pvp

[versed atlas]

and they have absolutely no hp

[real notch]

YKKZ gets into situations like this

[blazing scroll]

Pretty much

[real notch]

with 1 boiler she will dodge the shit out of all shells, all CV airstrikes

[versed atlas]

2x toolbox on ykkz is like +50% hp

[ionic magnet]

yea happens a lot

[versed atlas]

boiler means that your ship will go eat all the enemy torps tho

cause your sweep area is much bigger

[zenith tundra]

fe toolbox is best for nanoda

[blazing scroll]

What gear do you use on your VG? @real notch

[versed atlas]

if i could make my VG stationary i would

[real notch]

naw, that's why you put YKKZ in the middle

[blazing scroll]

My VG power is lower but maxed

[versed atlas]

so they would stop trying to eat all 13 enemy torps

[real notch]

and torp suicide ships don't usually survive after 2 torp strikes

so YKKZ is generally safe from torp VG

not to mention she has 25% of nullifying the dmg anyways

@blazing scroll 1 sec

[versed atlas]

juneau needs retro

[blazing scroll]

Sure 👍

[versed atlas]

sje

she's not good enough!

[blazing scroll]

[blazing scroll]

Yeah I already had a feeling you use the twin 100mm

[ionic magnet]

im like "hey two enemy VGs just died to opening torps"
then sees ykkz at full hp and proceeds to evade til 3rd airstrike

[versed atlas]

huh, no bulge for belfast?

[buoyant parrot]

I would love to share my gears but that is until I'm no longer using them

[real notch]

that's a current test i'm doing

[buoyant parrot]

well for my VG's at least

[real notch]

originally she has bulge but

[versed atlas]

wait

you have 2x rainbow torps?

wat

wait no i'm blind

i'm sorry

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[real notch]

i believe rainbow dildo is better as an option overall

[versed atlas]

i use the same ships, but i put them

[real notch]

so i'm doing a test

[versed atlas]

juneau, belfast, ykkz

[real notch]

my positioning is belfast, juneau, YKKZ

[versed atlas]

so i was looking at the middle part and seeing a rainbow torp there adn was thinking that top one had it too

huh

why juneau in the middle?

also wait

why is your orb on belfast

[real notch]

because she can't sit bottom

if she sits in bottom position

[blazing scroll]

Because bel dies first

[real notch]

she will blow up from amagi barrage and torps

[blazing scroll]

So she heals the rest

[real notch]

before airstrike even hits

[versed atlas]

but why would you want bel to die first

isn't it much better for juneau to die first?

[real notch]

because belfast is tankier

no, because juneau will overheal

[versed atlas]

wait

what

what server do you play on?

[real notch]

also, juneau needs to be alive for airstrike

so she can AA mode

[versed atlas]

i've never seen belfast die that early

[real notch]

in this current meta, any normal ship you field bottom will instadie

[versed atlas]

well, sure

[buoyant parrot]

I want the Armor Piercing and the salvos its perfectly in sync with Wash armor breaking effect

[real notch]

that's just how the stats and skills add up right now

[versed atlas]

but i'd rather it be juneau

cause she brings much less as a fighting force

[real notch]

yes, but as i explained juneau will overheal

[hot creek]

sure she can die that early, if you're using rainbow dildo

[real notch]

and preferably she should be alive during enemy airstrike so she can AA mode

[versed atlas]

ap gun?

ap gun?

[blazing scroll]

I haven't experienced the instant death tho

[buoyant parrot]

yes AP Gun

as I've said armor break

[real notch]

the instant death happens on defense fleets

[versed atlas]

oh yeah

[real notch]

which is what we are itemizing against ofc

[versed atlas]

they did add the armor break mechanic now

good point!

triple oath tho

[buoyant parrot]

my VG gears is a secret until I'm no longer using that VG Line up

[versed atlas]

i can never compete with that

[hot creek]

time to use suicide torp VG with amaGIGA backline with all AP main guns?

[real notch]

lol looking at that fleet power i can already guess

it's 2x rainbow dildo

[buoyant parrot]

good good some peple already know what the gears are

[real notch]

isn't it

[buoyant parrot]

but who which has the gears is a question... except for Jesus you know the pearl is always hers

[versed atlas]

has to be dildos

can't get those ships high enough otherwise afaik

he probably has a rainbow dildo on juneau

that's pretty smart

[real notch]

uhh what's your VG

[versed atlas]

cause juneau's torp stat is lower

[real notch]

jintsuu and YKKZ probably

have the dildo

[buoyant parrot]

[real notch]

i did also consider having dildo on YKKZ

but don't you wanna proc her heal skill

[versed atlas]

how much xp do i need to save up for 120?

2.3 million?

[real notch]

you want her to be active for as long as possible

to reduce backline dmg and heal it

[buoyant parrot]

and that is why she's mid xD

[versed atlas]

yeah, that's why i run 2x toolbox on my yykkz

[real notch]

ahwell

[buoyant parrot]

smart guy~ is figuring things out by himself good good

[real notch]

xd

[versed atlas]

i dont understand how you guys can play with engine

it makes the VG just ram enemy backline

and eat all the torps

[blazing scroll]

But nobody knows what I use on ykk

[real notch]

yea VG ramming backline is pretty annoying

[buoyant parrot]

[versed atlas]

your ykkz is probably naked

[real notch]

but eating torps is not that likely

[versed atlas]

idk, i find that when i make my ships faster

[real notch]

well, at least for my testing

[zenith tundra]

look at all this meta slaves... this is a good enough comp to kill meta too

[real notch]

god damn i wish someone could test my fleet

[versed atlas]

my VG sometimes literally rams the torps FROM BEHIND

as in, the torps have already passed and they sail into them in reverse

[blazing scroll]

I wish somebody could test mine too

[dry socket]

how well would a juneau-belfast-yukikaze vanguard fare when faced with an essex-wasd backline?
would want to prepare early for essex

[real notch]

yooo i hate it when that happens LOL

[buoyant parrot]

I like yukikaze naked... oh wait we are becoming degeneral where the degenerate people hangs often #al-general

[versed atlas]

i wish this game had friend pvp

so you could do test exercise vs friends

[blazing scroll]

That would be great to test things

[versed atlas]

subs in pvp when

[blazing scroll]

Like being able to attack somebody def without costing rounds

[real notch]

i'd like to test against your fleet zack

after totu tested it now i'm curious

[zenith tundra]

just need 4 chips for 110 belfast lol

[blazing scroll]

Pray for the right com

[buoyant parrot]

it'l be nice if you got 3 so you're missing 1 more and that has to go to the next day... Ahh the feeling of annoyance

[real notch]

i kinda do wish for the top fleet to be amakaga instead of wasda....

i spent 2 weeks maxing my sendai only to use her for like 3 days

feels like such a waste

[blazing scroll]

I never used mine

[buoyant parrot]

tell that to Zack

[zenith tundra]

nakaga not dead yet

[blazing scroll]

She's still lvl100 too

[buoyant parrot]

he always tends to do wild experiment

[versed atlas]

oh man

ohhhhhhhh man, beaver on amagi is funny

[real notch]

yea i am also kinda hoping nakaga will become meta

[versed atlas]

i still think the pvp reset thing is kinda dumb

[real notch]

i would only need to raise nagato

[versed atlas]

but i think what's the dumbest is the way points are given

[real notch]

[versed atlas]

because you're basically encouraged to sit at the back and never get your pvp to 0 until near the end of the 2 week period

[zenith tundra]

@versed atlas i tought that too but in certain situations u canno reset even if u want to

[real notch]

probably unlikely though, namagi is like some god shit

[versed atlas]

and it's annoying because reset is at 4am

[real notch]

you mean sandbagging?

yea it's dumb

[versed atlas]

i don't mind the sandbagging itself

[real notch]

it's not even based on your fleet strength

[versed atlas]

i mind the fact that the best way to play is to log in every hour

check if you have an opponet that you can attack for more points than standard

[real notch]

it's just based on who can better manage their tries (AKA who camps PVP lobby the hardest)

[buoyant parrot]

would be nice if they remove the "RESET FEATURE"

[versed atlas]

attack if it's there and then put off to getting to 5/10 fights until the next set of pvps is given

yeah

i don't like it

[buoyant parrot]

you laugh you lose

[real notch]

i hope they remove reset feature as well

(though RIP to my reset test data)

it's for the greater good of AL PVP

[versed atlas]

i think we should have some practice mode with resets

and then no resets at all

[blazing scroll]

I would love something like a daily amount of pvp attempts and that a match is counted as a loss when quited

[versed atlas]

cause it's kind of silly that you have to fight hundreds of fights

[blazing scroll]

In order to refrain people from resetting tries

[versed atlas]

and if you lose like 5, you're basically out of the top 500 or something

[ionic magnet]

pvp channel so active wat

[versed atlas]

sucks for people that can't play all day

[zenith tundra]

or wrong time zone

[versed atlas]

like if you miss even one reset worth of pvp

your chances are ruined for the 2 week period

if you miss 3

i'm not even sure you could momentarily hit the top ranks

[blazing scroll]

One of the resets is at 3am for me

[versed atlas]

to get your exercise points

yeah, 4am for me

it sucks

[blazing scroll]

It is pretty easy to hit top ranks honestly

[versed atlas]

well, if you miss 15 fights

[ionic magnet]

hardest part is not missing any matches really

[versed atlas]

i'm not sure how easy it would be

[blazing scroll]

If I empty all my tries now I would be at spot 1

So far missed 1 fight

[buoyant parrot]

I miss 3 attacks I over slept... Right there and then I forfeited this season right away, Impossible to be on the top 100

[versed atlas]

i missed 4 or 5 as well this time

[ionic magnet]

i lost 1 fight thanks zack

[zenith tundra]

that avrora pvp for u

[versed atlas]

but i'm gonna continue cause i want my exercise points

[ionic magnet]

[versed atlas]

i once ran out of gold purins

NEVER AGAIN!

[blazing scroll]

I am stacked on purins

[versed atlas]

i have like 8 of them

but you can never have enough!

[blazing scroll]

They take too much space atm

[zenith tundra]

14 wastes space for me

[hot creek]

you can defintely have enough, there's only so many SSR in this game and like 90% of them are not worthing raising anyways

[buoyant parrot]

I hope Kizuna Ai Ship is OP for PvP~ I'll 100% oath and name her Wakyu ~

[blazing scroll]

Got more rows filled

[zenith tundra]

lol

[blazing scroll]

Got like 30 of them

I stopped buying them from guild shop and exchange

[ionic magnet]

when you have an MLB'ed Black Heart, that says something

[zenith tundra]

@ionic magnet i'm sorry for asking to test that... i really wasnt expecting to be any good

[versed atlas]

sheesh

[ionic magnet]

im just kidding xD

yea didnt expect it too tbh

[ionic magnet]

i didn't get to test with sendai tho

feelsbad

[versed atlas]

why is your tirpitz not awakened

[buoyant parrot]

until now no Sendai for me

[ionic magnet]

maybe ill stay at 4/10 or 9/10 just to find you again lol

[blazing scroll]

Mine isn't awakened too

Because DoY and Amagi

[versed atlas]

huh

[hot creek]

awakening pve ships

[ionic magnet]

awaken black heart

[versed atlas]

i've awakened belfast, ayanami, amagi, akagi, kaga, phoenix, juneau, enterprise, unicorn, sodak, akashi, helena, jintsuu, washington, portland

tirpitz, ykkz and z23 and only one awakening (to 105)

[blazing scroll]

Why no DoY?

[buoyant parrot]

no regrets to 110!

[versed atlas]

shes not high enough level

lol

[ionic magnet]

oof

[versed atlas]

oh i just awakened hiryuu too as i started leveling her towards 110

oh and aurora

so i don't see how you wouldn't have enough to awaken tirpitz or at least cleveland!

[blazing scroll]

This is why

[versed atlas]

why are you collecting it tho

[blazing scroll]

No need to trouble myself with lvling more ship

[versed atlas]

i see

[coral wren]

So all the ships u use are 110 now

[blazing scroll]

I was thinking to lvl the chinese sisters

Yeah

[modern tree]

I have 1k chips and 15 ships at 110, I am not sure how do you ever run out of those

[versed atlas]

hey

[buoyant parrot]

Also thinking the same thing if I should Awaken China Sisters

[versed atlas]

would mutsu work once nagato comes out?

so backline of nagato, amagi, mutsu

[blazing scroll]

I mean they are pretty great for pve

Not really oil conservative tho

[buoyant parrot]

well you can't conserve oil in CH11 anyway

[blazing scroll]

True

[versed atlas]

ehh

i think you can

[blazing scroll]

They can clear ch11 easily at lvl100

[versed atlas]

i ran

amagi, akashi, unicorn, phoenix in ch11 for clearing fleet

with threat i'm sure it'll get even better

[blazing scroll]

But that fleet can't clear large main fleets

[versed atlas]

sure it can?

[blazing scroll]

Try it

[versed atlas]

i cleared ch 11 like that

that was my cleariny fleet

[blazing scroll]

I used it too but had to dodge large main fleets

[versed atlas]

well, i can't say that i didn't get lucky, maybe i did

[buoyant parrot]

I simply follow this
https://youtu.be/w6vT5tcoUyM

[random vault]

powerpoint3c

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[hybrid tendon]

@modern tree 15 ships at 110 is easy if you level blue / white ships

it cost 600 for an SR to awaken

we all got almost the same amount of chips anyway

[random vault]

did any of you bought chips using core data

[blazing scroll]

Hell no

[hybrid tendon]

i havent

saving core data for shells

atm

[blazing scroll]

Waste of core data

[hybrid tendon]

1600 for both shells

[elder crane]

You eventually get enough chips
Core data will always be in demand though

[modern tree]

I mean, not all of those are common

[zenith tundra]

15 ships lvl 110 and 400 chips

[hybrid tendon]

nice flex

I have about the same

[zenith tundra]

@elder crane before shells there's nothing to get with core data

[hybrid tendon]

just save 1600 for shells

I was about to buy the skyplane

for science

[zenith tundra]

we don't even have cv aux as well

[hybrid tendon]

hmm

speaking about hiryuu

gotta get her up as well

I'm still in the middle of getting ws up

[zenith tundra]

i leveled up ws by accident when i thought she was actually good

i think i just had copies of her for mlb

[random vault]

havent touched my hiryuu since she got parked at lv100

[hybrid tendon]

ws kai is the best unit in the game

until enterprise kai that is

[random vault]

ive been doing stupid shit like mindbreaking lusty

[hybrid tendon]

[zenith tundra]

i didn't bother with hiryuu till like 2 weeks ago after reading the jp report and ended up oathing her

[random vault]

and sandy ofc

[hybrid tendon]

also you could save the chips for instant 120

as well

if you are super tryhards in pvp

[ionic magnet]

enty kai owarida now deals 3x dmg

[hybrid tendon]

thats like 8k chips

or sth

on second thoughts

thats actually a good idea

🤔

[zenith tundra]

u cold save for 1 comp over that not much point tbh

[hybrid tendon]

eh

getting SR to 120

is a lot of chips

115->120 is 1k

[zenith tundra]

i could start saving after nagato since i'm done with pvp ships

[blazing scroll]

1.6k for 1 ship

[hybrid tendon]

Y E A

well

[blazing scroll]

if it is a ssr

[random vault]

i can technically go for lv120 akaga

but my frontline still needs lotta stored exp to reach 120 lel

[hybrid tendon]

just get a lineup of 110 to clear event maps

[coral wren]

Pls do go 120 akaga so we can have ez wins :3

[hybrid tendon]

then save for instant 120

you have to understand

you are also ez win

every one beat everyone in pvp

[random vault]

win win situation

[hybrid tendon]

i just do not bother with def fleet

and just field my waifus

[coral wren]

Akaga is no stall

[hybrid tendon]

in swimsuits

or some meme shits

[zenith tundra]

7hrs later someone in my list moved

against a wasde

trying against this and lost vg literally 1st airstrike

this is the result

hiryuu is a god at tanking foxes dmg lol

this is without losing vg

[storm pasture]

How can hiryuu counter fox sisters?

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't die for 15 secs and when she becomes invincible she launches an airstrike

pretty much u get 2 airstrikes when she's supposed to be dead already

[storm pasture]

Does that skill active make her airstrike reset its countdown?

[zenith tundra]

nope

it's just extra airstrike

doesn't affect normal airstrike timer at all

she can literally launch 2 airstrikes at once

[storm pasture]

@Z4ckFairX#034 her double airstrike can kill fox sisters?

[zenith tundra]

her dmg is ok right now. after kai in that window she can get extra barrage as well

pretty much she can finish opponent fleet by herself with kai while invincible

yukikaze and juneau help her being alive long enough for her final counter to not activate too early and just fully hit opponent main fleet pretty much

[storm pasture]

@zenith tundra why are you testing with baga on the fleet?

[zenith tundra]

i'm actually testing both baga and hiryuu for namagi

weird enough those 2 + amagi is actually a good comp by themselves

plus i really want that ijn buff on amagi

without needing to swap belfast or juneau

[storm pasture]

Amagi, hiryuu, nagato, ykkz. Thats 4

How about hiryuu sister?

[zenith tundra]

i would've tried amagi hyuuga kai and kaga bb before nagato and i wasn't expecting nagato so early. my amagi kaga bb was supposed to be used with hyuuga kai before i get nagato

the problem is that rabbits are slow and without extra skills from kai versions it just end up being a worse akaga

[zenith tundra]

there we go full 110

[grave gale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/bbly1k/en_early_apr_2019_postvisitors_dyed_in_red_rerun/

In case you don't notice the link at the bottom. Data from the JP server
https://pastebin.com/raw/gwJnehfN

[modern tree]

I always wonder why is this guy wasting his time to look at top 100 mid season as if people who care about rushing their attempts wouldnt default to foxes.

also essex e with nagato, finally, some good fucking jp data

[zenith tundra]

that's a nice meme tho

[grave gale]

I'm sure he just wanted to get a sample before Nagato drops.

[modern tree]

it's every time this guy posts tho. Every time its mid season. Every time none of his data will show anything other than 70% of people that rush top 100 mid season use foxes. Why bother

[grave gale]

Most people do run foxes though. It's easier to gear them up than wasd. Wasd requires a bunch of gold SG radars to be optimal and Washington was only available for a limited time. Wasd is also much slower. Matches drag on a lot longer with it. Which is why I personally don't use it.

[modern tree]

While it's hard to say that foxes arent just the easiest fleet to get up and running, since the essential pieces are farmable and gear for them is rather cheap to upgrade, gathering data on top 100 mid season and calling it "meta report" feels increadibly silly

[grave gale]

On sandy I encounter a wasd group maybe 1/5 of the time I encounter a fox. There's not a lot of them thankfully (they're a bitch to fight against)

[zenith tundra]

even on avrora there are very few wasda

i have a hard time finding one just to test some stuff

and what u find are either unoathed or with underleveled vgs

[split socket]

maxed stuff are generally hard to find in sandy

[grave gale]

On the JP data, double foxes still heavily outnumbers Nagato + Amagi groups.

[split socket]

even when it comes to amakaga

[blazing scroll]

@grave gale If you ever encounter my wasda, I would love to get some feedback

[grave gale]

My feedback is I hate fighting them. Foxes air strikes feel like it tickles them.

[blazing scroll]

They do

[modern tree]

playHMS

[hybrid tendon]

well theres not much wasd could do if amagi and the first air torp wave wipe the frontline

the second torpwave would kill them

they have 2x/3x secondary guns

but still

https://i.redd.it/5rx5vmul8ao21.jpg

and we all know how terrible wasd at VS frontlines

those shots never fucking hit especially if that frontline has boiler or sth

[outer stump]

What you all think about the nagato apparency?

[hybrid tendon]

a strong unit

she might replace amagi

or ppl might run namaryuu

[outer stump]

I will still use wasd whit enty

But for some reasons I will max nagato too

[hot creek]

We've had this discussion a billion times over and it seems people still don't get it. Literally all wasdA defense needs to do to in order beat amakaga is to have Junuea live long enough to heal some damage from the first airstrike, which is really easy to do with Belfast/Junuea/Yukikaze front. If the Amakaga isn't running a Junuea themselves at this point, it is over for them. x3 BB secondaries will shred any surviving VG coming at them before they can even get a proper 2nd wave of torps in and wasdA will just tank the rest of the airstrikes and wipe your backline. It's kind of sad we are getting Nagato so quickly before people realize how cancerous a wasdA truly is in the current meta.

[outer stump]

I mean I use Juneau but the thing is in offensive it's pretty hard whit them

The downside is that the VG battle is actually much closer to your backline and chances to get an ayaya 3000+ crit Torp in your face are pretty high

[grave gale]

Cancerous but slow. Matches on average will take twice as long.

[outer stump]

I mean it happens to me once to get SD passive proc'ed because of some fking torps

I hope they do better in deff

[grave gale]

If you don't run belfast in defense against foxes with a torp vanguard, you quickly get ran over. Even with wasd. They need belfast to truly be annoying to fight against

[outer stump]

You say so?

[grave gale]

I have mixed feelings about Juneau. As I have for a long time. In defense fleets she's not all that useful. She usually dies within the first 10 seconds of torps before the foxes air strike goes off. If she dies that early then it's a waste

[outer stump]

Well pretty lazy to rise Juneau's level but however

She has pretty high AA tho... She manages to survive pretty nice

In my team...

[grave gale]

If she survives long enough for the air strike

I'm talking about fighting defense teams.

[hot creek]

that's not even wasdA lul, and yeah I was talking about wasdA defense from perspective of amakaga offense anyways.

nothing matters now, just use nagato and autowin. whatever

[outer stump]

Ok then I joined the wrong chat

[grave gale]

If foxes don't kill the vanguard on their first air strike or soon after then it's likely a loss.

I'm curious how much Belfast's smoke will help against Nagato. Right now it makes a huge difference

[outer stump]

If they use oil tank I don't think they will secure the vanguard's that much well

But surely it will hurt for backline

[hot creek]

belfast smoke will always be a decent check against foxes. 35% damage reduction aint nothing to scoff at.

and that's not even including the evasion you get

her smokescreen literally just does that straight up

[outer stump]

I mean... How much damage will nagato barrage make?

[modern tree]

all of it

[grave gale]

I think with big seven sakura. It's who triggers that first wins.

[outer stump]

I mean I won't see balance anymore....

[modern tree]

not ever again, no

there is only dumber things from now on

between bunny kais and warspite

[grave gale]

I am surprised with how little enterprise and essex fleets are there in Japan with that data posted. I guess it's too rng for most people.

[modern tree]

and whatever new PR ships will turn out to be

[outer stump]

Instead of keep adding new ships "in order to change the meta" they should do some balance changes to some ships too imo

[vague token]

lol balance

[modern tree]

you say that but that would undermine the basic principle of this game, which is harem anime power trip. Making things that people got attached to weaker is a huge no no

[outer stump]

I mean you're right but... Sometimes you just want to play for the sake of the gameplay

I mean sometimes you forget what you're actually playing

[vague token]

if anything they'd have to buff only to avoid making people angry

[outer stump]

Oh true

[vague token]

in a sense, it wouldnt be too bad

sure there's power creep

but there's a TON of underperforming ships

in both modes

it's not like you can field all of them at once

and everyone costs oil

so i dont see the problem honestly

would help pvp out a lot to see more alternatives

and more choices to deal with common threats

more ships with belfast smoke would be nice

not like they stack

so i dont even see the problem

[zenith tundra]

+1 this reset 🇫

[wicked rivet]

enterprise retrofit when

[split socket]

never cause she got scrapped

[hazy rain]

nerf prinz

[vague token]

lol

[dull hollow]

i actually wonder how the nakaga vs namagi matchup goes

namagi missing a strong 3rd still

[vague token]

just use whoeverrrr

xD

wasnt there that older list that just put a doge in the third slot lol

anything goes!

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu is surprisingly good actually

hyuuga kai and kaga bb are options aswell

my hiryuu is still 105

oof

well i levelled mine exclusively in dorm and comms kek

[silver root]

my vg lives more often than my main now after I added yuki

[ionic magnet]

cos yuki is a cockroach

you can use all the evasion debuffs in the world and she can still last for a minute if she wants

[silver root]

beautiful cockroach

flexing on the gun-less foxes after amagi dies

[vague token]

her torp barrage hurts too

just set her on fire/flood with sara ;)))

[ionic magnet]

or you know just.. reset

[vague token]

well, hyuuga kai fire + nagato

is going to be a lot of burn damage

cause of the raw fp stats

[zenith tundra]

nagato has less base fp then amagi

[silver root]

maybe i can finally break out my bae victorious now that we are going into a double/triple bb meta

and other hilarious jokes i tell myself

[vague token]

i meant hyuuga since she already buffs fp by like 35%

on herself

xD

[zenith tundra]

i use fe on my yukikaze for a reason

[vague token]

same

[shy hazel]

im prepared

[split socket]

is that a 3 or an 8

[shy hazel]

what 8 are u talking about

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

i only hav 61 coobs

[split socket]

[zenith tundra]

[vague token]

i have 300+ cubes, but not enough gold to use em all

xD

[zenith tundra]

did u already whale for nagato?

not like they don't break purchases with patches

[shy hazel]

pleb

[vague token]

seems legit

[shy hazel]

👀

[split socket]

[zenith tundra]

40 draws not even enough cubes for that tho

[shy hazel]

lol i shouldve put mine as impt

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

oh i still have that mail

15k gems

[zenith tundra]

is this meme channel rn

[shy hazel]

its the calm before the storm

meta changing after a week

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure by tomorrow we'll see some def comps with nagato already

[shy hazel]

got but gon be joke anyways

cos skills lol

[zenith tundra]

not much more of a joke then amakaga def tbh

[shy hazel]

gotta grind nagato n event

im also going hiking again tom so will be late

assuming ill get her in my draws

lol

[zenith tundra]

can we get a 8mins maint pls... at least i won't bore myself at work so much

[buoyant parrot]

10/10 PVP LIVE now
https://www.twitch.tv/etherstarnr

[vague token]

what a hero, pvp streams

[buoyant parrot]

I already dropped out of this season so why not share how I decimate Amakaga fleets with no reset

[zenith tundra]

those hakaga foxes are so weak

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

😂

[zenith tundra]

that's how nakaga will be too

[buoyant parrot]

Namaga is what I'm scared for

[vague token]

i might try namagi/sara kai xD

just cause im using dork anyways

i think it is fine to swap nagato in

[buoyant parrot]

did you see that??? Pearl on Amagi!!! that made me chuckle

[zenith tundra]

i don't even pay attention to memes

[buoyant parrot]

why em I being matched against this plebs

I need 110 full fleet

match me to the people that are here please

[zenith tundra]

i'm 390...

[shy hazel]

im q86

186

[buoyant parrot]

ohh finally something decent at least somehow

Oh noes Amagi didn't proc

[zenith tundra]

ovarida 30% hp of yukikaze

[buoyant parrot]

lol

immortal YKKZ

last match is decent

[zenith tundra]

no rings tho

[buoyant parrot]

food for thought

sad la

thats all folks

[zenith tundra]

u made some sandbaggers happy

[buoyant parrot]

yup

I'm so excited for laters patch... Kwakaze skin and that lewd Nagato skin I'm so twitterpated w

[zenith tundra]

have u seen the original jp twitter post for nagato skin?

idk about kawakaze skin is just inverted colors with some extra detail

[ionic magnet]

i like kawakaze's default skin more

dem i missed the stream

[zenith tundra]

kawakaze looks cool with that art style but at the same it's kind of weird too

[shy hazel]

mmm

but i heard kawa is shit

[vague token]

her skills are too niche

but technically they're ok for torp memes atm

since you gain damage on light and cruisers

which is basically meta minus ykk

[buoyant parrot]

@shy hazel she is shit but I just want her as torphy waifu

[vague token]

i kinda want to try montpelier, but she needs many levels still x-x

[buoyant parrot]

I kinda don't wanna waste purins for now

saving them for Nagalewd and Kawakaze

[vague token]

clearly you just gotta get lucky and build dupes

xD

[buoyant parrot]

I'm not lucky I just force whale

[vague token]

oof

[buoyant parrot]

well I'm luck at Yukikaze tho

[shy hazel]

when u build 10 kawa before nagato

[vague token]

kek

[buoyant parrot]

[vague token]

i usually get 1 copy, then after i mlb with bulins i get extra

and im like >___>

[hazy rain]

raise dupes!

[buoyant parrot]

MY BODEH IS READY

🇳 🇦 🇬 🅰 🇱 🇪 🇼 🇩

[zenith tundra]

i have 14 purins hope no dupes

[buoyant parrot]

who is 3rd ship for Nagama hmmm

I wanted to use BBKaga but mine is hmmm meh...

[hazy rain]

Hyuga almostkai?

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga kai should be better then hk

[hazy rain]

why tho? doesn't she lose guns for jokes of planes?

[zenith tundra]

the 3 chioces are baga hiryuu and hyuuga kai

she gets like 150 aa

considering how amagi and nagato have pathetic aa she is a good choice against cv comps

hiryuu is bad against enty for example

she launches at same time and end up hitting cloack like amagi

[hazy rain]

she definitely looks cooler as kai

wait do the chibi in-game models actually get bigger or is that just a wiki coincidence? xd

[zenith tundra]

the images may even be a different size since thay are most likely scaled

[leaden sequoia]

looking from wiki metadata (pre-Kai: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/File:HyuugaChibi.png, Kai: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/File:HyuugaKaiChibi.png) I would say just a wiki coincidence

they were uploaded at different times and by different people

so most likely were ripped from game files differently as well

[zenith tundra]

i hate that new opponent button position so much. end up hitting it all the time by accident

[shy hazel]

score check

i think zack alrdy pass me ytd

almost no bonus

[zenith tundra]

1787 9/10

[shy hazel]

still same score

[hot creek]

same

[zenith tundra]

good luck with that then because i cant find anything that moves after 1st bonus

[lament lichen]

rip

[shy hazel]

i wonder if miffty will still move

[zenith tundra]

i camp same list for 2/3 of a reset

[shy hazel]

hes 129 rn

gunning on him

holy shit

darkova is also in my list

[lament lichen]

im waiting for wenitas to push his other 5

[shy hazel]

when will he take top 1.again

[lament lichen]

he needs dst to help him out

[zenith tundra]

if i dont get another bonus this reset i might just intentionally forget to do my attempts... this season sucks so much

[hot creek]

on sandy, you could lose a charge and still get #1 feelsgoodman

[shy hazel]

normally we have 40 points gap vs top 1

lol

its only like 20 rn due to season reset

[zenith tundra]

its 15 rn over rank 1

[sharp obsidian]

Need some Amagato tips. Who's the 3rd Main Ship? 😄

[hazy rain]

doge

[shy hazel]

its gonna be tested later

hyuuga kgbb or

hiryuu

[hot creek]

Mutsu

[shy hazel]

hey dont give fake tips

this isnt #gameplay-help

[hot creek]

why everyone gotta hate on Mustu feelsbadman

[zenith tundra]

40% barrage. u already have 1 no need for more

[shy hazel]

shit stats

[leaden sequoia]

we just need a 3rd b7s to make a Mutsugato + whoever happens to be the 3rd

[hot creek]

40% is gud enough 👍

[hazy rain]

BIG SEVEN!

[hot creek]

Radar E is 42%

and people reset for that

[lament lichen]

3rd ship gotta be akashi man

[leaden sequoia]

reset for 2 big sevens

16%

[zenith tundra]

if i have to reset for my own team to do stuff id rather just scrap them and build another team

[hot creek]

don't worry, you'll be resetting anyways everytime your nagato fails to proc while enemy nagato manages to proc 100% 👍

[zenith tundra]

best thing against nagato are foxes tho... maybe i should use nakaga with 2 ryuusei and remove her before she does anything

[shy hazel]

im so busy rn

might as well do last two rounds

before i forget

[zenith tundra]

maybe belfast smoke will be useful against nagato too not only akaga

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm I'm kinda thinking of switching Jintsu into Belfast or Eldridge when Nagato starts to get rampant...

what do you think Zack?

[zenith tundra]

eldridge is a troll if u dont kill her fast she ends up making ur vg everlast

i fought a eldridge today and the vg died after main fleet because of her

[buoyant parrot]

well yeah... that's what its supposed to do... but that is also a double edge sword coz if Jesus won't die YOU DIE

[hot creek]

lol why are we even discussing eldrigde with nakaga imminent

[buoyant parrot]

well when her OR procure you get saved from enemy BIG SEVEN - SAKURA strike

saves you from Resetting if yours didn't trigger

[hot creek]

pretty sure she has like zero chance surviving airstrike

[buoyant parrot]

who Edlrdige?

mine always survives. Proper gears

it survives 2-3 air strike before it goes down

not unless you get hit by concentrated torp barrage then you die

well you die anyway regardless of what VG you have if it got hit by a concentrated torp barrage

[hot creek]

must be facing some shit comps i imagine.

[zenith tundra]

eldridge is rarely a problem even for amakaga

the problem lies with bb comps

[hot creek]

but whatever. good luck with Eldridge in the incoming nakaga meta

killed by ambush airstrike LUL https://puu.sh/Dd3xt/81bb28f34e.png

[buoyant parrot]

yeah, will have to check which is more viable I guess... I'm leaning towards eldridge as of the moment but also looking at belfast

[zenith tundra]

i want to see how hard nagato hits. u might need belfast just for nagato lol

[real notch]

eldridge will not become meta

[buoyant parrot]

she's not

[zenith tundra]

if not sheffield would be interesting to try for vg tankiness

[buoyant parrot]

but she's also a good counter for Nagato

whell if her Operation Rainbow trigger

[zenith tundra]

less rng based then belfast

[real notch]

eldridge was meta in 20 sec bomb meta with wasd and enterprise

but with foxes, she's terrible

a delicious 2k HP DD debuffed by aurora sendai

yes please

the foxes would stuff a 2000lb bomb down her throat

[buoyant parrot]

I don't think Nagaka will be meta

what's scary is Namagi lol

[real notch]

ye i agree

but if it's namagi, then we have great reference material in CN/JP servers

because their meta currently has namagi

and eldridge is not being used there lol

[buoyant parrot]

welp I guess im sticking bellfast again in my VG taking out Jintsu

[zenith tundra]

1827 5/10 reset into a dead list ofc

2 out of 3 serious battles were hiryuu mvp

[shy hazel]

time to apply as mods people

[lament lichen]

[cerulean estuary]

[vague token]

patch oh boi

[shy hazel]

I cant complain if i apply as mod and i dont think ill get accepted

[zenith tundra]

i might apply too

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

gonna be nice modding this channel before i get demoted

[shy hazel]

apply fast phx

[hot creek]

if they make me a mod, i vow to crusade against the lolicons and degenerates and make this christian server great again.

[shy hazel]

else we cant spam emotes here anymore

[buoyant parrot]

🇳 🇦 🇬 🅰 🇱 🇪 🇼 🇩

[sharp obsidian]

@shy hazel KGBB is in contention? 😮

[zenith tundra]

where do i see what i need to do to apply for mod?

[shy hazel]

#server-news

[zenith tundra]

ty

[shy hazel]

cant say lazu chan

kgbb is coin flip soo

[sharp obsidian]

How about Bunny?

Bunny not viable?

[shy hazel]

bunny is good but well

still not that good cos no kai

[zenith tundra]

kaga bb barrage dmg can bring a fox to half hp against amakaga

and that is without nagato buff

imagine on a fox without amagi def skills and with nagato buff

who said she isnt good either are biased or just never used her in pvp

[leaden sequoia]

I don't think people are saying BBaga isn't good per se, rather that 50% is too unreliable for what it delivers

[zenith tundra]

kaga bb barrage is as strong as amagi lol

[vague token]

which is why we need oxytorp on all ships

[leaden sequoia]

like, people are generally okay with Nagato's 40% big seven and not just because she buffs IJN to begin with

[vague token]

so we can buff her guaranteed torps ;)))

[zenith tundra]

i get her negative sides but thats far from not being a good ship in pvp

[real notch]

You have my vote Phoenix

[zenith tundra]

after i finish my hyuuga kai gonna switch to hyuuga amagi kaga bb before nagato to see how hyuuga is

[shy hazel]

are u done applying as mod zack

[zenith tundra]

yes now not like they are gonna choose me... also that was a pain to do on phone while at work

can we vote or something?

[vague token]

lol

[ionic magnet]

i tried to apply but then gave up when i saw the questions. im not about to type 1000 words with phone

[zenith tundra]

i left the optional stuff optional

too much to write

i would be like if they pick me lol

[vague token]

id be like that if any of us get picked

gotta get dat pvp squad representation

[sharp obsidian]

Ditto that

Presently, PvP Community is largely ignored

Would be great to have a Mod that represents us

[zenith tundra]

i think all clubs are pretty much mods free

[sharp obsidian]

Yes. But aside from Dorm, the only other club that is an intrinsic part of the game is PvP. There's a whole game mechanic centered around it.

Yet it is largely ignored until we make a big enough of a ruckus that they finally give us a bit of attention.

[ionic magnet]

nani

there's a dorm club

[zenith tundra]

there are more clubs then i last checked

[shy hazel]

so youre applying for clubs

pvp 90% others 10%

[zenith tundra]

im only in 1 club

[hard citrus]

Why hyuuga kai is bad ? -> aviation bb

Change my mind

[buoyant parrot]

I'm only on #pvp

[shy hazel]

hyuuga kai is actually the only bv thats good

what u smoking

[ionic magnet]

[olive thicket]

Ise Kai is pretty strong too

[maiden agate]

You will want that "aviation" title when the shits start falling from the sky

[mental sierra]

all my gold is going to building and I have bad luck so no Hyuuga and Ise retrofits for a little while. Mine're ready though

[zenith tundra]

i have 120k gold and i dont think ill be able to retro hyuuga from beginning

[hot creek]

its all RNG mang

could get nagato in one roll

or never

[zenith tundra]

the never part is out of the question lol

[hot creek]

I pray for your wallet

🙇

[zenith tundra]

i dont think ill need my wallet for draws

my wallet is empty or almost all my money are in my credit card

if i dont get nagato before next daily reset without whaling ill quit al

[hot creek]

if i can't get her first day, ill just go back to 7-2

7-2 is best waifu

[elder crane]

Heh, CN I got Nagato last day of the event, don't lose hope so quickly~
120k, which is 80 rolls, gives something like 15% to not get Nagato, and over the event, you should be able to farm at least that amount of gold again

[hot creek]

why does everyone have 120k gold. even i have 120k gold

[elder crane]

I only have 70

[zenith tundra]

i dont want to see 7-2 again (or at least till next event)

[leaden sequoia]

this event has sirens, I hope those drop a solid amount of gold along with purple plates

[modern tree]

Is quitting AL over not getting Nagato some sort of ritual I am not aware of? This aint the first time I see it

[ionic magnet]

not getting nagato is a real possibility tbh so i'd rather not partake in that ritual

[versed atlas]

@modern tree nagato is too good to play without

if other people have her

[maiden agate]

You could try to beat her with Wasd like a masochist

[split socket]

ppl quit all the time when they can't get the ship they want, especially now for one that will heavily affect meta

[maiden agate]

[modern tree]

People said the same shit about Amagi and I dont see it.

[zenith tundra]

just a way of not whaling for her

also if i quit al i can save money

[split socket]

also time

[versed atlas]

well, you're not gonna see it, cause the people who quit disappear?

they're not gonna tell you how they quit a montha go, because they've, well, quit

i can't imagine, for example, doing any pvp if you dont have amagi nor washington right now

you pretty much need one of those ships atm

[maiden agate]

I would still do it, for the points not for the rank

plenty of meme fleets that can be beaten

[modern tree]

"i can't imagine, for example, doing any pvp if you dont have amagi nor washington right now"

ha ha

DONT YOU KNOW WHO I AM

[ionic magnet]

excuse me i rolled hood enty qe while everyone uses amakaga

they're not optimal but very useable (with a lot of resets) xD

[split socket]

ppl keep forgetting HMS exists lul

[modern tree]

HMS beats everything atm no sweat. You can get unlucky just like any other fleet, but it doesnt make them bad. I have never gotten walled fore more than one game.

15 mins before Maint I fought Tobi and deRicks and their fleets are pretty fucking scary, beat both first try

[split socket]

it'd be interesting to see how they will hold up against nakaga / tenryuumon

tbf, Amakaga defs are trash xD

[maiden agate]

Not enough dmg

yet

[split socket]

ur hms performs way better than any amakaga I've fought

[ionic magnet]

avrora has no maxed hms i swear

[modern tree]

I am gonna try them against Nagato anyways. Shells are coming sometime.

[maiden agate]

It was black shell first together with battery I think?

[silver root]

What's a good hms comp for PvP? Dork/QE/hood?

[modern tree]

Both Dork and Warspite work, believe it or not. Beating foxes is about your vg having a proper comp and equipment, and beating wasd+1 is about not getting the absolutely worst rng possible that would make you lose.

Just a disclaimer, when it comes to HMS the most important thing is leveled equipment, then correct equipment, then leveled ships then correct ships. A lot of weird shit works if the idea it covers is a good one.

[haughty latch]

Yeah I'm sitting getting nagata but probably won't stop using HMS

Still

[shy hazel]

any nation can work pvp with good gears

as long as its not kms

[modern tree]

Good luck with not quitting AL, people.

[mental sierra]

Got Nagato, so I'm safe

Still need Kawakaze before event ends though

[buoyant parrot]

EZ GAME EZ

[modern tree]

looks like I am not quitting

[buoyant parrot]

Got all of them already

game are you even trying?

[zenith tundra]

nagato 1st build

kawakaze 2nd 10 build lol

[lament lichen]

Gdi im just missing kawa

[versed atlas]

no nagato

rip

[buoyant parrot]

hahahahahahahaha this event its not even trying lol~

[trim horizon]

not enough golds for Hyuuga kai

[zenith tundra]

sleepwear skin from box.... i think i just rekt all my luck forever

[buoyant parrot]

in 60 rolls I got them all already 😂

[lament lichen]

Ha

Triple nagatos

Cant get a purple boat

[ionic magnet]

looks like somebody should balance out your lucks

60 rolls no nagato no kawakaze kek

[versed atlas]

well there's still the 2 weeks of the event

but chances just plummetted after no nagato from the cubes i had

[shy hazel]

no nagato

[leaden sequoia]

think of it the other way, if you couldn't get her now, you have higher chances to get her later compared to those who got her already

[zenith tundra]

done building

[leaden sequoia]

and you didn't have to pull out 💳

[ionic magnet]

what higher chances

[lament lichen]

Rerun

Add more boats to decrease it

[leaden sequoia]

higher chances assuming uniform probability distribution ofc

[zenith tundra]

i knew the game didn't want me to stop spending money on it

[ionic magnet]

maybe i should do that ritual 👀

[buoyant parrot]

omg my bank is on maintenance... Can't use my CC to purchase stuffs to buy me some clothes for my Kawakaze and Nagalewd

ez game 6 x 10 rolls = Got em all 😂

[stark raft]

40 cubes no nagato, my luck eventually ran out

[zenith tundra]

i had like 280 cubes and now have 220 so gg me

[buoyant parrot]

now its time to build the cancer

[zenith tundra]

i'm done with all ships already

how would u equip bbv? sg cata or double sg?

[buoyant parrot]

bbv?

[buoyant parrot]

oohh

I'd probably put 2 SG on it

GRATZ men

[zenith tundra]

gratz

[buoyant parrot]

lol

[modern tree]

I'd totally ignore the aviation part because one wave of fighters is probably really wasteful to play for

[zenith tundra]

guess still mg shoot are the deal

curious about this

[shy hazel]

last 3 rolls got nogato

[zenith tundra]

gratz

[shy hazel]

got all cons ship now

domo ty

time to roll special daily for subs lul

[zenith tundra]

kawakaze barrage

[buoyant parrot]

I'd probably save gold again and cubes, for Kizuna Ai thingy~

[lament lichen]

Affection farm time

[buoyant parrot]

@zenith tundra im curious but replace Hyuga with Nagalewd

[zenith tundra]

wait a bit for at least lvl 80-90

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

i want to try out hyuuga as well

to see how she performs

because rn Hiryuu is my favorite by a large margin

[buoyant parrot]

my hiryu is ready max affection and max skills but it aint 110

[ionic magnet]

ok plan B how to counter namagi without nagato

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm....

[modern tree]

you dont wait for PR probably

[zenith tundra]

use hms (maybe)

[buoyant parrot]

well I guess wait for Warspite Kai or Monarch lol~

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

good luck

[real notch]

Omfggg letsgooo 2nd roll nagatooo

[zenith tundra]

i got nagato literally 2 built ship

[livid fractal]

I got freaking hood instead

[buoyant parrot]

I need dupe Kawakaze... I have no more purin to spare for her

[real notch]

Relatable pfp switch... You can do it

[shy hazel]

medallized hood asap

[zenith tundra]

hmm

[shy hazel]

dont forgrt hyuuga also boost other bb dmg

[zenith tundra]

i know that maybe i should switch to 406?

[shy hazel]

i think wasted

410 prolly btr

[zenith tundra]

can't wait for 1600lb bombs on seaplanes

hiryuu is definitely safer against amakaga

had to reset once because got vg demolished

[buoyant parrot]

Hiryuu with whom?

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu instead of hyuuuga

[buoyant parrot]

ahh exactly my plan

lol

but I want to know if BB KAGA is better

[zenith tundra]

dmg wise i would say 99% better

[buoyant parrot]

oh

[zenith tundra]

i just want to see the difference of her buff with nagato and amagi over bb kaga dmg

i would say hiryuu should be 1st choice against foxes by default

against bb for now baga>hyuuga but need more testing

[buoyant parrot]

okay I look forward to the results

[zenith tundra]

lvl 18 nagato still a loooong way

lvl 1 barrage is so not even close to what it is at max form

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[shy hazel]

ill prioritize barrage for lvl grinding

[buoyant parrot]

oh shoot which reminds me... I have to train her SKILLS X____x

[zenith tundra]

13mins before i can start leveling her skills

[dry socket]

Nagato's Big 7 wipes out glass cannons, doesn't it

[dull hollow]

i wonder how mutsu does as your 3rd for namagi

[buoyant parrot]

no

she sucks

[dull hollow]

EN dont have competitve 3rds tho

[buoyant parrot]

use BB Kaga or Hiryuu instead...

[zenith tundra]

10k pts gonna take a while

[dull hollow]

no taihou, no hiryuu kai

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is decent enough for now imo

[dull hollow]

kaga is 50%

mutsu is 40% but beeg beeg barrage

hiryuu not having access to 818s puts her in an odd spot

or did you guys get 818s already

[zenith tundra]

no 818

[dull hollow]

[zenith tundra]

but still good counter to foxes imo

[dull hollow]

818s are great for solo CV esp if they can't deal damage

since they'll slow the front at the same time Amagi fires 2nd time

[buoyant parrot]

Nanoda and Jesus complements Hiryuu good enough for her to stay alive longer and be able to dish out more damage

[zenith tundra]

i'm hoping they add stuff in core data already

[dull hollow]

back when Namagi ruled in JP the top contenders were Taihou vs Hiryuu k

basically the prinicpal of bringing so much upfront power vs backend backup

with the scuffed nature of EN's 3rd rn I think Mutsu/kaga end up being similar competition but

that would mean SL10ing and 110'ing a mutsu

tho I guess you could just raise a 2nd mutsu to level 70 LB0 and keep her as an oversized monitor

which is a semi popular strat for some ppl

[zenith tundra]

that strat seems cool tbh

[buoyant parrot]

I refuse to cary a Lv100 mutsu in my back line... Not very eco friendly

[finite valve]

the purpose of a monitor is to cut cost

using an "oversize" monitor defeat the purpose

[dull hollow]

there's a band of difficulty where bringing a monitor is too hard

but an oversized monitor is cheap

it was a niche setup and half requires you to waifu value mutsu/ijns

[finite valve]

using 0lb ship in "hard" content

i see you are one of those M

[buoyant parrot]

I can't even get my self to oath Mutsu in the first place