pvp

[elder crane]

155 is defs best for the mirror on offense
127 probably still better for trolling Akaga comps

[vagrant veldt]

fighting into Hiryuu is already hard enough for Akaga

[elder crane]

Not hard enough

[zenith tundra]

all foxes must lose on sight

[elder crane]

But in all seriousness it doesn't really wall

They can still win a decent %

[zenith tundra]

what vg can win against namaryuu?

[elder crane]

Check the testing docs I suppose

[coral wren]

I dunno what vg to put in Defense fleet. I wanna annoy most comps the best i can

[zenith tundra]

nagato aa is quite bad

[elder crane]

I switched back after I realized it doesn't matter for the Akaga matchup on offense since you always win anyways

Have never reset vs any Akaga comp ever, I don't even bother testing it anymore

Even with carrying a lv105 Sheffield

[zenith tundra]

winning on def is more fun then winning on offense

[elder crane]

Can't see wins on def though, usually

[hazy rain]

how do you even know of you win on defense?

[coral wren]

its when ppl complain that they cant beat this certain comp

that u know

its working

[elder crane]

They complain on here

[zenith tundra]

sometimes u just see pics of that

[coral wren]

does jintsuu only work with aurora?

I was thinking jintsuu ayaya + jesus

in defense

I feel torps are stupidly strong vs backline

[vagrant veldt]

they are closer to your backline

[coral wren]

😮

RIGHT

[hazy rain]

I use Ayanami Jintsuu Yukikaze xd

[coral wren]

fk

no wait

then it works in def

[elder crane]

Idk I've never had any particular trouble facing torpfleets on offence

[coral wren]

since I am only caring about def atm

[hazy rain]

have you had any particular trouble against anything tho?

[elder crane]

Pretty much any sort of Namagi comp is not autowin

[hazy rain]

so vanguards dont matter

[elder crane]

Anything not Namagi, is almost autowin

[coral wren]

need vgs that can turn the table around

on top of hiryuu

I am always using her

[hazy rain]

can

[zenith tundra]

u can just get out damaged by barrages easily

[elder crane]

Some cases with Enty/Sara being exception

[hazy rain]

once every 20 games

[coral wren]

but do I go belfast jesus ykk that are more defensive or jintsuu jesus ayaya

for some stupid torp dmg

in def

[elder crane]

And I do mean it on Namagi, non-Hiryuu included

[hazy rain]

like half the time I see Juneau dying first or after backline xd

[coral wren]

yeah the timing is weird. still dont know when it will die

I usually put her on mid

[hazy rain]

Namagiprise

[elder crane]

For defense defs place her mid or back

[coral wren]

yea

[elder crane]

Leading Juneau is easy pickings for a offense team

[zenith tundra]

i prefer a dead juneau always on offense

[ionic magnet]

jintsuu+aya torps are not really scary without evasion debuffs

[coral wren]

its mostly for dmging backline

[elder crane]

As in, main fleet is unscratched when she dies level of easy pickings

[coral wren]

in my case

[ionic magnet]

i see

[coral wren]

but then I wouldnt have ykk

[elder crane]

@coral wren are you the "Roon" guy in Avrora server?

[coral wren]

no

I am KMS Roon in washington

[elder crane]

Darn, can't test vs you

[coral wren]

yea

[ionic magnet]

i thought you want to kill VGs tho

[coral wren]

I do on offensive

but I havent really met anyone else with torp vgs

on def

[elder crane]

Someone want to put up Roon's fleet in Avrora for testing?

[coral wren]

I dont have a set vg squad yet :l

[elder crane]

I want to see if it actually is challenging

[shy hazel]

ive never reset in my fights

[coral wren]

my defaults are Belfast Jesus Ykk

[zenith tundra]

i'll put my ibuki on defense

[elder crane]

So far have met 0 threatening torpcomps that are threatening for being torpcomps

[shy hazel]

since a week ago

[ionic magnet]

since 110 hit, torps feel a lot weaker tbh

[shy hazel]

i think im the only person

[coral wren]

I want to test this

[shy hazel]

who uses jint aurora nanoda

on namaryuu

[hazy rain]

me too

[shy hazel]

on def

lol

[hazy rain]

[coral wren]

but then u wont have jesus

[elder crane]

Idk I see that a few times and it's always been eaay pickings
Maybe they're subpar versions though which is why I'd like to test vs you guys

[shy hazel]

dunno i lm just not invested in jun that much

[zenith tundra]

410 on nagato is max fire dmg right even on barrage?

[elder crane]

Not on barrage fires

You lose 20 FP

[coral wren]

I was curious about that too. why does 120s use 410

[elder crane]

Which is like a few dozen HP

[zenith tundra]

barrage fires aren't based on weapon still?

[vagrant veldt]

410 is extra damage compared to 381 against non opposite ships

[elder crane]

Barrage fires based on barrage

[coral wren]

I see nagato is flagship so usually flagship dies first due to hiryuus torp too

[elder crane]

The numbers I see match my calcs assuming that, iirc

425 or so Nagato barrage fires vs 725 or so main gun fires

Nagato barrage is 125 damage base shots

[coral wren]

Ohh Yawn is here

😄

I am looking at his guide

on reddit

but its for CN

or jp actually

[elder crane]

381 is, what, base 130 or so?

[hazy rain]

whats the chance to burn actually?

is it flat based on gun and hull?

[elder crane]

Then lose 110% gun mod, then lose ship main gun efficiency

No, flat chance per ammo calibre

[hazy rain]

ammo calibre and ship hull right?

[elder crane]

All BB same chance, execept sanshikidan eg

No, ignores ship hull

[hazy rain]

like DD HE vs CL HE va CA HE vs BB HE

[elder crane]

Oh yes

Sorry I thought you meant something else

Then in that case ignores calibre too

[hazy rain]

airstrikes cant burn, right?

[elder crane]

Only Sara skill

[hazy rain]

so only HE shells

"fixed" % as long as they do land

[elder crane]

381 has 50%per shell just like 410s or 406s

Fire damage dependent on base damage of shell that sets it though

And gun coefficient, and if main gun shot, ship gun efficiency

[hazy rain]

do you happen to have numbers around of like

damage of shells vs damage of fires?

because it might be PVE-Nogato all over again

she throws like 6 shells, only one lands for like 200, but somehow burns half my ship HP

[vagrant veldt]

fire damage is just that scary

[random vault]

u know with all these fire debuffers im surprised we dont have a ship that boost burn damage

[hazy rain]

we need purple fire ext that reduces fire chance by 50%

[random vault]

why stop at purple

go to rainbow

100% no fire

[zenith tundra]

rainbow boiler best equip

[random vault]

they move so fast they become invisible

dbz level of fighting

[versed atlas]

Should I use 410 on Amagi and 381 on Nagato?

Or vice versa?

[blazing scroll]

Do you use enough IJN for Amagi's skill?

[elder crane]

I already did some fire analysis
Over like about a dozen matches, vs a 3BB comp (half vs Namabaka, and half vs Namagihyuuga), Namayuu takes about 5k per ship of fire damage, which is somewhere around 1/4 of a main fleet's HP total (after including Juneau, pearl, ykkz heal)

This means that the eHP gain of FE on main fleet vs 3 BB comps is comparable to the eHP gain of putting Badge on the ship

Running it over SG radar is then about 10% damage for 11% eHP gain, approximately

Numbers ofc will be worse vs 2, 1, 0 BB comps, with less fire damage taken

Apparently yes

Though small sample size, yadayada
Search for my posts here and "fire damage"

[buoyant parrot]

0.5 ?!!

[random vault]

very overhyped

lmfao

yea bb looks solid all around

30% crit, 25% accuracy and evasion is pretty neat

[elder crane]

Barrage ships w half-decent stats are never bad

[random vault]

might be quite useful in pve

[buoyant parrot]

PvP Lords here need to get their hands on this Kizuna Ai's

for Lewding Testing

[random vault]

nah she wont be a pvp ship

[buoyant parrot]

good then

less waste of time

[random vault]

no synergy with other ships that arent Ai chans

and not OP enough to be a force of its own (like warkai, hiryuukai etc)

62 x 20 AP 110% 90% 70%

144 x 6 torpedo 80% 100% 130%

[elder crane]

Not bad, but also not anything super special

% activation is nice and high

and ofc it's timed

[random vault]

what else bb has AP barrage again

like purely AP

o right

[elder crane]

Amagi/Hood is base 2k
Yeah, it's some special stuff

CLAP base

[left onyx]

uh which kizuna is t0.5?

[elder crane]

The CA one

[random vault]

the free one

[left onyx]

wait what???

[elder crane]

but that's a bit overhyped

T1 is more realistic

[left onyx]

i saw the stats and skills, i would think she's more like eugen tier

[elder crane]

she isn't that bad

[random vault]

she can do damage

its just that

she's mainly for tanking

definitely can be used in pve

but

i dont see how id use her over minne

53 at 120

well she is a pure gunboat actually

which is kind of surprising lol

ya

yea like

they give her sanrui skill

but sanrui exists

i guess makes sense for her to not totally powercreep sanrui

[left onyx]

i wonder if zeppy is any good or not

[random vault]

her main niche is being the kms version of prince of wales

[left onyx]

or solo farm

[random vault]

with so-so stats

nah i doubt her solo capabilities

her coefficient is only like 100

[left onyx]

more like if she could solo backline on lower world farms

[random vault]

i mean if its lower world u can get away with something like saratoga kai easily

or hecc yorktown

[left onyx]

you can get away with just about everything more like

[random vault]

if they had given her aux gun at 200% coeff it would be more interesting

[coral wren]

omg I ma loving the descriptions of the ships on that list

hahhaha

knife mouth. tofu heart

xD

does zeppy chan make a kms fleet now?

tirpitz smol zep big zep Z fleet

we should advertise it so ppl run that fleet. and then we can all get freebies

[vagrant veldt]

+25 accuracy +15 evasion gear is equip able by CVs

[coral wren]

go on FB and write OMG KMS FLEET SO STRONK

[random vault]

oooo

interesting

might be worth putting on hiryuu in en atm?

since she does like no damage anyway

[elder crane]

Meh, probably

[vagrant veldt]

buffed by Nagato as well

[elder crane]

worth a look at though

maybe later

Updated the doc for AI equip on Hiryuu

Trades some damage on main fleet for survivability

Not bad really

Probably viable for ryuusei

About same damage potential as cata on Vanguard
Just loses main fleet damage overall (-5% bombs/torps), especially losing on suicide damage (not affected by +Hit, so a full 13% or so less damage)

Gains something like 7.5% eHP on average vs non-fire, non-suicide damage

About the same

[random vault]

so whats the item loadout if with that evasion thing?

that thing + oil tank?

inb4 pair with badge

[elder crane]

Wellllll

if you want to give up a toooon of damage vs main

Might try it for the memes
Will probably be terrible

inb4 it's AI equip/cata for better vanguard wiping

wait that's just double cata in terms of dmg vs vanguard

It's only 2% more dmg vs ykkz for cata/AI equip vs double cata
And a bit of survivability
I doubt it's more than a meme

We only get one of that thing, right?

[random vault]

ya

[modern tree]

Acc doesn't work for cvs because planes acc is unaffected

[random vault]

its probably more to give em evasion

in case u already had badge on someone else lul

cheap sg radar, but costs as much plates as sg radar

[vagrant veldt]

accuracy applies to CVs

[modern tree]

Planes have their own acc, pretty sure about that. I will be happy to be proven wrong

[vagrant veldt]

Enterprise 107 and Hiryuu 85 isn't there for show

[modern tree]

You are right, it'snot for show, it's a hidden stat

Why bother running multiple evasion debuffers for nakaga if Nagato buffs fox acc

[vagrant veldt]

so they can delete vanguard

[wicked rivet]

Akagi chan is lookin good

Alone?

[ionic magnet]

so are there any kizunas worth raising?

[wicked rivet]

Does her eva skill activate with her launch skill?

[ionic magnet]

alright was expecting that one

[wicked rivet]

The BB one looks decent

[ionic magnet]

t2 is borderline bad tho kek

[wicked rivet]

yikes

[lime rivet]

I kinda want to try out namakagichan

[coral wren]

its % HP not amount tho

YKK usually always highest %

[lime rivet]

oof, that's sad

[empty sinew]

oooh, imma level BB Kizuna for some NamagiAi triple BB memes

her skills are strong af wtf

[lament lichen]

For my boats i need that fakkyu shell skin

[empty sinew]

but the blue skill tho

acc + eva

BB Ai is actually looking quite tanky

[finite valve]

true story
https://youtu.be/pI573hRAdDM?t=86
kindda relevant since jesus is meta

[vague token]

i wish it said the % chance to boost enemies

on the dd skill

and how much

if it's like an 8% boost i can live with that

[coral wren]

LMFAO

I love this video

Zeppys skill activation dosnt have text

:-.-

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514333656312053763/571375227615838214/image0.png

[vague token]

i dont think it does

[coral wren]

dosnt do anything

it just looks at u

[vague token]

it's just there to mess with manual

xD

[coral wren]

OH the head dosnt let u press anything

if u wanna use sub. u gotta slap her face away first

[vague token]

oh

[split socket]

it messes with auto too

skills doesn't fire by itself unless u tap her away

[coral wren]

not really. I play auto anyway

wait wot

really

[split socket]

yea

[coral wren]

ui sure?

[split socket]

skill cooldowns are frozen once she appears

[vague token]

she a hacker

[split socket]

hopefully it can be turned off once stage reaches safe

otherwise farming this event is going to be a pain in the ass xD

[vague token]

wait im still doing air strikes with the face on screen

on auto

[shy hazel]

u mean ai crap

i just auto anywyas

lol

[empty sinew]

at least u can just beat the stage and she fakks off

if they force u to tap it, i'm so done

also the bgm is actually good

shit, this whole event's is so well done

it's not that heavy into the dubstep route so i quite like it

but that annoying ai face tho

[coral wren]

my Zeppys barrage is pretty looking

using a CL gun on her

[vague token]

oh wait a minute, i see how it works, it doesnt lock skills out, it literally freezes the cooldown

[coral wren]

Beware if u using low lvl ships on event map. ur sub might steal mvp from ur main ships lmfao

[empty sinew]

i-58 just carried me not like this

[coral wren]

[empty sinew]

oh, turns out CreepyAi resets cooldowns

that's pretty gay

[coral wren]

why is the map so bright

[elder crane]

...are we still in #pvp

[zenith tundra]

nakaga dmg

[coral wren]

so weak. my jesus would heal it all aback

[zenith tundra]

my akagi did die after 2nd airstrike tbh and yullolaze got plenty of time on their backlines

[versed atlas]

uh

kizuna ai seems a bit insane?

[elder crane]

10s forced CD on immunity skill btw

so no permacloak memes sadly

[zenith tundra]

i'm disappointed that we got bad version of belchan event just because kizuma ai 🚮 collab

[versed atlas]

why the hell do we get these events in a fucking row

and multiple at the same time too

i guess iwouldn't care if they were trash like neptunia ships though

[zenith tundra]

if i don't get a thing from next 10 pull i might skip the collab all together

[versed atlas]

i used 60 cubes

half on special, half on event

got nothing

[zenith tundra]

i wasted my money to get all lolis

[versed atlas]

i didn't get any of the lolis or any of the event ones

i dont know if we can save tho

akagichan and the kizunas seem too strong to just ignore

[zenith tundra]

and then did 20 pulls for utter 🚮 in limited

[versed atlas]

idk

[zenith tundra]

akagi seems good to me. her skill activate on every airstrike

[versed atlas]

right now akagichan seems perfect

since we have a slot that can't be filled quite nicely

[zenith tundra]

i still think zeppy is an interesting cv for solo clears

and still viable as an actual cv

[lament lichen]

Too bad non of the lolis have voices

[zenith tundra]

[versed atlas]

which kizuna do we get from the collection event

[lament lichen]

Ca

Elegant

[versed atlas]

trash

[zenith tundra]

i need to find a way to waste 24k oil

[versed atlas]

why

[zenith tundra]

have too much

[versed atlas]

so

[lament lichen]

Belchan event is normal story mode ..

[violet comet]

the actual madman

they gave us the blueprints

[zenith tundra]

i'm waiting to level up mogami and sendai/jintsuu for ibuki

[violet comet]

i hate this event btw with a passion

FTL's so good, and yeah Im doing the same

[versed atlas]

wait why would you let AL run in the background

[violet comet]

^

[grave pine]

any good alternative to yukikaze

[zenith tundra]

for what she does not really

[violet comet]

hard to find such a tanky destroyer tbf

[zenith tundra]

closest would be fortune but dunno about how much she can survive in current meta

maybe she's ok against non foxes comps

then again yukikaze dies to foxes too

[violet comet]

for foxes just bring a hunting rifle /s

[grave pine]

i really regret not coming back earlier

fml

[zenith tundra]

the worse thing is that yukikaze is still meta even in jp/cn

like she actually never leaves meta at all

[violet comet]

ig you can not use her

if you run HMS compositions?

yeah but, I mean

[zenith tundra]

even with nep she would still be a good choice same level with sheffield and belfast for 3rd slot

[violet comet]

at least there you don't shoot yourself in the foot

for not having her?

[grave pine]

basically time to wait half a year (or more) for a rerun

[zenith tundra]

no hm 3x core data today... i wonder why

i know just curious why today no

[lament lichen]

probably didnt change it in the original code

[zenith tundra]

why the hell do i need to play the game in the kizuma event on AUTO. isn't the whole purpose of auto to NOT play the game?

i don't have a choice

i need to click on that kiazuma ai if not i'm not finishing boss fights

and i don't understand why

[shell heron]

Oh great, I got you in my list

[buoyant parrot]

lol

[shell heron]

you're using oxy torps or something on your VG aren't you. That number seems high even for an oathed VG

[zenith tundra]

he is

[shell heron]

that would explain why it went down so fast

[zenith tundra]

3 attempts in 7 mins miss amakaga meta

[real notch]

OMEGALUL

akagi chan has no updated data on en or jp wiki

she looks quite strong tho

cloaks lowest HP VG at 12sec, 23sec presumably

[zenith tundra]

it depends on how much u get out of her extra barrage

[real notch]

and fires 2 airstrikes by 23sec

[elder crane]

I'm not sure barrage activates shield?

Also it's apparently not a full strike

[coral wren]

isnt it 5 secs? per cloak duration

[zenith tundra]

3 attempts in 2 mins maybe nakaga is actually good at speeding

[elder crane]

.... I mean, well duh?

[real notch]

oh

for akagichan, the wording in game is different lol

[zenith tundra]

if u can win that's it

[real notch]

it says "special airstrike"

[elder crane]

Yep, it's not her standard strike

[split socket]

even though stats aren't out, I expect it'll be lower than adult akagi. Feels like you might as well use lusty

[real notch]

EN wiki says "aerial barrage"

[elder crane]

it's more like Dragon Kai skills

[coral wren]

She is so cute tho UWU. I wanna use her so badly

[real notch]

oh wait

isn't gensui rush in 2 mins

[elder crane]

Using timed barrages and gunboats seems to be great for not having to click on AI

wait does it disable timed barrages too?

damn, super annoying then

[coral wren]

I dont think it disables skills

[elder crane]

oh nvm, yeah it doesn't

[coral wren]

I think I rmemeber seeing my zeppy charging up her barrage

[elder crane]

Just poor barrage RNG there

[zenith tundra]

just tested it doesn't activate her shield with the 12s barrage

if only akagichan barrage would relaunch she would be actually very good

[elder crane]

Nah it needed to be an actual airstrike

or just "load 1st airstrike in 12 s"

[modern tree]

You mean the ability she has when she grows up?

[vague token]

lol

so did anyone datamine what the % chance to boost enemy stats is on hacker skill? xD

[vague token]

also getting trolled sometimes by my amagi losing her duel with enemy amagi =/

ree

[elder crane]

I'm telling you man, amagi on Hiryuu
Then tank build Hiryuu

[vague token]

i put beaver sara against amagi

she tanks pretty well

helps that she has 50% more hp than hiryuu

so if im against hiryuu i proc final counter waaaay early xD

[elder crane]

That should work decently too

[vague token]

so i cash out more healing from pearl/juneau

because im bringing juneau out of retirement

things are getting too annoying now

just hitting 1 dot torp on defensive fronts

is basically game over over time

nothing like 380 flood ticks i think on ykk

unpreventable if it hits

lol

+3 but too bad i slept through 2 matches

before this

xD

[finite valve]

already finish rushing

[vague token]

nice

[finite valve]

good 2 day sleep

zzz

funny thing about all these comp is that i won against hiryuu 100% but somehow lose to enty of the same comp

LMFAO

lucky e too strong

[elder crane]

And then ofc HIryuu doesn't do too poorly vs enty

[vague token]

i had a problem with an enty mostly because juneau still isnt leveled

so they had juneau

and she wins trades better than sara since they launch at a similar time

you want hiryuu for sure against the owari da since final counter usually triggers inbetween

and i swear i always lose amagi duels xD

even proc for proc

something something amagi's defense barrage spread is different

[finite valve]

old news bruh

[vague token]

i know lol

[cobalt ore]

y do people put pvp meta fleets

in their pvp defense

cuz ur making the game harder for other people

only explanation i can come up with is people just wana rannoy other players

and thats disgusting

[lament lichen]

no one is telling them that they can't put a meta defense team.

[cobalt ore]

i mean if it was legal to trip people

u still have to be an asshole

to do it

[modern tree]

if you have come to a channel made specifically to discuss optimal strategies for pvp, just to rant about how much you hate people using optimal strategies in pvp then that is fucking disgusting

[cobalt ore]

there is no strategy

for putting it on ur defenses

[modern tree]

tell me, what would be a point of strategising if everyine has bulins for defense

what are you trying to achieve?

[cobalt ore]

making it easier for new players

to get their south dakota

and eldridge

y is that supposed to be a bad thing

[lament lichen]

also no one is asking you to fight meta teams

[cobalt ore]

meta teams pretty much ruin pvp

[lament lichen]

you can alwasy refresh the list

[cobalt ore]

refresh the list of IJN fleet

[modern tree]

please tell me more about how you want to ruin a game mode because you are impatient

[velvet fossil]

Ruin pvp

[lament lichen]

also meta is in every game

not just this game

[velvet fossil]

What is pvp without meta and strategy

[cobalt ore]

strategy on auto battle

i guess i found the elitists that have meta fleets

on defense teams

[velvet fossil]

This is the closest thing we have in azur lane to compete with others

[modern tree]

where are you

tell me

where are you

this isnt cansas anymore

[cobalt ore]

i dont need to be welcome

[velvet fossil]

Lol

[split socket]

git gud

[cobalt ore]

bruh anyone can raise nagato

[modern tree]

okay, go and do it

[cobalt ore]

dont need to

[velvet fossil]

I dont seem to understand what you’re trying to get at here then

[lament lichen]

dont need to then seriously stop with this nonsense that meta ruins everythiig

[split socket]

then don't complain when ur team sucks ?

[lament lichen]

you just chose to make it harder for yourself

no one asked you to use non meta

[velvet fossil]

Offense already gets a free win buff anyways

[cobalt ore]

which is y

y ppl set up stupid ijn teams

[vague token]

pvp isnt a casual farm, at least yostar has not announced it as such

[cobalt ore]

but to waste other peoples time

its like people r tryin to take this seriously

[split socket]

cause they can

[vague token]

so until yostar DIRECTLY and EXPLICITLY states that it's a casual farm

[lament lichen]

then why are you stil trying to waste your time on that team

[vague token]

we're allowed to have competitive comps

xD

[velvet fossil]

[modern tree]

I am not sure why turning pvp into a useless currency farm is a topic, in a channel made specifically s people can discuss ways how to make it something beyond useless currency farm

[cobalt ore]

how u make pvp anything

but a farm

[vague token]

hey now, just cause it acts like that doesnt mean yostar approves of that

we'd have to have a dev specifically say that

[velvet fossil]

I got lost as soon as I read making game harder for people using meta

[vague token]

for that to be true

and that'll never happen

[shy hazel]

its not my fault i care about pvp and you dont hey

[vague token]

althouuuugh it would solve a lot of problems if they did xD

[shy hazel]

[velvet fossil]

Pvp is like the main focal point of competition in almost every game out there

[cobalt ore]

it is a farm

[shy hazel]

and its not like you'll even get to fight me

[lament lichen]

you either play meta or find a way around it

[cobalt ore]

theres just people making it a slower farm

[shy hazel]

im like in ranks youll probably never reach

zulul

[velvet fossil]

Just refresh or attack an easier fleet

[vague token]

not all match ups are free 10:0 anyways

[cobalt ore]

r u tryin to push the rank system lmao

[velvet fossil]

Its not like u cant see their fleet before u attack

[cobalt ore]

i got admiral of navy wit just ironbloods

its a joke

[velvet fossil]

Then why complain

[modern tree]

it has a leaderboard and you can compete with other players, you can set your own goals and challenges, you get rewarded for optimisation, doing math and analysing data, I am not sure why would you waltz in here and tell people interested in those aspects of it "stop wasting my time assholes"

[velvet fossil]

If someone is having trouble, theyre most likely underlevelled anyways

[cobalt ore]

wats the math and optimization

[vague token]

oh boi

[cobalt ore]

i can easily see wat ships r the best

[shy hazel]

[split socket]

at this point I think hes just trolling

[shy hazel]

then use those ships and beat these meta fleets

ez pz right

[modern tree]

I mean, he is but I am bored

he was never not trolling

[cobalt ore]

yall tryin to pull off pvp as some sort of pro gameplay

[velvet fossil]

[cobalt ore]

literally just use tier 0 ship

and win

[velvet fossil]

Its whatever, assuming he just joined here today

[modern tree]

you are not posting this shit in pvp channel with genuine intention of changing the world

[vague token]

it's almost like it's a competitive game mode

or something

[velvet fossil]

Its almost like its pvp

[shy hazel]

ofc its competitive

that's what the ranks are for

lol

no matter how casual it is

if there are rankings

it is competitive

even if 99% of ppl use easy fleets

[cobalt ore]

its not competitive at all since literally anyone can get top for just playing

[shy hazel]

its not my problem

[modern tree]

see you at the top then

[velvet fossil]

^

[vague token]

just because the mechanics arent competitive

doesnt mean we cant be competitive

[cobalt ore]

tryin to make farming competitive

[vague token]

especially since there's been no official stance

[cobalt ore]

good one

[vague token]

on the nature of pvp

[shy hazel]

hey nice meme kiro with saratoga on backline

[velvet fossil]

Im just waiting for the screenshot of him rank 1 at the beginning of a reset

[vague token]

im glad you enjoy my meme

[cobalt ore]

wats next ppl r gona start trying to gate keep the story mode too

i bet people wuld

if they culd

[vague token]

it works well on stall hiryuu though

xD

[shy hazel]

so

why are you even complaining here for

[velvet fossil]

Enty duels

[lament lichen]

farming and pvp lul

we trying to farm elo?

[vague token]

you cant

[modern tree]

<@&472236072743600148> hey can we get someone to take a look at whats happening here, I have had my fix, this is stale

[vague token]

there's no elo

i wish we had elo

xD

[cobalt ore]

daxam cant help but realize hes trying to gate keep farming

lmao

[lament lichen]

gate keeping lul

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

theres like 4 people on the list

[shy hazel]

you only need to reset to win

[cobalt ore]

i rather ppl just put bulins so the fight is only 1 second

and its faster

but nah we gotta make it competitive

cuz deres strategy

[lament lichen]

not everyone who puts a meta defense talks here anyways

[cobalt ore]

or something

[split socket]

you know what can make matches faster? use meta teams

[cobalt ore]

ur right vysaga

[lament lichen]

so people will still have meta def anyways

[shy hazel]

and its not like people here will even listen

gahaha

[cobalt ore]

tbh ur rite

[lament lichen]

as much as you hate it you cant do anything about it

[split socket]

takes less than 10 min to do all ur pvp

[cobalt ore]

my bad

[lament lichen]

just have to accept hte fact and wait a day to reset for easier teams

like all meta defense can still be beaten with non meta

[shy hazel]

you just have to have your own

[lament lichen]

you just need the lvls and gear

[shy hazel]

meta fleet

lul

[hollow dawn]

comes in the chat for discussing competitive part of game to complain about players who play competitively

[vague token]

the only time it takes a while is if you are running like nagafoxes into namagi hiryuu where you get hard walled

xD

[shy hazel]

you in the wrong channel anyways

[cobalt ore]

bruh the chat is PvP

im tryin to versus a player

[lament lichen]

Like is getting SoDak and eldridge later gonna kill you?

[hollow dawn]

nice troll, but cease

[cobalt ore]

sorry discussing pvp is trolling

ur a good mod

[shy hazel]

see famine reduce his 110 sodak

to 40 medals

[split socket]

you get extra medals for lb:d ships?

[lament lichen]

but are we even pvping

more like pve with

ai

[cobalt ore]

more like eve

[lament lichen]

and pvp mechs

[cobalt ore]

cuz ur not even playing

lol

if it was actual pvp how wuld the game even go

[modern tree]

I bet this guy has never used auto because thats not playing the game

[cobalt ore]

just nagato shooting the other nagato

bruh u cant talk about that

its not pvp

do i need to get a mod

[modern tree]

yes, go ahead

[split socket]

[bold elbow]

[lament lichen]

[vague token]

i mean nagato isnt even the primary gunner since 40% chance

she's there to buff up amagi to godlike ;)

[shy hazel]

time to make my def fleets harder

thank you for the opinion

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

[shy hazel]

now i realize it really works

because some people gets annoyed

gahaha

[cobalt ore]

u cant make def fleet harder

[shy hazel]

i always thought it doesnt work

hey you complaining here is a proof it works

gahaha

[cobalt ore]

here i thought people like that didnt exist

but its true

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

im probably gonna swap to full debuff defense meme though now that dd kizuna is here

[cobalt ore]

ppl wuld actually go out of their way to trip someone

if they were allowed to

[hollow dawn]

stop

[shy hazel]

thank you for the opinion, its pvp so its like that

gotta trip down someone to rank higher

[cobalt ore]

its eve

[hollow dawn]

both stop

[lament lichen]

so you're getting upset for something people can put up on pvp

[cobalt ore]

u can act like its pvp

but its not its exercises

player vs player

[shy hazel]

[cobalt ore]

is it a contest of flexing tier 0 ships against non tier 0

[hollow dawn]

mute past this line

for any side who wants to continue

[cobalt ore]

is retrofit warspite good for pvp

[craggy cove]

There we go, got Nagato's yellow skill to 10. Now I can go back to farming Jintsuu (after the event ResidentSleeper)

[cobalt ore]

wat ship is bad to have early

[craggy cove]

I've been farming since Ch10 was released

[modern tree]

Jintsuu is kinda bad atm

[craggy cove]

still no Tactician FeelsBadMAn

[shy hazel]

its been ages neko

you still dont have that meta ship

[ionic magnet]

i hate meme defs more than anything tbh it feels like a waste of time cos im doing pvp to test my fleet limits and here i get to meet memers daily

[vague token]

my sara comp gets rag dolled by torp comp because it's a long fight fleet

and torps compress the fight so short

[modern tree]

I feel really bad that you have been farming her for so long that she became obsolete, but it also amuses me

[craggy cove]

I'll probably end up running Nagato/Hiryuu/Amagi and Jintsuu/Fubuki/Sendai frontline

[vague token]

oh no

look i dont think it's actually that good

but once i get juneau to 110

[craggy cove]

Ayaya or yukikaze would be better frontline but I like Fubuki and also want to be a hipster

[vague token]

i have a feeling it'll be easy to wreck hiryuu

sara has 50% more hp than her and huge aa bulk with beaver

[split socket]

@modern tree like how hood became obsolete? (in ur words)

[vague token]

you just have a tough time with quick fights like against foxes

because you dont get a chance to get full burn/flood

dps loses to burst which loses to hiryuu xD

[craggy cove]

Will Sara be more competitive than Hiryuu once we get retrofits?

[vague token]

lol no

hiryuu will get actual damage

[split socket]

?? hiryuu is going to blow sara out of the water owo

[craggy cove]

Then I pray for the bunny retros asap

[vague token]

atm the reason she's strong is she hard walls fast damage

by invulning for 15 seconds

which means the whole benefit of rushed out damage is lost

[lament lichen]

also hiryuu is easy to get for new players

[vague token]

against better dps/hp ratio ships she crumbles

which arent many to be fair

[hot creek]

Jintsuu is fine tho? I sub her in place of Belfast since playing against foxes using namagiryuu is auto win anyways

[craggy cove]

Every time I see a pvp opponent with any of Prinz/Takao/Atago I die a little inside

[modern tree]

Yeah, in my words quoted directly from you and also Hood is the only relevant HMS ship we have atm so fucking bow down to me for making sacrefices greater than Kiroshima playing Sara for no other reason than his obsession with really weird strategies that sort of make sense

[split socket]

also running jintsuu, can confirm shes still absolute beast on offense (then again, u can run almost anything......)

[vague token]

see, they only make sense but fail at the stat level

just cant compete with dem stats

[split socket]

bow down to u who can't keep his words? XD

[vague token]

i can barely run sirius into anything anymore

[split socket]

what happened to "getting to fleet power top 100" to shove it up my arse 😄

been waiting for a while now

[vague token]

still level 1 =/

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

owo

[ionic magnet]

need second opinion. any kizunas worth raising?

[split socket]

bb kizuna seems pretty good

[vague token]

ill be tossing the dd on my defense for the debuffs

gotta level fiji to 110

[craggy cove]

Time to either get my frontline instantly vaporized or wreck face https://i.imgur.com/yKFW1Ho.png

[ionic magnet]

like pvp good?

[modern tree]

I mean, I would tell you why I have not done it yet, but I do not like talking about my job in the blogging channe.. I mean #pvp

[split socket]

[ionic magnet]

alright ill just continue to level my waifu fleet then

[vague token]

day 346, hms dreams are a struggle everyday

[lament lichen]

dont' think they are pvp good

[vague token]

jk

[split socket]

I'm also waiting to see u in top 10 btw ;3

[lament lichen]

CA kizuna is more or less like port kai

[hot creek]

where can i follow your blog then? @modern tree

[lament lichen]

BB kizuna is like washi with a bad AA

[vague token]

she has the firepower but not the gun efficiency

[split socket]

pvp ofc

[vague token]

and efficiency is better than fp after a point

[lament lichen]

i mean what washi wants to be

with lesser AA

[modern tree]

uhh, I dont know DM me or something, I can write a book or whatever. Also I lost 2 charges so not sure if I will make it to top 10 this season #blog channel

[ionic magnet]

how about the lolis? can bring anyone in pvp?

[vague token]

oh im not the only one who lost 2

woo

oh god xD

[split socket]

so ur all talk after all

[vague token]

well yeah

;)

i value my sleep and other videogames ok

im not donald trump

actually i havent seen him

did he actually quit

[ionic magnet]

i saw sumire but its 10 mins before reset so i didnt get to test anything

[lament lichen]

uh lolis probably arent that viable

zeppy needs kms

[vague token]

hiei is better than base hiei if you want more battlecruisers

XD

[ionic magnet]

oof okay more time to level other ships

[lament lichen]

akagi probably replaces herself to meme

she's more of a gimmeck

[vague token]

we were hoping she'd trigger her evade at the 12

but she doesnt

because it's a barrage

not an airstrike

=(

might as well run eldridge

xD

clearly

we gotta run

akagi chan, destroyer kizuna, and eldridge

and owari da

for ALL

the invulns

oh and hiryuu

5/6 ships with invuln

are there any others?

[split socket]

anyone know this guy? I could've sworn I've seen him rush almost every reset but now hes been still at 200+ for 5h+ 🤔

[vague token]

extreme evasion is a bit eh

xD

id like to run essex

if saint louis wasnt a frenchy

it'd consider it

maybe later on when we get georgia i can do like amagi/essex/georgia/juneau/some eagle/ykk

id rather run minne over port kai xD

because i love her design and voice

[zenith tundra]

what level is black-sp?

why

[vague token]

oof

[lament lichen]

105

you only need 7 boats

its pretty easy to get 3 stars

[split socket]

I went in with 3:3 + 3:3 cause it said 1 attempt per day 😐

yea I'm kinda regretting it now but I've already started so might as well finish

rip oil tho

[zenith tundra]

how many fights before boss

wow

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

guess i'll just use tirp then

this should work right?

gotta try it. i believe in her

[vague token]

believeeeee

[split socket]

solo mogami tho :x

shes not exactly tanky

[coral wren]

I did with hyuuga kai Shouhou and 104 mont

but thats a CL xD so probly better at surviving

[vague token]

it's like hard mode

but any map if you toggle

right?

[lament lichen]

just need to kill 5 trash mobs

to get the boss

oh god

[vague token]

oh thanks for reminder

[lament lichen]

the loli defense team

[vague token]

im at 6/10

[split socket]

I'm waiting for furashu but at this point I think hes just going to miss his attempts

[vague token]

ark royal kai, gains stats for every destroyer and loli form

[split socket]

I lucked out

[vague token]

i got +1

so im +4 total this reset

=D

[split socket]

dayum

[vague token]

too bad i already slept through 2 matches

xD

yeah when i came back for work i saved the guy who was 1st for a bit before patch

so he was 3rd when i got back

and got +3

=D

[hazy rain]

will beating eclair give me a +1?

[vague token]

33 difference

rest in pepperinos

kinda tempted to complain about interference and kizuna super hacker skill description

but i dont think they can do anything about that

[split socket]

u need 35 minimum

[versed atlas]

@vague token wait, what's wrong with her skill description?

[zenith tundra]

which equip is which?

i cannot tell them apart

[elder crane]

Box = Hit/Aux Equip
Chip = Boiler
Headband = 500HP+2Luck

[zenith tundra]

is chip good or just worse boiler?

[elder crane]

Also I'm going to get all 4 subs before Akagi-chan

[zenith tundra]

same stats?

wow

[elder crane]

Iirc I heard someone say automovement effect is on event map only

[charred sable]

loads up Azur Lane
checks exercises
6/10
looks at times
5:59

[zenith tundra]

more fleet power

[elder crane]

statwise it's literally a boiler, but gold

[charred sable]

That's 2 lost attacks this season

[elder crane]

That and the +HP aux over a toolbox are "great" for inflating fleet power

[real notch]

Rank 1 babyyy

[zenith tundra]

ur 4 rn

[real notch]

[split socket]

nice 1 sec flex

[zenith tundra]

u still have 5 rn?

[real notch]

W.e i got the screenshot BAY BEE

Nah i have 3

Or 4 i dont remember

[elder crane]

Wow that means I could've rushed it, maybe

I'll probs do this midnight rush then

[zenith tundra]

i'm waiting for @odd schooner to move

[elder crane]

And start getting in my 100 merit matches too

I've that happen with Belfast too sometimes

[coral wren]

why does my chip have 11HP.. its worse than a boiler

oh its a bug?

yikes ok

[elder crane]

🇫 to fleet power memes for now then

[vague token]

@versed atlas destroyer kizuna doesnt list the % chance of BUFFING ENEMIES

last time i checked at least

[elder crane]

Yeah, it's pretty

[vague token]

like

if it's 10

who cares

i want to try it

if it's 50%

oh no

to be fair, it just restores them to pre-amagi debuff

so if you can fight without amagi it's like that

[zenith tundra]

nagato needs more buff pls

[vague token]

if it matches the boost

to the debuff value

but even then

i dunno HOW MUCH it buffs enemies by

is it the same as the debuff?

but like i always complain about, interference doesnt even tell us how much it debuffs by

on the rare 25% chance it procs on the right ship

xD

reeeee

[zenith tundra]

so sp4 after safe and 3 star no longer have annoying kizuma around and u only need 5 battles before u can kill boss?

does it removes some of the large fleets that block the path?

u only fight 3 elites then?

i see so it's no longer always the same

that shop is almost 50k

48.5k shop

i have 20k oil but how much time to spend grinding

[odd schooner]

@Z4ckFairX#0342 give me 2 hrs. I'm at funeral service

[zenith tundra]

u can take ur time im 8 behind and was just pretty much memeing

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

good choice

i wish i wouldn't keep ships

[coral wren]

anyone knows exactly what the INT Chip does?

the passive effect

[vagrant veldt]

auto pattern changing one?

[coral wren]

yea

but what exactly does it do

I dont get it

no ramming? xD

[vagrant veldt]

pretty sure it turns the auto pattern into clockwise circular movement

[coral wren]

eh didnt pay attention I will see

it has to be on a VG right?

[vagrant veldt]

might even have to be on Ai

[coral wren]

yikes

[shy hazel]

wish it was usable outside ai and event

[vagrant veldt]

has to be on Ai

[shy hazel]

just for some auto adjustment maybe

lol

[vagrant veldt]

this pattern only kills the frontline faster

there are these massive disgusting production ships with like 12k hp

[coral wren]

dont thin kit works

on normal ships

I have it on my Achilles

and its just doing its normal AI movements

[vagrant veldt]

has to be on Ai

[coral wren]

I guess

lol fking wasted

general plates on it

oh well it can be used to boost my Fleet power as a Gold boiler

<.<

[elder crane]

That's what it's good for anyways

inflate that fleet power

If only the AI would just avoid ramming ships
That's all I really want out of an improved AI

Even a toggle for corner-sitting would be welcome

[charred sable]

Hmm, I have one attack left... Somehow I feel like I missed more than just 2 attacks...

[elder crane]

Your sandbagging game is defs off point

I'd be ahead of you even with 5 missed matches

[vague token]

oh boi a +1

[lament lichen]

oh we got a hacker in EX again

[zenith tundra]

i'm 8 behind and just 8 pts behind keripo

the lvl 44 one with 10k pts lol

why people even bother

[shy hazel]

[split socket]

is there a cheat for leveling up too? why do ppl throw away their accounts

[zenith tundra]

for ppl that are going for kizuma farm 1st wouldn't belchan event be better 1st since it's around for 1 less weak then kiazuma?

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

that a +3 lol

[split socket]

not really rushing belchan incase devs listens to feedback and adds manju pts to kizuna event missions

[zenith tundra]

i don't think they will

[split socket]

yea, I don't think they'll either, but just holding it off incase

10k pts is easy to farm anyway

[zenith tundra]

so at least go for what u have less time to do

[split socket]

I'll get some of it done with daily submarine missions as well

[zenith tundra]

do x-5 maps count?

[split socket]

yea, I just finished 10-5 and got 140 for it