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when you cant do anything else.. you pray
well, what do you have?
Do you not hqve juneau
sometimes i wonder why i cant get in top 1k even with amakaga 
What boats do you have that are leveled
uhh
Juneau just dies and heals nothing else
let me screenshot
Get foxes...?
You have foxes, why not net deck
Doesnt matter if they are better sara and enty are holding you back more in this matchup
I can't win realiably either
heavily reliant that sara doesn't die and can launch her 2nd airstrike with her skill + enty always procs E
Gotta reset like 5-10 times
i'm thinking of subbing cleve for yuki
ever just have amagi refuse to fire barrage even after 3 times shelling? 
maybe get the cranes
cranes aren't good in PvP though
Take out laffey or cleve for yukikaze
They take too long to stack damage
Dunno what lvl your juneauโs heal is
lvl 1
yeah idk how effective clevebro is in pvp
Honestly Laffey does so much damage even in PvP for me
cleve dies last
20k sometimes
for me
You probably want aurora
Yeah...
true
Can't get her
Thats fine
the important skill is the yellow one anyways 
She only need to live long enough for the first air strike
But its more on your gear
my gear is all the best
+9-+10 rec
but at high rank
their gear is similar
plus my akagi is only at aff 107
can hms win against amakaga?
I tried HMS got salughtered
if i have belfast takao and aurora how should i arrange them?
bel > auro > takao or takao > auro > bel
Takao front bel mid aurora back
i have pearl's tear on aurora normally
Will this get worse with Nagato?
aight, so torp bulge n kit on aurora..
pearls and bulge on belfast and oxy torp and beaver on takao. thats fine right?
idk, amagi has better overall skills for pvp imo
ageless phoenix - enemy offense stats
blue skill increase eva and dec fire dmg
and her barrage can hit all 3 backlaners
better than hood basically
Nagato has big ass gun though
nagato will buff CV's
akaga's strike will hurt more
if u have north cal shouldnt u has washsd?
i only got sodak recently
washington's barrage is less impressive than amagi's
and overall i've beaten all washsd without trouble
sd + wash + soiryuu usually beats amakaga
don't have that one yet
Sd\washi/amagi beats amakaga alot
thats just from what i seen
i started after amagi event so all i have is enty + lusty and praying to rngsus for lucky e against amakaga
defend is meme
14k front line is actually easy to kill
Does defense actually do anything?
highest ive seen in 14k + 13k
frontline in general is easy to kill
Having a defense is just there to stall
belfast always survive the longest in my pvp fleet somehow..
where do you put her
front lol
Depends on your team really
You dont really need her
i mean aurora is usually enough
since I feel if enemy Vanguard is fast enough. her flare is basicly useless
She just guarantee the kills in the flare
bel have camo n kit, aurora have camo and bulge, and taco have beaver n tears rn. is it ok?
wait tears should go front..
Honestly i would put takao in front
put bulge on bel instead of camo
aight, also why takao front?
do you have anyone besides taco?
I prefer belfast to live longer than a CA
leveling up ykk, need one more purin for mlb
even with bel infront she still survive longest somehow...
You can run juneau for heal
yeah juneau would be great
i dont have her trained
maybe portkai or jin or something
ok so, taco > bel > aurora for now?
Replacing takao means yiu lose amagi cd reduction
you dont really need taco ever
unless the fleets youre going against arent too difficult
a lot of ppl in our server run really weird fleets
see this is why im confused..
so its not that hard to beat em
my rank is 1785 rn
if i sandbag casually and maybe even miss 1 or 2 exercise i can still get aotn
wait till last moments b4 reset
Doesn't that only work for the first opponent?
Its where you purposly have others use their attempts and farm extra points off them
No
It works for all 5 opponents?
You can get it as long as the score difference between you is a certain amount
the way points work in pvp is the larger the gap between ur points and ur opponent, u receive more points from a win, and when u close and reopen the game, ur opponent list updates
so u just wait until someone in ur list attacks
usually ppl just relog every hour
how do you know their points tho?
to check
you dont, but you can guess
Too much work
like
You can check their scores if they are top 100 thou
I just do it once
i still cant do it 
just focus on getting as much pts as u can at beginning of season
then from then on to end of season just wait til last 30min to do ur matches
ive been doing this for a while now in washy and it hasnt failed me yet

I lose some matches though
cuz I pay no attention
Also I have to reset opponents sometimes since I can't beat any
pain
yea i lost like one or two
Isn't it better to fight not the left guy if you can't win
once u get ur fleet up and running it'll g et much easier
should i yuki or aya? to replace taco. i might replace bel too
also when nagato is out would it be preferable to have a full IJN fleet or still have aurora in?
hopefully i'll get her
you can just run both
Hiryuu is not kai though
running both means semi wasting her barrage tho.. amagi's
still good for stalling
amagi's barrage can still hit enemy vg sometimes even if shes not flagship
but yeah that'd be a hard def fleet to beat
hiryuu has the skill non kai?
i got +4 so far this reset 
i assume you went back to 10/10?
hiryuu is bot that bad tbh. this was against non oathed amakaga with jesus aurora belfast vg
i did go back to 10/10 when weekend ended
i mean
she gets a lot of airstrikes
she has problems against wasda sometimes cause they have dat aa
but against akaga, getting 3 airstrikes in 2 airstrike time period is strong
i wouldnt use her against wasda in namagi so it doesnt matter tbh
yeah
so what kind of pvp setup should i expect once nagato drops?
as in, what's the 3rd backline ship for pvp?
first two are obviously nagato and amagi
hahaha oh wait, you guys discussed this exact topic
yeah, i was thinking hiryuu too
would kaga (BB) be any good?
i dont think kaga bb would be a good option
well if u want to rely on her barrage that is
Hiryuu without Kai is still good?
Yes
still very good and 100% safe to run since u have 15 secs to pause reset if u need to. her dmg is ok and she's good counter to akaga
kaga bb should be inferior choice to hyuuga kai for 3rd spot but idk how much dmg hyuuga kai does. kaga is ok against bb since her torp can actually hit static ships in backlines and if her barrage procs her dmg is really good
Kaga BB has higher raw stats and damage
If you are running namagi
Probably just g for hyuuga kai

u run hyuuga to boost nagato and amagi dmg
That should be awhile
Getting nagato to 110 200 affection
Is not that fast

Not to mention 10 skills
you don't even know man
im gonna use nagato as soon as she hits lvl 95+
amagi hiryuu should be enough to carry against amakaga
Tbh nagato is a GREAT unit
But not imbalanced
Unlike fucking ws
Super unfair unit
who dat?
warspite retro
For PvP?
yes
wont use hiryuu prolly so red should br pvl 8
at that point
i never run out of books

I never have books
Not enough
i use t2 all the time on filling ships
t3 when im sleeping too
t2 during day t3 over night
though i also run 8 hour merchant books
we need another event like fw or wc
fo the shitgood books bps abd plates

i remember using like 95% t3 on amagi skills i got her max as fast as i could
well you only need one t2 , one t1, then the rest t3 to max a skill
Unless it's tier 0 ships like amagi
I don't have enough books to max
if u don't have books i can see not macing skills but really no reason to not max otherwise
Only got like 20 t3 books of each kind
just rushing for that one week im the only maxed nagato advantage
thats more than enough to max a skill

i have like 15 t3 red but who cares
I mean it's enough for 1 ship
for pvp
But I tend to level a lot of different ships
since around 7 is pretty optimal
in terms of books
Yeah me neither
i always focus on good ships 1st then just wnd up leveling filler ships all tye time pretty much
boats that have a niche use
i always have chaser in there for subs
i started leveling my hiryuu agaion
I still don't have akaga maxed
@versed atlas good choice
but it's gonna take a while to get to 110 from 100
it took me more to get her to 200 affection then from 100 to 110
i dont have rings anyway
my hiryuu is only level 50 
i cobbled together enough gems to get that 2 ring pack when it was cheap
used one on amagi and saved the other for when nagato comes
My hiryuu is 58 lol
original i had unfortunately used on enterprise way back when
well, maybe not unfortunately
she's definitely not useless
and in terms of looks she's the one i'd want to ring the most, because i think her default skin is terrible
i hate that hat
i use taco just so im only half meta 
also why does 99 -> 100 take more xp than 109 -> 110
kochidayo intensifies
5/6 meta anyways
Unless you want top 100 doesn't matter
do you guys think mogami might be good?
I get top 100 for the points anyways
mogkai is good for mobbing iirc. not so much in pvp
not for glory
why not though?
lol
oh i just realized my hyuuga isnt maxed yet
i generally max skill all,ships i use most cos ocd

working on hyuuga to 110 atm
just in case
well she's good for pve anyways even if i dont use her
xD
man
i'm so starved for books
except blue books
i should level barrage first on nagato, right?
that way i can level her up faster so i can get her into pvp faster
barrage first
if you don't get nagato from the event, do you just quit pvp?
I never missed a ship
i almost missed shoukaku in the last event
and that icnreases my chance of missing nagato
i'll quit mobile games if i don't get nagato
Not happening
i could easily quit mobile games, i've done it before
i have 350 cubes
I quit life if I don't get nagato 
just kidding i never had a life anyways
raid yostar HQ and demand them in person
nah
I've gotten all the shit I wanted within 100 cubes so far
Just do 3 builds a day
don't rush
There ya go
i got everything every event within like 50 cubes. until yukikaze, bitch took me 250 cubes
3 builds a day
100 cubes
not gonna wait 2 weeks to get nagato 3 builds per day.... either day 1 or whale
That's why we hear about the tragedies
day 1 baybeee. powercreep ship can't afford to wait
im stacking gold rn 77k just in storage
seriously I was getting triggered seeing all the yukikaze secretaries in pvp
I started playing on the first day of crimson
Thought I wouldn't get Amagi
Just did 3 builds a day and got her eventually
patience
nagato is one of the ships i wanted from when i started playing like a personal goal
Same
Same dw
But can't get impatient
reason to play AL = Nagato
im still waiting for that nagato sleepwear tweet
Many degens
o.O
dont mean to be rude but getting all desired event ships from 3 builds a day just means u're lucky af
not everyone has that kinda luck
Spamming is worse man
I usually do like 40 or so on first day
see what I get
and then go from there
thing is most of us have surpluss of cubes or gold
You actually don't have the gold to do that anyways
I do
i used to subscribe to the 3build a day theory till i kept missing ships
you need 200k gold to spend 400 cubes
I have 200k rn
I can't afford to waste any regen

my cubes are barelly 275 rn cause stupid monty and subs
can farm that much in like four days ez
gold isnt used as much once you maxed out the stuff you need
so I keep my gold under 50k
Gold's uselrss
Only late game
When you retrofitted everything
I am not there yet
hyuuga retro is coming too and i need her too
uh i stayed in 3-4 till i was commander lvl 70 so
I was 75
i didnt bother with 3-4 at the beginning
ALso I never build anything unless I actually want it
so never built during china event
never built for subs
i have yet to miss 1 limited ship
collection % i dont care either. all i want is every ship in my dock
I only really care if I will use the ship
or it looks nice
Otherwise it's w/e
Like I didn't try to build victorious cuz I'll never use her
i got vicky before sirius and sheffield
I didn't even care about sirius that much
Just did the 3x build
Only spammed until I got sheffy
sirius is goos tho
Yeah, I was thinking of spamming more on the last day if I didn't get her
For me it's about picking the battles I guess
Cubes is always gona be around 20 or so a week
most ppl here are hardcore pvp players so nagato that's gonna rule pvp till ws kai is like a mandatory ship
Yeah I am most likely spamming for nagato until I run out of gold
It's a personal thing
Been waiting for this since I started playing
I just got aurora should I put her in pvp fleet?
Lol kaga bb?
yes
Need more oath
Run belfast or Aurora?
as good as nothing. wasdA only works if their junuea doesn't get whacked in 2 seconds.
and an underleveled VG is not gonna help with that
it didnt get wreckt in 2 secs... have u see my backlines?
hiryuu launches at 22secs
amagi top
how would i kill vg before 20secs?
my is also trash with jesus and lvl 105 belfast
oh, just assumed you were using foxes.
lol
if you dont use aurora against an aurora. youre at a disadvantage isnt it 
No lol
if u dont use aurora with akaga u are at a disadvantage
You guys put different fleets for attack and defend?
Aurora on defense is kind of bad imo. she too squishy and I've found that non aurora torp fleets can still easily fuck you up if bad RNG.
how do i get vice admiral?
there is a guide in pins with the ranks
i put different fleet, a non mlbed ykk on defense replacing taco on offense
wasdA is my defense and I use foxes for offense.
is just only me didn't use wasdA?
I don't have washington
i joined during CE, dont have washington 
We started same day pretty much
CE?
crimson echoes
I started first day of CE
oh
i dont use wasda because i prefer ijn comps
Untill Essex
easex only works against nakaga i don't rwally see her that good against namagi
and don't get me wrong essex is one of the 3 cvs i like the most with sara and centaur
essex is a qt, ima ring her. why must I punish myself by ringing ships I like instead meta ones 
such is life
essex stacking doesn't even proc against non cv comps
+2 already... wtf is my luck this 2 last resets
i prefer BC + E
what do u mean by bc + e?
Dis
idk why u would use laffey in pvp but whatever
meme power fleet 
i would like my gold bulin payout thx
Sorry, Summoner! That command is out of date. Try .$ or .$$$. ๐

I see Nagato + floofs with jintsuu Sendai and aya
juneau/belfast/aurora are still good so
But then whoโs the third backline?
not really a fan of sendai and aya but yea definitely another option
hiryuu is still good even with no kai
Hm
I have a lvl 100 hiryuu for retro
Might use her
I raised her for the retro
But now I can use her when Nagato comes out
if you have a full Amakaga fleet, you could temporarily shift to Nagato-Amagi-Akagi. Make use of the Preemptive Strike skill at least
keyword here is you have a relatively maxed akagi. why not use her as a transitional while raising your final piece?
that is, if you just want to stay IJN. you could still nab Saratoga or Enterprise if you need a non-IJN CV
oh, okay then. just mentioning that here, honestly
leveling up backliners is really easy so it should never be a problem
between ykkz and columbia/any other flagship protecc, you can probably run solo backliners anywhere below w9
so yea, getting from 1-110 is like maybe a week if you are lazy
if its a bb that can easily carry herself it takes way leas then that
D o you guys farm maxaffection for the 12% stat ?
for cv u can solo run them in lower worlds. i leveled up my hiryuu in 7-2 easy enough
if i oath a ship is for the 12% stat boost
I generally oath ships I use except for SD so yeah, all of them are at 200 affection
It sort of gets there all on its own
man, another person added me in game for pvp advice, this is whack
2 and 4
2 of 113 and 4 of bofors
should give you close to optimal aa for most setups
unless you are using carriers than just one 113 and fill everything else with bofors probably
Okay, guess I'll farm more Bofers
ce gave me one and a half
i'd rather farm 5-4 then 11-3. no point in wasting so much oil
how come #pvp is more on general topic than #al-general people there are like most of the time degenerates... 
anywho... do we have any skill list already for Shimakaze??? or any datamine thingy?
i know nothing of what i suppose are new pr ships
its not gonna be our business for awhile anyways
Is the ships from the PS4 game are there skills similar to what we have here in mobile?
oohhh so not even skills no details for PS4 game
playing al on ps4 and it's the same thing 
but skill wise no info yet? right?

en version if theres gonna be one
should taje awhile
i can read jap so i can just play
let us know if skills are pretty much the same
coz if it is, we already know what's coming for us
__>
go steal your friends PS4 then
not gonna buy a ps4 for a half-assed al game
or buy me the game, I'll go streaming and tell me what to do lol
unless rune factory 5 becomes ps4 game
its like you who will be playing but im controling
or harvest moon

no touvh
i wouldn't buy nintendo consoles... there are emulators and for ps4 mostly of the stuff is released for pc too so rip consoles
last offtopic but
ill buy switch at rune factory 5 release
mmmm
got nagato in my super pleb jp accnt
she seems hard to grind abit
How to get 14.3K power in vanguard 
bel aya jin has pretty high power, u can reach 14,3k with them if u equip at least 3x rainbow oxytorp although I don't recommend doing it
@split socket why ? Too unbalanced? Without beaver ?
because you lose too much hp when u sacrifice the aux slots for the extra torp stats. In the current meta, the main damage dealers are ur backline, torp front is nice and all but they need to be able to stick around long enough to be able to protect ur backline
being alive also means more dps done, no use having super high torp stats if ur dead
finally isss confirmed this week
i just realized sirius boosts the accuracy of cv guns
based on the wording
or it should
that sounds extremly relevant
I am pretty sure Sara can't miss
not in the game mechanic sense, she misses a lot in the "shooting in the way opposite of the enemy" way
she needs glasses
yeah
i dont get why the shots split in 1 salvo too
like what is this wild targeting
why arent they parallel like literally every other CA gun X_x
oh yeah it misses
at least on things like smoke
and amagi buff
it might have default 100
what are you guys gonna run for namagi 3rd ship
all the current options should be: hiryuu, enterprise, hood, dork
Hyuukai
btw nagato CV buff doesn't include BBV
yeah
only CVL/CV
because of the way it works backend
it just gives CV/CVL a damage boost im pretty sure
so it would boost BBV guns
well it says so in the skill description soooOo
oh yeah, i mean like the reasoning
xD
presumably it would also buff Houshou's gun damage
IF SHE HAD ANY
all big sevens are 40
but when big seven sakura triggers
it murders everything
unlike standard
xD
just use baga for more coin flips
dafuq, i coulda sworn sakura big sevens were higher than USS big sevens...
like procrate
(and hms big seven)
guess i was wrong 
are there any other sakura cvs with damage sources that arent planes
i think it's just houshou
maybe dork might be good, since slowing down VGs would make it much easier for shit to hit
nani
LOL
0lb Langley has a gun 
no way, i thought that barrage hit VGs
also, welcome to AL Req, enjoy your stay

yeah dork uses her Normal Ammo Quads
to shoot at the farthest target
Normal
Quads
she misses less than warspite at least
well shit
xD
hyuuga kai would be what i would use
if i was an ijn purist
but im a mix fleet (except hms =/)
hmm yeah ijn has no gun or torp cv skills
rip
maybe hyuuga yea
i would have to see her PVP performance first but
hiryuu without kai would be depressing to use
:l is it weird that hiryuu foxes works better for me
vs amakaga
hiryuu 109 104 103 vs 110 amakaga
probably not, because plane suicide damage is way too much pressure for soft foxes protected by evasion, which doesnt do much
I see
cus I cant I just cant
handle the
uhm
sweats I get?
like this
both sides low hp
both side can be wiped o ut
from one airstrike
and I dont really use amakaga so I dont really know who will kill other first
but with hiryuu its super gucci
even if enemy vg are alive they will die from final counter
that is a yikes
and this is with hiryuu 
their vg killed mine first
and then CV killed their last vg and yeeted
yeah makes sure I wont lose
yep
but I have yet to try vs a wasda
or a proper wasda
only maxed amakagas and I know this can beat amakaga
hiryuu has problems against wasda since they can just tough out her strikes
and the timing of her final counter is different
if it rolls into strongest shield you are sad
cause then sodak invulns you back
xD
and heals 50% of it back
http://prntscr.com/n9rs2u is this a good score ? I recently got into pvp and just discovered what sandbagging is, idk if I did it right tho
Do I have to compare it to the top100 to know if im doing fine ?
u have 8 runs left still and just compare that to the top 1 and see how much ahead u would be if u used all them at once
- or - a couple points
Youre pretty far behind now if i use my score since im at 1584 eith 9/10
top 100 will probably not tell you much, good sandbaggers will not be anywhere neat there atm. I can tell you that you are half a charge behind me, and I generally am like a charge behind really dedicated people, so you aren't doing bad if it's your first season trying it tbh
if you are on sandy this is easily top 50 end of season score
oh then im fine the, since im on Sandy, but is there a time in the season where should I stop sandbagging ?
the sandbagging never ends
it's a way of life
once you start
you never stop
until dst ruins your plans
kek
(also sleeping)
on sandy you rarely stop because if you get sufficently ahead, you can just grab admiral of the neavy by playing down to 5/10 or by playing like 1 or 2 games extra
mmh I see, thanks for replying
yes
also
note that hiryuu triggers it on WHAT WOULD be a killing blow
so if she would die to a 3k aya torp
she just keeps all of that hp
xD
yeah

lol
grinding in 8-4 for xp and maya
my vanguards X-x
crap. nagato coming sooner than i thought. 7-2 intensifies
2 week event only again rip
i better fukin get nagato this time around
i don't want another 352 cube amagi again
PTSD
oh god
I doubt I will ever dump as many cubes as I did for Sheff
fucking purple ships are impossible
=(
btw i legitimately farmed like 9 ships to 110 only in 9-4
worst is if that purple ship is totally useless and just for collection 
Heh, thats part of the reason I oath my Jintsuu. she drop early so I didn't have to suffer so much in 10-4 pre danger levels
and she doesnt have the same damage boost jintsuu has
Okay 
Not a fan of sendai. If she misses her flare then it's like why are you here.
Or if she somehow dies before the first flare
sendai is more important when slow CAs pop up
aka roon
but right now we in CL and yukikaze meta
too fast

sendai only usefulness right now is to counter belfast smoke imo. she's not that bad considering how overused belfast is
with nakaga she's gonna be way more used since she should easily allow vg wipes if inside the flare
is she really better than just tossing sirius in and having no rng xD
im just not a fan of flare targetting. it completely misses VGs in like 1/4 of the time
boilers too strong
i mean u can use aurora sendai sirius too
xD
i'm not sure if u need jesus that much with nakaga or yukikaze
im planning jintsuu aurora sirius but we'll see
i won't even try jintsuu for nakaga tbh
why not she has p good torp pressure
sirius has no torp to boost and aurora is pretty bad
well, aurora at least stacks her damage boost with jintsuu's boost
aurora torps are not bad but sirius yea
with 1 carrier my sirius does 800 dmg in pve with gold quad...
at lvl 105
in 7-2
i like to put 610 on sirius anyways and she still does around 700 dmg per torp
if u want torp just use sendai then with jintsuu aurora
now time to decide who to oath after nagato
jintsuu sendai torps are disgusting yea but again not a fan of flares so 
3.5k-1k-800/900=~1.5k to whale
owo
lmao
oof
just oath all meta ships 
i think i'll go for sirius sendai aurora nakaga def since no way i'll run nakaga for offense
probably

oof
i'll oath ibuki and MAYBE roon
1 week after Nagato PR then 1 week later Iris or DC rerun. 
rip rings
i don't like jb plus u have to manual her either way
i mean she still gets half of the damage boost in auto
xD
the boost is higher than dorks
non-manual
yeah but her weapon is trash
u can miss half dmg easily if enemy moves
woo
i think my sendai is level 99 with 100 affinity, but she doesnt fit my comp so rip
waiting for nakaga? 
i'm not sure who would i like to ring after nagato with the extra one. baga is quite stronger then i tought when she procs. i saw her barrage deal 60% of a fox life
na for when roon and saint louis are being slow
actually just roon
saint louis has a speed skill
roon tank stats oh boi
xD
it doesnt work as well on saint louis cause she fast
but still important cause saint louis self buffs evasion by 35%
for 40 seconds
evasion stat
lol yeah
since she's a ca at 110 is not that good
she's basically portland with actual damage is what she looks like
she has more of everything basically
3 less evasion base at 100
but that's ok
beaver and 42 evade at 100 hits 77, increase by 35%
almost 100
that's plenty for 4.8k hp
aka same as port kai
but she also has minne tier FP and reload xD
pewpew
and 35% he damage boooost
glorious
printz retro on modernization node she just disappears from the game and u don't get to see her anymore even if used by opponents
no u
interesting that they pick the worse ships for ur retros but don't bother balancing ships at all
other than NoCa they never touch or rebalance any others ships
after release
guess they dont need to balance if pvp is only a side feature for them

the rebalances are so few that aren't even worth considering as actual balancing stuff
then why won't they just release enty retro and gg pvp
well we have to look and see how the pr2 ships are 
why do we have to sit here refitting the worse ships in the game 1st
but i also dont understand why retros are timegated
it makes sense in mobage life
older units get new limit break
even in alot more mainstream games i guess
ofc the more useless ones gets it first
lol
but we nvr see common ships being powercrept enough to beat ssr ships 








