pvp

[zenith tundra]

the problem is ca don't get extra damage in pvp

[elder crane]

Huh, Ajax with 2 oxytorp against CAs outdamages Aya with no oxytorp with skill up

oh wait nvm

looking at wrong numbers, nope

not much closer than Jint

[zenith tundra]

the whole point was pairing high eff with extra damage and it does pretty good tbh considering only 30 torp stat behind one of the best torp dd in the game

[elder crane]

And aya skill is unreliable at best

Which means most of the time 2 oxy jint will outdamage 2 oxy Aya per torp hit

[zenith tundra]

i put jintsuu as needed for torp which is why i calculate for sendai instead

without jintsuu i wouldn't even bother

[elder crane]

Should be no real diff for Sendai, her base stats are just a bit lower than jint

same eff

[zenith tundra]

actually i forgot sendai buff rip me

[shy hazel]

zack how much event points u have rn

[elder crane]

Yeah
Jint/Sendai is defs more reliable than Jint/Aya on damage per hit
Still, Aya with skill up will outdamage
And ofc Aya also has higher Hit

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

thought u meant pvp

lol

[shy hazel]

kizuna pls

im thinking how much points needed to swipe the shop

[zenith tundra]

16780+120 since i'm on boss

[shy hazel]

did u ppl alrdy calculate

[zenith tundra]

49k it's in the wiki page

[shy hazel]

49 huh

still far

[elder crane]

Those PR bps take a huge chunk

[shy hazel]

daily black and build is like what

16k

[elder crane]

<40k is possible if you skip the low-value stuff

[zenith tundra]

26k if all dailies done

for all 20 days

20k without build

[shy hazel]

ill get all as usual

i still dont have kizuna cv anyways

gon do 3 limited daily

have all else

[zenith tundra]

with sendai torp buff she does more damage then aya without buff

[elder crane]

Skip, say, gold, the bad purple parts, oxycola, and a few more and presto, <40k pts needed

[zenith tundra]

2k vs 1.4k on light with rainbow
1.8k vs 1.3k on light with gold quint

and literally 150 dmg behind with aya skill

no extra torp stat

forgot about that buff

i should try calculating with jintsuu buff too

[elder crane]

Aya still has higher hit stat for better vanguard killing, even considering torp fleet buff across all ships
And has chance for self-buff ofc
Is more squishy though (probably?), no flare, no AA, no vanguard rld buff

Jint buff favours Aya ever so slightly

%Torp buffs are slightly more impactful for higher Torp-stat
Also higher Aya Hit stat means slightly more base crit % as well

Hmm wait, that interaction is a bit off from what I expected

[zenith tundra]

i think in pvp it still advantages sendai more tbh
2326 vs 1669
2059 vs 1478 without aya skill
2326 vs 2409
2059 vs 2131 with aya skill

[elder crane]

The flare, survivability (probably?) and AA make it for me
Actually, let's check my assumption on survivability

On second thought, maybe not, that's kinda annoying to calculate out since it's many cases

[zenith tundra]

with oxy is
2650 vs 1898 (2754)
2356 vs 1688 (2447)

[vague token]

ok, i was just spitballing and didnt expect people to do the math for cl torps vs aya

but good job team

we need an azur lane math emote or something

didTheMath

[elder crane]

Ehh, whatever, I'll do some estimates
Take a 100 Hit enemy, ignore luck, ignore buffs/debuffs
Sendai ends up with ~40% evarate, Aya at ~60%, for Aya having about 1.5X more eHP per HP then relative to sendai
Which is even for no aux, Aya favoured for +HP aux
But Sendai can mount torpbulge, and has higher AA for that dred
But CVs have lower hit so Aya's relative eHP per HP is higher vs aviation anyways

Torps though would be a pretty big weakness for Aya, also, considering torpships have higher hit than 100

and ofc -eva rate% hits Aya much harder; conversely she gets more benefit out of smokes

[zenith tundra]

if u really want u can consider flare a buff to nagato barrage lol

but it's rng over rng

[elder crane]

Overall, validates my intuitive assumption that Aya is squishier than Jint Sendai in most cases

[vague token]

TheyDidTheMath

oh god there's a guy with akashi 110 in his namagi team

[zenith tundra]

don't be wis... it's not like akashi is unusable just wastes too much oil

about her being in a pvp comp is a meme just like lusty and the other countless comps around

[quaint gorge]

Lucky E didn't activate on my screen but still it was triggered and i lost because of that. Done with tryharding in pvp. Enterprise is so stupid.

[zenith tundra]

what are u using?

[grave gale]

There was talk of Akashi being a Hiryuu counter

[zenith tundra]

under what kind of circumstances a ship with 0 dmg is a counter?

[ionic magnet]

i know we're all bored but pls

[modest elbow]

can't proc final counter if you don't deal damage

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

so hiryuu without final counter is useless?

and u still need to kill her

[leaden jay]

3:53 time left before the match ended

[vague token]

owo, 34 points 2 hours in lol

[odd schooner]

What numbers you guys at rn

[shell heron]

262. My first 5 matches was not amazing

[lime rivet]

Wondering if i should sandbag more this season

...nah fuck it, too much effort, gonna keep rushing

[coral wren]

[cerulean estuary]

5 minutes before pvp refresh

[true trellis]

This is my first time going for PvP properly and it still seems like I don't understand it xD

[zenith tundra]

pvp properly as in waiting for opponents to use their attempts then attack?

[lime rivet]

0/10, 440.

[true trellis]

429 here

The bit i didn't get was:

does the opponent need to be 35ish rank above me for me to not be deducted on points?

[modern tree]

Rank don matter, just their points

[zenith tundra]

it's not based on rank but score difference

[true trellis]

Oh just their points

there was my mistake

Thanks

[modern tree]

If they have more points than you, you are in the money

[lime rivet]

Sirius' barrage is growing on me tbh

[zenith tundra]

u use rank to tell the score difference till u can check it when they are top 100

[cerulean estuary]

does just3c sandbags? hes on my list

[zenith tundra]

it's a very strong barrage but it can easily miss on auto

[lime rivet]

Yeah, the funniest thing is that if enemy vg is directly in front of sirius, she'll miss

[modern tree]

The strongest

[true trellis]

Didn't need to reset this season cus Hiryuu is funny

[ionic magnet]

@cerulean estuary i saw him last season on top 100 so yea p sure he sandbags

[modern tree]

Just a thought, but every time I face Eldridge with Namagi, she ends up stalling front for a significant amount of time, even when underleveled. Considering offense takes less damage, it might be something to explore.

[ionic magnet]

whos your VG?

[zenith tundra]

she seems usable against slower comps or bb comps the problem lies with which u would swap for her. since yukikaze and juneau should be default i don't feel like using 2 dd vg

[lime rivet]

I'm assuming belfast/juneau

[ionic magnet]

well if you're not using aurora/sendai then DDs can really get annoying

[lime rivet]

Yeah, if eldridge doesn't gets blasted before rainbow is available, then she becomes a pain, especially paired with another bulky frontline

But akaga, amagi, or torpedo frontline tends to just shit on her before she hits that point

[zenith tundra]

if i have to swap belfast i'd pick jintsuu for torp pressure tbh. juneau is too much heal lost and yukikaze is still more consistent then her imo

[modern tree]

Honestly, it's just something to test against Namagi, other comps arent really any issue for anyone

[zenith tundra]

i noticed it too that eldridge is annoying a bit. the problem is i think u lose a bit too much for some extra vg survivability since u win with backlines

maybe instead of belfast for namaryuu only

[true trellis]

I never have issues with DD's really, don't have Sendai or Aurora trained

Just Yuki, but her backline dies before her lol

[lament lichen]

just3c goes 10/10 to 0/10 alot

actually he is pretty random

[ionic magnet]

lets just call him a casual sandbagger

[shy hazel]

im the only casual sandbagger hey

[coral wren]

[lime rivet]

I am proudly not a sandbagger, but someone for sandbaggers to beat on

[ionic magnet]

casual eh proceeds to get top 5 end season

[shy hazel]

im top 9 last season

[hybrid tendon]

i'm top 8 last season

[shy hazel]

[rare crater]

in pvp for torpedoes if i dont have gold quad or quint magnetic torpedo then what is an alternative. i got purple quint magnetic torpedo

[hot creek]

so we might be getting pr2 and 120 soon™

which pr2 is gonna be op

[shy hazel]

pr2 i dont really think so

120 i think soon

[zenith tundra]

i'm not yet ready for 120.
belfast 1m
yukikaze 760k
juneau 1.2m
hiryuu 1.5m
amagi nagato 2.3m

[coral wren]

[zenith tundra]

i don't have pve ships lol

farming xp for ships i won't have chips for doesn't motivate me

sure if my pvp team wouldn't cost 8k chips and i have 6k

[odd schooner]

Ah

No time to store exp

Too many backlogged ships to 200 affection

[dense lynx]

[elder crane]

I'm trying out sheff over Belfast in Namayuu, on paper it seems she's better vs non-Akaga teams which are the only ones I've ever had trouble with on offense

Still a few more levels though, and nowhere near 200 aff

[odd schooner]

The annoying matches are mirrors

[coral wren]

whats a recommended frontline for akaga/nagato comp?

[hybrid tendon]

ykkz + juneau + 1

last slot could be sirius or aurora or sendai

well you can just not use juneau

and use aurora sirius

akaga airstrikes dealing a billion damage

[zenith tundra]

on nakaga u want an evasion debuffer. aurora should be must and pair her with yukikaze that helps keeping ur backlines alive. 3rd slot depends on matchup imo

[hybrid tendon]

or just slot in the jintsuu

the quintessential IJN frontliner

jintsuu is a go-to for me whenever i dunno what to field

in both pve and pvp

shes 200 affection now tho

[ionic magnet]

just link him the tierlist

[zenith tundra]

why isn't pinned yet?

[ionic magnet]

idk lol

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=191479993

@coral wren

[coral wren]

StellaP

lul

sounds like a rapper

[shy hazel]

hey

moi is not rapper

[coral wren]

@ionic magnet ty

[zenith tundra]

the intelligence chip is a poor excuse for a fleet power meme, only +93 over boilers (with same stats)

[random vault]

mfw they make the items as good as our current good items but still not good enough

because of gold rarity making it expensive to upgrade

[zenith tundra]

the other 2 were only 96 t3 to max for some reason

[random vault]

[coral wren]

I +10ed INt chip

😄

big mistake

😄

[elder crane]

More bugs to quickly take advantage of?

[coral wren]

[random vault]

even if theyre bugged not like theyre worth upgrading anyway lmao

[zenith tundra]

[random vault]

💦

[coral wren]

hows the random word generator

waw I got 5 more +10 toolboxes

U dont like to use DDs?

[zenith tundra]

no if i only use 2-3 dd

[coral wren]

I see

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze aya and rarely kawakaze

[hybrid tendon]

the words generator give a lot of HIT

so probably good on a BB

is it better than SG

[random vault]

ye not like a gold sg radar already existed

[zenith tundra]

still not as good as a sg radar

[random vault]

[hybrid tendon]

really

🤔

It gives more HIT tho

[elder crane]

It gives less than SG

[coral wren]

what a

trash

[blazing scroll]

[elder crane]

Only advantage is that it can be mounted on CVs

[coral wren]

no wonder it looks like a 🚮

[elder crane]

Also:
My petitions for the tierlist:

1. lower Belfast to 0.5 (0 vs foxes)
2. raise Sheffield to 1 (0.5 in drawn-out fights)
   What do you guys think?

[random vault]

anyone got bb ai to sl10 yet?

[modest elbow]

not there yet, sl8

[random vault]

i guess need 3-4 more days

[modest elbow]

She just sprays a lot more bullets and torps

[zenith tundra]

my kizunas are still lvl 1. never bothered with them

[ionic magnet]

sheff is already t1 iirc

belfast is arguable but tbh most peeps still use foxes so shes still really good

[zenith tundra]

if i have to give my opinion i think belfast dmg is still pretty good. as long as she lives as much as yukikaze her dmg is higher then yukikaze most of the time

[random vault]

as much as we appreciate her smoke, we often forgot she has burn order lol

[hybrid tendon]

ykkz has shit for damage

[elder crane]

Well, to be more clear,

1. lower Belfast from "0" to "0.5 (0 vs foxes)"
2. raise Sheffield from "1" to "1 (0.5 in drawn-out fights)"

[zenith tundra]

i think yukikaze dmg is consistent not broken. considering what she offers u can say she deals more then she has to

[ionic magnet]

im fine with putting her as tier 0.5 since we're transitioning to namaryuu meta anyways

[elder crane]

Ykkz also has the advantage of being near-unkillable
More time alive = more damage dealt

Hmm, maybe to avoid 0.5s,
just lower Bel to 1 (0 vs foxes)
would be more in line with other entries

[zenith tundra]

i'm starting to think that bismark needs to be broken so namaryuu doesn't spread too much

[random vault]

but how would a bismarck destabilize namaryuu

[elder crane]

WSKai-style

[zenith tundra]

ppl using her instead on hiryuu

[random vault]

another wskai would be so boring lol

[elder crane]

As in, almost too good to not run

No other way really imo, no clear synergies for Bismark

Maaaybe if she herself gives IB buff

[zenith tundra]

starting to wonder if best pair for bismark is amagi hiryuu

[elder crane]

idk on hiryuu, even kai, really with all the good options that would be there by that time, at least for defense

[zenith tundra]

bismark aa won't be any good (considering tirp) and even if she buffs some ships most likely will end up with amagi

[coral wren]

bismarck had better AA than Tirpitz tho

inb4 she is another prince of wales.

[random vault]

nah zeppy is our pow

lol

[coral wren]

no someone that only gets buff from other factions

[elder crane]

Doesn't really make sense though, given KMS didn't work with anyone closely

[random vault]

buff from ijn?

thatll be so silly lmfao

[elder crane]

PoW is cause RN and USN worked very closely

Honestly I'm surprised we don't have a USN PoW

Maybe Texas, once she comes?

[zenith tundra]

do we need more pow ships tho?

[random vault]

no we clearly need more meme debuffers

ai DD

[zenith tundra]

u mean meme buffers?

[random vault]

debuff = lower enemy stats?

[zenith tundra]

but she buffs to

[random vault]

oh right

did no one actually datamine the chances of her doing that

lol

[elder crane]

iirc Just3c vid gave the %

no idea where he got it from though

[coral wren]

I got all 3 set of airplanes skins

which one is the best, need ur guys opinion

[shy hazel]

use the ones that rains down fuccs

[coral wren]

mini ais then

yeah. got same answers from washy xD

[elder crane]

Yep
Still need 1 more fakkyu shell for max fakkyu

Though if I ran Foxes I could already do that

[coral wren]

I got 2 fakkyus on nagato and amagi

my life is complete

just need 3 more glow sticks

for vanguards

[halcyon hill]

I need 2 more fakkyus

A shell one and a bomber one

[coral wren]

ARE U GUYS HYPED FOR SHELLS TOMRROW

[zenith tundra]

?

[coral wren]

JUST TROLLING YAALLL WE AINT GETTING SHELLS

[random vault]

[zenith tundra]

ofc we aren't. en core data shop will be trash for 1 more month

[coral wren]

I saved 2k chips

bought 300 chips worth of core data

yikes got it backward

[random vault]

i bought 1k chips

[coral wren]

I saved 2k Core data.
bought 300 core data worth of chips

there we go

[zenith tundra]

they give us 3x core data to buy 2 equips over and over again

[random vault]

dont see the point of saving cores

when they dont give any new shit

[coral wren]

u never know if they make a bug and give us shells

next rotation

trust in their ability

to

[random vault]

i mean

[coral wren]

[random vault]

whens the last time we had a bug that benefited us

[grave gale]

saving won't give you more shells.

[coral wren]

shop rotation

for free

at DST

[zenith tundra]

it does give u options to buy more of better stuff when it comes out

[coral wren]

its not like I need to buy anything now. maybe a oxy torp? but for what reason :l

[grave gale]

I don't think the core shop will change this reset. They haven't said anything about it changing and it's before may 5th

maybe the next reset

[coral wren]

they keep cujcking us with the bad release dates

[elder crane]

Eventually shop has a ton of must-haves, for a short moment, I think
With the most recent shop update of CN/JP

[zenith tundra]

https://trello.com/c/XWOMb6dh/562-option-to-turn-off-equipment-skins

Trello

Option to turn off equipment skins

Have an option in the settings or somewhere where players are able to disable equipment skins (mainly for PVP)

Labels

OBT, Medium Priority

[coral wren]

big no

aww cant vote no

[random vault]

how dare u try blocking my fakkyus

[zenith tundra]

well i want to fukkyu the fukkyu

no boilers?

did u even fight bb without boilers and ur vg isn't deleted

[buoyant parrot]

you can use one its on the equip tab as an option anyway

In my case I don't use one

I do

when I was doing the testing on Offense I was in that exact gears

[zenith tundra]

guess namagi shells sucks so badly not even worth dodging

need wasd back into meta for 410 shoots

[elder crane]

Also for 1st set of BB shots if you run belfast, less boilers=stays in smoke=soft dodge BB shells instead anyways

[zenith tundra]

he is using jintsuu tho

[buoyant parrot]

I'm using Jintsuu, But I did use Belfast at some point however with the same equipment as what Jintsuu is using

I just like Jintsuu better

[zenith tundra]

i would like jintsuu too if she wouldn't explode against all foxes comps

[elder crane]

Belfast in the mirror imo isn't that useful
And for offense you stomp foxes already anyways

[random vault]

do burn damage factors as damage output from your bb? assuming the burn came from her shelling

[elder crane]

I would think so

No reason it wouldn't that I can think of

We can check with damage numbers
Burns do like 1/3-1/4 of all damage on main on average in the mirror

So if there's a huge discrepancy between total dealt damage and estimated enemy HP then it means burns aren't counted

Or more specifically, you can check

[zenith tundra]

at least done wit pr bps

barely halfway for whole shop

[buoyant parrot]

I'm working on Belchan first

almost done

[wicked rivet]

FAKKYU on nagato, FAKKYU on amagi, GUILTY on DoY

I need one more FAKKYU skin

[zenith tundra]

no one need fakkyu

[elder crane]

Everyone needs a healthy rain of fakkyu

[vague token]

hmm, maybe i should try the word generator on sara for the hit so she can deal with evasion better with her dives/skill

HMM

[elder crane]

It doesn't actually offer more damage vs vanguard

It just keeps about the same

[vague token]

yeah but witch's prank proc

being more reliable

is 100% more damage

[elder crane]

well, maybe with the DoT actually

[vague token]

yeah

not on hiryuu or any other cuda torp user

they have no problems with damage

sara has no cudas and focuses on her skill

if the skill gets evaded, her damage is ehhh

[elder crane]

It's about a 14% higher relative hit% to not running it

on vanguard only ofc

[vague token]

it would also let me move beaver to like

nagato

since it's ok evade

xD

ill think about it some more

[elder crane]

If you're running the speed setup on Sara, might be worth dropping tank
I think that setup doesn't do all that much suicide damage

Hmm, cata over tank on Sara with speed launch setup
Could be worth looking at

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Speed launch Sara iirc is 2 Comet, with normal fighters or something else?

[vague token]

im using pirate and 2 comet yeah

so the difference in aviation between tank and cata is fine

since it's a triple gold plane

xD

[wicked rivet]

@ my pvp opponents
can you USE YOU HECKING EXERCISES so I can get more points pls and thanks
Sincerely,
literally everyone

[vague token]

xD

[grave gale]

fakkyu

[wicked rivet]

me @ my opponents
FAKKYU
my opponents @ me
FAKKYU

[oblique thistle]

Petition to ban Eldridge's Operation Rainbow from pvp?

[split socket]

why? it's pretty much useless

[zenith tundra]

i want one to ban all UR ships from pvp

[oblique thistle]

Because I keep having it proc against me just before my airstrikes launch

And there's a slight chance I'm a bit salty about it

I guess moreso fix the AI so the vanguard fleet stops trying to be friends with every torpedo

[modern tree]

I take you arent playing pvp seriously for very long

[zenith tundra]

torp in this game are trash because ai is dumb as fuck

[split socket]

or serious at all

[oblique thistle]

I want to play pvp seriously but don't have the requisite ships for the meta

[modern tree]

I am going to make a list of things that people complain about at different stages

[oblique thistle]

Like you haven't complained about some of them

[modern tree]

you seem to have skipped the "remove resets they are cheating" phase, I am proud of you

[oblique thistle]

By "remove resets" you mean exiting out of battles and retrying?

Not going to be a hypocrite about that, I'm guilty of doing it

[wicked rivet]

that phase is usually the most annoying one when people have it

like yes I too love being screwed by rng

[modern tree]

Eldridge is probably not going away because she seems to be a decent crutch against Namagi and you are are gonna be seeing a lot of that in the future

[oblique thistle]

Maybe I just bite the bullet and level my Eldridge

[modern tree]

So you will have to either get more offensive VG and blow her up, or just play a comp that powers through her

disclaimer

[split socket]

I for one would actually welcome a no reset change and removed bonus pts from ranking so this stupid sandbagging mechanic can stop being a thing

[shell heron]

Eldridge did force me to reset a few times because I wasn't using Amakaga to delete their VG

[modern tree]

I have not played Eldridge yet to actually say how good she is

but I am going to

[shell heron]

But it was also because of bad initial torp placement

[modern tree]

I have a strong suspicion that at least on offense she is gonna do well against Namagi if the VG has sufficent speed because Hiryuu will just proc her for free

[livid fractal]

Interesting season

Where's everyone?

[trim horizon]

for Sandy's player I just become a rusher

[shell heron]

Against slower def fleets. Eld might work

[modern tree]

I will be honest, I am grinding AL events and Deep Dive, no time to pvp. Imagine losts of casual players are doing the same

[shell heron]

Especially with VGs movin away from full torp memes that she won't be blown up on the spot

[modern tree]

Honestly, the fact that Namagi has no AA and Eldridge existing severly gimps Hiryuu, at least in a mirror she might be a really fucking good wildcard

gotta level her to 110 first tho, good thing I have some fucking events to grind

[zenith tundra]

i got some bonuses today tbh

[split socket]

if she starts becoming a thing, u'll just see ppl running nakaga

[zenith tundra]

but i'm 3 behind already

[lament lichen]

eldridge lul

last time i even used her was for autoing EX in the neputinia event

[modern tree]

Nakaga defense is a joke anyways If comps like Wasd start winning vs Namagi because Eldridge exists, on top of slapping Nakagas ass, It's a good tech

[split socket]

no ones saying anything about nakaga def

if namagi mirror starts becoming a pain in the ass cause eldridge actually works (which I doubt), u could just swap to nakaga offense and still wreck every team out there

[modern tree]

I mean, running Namagi defense and Nakaga offense is probably not that much of a commitment

[split socket]

idk what u mean but it's teams everyone have for sure (if u have namagi then u most likely have nakaga)

especially given how amakaga was so prevalent previous meta

[modern tree]

I mean that you keep Namagi on defense because fuck people, and you can still run foxes on offense

[split socket]

exactly

[oblique thistle]

How the heck do you tie in PvP?

[split socket]

don't think thats possible, afaik time out results in a loss

[modern tree]

you dont tie, you lose

[oblique thistle]

I though time out gave the person with the larger HP pool the win

Or more overall remaining HP or something

[modern tree]

game reads all of your ships sinking as a loss, I have had a situation where everyone exploded at the same time and it counts as a loss. I have never ran the timer tho

[elder crane]

Hmm, I don't have her at 110 sadly
I've seen her here and there, never had any real issue with her

[modern tree]

I want to test her in a mirror really badly but I just started leveling her today and shes at 102

[elder crane]

idk about her low speed though
do you cover 1st volley with Belfast? but then, who do you drop?

[shell heron]

Got an Eldridge at 110, but don't have Hiryuu leveled yet. I can at least test how much longer the VG survives

[modern tree]

Speeed shouldnt be much sower than 3x CL if you run ykkz, and obviously you'd go with ykkz, juneau and eldridge because what choice do we even have anymore

[wicked rivet]

ykkz kwkz ayaya

[split socket]

total waste of good torps without jintsuu

I'd skip kawakaze, some extra dmg on opening torps not worth being useless against backline

[elder crane]

I mean, not like either reliably makes it to 2nd set

or gets anything more than stray hits on main fleet

[wicked rivet]

torp % is 80 vs light, 100 vs medium, and 120 vs heavy right?

[split socket]

@elder crane u'd be surprised

[wicked rivet]

so 115% could still be useful vs foxes

my kawa is nowhere near pvp ready tho so

yee exactly

throw an oxy on her and she'd probly be fine

plus the dmg boost against cruisers would be nice for yeeting any enemy jint, aurora, juneau, or sendai

[wind parcel]

any tips on beating amagi, nagato, hiryuu?

[wicked rivet]

Amagi Nagato Another BB

or mirror

[wind parcel]

i tried all that

my hiryuu is still under leveled

enemy nagato is proccing big seven 3 times in a row too...

[wicked rivet]

F

[wind parcel]

"40 percent chance"

[wicked rivet]

enemy team has 90% chance and you have 20% chance everyone knows this

[elder crane]

Yeah, best comps, 2 Nagato vs 0 is too much if you don't have an advantage elsewhere

Currently though I seem to be running 80-90% winrate with what was said above

155s for secs, Ryuusei and Reppu as the plane choices, HFCR Amagi on enemy Hiryuu, Badge Hiryuu tanking Amagi

Ryuusei imo the choice for the mirror since it focuses down one thing instead of spreading out damage

[wind parcel]

and sb2c for dive bomber?

[elder crane]

Yep, sb2c still

[wind parcel]

oki ty

[elder crane]

The problem with cuda in mirror imo, is that it does damage consistently, in a spread out manner that really doesn't help win

Getting Hiryuu proced early with cuda does nothing, with ryuusei it often means enemy Nagato is immediately dead

[wind parcel]

what was the other auxiliary for hiryuu?

gold steam cata?

[elder crane]

100/150 is aviation fuel

and it's basically a drop tank that gives 5 plane speed too

[midnight heron]

ironblood ships r called kms for a reason

[vague token]

so like, what's up with the kizuna gear saying they have a "skill"

is there some like fake skill baked in that doesnt do anything?

also ill be trying rwg on sara

xD

[zenith tundra]

there a chart pinned in help that has at the bottom the equips with the skills

[vague token]

what, you think i leave pvp channel? jk

[elder crane]

I suppose you mean one that's not in the pins?

[vague token]

ive gotten a +7 and a +4 today

what a good reset

nice

honestly i didnt expect to get back from work and see rank 3

xD

oh boi

i need more general plates to max out rwg

+9 atm

and more blue general plates

X_x

[elder crane]

Silly gold rarity eating more plates
Though I hear some of them are bugged on plate cost?

[vague token]

oh

[elder crane]

Gotta get that and +10 before devs come back from holiday, I suppose

[vague token]

pyoko is the speed one right?

[elder crane]

The HP /luck one iirc

[vague token]

oh

ok

[elder crane]

Inb4 it's bait to get ppl to up stuff they wouldn't otherwise

[vague token]

why is there 10 of each lol

is that in core shop?

(pr bp)

oh ok

i havent started that

waiting for 50%

[coral wren]

I wonder how much running Sandy/Atlanta/Juneau/North Carolina/Washington/South Dakota would make things difficult for CV based fleets.

[bronze hedge]

What vanguard i should use if i use nakagi ?

[wicked rivet]

ijn

yuki/jint/ayaya juneau or whoever

just need to stall long enough for your foxes to annihilate everything

[bronze hedge]

Like this?

[atomic sun]

did the devs say anything about fixing the ladder this reset?

[vague token]

most are on vacation arent they?

for uh... golden week?

[atomic sun]

ye that's why i was curious lol

[vague token]

they were notified i believe just no time/staff

so xD

[atomic sun]

next week seems a little late to do anything relevant to the ladder

ah well

[hot creek]

is it messed up that bad or something? far as I know only a couple randoms got extra charges at start, same thing happened last time and they're usually not pvp'ers so they don't keep that rank anyways

[shell heron]

On Avrora I only saw 2 people got extra matches in at the start

[atomic sun]

i mean regardless of amount i don't think it's really a good thing to basically say that they don't care if there are bugs that give people advantages over others

[shell heron]

I wonder what went wrong? It was fine until DST 2 hit and every new season after that, there's always problems with extra matches

[vague token]

[elder crane]

I think they have 1 (or more) server-side clock that is set incorrectly

and are having trouble finding which one it is

[wicked rivet]

@bronze hedge perfect

[coral wren]

It kills me that I can't get Aurora.

[lime rivet]

I think I only saw one person on Avrora with extra attacks? Was just Vassileus

Either way, I think they fixed it already

[coral wren]

I want to run Sirius/Aurora/Yuki with Nakagi.

[lime rivet]

I tried that. Sirius and Aurora have like, zero survivability

[shell heron]

There was another with maybe 1 extra match but not as bad as Vassileus with 5. But scores seems to be fixed

[coral wren]

Sirius/Yuki/Ayaya is working pretty well for me, but I want to swap Ayaya with more aircraft damage.

[lime rivet]

Nah. Rank 2 on the opening day was me and I had only 5 matches

Or was it Schnee?

[vague token]

sirius is durable because she's a maid but more aa than belfast/sheffield

she only has like less than 200 hp difference compared to belfast

[ionic magnet]

there was 2 on avrora

the other one had 180ish pts

[lime rivet]

Oh yeah, Schnee then

[coral wren]

I think there were a few that got extras on Washington.

[shell heron]

I know I saw someone else with more than a 150 score. Whatever, it's fixed and over now

[lime rivet]

Found the screenshots

[ionic magnet]

how'd you know its fixed

[shell heron]

[ionic magnet]

its possible those people just didnt sandbag thats why they naturally dropped in ranks

[lime rivet]

Dunno. Vassileus currently sitting on a 594 score

If he pops up further, means his score wasn't deducted yet

[ionic magnet]

thats assuming he does his pvp regularly but what if he just doesnt care

[coral wren]

I'm currently sitting on 500 score and I'm 30-0 so far this season.

[ionic magnet]

p sure bug is still there

[lime rivet]

I'm at 595, no losses so far, 0 tries left.

[ionic magnet]

last season there was 1 person in all four servers and this season we got like 5?

[coral wren]

How is there such a big difference?

[ionic magnet]

who knows how many will abuse that next season

and thats only counting the most obvious players that rushed on first reset

[coral wren]

Oh, I lied. I've got 571 now.

500 was from the 2pm update when I was temporarily NUMBAH WAN

[shell heron]

I have yet to see one of the regular top rankers abuse this yet

[coral wren]

ATM I'm sitting in 7th place and our current NUMBAH WAN has 595.

[ionic magnet]

cos the top rankers will never rush 10 attempts

[coral wren]

Or maybe I'm not and my ranking just hasn't updated.

[ionic magnet]

we will never know how many people are abusing this tbh

[shell heron]

Isn't this bug cause by having extra matches left before the new season starts

or something like that

[lime rivet]

Not necessarily

[coral wren]

How do I maximize score?

[lime rivet]

Sandbag

[shell heron]

Sandbag and wait for someone on your list to move before you move

[coral wren]

Elaborate on sandbagging.

[shell heron]

It means to keep 5 matches left so your score is lower.

It allows for a chance for more bonus points if you get someone that rushed to higher ranks

Also risky in the situation that you forget to do your matches somehow causing you to lose a few charges

[coral wren]

That sounds too dangerous.

[shell heron]

Sometimes we like to cut it close waiting until the last 10 minutes to move for any stragglers

[ionic magnet]

yes, think of pvp as commissions. you do them once in a while like every hour or so depending if anyone on your list moved up in ranks

[vague token]

if you think you know your list

[ionic magnet]

your score depends on the point difference between you and your opponent so you want to wait for them to use their own charges first

[vague token]

you can usually get a +score after like

5-10 minutes

because someone is rushing

but that takes a bit of gut/feeling

[shell heron]

Or you can get a completely dead list where nobody moves for an entire reset

[vague token]

i had a guy rush 10 matches the reset before this one, i got +7 xD

yeah

you just gotta trust yourself when to refresh list

or when to hold em

[coral wren]

I can only expect this to end up being "I am a genius!" "Oh no!" if I try it.

[ionic magnet]

you can compare what score you got to the base scores in pinned msgs

to see if you did it correctly

[coral wren]

My current strategy is set an alarm for the update and knock out my 5 as quickly as possible so I can take screenshots like this:

[shell heron]

I had SeeYa on my list last reset. Guess his list sucked as well because he never moved til 20 min before next reset

[ionic magnet]

p sure we all went through that show off phase

[lime rivet]

I never left it

[ionic magnet]

its not wrong xD

[coral wren]

Also I need Akagi-chan so I can make her my secretary and make everyone see her smug face.

[shell heron]

It's fun being rank 1, even if it's only for a bit

[coral wren]

For a brief moment I got to feel what Sandy feels all the time.

NUMBAH WAN

[lime rivet]

But yeah, you generally want to only spend attacks on people higher ranked than you at the minimum, even when rushing. But to really maximize your score, you need to hope the guy you're attacking has that point difference

[shell heron]

Early in the season getting bonus points is not too difficult, but it's hard to judge how much bonus points your opponent will give

I feel rank 20 can give nearly the same as up to rank 300

[coral wren]

How do I refresh my opponents' ranks so I know who moved up? I think it just shows me what they had when I sortied.

[ionic magnet]

logout then login

its a pain i know

[coral wren]

How terrible.

[shell heron]

If you want to maximize your score, then this is what we do for it.

I believe it's a difference of 100+ between sandbaggers and rushers

[coral wren]

I find it hard to believe that rushing B is not the best possible plan.

[shell heron]

I appreciate people who rush. Gives us sandbaggers more points

[lime rivet]

Logout, wait 5 mins, login for refresh.

[shell heron]

But the bonus points for facing someone ahead of you makes waiting more profitable.

[lime rivet]

See, if you rush b all the time and win all matches what happens is that you get bonus points on your first match from rank difference (usually), but then you get the minimum point gain for the other four matches

For perhaps a grand total of +2 or +3 above the regular point gain per exercise cycle. Or maybe even just a +1

But sandbaggers will be aiming for much more bonus points per exercise cycle, so while they're not at the top of the tables due to not rushing, by late season they'll have accumulated a ton of bonus points since it all add up

[coral wren]

I don't know if I can handle not getting instant gratification.

[lime rivet]

I know I can't. That's why I rush

And let the sandbaggers know whenever I finish rushing so they can beat on me.

[empty sinew]

no one is forcing you to sandbag

just rush B and feel satisfied

[shell heron]

But if you're asking how to maximize your score, this is it

[coral wren]

I guess I'll try self control next season.

[high flume]

Hi bois, Is there any way to make Enty works in this meta

?

My WASD + Enty got nuked instantly lol

[coral wren]

Pair her with Vestal.

[empty sinew]

how is she nuked?

[high flume]

Akaga + Loli IJN

[ionic magnet]

your best bet is to use juneau/ykkz or both

[high flume]

Tried various method including Portland, but her skill is just way to unreliable

[coral wren]

Juneau/Yuki/Belfast?/Akashi/Unicorn/Vestal

[ionic magnet]

enty just needs to survive first salvos and shes fine

[coral wren]

Incidentally, what happens if time expires during an exercise?

[ionic magnet]

akashi unicorn vestal wat

[empty sinew]

don't bring healers into pvp bud

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

Maximum healing.

[high flume]

idk bout vestal tbh never tried her

[ionic magnet]

and you should never try her lol

[coral wren]

Vestal is just Kmart Akashi.

[empty sinew]

if this is still pvp talk, then don't ecksdee

[high flume]

Well, is Juneau still relevant nowadays? She literally gone in mere sec against IJn comp lol

[ionic magnet]

juneau is t0 and she wont be out of meta anytime soon

what are your gears on juneau

[high flume]

Current Backrow: WASD + ENty
Vanguard : Yukikaze-sama , Portland, Belfast

[empty sinew]

gone in a mere sec

doubt

[ionic magnet]

yes replace portland

[high flume]

Nippon's tornadoes man

[coral wren]

TBH WASDE is kind of useless these days. My Nakagi fleet straight up deletes WASDE.

[empty sinew]

if you've got a torp bulge + toolkit on her, she ain't dying first torp round lol

at least mine never has even against torp vanguards

[ionic magnet]

ive been using juneau all this time and shes not as squishy as you think

[high flume]

Well, I'll try to use her again then and she how it goes

[shell heron]

Mines has, She at lives long enough to see a second airstrike from Akaga

[coral wren]

I'm slightly intrigued by the possibility of Nagato/Akagi/KagaBB.

[high flume]

So, Ykkz, belfast, and June for Vanguard

[shell heron]

Sometimes she even survives longer than my Belfast

[high flume]

How bout Backrow? Is there alternative besides WASD for Enterprise-focused comp?

[empty sinew]

honestly enty is just a wildcard that fills the gap in wasd

[coral wren]

Enterprise has been replaced by Amagi for people using WASD.

[ionic magnet]

well you can insert enty in any comp tbh

[high flume]

idk man, since Nagato update, it almost impossible to win with WASD + Enty

[ionic magnet]

wasd should still be fine or you can do mixed fleets like amagi+hiryuu/hood+enty or smth

[high flume]

Last patch (akagi + Amagi + kaga or WASD AMagi was pretty tough too)

[coral wren]

I suppose you could try Enty/Akagi/Kaga + Sirius and maybe Aurora.

[high flume]

^ tried that cheesy comp. Not as good as you think tbh

Sounds good in paper tho

[coral wren]

Can't be any worse than WASDE is now.

[high flume]

LOL tru

[ionic magnet]

is wasde that bad now

[high flume]

I constantly need to reset more than 4 times just to win a match lol with WASDE

[ionic magnet]

against what fleet

[high flume]

IJN

[ionic magnet]

nagato+amagi?

[empty sinew]

btw how's your gear looking? backline all maxed +10s?

[high flume]

ye

[ionic magnet]

then its just normal

any other fleets can get walled by nagato+amagi

[coral wren]

Meanwhile my Nakagi with underleveled ships and +5 aux gear on my vanguard is rolling everything with almost no savescumming required.

[ionic magnet]

your best bet is to do mirror comp

else just reset

[coral wren]

I ran into a WASDE earlier with about 3000 total fleet power more than my fleet has, and it was basically the opening scene from American History X.

Except that the windmill of friendship and tolerance tattoo was replaced with a rising sun.

[blazing sequoia]

Hehe I am Making my Rise

[vague token]

oh god taking pictures of screens

[odd schooner]

Did anyone count how many ppl got lured into pvp since February

[lament lichen]

pvp

you mean farming merits

[blazing sequoia]

[empty sinew]

sandbag simulator

[vague token]

[high flume]

So basically, just wait for Essex if I want to play Enty for PvP?

[bronze hedge]

Is there any list for team composition in pvp?

Me want to know so maybe i can try it in future

[odd schooner]

@high flume you'll have to wait for Centaur too

[high flume]

Centaur? Does she has synergy with EssexE?

Pretty sure Essex's abilities only works on USS

[idle python]

centaur supports the other carriers

+essex only needs 4 uss ships so in cn/jp sandy/juneau can fill the other 2

[odd schooner]

She's like a glue

Fills in for the 3rd slot

But can shangri-la fill in centaur's spot?

[idle python]

possibly but I'm pretty sure centaur essexE will have better damage output

essexE isn't really a good comp anymore though since warspite kai exists but I have seen people run it and get wins vs namagiryuu

[vague token]

dont forget centaur's stats are a real CV

like 5.6k hp

and big aviation

unlike cvls

[zenith tundra]

@vague token how the hell do u win with that comp? it lacks any vg pressure if ur nagato doesn't proc. literally waited 1min for anything to proc on my end and ur comp couldn't do much either because there is no damage. if u can win with it on offense it's good but on defense might be one of the worst namagi i saw so far

[vague token]

i dunno, i hit 23k with sara quite often

[zenith tundra]

she has no pressure on defense tbh

[vague token]

like it's really easy on offense, her bulk gives her easy trade advantage

[zenith tundra]

my vg could last 3 airstrikes like nothing happened and because of that ur prak torpedoes would wiff trying to hit vg

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

as long as u win on offense doesn't matter but on defense it really lacks damage and i'm using hyuuga not even hiryuu

[vague token]

how many boilers you use xD

[zenith tundra]

2 only and beaver

[vague token]

no idea then

like im always surprised she steals mvps all the time xD

maybe there's a positioning thing

maybe because planes have to go farther

weird stuff happens on defense

but on offense it's fine

cause of the relative spawn position of the aim torps

compared to the vanguard

aka like current ryuusei

she'll be better when we get saint louis so escort fleet boosts that he damage more

xD

someday we'll get mirrored positioning

[shell heron]

I'm going to have to wait for later in the season to test Eldridge as a wild card against Namaryuu

This is the only Namaryuu def I can find

Using Eldridge is as weird as I thought it would be. She keeps Juneau alive longer than I want her to be

[finite valve]

maybe use eldridge with a dps instead of stall VG?

[zenith tundra]

ofc juneau eldridge is just fine if ur up to the randomness of having juneau dying whenever she feels like

[vague token]

sheffield would be more consistent

and doesnt get insta killed

xD

[zenith tundra]

but the new meta against namaryuu is eldridge

[vague token]

wait is it established now XD

[finite valve]

i mean hiryuu is basically a discounted enty w/o the RNG

[zenith tundra]

people were talking about it...

[finite valve]

and not like nagato and amagi can really nuke eldirdge

so in theory it might work

[vague token]

i mean, you could probably just toss 410 on nagato

[finite valve]

altho if that the case i might change to a dps VG instead of a stall one

[zenith tundra]

that is if u think u can just outlast opponent namaryuu without juneau heal

[shell heron]

Not like tests against that fleet will prove anything with 3 of those ships being underleveled. Perhaps I'll run Eldridge/Ykk/Jintsuu later and see how that does

[finite valve]

can sub out YKK

[vague token]

eww

[shell heron]

because that lvl 100 Hiryuu melts against Amagi barrage right across her

[finite valve]

i think saint jesus and eldridge might work

[shell heron]

But that test did prove Namagi cannot nuke Eldridge fast enough so it might be a counter to Namaryuu

"might"

[finite valve]

eldridge might die if they was in the middle of nagato barrage

even so eldridge might also just proc due to the high hit count of nagato barrage

when dealing with eldridge you basically pray to RNGesus lel

unless you fight vs foxes

[shell heron]

ofc against foxes it's a really bad idea to use eldridge

I dropped her because Amakaga was too fast at the time

[hybrid tendon]

eldridge is a counter to everything except amakaga

but amakaga is like 70% of pvp

so

oh wait

torp frontline

is pretty dangerous as well

[zenith tundra]

i don't even see a reason to use anti namaryuu stuff when there are really only a few around

at least on avrora i haven't seen that many

[shell heron]

It's still week 1. There's a good handful on week 2 when I get higher ranked.

[zenith tundra]

and u don't just run into them even if u want to

[finite valve]

counted around like 10+ ppl who use that comp

and only around half of them are max

@zenith tundra Press X to doubt

[vague token]

testing grounds when yostar

[zenith tundra]

10 ppl out of 1k is still nothing tbh

[vague token]

so we can fight our guildies and friends

xD

[finite valve]

when they add guild war in

[hybrid tendon]

can barely find our ppl tbh

wait right after I said that

found a namaryuu

[shell heron]

Is it a maxed one?

[finite valve]

when they add guild war in #pvp going to see a spike in population and ppl asking for "what is the best comp"

[buoyant parrot]

finally done got Bel-Chan, that took a while

[hybrid tendon]

yea

famine run it

almost beat me

[shell heron]

Oh, It's Famine

[hybrid tendon]

but its still mudamudamuda

[vague token]

i mean hopefully there will be like

a larger fleet in the fight

so you cant just stack 100 namagi hiryuus

in your guild

[hybrid tendon]

eh

belchan point is increased by 50%

after 5/5 update

why dont you wait

[buoyant parrot]

last night I saw in the #al-general they where laughing how Namaryuu is a T0... It sounded like they can't believe it... IMO this just shows how imbecile this people are and not really into PvP 😂

[vague token]

[buoyant parrot]

feelsgoodman to have this plebs in the PvP... I hope they multiply so we have more food to eat.

[hybrid tendon]

well

[buoyant parrot]

[hybrid tendon]

the principle is "just use all t0 ships on a lineup"

[zenith tundra]

i just love when people have to reset against that weak comp

[hybrid tendon]

and voila

but namagi + wskai would beat it ho

[vague token]

maybe i should just convert my team to full debuff again

[lament lichen]

cant beat lul

[vague token]

on defense

for the memes

[hybrid tendon]

namaryuu is pretty strong

[vague token]

guess i should get tennessee to 110

[hybrid tendon]

when I fought it its down to akagi vs hiryuu carrier duel

[lament lichen]

better put weak teams so people can farm for sodak and eldridge

[zenith tundra]

u just need to lose a bit and u only fight scuffed amakagas so it's fine namaryuu just helps with that

[vague token]

is there anyone outside of Fiji, Amagi, Tennessee, and Kizuna Ai (DD) that debuffs enemies 100% of the time?

i think that's all of them

[hybrid tendon]

aurora?

[buoyant parrot]

I know I already dropped this season But I couldn't help my self to be a cock block for this plebs using Namaryuu... Would probably switch to that line up and stay at the 1k ranking to teach this plebs how to reset

[cerulean estuary]

[vague token]

sorry debuffs attacking stats

[zenith tundra]

aurora sendai

[lament lichen]

thats only if she's alive

[vague token]

not defensive

[hybrid tendon]

cant wait for yamato

to play namato backline

[finite valve]

bismarck is next

[buoyant parrot]

@shy hazel hey could you give me your VG's equipment list if you don't mind

[hybrid tendon]

hmm

[finite valve]

also somehow i doubt you can use both nagato and yamato

[hybrid tendon]

yamato probably would have a flagship skill

[finite valve]

yep

[vague token]

eh, yamato will probably be like ws kai and be a solo gunner

similar to georgia and her 18 inch guns

xD

[hybrid tendon]

if that is the case namato back line would be imbalanced

[finite valve]

pride and joy of the whole fucking nation and not having a flag ship skill?

eh ok?

[buoyant parrot]

we still don't have any good comps for USS aside from WASDA thingy

[cerulean estuary]

lets hope yamato wont end up like nagato class ( loli's )

[vague token]

i mean, hood was the pride of the royal navy lol

[lament lichen]

nah always gotta be a loli

[vague token]

saw what happened to her

[buoyant parrot]

Georgia? SD, Wash????

[vague token]

and eagles dont have a leader anyways

[cerulean estuary]

loli si good but too much is meh

[finite valve]

isn't essex class is the next best thing for USS?

[zenith tundra]

nagato imo is dead in pvp past ws kai. she's too inconsistent and her there are better ships that she doesn't buff

[finite valve]

granted they only work vs CV comp

[vague token]

essex arent leadership still

[finite valve]

but then not like they are bad

[cerulean estuary]

essex still need's enterprise to notice her

[finite valve]

USS have iowa right?

dk about hms tho

they have vanguard right?

[buoyant parrot]

no skill list yet

nor even a character info

😂

[vague token]

like i guess bunker hill is like a mini flag

[finite valve]

gl farming 13-4 lel

[vague token]

but she doesnt have a eagle wide buff, just battleships only or destroyers

and well, eagle destroyers lol

i guess she can buff eldridge

oh it's firepower and AA

nvm

what a silly buff

[finite valve]

using eldridge against a DD killer name WS kai

[zenith tundra]

we need bunker for anti namaryuu then

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

by the time you get bunker hill you will have a new problem name WS kai

[vague token]

ill try essex probably as a replacement for sara when she shows up

[zenith tundra]

as long as u have ws or hiryuu kai u should be fine in ws meta

[vague token]

flood damage =D

[buoyant parrot]

wouldn't the Gold Anti Air Aux thingy would help counter Namaryuu big time?

that's like anti air +100

[finite valve]

rudder is more effective compare to 100 AA i think?

[buoyant parrot]

how so

[finite valve]

the gold rudder from PR

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that u put it on main fleet and u lose ehp or hit/fp for aa buff

[finite valve]

since it + eva which is effective against all damage instead of focusing only on AA

also hiryuu kai is the least of your problem

WS kai is the next problem

[buoyant parrot]

wait can't that be worn by like any Ship that has Anti-Air skill? examlpe Juneaue

[vague token]

aa radar would be better on ships with less aa

except sandy

since you get more returns

[finite valve]

the AA radar can be equip by everyone

except CV i think?

same with rudder

[buoyant parrot]

I wouldn't sacrifice my Main Fleet for that Aux

[finite valve]

CV can equip rudder but dk about AA tho

[buoyant parrot]

probably VG's yes and that would be on a ship that has Anti-Air Skill (for burst AA Impact)

[vague token]

i dunno why you'd equip radar on main fleet though, since you dunno if you're going to fight against 2x carrier anyways

[finite valve]

AA would benefit ship with bad AA stat since AA also has diminishing return

[vague token]

like, 400 aa wont stop hiryuu from air striking you 3-4 times

[zenith tundra]

the actual aa radar can be used for vg too

why aren't u using it then

?

[buoyant parrot]

well it won't stop it but it will significantly lessen the damage at least for 2 Waves before your jesus dies

[zenith tundra]

the equip is already here

just a bit worse

[finite valve]

i think eva would benefit more against non 2 CV comp

[zenith tundra]

that means is not worth it...

[buoyant parrot]

I'm talking about the AA Radar that has AntiAit +100 just to be clear

[finite valve]

i know lel

[cerulean estuary]

juneau deserves all the love

oath skin when devs?

[buoyant parrot]

the GOLD 1

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Air_Radar#Type_3
this shit is in the game too and gives 70 aa

[finite valve]

I KNOW

jesus

[buoyant parrot]

@zenith tundra not that

[zenith tundra]

why aren't using that instead of waiting for a better one to see how it actually worrks

[finite valve]

@zenith tundra https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/High_Performance_Anti-Air_Radar

he mean that one

[buoyant parrot]

THAT ONE!!!

[zenith tundra]

i know what he means i'm not stupid i'm just pointing out that he waits for the better version without even trying the one we have

[finite valve]

how much does 100 AA reduce air damage?

and how much eHP does 40 eva give a ship?

if you can math out those 2 number then it will be clear

[buoyant parrot]

don't fight guys we're just missing each others point. Its all good now we are all on the same page now

[finite valve]

i mean we are discussing on what BiS gear to use

so just need to figure out which has higher number

[buoyant parrot]

much confucious 😂

[finite valve]

my opinion is that use AA radar for 2 CV comp and use rudder for 1 CV comp

end of story lel

[buoyant parrot]

that's too much sacrifice

[vague token]

the only slot you'd actually want aa on

[finite valve]

how so?

[vague token]

is the flag

just use evade on sides

cant dodge suicide

[buoyant parrot]

That will lessen your Fire Power significantly in exchange for AA

[vague token]

but the thing is

then you lose radars/beaver

and that means your nagato trades worse with their nagato

so you die faster anyways

[finite valve]

both are defendsive stat

[buoyant parrot]

If you're going to go for that option might as well just use stupid North Carolina

😂

[vague token]

south

[finite valve]

if we talking about off vs def stat then maybe

but AA and eva are both def

[vague token]

sg radar is both offense and defense

_>

[finite valve]

so i don't see much sacrifice

SG radar can only be use by BB BC

[buoyant parrot]

hmm...

[zenith tundra]

on yukikaze the dmg reduction for aa is
+45 equip 57.6%
+70 equip 60.4%
+145 equip 66.9%
+170 equip 68.68%

[finite valve]

can CV use it?

[vague token]

use random word generator

[finite valve]

so around 62 - 63% for 100 AA?

[zenith tundra]

and yukikaze aa is literal trash

[buoyant parrot]

it is a huge chunk then just judging by that number

[zenith tundra]

yeah against hiryuu tho

[buoyant parrot]

yeah exactly my point

[zenith tundra]

not gonna help against namagi

[buoyant parrot]

good good...

[finite valve]

i mean you can just test it out when you have both AA and rudder

that the point

[vague token]

i swapped to 100mm for ykk, +70 is easy to fit in

[ionic magnet]

+100 AA gives roughly 10% air dmg reduction

[finite valve]

since you not fighting 2 CV

[ionic magnet]

is it worth it

[finite valve]

AA stat not worth it

eva going to benefit more

[vague token]

even against 2 not worth lol

[zenith tundra]

for losing suvivability against namagi @ionic magnet never imo

[vague token]

like, amakaga and nakaga is still a dont use radar

[buoyant parrot]

Well I want to make a Anti Hiryuu Fleet so I could trash meta's at ease

[vague token]

anti hiryuu is called do any 3rd

just put amagi bottom

[finite valve]

gl when WS kai rekt your comp lel

[buoyant parrot]

otherwise I could always rely on my Namabaka's RNG luck

[vague token]

and force the proc early

while your vanguard is up