing
There would be much more competitive ppl in pvp, if they felt, that their work was actually rewarding. 1stly the ability to reroll each battle is total bs, to be frank. Not that AL is one of those games, where you farm gear sets for each character for months, but anyway. Even ppl without proper gear and comp, who hasn't invested much time or effort in it can win after rerolling few times and getting good rng. That's pretty disheartening for any1 investing in comp. 2nd is the retarded system w/ bonus points based on RNG enemy list, which get abused by sandbagging...
wicked rivet
Yes but i wanted to say 69 more than 96 
wicked rivet
finite valve
then how would you need to change the point system?
sharp wing
PVP needs rework
modern tree
I wanna tag phoenix again as a joke but ima post my stages of pvp depression once I get home instead
finite valve
problem with default point is that how to get ahead?
modern tree
Yeah dude, I would love to just rush my gambling against Amagi hiryuu cuz I have no reason to apply myself since in the end I am just rolling dice
Makes whole system so much more skill based
wicked rivet
Fuck that
finite valve
if that the case then you need to remove reset
wicked rivet
If resets were taken away there would be literally no point to pvp
Cause as we've said
finite valve
since that system is base on the fact that if you lose a match you lose point for rank
wicked rivet
Its an rng shitfest
sharp wing
We don't have to invent anything here, there a lot of other games, with working pvp system without this bs
finite valve
isn't it the same for any pvp for moblie?
the only diff is that most other pvp system are base on gear
wicked rivet
Oh your amagi didnt proc on the first shot and their VG blocked the shots towards hiryuu? No early proc? Ur screwed
finite valve
so if your gear are superior you win
finite valve
i know
sharp wing
It's always gear+comp+luck
finite valve
my point is that default point system are base on the gear system
not on a RNG system
sharp wing
But Al brings it to new lvl
finite valve
RNG bring too much shit to the table that a default point system is not going to work
modern tree
Name one system that can limit how much merits you can earn a day, while simultaneously leaving room for user input. No resets, no sandbagging
finite valve
any RPG pvp system basically
but like i said those system are base on gear / OP, rare character
since if you lose a match you lose point for rank
you can try e7 since i think it has the same system
modern tree
Ah, but we don't want people grinding for rank since every game awards currency
sharp wing
For same kind of auto combat you can try kings raid or Lyn
non turn based rpgs
it's actually 1st game I encountered "sandbagging"
modern tree
I could write a paper on how good the current system is from game design standpoint
sharp wing
At least to the points, it's decisive factor
finite valve
cus the game is base on RNG?
sharp wing
sharp wing
Well, most of pvps will be based on RNG, said E7
finite valve
e7 is base on gear and character tho
sharp wing
To some extend
finite valve
mostly
sharp wing
'mostly'
yeah
That's other question that AL pvp also has very few "meta" setups
despite having over 300 characters
wicked rivet
True
finite valve
not like other game are diff
wicked rivet
And most are event ships
sour oasis
@modern tree i would want to read that paper (if either of us had time)
finite valve
you talk as if other game don't have casual who can't get limited hero aren't going to run away when facing meta comp
it's the same
sour oasis
Innocent Bane had a great PvP system... But it was also easily abused. (and the Game died fast)
sharp wing
Well, if i jsut started playing, but events w/ Amagi and Nyaga have reruns in a year...
But i'm competitive pvp player
What do i do?
Nothing.
End of pvp carrier
That's how it looks to ppl
sour oasis
PvP for the bullin. It's what I'm doing (because I can barely pvp 10x a day)
trim horizon
I don't think most people who dl AL don't even think about PvP
sharp wing
Well, i only do gensui frankly
sour oasis
AL throws a lot at people. A strong PvP wouldn't hurt.
sharp wing
Content in Al aside from event farm....
sour oasis
Or a puzzle/gauntlet race. But that's what EX maps are like.
sharp wing
Wait... There none... PVP
finite valve
But i'm competitive pvp player when i don't need to spend IRL money for limited ship
sour oasis
PvP is "content"?
finite valve
fixed it for you
problem with other game pvp is the amount of luck you need to have to pull an OP unit for pvp
sour oasis
What about story mode, secretary quest, fleet grind?
finite valve
image if FGO got pvp system and you got shit luck who can't pull weaver or merlin?
sharp wing
Story is done once and forgoten
finite valve
that is the problem with all RPG pvp system
sharp wing
And it takes very few time
finite valve
in AL getting limited ship are ez
sour oasis
What. I'm still in 10-4.
trim horizon
they are struggling fixing their events, like rn the map B/D is not appearing even after a mini patch and the counter going down
sharp wing
trim horizon
Im not seeing it
finite valve
is not even time
sharp wing
trim horizon
I don't see the timer
finite valve
SS?
sharp wing
Me too
trim horizon
finite valve
try and close than open the app again?
sharp wing
I just restarted app
finite valve
weird lel
split socket
think it's an old bug
finite valve
everyone got that same hot fix
trim horizon
old bug huh
finite valve
but yes it is not time yet
split socket
timer or not, it'll still unlock
finite valve
50m till b/d map
split socket
it's just visual bug
sharp wing
I had timer before hotfix tho
trim horizon
visual bugs
finite valve
just chill and discuss about how AL pvp system is diff from RPG pvp system
modern tree
Stages of pvp depression:
- resets are cheating
- fuck sandbagging who does that
- pvp needs a rework
- why isnt my list moving
- I slept on some charges, whaddup
sharp wing
Al stoped being RPG?
modern tree
hey
sharp wing
well, there other waifu collectors w/ pvp
finite valve
like KC?
split socket
u roleplay as shikikan 
finite valve
that the only game off the top of my head
sharp wing
what
finite valve
and btw KC pvp is shit since it does not have a ranking / reward for pvp
sharp wing
what is KC
split socket
kancolle
sharp wing
oh, it has pvp?
split socket
"pvp"
finite valve
kind of
split socket
it's as much pvp as it's here
finite valve
i said kind of cus is not actually pvp but rather another exp source
it don't have a ranking tho
neither does reward
finite valve
pvp = no reward = no 1 going to care for pvp
sharp wing
split socket
like how ppl care about pvp now?
sharp wing
So we finish story and quit
split socket
sharp wing
finite valve
99% of the ppl who do the pvp is cus of reward
sharp wing
pretty much
finite valve
you remove the reward = only the top sandbagger going to play
finite valve
implying casual going to beat meta def fleet
trim horizon
imagine having gems and rings as rewards 
sharp wing
finite valve
which is what most if not all sandbagger fleet
sharp wing
Many games actually has currency as pvp rewards
split socket
rings for top 10 end of season
sharp wing
Even the ones, with similar gameplay to AL
finite valve
which one?
sharp wing
like Lyn
finite valve
dk about lyn since i only know the name of the top 5 or so
anything below is outside of my radar
wheat rivet
anyone know about king george's pvp viability?
sharp wing
Kings raid kinda has same playstyle
sharp wing
We also have characters and gear
finite valve
bro try and get limited character in there and tell me you don't need to spend money
is like compare FGO to AL
finite valve
problem is the % you get lucky to get a limited unit
that's the main core of king raid pvp tho isn't it?
sharp wing
As i said, new pvp players also have no Amagi, Naga, Washi whatever
sharp wing
We can comapre how pvp works
finite valve
sure then list some change you would like to make to AL pvp
since i don't play king raid
sharp wing
Me neither
finite valve
you still left with a hot mess that is RNG
finite valve
i don't think ppl going to accept that as an answer tbh
sharp wing
We can remove half RNG
I mean, attack side already has 20% damage advantage
That's enough to counter for RNG
sharp wing
Can't deal w/ that
trim horizon
honestly... my only issue for pvp so far is the reset and how it favors timezone
trim horizon
you can't really get rid of rng
sharp wing
you can't rid of all of it, but you can get rid of a lot of it
wicked rivet
How?
finite valve
also to answer the reason why you need to get rid of RNG is that tier list exist
since in all other pvp system there is absolutely no way a t0 pvp team going to lose to a t1 team unless they are under gear or under lvl
so unless you can fix the RNG part
no way it going to work
sharp wing
actually .. you prolly played not many games...
wicked rivet
@modern tree your list is literally the stages ive gone through from the first season I did pvp to this season
sharp wing
But whatever
modern tree
yea
finite valve
true since i never do any pvp in those game
modern tree
I based it on real life experiences
finite valve
since i am never going to win with my shit pull
sharp wing
lol...
midnight heron
only way to make pvp competitive is to put compellling rewards
finite valve
@midnight heron that just means more cancer def fleet
midnight heron
cant rly fix those imo
finite valve
you want 99% of the player base pissed cus all they got on their list are all cancer?
that how you make cnacer
midnight heron
i strongly believe rng will always be present in gacha games
sharp wing
It is and will be
finite valve
the question is how much % does RNG going to affect the system?
midnight heron
no matter the % there will be someone out there who will find a problem with it
finite valve
so just let's the unlucky 1% to deal with it and call it a day?
midnight heron
we can all strive to make things better but when considering costs and such
i jsut let devs decide wats best
midnight heron
im still gonna complain about bad rng in pvp tho
finite valve
modern tree
Brace for hastily put together wall of text that I probably could have spent more time on, but I am hungry
fucking nvm, discord has 2k character limit
I did not know that, surprisingly
I guess I can just split it
Why is Azure Lane pvp system "good" and why it will not change:
Lets start by stating that the current system acomplishes basically everything that you'd want of a competitive twist on your waifu collecting game, it's inclusive, has room for competitiveness and encourages user to check back with the game multiple times a day.
Starting out, the "competitive" population of most games does not matter. People like pretending that making the game more skill based or catering to the "pros" is a way to go, but in essence, most games that even sell themselves on how competitive they are, have an overwhelmingly huge casual audence and the only way to keep this audience is make the game inclusive. In AL, it is acomplished on multiple stages. You get a choice of who you want to tackle out of 4 different fleets, and you get to quit out of the game that is not going your way at any time without penalty. Both of those make the game extremly beginner friendly since even if half of the players commit to very serious defensive fleets, other half will still get to farm eachother with no consequence. This is helped by the fact that mere presence of those hard fleets invites the player to try harder and get out of jail free card in form of free resets is what encourages it.
Game has a system that appeals to casual audience, but labels itself as pvp, or competitive, How do you benefit from that? The way AL did it is splitting the charge resets in 3 batches. Yes, the reason you dont just get 15 charges every day to use however you want is because you are being PLAYED. The game forces you to engage with it more than once a day. The incentive to get unique reward or stay competitive keeps you coming back to check on it, and hey, your phone is already out, check your dorm, refresh commisions, maybe play a few maps? You are hooked and every time you are exposed to the game, you are likely to indulge yourself. #game design
How to make your all inclusive game competitive? We already have the charges that keep people hooked, but what incentive do they have to play? If all people have the same charges, only thing that separates them is how fast they can play the game. If you burn all the charges on the reset and you've been keeping up, there is a pretty damn good chance you will land at nr, 1 and this is all the incentive 98% of the players will ever need. Now, thanks to the extra points you can earn by waiting, other people that didnt play as fast, get to be nr. 1 next reset. It's fucking briliant because it's so fucking simple. You create an enviornment where basically anyone can be NUMBA WON at any point in time EXCEPT for the end of the season. Yep, this system also enables abuse beyone imagination. Farming people for points. This is how you keep the remaining 2% of your playerbase happy. Instead of jerking it to becoming nr 1 for a brief moment mid season, those gnarly mofos sit there and jerk it to being nr. 1 where nobody could have ever surpassed them.
This is why AL pvp system is fine as it is and it is unlikely to change. Whatever suggestion you have, it it likely not meeting one of the points listed above and automatically inferior. Games are great when they are fun, but they also have to pay the bills. The system in Azure Lane acomplishes both.
na, because the dopamine hit you get for beating something that you perceive as a challenge is not diminished into negative if you remove risk from it
midnight heron
my short reply wud be: one man's meat is another man's poison
even if it's changed to wat u deem to be fun, others might not find it so
sharp wing
I mean, by looking that all my friends quit pvp... I can see how discouraging it is
Sandy pvp last 2 months are ded
finite valve
problem is cus: 1) reward for pvp suck 2) fleet not optimize enough to beat cancer 3) sand bagging exist
sharp wing
beating cancer isn't even problem
whatcancer?
Where you see cancer
i forgot last time i rerolled
finite valve
you are talking about the fact that everyone is using the same fleet to beat each other
split socket
that's not even a problem in sandy
sharp wing
Let's forget about characters for a bit at all
split socket
u can easily reach gensui without even sandbagging lol
sharp wing
Well, true dat
But not compete w/ sandbaggers
Or random lucky ppl who got +12 points something on season start
And that's the most discouraging part
modern tree
Your own perception of pvp rewards does not matter, because the majority of the people will see things they cant earn any other way, thefore the rewards are great. Not optimised fleet does not matter because RNG and resets are an equaliser, and at worst, you get to pick someone else to fight. Sand bagging doesnt matter because it is something you do exclusively because you want to do better, thefore you are already hooked beyond what majority of the users desire. You have to realise that you are less than 1% and your negative impression of pvp does not make the system any worse.
sharp wing
The system cannot get any worse, that's the point
finite valve
@split socket depend on the server you are in
split socket
that's what I said. On Sandy
finite valve
in avrora well gl getting to gensui w/o sandbag
sharp wing
On Sandy that is
sharp wing
midnight heron
if u rly want a change to happen, then try to get da devs to start a poll or smth which they will promise to commit to, so u at least get an idea of wat da majority of participants want
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sharp wing
As i already said, discussing anything here won't change anything, so...
modern tree
There is actually no point in trying to fix the system that isn't broken. It performs its function.
sharp wing
It's just rant
zenith tundra
u push for aotn rush but no one moves in ur list...
finite valve
sharp wing
finite valve
not like i have enough point for aotn
going to wait for 2 rush
or saturday if i have to
zenith tundra
what a bunch of casuals... 1 aotn so far
sharp wing
It's inevitable like dawn
finite valve
lel
zenith tundra
sorry i meant avrora players in general
finite valve
might have enough at 2 rush
shell heron
I'll wait for next reset. Pushing now I'll be at 2185
midnight heron
cant rush either not enuf points lmao
zenith tundra
are rushers so behind that they cannot get aotn
hot creek
I am indeed a bit of a luckerdog, if I do say so myself
zenith tundra
i understand all sandbaggers out due to maint
split socket
I usually rush aotn but I missed 8 attacks already this season so I'm out 😄
midnight heron
there r definitely still sandbaggers out there tho they just not in dis chat
zenith tundra
i hope i get it with 7 behind tbh
sharp wing
Rushing Sandy is pointless xD
shell heron
I might still use all 10 before next reset. So I can rush faster
sharp wing
Lmao, chat 'history'
midnight heron
better to rush b3 for daily points
finite valve
50 years
zenith tundra
welp time to farm event then
hot creek
I'm still in this season, since I pushed to 1/10 before the patch and there were only two guys above who aren't anymore because they missed matches. So I will finish r1 for free this season.
sharp wing
finite valve
tfw all sandbagger lost -50 so no one is rushing
i think that's what happen on avrora
zenith tundra
i was expecting rushers to be able to rush tho
zenith tundra
more like better merit shop
sharp wing
Merit shop w/ rings
1 mill per ring
Sounds fine
looks at 25 purins at dock
Yeah, no.
zenith tundra
i don't really want anything from gem stuff just something better. maybe some gold bps for good equip like reppu/ryuusei/hsfcr or stuff like that
midnight heron
rly tho if u put rings in merit shop a lotta f2p will start pvping srsly
hot creek
and btw KC has ranking system but its not really based on battling others. The daily excercies vs others are just a source of XP. However the ranking system ,which actually gives rewards, is similar to farming event currency and being at top of leader boards for that here.
sharp wing
Yeah, all rankings here are pointless
hot creek
nah KC ranking can actually give you OP rewards
imagine getting another gold FCR
thats what KC ranking could give you
hot creek
ranking leaderboards in this game is pointless except for flexing which is why its great lol
split socket
it's good as it is imo, that way ppl who care about meaningless ranks can still go for it and have fun, and ppl who want to have a life can do it without missing out on anything important
sharp wing
zenith tundra
equip is not necessarily op and u could just give bps so no one can just get luckier then others
sharp wing
Casuals xD
split socket
pls gems 
sharp wing
Meanwhile most games have currency rewards
modern tree
make it gems so Phoenix can oath his whole dock
sharp wing
1 guy in my room oathed over 150 already
Well, for NA ppl...
Those few $ aint matter much
Here the course is obnoxious
I like how steam equalize prices based on region
zenith tundra
which isn't necessarily true tbh since i pay euro prices with way lower income then eu people @sharp wing
hot creek
KC rings lower your girls' oil consumption by 15% too 
sharp wing
No1 stop u
But maintaining family and paying for game in $ is different for you and for them
hot creek
Dropped KC cause the mechanics/gameplay were kind of stressful and infuriating during event time. Playing that game at the highest levels require you to be a masochist. Then I try out AL and it was perfect since its casual AF.
sharp wing
I know that feeling
Dropped some game cause of that too
Esp when you need to score in guild ranking for events and have to carry whole guild w/ few other ppl
To get those gems
and to brag a little
hot creek
https://puu.sh/DwMj9/bf84e561b7.png burning red books
hot creek
Don't get too general though, otherwise you will be warned for off topic.
zenith tundra
ibuki and roon already consumed all my red books i have like nothing left for bismark and kgv
zenith tundra
3 t3 2 t2 18 t1 lol
sharp wing
Well, i have 26 maxed red skills and about same lvl 8 skills and have few hundred t2 and t1 red books left
getting few t3 reds here and there regulary
zenith tundra
i need to start rebuying red books but where do i even get gold from
sharp wing
Some come from exchange too
hot creek
I always used my t3 red sparsely
finite valve
i am now using all my t2 book first before t3
zenith tundra
i haven't seen a red book in medal exchange in a while
finite valve
only use t3 when i get to work
sharp wing
263 t1 158 t2
Tho i usually skill not more than 2 red skills at time, just don't have so many active red skill ships
I was actively using blue books laltely
Basically i use all t3 books equally
Sandy max still 2161
sharp wing
KGV is shop and build only
zenith tundra
no gold ship drop?
sharp wing
Only Echo is drop
finite valve
no
finite valve
modern tree
this event is really bad aside for the story that someone actually put effort into
finite valve
still weird they just say fuck it and not put drop ship in d3
which they always do
lel
sharp wing
Yeah, only drop event ship is Echo
finite valve
so either banana farm or bofors farm
zenith tundra
rewards are ok with general pr bps and that's all u need lol
finite valve
hell cat might be another candidate
modern tree
cudas are really cheap to farm
sharp wing
zenith tundra
if only it wasn't c3 tho. it takes so much to farm with 110 x clear
finite valve
you can just siren farm tho
hot creek
i take that back, I probably won't even bother farming the full 60k currency required for that extra 2 BP
finite valve
if you want to farm point i think it is better to do d3 then move back to c3
zenith tundra
siren farm is not worth over full clear
finite valve
why?
zenith tundra
boss have much higher drop %
finite valve
despite the oil cost to do 4 more battle?
zenith tundra
that's what alec people said
sharp wing
And you can farm event points same time
zenith tundra
i was just asking around for iris mle farming
finite valve
oh that 138.6
might be
dk for sure tho
since like i said the community has been iffy about drop rate since forever
so i dk
zenith tundra
i don't think i care enough for cudas to siren farming when i don't have infinite oil and can barely clear the 60k
finite valve
but you will once jb hit
that everyone here know
lel
1 way or the other ppl going to whale for 138.6
zenith tundra
mle i would totally siren farm for days but not cudas
zenith tundra
let's just wait for oc rerun
zenith tundra
those purple torp are even worth it tho?
finite valve
fast reload i hear
sharp wing
fastest torps
finite valve
only fires 3 tho
zenith tundra
no homing too
zenith tundra
the only ship that would remotely use them might be ibuki
sharp wing
Their damage is actually high, but too big spread, triple at 50
hot creek
oh what the heck i just realized D maps are open
sharp wing
an hr ago
zenith tundra
i was wasting time waiting for ghosts to aotn rush so didn't start earlier
sharp wing
vague token
o.o
coral wren
@finite valve Sounds like its Sandy's time to shine.
ionic magnet
what gears drop in D maps? wiki doesnt show for some reason
modern tree
bofor I think
ionic magnet
d3?
modern tree
d3 is bofor I think, d1 is tirp gun
shy hazel
just farm bananas 
zenith tundra
wtf is ss in d2 req?
hot creek
asw
vague token
wow, ive been granted two bonus points purely through match maker
o.o
oh right today is rush day
so the points are higher
zenith tundra
is bismark barrage short compared to others? i feel like it's easy for her to just not hit anything sometimes
even when i tried in pvp her barrage was barely reaching backlines compared to kaga bb that usually reaches them fully
raw osprey
vague token
the positioning seems weird on bismarck but maybe it gets more range or something when it levels?
or maybe it's for shooting vanguards and you pray you shoot backline
with your crit gun
zenith tundra
i feel like it might just be bugged tbh
vague token
business as usual then xD
raw osprey
done 10min ago
vague token
no need to rush i think
raw osprey
vague token
also huh, biscuit barrage DOES aim precisely on maya's position
in 8-4
that's a weird spot
isnt that shorter than hood barrage
zenith tundra
in pvp it doesn't reach backlines
vague token
yeah i figured
maya is forward compared to most bosses
so if it lands on her
there's no way it hits the backline
zenith tundra
that's exactly why i think is bugged tbh because it's useless if it doesn't reach backlines
shell heron
Well I rushed and barely touched top gensui with rank 6
zenith tundra
+6 caught up a bit more
shell heron
free bonus points from me I guess
vague token
woo!
zenith tundra
she can mvp over belfast with 9 less levels
vague token
what the
agito hayate has 110 roon and 108 saint louis
both oathed lol
what a god
also they move sooooo slooow
xD
also yeah that bismarck barrage is busted, doesnt hit anything with that range lol
enemy bismarck hits open water in front of your main but behind your vanguard
your own should do the same
raw osprey
🚮 Bismarck
zenith tundra
made a post in #game-feedback let's see
zenith tundra
amagi barrage was busted too at launch, only the other way around, she would just melt opponent flagship
it's d3 boos tough?
i kind of want to try tirp roon only for boss
modest elbow
zenith tundra
i'll put an yuki in there for safety then
finite valve
they can't hurt your ship if you kill them in 10s
vague token
just use yuki and fortune same time obviously xD
zenith tundra
2ca and 1cl sirens + 1 normal node...
zenith tundra
still lb0 bismark with no damage
finite valve
oh rip then
safe meteor
someone already made their way to D1 D2 and D3?
zenith tundra
fp torp
finite valve
wiki have it i think?
quaint ferry
what's your strats for EX?
zenith tundra
i don't play ex
vague token
oh wow that's uh, a lot of stats
finite valve
use 2 full fleet then retreat one
quaint ferry
D2 seems kinda annoying but D3 is doable with Akagi Kaga Amagi/Nagato as boss fleet
vague token
ex doesnt give us merits ;)
quaint ferry
extar mode = black stage, there's a mission that gives u 2 cubes, that's it xD
safe meteor
got D3 unlocked someone?
quaint ferry
I finished all D stages
safe meteor
could you tell me the weapon drops from D 1 D 2 and D3
safe meteor
alright
quaint ferry
safe meteor
so i can just keep farming C2 and C3 for now
finite valve
yeh
quaint ferry
that's what d3 drops
safe meteor
thanks
finite valve
or 2 depend on how safe tou want them to be
zenith tundra
d3 boss i s pretty brutal
safe meteor
Bofors still endgame though now with research weapons?
vague token
i mean, you wont have that many lol
finite valve
bofors and UFO still top AA
quaint ferry
it only allows 1 fleet 
safe meteor
ah i guess so
finite valve
@quaint ferry that's EX stage not black
quaint ferry
where is black stage? 
safe meteor
ive been pulling non stop from event build, still no Bismarck....
spice tusk
how does bismarck fare in pvp?
quaint ferry
I'll see if my D3 comp works for black
finite valve
@spice tusk ask yourself if anyone got a 110 + 200 aff + max all 3 skills in 2 days
vague token
sadly, her barrage currently hits nothing
finite valve
then you will have your answer
vague token
it lands in between main and vanguard
aka one maya distance away
so hey if you want to farm 8-4
velvet fossil
Even in pve it lands short a lot of the time
velvet fossil
vague token
depends on what they want it to do xD
zenith tundra
there is no way for her barrage to be like that by design. it must be a bug
vague token
is it supposed to be a short range barrage meant to clear vanguard so her crit guns go to backline?
or is it just another fixed position barrage like hood
and monarch
vague token
i mean, she could be the first of her kind xD
zenith tundra
to have a completely useless barrage?
vague token
perfect for shooting through all the roon shields
i mean theory wise it makes sense, obviously implementation wise it's trash
quaint ferry
intended gameplay
vague token
bismarck's lore gun is the 380mm ap, perfect for shooting main fleets with
while the w/e ammo of her barrage clears out the weaklings
and dodges any shields
obviously, it wont do that
xD
but it's an IDEA
vague token
yeah
im sure it's probably just a main fleet shot though cause yostar probably wouldnt try anything like that
or maybe the red skill boosts its range
xD
because balance
zenith tundra
.......................................
finite valve
on the subject of broke barrage
vague token
what ammo type is biscuit barrage again?
vague token
are they bb shells or CL shells lol
finite valve
i think normal BB
zenith tundra
normal strong with he dd small
vague token
although kaga bb 2 shots pretty much all medium armor ships xD
vague token
yeah
but ive been having terrible rng lately
been getting big sevened all over without my own to counter pressure
always on the fleets with jintsuu =/
zenith tundra
forced to pvp down that d3 boss. stupid ap shoot melting stuff
literally using namaryuu on it
zenith tundra
i would just use amagi withou nagato the problem is medium armor that gets melted
zenith tundra
i still need dmg so namagi to both tank and dmg
hiryuu just there for xp and screen clear
if bismark barrage is busted wouldn't 410 be a better gun?
finite valve
just go full 406 for the auto crt i say
zenith tundra
i mean u would still want to proc her barrage
finite valve
well yeh if you want to semi proc then yeh why not
zenith tundra
also 406 tends to be too slow
trim horizon
http://prntscr.com/nt2efn 
totally won vs a normal and not undergeared fleet
zenith tundra
u won with 3 underleveled ships...
finite valve
that's RNG for you
zenith tundra
no equip vg
trim horizon
ye
trim horizon
http://prntscr.com/nt2kmq just put Amagi 4Head
dk what am i even doin or trying to achieve
zenith tundra
switching out dl for something else and printz for roon that might become meta
zenith tundra
this event is way too easy lol
vague token
xD
zenith tundra
doing sp + victory mission + hard mission + all normal maps 3x is a total of 2190 x day
till event end just that is 43k pts
vague token
oh wow
zenith tundra
considering that i need 33 d3 to have 60k pts
shy hazel
rip
ill have a hard time filling that sub stat
ive never did ss missions since
introduction
raw osprey
subs 🚮
zenith tundra
u need dd for asw
or cvl
subs stat don't count and subs have no asw capabilities
shy hazel
dumb feature
speaking of pvp holy crap
i forgot to rush
now i dont have a single +
guess ill forget top 10 this season
zenith tundra
i got +6 lol
zenith tundra
i'm 7 behind
and got lucky on last 1 since like only top 5 gave me bonus and got rank 1 2nd time in a row
zenith tundra
i would feel more motivated if there was more competition
vague token
it's fine new season is in 2 days
IT'S FINE
no one will be distracted by the new event im sure
ooh, 30m equip research
glorious
shell heron
was 3 PR gear bp the lowest payout for that?
because I got that, and one of them was the confetti cannon 
ionic magnet
i got that one just now too but i refreshed cos not enough t3 main gun parts 
ionic magnet
lol yea lucky
spent my main gun parts for this quad 356 meme
kgv better be worth it
wicked rivet
just got a +4 
wicked rivet
im 200 behind
vague token
oh lol
wicked rivet
with 9/10
vague token
xD
wicked rivet
this season was dead to me since 2 days before lsat season ended
i might try next week but for now
vague token
gotcha
i think burning 10 matches before 2nd patch might make it close if i want to snipe 1st
cause i ate a few +9s xD
even though the usual super sandbaggers are out i dunno if i can do it
plus i lost a match earlier so that's like -10 already rip
(before)
gotta wait for 2nd rush wave
get all the +1s
vague token
oof
vague token
more like if amagi gets unlucky on the aimed part
of her barrage
then you dont quick snipe enty
and you sad face
/because i dont use hiryuu unless im getting hardcore dunked
wicked rivet
that too
vague token
or you get big sevened to death xD
that's true rng
when i attacked bluerender i think his net big sevens were 8 over me by the end of all my resets
won when neither of us got big seven
sharp obsidian
So, has there been a consensus if Bismarck & KGV's arrival affected our PvP Meta? 😃
modern tree
They honestly won't break anything
But KGV might at least be fun
Bisquit is just kind of bad
zenith tundra
bismark main problem is her barrage being dumb and not hitting properly opponent main fleet
can't say if it's a bug or just programmed to be bad but as of now u miss half shoots just because of the sort range alone
zenith tundra
i'll wait for level 10 before doing that tbh
modern tree
She also has a big problem of buffing nobody that's good in pvp to begin with
zenith tundra
also needs white shells to do actual damage
modern tree
Boats don't suddenly become great because of handful of stats
zenith tundra
for en she doesn't buff anything. with fdg it might be a different story
modern tree
FDG will never be a factor on EN
zenith tundra
idk if she's that good she might just be standing there for a while even with other ship releases
modern tree
Also, good luck trying to get devs to fix barrage in pvp. Check how old is report for Amagi
zenith tundra
the problem is it's bad for pve too
because amagi barrage is pvp defense only
bismark is bad to use for anyone
coral wren
W8, they still haven't fixed amagi? 
zenith tundra
the 2 ap rounds shoots spawn inverted
instead of crossing they go in a v shape
it's only for defense fleets in pvp
got it with 7 behind
vague token
coral wren
Hm, what is the meaning of rushing? To get as quckly as possible to higher placed ppl in order to get bonus points right at the end of a season?
coral wren
Ah, only that, i see then..
vague token
tfw your ykk hits all 4 torps on hiryuu and insta final counters lol
time to nab lots of +1s xD
zenith tundra
i got +2 and -1 so far lol
vague token
owo
zenith tundra
but i'm done with this season
coral wren
btw, you get most of points when rang difference hits 500 points, right?
I kinda forgot the right number
zenith tundra
it's score based mostly
coral wren
Yeah, i meant score
zenith tundra
at 35 score difference u get a +1
coral wren
what do you guys think of the QE + Monarch + Warspite backline?
When season starts it's max +!5 if i'm not wrong since you can just wait for ppl to get way ahead of you
hot creek
use Hood instead of Warspite
coral wren
Hood is way more useful iirc
Because of barrage and hoodgun
I use warspite to snipe amagi
the strategy is basically take out amagi ASAP
modern tree
I think the game just legit gave me 4 charges on the reset
How do those things happen
hot creek
visual bug?
modern tree
Don't think so. Unless I actually can't remember what I did in the past hour, I got robbed
zenith tundra
u didn't camp rushers?
modern tree
I reset with 5/10 sitting on nozoomd who always rushes this reset, then he did, I beat him, rolled into another +1, played it and now I am at 7/10
2225 score
Even my pvp daily says I only played 2
hot creek
you are 1/3 for exercise progress right
modern tree
Yes, it doesn't count the first one
zenith tundra
any chances u were at 4/10 before?
modern tree
There always are, but I remember a name of the guy I fought because I remember that he rushes on this reset. I am pretty sure I also remember burning my rerolls at 5/10, getting him and closing my game so I don't get fucked by comms sticking through reset
steep fog
modern tree
I wish the scores this season weren't so fucked so I can make a comparison