pvp

[elder crane]

And/Or Iowa

[zenith tundra]

the og run and og rerun of mikasa event was in autumn. nagato is in spring. we didn't get mikasa at her time so we are getting nagato now. next might even be mikasa event who knows

[elder crane]

Poor Mikasa, already powercreeped on release

[split socket]

even without amagi / nagato, she was already shit from the beginning

[zenith tundra]

mikasa and nagato are different ships with no relation other then both having ijn flagship

[elder crane]

Yeah, but she had a niche, now there's ships strictly better

[violet comet]

is graff zeppelin viable

in pvp

cause i'd cut my arm off

for her

[elder crane]

Even in BB comps, I'd take Nagato flag over Mikasa

[split socket]

maybe in the future, KMS is in the worst spot

[violet comet]

i figured as much

[zenith tundra]

for pvp mikasa is not viable

[elder crane]

There's basically no role where Mikasa is best at at all, even in PvE

[zenith tundra]

that's because ijn bb all want flagship because of barrages

[violet comet]

(she's not even better lookin than amagi *coff)

[elder crane]

FdG HYPE!

[violet comet]

the new one seems mighty fine

[split socket]

who would the 3rd kms backline ship be?

[elder crane]

Still no good 3rd

Go search in other nations

[split socket]

tirp gets gimped cause of her skill

[violet comet]

didn't they announce

[elder crane]

Enty, Ark, prolly Amagi actually

[violet comet]

a new german cruiser?

[elder crane]

Dork could be nice, WSkai ofc

[vague token]

what, in pr2?

[violet comet]

the WoW ones

[split socket]

yea, kms getting a PR BB

[elder crane]

In PR1 there's Roon, but she's not much of a PvPer really

[violet comet]

oh thats a BB

rip

[zenith tundra]

if u could just ditch tirp for something else and use amagi it could work but they only have bad ca(outside of roon)

[vague token]

i dunno if id use her over georgia's 18inch guns

[elder crane]

Yeah FdG is a BB

[vague token]

or rather the theoretical 18inch guns georgia would have

if they port her wow gear over

[elder crane]

Do we know what ammo that gun is and/or the stats yet?

[vague token]

inb4 SHS like mamie

[elder crane]

inb4 it's like the leaked Yama gun, BBAP with no redeeming stats

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

as long as the light armor modifier is trash for ap bb they all gonna suck pretty much

[elder crane]

Though with WSkai and the buff BBAP has more uses

[real notch]

if there was a BBV you could do

[vague token]

that buff is like trash though for pvp

[real notch]

tirpitz - gz - BBV

which would be pretty lit tbh

[elder crane]

Hyuuga is often used there iirc

[vague token]

what was the activation rate?

like 25%?

[elder crane]

wasn't it like 12%?

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

2 non barrage bb with a slow cv... that looks dumb tbh

[elder crane]

or was that the dmg buff

[vague token]

no idea

either way

25% is about as likely as interference targeting a useful ship

[zenith tundra]

30% iirc chance on all hits

[vague token]

and it has to proc on the FIRST shell

otherwise subsequent shells dont get anything

the only user really is ws kai

who can more consistently follow up her own shots

[elder crane]

Still, BBAP already has more non-fire damage on med/heavy, slightly better stats and WSkai could use it decently well

[vague token]

except he still melts everything fine

i mean, ws kai still kills people with or without the boost though

so it doesnt really help her

[elder crane]

If WSkai can solokill with her targeting, maybe you start not running other UKBBs with her

[vague token]

xD

like, the ap buff is literally only for heavy pve bosses

since you are constantly shooting them

with guns from everyone

[split socket]

the ap gun buff is only from bb shellings

cruisers ap gun don't apply the debuff

[vague token]

the damage boost is on all gun damage

right?

[elder crane]

Can WSKai already consistently kill anything by herself?

[zenith tundra]

the only thing that would benefit from that are targets after 1st barrage but the fight is already over by that point

[real notch]

probably if wskai's target is a fox

[elder crane]

Cause if a good-statted BBAP gun allows her to to that to any ship, it could be worth using

[vague token]

is there anyone that is in just the right amount of hp

that doesnt die to 1 full MGM set

but with 12% or so more damage

does die

[elder crane]

Well, more discussing future BBAP guns

[real notch]

the dispersion makes it so u can run even 4x cannon guns and it'd work well

[vague token]

like, that's the only reason to run an AP gun on her

[elder crane]

Cause current BBAP isn't statted well enough to make a difference even in the best-case scenarios, probably

[vague token]

i mean even if there was like

an AP 406 triple

who dies without 12% damage

but does with 12%

[zenith tundra]

if the opponent dies to her mg shoots whatever u use ap or he why would u pick ap over he?

[vague token]

i doubt there is anyone in that very narrow field of hp

[elder crane]

But, say, a really good BBAP 457/460 gun, that does say like 1.5 more dmg vs med/heavy, if that allows WSkai to solokill without team chipping in, could be interesting

[dry socket]

How would Taihou-Nagato-Hiryuu fare? I'm not a JP player and can only look at ships in that version on paper, unfortunately

[vague token]

so you're saying SHS

xD

[elder crane]

SHS is more about being better vs light though, iirc?

[vague token]

yeah, but since they boosted ap it's only 10% more

instead of 20%

[real notch]

not great probably, foxes strike faster than that fleet still

[zenith tundra]

there is no real point to use both hiryuu and taihou tbh. they don't get anything from each other

[vague token]

they probably forgot to buff SHS when they buffed ap

lol

[elder crane]

Idk if it's worth dropping Amagi for Taihou...

[vague token]

in fact does anyone even know if SHS does armor break?

i bet they forgot that too

xD

[zenith tundra]

it does

[real notch]

oi, taihou is mine

[vague token]

oh ok

[elder crane]

Actually pretty sure Souryuu would be better than Taihou since Hiryuu is there

[real notch]

i'm saving my first skin virginity for taihou

[zenith tundra]

shs does armor break

[real notch]

oi

[elder crane]

And Souryuu is not worth running over Amagi really, so taihou would be double not worth

[zenith tundra]

for cv pretty much foxes till bunnies kai

[violet comet]

i spent my V card

for skins

on souryuu

100% worth it for the shiba

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

For waifu, anything goes!
And if you're asking for other ppls waifu tiering to guide you, idk what's wrong with you

[violet comet]

i did it cause

amagi has no

fucking

skins

[real notch]

i hope she gets a wedding one

[violet comet]

same

[elder crane]

Give it time til her rerun I suppose

Though RIP ships like Cranes

[violet comet]

at least monarch has one

[elder crane]

Never any skins ever

[violet comet]

is the chinese outfit skin

her default one?

[real notch]

wow actualy hella excited for PR

we can finally use saint louis in namagi fleets

[elder crane]

No, that's a paid skin

[violet comet]

:c

[zenith tundra]

definitely going for roon for namagi

[elder crane]

Standard is mil uniform on Monarch

[violet comet]

gotchu

[real notch]

i've always been stuck on YKKZ + juneau

[violet comet]

and yeah i love monarch but she's HMS only

[real notch]

and the 3rd ship was unfortunately belfast

[violet comet]

saint is second, but she's more usable

[elder crane]

You could try ykkz/jun/Sheff

I heard that's good, and it seems like it could be interesting

[violet comet]

between the two which one will be more splashable?

[real notch]

that could be interesting

[elder crane]

Louis is in more PvP teams

Monarch is a great PvE carry though

[real notch]

i considered that too, but wasn't sure if sheff skill stacked with YKKZ similar effect

[elder crane]

It stacks

[violet comet]

for pve i have

amagi and dork

that covers the BB needs

[elder crane]

Monarch is the only self-healing BB, and one of very few self-healing mains

[violet comet]

guess i'll go saint

oh

hm

eh, whatever

ill stay loyal to milf then

[elder crane]

Much better secs though, and that heal
Makes her much better at higher worlds

[violet comet]

secs?

[elder crane]

Well, more of a nice bonus

[violet comet]

oh

[elder crane]

Secondaries, which are somewhat poor on Hood

[violet comet]

yeah you convinced me to stay with Monarch

[elder crane]

low efficiency and DD-only

Yep, but reload doesn't have a huge effect

[violet comet]

ig for HMS fleet monarch can replace hood?

or nah?

[elder crane]

Like Laffeys +200% gives her only ~35% less reload time (~50% more DpS)

So you can imagine how small Monarch's bonus is
It's nice to have, but not a huge deal imo

Nah, % effect scales nicely

[violet comet]

with monarch which will be the go-to hms backline anyway?

or it wont change?

warspite might be cute?

oh, how come?

[elder crane]

It's really a mashup
Monarch QE Hood, or maybe Dork over Hood, or maybe sometimes WS if you need to snipe something

[violet comet]

dork over hood and make her shoot before monarch?

[elder crane]

Centaur will make it even more of a mess, probably

[zenith tundra]

at 1% hp monarch buff the speed of 381 from 15.5s to 13.2s

[violet comet]

at least with that many combinations

[elder crane]

Not insignificant, but also not huge imo
And that's at 1%, at half-HP it'll be in-between

[violet comet]

building HMS will be fun

since there's so many of em

also how is dork better than ws

[zenith tundra]

14.2s at 50%

[violet comet]

she can't snipe that well

or at least reliably

[elder crane]

It's like having an extra autoloader
Which is nice, but also not super amazing

[violet comet]

thats true

but WS still may have that niche?

[elder crane]

50% dmg on first set of shots too
Yes, for strictly snipes WS will still be best

[violet comet]

tho ill prolly use dork

since i have her lvled up

[real notch]

[elder crane]

Level up in anticipation of WSKai?

[real notch]

HMS is my weakest area in PVP so this is educational

[violet comet]

WS is like

89 cca

she's fine

[zenith tundra]

i have ws at 100 for old hms build

[violet comet]

so wait, let's say I side QE out, who'd be flagship?

[real notch]

yea my QE WS are lv 100 with maxed skills but i never bothered lol

[violet comet]

monarch for that sweet sweet barrage?

[zenith tundra]

i was luckier i got sandy as 1st sr

[violet comet]

or someone else and use her to snipe?

[real notch]

cus other people did HMS testing instead of me

[elder crane]

Never got foxes in CN, joined after FW, so when I played there I went HMS since that's low-luck farmable

[real notch]

if suzuteo was around i'd be able to learn more

sad that he's gone

[elder crane]

Though I didn't play all that into AL on CN

[violet comet]

for HMS whats the rule for flahship?

like, QE and use the other 2

to snipe?

[zenith tundra]

flagship doesn't matter in hms

[elder crane]

HMS backline positioning is flexible, and depends on what you face mainly

[violet comet]

hm I see

[zenith tundra]

u want ship to snipe or attack different targets

[elder crane]

I'd put QE in there if I had to say, since it's w/e if she dies and flagship takes the most heat usually

Though really you shuffle around to counter enemy team

[zenith tundra]

if u pair her with sd she takes no dmg tho

[violet comet]

interesting

also, if and when QE gets

sided out

whats stopping people to just not run HMS BBs?

[zenith tundra]

against wasda i put hood top doy mid and qe bot

[elder crane]

WSkai targeting only applies to HMS

other than that, nothing

It's just that a lot of HMS ships are good anyways

[zenith tundra]

yes

[elder crane]

Mid or bottom

[zenith tundra]

qe to tank washy

[violet comet]

@elder crane i see, so after a while the powercreep of the ships will overcome the buff that QE gives, correct?

[elder crane]

Even now on JPCN I think opinions are divided

It's just really hard to give up that global buff

[zenith tundra]

centaur would need to launch before other ships shoots for her to be worth

[violet comet]

yeah i'd still run her

[real notch]

most importantly that EVA

[violet comet]

but its weird the way other people run HMS

[zenith tundra]

with monarch needing 381 for speed she can only buff 2nd bb

[real notch]

centaur is a CVL so it shouldn't be hard

[zenith tundra]

u don't go under 20 sec

[elder crane]

CVL strikes aren't much faster

[real notch]

CVLs tend to takeoff faster than normal CVs

[zenith tundra]

unless suboptimal setup

[elder crane]

sub 2s diff iirc, for the reload difference

and CVs cant usually hit 20s

[real notch]

i haven't used CVLs in PVP but sub 20 seems pretty doable

[elder crane]

Centaur also needs to hit her torps to slow, unlike Ark

[real notch]

like, lv110 oathed?

[elder crane]

So add another few seconds of delay for that

I don't think it's possible to speed up Centaur to even have slow in time for 410s without giving up too much (or possibly even at all), much less 381s

[zenith tundra]

with 2 vf-17 and 818 at max oath lvl 120 centaur launch speed is 20.19s

[real notch]

oh i wasn't following the convo, yea the timer is not centaur takeoff but when her torps land

if you want slow to proc before bb shelling

[zenith tundra]

with 2 me her launch speed is 19.29

[elder crane]

Yeah, maybe that's in time for mk6s

[zenith tundra]

u lose 8 500lb bombs for that tho

[elder crane]

It's kinda funny, ark slow effectively comes out at same time centaur does, since ark is on launch and centaur is on hit
Possibly even faster
ofc 818 is on-hit only too

No

Slower

[zenith tundra]

no but it has slow which is more important

[elder crane]

How is ark right now, anyways?
I tried her out back in WaSD meta, but everyone and their mother ran eld back then and eld really messes with ark

[vague token]

glassy

[real notch]

dies to foxes

[elder crane]

Ah, F then
Maybe if Foxes fall out before we get better options

[real notch]

slower the meta, the more viable ark is

and vice versa

[vague token]

ive had her die to fox first strike and opener torps

[elder crane]

Enty also really messes with her though
And prolly Hiryuu too

[vague token]

although that was during 100

[real notch]

so maybe give ark a shot when namagi meta rolls in

and people start using nagato amagi

cus i'm kinda sick of seeing 4 amakagas in my pvp lobby

[elder crane]

Maybe if we settle on not-Hiryuu with namagi

[vague token]

her damage skill is too low for her to keep up with other damage carriers

unless you're using her for slow utility

in which case you have to time everything

[real notch]

it was cool when amakaga was rare

now it's just annoying

[elder crane]

BB Kaga or Hyuuga
I lean towards former, based on what JPCN had

[real notch]

i kinda wanna do hyuugakai

but i scrapped my purple zuiun

[zenith tundra]

i prefer 2bb 1 cv comp over 3bb

[elder crane]

Almost no one has BB Kaga leveled though, so....

[vague token]

lol

[violet comet]

i have her at 104

and im proud

[vague token]

i got her to 100 but no skills really xD

cause she has extra torp for hard mode

cheat your stats up a bit

[zenith tundra]

kaga bb is good 50% of the time

[elder crane]

I'm bringing her up cause I have nothing better to do really
Well, was before Nagato came

Skills are pretty high on her now, I think

[zenith tundra]

if she doesn't proc she's pretty useless

[elder crane]

Good stats though too iirc
And her secondary barrage torps aren't useless

[violet comet]

hyuuga's buff too

oof

[zenith tundra]

they aren't but also don't kill stuff

[violet comet]

i just like hyuuga so eh

im a real man and went all in

with the retro

[elder crane]

idk about the AA diff on Hyuuga really
Neither will do much AA damage, and BBKaga has more HP to begin with

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga kai has 350aa

[violet comet]

the melee barrage tho

seem worth it?

[zenith tundra]

lvl 100 hyuuga has 200 aa

with the kai nodes ofc

[violet comet]

wait why some people wouldn't 100% her retro

idgi

[zenith tundra]

u use her as low cost bb

[violet comet]

ooh

well im doing that rn

i can't bear to look at that

ubfinished tree

it eats me away

[elder crane]

So like ~1/3 more AA damage for Hyuuga, and about the same more eHP factor

[violet comet]

well i already did

but still

[real notch]

hyuugakai 355 AA 258 AVA

does anyone know her effective AA with seaplane + AA gun

[elder crane]

400 with AA gun, BB Kaga has estimated ~ 180+AA gun

Seaplane doesn't give AA

[real notch]

what, no

there's plane AA albeit pretty shitty

1 x 13mm MG
2 x 20mm cannon

[elder crane]

I meant the stat

[real notch]

ohh

[elder crane]

also, doesn't it not autolaunch?

So about 400 vs 250 or so, 95% aa eff on Hyuuga and 90% on BB Kaga

[real notch]

yea, AFAIK seaplanes don't intercept

[elder crane]

Oh that's more like 45% more AA damage

[real notch]

so basically you only get the extra AA on takeoff

and if there's coincidentally any planes flying towards you

[elder crane]

37% or so more factor of eHP multiplier vs aviation

[real notch]

if seaplanes intercepted that'd be lit though

actually, don't they?

now i'm second guessing

[zenith tundra]

on the other side baga has an actual chance of killing opponent fox vs hyuuga just buffing nagato and amagi

[elder crane]

BB Kaga has about 15% more Base HP though

[real notch]

well

[elder crane]

a bit more eva, but more importantly a chunk less luck

[real notch]

she has pseudo 2ndary guns

still

with her barrage

which is actually quite strong

[zenith tundra]

in case u lose vg is a lost over any bb

[elder crane]

So overall, BB Kaga defs better survivability vs not-planes, Hyuuga defs better vs planes specifically

[zenith tundra]

it just works if enemy vg comes close enough

[elder crane]

It seems like it should do quite good

All of the shots are targeted, right?

and it spawns in front of her iirc

Huh, I need to update my list of skill dmg

Don't have Hyuuga/Isekai

520 base damage total per one round of firing, if I'm reading CN wiki correctly

So very bursty but lower DpS than normal secs, if I'm doing my estimates properly

[zenith tundra]

lvl 8 melee artillery does around 450 dmg

2nd number

[elder crane]

Wiki says a total dmg of 520 base, before FP/ammo modifiers

[elder crane]

across all shots that is

I think it's good, the burst means for self-defense it's better than CL secs pretty much always and DD secs as long as the enemy VG doesn't last like 30+ seconds (with Nagato/Amagi chipping in, good luck)
Does it activate with normal VG distance or only if they come close?

That pic seems to suggest it activates at least most of the time

[real notch]

the range for hyuuga barrage is far

definitely longer than 45

i think it's at least 60, which is twin 127mm range

[elder crane]

Then I think my estimates suggest that it's superior to normal secondaries for PvP

btw the in-game ranges are lies

[zenith tundra]

i can try pic the range centering on hyuuga

[elder crane]

Pretty much no gun in the game has the range it's listed as
And many relative ranges aren't even correct
CL gun range is actually higher than DD ones (including USN 127) (and all CL ranges, with 1 or 2 exceptions, are the same iirc), despite what it says in-game

[zenith tundra]

it is a bit closer then actual activation but good enough

[elder crane]

That's definitely farther than normal secondaries

Are the shells fast enough to hit at those ranges?

[zenith tundra]

1 hit 3 miss

[real notch]

it's not a bullet but a shell rather right?

as in there's a splash range?

[real notch]

but the shells look big so they shouldn't be missing too often

[elder crane]

Oh man, if ppl start doing the speed stuff to counter BBs then it'll probs completely whiff most of the time

[zenith tundra]

isn't that a thing already?

[real notch]

we're already doing the speed stuff wdym

boiler YKKZ will dodge twin 127s

because of the thin spread

[elder crane]

155s still clip her, right?

[real notch]

155s are wider spread so yea they are more accurate

no figures though.. just observation

[zenith tundra]

it depends on trajectory and when the ai decides to stop so rng pretty much

[elder crane]

Is it still an issue up close though?

[real notch]

yep it's RNG but there is definitely a pattern

[elder crane]

plus doesn't speed ykkz move out of the firing arc of the 155 a decent amount of the time?

[real notch]

it does if she moves vertically

[zenith tundra]

speed is pure rng imo u can try and control it but no guaranteed speed will make u dodge everything

[real notch]

but sometimes the ship will derp and ram into backline

[elder crane]

Plus ramming eventually starts being an issue too

Yeah lol

[real notch]

just imagine DD YKKZ ramming into washington

stupid AI

[elder crane]

Ramming bypasses Eld shield too

[zenith tundra]

it's so common too

[elder crane]

on the plus, it bypasses Enty shielding too

[real notch]

the worse part is the slow proc when you ram

you are stuck inside washington for at least 1-2 seconds

[elder crane]

Oh yeah, then the secs just shred

[zenith tundra]

u can have yukikaze just dance up and down in front and survive 20 sec or just ram and insta die

[real notch]

oh ya, speaking of unfortunate RNG

[elder crane]

also can have her facetorp, or completely whiff

[real notch]

sometimes you ram so hard you go past their backline

then fire torps

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

Yeeeep that's what I mean

[real notch]

me: am i a joke to you

[elder crane]

Worst match I had in a while was two ykkz dancing

with BBs on both sides cheering on

and neither getting hit for like a good 30 s

[zenith tundra]

it's worse when both are dancing and only 1 side is alive

[elder crane]

Well, at least match is mostly decided then

With BBs still alive, whoever targets back first wins usually

Still not as bad as high noon Enty duels

OWARI DA INTENSIFIES

2 mins of watching that shite

Russian roulette basically

At least you have a few seconds of warning, but F if you're sleepy/distracted/bored

[real notch]

actually in comparison

[elder crane]

I had one match come down to fighter chip damage, with my enty starting at full and his at 1/3

[real notch]

the YKKZ dancing shells is way more fun to watch

than seeing the owarida russian roulette

[elder crane]

Literally no failed owarida procs over entire match

I'm sad I have no recording of it, an era bygone
It will not be missed

[shy hazel]

until the inevitable enty kai hppens

[zenith tundra]

pls... time to quit pvp when that happens

[violet comet]

so many planes that you

won't be able to see the ships

[zenith tundra]

i hope she gets some trash skill useful only for pve on retro

[violet comet]

or they can make ehr busted

[vague token]

i mean

the current kais for golds boost what they're already good at

so presumably owari da retro would give her an enhanced durability skill

and better damage

following the previous 2

like a self repair skill maybe

[zenith tundra]

they seem to at least keep the original ship purpose tho. ws got better at sniping and sandy got better aa

[vague token]

yeah

maybe she'll just steal yorktown's skill

xD

or something similar

[zenith tundra]

i'm looking forward to yorktown retro

[vague token]

is there one planned?

that'd be fun to try

[violet comet]

amagi retro tho

[vague token]

lol no

[violet comet]

HEAL HER

YOU COWARDS

[vague token]

just give her a skin where she's healed in her lines

xD

[zenith tundra]

i think worst will be foxes retro

[vague token]

i doubt foxes would get retro

[violet comet]

akagi has A FUKKEN KNIFE

like every other yandere

@vague token look

[vague token]

but if they did id probably quit pvp

lol

[violet comet]

i'd be happy even with that

just give a skin to her

[dry socket]

Mutsu kai would be nice

add a fleet buff and she'd become a suitable replacement for Nagato

[vague token]

flag only then?

[dry socket]

yes, a replacement

[vague token]

kk

[dry socket]

though I wouldn't mind the barrage's arrows hitting the enemies on the sides

[vague token]

personally id like to eventually see some cross faction buffs

or maybe like only buffs same faction when side

but on flag buffs all faction

[dry socket]

French ships could use a retrofit

for some of them were adopted by the USN

[vague token]

need those french dd guns

xD

[dry socket]

and given a retrofit there

French DD guns are just

can't survive for too long without them

Triomphant could use a retrofit then

[vague token]

give her the tri oomph she deserves you could say

[dry socket]

She may be slower, as her retrofit as an USS was, but with much more effective equipment

[vague token]

;))))

[dry socket]

[vague token]

they could adjust her reload skill to only like lose 1 stack when target swapping

since you'll be splashing all over the place

xD

congrats

but what did it cost

xD

[violet comet]

eks dee

[vague token]

oof

[violet comet]

i have like

300 oil left

gotta tighten up the belt bois

or just spend points on oil

must be nice

livin the high life

roll in oil

[hot creek]

👏

[modern tree]

I guess Sandy, the second most casual server, is about to be facing 3 maxed Nagatos right after the event started

[violet comet]

how is

washington

as a server

@modern tree what is the tierlist of servers?

[vague token]

t0 avrora of course

xD

[modern tree]

fresh servers are less competitive, so Wash is the most chill

[violet comet]

pogs

[modern tree]

just because people had less time to get shit. You will probably have couple of sweaty nerds that rerolled to Wash or started there with explicit purpose of flexing on leadeboards, but you will in general have less users with less ships and worse gear

[violet comet]

i see

tbf i don't really care either way

since i know my place on the leaderboard

soon i'll reach for the first time

12k

on vanguard

still need to lvl up that dang ol

janeau

[grave gale]

See you in 8 days when your skills are maxed.

[sharp obsidian]

So mates\

Which PR Ship will you all be focusing on getting

With Nagato and now PR Ships, my PvP Team seems to never be finished 😂

So many stuff to work on

[vague token]

saint louis

[modern tree]

Monarch>Nep>Louis> whatever is most convenient

[grave gale]

Saint Louis > Roon > Ibuki > Monarch > Neptune > Izumo

[vague token]

i want to get roon but i gotta level some of the german cruisers

xD

i think prinz is at like 94, deutschland 80 something

but i have leipzig at 100

so that's nice

[dry socket]

Ibuki>Saint Louis>Yeptune>Monarch>Roon>Izumo

[shy hazel]

ppl love doing these plans

pr eats so much resources

[dry socket]

pvp heterochromia torp memes are what I'm trying to rush

[grave gale]

Even if you rush she won't be usable for a long time due to the time rng gate of blueprints

[shy hazel]

actually if ur true hardcore pvp

going roon or louis is the logical choice

[elder crane]

Louis then Monarch

[shy hazel]

cos they fit in naga whatever fleet

[elder crane]

Though it will be months b4 you max them,

[shy hazel]

but i want monarch first anyways

[elder crane]

so getting early isn't super useful

[shy hazel]

until 120 theyre still scoffed

[elder crane]

you can take your time

[shy hazel]

pr is a good feature to force me to farm ships i dont use

[ionic magnet]

are you telling me monarch thighs is not worth rushing for

[elder crane]

Months from the timegate of PR ship BPs, you get ~10 or so a day at best semi-randomly
Need 343 to max one PR ships, sooo XD

[shy hazel]

since when did i care about thighs

unless im eating chicken

[ionic magnet]

the blasphemy

[shy hazel]

im tired of uss,and ijn

want to build for hms

though neptune will be my fourth if im still playing this game

[elder crane]

Imma go Louis->Monarch->Neptune prolly for first 3

Based on what ships I'm using in near future

[zenith tundra]

based on that logic i'll never get monarch izumo saint louis and neptune

i don't plan using any of those

[elder crane]

Oh, I mean which ships I'd use that would get the correct type for XP

Roon I'll have to go out of my way for

Maybe Ibuki too

[zenith tundra]

i have nothing to level up rn outside of nagato

[elder crane]

By that logic, I suppose Izumo first them
Idk about that....

[shy hazel]

👀

unless youre not planning to 120 a single uss vg or hms bb bc

roon is memest

no one wants to grind kms

[elder crane]

Idk whether to pull out the not-terrible ones, but eat oil costs
Or take the cheap ones to get it over with

[shy hazel]

my prinz is lvl 90

all other kms ships are like 60

lol

[elder crane]

Prolly the second, as I lv random stuff like I sometimes do

Prinz at 100 for me
Leipzig probs my best bet for a good chunk of it at least

Cheapish and pretty good
And Karl retro I suppose

[zenith tundra]

just level backlines with common kms units as vg

[elder crane]

So, the KKK

[zenith tundra]

lb0 low cost. put whatever bb u need farm on

[shy hazel]

might as well grind all of them to 100

after 100 then lb0 fleet

[zenith tundra]

if u have oil to spare

[elder crane]

I grind random ships to 100 anyways, so just standard fare for me

[ionic magnet]

i calculated id need 40k oils to grind 3 mil exp when i use 8-4 (cos i still dont have maya)

1 month sounds about right

[zenith tundra]

i think either 7-2 or 6-1

7-2 more because u need gold for specific character bp research

[ionic magnet]

thing is, jp peeps are saying we would need about a month anyway to complete bps

[zenith tundra]

i know that

and that is with only 1 character research spam

without rng of getting the others

[ionic magnet]

the first one will take longer than the next ones too

[cerulean estuary]

noob question what is bps?

[elder crane]

If you get lucky and dump ~20k coin per day, that's the timeline

[vague token]

that is a lot of gold per day

[zenith tundra]

bps are pr bps u need to increase dev level

[cerulean estuary]

blueprints?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[elder crane]

The "fastest" non-cube-munching BP generators all take coin to run

they take like 1k per hour at least, on average

ofc you have to be "lucky" to get them in the first place

[cerulean estuary]

t2 or t3 bp's?

[vague token]

oh, what's the cube economy like on bps?

[elder crane]

It's a new set of blueprints

[ionic magnet]

its a different bp

[zenith tundra]

there are only specific character bps and the ones from event that u can use on everyone

[elder crane]

Cube-consuming research projects are mostly bad

[vague token]

oh ok

nvm then

[cerulean estuary]

ah ok ok

[elder crane]

Only one set is decent, but even then you shouldn't waste cubes

[vague token]

i mean i guess i can farm 7-2 forever

X_x

[elder crane]

We're talking 5(!) cubes just to get 2 ship bps

[vague token]

oh

yeah that's pretty bad

thought we were talking 1 or 2

[elder crane]

and that's the decent one

a few don't even give ship bps

[ionic magnet]

2 random bps right?

[elder crane]

which is like

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

burn the most valuable resource (or at least super valuable) for NO research-only rewards

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

2/2 nagato barrages lol

[vague token]

wow ykk did less than juneau

lol

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DeOPq/ec1d20aee8.png smh already have to waste a refresh

[shy hazel]

final rush

i mean final reset

blue on my list

[zenith tundra]

he's on my list too

[shy hazel]

how many rounds u use maybe we get +2

[zenith tundra]

+1 this reset let's see how many - i get

2nd time in a row a +1 per reset

i hate rng

[vague token]

tfw ykk takes mvp

then again i guess nagato does buff her reload and accuracy

so if the barrage lines up it hits more often

[hot creek]

what are the chances they drop PR update during event?

[vague token]

tweets about patches come out what, like within a week or two

so technically likely?

[zenith tundra]

50-50 idk... the announce 1 per day so it would take to thusday for all

[shy hazel]

if they include pr2 next week

but i dont rly think its possible

lol

[zenith tundra]

not bad

[hot creek]

they kept hyping up the "collab" so its possible.

no way....the guy i just fought who gave me a +11 wouldve have gave me a +12 if I had just waited....

[vague token]

oh nooo

[hot creek]

I did not think he had that many attempts

[shy hazel]

+12

thank you aguri

[lament lichen]

Cant get a +12 too much points

[odd schooner]

Still hoping we could get

Pr2 too

Like what's the point of delaying it on en

[zenith tundra]

random bps giving 1/12 instead of 1/6 characters...

[shy hazel]

zack are u hunting 12s right now

or do u just bite when u see 11s

im thinking whther to just bite or wait

[elder crane]

The BP missions are separate iirc

and you can lock 2/5 missions to only give either PR1 or PR2 stuff

So it's not that terrible

[shy hazel]

gurren is top 1

[odd schooner]

[hot creek]

barely anyone's moving in Sandy. I swear everytime on last reset they only start playing after I blow my attemps

but its not like they can catch up anyways

[cosmic iron]

best pvp torp?

[odd schooner]

Quad magnetic

[cosmic iron]

:rowlet:

[shy hazel]

more like

any magnetc

[cosmic iron]

Triple purple magnetic worth using?

[odd schooner]

N-no

Prefer to be gold

[cosmic iron]

Don't have gold

[shy hazel]

oops

[cosmic iron]

:rowlet

[shy hazel]

i mean any gold magnetic

[ionic magnet]

prefer rainbow

[cosmic iron]

gib more ironblood boxes

[ionic magnet]

my rng is super weird

i still only have 1 quad and 1 quint gold mag torp

[shy hazel]

quint has slower reload but ofc more torps and more chnce to hit

[ionic magnet]

after opening like 300 boxes lul

[shy hazel]

quad more dmg

faster reload

[cosmic iron]

How long have you all been playing

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

er 5 months

[grave gale]

I finally got another magnetic. I haven't seen one since I mass opened ironbloods during DC.

[shy hazel]

im new

[odd schooner]

Since august

[grave gale]

They seem to be rare as hell

[odd schooner]

Well magnetic was released by December

[ionic magnet]

yea but some peeps stockpiled ironblood boxes

[odd schooner]

And i don't want to depend much on luck lmao

[grave gale]

ironbloods insist on giving me 105s

[ionic magnet]

got like seven 105s

[cosmic iron]

I have

12

repair cranes

12 of them

in 1 month

i got 12 of them

[grave gale]

[ionic magnet]

idk how many cranes ive got cos i just insta recycle them

[dry socket]

Gurren's number one yet again

[vague token]

so how's everyone's climb going

i already 0'd out cause im negative a billion xD

[shy hazel]

simple explanation

yurucamp for +1

[hot creek]

ate like five +9s

but whatever, im done https://puu.sh/DeS2G/526774390e.png

[brittle hill]

Did they finally sync up the time? Is this new season fixed now?

[shy hazel]

fixed

[shy hazel]

still so early but im alrdy getting the shortstick in opponents

rank 51 with rank 58 leftmost

[vague token]

oof

[hazy rain]

does everytime you click "new opponent" do you get an even lower rank one?

[ionic magnet]

random

higher chances to get lower ranked opponents as you get higher rank yourself

[shy hazel]

this edwardzo annoying too

always sandbag till last min

not as annoying as me though

[vague token]

lol

[hazy rain]

just watched my Yukikaze duel another Yukikaze for about 3 minutes

I was starting to think the timer would run out

[leaden sequoia]

sounds more annoying than owarida duel

with owarida you can at least know beforehand if someone owadiras the other one

[shy hazel]

because of nanoda

ppl in jp discovered the timer can go overtime

zulul

[leaden sequoia]

and dip out

with nanoda you just have to submit yourself to evasion and 1hp meme rng

[shy hazel]

@livid fractal

👀

i dont see u this season

[hazy rain]

I want to reroll my opponents and search for a +11, but I fear that it will spit on me and give me +8s instead lol

[shy hazel]

its rng

if u getting plus 10

just dont reset

resets are for avoiding lower than 10 now

[leaden sequoia]

This is the last message from Switch on this server

in #bug-reports

[hazy rain]

LOL when you kill the last enemy vanguard and read "Pearls Tears"

[leaden sequoia]

does he need F now

[zenith tundra]

i need 60k xp on nagato guess 108 will be enough for last push

[hazy rain]

wait I actually got a +9 against someone who had just 20 points less

wait what

[real notch]

omg

switch lost his account?

i hope he gets it back

[leaden sequoia]

more like the update is stuck midway

and he cannot open the game because of that

[hot creek]

hope he had a bound account

[ionic magnet]

🇫

[lament lichen]

i still havent updated the game for the yostar bind

[ionic magnet]

i still cant get used to the logout button

always tapping audio lul

[zenith tundra]

i have more problems on emulator then phone with that

[hazy rain]

I just close the app by swiping it away

[odd schooner]

Record who's top 10 later

[shy hazel]

rip switch

i might as well move

feeling giddy

[leaden sequoia]

but relog is faster than force closing/killing app

on my phone 5-8x faster

depending on what is open and hogging resources at the moment

[random vault]

relog is faster if u wanna see pvp updates

i swipe when im not playing al actively

[hazy rain]

[zenith tundra]

15min for 7 attempts hope enough time

[lament lichen]

im just fighting the easy +10 teams for now

[zenith tundra]

i'm using namaryuu so not that easy for me

[lament lichen]

lots of rushers on my list didnt even push

thanks kamita for the extra bonus point i wasnt suppose to get

[zenith tundra]

got rank 7 maybe enough for a +1

another +1 cool

[lament lichen]

wasda mirror

still got time

2505 is the score i need to beat

[zenith tundra]

i'm not passing current rank 2 rn

[lament lichen]

kamita took a +8

[shy hazel]

kamita is too high

cant reach

zack

gurren and sumire will wall u

[zenith tundra]

i'm 2 behind kamita

i'm fighting kamui wasda

i think wasda is a non issue for namaryuu

[lament lichen]

im not fighting the left most

[lament lichen]

im just killing all the amakagas

[zenith tundra]

i have to fight u now

lol

@lament lichen

[shy hazel]

fuck

[lament lichen]

lol

gdi gotta eat this +9

[shy hazel]

famine hits

[loud otter]

how come i see so many prinz eugens in pvp?

[lament lichen]

whats famine at

im gonna be only at 2406 i think

[shy hazel]

2507

[zenith tundra]

free win for once lol

[lament lichen]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

tanks agito

[lament lichen]

would had the same score if my resets didnt reset into +9s 5 times in a row

[zenith tundra]

all +10 only used 2 refreshers

wtf

[lament lichen]

oh novae

he always does his matches before i finish mines

[zenith tundra]

100% sold on namaryuu if i can smash teams like this tbh

[zenith tundra]

same score as stella cool

[odd schooner]

Oh same score

Wait

Let mr update

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna login at 59:30 and pic it

@shy hazel gratz on top 10

[shy hazel]

furst top tien

domo desu

[odd schooner]

What season is this

17?

[lament lichen]

you still rank 10

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DeVOw/339c0a64b2.png

[shy hazel]

hey i got 10 resets

[hot creek]

probably can't spent them all

[shy hazel]

fewels broken again

[lament lichen]

wait i only got 5

[odd schooner]

Got 5

[hot creek]

did you relog

[lament lichen]

might be the same as last time

yeah

[shy hazel]

anyways people

[zenith tundra]

relog and i have 5 rn

[lament lichen]

dont think you can use the extra 5

we'll see

[shy hazel]

4/10 people here are top ten

congrats

#pvp is stronk

[odd schooner]

Novae is room 2 iirc

Even bluerendar

[lament lichen]

lately the game likes to put me in room 4

[shy hazel]

blue is also here

[odd schooner]

No i mean usual people on ingame chatroom

[shy hazel]

i just spam stickers

[odd schooner]

Luki is always on a room with loli talks

[hot creek]

i can still fight old opponents

[lament lichen]

nice lol

[hot creek]

i wonder what scored i'd get. probably base

[zenith tundra]

u get +25 if u do that iirc

i tried it once

[lament lichen]

should be _25 for them

its like those random long islands

[odd schooner]

@cerulean estuary you're top 20

I forgot to ss

[lime rivet]

Avrora folks, i'm 0/5. Go ham on me

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

wat

[shy hazel]

mincemeat you are

[zenith tundra]

not lucky enough to have u in my list

[lament lichen]

im waiting for my +40

[zenith tundra]

how much do u get for 12x score at 0?

[odd schooner]

Ye he's top 1 rn

[lime rivet]

#2's on 127

Aaand down.

[zenith tundra]

lol

u get +32 from attacking someone with 120s score?

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DeVYQ/014956928d.png

[odd schooner]

I got scammed by that too

With my guild master

[hot creek]

i got a +32 off him

[trail elm]

and i only get +25

justice

[hot creek]

he was in top 100 momentarily with around 105 score

[lament lichen]

oh you guys attack right away if they used all 5

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/nc1y1s

[odd schooner]

Pits

[trail elm]

look at all those rings

[lament lichen]

team failed you didnt rename washi

[lime rivet]

I need to ring my sirius so I can rename my fleet " Have Used Up All My Runs"

[steep fog]

vg has correct position?

[trail elm]

yuki dies fast. rip yuki

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu tank aurora mid yukikaze off tank

[lime rivet]

Yuki needs to be offtank - if you're unlucky, she gets chunked in opening torps

[steep fog]

[trail elm]

even mid, yuki dies faster for me.

[odd schooner]

I still dunno if sirius or aurora will be middle ship in a sendai aurora sirius vg

[trail elm]

and she's full. non-ringed but maxed otherwise

[zenith tundra]

sirius tank aurora mid and sendai off imo

[trail elm]

portland retro is my off-tank though

[lament lichen]

i would put yuki in mid

aurora off tank

[zenith tundra]

sirius buff doesn't need her to be alive

[trail elm]

portland retro at off-tank is practically immortal

[odd schooner]

Oh

[steep fog]

at least I can gain exp with all my girl

[odd schooner]

But isn't sendai disposable after first flare

[trail elm]

or at least against the opponents i face

[odd schooner]

Or it's like

We need sendai to live long enough

[zenith tundra]

what if she dies before that?

[odd schooner]

To flare

Cause torp team is popular lately

Yea that's a bit if concern

[steep fog]

what to put on ykkz as aux

2 lunchkit?

[lime rivet]

Double toolboxes?

[lament lichen]

boiler

[trail elm]

i put one boiler one tears

[lament lichen]

then either another boiler or fire ex

[zenith tundra]

boiler fe best defense imo

[shy hazel]

lunchbox with fire ex

[trail elm]

fuck, i think pvp tries is fixed

5/10 and i can't do anymore. oh well

[leaden sequoia]

boiler + fire ex

maximum BB HE counter

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Visual bug my dude

[shy hazel]

its a good thing

[odd schooner]

You can't go 10/10 on first batch

[steep fog]

hmm gotta go fast huh

[lime rivet]

If you were logged in when rollover happened

[zenith tundra]

bb meta is here

[leaden sequoia]

fast and fireproof

[trail elm]

oh yeah, i actually dropped the boiler for fire ext

[lament lichen]

ok time to bring out mutsu

[trail elm]

juneau is doulbe boilers though

[leaden sequoia]

oh god

[steep fog]

not torpbulge?

[trail elm]

i was logged in when reset happened

[zenith tundra]

my mutsu way to underleveled

[leaden sequoia]

isn't Jun with 2 boilers too fast to die

[trail elm]

HP + speed to fk with enemy shots

[lament lichen]

just need to lvl her now with lvl 8 skil

[leaden sequoia]

damn, I have a leftmost at 292 and I'm at 1110 at 0 points

[trail elm]

works for me i guess. i'll switch around, see what happens with bulge + boiler instead of 2x boilers

[leaden sequoia]

I think that's 124 or 125 points

but I'm not sure

[zenith tundra]

i use
yukikaze boiler fe
juneau boiler bulge
belfast boiler pearl

[trail elm]

maybe i can drop 1 boiler since portland r is carrying beaver badge anyway so speed may be diminishing returns

[zenith tundra]

no beaver used tho

2sg on amagi and sg hsfcr on nagato

[odd schooner]

Do you guy have the updated e_hp calculator?

[shy hazel]

i dont even know what that is

[zenith tundra]

u could ask in help i don't

[leaden sequoia]

there was one recently

few days ago

in help

[zenith tundra]

it calculates effective hp of ships for different equipped auxiliaries

so u can see which makes ur ship tankier

[leaden sequoia]

oh github link, even better

https://github.com/MajorProcrastinator/Auto-eHP-Calc

[versed atlas]

Another day of no nagato

[lament lichen]

time to fork it