or they could let us choose for more currency
#pvp
buoyant parrot
buoyant parrot
well doesn't matter in my case... I'm not competing in this season anyway 
raw osprey
sharp obsidian
The PVP Team grind never ends 😂
Just when you finish, a Legendary Bismarck appears lol
There goes another Oath Ring and days of Affection Grinding. I wish there was a passive way to gain Affection Points
empty sinew
sad that it stops at 90
sharp obsidian
Yeah, Secretary should just go all the way up to 200
finite valve
@sharp obsidian dorm affinity is a thing
altho i think it going to take at least 1 year to reach 200 if not more
lel
sharp obsidian
@finite valve , Dorm Affinity is useless 😂
finite valve
something is better then nothing
vague token
i mean, when you do get a dorm affinity, it's usually worth a decent amount if i recall?
oh boi rank 9
gimme those + points
what the, double ryuusei nakaga
what is this madness
elder crane
Nah, a heart popup is only a fraction of a single point (iirc exact value RNG)
sharp obsidian
@vague token , I don't think I've seen anything above a 0.1 increase from dorm hearts...
elder crane
Which is pretty 🚮
sharp obsidian
It would take years to reach 200
vague token
oh nvm
buoyant parrot
as if I can use her on the get go lol
vague token
im at like 40% for saint louis
buoyant parrot
well at least I can start working on the next ship which is Saint Louis
buoyant parrot
but on the last 1M of my 2M I went to SP4 for some kizuna points
vague token
ah
buoyant parrot
I'm burned out lol... gotta take it easy for Saint Louis this time
buoyant parrot
I need Columbia as well
buoyant parrot
but 11-4 is oil toilet
vague token
yeah
buoyant parrot
buoyant parrot
here's my 11-4 fleet before Kizuna Event
the OIL... OMG... just by looking at this fleet line up... its disgusting...
vague token
im sorry for your oil
buoyant parrot
vague token
id do 8-4 but i got maya already just a bit ago xD
buoyant parrot
I need Columbia for Collection Ranking
I'll be force to do 11-4 after Kizuna Event
NOT UNLESS BISCO EVENT IS FARM SHINANIGANS AS WELL
shell heron
If anyone is still sandbagging with me on their list, I just did 9 matches so +2 or 3 for you
vague token
oh boi
lament lichen
i wish the people on my list could do that
shy hazel
vague token
i need extra bonus points before i can push xD
vague token
oof
shy hazel
finally got my 30k for last part of shipyard later
too bad i dont have any oil to grind roon
technically i still have 20k in reserve
thats for french botes though
vague token
ah ok
lament lichen
finally sumire moved again
vague token
saw kamita on my list, that's a nope
lament lichen
he already 2 attacks in
charred sable
RIP 3 attacks, was out drinking with coworker and wasn't checking the time 
lament lichen
i dont see kamita
lament lichen
oh nvm he missed a attack
lament lichen
now i need to catch up to novae
shy hazel
your next goal is
lament lichen
he somehow got +0
shy hazel
famine
shy hazel
famine was always behind
lament lichen
i just hold i dont get get people who only get 33 points this time
vague token
lol
lament lichen
better snipe bluerendar
vague token
lol
ionic magnet
if you missed matches its better to rush on saturday night/sunday morning
thats the time that noone cares about scores anymore
steep fog
buoyant parrot
doesn't matter I'm not completing anyway lol
hot creek
ignoring the fact ive been #1 on Sandy for the past like, 9/10 seasons. feelsbadman
hot creek
I might actually lose this season
shy hazel
hot creek
didn't have such a great start this season and one of the other contenders to take #1 is up by two points.
hot creek
tbh the only reason why I ranked 1 so many seasons was cause all those other guys always manage to somehow drop a game every time
but so far they havent, well at least one
hot creek
OhNo
modern tree
in my defense, its a miracle I only dropped one considering I was playing them out on the back of a bar after like 5 pints
hot creek
hmm I had you on my list earlier but chose to refresh to fish for a +1
maybe I should have asked you for assistance
modern tree
the collusion
shy hazel
ripperino
modern tree
I was literally restarting every game where I lost my VG because I could not for the life of me keep track wether my final counter procced
stressful
pretty behind on 2m exp thing however, if only my life was not always getting in the way of my boats
shy hazel
well dont need to rush it anyways
im rushing the shipyard but my research
all poor
lol
very few bps
modern tree
I am not really bothered if I get her day or two late, it's not like I am sitting on 400 BPs to use her
at this point I am finishing Izumo faster than anything else
hot creek
im am conflicted on who to use my general BP on.
modern tree
nobody, sit on them and then flex
hot creek
but if you don't use them, you won't be able to pad out your BP count on the shipyard screen
vague token
lol
shy hazel
jokes on me
i never got more than 3
cos the only research i do is 1.5k ones
or free
vague token
no money for cat =/
hot creek
damn dude, what have you been using your gold on mang
how are you still low on gold at this point
shy hazel
im still building 3 kizuna per day
vague token
xD
hot creek
I am still building three loli a day too
hot creek
yeah i havent got shiiiitt
it sucks
i havent been this unlucky with construction since never
hot creek
i only really want zeppy
vague token
0 of the other two
shy hazel
im also refitting ships i guess
hot creek
but i have none
vague token
rip
shy hazel
i started 0 after maint
now i have the 30k i need for monarch build later
next roon is only 20k
should be able to spend quite abit
unless bismarck event has build
I GOT NO FAKKU
i got no cv kizuna too lol
🖕 
hot creek
fakkyus are the only thing you need tho
buoyant parrot
trading bajillions of Mini for 1 Fakkyu
vague token
lol
shy hazel
my problem with event is
IF im farming roon next
i can't 1-1 event
cos all kms frontline can suck dicks
vague token
wow
shy hazel
uss is just too good
vague token
or wichita
shy hazel
maybe i do sanrui first
shy hazel
i mean is easy
cos can do event properly too
i had fun using saratoga
110 so i wont touch
i just use whatever ships i dont have at 110
to 110
shy hazel
i just 110 doy and warspite
oh one thing thats why i never have gold
in 7 days
i had 4 times
had chicken on it
so never had gold
modern tree
how much exp is 120 from 110? I am pretty sure my Hood is way past that
buoyant parrot
in 4 hours and 30mins we get to touch our 1st PR ship 
just touch though...
steep fog
wouldnt 0lb unicorn die to stray fireboat
vagrant veldt
I recommend Yorktown
steep fog
0lb bm can still kill fire boat
shy hazel
maybe my lvl 80 healer bb
vagrant veldt
damage is easy to control, buffs vanguard
shy hazel
yorktown is too noisy
noisy is fine sometimes
like saratoga
listening to yorktown is depressing though
modern tree
just cave in and level some monitors
modern tree
Nepnod? iduno
hot creek
Headnod™
modern tree
it sort of triggers me that we get asian character cap for every social feature as if we could write sentences with one sign
red nexus
Yeah, that's kinda stoopid
modern tree
chats in game only good for spamming emotes
hot creek
the true pvp
clogging up the chat with your favorite emote
to drown out all other emotes
red nexus
:headnod:
hot creek
how many sanrui bp you holding now?
red nexus
How do you level PR ships?
Do they also need to grind XP
I usally "grind" xp by putting them in 10 hours commision
If i have the oil for that
hot creek
the 1200 oil commission is pretty inefficient xp/oil wise
red nexus
leek
hybrid tendon
midnight heron
@hot creek name ur guild Kidneppers/Take a Nep 
hot creek
those are pretty funny 
buoyant parrot
I wouldn't be surprise if Bismarck skill has something like "Lucky Hit or Shot"
midnight heron
so basically bb enterprise cuz they look da same
vagrant veldt
skill: "Kingston valve" when taking fatal damage, prevent it and a pop up allows commander to choose to sink or not
hot creek
inb4 she is weak to swordfishes/ark royal
modern tree
shes not going to have a weakness because power creep
we need even more beterer BBs
we just had pr2 released, how could they even think of releasing LEGENDARY GERMAN BATTLESHIP that is weaker than those
I am already getting nauseus
hot creek
who are we gonna use for KMS meta
Graf, Roon are safe bet
but the rest of the KMS ships are pretty bad in general
modern tree
good
hot creek
prob could use warspite kai
by the time
wow new UI update apparently add 60fps option, so nice
but can they add 120fps so I can use my 120hz screen
empty sinew
im already playing 60 fps AL and damn, it's like another game
goodbye laggy menu transitions
goodbye stuttering dock and dorm
nice fleet name yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
steep fog
3CA
split socket
wish I could do that with my trash kms vg z_z
modern tree
I am currently clearing 6-7 fights in 11-4 with just this so I am unsure why you need Vestal there, of all boats
modern tree
I am not looking forward to like 300 more fights I need to d today to get Monarch. I should quit my job and social life to grind less on weekends
empty sinew
damn, wanted to do monarch next, but with incoming bisko event, might have to settle for headnod-san
wind orbit
There is no way to reroll pvp opponents after using all my refreshes ?
shy hazel
coral wren
Are there any good he guns for ca with pa research rn?
coral wren
Hm, i heard someone said 203 proto isn't the best he gun for ca
Like, there is a better ones
vagrant veldt
might be the no.3 gun in core date
coral wren
Ah, ty
vagrant veldt
this is the best CA HE gun
modern tree
one from core is just golden 203 mounted
its neat, but its not the 203 mle
which is curiously named like proto trip 203 AA gun on EN
very confusing
modern tree
just use the common CLs, one of tyhem even has kai
modern tree
I think this game broke
I didnt like my auto fleet for 11-4 boss so I put Erebus in it and its working better
grave gale
I used lei, lb0 filler and deu at 7-2. Took 22 hours to grind the last 2m
coral wren
i put wales for 11-4 and my god she blows 😄 who even thought her skill would be a great idea
ssr ship my ass
eternal darkness procs?
grave gale
Can't have infinite leveled
modern tree
I tried Rodney and she blows compared to this
grave gale
Kimocheese on youtube grinded monarch using lb0 rodney, nelson, repulse and cassin and downes.
vagrant veldt
120 Erebus is very useful
grave gale
At 7-2. He used 381s
modern tree
I am getting Columbia because might as well.
shy hazel
im also grinding levels so well
modern tree
shame monitors dont give exp for Monarch, but I cant fucking do it with Rodney
shy hazel
wont do lb0 stuff
modern tree
why does Erebus work lmao
blazing scroll
What about Renown?
vagrant veldt
that 109 Erebus probably outdamges the queen even if used separately
modern tree
I wish I had Renown leveled tbh
coral wren
isn't renown gigashit?
modern tree
nah, Renown is honestly a fine ship if ran with QE
blazing scroll
She's good enough for farming Monarch
modern tree
her only problem is that she will eat all of your books for like 5% damage
blazing scroll
shy hazel
repulse like dies fast 1~1
modern tree
Can you imagine having a skill that gives you barely more reload when hit, than Hood gives when she FUCKING BLOWS UP THE SCREEN
on top of garbage stats
good job Repulse
you tried
vagrant veldt
every reload skill in the game is awful
shy hazel
i honestly dont even know
why my repulse is lvl 97
i must have been crazy back then
modern tree
I know why mine is high level, PoW event required a BC and I was farming Vampire
vagrant veldt
repulse is pretty easy to get early on. might have been your only BB when you started
shy hazel
i started this game with shit bb bcs i think
she needs a refit
shes basically your very first drop ship
charred sable
Doesn't look like I'm getting Saint Louis this week 
blazing scroll
No worries, we still lack bps anyway
hot creek
https://puu.sh/DqOEA/fe469f6205.png first? lul
blazing scroll
Nice 
charred sable
I'm disappointed your comment wasn't "f1rst!!!111"
blazing scroll
I am still at 80% of combat data 2
real notch
@ionic magnet yea basically
sorry for late reply
i've been busy lately flying around
ionic magnet
oh lets pin it already xD
real notch
i agree, let's pin it
ionic magnet
wheres the link again
real notch
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing
AZURLANE PvP (EN SERVER) Tierlist
ionic magnet
there
real notch
i think our tierlist is completd now
lime rivet
ionic magnet
modern tree
I am uspet that Inazuma's chibi is not a hyperlink to the tier list
empty sinew
now to pray for sanrui bps
hot creek
you jinxed it, now all you'll get is izumo prints
shy hazel
zulul i cant even do 7~2
i shouldve opted for loius or nep
while grindng kms levels and skills up
vagrant veldt
map & teammates?
vagrant veldt
tbtskc
vagrant veldt
probably wouldn't affect clear time which you use but 8-4 enemies are really stacked and elites are inside productions
charred sable
@real notch might also want to separate things into more tabs to be mobile browsing friendly. So separate ship analysis into main fleet analysis and vanguard analysis
Same with the equipment recommendations tab, which on mobile I didn't even realize had columns to the right until I accidentally scrolled sideways (not something you usually do on phone)
In either case, good start
charred sable
For equipment, probably 2 tabs, one column
charred sable
Aripanda's spreadsheet layout is very not mobile friendly at all lol
But it's organized
zenith tundra
u should run imo unless u want to level up ironblood ships
zenith tundra
use more then
like lb0 k ships till lvl 70
then just lb them till they are leveled enough to 1:1
zenith tundra
if u can't 1:1 use 1:2 till u can 1:1
shy hazel
prinz can surprisingly mvp
zenith tundra
i still don't have her for obvious reasons
zenith tundra
belgun vs proto 152mm? for aux on bb
the proto should be better right?
tbh i'm more waiting for my karl to level up enough for her to mvp automatically
zenith tundra
... research?
vagrant veldt
152 best gun against bomb boats. scary strong against vanguard
zenith tundra
so it should be better for pvp right?
should be better overall. better said
idc about that but we need to start putting pr equip in the tier list
zenith tundra
it's the cl gun
triple 152mm prototype
is that bun bis for vg too?
i mean pvp
for pve it should be an upgrade for the tbtsk but what about pvp
10 lvl difference. it's huge
modern tree
you could just use less CAs and more CLs since I am pretty sure either works
real notch
yea the triple 152mm HE should be BIS in pvp
coral wren
do we know when cent arrives?
coral wren
Ty..Damn, now i wonder if hms will need her at all
modern tree
Need her? Nah, HMS has Hood and Monarch which should work just fine for the time being
coral wren
I know she works as qe buff amplifier, but rn we can have monarch with hood to break through ijn stall..
Yeah, my thoughts
modern tree
the only way HMS is missing atm when facing namagi is a way to pressure Hiryuu without letting Amagi just do what she wants. Putting Monarch and Hood together is probably more than enough to swing the matchup into positive win ratio
especially because Monarch has a huge advantage over Amagi with her heavy armour, AP barrage, reload when damaged and self heal
Hood is there to just proc Hiryuu and clap
vagrant veldt
amagi completely shutdown HMS when she was released
modern tree
she didnt : )
hot creek
wasdA did
vagrant veldt
just the level 1 evasion skill provided overwhelming advantage
one of the first version was with Kaga bb
modern tree
both Amakaga and wasd Amagi are beatable by HMS with over 80% win ratio
modern tree
Another controversial "opinion", Doy is worse than Warspite in Amagi meta because consistency issues. Warspite not only has a better modifier on her barrage, she also doesnt get fucked nearly as hard as doy by just missing her opening shot
vagrant veldt
ws kai?
real notch
she's a solo juggernaut that has like 8 buffs lol
modern tree
I'd still be playing HMS now but like I said, I can't pressure Hiryuu without dumping my barrage damage ito her and it turns the games into super gambling
vagrant veldt
every so often she can miss her snipe against amagi and usually have to reset
modern tree
no, regular ass Warspite, my brother
y'all can continue listing your experiences from the 3 HMS games you played in the past 4 months, but trust me, HMS was capable of really high winrates and their only problem right now is Hiryuu making them dump a lot of damage into nothing. It's about to change
true trellis
I mean, i can justify that.
hot creek
well, it was my testing against your wasdA fleet that made me stop playing HMS. and I was all HMS back then
true trellis
People shit on HMS all the time yet it's fully capable of winning any fight
hot creek
50% win rate
real notch
it's not about winning, it's about probability of winning
true trellis
What do you mean by that.
How often you need to reset?
real notch
yeah, given a statistical sample, the probability of winrate
modern tree
I am fully aware that just scrapping a win is not enough, because it's not like Namagi Hiryuu walls you off completely, its just unfun gambling in which you lose a lot because BB shots landed wrong. It's gonna be a lot more consistent with 2 barrage flanks.
true trellis
My own experience, 1/20 times were a fail for me
I know it wasn't every day for me
real notch
qualitatively, if:
- your/enemy torps miss
- your/enemy barrages don't proc
- your/enemy ship skills don't proc
there are a lot of scenarios to take into account
true trellis
But HMS doesn't really rely on their own % stuff, so you can half them probabilities can't you
real notch
when you're in the positive, but enemy is negative, when both are in negative, etc.
HMS has RNG elements
true trellis
Hood missed her barrage most times anywa, Warspite always shoots, and the frontline are just gun-based tanks.
real notch
hood has 70% proc, sheffield has dmg % proc, belfast has 20 sec proc, dork has barrage spread range proc
HMS VG are torp oriented
true trellis
Stat wise tho their torps are meh
real notch
if we are talking consistency
foxes are consistent
i'd be ok with 10 tests for foxes
any comp that involves BB and their completely 100% RNG targetting
i'd do 20+
true trellis
Yeah that's fair
I just never really had issues with RNG for my fights in HMS.
Always felt like they were just naturally strong and didn't need their % stuff to live
real notch
yeah, given the big list of PVP offense-oriented modifiers, pvp is naturally non competiive
so really being able to win or not against a random fleet is not very important
modern tree
since I couldnt find this in your doc and I went through the trouble of doing it
real notch
but we focus on tiering ships based on their relative success
true trellis
Plus Belfast is a direct counter to foxes so that helps
modern tree
Daxam (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood | Juneau, Belfast, Sheffield) 13696/13175
Toolbox on June, Oxy on Belfast
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - win
game 11 - win
game 12 - win
game 13 - win
game 14 - lose
game 15 - lose
game 16 - win
game 17 - win
game 18 - win
game 19 - win
game 20 - lose
game 21 - lose
game 22 - win
game 23 - win
game 24 - win
game 25 - lose```
```LagFruit (Nagato, Akagi, Kaga | Sendai, Aurora, Yukikaze) 13543/13405
Daxam (Queen Elizabeth, Duke of York, Hood | Juneau, Belfast, Sheffield) 13725/12811
Boilers
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - lose
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - lose
game 11 - win
game 12 - lose
game 13 - lose
game 14 - win
game 15 - win```HMS is fine
split socket
11-4 is safer than 10-4
empty sinew
11-4 easier than 10-4 
real notch
yea i think
odd schooner
Has anyone tried fighting a sheff juneau ykkz with nakaga and compared it with bel
Req
real notch
even in nagamon meta in JP
HMS had a fairly strong presence
but that was without amagi protection
HMS had neptune and monarch too
they were considered either t1 or t0
but nagamon still was t0
yea
any fleet with ws is naturally worse on def
modern tree
Phoenix had to reset his Namagi vs HMS other day
real notch
it's hit or miss but yea
more likely to hit
than on off
yea it's bbbbbasssicalllyy true in a general sense
but some ships sway the WR
IOW most ships are relatively identically useful in O/D
like YKKZ is just as T0 in offense as she is in defense
yea like
i am just of the stance that in general, most ships are not affected disproportionately (o/d) by taking less dmg
ofc, some ships are affected a little more disproportionately
like i think juneau is better in defense than in offense
cus of the defense fleet debuffs that PVP have
odd schooner
It's hard to drop ykkz nowadays lmao
real notch
i also rly wanna do sheffield
odd schooner
Zack you have sheff right
real notch
she'll only be useful for another 3 weeks until saint louis gets maxed imo
odd schooner
In comparison to bel, which is tankier when facing.nakaga
zenith tundra
yukikaze pretty meh outside of bb fighting bb comps
real notch
yea 3 weeks is aggressive estimate
zenith tundra
vs cv she has a tendency to die very easily
real notch
i think actual meta will swap in like 1.5 months lol
zenith tundra
i'm going hard for roon and an estimate on my current pace is like 40 more days for 343 bps including the general ones
44 roon bps i have now
44-10=34/6=~6x day
343-37-44=266/6=44 days lol
zenith tundra
not really because they don't give limited equip bps
steep fog
im 3% more to sanrui
after that im gonna take a break
and chill grind mornarch
this shit is soul crushing
zenith tundra
@balmy torrent how many saint louis bps u have?
coral wren
Almost lose at pvp and somehow this happen. Weird, but okay
steep fog
what is this meme
coral wren
My yukikaze died in like 30 sec XD
Even with lvl 10 skill
Got hit multiple times againts fully retro laffey
trim horizon
wicked rivet
What is that comp
steep fog
prolly lvling
empty sinew
can we even call it
a comp?
real notch
laffey dd best dd 
wicked rivet
tru
modern tree
Team "Nagato is buffing my Mogami" lost Ykkz early, but managed to scrap a miraculous win thanks to Z23 pulling it together vs fully retrofitted Laffey
empty sinew
fun times in pvp
modern tree
You made me nostalgic for my Hood Rodney Enterprise, Indie Port non retro Z23 team
coral wren
Laffey barrage is like a ap shower
empty sinew
yes, yes it is
modern tree
been such a long time since this was sufficent to get aotn
empty sinew
modern tree
I have had foxes after I cleared 3-4 860 times
real notch
860 
modern tree
I stared the moment Sandy was created and it took me like 4-5 months to get Kaga
hot creek
how many foxes of one did you get before you got the other
midnight heron
4
modern tree
I got first Akagi at roughly 563th clear, I did not start counting as soon as I started farming btw so there is a chance this number is higher. After that I got Akagi in 17, 174, 88, then I got Kaga
coral wren
How about eldrige?
modern tree
Eldridge has a potential to be good at stalling out the top teams that arent Fox duo, but you'd need a backline that does a really good amount of work for this to be useful
safe meteor
isnt that too late?
coral wren
Well my backline is sara, nagato and warspite
safe meteor
oh, you mean, washington, dont have
modern tree
Sodak without Washington is just a vanilla BB with incidental damage spike, might as well run Prince of Wales
safe meteor
so, what are good Pvp ships right now?
modern tree
there is a stickied resource which we have all collectively worked on
safe meteor
i think my main fleet is alright, but i need a better vanguard
modern tree
CHECK IT OUT
safe meteor
ah yea, a large list
modern tree
@real notch mind editing the sticky so it actually says what is the link?
trim horizon
leaden sequoia
oh I have a comment about the tierlist
under Nakaga it says
Previously Tier 0 IJN fleet before the addition of Amagi.
should this clarify that it's before for CN/JP?
EN got Amagi first
modern tree
I played wasd with Saratoga and it was decent so I imagine any boat that is better than her will push them to fairly respectable winrate
I can run a real test I guess
but I am behind on Monarch atm so I have to catch up first
coral wren
Guide says use yukikaze cuz of durable, got killed in 30 sec
safe meteor
so has there been a bit of info with PR ships in pvp?
modern tree
PR ships are not gonna be pvp ready for next month
safe meteor
yea, but is there planning which ships for pvp?
modern tree
possibly longer than that
you can use every single one
including Izumo
or at least I'd use Izumo with Nagato and Amagi because fuck the rules
safe meteor
so which ship would you work on for pvp ?
trim horizon
Sanrui/Monarch
safe meteor
Neptune eh, i guess gonna work on her next, need a vanguard
hot creek
Roon because the KMS nation will attack soon™
blazing scroll
Nep has too much HP, how will sheff work?
hot creek
Saint Louis is great all around and works on any team.
zenith tundra
i'm pretty sure ibuki works in nagato teams
modern tree
rise Juneau
leaden sequoia
Nep with 2 EVA equips and Sheff with 2 toolboxes?
modern tree
provided you dont have Juneau yet, why the fuck would you even gun for PR, go rise Juneau
safe meteor
sheff is?
hot creek
oh yeah if you don't have Juneau go do that lol
safe meteor
isnt Juneau a ship everyone should be able to get?
modern tree
in case I didnt make this clear enough, go get the god damned Juneau
blazing scroll
lament lichen
She’s litetally a free drop
safe meteor
thats what i thought
lament lichen
From some maps
steep fog
im done with sanrui finally
800 oil left
and so drained
gonna take a chill pill with monarch
blazing scroll
blazing scroll
Do you still got oil in mail?
blazing scroll
Then you're reserves are still fine right 
trim horizon
Im at 68 sanrui's BPs (counting the generals) 
blazing scroll
Do you also have the oil from port retro?
safe meteor
i got the feeling all the vanguard ships are copy pasted in that list?
blazing scroll
Your reserves are fine
trim horizon
prob the tier list
safe meteor
i mean, every vanguard looks the same in that azure lane pvp team
yea
Jintsuu, Juneau, Belfast, Yukikaze everywhere
blazing scroll
Because those are the obvious vgs
safe meteor
guess i work on what i have
already got her, and lvling her skill,
lvl 8 or something
split socket
most vg comps work unless u make really shit choices
safe meteor
i should really get her working then
split socket
I still think juneau is overrated, I'm not going to ever run her
safe meteor
in what way?
split socket
like, some ppl think ur comp is literal shit for missing juneau
steep fog
25% heal in pvp is never overrated
ofc u can still win without her
but she just makes it easier
split socket
I've been playing with different vg comps and still have 95% winrate without her
safe meteor
so what team you using?
split socket
currently bel ykkz jin
modern tree
hes using Namagi Hiryuu with Jintsuu instead
split socket
I just hate crybaby ships
hot creek
you can get away without junuea if your opponent doesn't have one. but if they have one and you don't, good luck.
split socket
pls
I have yet to reset against any namagi comps
funnily, I had to reset against two nakaga 😐
modern tree
he lied
leaden sequoia
Jintsuu torp opening nukes Jun, I guess?
safe meteor
Hiryuu that good ?
leaden sequoia
I mean
is it even possible to nuke entire vg
without something like Jintsuu/Ayaya/Sendai
split socket
@hot creek also I know u got the ships, try play without her for a while. She makes no difference
blazing scroll
Juneau is always in the second spot for me
trim horizon
Hiryuu is the reliable Enty
blazing scroll
The timing of her heal is way better that way
hot creek
she makes a huge fuckin difference m8. you know how many times my Hiryuu would early proc if junuea wasn't there
split socket
stop running unoathed stuff m8
leaden sequoia
oh shit here we go
coral wren
Is hiryuu good to use without souryu
modern tree
I do not know how a comp that tries to stall out until their barrages clean the house benefits from Jintsuu over 25% more HP for their backline
lament lichen
Honestly does sandy even have that many optimized def
leaden sequoia
can both parties clarify what they use so that neither had to make assumptions?
lament lichen
And yeah hiryuu is good without souryuu
safe meteor
brb
split socket
@lament lichen sandy don't. Most ppl run trash defs, there are some more namagi comps lately but still nothing that makes u reset
leaden sequoia
Wash rise up
hot creek
i doubt oath would help much with how fast Hiryuu gets rekt sometimes, at least not enough to stop using juneau.
modern tree
while you could make a case for running full retard torp comp to just try and wipe the VG, since lack of AA from the Namagi comps would just make the backline eat shit vs Hiryuu, the full retard torp comps also tend to just fucking die to aux guns, in which case you acomplish nothing but a dice roll between the Hiryuu procs
hot creek
and there is no way full oath is going to cover the difference in HP the enemy gets from their own junuea
unless you're clapping their junuea fast everytime
split socket
@modern tree notice that I'm running Bel
but ur right, lack of AA is a problem which is why I
I've actually had to reset against nakaga twice
but against namaryuu? Not really
modern tree
while I can believe it works to an extent, claiming 100% winrate in a "mirror" just seems dishonest?
split socket
I haven't done any extensive test, I have to admit, it's probably not 100% but it's pretty darn fcking close
I just don't like how ppl dismiss any vg without juneau so quick without even trying, 25% heal is nothing to scoff at, but ur literally bringing a ship that is utter fucking trash just for the healing instead of bringing something that can actually help u fight
that's the main problem I have with her besides hating her looks and voice too
blazing scroll
Juneau has pretty good AA tho 👀
split socket
in a meta where AA isn't really a problem cause most ppl are running namaryuu now
blazing scroll
But you said you had to reset against foxes
split socket
yup, twice
lament lichen
You just said that most run trash def
split socket
yea, trash def + namaryuu
either ur running meta, or ur running trash
some run meta trash too but thats another story
modern tree
the thing is that a difference between VG capable of fighting and VG incapable of fighting, but tanky is how long one will waste backline damage, which is the thing that actually makes difference. I am sure that running torps is still functional atm, but hey, 120 will change that real quick I'd wager
split socket
I have no idea how it'll play out lvl 120, but so far it's working at least
hot creek
you are definitely underestimating how oppressive junuea's heals are. I simply can't believe you when you say you are having near 100% rates against meta teams while not running juneau yourself.
split socket
trust me, I get easily annoyed by small things such as a fcking UI pop up telling me to sort or expand my dock. Having to reset in pvp is by far more annoying and something I'd like to never have to do again, and if not running a ship I hate can handle it, then it's pretty obvious what choice I would make
this feels almost like deja vu, during the start of amakaga meta I remember ppl complaining about amakaga mirrors. I kept feeling like I was playing a different game cause amakaga on def is literal fcking trash and there is no way u would have to reset unless ur running non bis.
hot creek
lol I don't recall any problems with amakaga mirror whatsover.
split socket
me neither, cause there was none. But there were definitely ppl complaining in this chat specifically about amakaga mirrors
real notch
@modern tree done
midnight heron
inb4 those complaints were caused by bad rng
lament lichen
But even with bad rng it shouldnt be that bad
empty sinew
inb4 it was just against a torp front and they had lil patience
midnight heron
i was complaining cuz my ships were underlvled at da time lul
modern tree
HMS has always been sort of "Works only for Daxam" deal tbh. Which is why I am not discounting your strategy. Besides, I can see merit to using Jintsuu with Ykkz that has like 500 torp and Belfast that has like 400, it probably works. Still sceptical about omega high winrates of it, but you probably never rest more than incidentally, when you get completely screwed.
It's still Namagi lul
split socket
pretty much
modern tree
She's good and she will only going to get better once we get to 120, which will mean another significant eHP boost
safe meteor
would that shift the meta a bit more towards heavy cruisers btw?
trim horizon
she's not overrated if she does what you expect
split socket
I've never denied she is not a good pvp ship, I have even recommended this trash to ppl sometime. All I'm saying is, shes not actual Jesus and is the "be all, end all" like some ppl think
safe meteor
i get it
modern tree
pvp modifiers will always sort of keep the game on CLs, but ships like Louis are outstanding
I never felt particularly disadvantaged when running CAs
split socket
I tried mogami once when she hit 110
safe meteor
are people biased on both sides with Juneau?
split socket
no longer remember tbh, it was either mid or back
split socket
and it was literally one try. She might very well work, I just stopped using her cause that was a really bad first impression lmao
modern tree
People aren't "biased on both sides", there's just an unhealthy obsession with raw stats over purpose. Juneau is mathematically insane, which does not mean you can't actually make a strategy that works without her, because other boats have better tools for the job.
split socket
thats if she dies at the right time
safe meteor
arent you using Juneau with two other good ships that can tank?
in the vanguard
eh i mean, so that Juneau dies first before any other ship
yea
around 35% dmg?
shell heron
Or there are times where she outlived both belfast and yukikaze in tank position
safe meteor
is Sandy highly favoring Juneau?
shell heron
But the only time I find my Juneau going down too early is against Nakaga with a torp VG
safe meteor
equip anti torp?
shell heron
not with bad RNG where she decided to run into every torp
midnight heron
shikikan always bullies me, i shall run into all torps so he loses kek
shell heron
I do use anti-torp with because def VGs are mainly torps
modern tree
Juneau is always gonna be popular regardless because she's extremly easy to just slap on any fleet and call it a day. Why think about what you are putting up front if you can just let your whole backline with 25% more HP do the job
safe meteor
she died too fast against torp VG with anti torp even?
lament lichen
She wont die that fast
split socket
the joy of running torp front is seeing enemy doing a flash run into all ur torps, including the ones that initially would've missed 
shell heron
middle position?
lament lichen
Front
safe meteor
eeh, they dont stack?
lament lichen
I always use her in front for offense
shell heron
Boiler eh. I been seeing that being a good PvP option over toolbox because of speed
lament lichen
And antitorp dont stack
shell heron
on Juneau? I put that on someone else
safe meteor
oh, is that better?
if she dies, thats one less ship that gets healed?
only 4 other ships left to heal for that pearl holder?
shell heron
It's wasted heal of it over heals with both pearl and Juneau skill.
safe meteor
does Juneau die so much faster in comparison to your entire team?
shell heron
My 2nd to go down is almost always Belfast so I toss it on her
Juneau is suppose to go down first imo
just not too early before your fleet takes any damage
safe meteor
well, first while everyone is alive and dmged
how does Juneau dies too early ?
airstrike, torp or BB?
shell heron
usually a combination of torp and airstrikes
Nakaga is super popular and easy to run
safe meteor
hmm, there is that new anti air aux to let her live a bit longer
modern tree
she doesnt need more AA
safe meteor
there should be some way to counter it?
shell heron
I reposition her to the back or middle if she constantly go down too early
but if you mean gear to use, idk
safe meteor
well, i thought put a Pearl tear on her with something else defensive so she holds out until every ship needs healing?
shell heron
I'd rather put a toolbox on her if you want that extra HP. Overheal is a problem if you do that
safe meteor
overheal happening so often?
so that means, she dies too soon?
or too many other ships not dmged enough?
shell heron
or your mainfleet didn't take 45% of dmg before she goes down
trim horizon
or you use pearl on her
safe meteor
45%?
shell heron
mb, I went by the 35% someone mentioned earlier and assumed it was her skill only
safe meteor
eeh
shell heron
35% total. 25% + 10% off pearl
safe meteor
yea
shell heron
25% is enough heal after the first wave of barrage
safe meteor
ah so no situation arise where every other ship took 35%?
so how is Leander in pvp btw?
shell heron
Just use Belfast
safe meteor
cant use both?
shell heron
why? smoke don't stack
safe meteor
the first smoke of both dont overlap
Leander activate smoke immediately and activate for 5 sec,
so should have no overlap at first
modern tree
Running them both is neat if you happen to see a lot of torp focused frontlines, since Leander smoke covers you for that and then Belfasts handles the rest, but her HP is low-ish and her yellow skill barely does anything
she niche yo
split socket
didn't arseid run something like that?
modern tree
I think that with what's popular right now Cygnet would probably do better. Same smoke, better secondary skill, DD speed
modern tree
Isn't Arseid still running day1 HMS which is Juneau Belfast Fortune?
safe meteor
Leander was a nice pve ship, so i already have one at lvl 109, although no real idea if she has endgame value in pvp
who?
so i really dont get Fortune
she was good in the early days i heard?
modern tree
Again, Leander is NICHE, you generally wont be running teams that benefit from her yellow skill because Juneau and Ykkz exist
unless you actually go all in on HMS cruisers, which might work but also sounds like asking for trouble
safe meteor
yea i get it
thats what i wanted to use Leander for, niche as anti torp
anything that helps increasing winrates
modern tree
Again, if you are justy looking for smoke, Leander will work, Cygnet is probably better, and all-in torp teams seem increasingly rare
charred sable
RIP, missing those 3 attacks last night was fatal
vague token
just gonna sneak up to top 10 for my merits