pvp

[elder crane]

Nah those have shit fire damage

[real notch]

that's fucked up

[vague token]

your fires would be like 1/6 or less

of a normal bb gun

[real notch]

so you need FE then?

[elder crane]

For DDs for sure

[real notch]

yea i'm just thinking juneau atm

[elder crane]

you'd have to drop bulge then, I suppose?

That's my thought too

[real notch]

wait blue, it's confirmed in wiki that fire dmg isn't subject to PVP multipliers?

[elder crane]

does other ships live long enough to care

No

[real notch]

is there anything else not affected by it?

[elder crane]

It only doesn't list it

[vague token]

(and damage boosts)

[real notch]

yea ik i just wanted conf with other theorycrafters

but if it is then that's a yikes from me dawg

[elder crane]

wow, I fudged some numbers
didn't expect to just be 1 off

[vague token]

and you people wonder why i like sara for dem dots

[elder crane]

Was that fire from 410 or 381?

410, right?

[real notch]

well, it's a small (but significant) fact

i think we should try to compile

what else is not affected by PVP multipliers first

then we can make a neat little list

oh ya or add it there

that's what u meant

yea i'll add it into FAQ then

[elder crane]

Oh no that was 381 fires

full formula gives 747

[vague token]

and flood by extension

might as well add that in there

[elder crane]

410 fires do 864

that's the PvE formula being used directly

Even Nagato barrage fires do 474 or 475 according to that formula

Aurora over Juneau
Again, maybe no Jun leveled?

[real notch]

backline looks a lil lacking somewhere but

ok so YKKZ boiler FE?

[elder crane]

Probs not max aff on Hiryuu at least

I say box FE

[real notch]

i'm still inclined to use boiler over box

whatever health extra box gets

a boiler can easy outvalue that if it dodges any shell, main gun, or bb shelling

[vague token]

i mean, we can move boiler up when saint louis hits dev 30

xD

gotta go fast

oh and dont forget extinguisher helps prevent fires in the first place

it doesnt just reduce the damage

ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FOREST FIRES

[elder crane]

233*2.22+heal ticks, 64*, say, 5 at least
837 lost HP or so

[vague token]

uh, no idea

yeah

[real notch]

reduced by 30%

ok 5 ticks is a little aggressive

that's 75 seconds

[vague token]

wait i thought it ticked every 3

[lament lichen]

I think it was 3

[vague token]

and if you get a fire proc again it refreshes the full duration

[elder crane]

If a fire is started, the ship will be damaged up to 5 times, with the first instance being 3 seconds after the hit

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

reduces damage taken from fire by 20%

not 25%

FE drops length by 6s, to 3 ticks

~2000 HP saved from main gun fire

WIKI MODS!

[real notch]

LOL

WIKI SHIT

[vague token]

REEEE

[real notch]

GOD DAMN IT

[elder crane]

2k damage saved vs 381 shots
2.4 vs 410 shots

1.3k saved vs Nagato barrage fires

I'd... call that significant

[vague token]

well

amagi is also helping

[real notch]

lets see what aripanda guide says for YKKZ

[vague token]

10%

[real notch]

damnn

they don't even have FE

[elder crane]

reduces Burn damage taken by the main fleet

15%

[vague token]

oh

15

[elder crane]

or is WIKI MODS REEEEE again

[vague token]

half an extinguisher but for full backline

[real notch]

it's toolkit though so they might know that the passive heal is based on PVP adjusted HP

[vague token]

amagi is so prepared

hands out half an extinguisher to her team

and a free camo (except better)

and does tennessee's debuff on all enemies but not on a timer

xD

when she gets a retro my debuff team is coming back

i just gotta train fiji

ill reduce enemy damage by like 30%

or more

[elder crane]

Okay, drops HE shelling damage by up to 20%
should be much less since fires don't stack

Also doesn't help vs barrages

or planes

[vague token]

well, unless you're really unlucky and get a fire refresh

cause it refreshes full duration

X-x

[elder crane]

yeah, defs not worth it I think on main fleet

[cosmic iron]

does hiryu amagi beat akaga comp?

[real notch]

hiryuu amagi nagato yea

[elder crane]

On offense, easily
On def, it can take some games
for top vs top

[cosmic iron]

kk

[elder crane]

So far, on offense, steamrolls everything not a nagato/amagi team

And possibly also mostly steamrolls those too

[real notch]

ok so hiryuu with badge?

how legit is it compared against BB fleets

[coral wren]

I am trying
Namaryuu with YKK Jesus Eld

to counter other namaryuus

do u think it will wokr?

[real notch]

ok

wateva i'll try that test

SG oil tank hiryuu

SG SG nagato

[vague token]

personally i dont see eldridge being that useful since she only will block the first airstrike but not the barrages

compared to using like, sheffield

which is on from the start

[hazy rain]

lol

[modern tree]

just at roon and tell him that

[hazy rain]

Yukikaze OP

[modern tree]

are you trying to flex with stats from beating a bulin fleet?

[hazy rain]

it was an amawashdak

or smth

with a weird vanguard

no the japanese ca

[modern tree]

your Akagi didnt even launch. It was not a fleet

[hazy rain]

also how is this a flex?

I just found it amusing Yukikaze got mvp

once

[vague token]

i mean ykk isnt a slouch when it comes to damage

good torp stat

good barrage

just that the vanguard curse

xD

[hazy rain]

well she does damage if all her torps connect

but its easier to get back-to-back big sevens than that

[vague token]

although mine often gets torps during sara's escort boost

so that's nice

[vague token]

and 0 rng

[gaunt chasm]

twin 100mm or 76mm on nanoda? im thinking of using the twin 100mm cause it'll be more reliable damage as her barrage doesnt guarantee hits..

[real notch]

twin 100mm

it gives 30AA

helps with overall AA effort and yea

more consistent if barrage doesn't land

[gaunt chasm]

aight.. so this is BiS for pvp or i still need to change stuff around

[real notch]

that's looking pretty good

actually we were having an eye-opening discussion just a few hours ago on the mechanics of fire dmg

and overall the conclusion is that fire extinguisher (FE) is BiS for YKKZ

[gaunt chasm]

i wanna read the discussion, how far and where should i scroll up lol

[real notch]

uhhh

lemme get u a find term

search from:Kiroshima dont apply to fire

[gaunt chasm]

oki ty

huh thats interesting

[elder crane]

Oh man
5 s from missing another match

I'm cutting it too close...

[vague token]

5 seconds?

that's reaaaaally close

[elder crane]

Yo who the heck keeps changing sendai background to blue

She retrofits to purple

Just like how jint retrofits to gold

oh nvm it's just one this time

[finite valve]

@gaunt chasm use 113 AA for YKK if you have one

[gaunt chasm]

roomba?

[elder crane]

ooh namabaka spotted

[finite valve]

yeh

[gaunt chasm]

i don hav it

[elder crane]

What's the AA guns on your team?

(and what gold AA do you have available that you can use?)

[gaunt chasm]

vanguard have 3 gold bofors, and amagi has gold 105mm, im still using amakaga

thats p much all the gold AAs i have lol

[finite valve]

0 range

[elder crane]

Use pure 105 if no 113 available if possible

[finite valve]

i suggest you farm 7-2 for at least a romba

[gaunt chasm]

will do.. but since im more of a collector i'll wait till belchan is out then i'll farm 7-2 while grinding for event too been doing 7-2 for hardmode and 6/15 bp so far

[elder crane]

Best mix is about half/half 113/bofors
failing that, a 105 counts roughly as half of each (but a bit worse)

[leaden jay]

No way...

I lost to this lineup cuz Hiryuu was literally invincible

for so long

That's actually disgusting

[finite valve]

been rekting those kind of line up for so long even with jesus instead of ayaya

kindda close but a win is a win

nagato is too paper and will always die at first strike

[leaden jay]

I had 3 backliners still

and she already had the thing procced

and I lost

[real notch]

lol

welcome to hiryuu

[leaden jay]

It's like the new Enterprise

[real notch]

why we tier her on tier 0 in our (patented) PVP tier list guide ™

(check it out now for more details)

[leaden jay]

and if anyone was curious what I was running

All skills maxed of course

[finite valve]

i find that VG against meta atm is just too 50 50

[leaden jay]

[finite valve]

especially against wasd

[real notch]

bam - according to our tier list

you can see

[finite valve]

i find that my VG is better in my experience

don't need to change vs wasd

[leaden jay]

Then should I start running WASD to counter this specific Hiryuu fleet?

[real notch]

nakaga probably has the best chance of beating that fleet

[leaden jay]

I've got a full WASD lineup ready if that's what it takes to beat that Hiryuu lineup

[real notch]

you can perhaps try wasda

but it won't work well

[leaden jay]

Wait, where is that tier list from

Can I get a link

[finite valve]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=0

[leaden jay]

Is it the pinned one?

[real notch]

it's our patented tier list created by YOURS TRULY the members of #pvp

[leaden jay]

Hehe, thanks

[real notch]

PVP Tierlist by #pvp ™

btw, quick question @leaden jay did the enemy hiryuu have barracuda or ryuusei

[leaden jay]

I wish I knew

[real notch]

were the enemy torps aimed or straight

[leaden jay]

I wish I could tell you but I was too focused on watching my fleet get crippled 3v1 to notice

[wicked rivet]

barra's are nicknamed banana?

I like it

[real notch]

god damn it

[leaden jay]

but I'm pretty sure it wasn't doing that

it was a straight

[real notch]

oh ok, so it was cudas

[trim horizon]

cudas

[real notch]

sweet, thanks for the info

[ionic magnet]

did you try fighting him multiple times or just once?

[leaden jay]

since it nuked both Nagato and Kaga

[wicked rivet]

yeah aimed usually goes for VG and then whiffs

[finite valve]

that just mean that your comp is not optimize against them isn't it?

[leaden jay]

Really?

[wicked rivet]

how would yall feel about DoY with Namagi

[real notch]

there are ways to optimize, but ship wise it's just not as strong

[finite valve]

hms fleet?

[real notch]

@wicked rivet Dork is a mainly PVE ship, her barrage is fairly useless and her utility as a BB is good, but not great

[finite valve]

could work

i wait for monarch tho

[real notch]

yea dork is mainly in HMS fleets, which currently are tier 2 based on our guide

[wicked rivet]

cool well I've won every fight against the foxes with that

[ionic magnet]

doy is super random like any other non barrage BBs. one fight she can outdps anyone and the next fight all her shells just whiffs

[wicked rivet]

only one I've lost after nagato has been when the enemy E was too lucky and I on quitting

she's pretty constant tho for me

[real notch]

yea dork is not a terrible ship

[finite valve]

lucky e era is already over

[wicked rivet]

usually a little below amagi

[real notch]

she's not "good" compared to meta ships though

[wicked rivet]

yeah enty meta is gone luckily

those were the actual worst rng fights

[finite valve]

not like it is any better with stall comp lel

[ionic magnet]

constant misses you mean

[finite valve]

stall comp everywhere in pvp

[wicked rivet]

waiting for that one time your E proc'd and theirs didn't was boring af

stall comp is if their backline dies faster

if even one of the foxes dies before the second launch it's usually an ez win

[finite valve]

which don't usually happen if you mirror foxes + amagi / nagato

[real notch]

but yea, analyzing duke of york (t2) vs a meta ship like nagato (t0)

dork fires a barrage in 20 sec intervals with a slow effect on ships that are hit

[wicked rivet]

but with nagato, mid, DoY top, amagi bottom, it seems to be working

20 second intervals yeah, but coupled with the mk6 gun its pretty nice

[real notch]

firstly, this is a useless ability on half of dork's targets (immovable backline) and useless if it does not land on the VG

her second ability affects only the first salvo fired

which of course, has the problem every BB carries, which is that it can miss

[wicked rivet]

this is true but the first salvo is the most important for stopping that second launch

idk it works for me

[finite valve]

you forget that 99% of the time 2 of the salvo will target the VG

[ionic magnet]

doy is still a t1 ship in terms of flexibility

[real notch]

IJN BBs will receive a passive 10% FP, 20% reload, 20% accuracy buff just for existing

[finite valve]

if all salvo target that backline then great

[real notch]

whereas dork will not receive the buff (she is HMS)

[finite valve]

but since the salvo split off between back and VG

[wicked rivet]

and if her skill barrage hits even once it'll be easier for the first salvo to hit the VG

[real notch]

and further, IJN CVs will receive 20% more dmg (which is an insane buff)

[ionic magnet]

and just because it works doesnt mean its good btw

[wicked rivet]

thats the opposite of whats true

[ionic magnet]

nagato+amagi can carry a lot of lower tier ships

[real notch]

no we are discussing in aggregate

[wicked rivet]

this is true, but DoY is getting the same amount of damage as amagi

[real notch]

if your dork is working for you, great but that's not enough information to consider her top tier

[wicked rivet]

I mean tru

[real notch]

it's ok to say dork works for u

[wicked rivet]

she's T1 stll

ye

[real notch]

but it's not ok to discuss her as top tier because we need more than just 5, 10 fights or 1 person's opinion

that's the basis of how we tier ships

we take multiple opinions, mass aggregated test data (20, 30 to 50 isolated tests) and conclude on a tier

[wicked rivet]

that is how tiers work

I'm just saying DoY is working pretty well for me as an alternative to a different IJN backline

[finite valve]

@wicked rivet if your comp can beat the many hardcore pvper around here on first try on a daily basic then i would say you already set lel

[wicked rivet]

[ionic magnet]

that 3rd slot is open for like 10+ ships anyway so

[real notch]

ye

actually, since you are using namagi + dork

it's a good chance to maybe contribute to our tier list

[ionic magnet]

heck kiro is using sara

[finite valve]

should wait for monarch tbh

[real notch]

if you can find a maxed meta fleet, and test minimum 10 fights against that fleet (by resetting before the fight is over)

[finite valve]

since that is when hms shine

[real notch]

then record that data and send it to me

[wicked rivet]

research soon

[real notch]

it will be useful in our tiering of dork for future

[wicked rivet]

will do

[real notch]

we have what, only 2 dork experts here

which is totu and daxam

we could use a 3rd

[wicked rivet]

mine is maxed with reloader and FC radar, I need another one

[elder crane]

In case anyone cares,
I did a test Namayuu vs Namabaka
5/5 wins, but more importantly, I counted fire damage!

[wicked rivet]

I'll do my best

[ionic magnet]

wait why reloader

[real notch]

i'm more interested in fire dmg, i already know namabaka is surprisingly good

[ionic magnet]

it only reduces like half a second cd actually

[finite valve]

problem with doy as far as i can see is the inconsistency

[wicked rivet]

should I put another FC on her

I'd use SG but I only have 2 golds

[real notch]

oh you should probably get BiS gear on her first

we don't test without perfect gear/stats

[wicked rivet]

ye

understandable

[elder crane]

1st match:
My team dealt ~11k fire damage total to main fleet for basically a full kill
2nd:
His team dealt ~16k(!) fire damage total to main for end of about 2/3 HP left (half each on BB/BC, Hiryuu proced)
3rd:
8k from him to me, main at half by end
4th: 7k from him to me, main at half by end
5th: 13k from him to me, main at ~1/4 or 1/5 by end, Hiryuu proced

Looks like main fleet takes ~5k fire damage per enemy BB
Fires were only set half of the time at best after 1st set of shots, so saturation not a big issue

I've another set vs Namahyuuga to look at, will post after a while

[real notch]

yea that makes about sense

backline HE shells have 50% to set on fire

you'd think with an extra BB they'd set more ships on fire than urs

[elder crane]

Someone calc how much % of backline HP that is
Don't forget Juneau heal, ykkz heal, pearl heal

Yeah, and fires not fully saturated either, so more shots ~= more fires

Though I'd like to test more vs 2BB comps to compare

Oh lol vanguard moved back so far that Bel smoke covered all of main fleet

[ionic magnet]

@wicked rivet yea you can settle with another fcr for now til you get more SGs. autoloaders only works on someone like hood to snipe foxes before second airstrike but even that is hardly recommended.

[vague token]

i wish i could fight you guys, all i get are like not quite maxed fleets X-x

even if they're the right comp

[real notch]

you can probably find me kiroshima

if you keep resetting

[vague token]

not that my fleet is maxed

[real notch]

i bet we are in around the same rank

[vague token]

i used 3 resets cause i got someone behind me

no dice

just sitting at 6/10

cause im about to be distracted

[elder crane]

.... well, fires are very RNG I suppose
13386/12896 Amagyuu (me)
14023/12591 N3k0 Amagihyuuga Jun/ykkz/Bel
Match 1: 20k(!) of fire damage on me, for 2/3 HP dealt total
Match 2: 4.5k for 1/3 total
Match 3: 5k for 1/3 total
Match 4: 4k for 1/2 total
Match 5: 15k for all HP (solo proced Hiryuu left vs 5% HP Belfast at end. Was somehow outtraded, seems like bad luck on BB targeting and Barrage procs- 4 v 2 Amagi procs and 2 v 0 Nagato procs)
Match 6: 4.5k fires for 1/3 total

1st set of matches vs Camille, 13724/13189 Namabaka/bel/ykkz/Jun

[ionic magnet]

whats the maxed fp for namaryuu again?

is this fine

[real notch]

13401

[ionic magnet]

oh

[real notch]

if you don't try the voodoo strat of running badge on hiryuu

if you do it's like 13386

[ionic magnet]

hmm so hes running something different

[real notch]

ya so that's slightly unoptimized

[elder crane]

Main fleet for reference has 60k HP total, after all healing added, for Namayuu

[real notch]

my guess is his ships aren't 200 aff, and he's running a gold item when he shouldn't be

[elder crane]

Probably on Hiryuu

[ionic magnet]

let me try if i can see what hes running

[grave gale]

Probably has double cata with btd

[elder crane]

people run silly things on CVs

[real notch]

yea that sounds about right

[elder crane]

So fires seem to be somewhere slightly over 1/4 total HP damage taken on main vs 3BB teams on average

And I was wrong about how much main fleet get set on fire, they're on fiyah like 2/3-3/4 of the time as the match progresses past the first few volleys

[ionic magnet]

yea most likely double catas theres nothing obvious that i can see

[elder crane]

Seems like fire ext might juuuuust slightly edge out Badge for reducing incoming damage vs 3BB comps

For just the ship its mounted on ofc, ignoring fleet speed buff

[trim horizon]

just got 3 +1 out of nowhere

[vagrant veldt]

during the peak of Washington South Dakota Hood mirrors, every backline brought SG & extinguishers

when Enterprise replaced Hood, Enterprise was flagship with extinguisher & Beaver tag against mirrors or on defence.

[trim horizon]

they twitted Akagi-chan

[vague token]

oh no

what if

bb kaga is meta with akagi chan

that would be

[trim horizon]

👀

[empty sinew]

for those lazy to go check

[vague token]

yikes

[zenith tundra]

how maxed is switch namaryuu?

did they run out of ships to add and we must get bad loli ships now?

[vague token]

[real notch]

YIKES THAT SHIP

[livid fractal]

@zenith tundra I was using 2 catas for farm purposes, I could change it now

my nagato and hiryuu isn't max affinity

[zenith tundra]

i was just curious. it's fine i'm searching for a maxed namaryuu

[odd schooner]

Man, i rushed my pvp just to watch at the cinema but ended with a next viewing ticket

[vague token]

that sounds like very little AA xD

get nuked by final counter torps =(

clearly we just need georgia for 3rd

dat AA

quick kill on enemy amagi top

[zenith tundra]

not even hyuuga with 350 aa is that safe against namaryuu

[vague token]

i guess?

her other skill is still a gamble xD

might as well run like namagi warspite at that point

oh wait ;)

honestly the damage boost is so hard to build around

since the majority of bbs and airstrikes are the fast ones atm

not the 406 ones

[zenith tundra]

people just meme with whatever they want. doesn't mean it's good

also 2 ijn vg forces u into jintsuu

what actually is scary to fight against if u get bad rng is namagi kaga bb. 20 secs in all my backlines 20-40% hp

all 3 barrages procced and i had to reset

[vague token]

yikes

i still havent seen a kaga bb yet =/

i get all the boring stuff

[zenith tundra]

i'm actually happy when i see a nakaga in the middle of all the amakaga

[blazing scroll]

I am happy whenever I see foxes, too easy to beat

[lament lichen]

double oxy torp VG

[vague token]

how am i supposed to prove my team is bad if i dont get a maxed comp to test against

reee

maybe i should just give up and add juneau xD

[zenith tundra]

i'm not sure i want pvp full of nagato... too much rng if she just procs and u have to reset because ur backlines do nothing

[vague token]

just have to wait until the next op leadership skill appears

iowa class, bismarck, fun times

[zenith tundra]

we have to wait for ws kai for nagato reign to be over (if we don't get some other more broken ship before)

[vague token]

xD

then it's hiryuu kai forever

so we can have her soak defense ws kai

otherwise lol

[blazing scroll]

I thought with ws kai the meta is changed to namagi + ws kai

[vague token]

na

ws kai is the liberator

[zenith tundra]

u can use ws + whatever

[blazing scroll]

True

[vague token]

like ws kai for ultimate speed run

with foxes

gotta clear fast

[odd schooner]

Got nothing to do for 2 more hours

[hot creek]

@split socket https://puu.sh/DjBnc/a3a56e497b.png can u go higher pls

[vague token]

lol

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DjBoj/9e70e20081.png

[zenith tundra]

lol

[split socket]

nop missed an atk already and at 5/10 :<

[vague token]

rip

[hot creek]

fuck this meta

i have to do my games way earlier now

or risk losing charges

[split socket]

we were just too spoiled with amakaga meta tbh

[empty sinew]

no more 30 second battles

[zenith tundra]

amakaga should be a free 30-40 sec win

[lament lichen]

nakaga is the same

[hot creek]

yeah but people are putting up namagiryuu fleets now

also r7 at 5/10 https://puu.sh/DjBDs/59daf5b49e.png lul

[zenith tundra]

rip

[hot creek]

wonder if i should refresh opponents

i think i should

[lament lichen]

i just spam it till i run out

[hot creek]

can't get a +1 from any of those people accept for leftmost

but he could just douhble wait me out

since he is probably at 0/10

[lament lichen]

i just try and hit the guys who always rush their 5

[hot creek]

unless those lower people are at 10/10

[split socket]

I can't tell whos rushing their 5s or 10s anymore

had somnus who seems to rush every reset on my list 2 days ago, naturally I expected him to rush and got screwed that reset cause he didn't

[hot creek]

i refreshed. i definitely have a better list now

closer ranked ppl who can score 45 points and still give me a +1

[buoyant parrot]

stella is in my list

[odd schooner]

Imma change my BB shell skins to this lmao

[buoyant parrot]

@shy hazel you in my lst

[shy hazel]

congrats

time to reset

[random vault]

10h maint i may consider burning 10 attempts before entering maint lmao

[zenith tundra]

nothing about core data new stuff

[modern tree]

How long until we know skills for the chibis? JP/CN should be done'ish with their maint

[random vault]

we get 3x core data

but no new core shop item

what a meme

[vague token]

wait, but what if we reroll the shop

;)

we get 1 reroll a month right?

xD

/not how that works probably

[zenith tundra]

time for 2 more 381

after u refresh any brought item goes to 1 again

[vague token]

oh

__>

[random vault]

their maint is like few hours before our maint

i think?

actually nvm same time as us

but maybe their maint finishes faster

[vague token]

ooh someone with namagi owari da

[zenith tundra]

are u actually expecting anything out of those loli ships?

[vague token]

i shall test against them and prove sara is superior

[random vault]

illogical part of me wants a healer zeppy

the rest, i dont care as much

[cerulean estuary]

what if extennded maintenance

rip to sandbaggers

[random vault]

@cerulean estuary thats why i thinking of burning 10 pvp attempt before maint

[cerulean estuary]

yeah i also consider that

[trim horizon]

Chibis are construction

[zenith tundra]

i can't lose anything so i'm gonna stay at 5/10

[random vault]

because if it lasts 10 hours itll be 1am when i can continue playing

and i have to stay awake too cause after that next pvp reset is in 2 hours

[modern tree]

Yes, I expect chibis to at least be alright, considering Little Bel is easily a t1 pve ship, and there are 3 coming, 2 of them being ijn and one also being Kongou class

[random vault]

i honestly am not sure what can akagi chan even offer tbh lol

boost amagi stat? idk

even if she get synergy with kaga she's still weaker than akagi in stats

[zenith tundra]

graf is meh and hiei is bad i don't see how would the loli versions be better

[random vault]

like i said i have an irrational dream of a kms german cv healer

hiei ive no idea too

[vague token]

hiei will probably be an improvement lol

[zenith tundra]

hiei skill
10 seconds after start of battle and 20% chance every 20 seconds after: For 8 seconds, receives 20% (50%) of damage other backline ships take, and increases damage dealt to a random enemy by 8% (20%).

[vague token]

cause base hiei is just a worse sodak with worse stats

[real notch]

yo

is there anything we're missing from pvp guide

is it public yet

[sharp obsidian]

Well, with Akagi-chan being launched, PvP is bound to have another shakeup

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

we are getting all this ..... instead of pr ships

and there is a high chance we wont even get pr bps from belchan event

[trim horizon]

Priorities amirite

[lament lichen]

already cucked by playing EN

[blazing scroll]

Oi, I want my pr bps

[zenith tundra]

why would belchan event have pr bps when research not even implemented in game

[blazing scroll]

I know but I still want them

[trim horizon]

We should be able to atleast have them in the storage

[blazing scroll]

Getting them is a pain anyway

So every little help is appreciated

[zenith tundra]

i want them but tbh i'm not expecting them just so i'm disappointed when they will not be there

[modest elbow]

top 50 is impossible if i missed like 10 battles rite

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 10/10 and 7 behind

[modest elbow]

i mean i did too, took me like 3 resets, first try got me 110 something, second try got me to 102, finally got it with a rank 98

[zenith tundra]

now that i look at it better rush top 50 while i can

[zenith tundra]

no luck getting jojo in my list

[brittle hill]

What

I'm only rank 69 right now

[hot creek]

if i burned all my charges to get to 0/10 I would have to eat so many +9s

10 hour maintenance is sketchy

[random vault]

ikr

we only have 12 hours between 2 pvp resets

[midnight heron]

better to eat +9 than +0 😄

[random vault]

then when we do that they finish maint in 6 hours 😏

already grabbed em

a shame, i wanted wasd amagi to be more threatening

[grave gale]

I don't understand what the notes refer to about the reset cycle for the core shop. Isn't it already like that?

[random vault]

basically restocking any items u have bought

[charred sable]

Unexpected mirror match result

[hot creek]

i had the inverse of that happen to me earlier

[modest elbow]

looks like a ykkz win

isn't it?

[hot creek]

wasn't paying attention to whether my hiryuu had already procced or not so you better bet i reset that shit

[random vault]

pvp nowadays i just look at hiryuu and ignore everything else

[hot creek]

yes, look at yours and enemy's

[random vault]

when it proc i look at the timer and estimate how long till it ends

[hot creek]

this meta is so cancer

[random vault]

idc bout enemy that much, if after my hiryuu proc and im in deep shit then might as well reset lol

[real notch]

core data? HMM

how much core data have u guys saved up?

i thought everyone had a big surplus at this point

[grave gale]

What's the point of saving it up? You won't get more shells when they release them. Since you can make enough to buy both every month

Unless you really want day 1 shells (which is probably your reason)

I have 1014 right now. I own three 381s and one 203 proto. I'm most likely gonna buy a third oxy so I can outfit all my submarines with one.

[hot creek]

depends whats you value more

I won't be leveling much ships

so ill just take extra oxy torps or whatever

[storm pasture]

Is it possible that crane sisters are direct counter for hiryuu?

[real notch]

nope

the crane sisters are just sadly ignored

a more viable hiryuu counter is whoever snipes her faster

and forces her undying proc faster

[random vault]

or a ship that nullifies all blue skill

[storm pasture]

https://youtu.be/Ymz8urZ5oGY

https://youtu.be/mnNh7FNwjLI

These two videos made it look so easy

Not my video tho

First one using nagato as wild card

Second one using enterprise

[finite valve]

is that enemies team even max?

[random vault]

first video he got big seven activated twice in a row

[finite valve]

on 2 clip cranes basically nuke their VG + back line in 1 air strike

[charred sable]

Bunny sisters > crane sisters

[storm pasture]

Look at the power point, look like max, cuz 13k

[split socket]

not maxed (missing affinity) but looking at those dmg it wouldn't have mattered

[charred sable]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up running Nagato1 + foxes in PvE team 1, then Nagato2 + bunnies in PvE team 2

[finite valve]

looking closely enty did not even proc

[random vault]

he got radar scan up in video2

[finite valve]

or was is due to helena too OP?

[random vault]

also his enemies never get any big seven or amagi barrage proc

[split socket]

2nd video was radar scan + lucky e

[storm pasture]

Doesnt matter when they all die in 1st airstrike

[split socket]

should show a video where none of that procs

[storm pasture]

Ive never seen foxes do that before

[finite valve]

i feel like that comp only work vs Namaryuu

against amakaga dk

[random vault]

rather than calling it a direct counter ill just say en namaryuu is not at top condition, so many teams can beat it lol

just a matter of resetting

[finite valve]

"top form" w/o bunnies kai

gl lel

[random vault]

no kai, no washing machine etc

[finite valve]

tbh washing machine is just whatever lel

[midnight heron]

still interesting results o.o

[finite valve]

not really since that comp exploit Namaryuu weakness which is no burst

[midnight heron]

isnt dat da point of counters anyway

exploiting weaknesses

[random vault]

ill be too lazy to raise cranes just for the sake of defeating namaryuu

but ye if u can consider radar scan + 3 cv worthwhile then sure its a counter

[storm pasture]

@random vault so its better just mirror it to counter rather than raising cranes?

[coral wren]

imagine swapping fleet everytime u face a different opponant

[random vault]

the mirror can handle more variety of pvp fleets than the cranes imo

buuuuut thats just my opinion

shoukaku's damage boost is great, but zui is a bit lacklustre in damage

[coral wren]

I kinda wanna lvl up cranes cus feels neglected otherwise. but I am afraid the moment i lvl them up. rabbit kai comes

and I will be like oh well. time well spent

[random vault]

mfw i ignored soryuu

[coral wren]

:c

[charred sable]

Fox girls > bunny girls > crane girls

[finite valve]

still manage to find success with my amakaga so whatever tbh lel

[coral wren]

u are attacking m8

[random vault]

i like cranes the most in terms of design actually

[finite valve]

and there are still some ppl who manage to lose on off

[coral wren]

those ppl are bad and probly bad at pve too

[random vault]

u know what

[finite valve]

so that statement is irrelevant when ppl still lose

[random vault]

we should theorycraft the worst pvp team that can win in offense

[red nexus]

Imagine pvp was not auto

[charred sable]

@random vault easy - torpedoes + 2x damage procs

[coral wren]

I vote Royal ark, Vert, Green heart, and lolis

[random vault]

lets assume we can reset a billion times

[charred sable]

RNG enough and all your CVs will double damage proc and all your torpedoes hit

[midnight heron]

im bad cuz i dont hav oathed ships 😄

[random vault]

ranger long island bogue

[coral wren]

u are not bad. u are just poor

[charred sable]

just run 🌮

4s win

[elder crane]

Ranger and meatshields

[storm pasture]

I remember some guy using akashi to win namahyuuri

[coral wren]

I read that on FB comments too. appareantly akashi is direct counter to nanamhryuu

[random vault]

lmao how so

akashi aa mattered?

[finite valve]

houshou akashi vestal + pudding bullin purrin

[midnight heron]

prob cuz no burst dmg so she heals it back and destroys planes

[finite valve]

if someone manage to win with that comp on off

against max meta comp

i am going to pay him 1k

[elder crane]

Idk I think mirror might not be difficult
Also CV damage is only like 1/3 of all damage
And akashi heal is pretty weak

[random vault]

this the meme timeline we live in

[coral wren]

I will go find the comment sec

[random vault]

i mean if cranes can beat en namaryuu its not impossible to think akashi could

[elder crane]

Maybe vs 2CV at least

[midnight heron]

well pvp is so much rng anyway so w/e works works

[elder crane]

Akashi would be carried and not the carry ship though

[random vault]

the only issue with relying on takeoff strat is ensuring your device doesnt crash first

[finite valve]

maybe #pvp should make challenge like these where they change req for each month to see who come out on top

[coral wren]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av39854717?from=search&seid=2629081392069897508&fbclid=IwAR3vdIBVtHNHQxfa2qnagWqYZ7LtMhFvTBSfb73GGKx_-ZCSi19exMuiHts

[storm pasture]

@coral wren aw, you faster than me 1 sec

[elder crane]

Pretty sure team won despite Akashi not because of her

[finite valve]

what timeline is that?

[shy hazel]

i cant spell dumb

[coral wren]

HAHA instead of 天龙门 its called 天猫门

yea cus akashi meows

nyaa

[finite valve]

Challenge of the century "Winning a pvp math on off using houshou vestal akashi pudding purrin bullin vs a max meta fleet"

[coral wren]

Whos pudding

[finite valve]

the person who can finish this challenge will receive 1k

[storm pasture]

So that video about akashi won against top meta, is that luck or......

[split socket]

1k what?

[elder crane]

Luck

[finite valve]

$1k

[coral wren]

its basicly Nagato and Amagi carry

[elder crane]

You see vanguard and main win fight

Despite lower potential damage output

So pure RNG

[split socket]

does it count if I rename my entire fleet to Houshou, Vestal, Akashi etc etc

xD

[coral wren]

did enemy namagi even proc once?!?

[finite valve]

1k is a small price to pay if someone manage to win a match with that comp

like iam going to call them uncle if they do

[shy hazel]

nah impossible

if vg had a good ship maybe

[split socket]

u need to find a bulin fleet

then use ur own bulin

with akashi backline both

smth like that probably will work 😄

[finite valve]

@balmy torrent you want enty duel?

[elder crane]

Oh akagi-chan's design's pretty nice

[storm pasture]

Past 5 mins, vanguard tank maxskills + no equipment

[elder crane]

My little yandere can't be

[coral wren]

UWU me?

this video makes me wanna make a AA fleet to counter foxes

then I rmemember namaryuu is made to counter foxes

[elder crane]

Warning, PR AA equip probably needed

[coral wren]

Ik its not. but it can stall foxes

so dosnt need akashi :c

[elder crane]

Also I hear AA is dead now with the new core datae shop CV aux

Upgraded drop tank that also gives planes 5 speed

[finite valve]

AA is dead or just that everyone and their mother just switch to non CV line up?

since that is what happen when WS kai comes around

[elder crane]

IJN comp still run
And some run CVs with WSkai

[finite valve]

problem is WS kai alone just straight up nuke a fox

[elder crane]

100/150 fuel gives planes about 10% more flying speed, and iirc, more bonus HP than drop tank

[finite valve]

so AA is pretty much useless

[elder crane]

Not the fox IJN

[split socket]

do u know if the cv aux comes with the shells?

[elder crane]

Unlikely

[finite valve]

not a chance

[elder crane]

It's muuuuuch newer

[split socket]

oh

[finite valve]

they just introduce that like what?
3 to 6 months ago?

[elder crane]

Less I think, time wise

[finite valve]

shell been around like forever

-10% on air strike cd

[elder crane]

?

[split socket]

it's not airstrike cd

[elder crane]

It's flying speed

[coral wren]

I wonder how good this is on my Hyuuga kai

[elder crane]

Like, zoom past your AA

That use

iirc it's enough to allow desync CVs with correct plane setups though

E.g. avoiding Enty proc

Or hitting first in general

[finite valve]

i got around 20+ cata already

not going to care for the last 5 for another one

zzz

[elder crane]

You holding those 15+ gold bps is triggering me for some reason

Catas are super fing common for golds in boxes

[finite valve]

@elder crane you mean cranes?

[elder crane]

Catas, cranes, 533 quint torps

I've gotten shitloads of all 3

[finite valve]

my cranes count from release till now is still around 10 max

good enough lel

[elder crane]

19 gold catas for me
More than even my 17 105s

Only issue is aux plates needed to upgrade them

[finite valve]

supper unlucky with mag torp heh lel

just camp 7-2 24/7

8-4 is best for low lvl

w9 is just cancer with all the BB + boss shit

[elder crane]

Ah, but he's leveling vanguard

So BB shooting his presumably close to max flag isn't an issue for 9-4

... affection, or potential level with stored XP?

Ah
Amagi 3 mil for me, 120 and then some, from carrying ch11
Nagato, will wait for Izumo maybe

I got Sendai 1st run

Then I tried to grind a dupe for her and none in 100+ runs

I super lucsacked ch11
Agano gotten before halfway to safe danger level
Sendai 1st run, Columbia was 6th iirc

[hybrid tendon]

done with 11 ages ago

[shy hazel]

Little Bel event will have BPs

[hot creek]

who even needs normal blueprints at this point

gib PR BP pls

[shy hazel]

yeah

pr bps

according to restart

[buoyant parrot]

who made badge placement?

that's some cool shit there

[hybrid tendon]

we have missed a fuck ton of research bp

[buoyant parrot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xVEtFH-CFDc0pcGb4VGNWaJ0z4RNJz1OP0A3CwQ0p78/edit#gid=322274741

ahh good

this kind of thing is for advance PvP players

[coral wren]

Is there a

TLDR?

[buoyant parrot]

well this is advance stuff... you wouldn't go this far if you're really into advance shits. tldr is for basic things

basically you've already red a lot before you even get to that badge thing

[coral wren]

I didnt read anything

I look at picture

[buoyant parrot]

not for you if that's the case

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

Tldr badge over either sg radar or gold cata is effectively a straight dmg trade for survivability
10% for 11%, approximately, for SG;
14% for 15+%, approximately, for Catapult
Doc is the calcs to show this is the case, as well as give some nuances

[buoyant parrot]

what's funny is what you just typed in is even longer compare to your number diagrams 😂

[elder crane]

Well, I did hide all the calcs to make it readable

Would be longer than my AA essay if I were to walk through those

[versed atlas]

goddamit

i slept through today's alarm

RIP 4 fights

do we know the abilities the new PR ships will have?

[random vault]

yea they are already in wiki

[hybrid tendon]

I missed 5 fights

reading a book

that was a good book

[versed atlas]

dang

i was hoping that FDG's skill would be like

+15 to secondary gun range

[elder crane]

She's just super thicc
And also good if not amazing damage output

[shy hazel]

theyre aggressive in selling that mahjong game now

cos majhong games in china just got banned

need to find new market

[elder crane]

Wait, seriously?

If that game is proper mahjong, it could have a niche

I haven't seen a single proper mobile mahjong game on the market

[shy hazel]

no wonder top ranks got so thin

almost all sandbaggers here lost rounds

i think its only vysaga whos left

[coral wren]

lul. pvp is not about who got best fleet or luck. its about if u can not oversleep ur rounds

[shell heron]

I still see switch up there with what I'm assuming 5/10 left.

That's what I take my +0 over losing matches

Not like it hasn't been +1 or +0 each reset these last few days

[shy hazel]

i dont think switch has 5/10?

i joke with him other day to do rounds and the madman did it

[shell heron]

At worse that is 2 or 3 +9 matches. So prob sitting on 5/10 again seeing as our poiny difference is not too great

On the otherhand, those that slept past their matches...

[finite valve]

only if you are hardcore enough to try for top 10 or top 5 end season

you can still get gensui even with 8 - 9 lost matches

[elder crane]

8-9 might be pushing it

[shell heron]

Still very possible to touch AotN with 3-4 down. More than that is a little rough

[elder crane]

Maaaybe if you lost them right near start of season

[vagrant veldt]

the extreme I had was 10

with misses later in the season be more impactful

[elder crane]

I dropped literally 4/5 of the first set, but am not much behind right now

1916, 7/10, after dropping one more 2 days ago

[finite valve]

<i got gensui even with 8 lost

9 was somebody else in here

[split socket]

did it with 9 loss

[elder crane]

I missed gensui in like the, 4th season, I think, with 5 missed

but I missed the 5 right before the rush

[split socket]

also missing attacks early in season has a lot less impact than end of season

[versed atlas]

well

you can temporarily hit gensui

with like even 10 lost

[split socket]

a bit risky though

with 9 misses I barely hit gensui on one of the resets

although that was during the DST 3.0 (or w/e its called)

the bracket was harder to get into since more ppl were rushing than usual

[versed atlas]

i wish they got rid of the reset and sandbagging problem

[vagrant veldt]

designed to keep their players online counters

we don't even have to out wait people to touch top 10. just not missing a single pvp is enough

[livid fractal]

@shell heron @shy hazel I'm at 1/10. I already lost one game mid season and I was away for like a couple of days, so I didn't sandbag that much this season.

[shell heron]

I see a familiar name within 10 points of what my score would be at 5/10, I assume they are sandbagging as well.

[buoyant parrot]

I haven't lost a thing

[lament lichen]

kamita and famine are still up there with me

i barely can get a +1

[real notch]

Gurren

[lament lichen]

kamita has the same score as me last time i remember

famine is like 2 behind

[real notch]

Hes in my lobby but i cant ping him

[elder crane]

Damn, mahjong soul moves too fast to simul play with AL

At least to play one of the two well

[real notch]

@odd schooner

Gotcha

[shell heron]

Shit, I got Blazing in my lobby. I know that guy won't move til near next reset

[lament lichen]

waiting on paladin to move

[shell heron]

Paladin? I can never figure out when that guy moves.

[elder crane]

It's mahjong, PvP ranked

And you can invest in announcer/secretary

As a waifu collection/development game

It's.... a weird combo

F2P, pay to buy skins/comesetics/charas for low ranks so far

But at higher ranks, you gamba your currency

On the Mahjong games

[hollow dawn]

#off-topic

[elder crane]

Yeah, better there

[lament lichen]

supremancy is the worst

guy moves 3-4 rounds

then saves the last round for alot later

[elder crane]

It's fine if you start below him, I suppose

Still enough for that +35

[modern tree]

@hot creek what eq are you running? Your fleet barely scratched me in a mirror

[hot creek]

all HP gear

[modern tree]

Not paying off

[hot creek]

well, its more to screw foxes over

but ill put up a torp meme next time I guess

torp meme with Hood instead of Hiryuu

[modern tree]

I am running double oxy atm, it doesn't seem to do anything

[hot creek]

double oxy on who? belfast?

jintsuu?

think I might actually put up a nakaga defense

cause those are still scary to face if RNG doesn't go your way

well, not really though. Hiryuu will always clutch against anyways

[modern tree]

One on Belfast one on ykkz

[hot creek]

i don't bother with oxy's unless im going all out on torp

its pretty funny when it works though

[modern tree]

I feel like I win a lot more safely with this team if I go all in on vg hate, so I am running oxy, 406 on Amagi and the like

[hot creek]

hmmm Namagi Hood probably benefits from full stall VG more huh

[modern tree]

Hiryuu barely does anything as long as vg is around so naturally you want to get rid of it asap. Her final counter also does a lot more if it hits backliners clean

[shell heron]

Didn't notice I took a +9 match because reset was getting close. Didn't have time to RNG namaryuu matches.

[hot creek]

Sandy scores so low, i'd be lucky to even get a single +11 per interval.

[outer stump]

What tier is enty atm in pvp?

[shell heron]

Akaga is easy make. And easy to beat

[coral wren]

tbh I would recommend akaga for most casual pvpers

[hot creek]

I recommend Hood/Enty/Lusty for those types

[shell heron]

@outer stump t2 maybe. Idk pvp tiers atm, but enty is a little slow currently

[coral wren]

how do i make my hiryuu more tankier

she seems to get to low hp really easily

[shell heron]

I read somebody here uses a badge on her

[coral wren]

I am testing against a fellows namaryuu with different vg

he uses Belfast ayaya and jintsuu

and christ

the opening torps

takes like 40¤

40% off hiryuus hp

if they hit

and for some reason my vg dosnt like to go to bottom half

to soak the torps

[ionic magnet]

enty should still be t1

shes still the best solo CV

with hiryuu

[vague token]

think i slept through a match rip

w/e

[coral wren]

hmm

406 on amagi kills enemy VG

quite fast

😮

I am trying aurora jesus ykk

[loud otter]

whats pvp meta now?

[modern tree]

Play anything with Nagato Amagi

Actually, just use Nagato, Amagi, Juneau and Yukikaze. Fill the blanks with anything. Bonus points for getting 4 ijn for Amagi

[hot creek]

yeah those four are pretty mandatory it seems.

[modern tree]

We are also making a guide that will be pinned in this channel one day

[red nexus]

Also get an 3rd ijn backline, because nagato will buff her aviation dmg and/or accuracy significantly

Belfast is most of the time a solid pick for vanguard

[hot creek]

im sad that i retrofitted Hyuga

[vague token]

lol

[wicked rivet]

Retrofit hyuuga is the most useful hyuuga

[hot creek]

too bad she doesn't recieve Nagato buff.

[grave gale]

She does receive the fire power and accuracy buff

[wicked rivet]

Yuh

Does she not get the avi dmg buff?

I thought she did

[vague token]

nagato just buffs the carrier to do 20% more damage

if it worked on bbv

it'd boost their guns too

which would be neat but xD

xD

i think it's time to bring juneau out of retirement for me, gotta be ready

she must die

xD

[trim horizon]

Rn I can't test,I just noticed you were on my list

[lament lichen]

lol

but gensui farm is like 2 days at most though

[ionic magnet]

should change the time to 11d 12h

[lament lichen]

dont forget to add DST in there

[coral wren]

recommend some nasty defense fleet pls

[lament lichen]

#al-general

[shy hazel]

thats like part of sandbagging

[coral wren]

wth

why cant I name my ship

Z Roon

[odd schooner]

Ping me if someone here will have me on the list next reset, I'll full push before maintenance hits

[leaden jay]

I hate Hiryuu meta...

How is it even allowed for a ship

to become invincible

for 15 seconds

upon taking lethal damage

100% of the time

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[lament lichen]

@zenith tundra

[buoyant parrot]

good job Zack

[zenith tundra]

lol

[leaden jay]

Again, 3 of my backline vs 1 Hiyruu, loses

[zenith tundra]

ryuusei op i guess lol

[real notch]

LMAOO

zack

you're using ryuusei?

[leaden jay]

It wasn't the focus burst torp

[zenith tundra]

ofc

[real notch]

but we have test data showing ryuusei sucks compared to cuda

[leaden jay]

Yeah

I hate Hiyruu so damn much

guess I'll just join the meta and use her..

[vague token]

ryuusei will most likely be good when we get 120 and kai xD

cause more hp means you need more focus damage

[zenith tundra]

i use ryuusei for defense because she can snipe opponent baclines once she uses final counter

[lament lichen]

i use ryuusei for both def and offense

[leaden jay]

Seeing this makes me wanna die

wait, how do you use different gear for def and offense?

[real notch]

u don't lol

[leaden jay]

[zenith tundra]

i dont use hiryuu for offense. i prefer hyuuga for fun

[lament lichen]

you can swap before hand

[zenith tundra]

if i ever need something better i can just swap to hiryuu but my hyuuga doing just fine for now

[buoyant parrot]

I don't use Hiryuu on Offense

im on BB Kaga

[zenith tundra]

with hyuuga i just need to proc 2 amagi barrages and i should be fine

@leaden jay why didnt u reset?

[primal wing]

Is Nagato better than Amagi while using Kaga/Akagi?

[lament lichen]

you can just use both

[zenith tundra]

i think nagato is better just dont use full offense vg

juneau yukikaze aurora should be almost best vg for it

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/nh08g6

[primal wing]

I don’t want to switch equipment between them honestly. Just curious who I should stick with. I’m using Belfast/Jintsuu/Aurora.

[zenith tundra]

nakaga should be better then amakaga

i havent used any of those 2 in a while tho

[real notch]

nakaga should be better

20% more dmg op

[leaden jay]

I actually did reset once @zenith tundra when their Nagato proc'ed her ability twice in a row and mine didn't do it once, the second attempt was close but the enemy Hiryuu still had quite a lot of time before her ability times out so I just gave up and let them win cuz I feel like it wouldn't be possible to beat that lineup with what I've currently got