pvp

[buoyant parrot]

Nagalewd of course

[vague token]

too bad most of the ijn barrages need center

otherwise id try kirishima

for kicks

[placid musk]

how about for monarch?

use with qe and who else when she comes out

[buoyant parrot]

well you can use her with QE... however if you're going to bring that to PvP I don't think that's a good Idea

QE is moderately good but if you are going to par her with the PvP meta... You'd lose... Nagato/Monarch/Amagi will definitely decimate your ass

[placid musk]

r i p qe

[buoyant parrot]

but probably with proper gearing and positioning you might be able to survive... Maybe ask our expert in HMS... @modern tree

[vague token]

i mean it's really obvious QE didnt keep up with power creep

just compare the buffs lol

[placid musk]

true

[vague token]

and we dont talk about how busted tier amagi is

xD

we just accept and move on

[buoyant parrot]

lets wait for QE Kai then will see the "MAKE HMS GREAT AGAIN" meta

[vague token]

yeah

but like javelin retro

she'll get power creeped

by the others

iowa class

and yamato

(and bismarck)

hms is first to retro, and then gets short sticked

[placid musk]

so amagi and nagato?

[vague token]

top kek

[placid musk]

just pair them up and watch everything burn under the barrages?

[buoyant parrot]

the only time you'll probably see something diff is when we get Warspite Kai and Hiryuu... But then again... Put WS Kai+Hiryuu on a team and now you become a cancer...

[shy hazel]

hms should stikl have george v

when ur waifu has manlier name than u

[vague token]

like dork's class?

[shy hazel]

george

[vague token]

yeah i think dork is a george v class

only the finest of quads

[buoyant parrot]

is there a list of PR2 now?

and their skills?

[vague token]

oof george v didnt do too well against bismarck xD

and she ran over the hms punjabi

maybe they'll give her something nice

i guess

[lament lichen]

Theres a list of pr2 skills

[vague token]

that was fast

[lament lichen]

Been out since yesterday or so

[vague token]

ah

[lament lichen]

I remember kitakaze ignored armor typing

[vague token]

on torps?

she stole kawakaze's skill xD

[modest elbow]

On guns, i think

[vague token]

o.O

on a destroyer?

nani / 10

[trim horizon]

what's the status of the extra charges thingy ?

[lament lichen]

But then again the source was from some random on 4ch

[vague token]

oh lol

[cobalt ore]

wats better

[buoyant parrot]

use flight time calculator which do you preffer

faster bombs or stronger

[oblique thistle]

Whyyyyy... Why does everyone have to use Amakaga

[vague token]

i mean stuka isnt thaaaat much faster

[buoyant parrot]

if her skills are Lv10 does that make a diff compare to an SBC2?

[oblique thistle]

I'm mainly upset because I still don't have CV Kaga so I'm at a disadvantage

[cobalt ore]

i dont have microsoft excel

[maiden agate]

Go farm a CV Kaga then! Like everyone did

[real notch]

Just did a test, 14.3/14.2 wasda sendai jintsuu ykkz
5 wins
3 losses

Probably will get much higher winrate with juneau

[vague token]

they go from 1.3 to 1.6 efficiency

[oblique thistle]

I've been trying...

She refuses to drop though

[cobalt ore]

so

helldivers r better

[real notch]

Forgot to take a pic against this fleet

[maiden agate]

Do u think it would be better if the wasda team used stall frontline

[cobalt ore]

doesnt wasd auto lose to ijn

[real notch]

Belfast juneau? Yeah itd be much better

@cobalt ore no, depends on ijn

[cobalt ore]

nagato

[real notch]

I swap over to namagi hiryuu tomorrow for some testing

[maiden agate]

And Sendai would be better than Aurora here I imagined

If they were using Belfast

[real notch]

Overall conclusion is namagi is pretty shitty against wasda

[maiden agate]

well I don't see many Wasda in my server so I might just try that

[real notch]

Hmm, maybe, i can try that test

So jintsuu sendai ykkz?

I can do that test

I have a sendai

[cobalt ore]

sendai just slaps every vanguard

in 20 seconds

[maiden agate]

Against Ykkz Juneau Belfast Wasda ideally

[real notch]

Im doing nakaga testing, zack is doing namagi hiryuu

And zack is saying hes beating wasda matchups quite easy

[cobalt ore]

wasda sucks

[maiden agate]

[real notch]

Wasda was top fleet before nagato

Now with nagato we have to kind of reassess meta

[buoyant parrot]

oi don't say that WASDA sucks... in before Nagalewd Donald Trump and Gurren Lagan is a wall in Avrora... ANNOYING...

[cobalt ore]

amagi still slapped wasda

then deres gona be Monarch

[maiden agate]

In 3 months

[cobalt ore]

then after Monarch

is Bismarck

😏

[buoyant parrot]

ohohohoh I'm finally back to Rank Lucky 7 in Fleet Power!

[maiden agate]

lol Bismarck

[real notch]

Amagi doesnt beat wasda

50-60% winrate is not slap

[cobalt ore]

im just saying

i use graf tirpitz for pvp

😪

[placid musk]

hiryuu kai isn't out yet right?

[maiden agate]

My server is not pvp tryharding much, but plenty of Amakaga here. The best of them can force 1 or 2 reset at most

[ionic magnet]

wasda has amagi too so how come amagi beats wasda

[maiden agate]

Exactly

[cobalt ore]

ijn got da sendai jintsuu yukikaze and ayanami

and uss got juneau

[cosmic iron]

Do QE based teams compete better with Nagaka comps once they get monarch and WS retro?

[maiden agate]

I'm leaning no cause of Centaur

But then again Centaur doesn't buff WS/Monarch one hit wonder

[real notch]

@cosmic iron ws retro ironically benefitted other factions more than hms

[cosmic iron]

What does centaur do?

[vague token]

centaur buffs allies and slows enemies

so perfect for syncing with guns

oh nagato is getting mvp finally on d2

[trim horizon]

either the mod sniped the dude with extra charges, or he's sandbagging 🤷

[worthy osprey]

[coral wren]

have we always had that seaman rank?

[vague token]

yeah

[hazy rain]

how come nagagi bad? wasn't that china meta before warspite kai yeeted them?

is it a thing of not having level 120 yet?

(and no Hyryuu kai)?

[buoyant parrot]

who's gi?

Nagato/Amagi/???

[cosmic iron]

Akagi?

[buoyant parrot]

ahh... that sucks lol

[cosmic iron]

Naga + Akagi?

[hazy rain]

Nagato Amagi

• X (Hyryuu kai)

[odd schooner]

I think i I'm out of the rankings lol

First reset was 134

[ionic magnet]

namagi is not bad at all

[hazy rain]

I read here that she insta-loses to amawasda or something

"Overall conclusion is namagi is pretty shitty against wasda"

[ionic magnet]

what where

hmm idk lets wait for others to test first

[coral wren]

Sad

[ionic magnet]

nagato skills are not maxed yet so

[idle python]

where tf did you get that info from

wasd is garbo vs namagi

[buoyant parrot]

wtf... People in Avrora ain't moving... come on guys ATTACK! >__<

everyone sandbagging now?

[blazing scroll]

Probably

Nobody moving in my list too

[coral wren]

Its 7:41am. Let ppl sleep

[charred sable]

how many points should you have right now with 5 attacks left on Aurora?

I have 4 attacks left... Not sure if I accidentally missed some already or not

[ionic magnet]

260 5/10

you're good i think

tho i didn't get that many bonus pts

[odd schooner]

Ye guys i think I'll be the test dummy this season

I modified my def tho

It's now wasda repair 2

I moved my goodstuff on offensive fleet

[vague token]

=(

[odd schooner]

@cerulean estuary ping when you see me

Oh wow

Wdf

[cerulean estuary]

@odd schooner i havent see u on my list

[odd schooner]

There's new add on lmao

Tech point system?

They'll force us to choose a faction

[lament lichen]

?

[odd schooner]

Usn pvp fleet

[lament lichen]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xlIjyGDaFdkc_ckDgd6L7ed-MlO3JQfxB6wLSYSohLU/https/wx2.sinaimg.cn/mw690/006ixwxngy1g24cg09akfj30mq0ewat5.jpg

oh its new

[odd schooner]

I guess this will be fully used on pvp

But it's still too far

[mental sierra]

hm, Crimson Axis for the IJN girls probably then

[cerulean estuary]

i want a guild / faction war here =)

hoping in the near future devs would come up to these features

[odd schooner]

30 vs 30

[lament lichen]

akaga already breaks bgm

[cerulean estuary]

15 juneau on vanguards and 15 hiryuu kai's

[ionic magnet]

throw in a few ykkz and we're good to go

[odd schooner]

Ye I think ykkz can be the all rounder

I mean

Her skills on her own carries herself

• op luck

[cerulean estuary]

nanoda intensifies

[odd schooner]

Someone needs some good head patting

Ye i think i have the lowest points here lmao

255

[ionic magnet]

how low are we talking about here

5/10?

[odd schooner]

Ye

[ionic magnet]

oh

[odd schooner]

I mean i screwed like 3 different games earlier before going to sleep

[ionic magnet]

still on pace i think

[lament lichen]

we are at 20 point base now?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[lament lichen]

235 at 7/10

[ionic magnet]

at 300 pts, we get 18 base

oh 17 mb

[odd schooner]

Ye 20

[buoyant parrot]

finally someone moved

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN SON +28

lol!!!

[real notch]

wait sorry, @hazy rain @idle python my typo, i meant nakaga not namagi

i was doing nakaga testing earlier...

[hazy rain]

outdated technology

[real notch]

yeah namagi is the opposite effect

with hiryuu, they smash wasda fleets

according to zack's tests

since he's testing namagi hiryuu and i'm testing nakaga

[charred sable]

@real notch whats the test results in terms of frontline? Stall/reduce backline damage? or IJN glass cannon?

[hazy rain]

👀

[velvet fossil]

[vague token]

[lime rivet]

Avrora folks - i'm done with my runs. Was #7 at 417 when i finished, #1 was 431

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

avrora is unbugged or non hacked

[real notch]

@charred sable i'm using offense VG

but fitting YKKZ

with jintsuu aurora

[real notch]

i'm about to hit commander 100 as nagato is 110... it's poetic

[random vault]

tfw your nagato higher level than yourself

[ionic magnet]

just a little more to 15k lol

[rustic fog]

Using a fleet with DD's only

Absolutely barbaric

[zenith tundra]

that's just a fleet power flex nothing to do with pvp

[real notch]

swapping out aurora for sendai... cus nagato IJN boost

[zenith tundra]

i don't like nakaga

[real notch]

fleet's not maxed yet though, nagato is still like 168 affection

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 181 affection

[real notch]

tbh i don't rly like it either but the testing is important

[zenith tundra]

i think yukikaze is kind of mandatory for nakaga. it just feels so frail

[real notch]

YKKZ is flavor of the month rn lol

the value she provides is good enough to even be on suicide VG

[zenith tundra]

have u find vg that survives nakaga dmg?

[real notch]

with aurora, sendai, or both?

[zenith tundra]

with aurora and sendai/sirius

[real notch]

oh, hell no

i just VG wiped a cleveland belfast VG with just sendai

needless to say aurora would be overkill

a VG that MIGHT survive is belfast sirius and cleveland lol

on defense... a little harder to say? i can only make guesses

[zenith tundra]

lvl 8 on both skills. i'll just finish barrage i guess

[real notch]

Yeah im not too sure about nakaga in current meta even after all this testing

Like ive struggled against some maxed amakagas... But again non-maxed skills and not 110

[zenith tundra]

i've been struggling against amakagas too and my nagato is lvl max

[real notch]

With namagi though right?

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is too op imo

[real notch]

Yeah you have to solve the aa problem with that fleet

Juneau maybe?

[random vault]

where is sandykai when we need her

[zenith tundra]

i don't feel like anything can stop namaryuu on offense unless u get really unlucky with barrages

and that was with lvl 108 nagato and without maxed skills

[buoyant parrot]

I thought so... That's why I was saying at first I want to go Hiryuu but you're more favoring BB Kaga back then~

[real notch]

Have u tested and compared hiryuu to hyuugakai?

[zenith tundra]

nagato buff makes hiryuu really strong

[buoyant parrot]

None the less, I'm working on my Hiryuu for Kai anyway so that's fine :)

[zenith tundra]

if i can find stuff to test against...

at this point no good fleets in list

[buoyant parrot]

SHould you guys ever find my TEAM LET ME KNOW what do you want me to change my def so you can test right away

[real notch]

When i tried namaryuu for a few tests

[buoyant parrot]

besides I have all the ships and 95% of PvP ships is Lv110 now

[real notch]

First airstrike was roughh

Against amakagas

[buoyant parrot]

I can change to whatever composition you want so you guys can test

[real notch]

Not enough aa to stifle touchdown dmg

[zenith tundra]

i rushed end season with namaryuu and stomped on wasda so easily

i'm more worried about nagato comps tbh

[real notch]

Yea its kind of our responsibility as #pvp to tier the new pvp fleets

Nakaga, namaryuu, amakaga, wasda

So more testing the better

Ill lyk when i find u @buoyant parrot

[buoyant parrot]

ding me if you I'm in your list for testing purposes

[zenith tundra]

this were the 2 wasda i fought

last rush

nagato pretty much half hp at 108

[real notch]

Kk np @buoyant parrot

[zenith tundra]

i think kaga bb might more useful against namagi comps but let's see once people start using nagato defense comps

[charred sable]

hmm, whats Yukkikaze's purpose on offense? Survive long enough to make their backline waste attacks on her?

[zenith tundra]

survive so she uses her heal and buff

to the maximum

[coral wren]

120 lvl cap comes with pr research? If so, then i guess i won't be able to do pvp properly due to all that grind that awaits me

[zenith tundra]

lvl 120 cap comes with w12

just like 110 came with w11

[buoyant parrot]

I think its about time the active members of #pvp creates like a consensus of PvP Tiers in EN... Well we're confident enough anyway regardless if the casual plebs copy cat us.

[zenith tundra]

@real notch what torp are u using on nakaga? 2 cuda or hybrid?

[real notch]

2 cuda

and yea i agree with that

[zenith tundra]

i want to see double ryuusei

[real notch]

we can get a team working on a pvp tier list or something

it should be quite easy, we already sort of unofficially have a tier list

that is generally agreed

also it depends on how complex you would like to make the tier list

if it's simple, i can just use this one (that i haven't updated since amagi kek)

oh god this shit is so outdated

[buoyant parrot]

now we just need someone to jump start this Tier List for the noobs to copy so we can kill them easily So we can have this going.

[maiden agate]

Ah the good old days

Wasd Enty t0

[real notch]

umm

[charred sable]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/edit#gid=182166484 this is still a good starting reference

[zenith tundra]

wtf is that flare

[real notch]

aristya's guide is good but it's JP/CN mix conglomerate

[charred sable]

we're getting close

[real notch]

and it's easy to get confused

[buoyant parrot]

that is actually a good reference

[real notch]

also aristya IIRC doesn't play EN so

he just gets other dudes opinions

and puts it in his guide

[blazing scroll]

That's true

[buoyant parrot]

if he/she has time to join this discord he/she can talk to us

[real notch]

aristya is in this chat btw

[buoyant parrot]

he/she can get a better Idea here on EN side

[shy hazel]

im in charge of the memey side comments

[real notch]

and aristya's guide is good, just confusing with the CN/JP meta combining

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

cyan, you mean likee

paragraph style?

how about we make a nice graphic table first

and then give details below if people wanna see it

[ionic magnet]

too much texts is not good for casuals

[maiden agate]

^

If you want ppl to read it, make it so they dont have to actually read

[blazing scroll]

You can make a simple visual design with details

Some people might want to read some more info

[real notch]

i guess basic pointers for this tier list would be...

DISCLAIMER:

1. Tiering is based on overall (weighted average) WINRATE against current meta environment fleets... considerations for speed of exercise (with foxes, Ibuki, Jean bart etc.) will be noted but not considered.
2. Current EN environment fleets ONLY. Guide will refer to update date above
3. While there are some exceptions, highest winrate offense fleet = highest winrate defense fleet. Considerations will be noted.

kind of like the starting header for wis' guide or my guide

i guess first we all need to agree that the tierlist should be based on winrate only

[buoyant parrot]

now YOU start it

[maiden agate]

[real notch]

or if not we should at least all agree on the definition of "best meta fleet"

[buoyant parrot]

well basically win rate

lets say best out of 10

?/10

[blazing scroll]

10 matches is still a small sample imo

[ionic magnet]

"assuming BiS gears or close to it"

[buoyant parrot]

Zack usually gauge it in 10 matches, so as I

[real notch]

depends on the RNG of the fleets being used

[zenith tundra]

i do 10 matches for setup usually unless i see it not working

[ionic magnet]

personally i think 10 is small also

[real notch]

foxes are generally far more consistent than ships like enty or sodak

so 10 tests is fine for foxes

10 might be not enough for fleets with sodak or enty

[ionic magnet]

cos i had tested with wasda before and i went 3-7 for first 10 then 7-3 the next 10 fights

[real notch]

at least that's my thinking when i designed the whole idea of reset testing

yeah wasda is very RNG

[charred sable]

the problem is "best" is subjective to your weighing of consistency vs potential

[real notch]

70% amagi barrage proc, 30% sodak proc, 70% wash proc

lopl

[charred sable]

so you'd have to give each fleet separate ratings for that

[real notch]

hmmm

[ionic magnet]

yea i guess wasda is an exception

kinda

[zenith tundra]

wasda is really random to fight against. just 25% on focus assault makes such a difference

[charred sable]

how reliant on RNG is this fleet

[real notch]

keripo that's a good point but i think it all gets factored into winrate anyways

[ionic magnet]

also BB targetting lol

[real notch]

as long as your winrate is accurate

[charred sable]

how fast can this fleet be

[real notch]

whether the fleet is consistent or RNG is irrelevant to the winrate

yea speed is ignored

i will add that disclaimer for sure

[charred sable]

measuring by winrate is easily affected by confirmation bias

lets say you run a torpedo squad

you either win within the first 20 seconds or you reset

your consistency is very low

but you might "feel" like you have a better winrate

cause you always win since resetting isn't an "issue"

[buoyant parrot]

I like AriPanda's guide but its sooooo lacking of information and why

[charred sable]

whereas for a longer WASD fight, you get to the end and might "feel" like there's a chance of losing

[ionic magnet]

well resetting should count as a loss

for this tierlist

[real notch]

hmm

no i don't think we reset because we need to

[charred sable]

not entirely a "loss" but just "not a guaranteed fast win"

[blazing scroll]

If you retire from the fight before it's decided, it's a loss

[real notch]

we reset for theorycrafting

so even if we win, we will reset

[charred sable]

which, when it comes to the race for Admiral of Fleet, is a very important factor

[real notch]

that's the idea behind reset testing

[blazing scroll]

We're looking at win%

[charred sable]

like during the final rounds, Id definitely run a speed torpedo team versus a slow but consistent team

cause timing maters

[real notch]

sure but this is not a how to rush to AOTN guide

it's just purely what fleet has the highest winrate

though speed, like i said will be explained

[charred sable]

thats fine then, just need to be very clear on what the measuring criterias are

[zenith tundra]

i think it's the exact opposite for end season. u want a fleet that cannot lose and just time ur fights based on how much it takes to clear opponents

[real notch]

that's true too

even if you want to win fights quickly

resetting 3 times for your torp squad to facetorp enemies is going to be more time consuming than just running a higher WR team

[charred sable]

what might also be useful in the guide is pointing out which meta comps the team does well against and which it doesn't

[real notch]

even with the most famous example - foxes

[charred sable]

like "Belfast is top tier because she counters foxes"

[real notch]

when you boil down the timers foxes are usually around 20-30 sec faster than wasda

[charred sable]

so on offense, if you're not fighting foxes, there's no strong advantage to using Belfast over other options

[real notch]

oh, that's a good point

i already thought it out but i haven't typed it yet

the tierlist should be based on ONE fleet against current meta ships, right?

[ionic magnet]

also how to tier hms when noone uses them

[real notch]

so it's saying, you follow our advice, take this 1 fleet, and you will have highest success rate

[zenith tundra]

i don't agree with that point tbh. with nagato barrage and 381/410 bb shoots around that time i think belfast is still pretty good against non foxes comps

[real notch]

we won't give details on flex picks

like picking belfast for foxes, juneau for wasd, YKKZ for wasd, etc. etc.

hmm, or should we?

so we'll tier backline ships

[buoyant parrot]

regarding with ships we don't have a consensus with. We put it on our list of "TO BE TESTED" so we can all agree here

[blazing scroll]

If you're going to account for every flex pick. It's going to be pretty big

[real notch]

and then just slap all VG ships into a tierlist like this?

ROW A - Tier 1: a , b , c, d e
ROW B - Tier 2: f,g,h,i j

that's not smart though

because you'll run into synergy issues

[blazing scroll]

Maybe it's something to give certain possible flex ships the reason why they can be used

[real notch]

for example, you don't use aurora unless if you're in a fox comp

so you can't objectively tier aurora on her own

otherwise you'll end up with 2 tier ratings,

[buoyant parrot]

Good Idea

[zenith tundra]

what if u tier by backline comp?

[real notch]

Tier 0 for aurora in fox comp, tier 3 for aurora in anything else

so maybe in the tierlist, we give the entire 3:3 fleet

[zenith tundra]

like under backline u put vg ships based on tier for that comp

[real notch]

and then as fearless said we'll discuss flex picks in details below

[ionic magnet]

so many exceptions tbh idek how to start lol

[real notch]

yea we can tier by backline comp

[charred sable]

The weird thing about tier lists is that people will always assume "if its above, its guaranteed always better and will always win" no matter the disclaimers you add

[real notch]

but we also need to tier the backlines themselves right?

like give details for which VG to slap on backline, but also tier the backlines against each other

i'm still thinking we should make it into table style

i can do table right now, and someone else can slap in pictures after

[charred sable]

so if you want to put two comps on different tier lists, youd have to very clearly define the border/criteria between one tier and another

[real notch]

yea i think i will mention that

[zenith tundra]

i think we can start from comps and do tiering later when meta stabilizes

[charred sable]

something like:
S = 90%+ winrate
A = 80-90% winrate
B = 70-80% winrate
etc

clearcut definitions

[real notch]

isn't that same as saying T0 T1 T2 T3

[charred sable]

otherwise you will always get the silly arguments of "well I used comp X and won against comp Y, your tierlist is shit"

[blazing scroll]

It's the same

[real notch]

btw winrates are weighted averages, as i explained in the disclaimer

because you will draw up different winrates depending on the opponent

so the winrates have to be averaged in some way

[zenith tundra]

u can just put a note if a fleet is much better against certain comps

[charred sable]

you can say "if you were to fight against the top 100 players at end season, your expected winrate would be X%"

[real notch]

like sure, maybe your namaryuu has 40% winrate against some hyper anti namaryuu fleet, but you have 90% winrate against the most common opponent, amakag

the winrates have to average out

yea i'm still doin that cyan

gonna do like little blurbs for each meta VG

but shouldn't we at least paint a rough diagram of the meta tiering?

since some people don't like to read

Yeah i was just saying that 5 mins ago

Like u cant independently tier aurora

Because shes t0 with foxes and t3 with wasd

[buoyant parrot]

omg... when this is done... I think PvP will be more haardcoooor... The player with the most Max Lv PvP ships will win coz he/she has a counter for all setups 😂

[zenith tundra]

i tried something like that back in wasde meta. it gets boring really quickly switching around every time

[real notch]

Ya also personally im not a big fan of switching ships to counter fleets

I just wanna find the perfect fleet that can take on any opponent

[charred sable]

"PvP will be more hardcore"

[real notch]

But thats just me

[blazing scroll]

I am lazy so I don't switch ships

[zenith tundra]

i had wasde akaga and hms and was just switching around for better win rates because of bad equip

[charred sable]

Remove the attacker bonus buff and switch to an elo system

or proper ladder system of sort

[buoyant parrot]

oh we should also take note in the guide that equipment's are set in min-max

[real notch]

Tbh theyd do that if they cared at all about pvp development

[charred sable]

and then you can somewhat call AL PvP competitive

[real notch]

but they dont

[zenith tundra]

#game-feedback but already suggested

[charred sable]

though the lack of variation in mechanics pretty much guarantees the exact same team in top 20 once things stabilize

cause once you remove the RNG factor, it'll literally just be raw math

[real notch]

Yea i think thats a slippery slope

[ionic magnet]

make a sandbagging guide too while you're at it

[buoyant parrot]

not a good IdEA, do not put Sandbagging guide...

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[charred sable]

pretty much the current AL combat system isn't meant for competitive and be a huge turnoff to the casual community that Azur Lane targets

[zenith tundra]

i think u can make like a page to explain basic sandbagging based on how the score works

[charred sable]

that and the fact that JP communities usually tend to be pretty carebear as fk

in most games at least

[buoyant parrot]

I wouldn't even put A BASIC guide... Its already on the WIKi in the fist place.

[zenith tundra]

wiki doesn't explain it that well tbh it's just 1 line saying something that is not even valid for any rank but just when u get +10 base

[buoyant parrot]

we should give them at least something to check for themselves... I don't want spoiling this casual plebs even with a little bit of cookie info.

We're already handing out good comps. Its up to them how they use that cookie cutter info

[shy hazel]

dont forget the disclaimer

Join stella guild for more details

[real notch]

ok back

sry i was taking a shit

[buoyant parrot]

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

LOL

yea it was but i had to focus

anyways i'm gonna start tiering now

by backline first?

[buoyant parrot]

YES YES we have someone laying down foundation for EN tier guide for casual plebians~

[real notch]

ok let's start by naming all the viable PVP fleets

and it has to be every iteration too

[shy hazel]

u need daxam for hms

[buoyant parrot]

whats wrong with using the Tiering system 0, 1, 2, 3?

[blazing scroll]

Aren't the winrates an indication of it?

[zenith tundra]

i think tiering is bad rn because u cannot test against nagato comps

[charred sable]

Usually its SSS/SS/S/A/B/F lol

[buoyant parrot]

well we need the layout now so we can change information when PvP stabilize

[real notch]

CURRENT PVP COMPS

Amagi, Nagato, Hiryuu
Amagi, Nagato, Kaga BB
Amagi, Nagato, Hyuuga
Washington, South Dakota, Amagi
Washington, South Dakota, Enterprise
Amagi, Akagi, Kaga
Nagato, Akagi, Kaga
QE, Hood, Duke of York

yeah just layout, it's ok if we are wrong

also nobody will know we are wrong because everyone else is also busy tiering the EN meta

[buoyant parrot]

Amagi, Nagato, BB Kaga

[real notch]

even in other servers

ok updated

[charred sable]

This was a visual tier list I made for another mobile game, made using Excel lol
https://i.imgur.com/ks6Ovlu.png

color coding is important

[real notch]

oh ... yeah

i'm hoping someone else can be the artsy person

[shy hazel]

ofc

pink should be strongest color

[zenith tundra]

washington south dakota enterprise is still a good comp

[charred sable]

your mean Unicorn purple?

Sandy Red is second

[real notch]

added @zenith tundra

ok any else?

i'll draft a tentative tier list quickly

then u guys can proofread it for mistakes

[buoyant parrot]

its not finish product YET so by all means go ahead

I'm pretty sure it will get updated everyday until PvP is established

[charred sable]

Nagato + Amagi + Hiryuu
Nagato + Amagi + Hyuuga
Nagato + Akagi + Kaga
Amagi + Akagi + Kaga
Washington + South Dakota + Enterprise
Washington + South Dakota + Amagi
QE + Duke of York + Hood
QE + Hood + Warspite (probably the lowest atm)

That's all that come to mind?

BB Kaga disappointment?

[zenith tundra]

50% amazing 50% useless pick ur choice on baga

[buoyant parrot]

@charred sable no not really

[shy hazel]

you need multiple ppl to have an intelligent opinion

[buoyant parrot]

I'm currently using that set up

[shy hazel]

[charred sable]

unless BB Kaga's torpedoes hit, Id imagine Hyuuga would be significantly better

[zenith tundra]

baga literally liver by her barrage proc rate. if it doesn't proc she's bad if it does she's amazing.

[ionic magnet]

what no, bb kaga torps doesnt matter cos they either miss or hit and do scratch dmg

[buoyant parrot]

I'm Using Nagato + Amagi + BB Kaga // Janeue + Yukikaze + Jintsu, So far I haven't ressetted even once against Amakaga and WASDA

[real notch]

ok here's the PVP tier list i wrote, just to fit everyone into the table

i kinda just eyeballed it but feel free to correct me

[coral wren]

warspite

[buoyant parrot]

what do we call Amagi + Nagato + BB kaga

[random vault]

F tier

[odd schooner]

namababa

[buoyant parrot]

I forgot

[odd schooner]

[buoyant parrot]

[random vault]

namababa lmao

[real notch]

oh god they noticed it

[buoyant parrot]

lol

[odd schooner]

HAHAHAH

[ionic magnet]

well hard to tier rn but yea p much like that

[real notch]

i'm not good with short forms guys

[zenith tundra]

can i correct the namababa name to namakaga or namabaga

[buoyant parrot]

namabaga sounds better

[real notch]

sure

[odd schooner]

I think i can babysit hiryuu now lmao

[buoyant parrot]

lol

[odd schooner]

But i have to ditch w8

[random vault]

namakaga sounds like a weird combo of nagato amagi akagi kaga lol

[real notch]

ok changed to namabaga

[shy hazel]

[random vault]

hyuuga is legit?

[shy hazel]

namakaba

pls

[random vault]

didnt expect her to make it into pvp

[real notch]

[odd schooner]

Baga dmg is

[zenith tundra]

i think hyuuga comp is based on boosting nagato and amagi barrages

[odd schooner]

Strong

[real notch]

people focusing on the acronyms instead of the actual tiering

[shy hazel]

i dont think hyuuga is still tested

[random vault]

oh so its just a theory atm

[shy hazel]

at least no one here has proven it yet

[real notch]

pls guys this will become public at some point, we should try to make it as accurate as possible

[odd schooner]

I saw one amagi nagato hyuuga but idk

[zenith tundra]

i'll test hyuuga once i get lvl 10 barrage on nagato

then i can see it demolish enemy team

[odd schooner]

Community still think little of us tryhards

[real notch]

oh, on a separate note, that might be a legit plan @zenith tundra

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

run torp suicide VG so they die off

[buoyant parrot]

well Zack was testing Hyuuga the other day I don't know what came out of it... Just know his on Hiryuu right now

[real notch]

and enemy VG comes into your BB range

[shy hazel]

who cares about community

[real notch]

to get shredded by hyuuga barrage

[random vault]

arent we making a guide for the community

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga dmg is like a normal bb without anything special. without the boosting nagato and amagi part i wouldn't really use her tbh

[shy hazel]

this guide is to show our superior pvp genes

[real notch]

ok fine.... guess the tier list is OK

[ionic magnet]

keep it as is for now yea

tho rip hms kek

[real notch]

i'll post the link here so u guys can refer to it... and pls ping me if you think a tiering should be elsewhere

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

[shy hazel]

daxam should be here

[buoyant parrot]

I don't think Hyuuga is good right now, Sea plane sucks anyway... well until we get the Aichi M6A Seiran

[charred sable]

Hyuuga's damage is meh, her entire purpose is just to boost Amagi and Nagato's barrage waves

[real notch]

I don't want to be... alone...

ayanami is an annoying bastard

[charred sable]

give that extra umph to clear the vanguard

[real notch]

y u so mean

[random vault]

without context that sounds creepy af

she wanna drag u along to her grave

[real notch]

ok next part of the guide...

we talk about VG

[shy hazel]

cyan soul is stuck in a cube

prolly rolled it for a sandy

[real notch]

oh i have an idea, why don't we do the cyan idea, but instead of talking 1 ship only, we talk 3x VG combinations

and then list which mainfleet it best fits on

[shy hazel]

you can always have two tabs

one for singles one for fleets

[charred sable]

@real notch I propose Nagato, Amagi, BB Kaga be named "Nanbaka"

[real notch]

... nanbaka

kaga bb is getting bullied

[shy hazel]

too weird

rejected

[real notch]

wait what if i just did... something like this

[midnight heron]

i propose agaga

[blazing scroll]

Just slap Juneau, Belfast, Ykk on everything

[real notch]

^ lol yea freal tho

[ionic magnet]

mm VGs have different roles tho

[zenith tundra]

nakaga with that vg would be bad

[real notch]

how about something liek this ?

ah, it'll get so dicey to tier VG

cus pretty much any combination of the key ships belfast, aurora, jintsuu, YKKZ, juneau, sendai, sirius will work great

[random vault]

i think for vg you should list out the 'universal' vgs then start with the 3 member vg combo

[zenith tundra]

how about multiple vg tabs after each comp

[ionic magnet]

hmm yea thats good imo

[charred sable]

Nagato/Kaga/BB Kaga = Nagagaga

[ionic magnet]

just list all possible vg setups

[real notch]

ah that's a good idea sub diego

[ionic magnet]

best possible

[random vault]

they should know ykkz juneau for instance are cockroaches that can fit any team

[real notch]

ok i'll just post the link instead of screenshotting my progress

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

[charred sable]

I like Aripanda's way of doing it. Here's your choices, pick 3

[real notch]

that's a good idea too keripo

i also like his approach

[random vault]

but you know eventually whatll happen is

[charred sable]

and detailed explanation of what each offers and what role they play

[random vault]

"why is cleveland not in the list?"

[real notch]

@zenith tundra wait wdym by tabs

[random vault]

"eugen has high hp, why is she not listed?"

[real notch]

someone write FAQ?

ok that'll be later

we'll finish the actual tierlist for now

[zenith tundra]

i meant the vg tab being separates with 3 possible vg comps

[real notch]

tab like column?

[zenith tundra]

backlines l vg1 l vg2 l vg3 l

comps

[real notch]

ohh

[random vault]

mindmap style

u get one backline comp in the middle

split into various vg teams

[real notch]

that's a good idea but

i think this table thing won't work

then

we have to change the layout

shall we try mindmap?

i'll do one in excel i guess

[random vault]

are u gonna do everything in text

cause i dont think images would fit mindmap well lol

[real notch]

uhh, i'll do a bunch of circles with names

and someone later can post the girls face on the circle

[dense lynx]

washington notliekthis

[zenith tundra]

i like airpanda style too tbh

[charred sable]

inb4 it gets vandalized by dicks Sandy's

[buoyant parrot]

I'll check once we have content there

[zenith tundra]

i think u can just put names and then replace with images later

[ionic magnet]

let me eat dinner first

[zenith tundra]

like u write amagi and after that u put the image over then name leaving enough space

[real notch]

yea i'm thinking if i should leave a box

so someone can more easily just paste in the pic later

[trail elm]

wrong channel, sorry

[charred sable]

ok, I made my contribution, time to go sleep

[real notch]

ok night

[shy hazel]

[random vault]

[real notch]

god damn it

keripo

[modest elbow]

Don't forget about equipment choices

[random vault]

shouldnt work too hard on equips imo

coz theres still ton of shit we havent get

[zenith tundra]

u can make a tab for equips based on ships

[real notch]

ReEeEEEEeEe

why is making shapes in google docs so much harder than on excel

[blazing scroll]

Because it's google docs

draw.io might be better

[zenith tundra]

how many choices we should give for equip slots 2?

@real notch

[real notch]

uhhh

2 for aux, 1 for everything else?

oh maybe 2 for AA

[blazing scroll]

2 for AA?

[zenith tundra]

2 aa for? is not like u have choices

[real notch]

yea, since the AA mix is more important than the AA choice

you always want to have 1/2 twin 113mms and 3/2 bofors

so even if you have 3 shitty VG ships with 100 AA stat for example

one of them has to have the twin 113mm

[zenith tundra]

ok if u want i can just complete equip by myself but now have to go to work

[real notch]

yea see what u can do

i imagine formatting this chart will take longer than expected

btw, what are some viable VGs for wasda

i have belfast, juneau, YKKZ atm

[ionic magnet]

against foxes, you want to stall actually

[real notch]

well, it's an option :P

i guess another option is torp VG

ok guys anyways

[blazing scroll]

I run Belfast, Juneau, Ykk with my wasda

[real notch]

take a look at the top 3 viable VGs with this chart

[ionic magnet]

bel jun ykkz is best for def wasda

[blazing scroll]

That way the planes will waste resources on vg

[ionic magnet]

never had any issues against other VGs

[real notch]

i made just tier 0 fleets so far

[ionic magnet]

tho with nagato now im not sure

[real notch]

[blazing scroll]

in the 2nd main fleet, kaga is kagaBB?

I assume

[real notch]

i'll add explanations for the VGs that i agree with

oh, unless otherwise stated it's CV kaga

[buoyant parrot]

ITS BEAUTIFUL... Its making me cry~

[blazing scroll]

nvm, I am stupid

Thought it was amagi

But it's akagi

[buoyant parrot]

added Jintsu, Belfast, Jesus

You can leave the explanation to me about that. Been using that for the longest time here and showed multiple live streaming of 10/10 without a single reset

[real notch]

i will just fill in explanations for VG i have strong experiecne in

OKKK i'm done so far

this ^ is the graphic tier list

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

This ^ is the text doc, still pending individual VG explanations

i am going to sleep.. it's 5AM so

[coral wren]

nite

[real notch]

i'll touch base with you guys tomorrow

[blazing scroll]

Night

[buoyant parrot]

is there anyway to have one of the mods. Pin that 2nd link so we can add explanation there

everytime we need to we just click on pinned post.

I'M AFRAID.

I'm almost certain to get DANNED just a little more push... I'm at the same situation as Stella

[maiden agate]

But he said DM him for help

[buoyant parrot]

F that shit... I ain't buying that DAN TRAP

[real notch]

it's ok i'm at like 5 warnings and i'm pretty sure people get banned at 6 so

[maiden agate]

@viscid lynx psst. we nid halp

[real notch]

u can't be worse than me

[buoyant parrot]

could someone volunteer to message the mods to have that important 2nd link Pinned.

[maiden agate]

I just pinged one

[buoyant parrot]

thanks... Your sacrifice will never be forgotten

[maiden agate]

although the guy I pinged might be offline

[real notch]

ok i'll ping him since i have nothing to lose

@queen kayak

[buoyant parrot]

May your sacrifice to the #pvp community never be forgotten... We will continue your legacy... Rest In Peace

[viscid lynx]

Wat happen?

[maiden agate]

oh

here we go

[shy hazel]

were making

[coral wren]

[shy hazel]

en only pvp list

pin it or die

[viscid lynx]

Wat tou need?

[buoyant parrot]

can we please have the link above "2nd Link" be pinned. We the #pvp is creating a Tier Listing for PvP as a whole

[coral wren]

[maiden agate]

PIN

[buoyant parrot]

thank you very much

[blazing scroll]

Much appreciated

[viscid lynx]

[shy hazel]

domo desu

[maiden agate]

@viscid lynx

[viscid lynx]

now go quit pvp :3

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

okay now we're out of the DAN zone... Lets continue the VG Contributions

[shy hazel]

select ppl who can edit

and not

zack u daxam ether neko

im too lazy to edit

[real notch]

Oh, write the explanations on the Excel instead

[shy hazel]

maybe totu too

[real notch]

Since i think we gonna use Excel instead of word

Just open a new tab and u can do explanations there

This is gonna turn into a pretty big and comprehensive guide lol

Zack is even going gear guide

[buoyant parrot]

damn that's a lot of data

[grave gale]

For the hell of it, I tried Nagato, Amagi and Akagi for the back and it's damn good. The match begins with torp damage then Amagi quickly fires her gun then Akagi's planes come and finishes off the vanguard. Even by herself, Akagi still does a lot of damage thanks to Nagato. Whenever I ran dual foxes: Akagi was always the mvp over Kaga which is why I went with her. With Akagi's early launch, you still get the AA bonus from VF-17. I think I prefer this set up over Hiryuu because Hiryuu loses that early launch for quick vanguard kills.

[random vault]

what kind of vg are you using with that team? lol

[grave gale]

Jintsuu, Aurora and Yukikaze

[coral wren]

lol my experience is opposite, kaga normally takes mvp over akagi

[grave gale]

For me it's very very rare for Kaga to beat Akagi.

I even tried switching ryusei to barra to see if that was the difference. Akagi still always won

The only other difference would be the slightly better bombs of the VF-17

but Akagi has better fighters so she should get it

[coral wren]

only difference in gear for my foxes is that its double barra

[buoyant parrot]

im done adding my explanation to the Jintsu Belfast Juneue VG... Could add gear list but I don't know where's the right venue for that

[shy hazel]

i mean technically

hiryuu should also have a pair

but no one cares about souryuu

[hybrid tendon]

its just you

[shy hazel]

what makes hiryuu good is the 15s security

[hybrid tendon]

souryuu is great

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

[buoyant parrot]

@real notch should we have a place for gears to backup VG explanation please direct me to the right venue.

[coral wren]

i think he went to sleep

he said it was 5am where he was

[shy hazel]

let him sleep

[buoyant parrot]

I'm also editting the excel borders for the WASDA Section do not add explanation for now

done for now, feel free to add your explanation there now

P.S.
#pvp IS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more productive than stupid #degeneral...

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

damn it I can't link a tab for equipments... Well I'll have to wait for someone who knows how to

[elder crane]

Phew "fleet technology will not affect PvP"

[odd schooner]

Ye lmao

[elder crane]

Wait, PR ships getting luck and possible skill buffs!

[odd schooner]

100 luck sanrui!

[elder crane]

Well, not like they weren't excellent already

[buoyant parrot]

been adding borders to the excel again and colors

[elder crane]

Oh, they're also showing ship luck now too

[buoyant parrot]

where's the link?

[elder crane]

Hopefully Hit follows

[buoyant parrot]

oi where's the link of the discussion you guys where talking about

[elder crane]

Fewer stats hidden in-game=good

Well, time to prepare to bring random shite to lv120 to prep for PvE fleet buffs

[odd schooner]

Now pvp just needs better merit rewards

[grave gale]

I'm not sure I like the idea of using season 1 bps to further enhance PR ships. It's nice to have finally finish a ship and no longer have to work on it.

[elder crane]

Hopefully effect is small

[odd schooner]

From what i read a lot of ppl have excess bp

[buoyant parrot]

what are you guys talking about I can't follow

[odd schooner]

New updates

[elder crane]

Read JP patch notes

[buoyant parrot]

where's the link?

OH JP!!!!

[elder crane]

On the other discord

[buoyant parrot]

that's why I can't follow >__<

[odd schooner]

Ye but this is like

[elder crane]

If it's just increasing luck, it's not too bad

[grave gale]

it depends by how much. Luck is a very important stat

[odd schooner]

I just changed the ships i have to go first on pr

[elder crane]

But it mentions skill too, so....

[buoyant parrot]

isn't luck a hidden stats?

[elder crane]

Luck will be revealed ingame on JPcn now

[buoyant parrot]

O_____________O

[elder crane]

Hopefully Hit stat follows

[buoyant parrot]

omg I need to read that patch note

[grave gale]

Join the Azur Lane English Community Server and look at the #jp-server-news

[elder crane]

Pretty typical if final counter procs

The final counter strike occurs when vanguard is dead already

So AA damage mitigation on Suicide is much lower

That's my hypothesis at least

Cause Hiryuu seems to hit stronger than what it feels like comparable CVs should do

[odd schooner]

Oh right i need to push further so ppl can test my def fleet

[elder crane]

I need 10 more lvs on Nagato, and 200 aff on Nagato, ykkz, and Hiryuu

Last two are close at least

I'm 30 aff short on ykkz, 3 short on Hiryuu
Also I might want to develop Sheffield for testing, she's at lv100aff

Ykkz is in every one of my farm fleets

Nagato too ofc

Ykkz's tanky enough to not need healer support, too bad she's not good at cleaning mobs up
Hiryuu was a long term project, cause no good PvE application for her really

[buoyant parrot]

done fixing text and border/color
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=0

[elder crane]

For 200 aff/lving Juneau, I'll keep pushing my ch 11 farming comp
Amagi/Phoenix/Juneau
Juneau dies just in time (last/2nd last node) to heal Amagi and Phoenix enough to finish up either:
6 nodes with a red BB node (must do that node early)
7 nodes if lucky to not get red BB node but get ambushed
8 nodes if "lucky" on what fleets spawn/fight RNG, but if you get ambushed twice, not really lucky
Ofc this requires you to abuse Juneau hard, keep in dorm!

410s get into the flare timing too, which can be useful
Defs helps with Belfast smoke, since the two almost always near-perfectly overlap

[odd schooner]

People were initially using disposable on wasda vg

[elder crane]

That too, lets your BBs not fire main guns at vanguard ASAP
and triple secondaries melts vanguards

Aurora imo is the better option though

[odd schooner]

200% efficiency

[elder crane]

oh wait aurora already in there, derp

[odd schooner]

To fight nakaga fleet rn, wasda needs their white shells

[buoyant parrot]

feel free to update the "EXPLANATION" section specially if you're the one who suggested it and was using it for the longest time I'll fix text arrangement later

[blazing scroll]

I have no experience with the vg that are still open

[buoyant parrot]

also added image of Unit from Equipment to Tier List

I've done a lot already xD

[pearl nimbus]

Thoughts on Jintsuu-Aya-Yuki VG?

[buoyant parrot]

Please have a soft copy of this on your drives... Just incase someone YOLO's the edit... At least we have a back up

I don't think restriction for editting has been set up yet.

[pearl nimbus]

Eh, people in #pvp should be pretty chill

[odd schooner]

You will have difficulty vs high eva foes imo

[buoyant parrot]

I made a backup just incase a PLEBIAN from #degenral ruins our project.

[odd schooner]

Is it not tomorrow

[buoyant parrot]

mine is Lv9 right now

prolly before end day tomorrow its 10

[odd schooner]

Ye same

Yeah tomorrow

[buoyant parrot]

I was tempted to do Yellow but no... OCD is kicking in...

[odd schooner]

I just like barrages

[buoyant parrot]

who'se adding imgage?

thanks for helping

[blazing scroll]

It's me

I added some in equipment and reference the image from the tierlist to equip

[buoyant parrot]

thank you

[blazing scroll]

Np

We can fill the background color if needed

[buoyant parrot]

this is becoming a collective knowledge of the PvP EN Community I'm so proud of this club

[blazing scroll]

No biggie

[random vault]

im so proud of this community

[buoyant parrot]

just go add explanation I'll fix text later. I'm on lunch >__<

[blazing scroll]

I gotta make dinner soon

[analog hare]

image

[buoyant parrot]

I'm also helping fit the image to border :D

[elder crane]

Lol at our low selection of vanguard ships

[shy hazel]

dont forget

bulins on f tier

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

Okay we done with adding images

[buoyant parrot]

nice... BTW other tiers ain't done yet will add later once @modern tree is alive

he's HMS Expert

[split socket]

did anyone see the fleet technology patchnote?

[buoyant parrot]

yup

[split socket]

I got hyped up af until I saw it was not applied to pvp

Q_Q

[buoyant parrot]

was discussing that here an hour ago

[blazing scroll]

I wouldn't use it either

[buoyant parrot]

can't vouch.. not my forte

[blazing scroll]

I am a wasda user but I only run beefy vg

[elder crane]

No, as in if sendai is potentially better than ayanami even without her flare being useful

Or at least comparable

[buoyant parrot]

the other "IN question" fleet is bound for testing... That's Zack, sirreq and me and some others who want to help

[elder crane]

Torp buff, better AA, better guns, about same survivability

less torpedo power herself

[buoyant parrot]

I don't even have a Sendai... Spent like 60k oil already. She won't come home, and now im so busy with events. No time to farm her

[blazing scroll]

I would swap sendai with aurora but that might be just me

[elder crane]

The whole point of that setup is to also have 3 IJN for amagi

[blazing scroll]

Mine is lvl100 with max skills but never used her

[elder crane]

otherwise it's just the setup below it

[blazing scroll]

It's more that Sendai doesn't make the cut for me

Torps will still remain a gimmick

You can also miss most

[elder crane]

Not reliable enough, more for defense fleets

[stark raft]

because who wants to reset and waste time

[elder crane]

Yep, our standard for top tier is to win 80+% of the time against most anything

With some concession possible for teams that are exceptionally fast at deciding matches

[blazing scroll]

Anyway, I will be making dinner

Will be back later

[stark raft]

I mean, if the torps hit it will save time but how many resets though

[elder crane]

It's pretty viable
Winrate from, say, 90%->80% can be worth it if on average matches are, say, 20% shorter

Torpteams under trigger-happy resetting have very low average match time

[stark raft]

even my hms can blow enemy jesus up on contact if im lucky

way too rng

[split socket]

if ur resetting then ur low avg match time will already be ruined by loadnig time lul

[elder crane]

idk, load times aren't that long
and I include load time in what I call match time

[buoyant parrot]

I use to run Fubuki/Ayanami/Jintsu before Sendai Patch and there's like a 20-30% chance at 1st seconds enemy VG is wiped... Unfortunately that only happens like in 20 matches only happens 2-3

its so inconsistent It's hardly even consider a viable option.

btw someone spent their 5 attacks in Avrora just now

MOVE EVERYONE

[elder crane]

With the WaSD suicide setup for example, a good chunk of your would-be losses is when initial volley goes really badly
So, being able to immediately reset then significantly lowers time spent on average
The idea is, sure, I lose a few % per-match winrate, but I gain it back by not having to play out matches that would be losses as they are decided much earlier

[stark raft]

mutsu big 7 same as nagato yeah?

could raise a mutsu to play barrage roulette with namagi

[elder crane]

Roulette!
Well, Namagi KagaBB "dies" too

[stark raft]

thats why it's a roulette

[buoyant parrot]

OMG+27 sweet jesus!!!!

[stark raft]

where else am I gonna use 3 hoodguns

[buoyant parrot]

Monarch, Nagalewd, Amagi

[split socket]

in what scenario would u actually need 3 hoodguns 🤔

[buoyant parrot]

I just said

[split socket]

that's not even a thing owo

[buoyant parrot]

Barrage montage~

😂

[elder crane]

2 381 for PvP, 1 381 for putting on whatever PvE ship
Namagi KagaBB might use it

Mutsu over one of the monitors obvs

[split socket]

think I'll skip the 3rd hoodgun since it's useless for pvp

[elder crane]

then we can run 381 once Abercrombie

[stark raft]

everyone with air radars for big brain roulette meme

[split socket]

can always farm it with research if I ever need it for pve which I doubt 😓

[elder crane]

since Abercrombie is 15s first

I will blot out the sun with my barrages!

[buoyant parrot]

please core reset please add SHELLS please...

[zenith tundra]

pls no

[elder crane]

Probs only ASW plane and sub equips

[buoyant parrot]

but why? T___T

[blazing scroll]

Why use air radar when you have sandy

[stark raft]

sandy with beaver and pearl vs foxes

[blazing scroll]

Her AA boost is pretty big ngl