pvp

[real notch]

yea i'm surprised it took us this long to make one

but with everyone's help we got this far in like... 8 hours lol

pretty impressive ngl

[shy hazel]

dont forget the footnote

if in doubt, join stellas guild (aotn ppl only allowed)

[odd schooner]

Lmao

[lime rivet]

Y'all wanna include upcoming EN ships too?

[odd schooner]

Not yet

[loud otter]

is belfast any good in pvp

[zenith tundra]

i would prefer to stick to what we can test tbh

[real notch]

probably not until we get some test data in

we can add some notes for them though

just not tier them yet

[trim horizon]

how far are we till we get ws kai ?

[real notch]

@loud otter yes

[odd schooner]

I wouldn't bet all my cards on warloli

[dry socket]

I would suggest a few months, considering Warspite got her kai only recently

[buoyant parrot]

alright done editing text and border lines and fixing small stuffs

gotta go back sandbagging

[dry socket]

landed a rank 65 in my pile

[odd schooner]

Ether be like
Rage quit two weeks ago and is now making pvp list with others

[dry socket]

not sure if to push or hold

[odd schooner]

[buoyant parrot]

lol

damn oversleep

[odd schooner]

You missed?

[buoyant parrot]

well right now I don't have the luxury to sleep... Programming shit is stock piled..

No i didn't miss

wait until mid season

ask me again if I miss

[odd schooner]

I'm on weird pvp list where my left is leo and is on negative points

[buoyant parrot]

by the way need 2 More members in our guild... If anyone here from Avrora interested to join try hards by all means you are most welcome 😂

[zenith tundra]

2hrs after reset no one moved yet

[dry socket]

I scored gold this time with all these rushers

[odd schooner]

[dry socket]

[real notch]

how

lol

[buoyant parrot]

I've scored yesterday 3 +28

this season is sooo wierd

[zenith tundra]

anyone at 9/10?

[buoyant parrot]

I am

[zenith tundra]

on avrora

what rank are u?

[buoyant parrot]

2142

[zenith tundra]

at least someone moved a bit but still

[lament lichen]

dude icytale

moves like an hour before reset

[real notch]

i got some points off edwardzo yesterday

[zenith tundra]

[real notch]

xd

[buoyant parrot]

I'm starting to feel the impact of not having enough SG Radars... I have 6 but need moar...

[zenith tundra]

shells will make it easier

[buoyant parrot]

please core reset~

[real notch]

alright, just added in wasde section... lemme know if i missed any viable VGs

also thx etherst for formatting updates...

@modern tree btw do u wanna help work on tiering HMS fleets in meta?

i'll start working on another section with "notable mentions"...

[maiden agate]

Isnt Belfast 3.5k HP?

[real notch]

thx @maiden agate

updated

btw i thought we agreed on "namababa"

[maiden agate]

[zenith tundra]

i like the descriptions on vgs but could we add some for main fleet comps too?

[buoyant parrot]

woops, thanks for thr correction

[dry socket]

Namabaga sounds better, to be honest

[real notch]

i was joking

[dry socket]

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

wait no please don't make it namababa

[buoyant parrot]

then Namabaga it is

[real notch]

yea, i was thinking about that

to explain the mainfleet somewhere

a quick explanation, like 2 sentences

[buoyant parrot]

I was tha one who named it Namabaga I thought that what's we talked about last night but I recall the comical namabababa

[zenith tundra]

how about u move the pic a bit up and write the description under them

[odd schooner]

Namababa

[real notch]

ok sure i'll do that

[buoyant parrot]

Hey what happen to the WASDA Notification

my explnataion there was changed to something

oh everything got moved

explanation got moved to wrong cells

oh wait its fix now

[real notch]

i didn't touch wasda, but i added 1 extra VG option containing ayanami for nakaga

i edited some of my other VGs from yesterday, and added in WASDE

i'm laying out the ship analysis tab now, gonna try to explain individual ships

@zenith tundra btw feel free to write descriptions for the mainfleets, i just put in what was on my mind

[zenith tundra]

ok

[buoyant parrot]

wait

[coral wren]

dosnt Banamagi sounds better?

[buoyant parrot]

somebody just copied my Explanation of Belfat/Juneaue/Jintsu to the same VG Line Up in WASDE

that doesn't apply there, explanation need to support Enterprise as well

[real notch]

oh, my bad i forgot to update the explanation

[buoyant parrot]

lol~

[real notch]

i'll just rewrite it i suppose

[finite valve]

@real notch can i have a link for that page?

[dry socket]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing

@finite valve

[finite valve]

[real notch]

ok done @buoyant parrot

ok done mainfleet descriptions... lemme know if u are changing any of them @zenith tundra

[buoyant parrot]

could someone fix the (HMS) WS note... Can't seem to have the 1st sentence showed on the text box. Also feel free to add something or correct the grammar thing there. Thanks

[real notch]

hey i just thought of an interesting idea

for the ship analysis, why don't we each give our opinions on a ship we'd like to talk about, and then quote it

that way we have like 3-4 opinions of 1 ship

[buoyant parrot]

Add links to it instead

don't put all our explanation on the TIER List it will look like a wall of text

[zenith tundra]

ill look at them when i wake up time to sleep

[buoyant parrot]

Instead Lets put link referencing the opinion of player

[dry socket]

Multiple quotes supply food for thought

[buoyant parrot]

Tier listing is starting to look solid

[dry socket]

but so do concise summaries

[buoyant parrot]

good work everyone

[dry socket]

I would definitely prefer a clean summary over a few experts' quotes for clarity

[buoyant parrot]

will take note of that

[finite valve]

i would say add a foot note to nakaga or namaryuu to use sirius jesus and ykk for extra safety net against mirror front + wasd in def

since just nuking their front won't sometimes insure a victory if they have stall front

[real notch]

ok what do u guys think about this format @zenith tundra @buoyant parrot

just a random idea, lemme know what u think

[vague token]

that looks pretty good

[real notch]

i just quoted u guys for examples sake but yea... like different ratings for a ship

for nagato it should be pretty consistent but i think this method might be better once we talk about more tier-vague ships like kaga bb, sirius, etc.

[buoyant parrot]

oh yeah that format looks fine

we should start getting people opinion in the future but yeah format looks okay

[vague token]

are you going to rate builds

or comps

and individuals?

/wasnt entirely paying attention

[real notch]

uhh just ships

and the comps they fit in

builds are discussed in Equip tab

[buoyant parrot]

as far as rating Builds is... Tier listing covers that. While individual comments is under talk right now for like a hyperlink for individual comments about it

[vague token]

ok

cool

[hot creek]

"10/10 IJN bias, I need say no more" -phoenixF

[buoyant parrot]

^ LOL

[real notch]

oik

[hot creek]

don't actually add that

[real notch]

i'm taking in serious points to add on nagato rn

i'll delete the zack/etherst quote since they didn't actually say that

[maiden agate]

Add that IJN bias part

Who is even surprised at this point

[buoyant parrot]

yes please

a lot of people will fill that up so as long we have the format ready. Its good :D

[dry socket]

Nagato is very flexible with her main gun choices, which may be something to consider

[charred sable]

"Amagi has big fluffy tail. 10/10, top tier IJN" ~Keripo 2019

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[dry socket]

barrages, salvo damage, or a balance—she can do all three separately but is very capable of doing each of them

[charred sable]

Honestly though Nagato is so versatile that I'm planning on raising two of her for PvE

[dry socket]

which opens up choices for newbies to pvp, the audience you're trying to appeal to

[finite valve]

implying newbie going to sand bag by resetting apps each 30 min

good luck with that

[buoyant parrot]

can't afford to waste too much chips now... 1.6K per Lv120

we're getting the PR's and along the way other ships as well essential for PvP

[dry socket]

Nagato is very flexible when it comes to her main gun slot, being capable of using the barrage, damage, and a hybrid of the two effectively. However, with a lack of aa, she's not as capable of shooting down enemy planes, and aviation oil tanks commonly found in PvP only make everything more difficult

[vague token]

Alternatively, equip 1 air radar.

[finite valve]

i think the better quote is to let the player choose on what job they want their nagato to do

either barrage job or dps job

[dry socket]

Even with an air radar, her aa still sits with her at the bottom of Bikini Atoll

[vague token]

i mean +70 is a huge boost

relative to her base

[shy hazel]

biggest boost to nagato aa

is sirius

[vague token]

xD

you mean juneau ;)

[lament lichen]

Nah boost AA with akashi

[finite valve]

not using best AA ship in the game AKA NUMBA WAN

[buoyant parrot]

will get into that once Idiot Kai comes out

[real notch]

oh, also i wanna get some credits rolled out for people who worked on the guide

who worked on the guide so far?

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

@blazing scroll

Helped me with the image importing last night

and I believe @balmy torrent going to make an HTML ver of the guide

no feed back on that yet

[ionic magnet]

im surprised there's still no amakaga there

[buoyant parrot]

brb need to bath Doggo

@ionic magnet omg now that you mentioned it

[ionic magnet]

but i'll add my inputs until after this season

[buoyant parrot]

@real notch we haven't added Amakaga yet lol

I'll add later if Sirr won't be able to. But for now need to bath the moon moon

[real notch]

yea i noticed that lol

i was considering whether we put them as tier 1 or 0

[buoyant parrot]

well they where T0 prior to ISS

but now, I don't know... Will have to do discussions here along with the people who still uses them currently

but yeah Amakaga should be in the tier list obviously

[real notch]

ok credits added in for now

please ping me if we missed anyone for credits

[finite valve]

amakaga too unreliable as top tier since both baga and nagato are too well "unreliable"

one is 40 and the other 50

[buoyant parrot]

well currently they are now

but in before ISS they are the quick ticket for fast win

unfortunately THEY SUCK very much at Defense

not good in stalling

[real notch]

btw what part did you contribute @shy hazel

[finite valve]

a barrage boat that can't proc their barrage is as good as dead unless they got some OP buff to fall back to

[leaden sequoia]

after reading that guide I was under impression that Amakaga got totally banished with Nagato around

and for that reason the comp got banished from the guide as well

[finite valve]

if you really want to use 3 BB comp just use PR tbh

or wasd

no need to handicap yourself with baga

[buoyant parrot]

@leaden sequoia lol... don't worry Amakaga is still somewhat relevant for those who don't have Nagato

[shy hazel]

i need a new tab for my sandbagging guide

[buoyant parrot]

NO

we ain't adding sandbagging guide

[leaden sequoia]

lol

[buoyant parrot]

that's too spoon feeding for Plebians

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[lament lichen]

sandbagging guide ey

[finite valve]

implying newbie are going to reset app every 30 min

[lament lichen]

every 30 mins

scrub

[leaden sequoia]

is that something that requires a rite of passage

[lament lichen]

every 30 secs

[finite valve]

bro there is a reason why there are hardcore and noob

just cus they know how to sand bag does not mean they going to suddenly become sandbag god

[leaden sequoia]

welp

I'm noob then

[buoyant parrot]

we can't just give tactics on PvP... Besides basic of it is on Wiki already. Plus we work hard and learnt it the hardway

why teach this scumbags how we do it eh?

[finite valve]

still does not change my point

[real notch]

[leaden sequoia]

... to have an actually sizable pool of people to go against with?

[real notch]

i just tell everyone everything i learn lol

i am trying to educate the community so they have more fun in AL

[leaden sequoia]

Sandy people here complain they don't have anyone decent to fight against

and Wash...

well you know already

[buoyant parrot]

besides if you look at it we are already making PvP hard for us by teaching the Noobs the right composition... Well not that it bothers the hardcooor players here

[shy hazel]

my guide is graphics heavily

because words cant reach idiots

[real notch]

like if i find some groundbreaking data on AA or a fleetcomp, i just tell everyone kek

am i too nice

[finite valve]

meh just follow JP meta = gg

[blazing scroll]

So just use warsprite kai

[buoyant parrot]

can't completelyu apply JP meta if gears is not here yet

we had to slightly adjust to what we have

[shy hazel]

jp meta doesnt apply to en

[ionic magnet]

the guide in wiki is so bad i want to make one tbh

[shy hazel]

at least not the whole of it

[finite valve]

not like there are much diff in gear anyway

[shy hazel]

there are

[finite valve]

aside from PR stuff and shell?

[buoyant parrot]

there are

[shy hazel]

what u smoking

[leaden sequoia]

dew it

[lament lichen]

amagi

[finite valve]

i know about the PR gear

but that about it tbh

slow planes PR guns and shell

not really a problem

[shy hazel]

pr gear is big shit than what u think though

lol

like

[blazing scroll]

The gear is way better

[finite valve]

rudder is shit?

[shy hazel]

bbv is way shittier without xx plane

[blazing scroll]

Look at the pr wheel

Even has a skill

[shy hazel]

and sangbagging isnt meta in jp

[finite valve]

well yeh cus JP give 0 fuck about pvp

been there done that

[shy hazel]

and en gives a fuck apparently

[leaden sequoia]

but there are so many JP servers out there

there has to be one with hardcore PvP players

... right?

[finite valve]

EN = my dick are bigger then yours everywhere they go

true story

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

don't think so

you can try asking about top 1 in JP

but i doubt you going to find any 2.6k+

[shy hazel]

why we talking about jp pvp in en channel again

[finite valve]

still pvp so why not lel

[real notch]

those two don't seem related i think

i care about PVP, but i don't sandbag enough to hit 2.6k

i still theorycraft and spend time in AL PVP

[shy hazel]

rip rank 1

[finite valve]

playing any game on phone

[ionic magnet]

stop using tier F

[real notch]

also JP pvp is where a lot of EN theorycrafting comes from

[shy hazel]

hey

[real notch]

so there are definitely JP PVP fanatics

[finite valve]

you can still get aotn even with 5 lost

[shy hazel]

im playing this game using phone only

[finite valve]

i believe i did get aotn even with 8 lost once

[ionic magnet]

i actually killed a test subject and got -1 so rip me too

[finite valve]

so it is doable

[buoyant parrot]

Added Amakaga on the Tier list no VG Comp yet. I believe Zack knows that. He's been an Amakaga Fan for the longest AFAIK

[lament lichen]

you still can get it with 9 missed attempts lol

[leaden sequoia]

it's just easier to import knowledge from other servers who have been battletesting the mechanics for a whole year already

[real notch]

me too

i've been a fox fan since september lol

[ionic magnet]

amakaga fanbois o/

[finite valve]

use baga for 1 season then shelf her for the rest of time once PR ws bunnies kai comes

LMFAO

[ionic magnet]

amakaga is easy

[real notch]

traditionally amakaga fleets are like

[ionic magnet]

beats anything reliably not named wasda

[buoyant parrot]

good good

[left onyx]

or another amakaga

[buoyant parrot]

contribute VG Line up here "meta" shit

[real notch]

aurora, aya, jintsuu
aurora, jintsuu, belfast
aya, belfast, aurora
jintsuu, aurora, sendai

[finite valve]

i can still beat wasd using sirius instead of belfap

[ionic magnet]

thats most likely not a maxed wasda then

well its 50% wr on average so

[leaden sequoia]

Amakaga's most useful utility is to speedrun attempts right now imo

[real notch]

well what's the importance of "beat" anyways amirite

[buoyant parrot]

you are actually right

[real notch]

if we tier ships we always look to aggregate results

[finite valve]

yeh gl with everyone and their mother using stall comp lel

[real notch]

not a marginal case and apply that to the general population

so saying i beat a wasd once is not as useful as saying i beat a wasd 9 times out of 10

[finite valve]

YKK alone is already stall enough

put jesus in the mix you got 1 min fight everytime

[real notch]

the latter is good enough data to consider in tiering the comp

[buoyant parrot]

you had to back your claims with at least some DATA

[shy hazel]

wasda ykkz jun bel fleets were very good stallers last season

[buoyant parrot]

and your data being verified with other people here solidifies it

[shy hazel]

but now according to zack

dunno

[vague token]

wouldnt hiryuu something be a better stall

[real notch]

belfast juneau YKKZ is still the best stall VG

[vague token]

wasd/hiryuu for max troll

xD

[real notch]

as long as foxes are meta that fleet will reign

[finite valve]

it is actually YKK + jesus + random

[shy hazel]

nah

[real notch]

or until we get PR

[finite valve]

the reason why ppl use belfap is cus of fox

[shy hazel]

wasdryuu is ez to beat

cos no amagi debuff

lol

[finite valve]

w/o foxes you can just use any tank

[buoyant parrot]

once PR comes and became useful in 2-3months EN Tierl list will go out of wack spiral abyss...

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

it will be closer to what jp cn have

not rly whack

lol

[ionic magnet]

thats fine so we have something to discuss xD

[leaden sequoia]

closer to what current jp cn have

[finite valve]

monarch QE hood / doy as another comp

[leaden sequoia]

2nd PR batch eyy

[shy hazel]

but jp cn changing meta again with pr2

[real notch]

i think belfast juneau YKKZ is maybe even the best VG in general

[shy hazel]

lul

[real notch]

maybe swap in an aurora for fox fleets

[finite valve]

VG is just the usual shit

not really much diff

[shy hazel]

hey st louis

[finite valve]

louis / nep are better tank

belfap only good vs foxes comp in general

[shy hazel]

although

en doesnt have 120 yet

[finite valve]

as a tank there are better choice

[shy hazel]

so no one is sure

[real notch]

also zack is testing nakaga so i think i'm gonna start testing namaryuu now

[shy hazel]

ca stays irrelevant till 120

[real notch]

since before it was vice versa, i was testing nakaga he was testing namaryuu

though we need more people other than me n zack testing new fleets

[vague token]

im happy with my sheffield/minne performance

[shy hazel]

kiro we dont want casuals here

[ionic magnet]

im testing hms and amakaga

[vague token]

yea ok

[shy hazel]

just kidding

[ionic magnet]

but cant find any good opponents

[buoyant parrot]

please always take note to DING people here if they are in your match list should you wish to verify or test your line up we will gladly help for the sake of re search purposes of course.

[vague token]

ill go to my room now

my room with namagi/sara

sheffield/minne/ykk

ALLIANCE

[shy hazel]

kiro

[vague token]

sup

[shy hazel]

ur missing kms unit

[vague token]

look

kms is just

so bad

[real notch]

where's the one true waifu inazuma?

[vague token]

=/

i would use roon

but she's scary

so frenchy saint louis instead

[cerulean estuary]

havent contribute yet , my nagaloli is still low aff and lvl

too many priorities this month

[finite valve]

roon take too long to ram up

in pvp it is a death sentence

[shy hazel]

ill edit later

busy

my dank contributions

sandbag guide

,if everyone sandbags, no one is

will be the quote of the year

[vague token]

xD

[cerulean estuary]

almost 1:30 hr till reset , still havent got any pushers on my list

[finite valve]

i don't see any problem with that personally

[cerulean estuary]

sad life

[real notch]

think about it, if everyone sandbags then noone will sandbag

theoretically speaking

[finite valve]

ppl already starting to realize how to do pvp with all of these stupid DST BS lel

[shy hazel]

i alrdy got top 5 in avrora anyways

can die happy

[finite valve]

a hardcore try hard that can't get top 1 end of season

meh get gud lel

[shy hazel]

welcome to avrora

where only two ppl in a whole year

[real notch]

there is always someone that sandbags harder than you

[shy hazel]

get to be top 1

oh wait 8 months

its just famine and kamita

[leaden sequoia]

are they bots lol

[shy hazel]

past 15 seasons its just two of then

[cerulean estuary]

if u see famine and kamita in ur left most list

wait for the last 8 or 5 mins for them to push 😃

[shy hazel]

even in dst bugged seasons

if u can top 1 them ill worship u

[finite valve]

trying to beat a no lifer in a mobie game

meh

i have a life

[cerulean estuary]

i already raised my white flag on those "two"

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

ain't interest in beating no lifer

[lament lichen]

wait i beat kamita last season

[shy hazel]

dont worry im at work right now

[cerulean estuary]

u can only beat them if they messed up or missed a match

[shy hazel]

when u work in a bank and its allowed to play mobile games

[blazing scroll]

When you still go to college

[shy hazel]

u dont need to have a life to hardcore

[real notch]

I only got r1 once kek

[finite valve]

when you go to college with extra income to whale

2.3k

[real notch]

and never again

[finite valve]

meh

[shy hazel]

what server is that

👀

[blazing scroll]

Sandy

If I am correct

[real notch]

you mean my ss? avrora

i think that was back in early december

[vague token]

o.o

[shy hazel]

early avrora

[vague token]

things were different back then

[real notch]

yeee lemme see if i can get an some funny screenshots of pvp

[blazing scroll]

I remember that I used hms + enty before fallen wings

[shy hazel]

i mean wash wasnt in that time

[odd schooner]

It was the trend

[finite valve]

i remember first season of pvp where my enty take around 1 min to fucking unload her planes

good times lel

[odd schooner]

Cause warloli doesn't do heck before

[cerulean estuary]

one of my funny / odd experience in pvp is

HITTING / KILLING 2 birds at 1 stone

[shy hazel]

when u have a tie and u automatically lose

cos tie is losing

[finite valve]

tie is always a lose IRL or virtual

[odd schooner]

HMS during first season until before fw

[real notch]

Build page back in august 23 2018

[odd schooner]

Shifted to hms + enty when met some big walls before like jay9tv

[shy hazel]

hey no true

[cerulean estuary]

HMS gonna shine again once , WS kai appears , dont worry

[shy hazel]

not when your splitting the bill

[finite valve]

[real notch]

Top 100 pvp shikikan levels in september

[odd schooner]

Let me dig some ss too

If i haven't deleted yet

[shy hazel]

look at those secretary ships

now its all nagato or ijn

[odd schooner]

Lmao @cerulean estuary

[real notch]

kek

whoa you name changed?

[vague token]

[odd schooner]

Season 1

[real notch]

damnn look it's jay

[odd schooner]

Ye didn't know we can use space

[cerulean estuary]

@odd schooner throwback haha

[real notch]

omg

did u guys know my first ever roll in heavy build EVER was a hood

[odd schooner]

I think i salted my friend with it and he stopped midway September

Lmao

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

some vids i left as well

[real notch]

damn

u HMS player

[vague token]

[blazing scroll]

Wasn't everyone one

[real notch]

i was a loyal fox player

[vague token]

i didnt really start pvp until after fw

[blazing scroll]

Fox + enty?

[vague token]

so i went straight to wasd/e

[real notch]

naw, it was hood + foxes

[odd schooner]

Before FW final fleet iirc

[blazing scroll]

That was there too yeah

Yup same @odd schooner

[real notch]

no warspite? interesting

[odd schooner]

She misses a lot before

Like

[blazing scroll]

Warsprite is just bad

[real notch]

damn look at those gems

[odd schooner]

Jay9tv forced me to enterprise

[blazing scroll]

Enty gives result

[real notch]

warspite countered foxes back then

[blazing scroll]

You could try to snipe one yes

[real notch]

a fox would be dead in 30 secs

so HMS was actually tier 0 and foxes were t1 as a result

[blazing scroll]

But with enty their vanguard was easily wiped

[real notch]

jay was active i think until end of FW

[leaden sequoia]

even with Fortune?

[real notch]

he was one of the few with perfect wasde

[dry socket]

An intentionally bad reload Enty can counter Warspite if positioned properly on offense

[real notch]

yea even with fortune

but back then, not many people caught onto fortune

there was no #pvp channel or even discussion

[leaden sequoia]

ohh

I mean, there was

in #gameplay-help

[odd schooner]

I think they had the upper hand on earlier days cause people assumed they reset shop and bought all t4 box via gem'd gold

[real notch]

LOL

[odd schooner]

And when ppl caught up. They disappeared (?)

[real notch]

back then if you had hood, illustrious enty

[odd schooner]

Or rename

Idk

[real notch]

you were considered "rich"

lol

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[solid plinth]

how do i optimize my belfast and prinz

[real notch]

i remember looking at top 100 fleets with hood lusty enty

[dry socket]

why optimize Prinz

[real notch]

and i was like damn, lucky bastards

[solid plinth]

im determined to use wifeysd

[real notch]

stack EVA i guess @solid plinth

she will have a hard time against meta fleets

[solid plinth]

thats ok i dont need to climb too high

[dry socket]

Yorktown was somewhat popular back in September as well

carrier trap, perhaps

[leaden sequoia]

she has a zombie skill which helped carry your ass in case you weren't lucky enough

I suspect not many people back then had Enty to counter that

hell, even I used Yorktown back when I was a lowbie

and got to 1k-2k ranks

but you could say that's Wash so it doesn't really count

[dry socket]

Lusty was immediately grabbed on the Lexington server for she was on the medal shop for days

[vague token]

oh god ykk just ignored radar boosted owari da

lol

she's so amazing xD

[dry socket]

Even some understanding of the ships and mechanics assisted with how well you would do

[modern tree]

Man, I get a better job and then hashtag pvp decides to become a serious sindicate

[real notch]

the losers better scram! wa ha ha

[modern tree]

I can tier hms for you if you think that SANDY results are worth much. Not this season tho. I am pretty sure I am one of like 3 people that has lvl 110 Nagato, others being cyaneko and phoenix

[lime rivet]

HMS is a wash on Avrora

It just can't take on amakaga at this point (until monarch and wskai really get into steam)

[blazing scroll]

My Nagato is almost 110

[modern tree]

Get good lool

[lime rivet]

I have a full married HMS fleet

The time it takes to resolve battles just ain't worth it

[modern tree]

HMS smashes Amakaga with like 70% winrate at the very least

Within like 45 seconds

[real notch]

yea, sandy results are worth it

have you taken a look at the tierlist so far?

you can either make the description, VG options, and send them to me

or with your e-mail, i can send u an invite to edit it yourself

[buoyant parrot]

oh finally HMS expert is here

[real notch]

it's up to you

[vague token]

lol

[buoyant parrot]

Daxam contribute on HMS plox

[real notch]

lmk, i'm gonna run to the gym

give the backline lineup, maybe like 2-4 VG options

and then a description of the VG

[modern tree]

I will take a peek at what you guys have and make something in the format in about 10 hours when I have time. Currently I am fucking bogged

[vague token]

=/

[modern tree]

Don't even have time to backread this chat and take notes on who's talking shit about non kai Warspite

[shy hazel]

hey

my nagato is alrdy 110

[modern tree]

Ur wrong btw, whoever you are

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

[trail elm]

lots of people are talking shit about warspite non retro.

is any of that data in the pinned fighters pic about bomb spread?

[vague token]

she does need glasses though ;)

[real notch]

Bomb spread? Like individual spread or aggregate spread

[trail elm]

the latter, i think

i've been wanting to see how spread out or how clustered some dive bombers chuck their bombs

[real notch]

Aggregate is rng i think

Theres not much known on plane bomb dispersement, or even plane swarm dispersement

Its RNG as far as I know

even after all the research i spend on planes its still unknown

[buoyant parrot]

@modern tree HMS section in the tier list is all yours >_<

[odd schooner]

The only concern with Warspite before was there's a lack of Gold SG Radars and her dps wasn't strong enough to crumble big fat walls like jay9tv before. Never really tested her out past FW where there's an equipment spike

[modern tree]

Jay9 is a guy who runs sg radars on Aurora cuz evasion man, I am definitely not flexing fleet power

I am pretty sure Warspite gets shit because people see clips of her sinking Enterprise with one barrage, then they try that, see both projectiles miss and go "I have been tricked"

[blazing scroll]

When using BBs it's something you should always take in account

[vague token]

lol

[modern tree]

Fortunately now that we have decent gear for Hood, all Warspite has to do is just pressure the backline with her barrage which is just a pure extra over her obnoxious gun damage

[leaden sequoia]

wasn't her sinking Enty in 2 shots a retrofit feature and people were bashing her even before that?

[charred sable]

I also run SG radars on my backline

Adding extra damage is pointless if you can't hit

People underestimate the importance of accuracy and evasion

[modern tree]

She's probably still worse than doy if you like gambling

[blazing scroll]

And with monarch coming up

[modern tree]

I did say SG on Aurora specifically

Nothing but radars on backline is optimal

[vague token]

i swapped to radar/beaver minne

since i switched to sheffield

[charred sable]

I'm not convinced about beaver for backline

Radar also increases your hit

And hit scales differently from evasion

Would have to do the math, but I'd rather take a combo of both than the pure evasion, especially given that you need your backline to help clear their front

[modern tree]

I like beaver on backline in the previous meta because tanking Amagi barrage multiple times per game is pretty common. Not sure how much difference it will make vs Nagato

[charred sable]

I'd assume with Nagato boosting damage, you're looking at on average 2 rounds before the match is "decided"?

on an unrelated note, please tell me Im not the only one maxing out Hiryuu's yellow skill just for the sake of maxing it out?

[vague token]

it's still level 1 for me

[lime rivet]

Shrug.jpg.

[vague token]

and i had 110 oathed hiryuu before we were ever close to nagato lol

[lament lichen]

mines been maxed since they had retros in jp

[lime rivet]

I might want to run bunny pair some day in the future, but leveling it is on the backburner for me

[shy hazel]

plebs

ny hiryuu is lvl 95

[charred sable]

if you keep her skill as lvl 1 though, she'll always appear on your list of ships when you pick what ship to train

[odd schooner]

No no.
It was September/october era. the time everyone was still using purple stuff like purple fcr/belgun/152mm american aux heck purple barracuda for planes while jay had like full gold/+10 bis stuff

Welp, that's a thing from the past now anyway.

FW got equipment spike due to sirens and free t4 boxes

[blazing scroll]

My Hiryuu is lvl86

[charred sable]

I gave up on farming equipment after I saw how gold boxes just dropped like candy on JP

[odd schooner]

I guess it's my fault for not checking back my hms around December where I completed my backline stuff

[charred sable]

trying to farm that second sakura torpedo gold plane during the first IJN event, and then getting it pretty much for free the second time around

[odd schooner]

Oh ye ryuusei

It was fun tho

Backline burning spree

[charred sable]

same with gold quad Ironblood torpedoes

[odd schooner]

[charred sable]

gold the rainbow one + gold quad from exchange shop, then just yesterday got my second gold quad from an Iron box

even though I have like 12/15 blueprints or something like that from farming like hell

and now any 3rd gold quad I get will be useless

[blazing scroll]

Welp, I got like 8 gold quads

But I saved my iron boxes since the beginning

[charred sable]

I saved all of mine as well but only got 1 gold quint

so have been using that til yesterday

[odd schooner]

I got betrayed by gold quints

[charred sable]

just marginally worse

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

need more gold quads =/

[blazing scroll]

I got one gold quint which I use for mogami

[charred sable]

whens the next event which'll give rainbow quints?

[blazing scroll]

I guess when we get a rerun of opposite colors

[modern tree]

Also, just for the record since I just experienced that 2 times in a row. Hiryuu always wins vs Enterprise 1v1 because her cloak runs out before her bomb hit the bunny and final counter planes fly all the way back at her

Doesn't matter how unlucky you get it seems

[leaden sequoia]

15s vs 8s

so you have 7s window if they overlap fully

and even more if they don't

[modern tree]

I mean, hiryuu would just lose to idle fighters if her skill was any shorter, but it isn't. Enterprise doesn't have enough time to become invulnerable again after "sinking" hiryuu

The extra strike always hits and have yet to see Enterprise survive it

[elder crane]

Yep, only time that fails is if someone else procs Hiryuu at the specific time

Which is very unlikely

[real notch]

Jay had cutting edge fleet until around end of FW

I think he quit lol

Its a shame, he gave some good ideas back then

And the og hms player suzuteo

He was such a fan of HMS he wrote an entire guide on it

[lime rivet]

Oh man, i remember suzuteo

[odd schooner]

Ye i think jay9 is a different person

@dusk bridge you're not jay9tv right

[real notch]

No he is

Lol

The madman who ran laffey with wasde

[vague token]

i got a +4 =D

[halcyon hill]

So even without her retrofit, Hiryuu is super strong right now due to Nagato's buffs?

[real notch]

yep @halcyon hill

or rather not that hiryuu is super strong

but nagato + amagi is super strong

hiryuu prekai is O K

[halcyon hill]

Okay thanks

[vague token]

hiryuu was more of a fox counter

i dunno how she'll be against namagi

[modern tree]

Hiryuu is doing well right now cuz shes sufficient against most comps and great vs foxes, which most people run right now still

[shy hazel]

what are your scores

at 10/10

[real notch]

529

[hot creek]

535

[shy hazel]

i think i may have not lost a charge afterall

[real notch]

i may have lost a charge

i fukin suck at sandbagging

i never get lucky

:NeverLucky:

[vague token]

i was at 524 at 10/10

[real notch]

:BabyRage:

[shy hazel]

538

[halcyon hill]

Im at 529 at 5/10

[vague token]

but i did 1 and got 19

[halcyon hill]

I've no patience for sandbagging

[vague token]

so now im 543 9/10

[shy hazel]

yup i guess i didnt lose a charge

[real notch]

angeryy

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

i sleep earlier as usual so i tot i lost a charge

but then i faintly remember i switch team

so i guess i didnt lose any

[real notch]

guess i'm gonna read that sandbagging guide stella makes

[shy hazel]

i think my mind is like programmed now

low scores = lost charge

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

how much sakura amulets u guys gotr

[shy hazel]

27k

i missed doing normals last reset

shame

[vague token]

18k

[shy hazel]

normals give like what

800

ish

[real notch]

29k

[shy hazel]

i just realized

they alrdy gave out date for prs

april 26

[real notch]

yep

[shy hazel]

still got alot of time to announce pr2 ships

[real notch]

they talkin it about it 24/7 in #gameplay-help

don't forget to stockpile oil guys

[hot creek]

23k. will stop at 30k for chips , might even be too lazy for chips

[shy hazel]

i need to grind for hiryuu still

so lol

whats the fastest map to grind solo hiryuu anyways

7-2?

[hot creek]

8-1 is p good.

[real notch]

actually in D2 there's little to no dmg on hiryuu if u put her top

so i just farmed her there with nagato

[halcyon hill]

Im going for Roon first so i can finish up Hiryuu and Nagato without feeling like im losing out on exp

[shy hazel]

[hot creek]

but i would only recommend 8-1 if you still need to farm inazuma

or whoevers there

[shy hazel]

i got all ships except w11

[hot creek]

ive trained multiple ships to 110 there and she still hasnt drop

[real notch]

same story for me but niizuki

[shy hazel]

got niizuki in subs map

[real notch]

the PVE ship drop rates are abysmal

[halcyon hill]

7-3 was super slow for me

[shy hazel]

now i never do subs map

lol

[real notch]

wtf stella

[shy hazel]

forever 8

[real notch]

seriously

[halcyon hill]

Must've done 200 clears until it dropped

[shy hazel]

sub s map has way higher chnce

than normal ones

[lament lichen]

havent done subs since i got it maxed out

[hot creek]

yeah ive been ignoring sub maps cause i need to save fuel for PR

[shy hazel]

ifvucmean niizuki

i mean i stilo havent rolled a single sub in special

even with daily 3 rolls

i think i wont roll special again until tony ship is chucked in

[real notch]

centaur?

[blazing scroll]

I got one sub through special but it was the one you get for free

[hot creek]

i've been rolling special for my daily build and havent gotten anythign yet feelsbadman

but then again no need

it would only take up ship slot

[blazing scroll]

Just expand

[hot creek]

and im low on those. still contemplating if i should just scrap all these lvl 1 collector ships i know ill never use

[shy hazel]

yup

[real notch]

i'm at 160 dock space and it's pretty suffocating

[shy hazel]

im at 320 and im still pissed everytime its full

lol

[blazing scroll]

I am at 450

[real notch]

u whales

[blazing scroll]

Only got 50ish places for fodder

[lament lichen]

only at 310 with 15 gold bulins

[shy hazel]

i only buy 20 slots per event

[blazing scroll]

I buy whenever I have less than 20ish fodder places

[halcyon hill]

Having less than 10 for fodder is hell

Cant even do a max construction without the game complaining

[real notch]

i have 40 fodder spaces

with 160

i just retire all my event ships kek

[charred sable]

[real notch]

[coral wren]

if they ever introduce gifting function

oh boy

the amount of sandies that will be in the mails

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DfVqu/89aacb130c.png PogChamp

[blazing scroll]

Hiryuu not oathed tho smh

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DfVqc/3b2403c829.png nakaga not doing so hot

[modern tree]

Looks like you are losing to hiryuu here

[hot creek]

definitley

[real notch]

OWO

poggers

ok that's it

i'm switching to namaryuu

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DfVxX/ca211dc734.png junuea pls

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[ionic magnet]

hows winrate

0%?

[real notch]

are your foxes 200 aff?

[hot creek]

no lul. not even oathed

[real notch]

btw do u wanna reset test for me

just play 10 games

i wanna get some test data

[hot creek]

nagatos skill aren't maxed either so ehhhh

but winrate so far has been pretty abysmal.

[real notch]

it's fine, his shouldn't be either

[blazing scroll]

But foxes not max affinity is quite a difference no?

[real notch]

it is, but against mirror

if it's not mirror it's not as significant

[ionic magnet]

^

you wont suddenly get a +50% winrate just because you oathed your ships

[blazing scroll]

I know, but you still miss out on something

[hot creek]

im gonna try a more defensive VG

[real notch]

yea, you miss out on 3% stats

but if his ships are 110 with BiS +10 gear, it's good enough for testing

ok sure @hot creek

just lemme know your test results

pls

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DfVCn/2c24440e5f.png I think i won this? Hiryuu's invincibility already procc'd awhile ago

2close4comfort

[real notch]

[ionic magnet]

yea id say its a win

[real notch]

it looks really close

is enemy planes in the air

[ionic magnet]

thats his planes

[blazing scroll]

Did your ykk procc?

I guess she did

[ionic magnet]

oh wait theres still an enemy ykkz alive

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DfVEE/a6ee64562a.png looking much better here

[ionic magnet]

just dont count that last one

too close to call lol

[hot creek]

nah im pretty sure i'd have won that one

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

Yeah if those his planes

[empty sinew]

[hot creek]

they were indeed my planes

and hiryuu didn't have any more invuln

[ionic magnet]

theres an enemy ykkz tho so dive bombs will get wasted

[real notch]

Alright we gucci

[hot creek]

yeah but suicide damage is definitely gonna finish that off

[blazing scroll]

Plane dmg should still do quite some dmg

Especially with the low AA stats of the main fleet

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DfVGK/1abb4c4701.png yukikaze helps very much it seems

[blazing scroll]

Her kit is just really good

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DfVKo/3948f950ed.png Hiryuu just procc'd invuln

sketchy

[empty sinew]

ur yukikaze won't die tho

[blazing scroll]

I don't think the dmg is enough to kill

[meager dawn]

someone using the amagi nagato hiryuu fleet?

would this work in en or not?

[empty sinew]

oh, so that guy wants to make a more annoying ykkz

[meager dawn]

Is juneau supposed to die last in that fleet?

[modest elbow]

just make juneau hp higher than sheff

[blazing scroll]

Depends on the gear used

[hot creek]

I used namagiryuu on offense for the last couple days of last season and it was solid, was even beating full oathed wasdA's with a 105 nagato lul

and against amakaga its pretty much auto win

sometimes get unlucky though if your VG die too quick and backline eats torps

but most of the time Hiryuu will clutch anyways lol

[zenith tundra]

i still have to lose a vg fight with namaryuu tbh

[meager dawn]

sucks i don't have amagi, can only go nakaga rn

[zenith tundra]

especially if nagato procs it should be free vg win

[hot creek]

nakaga with defensive VG seems to have decent win rate against this so far

[empty sinew]

sandy still stuck on amakaga, it's boring

[random vault]

sandy is chill

[empty sinew]

and sometimes you see the occasional wasdA so u feel good for a moment facing something worth fighting

[modest elbow]

same with lex,

i never see a nagato

[blazing scroll]

Tell me whenever you find me @empty sinew

I wanna know how my defense performs

[empty sinew]

i just want my list to move

still stuck on 10/10

[blazing scroll]

Yeah, sandy isn't moving much

I feel like everybody is forgetting their attack or something

[zenith tundra]

i still haven't seen a nagato comp on defense even on avrora

[meager dawn]

Nah everyone doesn't have nagato

[empty sinew]

yea, seems like the rushers doesn't have her FeelsBadMan

[blazing scroll]

I am hesitant on using her

Because she is still lvl100

[hot creek]

use her, free xp

and this early in the season is super free

[meager dawn]

I try to level nagato in pvp if I can

[empty sinew]

my skills on her are still 6, 9 but is winning 100% of my matches so far with her at 108

mostly against boring amakaga with shitty gear tho and the occasional full oathed wasdA

[meager dawn]

wasdA?

washy sodak?

[blazing scroll]

Washington South Dakota Amagi

[meager dawn]

I don't think I've ever seen that backline before

[real notch]

@hot creek how were your 10 tests

Did u do them yett

[blazing scroll]

For casual players it would be hard to use maybe

Because of the heavy gear investment it needs

[shy hazel]

i won all my battles with namagi sirius ykkz aurora

[hot creek]

ah fuck i accidently won

[empty sinew]

[hot creek]

I think i did get around 10 matches though

[real notch]

Send send send

Yay

[hot creek]

god dammit, i thought his yukikaze would live

such is RNG i suppose

crap, I didn't record whether it was a win or loss, i only took screenshots and some of them are a little ambiguous because can't tell whether Hiryuu still has invuln or not lol

but I can safely say that win rate was at least above 80%

[real notch]

[hot creek]

so I guess nakaga isn't completley dead yet

[real notch]

Hmm so

8 wins 2 losses?

[hot creek]

yeah, probably lol.

i think losing conditions were if foxes get sniped too quickly or if yukikaze die too quickly

which didn't happen often

[lime rivet]

Luck of the draw

[real notch]

What fleet did you end up testing with

Wait where did all your screenshots go

LOL

[hot creek]

i didn't post all of them, only a couple above

should only take these results with a grain of salt tbh

his nagato's barrage was pretty low level

[real notch]

Kk ill note it

[hot creek]

im at 8/8

b a l a n c e

[real notch]

Ayyy kk

[hot creek]

i just stayed with juneau/aurora/yukikaze

[buoyant parrot]

the tier list link went missing from pinned?

oohhhh

okay

still no update >__<

I'll update Namabaga myself then

[empty sinew]

why do y'all call her Baga and not Baka

[buoyant parrot]

I have no idea

[empty sinew]

noice

[buoyant parrot]

lets change it to that

[empty sinew]

battleship kaga

it just works: Baka

[buoyant parrot]

now she's stupid

[empty sinew]

but not everyone's a memer 😦

[buoyant parrot]

nama stupid

[empty sinew]

stupid coinflip ability

[real notch]

My modem internet is dying

Im stuck on my phone using data

[blazing scroll]

F

[meager dawn]

Dunno if I should use 1 sakura torp and 1 normal torp plane on my akaga or not

[empty sinew]

by the time of the 2nd round of planes, they'll go separately

[hot creek]

the sad realization of 8-1 is that its like, only 5 points more xp than 7-2 and without the gold.

same feelsbadman

[empty sinew]

my rem/ram is gathering dust in the dock

[hot creek]

I still want that collection percent

even though I don't actually care that much

yes its amazing

[empty sinew]

only weird thing is that it disregards torpedo plane's torp type and just defaults to normal torps

makes me sad

[ionic magnet]

i thought i saw a good test subject

until i saw the confetti

[meager dawn]

Do they use confetti just for the "fast reload"?

[empty sinew]

obviously, they time it to shoot the planes

[meager dawn]

The only way to counter akaga is to use confetti to shoot down the planes

[empty sinew]

would be quite funny but really interesting to test that out lol

tho it'd be a waste of time

[fair sail]

i don't think you can get amagi to shoot at 12-14 seconds either with that weapon at +10

[split socket]

go with t0/1/2 imo

it's easy to understand numbers, wheras OP/SS/S/A/B/F doesn't have the same logical ordering

S rank sounds like t0 while in this system it's actually t2

[blazing scroll]

Currently we have SS and S

With SS being the best

[zenith tundra]

are there any alternatives to twin 127 on juneau?

[blazing scroll]

You could maybe put a twin 100mm