pvp

[buoyant parrot]

AOTN still atainable

[ionic magnet]

oh my lord the complaints are worth it

[cerulean estuary]

guys dont complain at least they fix the bug and reset the scores

[zenith tundra]

hardest aotn ever i guess

[cerulean estuary]

we can all get gensui in the end

[lament lichen]

put everyone at 2200

easy

[buoyant parrot]

yes it is going to be the hardest AOTN but it is attainable... Good enough

[ionic magnet]

yea now show some love by buying some

[lament lichen]

we also start at 10/10

[cerulean estuary]

yeah im gonna put my lvl 110 bullins , be prepared

[buoyant parrot]

I wouldn't be too sure to buy gems yet... Until the next DST~

[cerulean estuary]

joke

[zenith tundra]

10/10 after reset is 1/3 of a day tho

[lament lichen]

are they fully oathed

[dense lynx]

sup bois~!

my motivation went back

[lament lichen]

only thing we really lose is the 2 days

thats like 25 attacks

[ionic magnet]

too bad thats the end of reading all these salts

[cerulean estuary]

i want players to bully my DEF FLEET 😃

[dense lynx]

so we can rush those remaining instances right?

[lament lichen]

yeah

[dense lynx]

just to gain merits

[shy hazel]

good im,satisfied

[dense lynx]

[zenith tundra]

gensui rush end season lol

[shy hazel]

complaining finally worked

[cerulean estuary]

some are expecting APOLOGEMS ( including me ) cough cough

[lament lichen]

[shy hazel]

dont need that shit

[buoyant parrot]

I don't care about the gems.... I'm just glad they heed the pvp players voice for once

[lament lichen]

gems to buy rings

[livid fractal]

Who knew they actually cared for us.. Just this once

[shy hazel]

the warning was worth it

[hot creek]

gensui rush at end is going to be hype tbh

[zenith tundra]

idk i still feel that giving day 1 score after 3 days is a pretty bad joke

[cerulean estuary]

gems are important for both F2P and P2P players

[hot creek]

but I probably will still sandbag

[cerulean estuary]

dont hate akashi's gems 😃

[hot creek]

and wait til the very end

[zenith tundra]

if they do that at least give us some room for aotn rush not just 2 resets end season

[livid fractal]

I don't need gems, I just want it to get fix

This bug has been going on for the past seasons

[buoyant parrot]

deymn Fleet Power Ranking between 7 & 8 is tight AF

[livid fractal]

And it's about time they make actions like this

[sharp obsidian]

Awesome!!! PVP reset incoming!

It seems like they finally noticed those of us in this channel 😃

And likewise, it is good to know they can actually reset it

[buoyant parrot]

yes yes good good... I'm sure Chancellor Palpatine will be pleased to hear this news

[odd schooner]

Tag him

[buoyant parrot]

[sharp obsidian]

I already have a warning tagging the Devs last night 😂

[shy hazel]

[sharp obsidian]

While fighting for PVP players rights lol

[cerulean estuary]

chancellor is busy training another sith

[odd schooner]

No not restart, palpatine

[shy hazel]

i didnt just got warned

almost banned for making fun of devs

[sharp obsidian]

Hahaha

[shy hazel]

its worth it

[sharp obsidian]

It is important that we speak up

For once the Devs actually acted

In a way that works

[buoyant parrot]

@hybrid tendon My Lord Exercise is going to be reset.

[analog hare]

Sandbagger rejoice

[zenith tundra]

to put it simple unless u hard sandbag u wont see aotn this season

[hybrid tendon]

[shy hazel]

im gonna start collecting sand and bags

[hybrid tendon]

use all your tries

[shy hazel]

[cerulean estuary]

when the maintenance ends on 4/4 , the REAL BATTLE BEGINS

FIGHT then SLEEP or
NO SLEEP then FIGHT

[hybrid tendon]

for the merits

and exp

ASAP

[shy hazel]

one missed fight means no gensui

[hybrid tendon]

[random vault]

higher stakes

[buoyant parrot]

[random vault]

this season gonna be 🔥

[buoyant parrot]

REAL BATTORU!

[hybrid tendon]

DST ver 5 when

[zenith tundra]

even being full attempts doesn't mean aotn

[hybrid tendon]

so its a pvp reset with + 300

[buoyant parrot]

time for du-du-du-du-duel~

[hybrid tendon]

you can actually get over 3k points

or can you

[zenith tundra]

-2 days + to season score

[hybrid tendon]

yikes

[shy hazel]

sandbag like a scumbag

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

u can get over 300 pts with minimal sandbagging day one and 4th will be 3 days in

[hot creek]

time to set up my wasdA fleet. Gonna need about 600 more chips

[cerulean estuary]

whos gonna 5 attemps on the last 5 minutes before RESET? hm 😃

[zenith tundra]

no one

[cerulean estuary]

haha

[hybrid tendon]

well at least we can get gensui now

[zenith tundra]

maybe last 10 mins

[hybrid tendon]

I think

[cerulean estuary]

5 minutes in not sufficient for 5 battles , 10 mins is enough

[hot creek]

depends what server you're on and if you run into wasdA or not

[zenith tundra]

should be as long as u don't have to reset

[hybrid tendon]

10 mins for 5 wasd vs wasd?

[hot creek]

people on sandy still have meme fleets in top 100

[random vault]

too lazy to gear my def properly

[hybrid tendon]

yea

[random vault]

so enjoy the lv105 unequipped sandy

[hybrid tendon]

havent put on my def fleet

as of late

[cerulean estuary]

i dont put MEME fleet on DEF , im a machocist

HIT ME HARD... GIVE ME YOUR ALL 😃

[hybrid tendon]

no

[zenith tundra]

i have 12pt more and sandbagged only 3 attempts so far

aotn might even end up being last reset for most people

[hybrid tendon]

yea

that would be most unfortunate

the REAL rush

[random vault]

💦

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner how's ur score?

[lament lichen]

im only at 412 cuz they gave me 75 points before i did anything

[ionic magnet]

hate this reset time im in the middle of work

[zenith tundra]

u would have 337 pts

[ionic magnet]

300 pts 10/10 after reset hmm p much what i have rn

[cerulean estuary]

ive got no 75 on pvp , just on my elementary and highschool grade cards

[ionic magnet]

320ish 5/10 before i used all my charges

[cerulean estuary]

379 3/10

[buoyant parrot]

have fun

[vague token]

nice gold bulin

[buoyant parrot]

of course, She is my number 1 waifu after all

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

329 5/10

[lament lichen]

"its"

[buoyant parrot]

there

[lament lichen]

buli genderless

[buoyant parrot]

[vague token]

pretty sure you should put she

xD

but i dunno

[buoyant parrot]

oh you're even right

there x2

[vague token]

i am considering trying beaver sara

since ill fix her aviation with triple gold planes

xD

[jovial sedge]

I dont even know what they did to.pvp anymore... should be reseted 10/10 I got only 5 still 50p behind

[zenith tundra]

#game-news they will reset scores to 300 and give 10/10 to everyone on the 4th

[jovial sedge]

On 4th ah

[zenith tundra]

yeah they'll give us day 1 score 3rd day of the season and we only have 2 resets for aotn

[elder crane]

Oh damn they actually fixing it this time

[jovial sedge]

Btw been wondering guy got 100lvl bullin... must be good to have everything to just loath with somth like that

Even tho my pvp fleet almost complete just oxy is +8 and onr aux is on +9

[elder crane]

How many is 300 score +10 attempts anyways?

[zenith tundra]

i have 329pts rn with 10/10

300pts is less then u get 1st day

[elder crane]

And they're giving us this Thursday, damn, AoTN window will be narrow this time around

[zenith tundra]

2 resets at best sunday (last day)

[hybrid tendon]

time for some ultra sandbaggery

[elder crane]

On the bright side, at least the initial rush won't be right during my laboratory session

Though RIP having any easier midnight rushes for people who missed/failed sandbag

[zenith tundra]

just to rush aotn u need to stop sandbagging so either aotn rush or top 10 end season

[strange shuttle]

Shouldn’t the point start be 600 or something ?

[zenith tundra]

no other choices for aotn

it should but they say 300 so it's 300

[elder crane]

Even 600 is low for when they'll be doing this, which is Thursday

[jovial sedge]

🤔 anyway fcking gacha... only thing I wanted.from this event was yuki... but no ofc I build 8skk instead and some old dupes

[ionic magnet]

you guys are forgetting we are basically getting free 3k-4k merits from this season's rewards

[pearl nimbus]

I knew something was wrong with PvP this reset 😃

[strange shuttle]

But we are starting with 10 attacks too not 5 but that does cause sand aching issues so you end up less then natural anyway on that day

[elder crane]

AoTN will likely only be possible for 1 reset

[ionic magnet]

even if we dont get aotn (if youre too casual) we are still getting same merits if not more

[elder crane]

Prepare for the omegarush

[strange shuttle]

Someone know the math or remember what scores should be around at 4-4?

[zenith tundra]

too lazy to do math

[elder crane]

By like Sat 1050 is possible iirc

And pts are more early on, so they should be giving something like 700-800 if my rough estimates aren't way off

Wait, probs not that high since 10 attempts

[zenith tundra]

day 3 with 10/10 should be 710+ whitout sandbagging

that's 40 attempts used at base score

[elder crane]

And given it's early season, some luckers might even hit 800 by then normally, huh, I was surprisingly close

Actually not some luckers, quite a few people probably

Oh, also, I just learned something new about PvP which explains why a certain effect is larger than I expected

I already knew the normal mechanics of stat scaling, a la PvE, meant 100->110 in PvP reduces CV power slightly and overall makes ships relatively a bit more tanky

Turns out, apparently ship HP modifier in PvP (aka how in PvP ship HP is about 2X higher than listed for PvE) also scales with level, so if that's true overall everything does even less relative damage than I thought with 100->110

That might explain why foxes seem to hit a cliff more so than I, at least, expected, they got doubly hit, with stat scaling screwing CVs and screwing first strike comps (and ofc ykkz release etc)

[hot creek]

yeah, people were speculating foxes getting fukt and fukt they are getting it seems.

[ionic magnet]

nagato shall save us

[coral wren]

u wont b using foxes when nagato comes

[zenith tundra]

weird to say but nagato will kill foxes all together

[ionic magnet]

maybe, maybe not

[elder crane]

Yep, the IJN nonfox comp will finally come together

[hot creek]

time for me to go back to HMS cause fuck wasdA mirrors

[elder crane]

Though I'm already using a bastard version to decent effect on offense

[ionic magnet]

people said foxes will still rekt wasda at 110 but look how it turned out

[cerulean estuary]

im still sticking to wasda sodak amagi on DEF fleet

maybe on the ATK fleet , i will consider NAGATO AMAGI + HIRYU or HYUUGA

[coral wren]

they didnt really wreck wasd at lv100 either

[zenith tundra]

namagi is a better comp then nakaga

[elder crane]

I predicted that meta shift personally Pat on back

[coral wren]

y not kaga bb with amagi + nagato?

[ionic magnet]

pls wasda is a joke at 100 vs foxes

[elder crane]

Only for def

[zenith tundra]

good wasda was still not 100% win rate for foxes at 100

[elder crane]

It already was actually on par, considering foxes didn't work on def either

Just slow with not better matchups, so not really worth using

[cerulean estuary]

to have and EFFECTIVE DEF FLEET , no.1 you should invest or focus is the VG

[elder crane]

Lolwut no, it's main definitely

Just not much variety in main

[ionic magnet]

maybe on par in winrates but considering fight durations, its still a joke

[elder crane]

True on that

I expected 110 to tip scales winrate wise, just not to the degree it actually did

[zenith tundra]

u forget amagi scaling

the more hp the more she's broken

[elder crane]

And yes, Namagi with either kagaBB or Hiryuu is my prediction

That's not really how she works there...

[cerulean estuary]

the downside of the full IJN BB backlines are POOR AA stats

[zenith tundra]

u use hiryuu to counter any nakaga defense

[elder crane]

Hiryuu shits on foxes

[ionic magnet]

its not a downside if noone uses foxes

[elder crane]

And holds her own elsewhere

[shy hazel]

[cerulean estuary]

dude , when nagato arrives will be seeing a LOT of FOXES

[ionic magnet]

me included

[zenith tundra]

i'll set nakaga defense for sure

[cerulean estuary]

they rider the META

[shy hazel]

who is garvz ingame again

[ionic magnet]

atleast until i tested them enough

[elder crane]

Namagi defense will be much better than nakaga defense

[shy hazel]

i can use meh wasda in two weeks

[ionic magnet]

we'll have both options anyway so

[elder crane]

And it's not like WaSDA will drop off the radar

[zenith tundra]

one more reason to not use nakaga

[shy hazel]

they may not

but will drop them

[elder crane]

That comp at 120 clearly edges out Nakaga, at 110 though with some missing ships/equip it should be much closer

[hot creek]

depends if nakaga can still beat stuff reliably on offense

[zenith tundra]

why would u run nakaga when u get walled off by namagi hiryuu

[cerulean estuary]

well we can test it out when nagato appears

NAGATO + foxes on ATK vs
WAS SODAK + amagi ( again ) on DEF

[elder crane]

It probs will, only Namagi Hiryuu will pose much threat on def and Hiryuu w/o Kai might not be good enough on def
And very few ppl lv hiryuu

[ionic magnet]

no harm on testing

[cerulean estuary]

i wont change my DEF FLEET

yeah feel free to get pvp data

[zenith tundra]

then how is namagi hiryuu a better defense comp then nakaga if it can wall off nakaga?

nakaga mirror is worse then u think

[vague token]

because even if you lose, you add 15 seconds of troll time

;)

[elder crane]

I think it will, it will definitely do better than the mirror comp, question is how much

[cerulean estuary]

if u want data on nagato , amagi and hiryu , i will volunteer =)

just wait a couple of days till ill get nagato to 110 and 200 aff

[hot creek]

well, I imagine Hiryuu kai isn't coming for awhile even after Nagato releases so there's that I mean.

[vague token]

o.O

[zenith tundra]

easy enough i guess. as a bb she can carry herself

[elder crane]

Yeah, when her Kai comes it's defs GG for Nakaga if many people start running that comp

But density of the comp I think will likely be low enough that it's still worth running

[cerulean estuary]

lets hope hiryu kai will come first b4 sandy kai

[lament lichen]

sandy kai

[shy hazel]

chill ppl

[elder crane]

Sandy Kai is actually an option for Namagi

[shy hazel]

no one said we getting nagato yet

[cerulean estuary]

wheres just testing hypothesis

[zenith tundra]

the thing is in jp nakaga meta there was no amagi to make stuff much worse for foxes. i think nakaga will be behind namagi and wasda

[cerulean estuary]

what if
that is
then that.... 😃

[elder crane]

Well, less testing more theorycrafting

But you have to remember this is with lv110 not 120

[shy hazel]

remnder that

nakaga meta was no more before sirius

[elder crane]

and 120 has CVs and burst both weaker than 110

[zenith tundra]

120 is another +20 aviation for foxes

[shy hazel]

sirius may meme things up

[cerulean estuary]

i hope 120 will be released or implemented on 1st anniv of EN

[elder crane]

And we missing PR and Shells

[hot creek]

im getting sirius to 110 to see if Sirius/Aurora/Sendai can punch through wasdA but im guessing no if they run yukikaze

[vague token]

sara kai is good for them

[elder crane]

All of which contributed to the downfall of Nakaga, it's an open question if that can be replicated without some pretty key elements

[vague token]

she is bulky and burn/flood isnt reduced by aa

[shy hazel]

im too lazy to grind sendai

[vague token]

and sirius boosts your aviation higher for bigger ticks

and the ticks arent reduced by ykk

xD

[shy hazel]

ykkz is becoming annoying now

its rng but she survives last alot now

lol

like last vg standing

[zenith tundra]

kaga
lvl 100 366 aviation
lvl 110 387 aviation
lvl 120 408 aviation
where is the 120 burst?

[charred sable]

4. Fix Seasonal time reset countdown

[elder crane]

Yeah, I'm trying to see if a anti-vg setup of conv torps and full Eva debuff can reduce the issue of ykkz

[shy hazel]

we won the hard fight keri

thy finally listened

[vague token]

[charred sable]

[vague token]

aka pestered them enough

;)

[elder crane]

Read my earlier comment on how PvP gets an additional level dependent HP scaling @zenith tundra

[shy hazel]

pissed them off enuf

[elder crane]

Beyond the HP scaling that already happens

[shy hazel]

i got my last warning

[vague token]

tfw the enemy fleet is so weak belfast gets mvp

[charred sable]

I actually like how everyone starts off at 300 points instead of 0

[zenith tundra]

nakaga foxes are weaker then amakaga ones and amakaga foxes don't last consistently to 3rd airstrike at lvl 110 against wasda

[charred sable]

that mitigates the initial rush

[elder crane]

0 would be AoTN actually impossible
300 already means possibly only very last reset

[charred sable]

though that will give us a smaller window to get Admiral of Fleet

[cerulean estuary]

battle of COFFEE's

[charred sable]

but I'll take it

[zenith tundra]

the only thing nakaga has going for it over amakaga is that it will wipe opponent vg 1st airstrike. it pretty much ends up with how much can ur vg do before it goes down to make nakaga win against wasda

[mental sierra]

Ayyy they're "unfucking" us slightly?

Just saw the tweet

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

barely giving us 1 reset for aotn

[mental sierra]

That sucks

[split socket]

I like it, it'll be an extra competitive season

[mental sierra]

but at least the fuckers who abused are no longer ahead

I don't even care if I get gensui as long as those dudes get punished

[vale juniper]

I just can laugh see this

Ahahahaha

I just got +15 after every battle

How the fucc they got higher than +35..??

[shell helm]

guess they're too low for you ?

[zenith tundra]

it's score based at that score u get +15 base score and since no one gave u bonus u just got the base amount

[cerulean estuary]

[vale juniper]

I just saw few hours ago there's someone got +95

[vague token]

oh yeah that xD

they probably had someone who abused

[vale juniper]

How the fucc it works !!?

[lament lichen]

thats pretty much getting rank 1

from no score

[vale juniper]

When I tried it.. Just got +15

What a shame

[ionic magnet]

we good now izfine

[shell helm]

what technic are we talking about here +95 ? oh boi highest i ever got is 60

[vale juniper]

Me the highest is +47 lol

[vague token]

im just cashing in exp

since it's just gonna reset

i got a lot of vanguard ships to level xD

[vale juniper]

I'm lazy to play this game anymore lol

[vague token]

that's why it's auto lane ;)

[vale juniper]

Better Top-up in other game

[jovial sedge]

Ur on same sandy server ye I'm behind brutally too... tho missed none expect double resets

[real notch]

ignoring people's tendency to prefer faster, shorter games wasd was always a top tier rival to foxes pre and post amagi

as it turns out amagi release benefited wasd fleets more than foxes because wasda right now seems to be the toughest defense wall crowding out amakagas

ironically

also due to diminishing returns, backline ships receive the biggest benefit from level cap increase (to 120), with BBs like washington/south dakota almost doubling in EVA (18 --> 33) resulting in big improvement in eHP

i'm not sure about CVs receiving the short end of the stick though, i mean CV usage hasn't really decreased since 110 cap release

but very interesting observation either way

[vague token]

unless the cv has a skill that scales directly with avi

they dont get much out of the levels unless they're a bulky type

like lusty

more hp for more shields =D

[leaden sequoia]

super late to the party at this point, but 👏 to everyone who survived up until ~3 hours ago

[slender bramble]

lol

[odd schooner]

Someone should ask famine what happened last season

He missed a few tries before season ended

[leaden sequoia]

kamita as well for completeness

also other big names

[odd schooner]

I don't know where kamita is

Famine always room 5

We got our request

[leaden sequoia]

a 3.2 what?

also I guess #pvp complained hard enough in #bug-reports and #game-feedbackthen

lol what is dst 3.1 then

I think I overslept that one

[odd schooner]

And as for that. Ppl who have branded pvp channel people as tryhards are mocking us

Both discord and other social media sites

[hot creek]

i imagine those who are against the score wipe must have benefited from the bug so fuck them

[shy hazel]

why do you care about casuals anyways

casuals are bad they always demand events to get more delayed

[hot creek]

I just saw a relevant quote on reddit "Don’t accept criticism from somebody you wouldn’t take advice from".

and I sure as hell not taking any advice from casuals

[coral wren]

[ivory vine]

"i didnt get this event completed cuz it's too short"

not cuz they played for less than 10 mins a day

[shy hazel]

[ivory vine]

i just wanted to pay for the monty skin when she came out

and i cant even do that

pvp is fucked and all i really care about is the merits rn

[leaden sequoia]

so, e.g. everyone has 10 base at all times and the only difference between ranks now are merit rewards upon promotion

ah, so base to depend only on your current score

gotcha

ppl wouldn't care about beating the leftmost anymore

ohh

[ionic magnet]

no resets and remove sandbagging bs imo

[coral wren]

oof no resets would make me have to actually use bis gear

[slender bramble]

and no refresh 😛

[ionic magnet]

yes thats the point

makes it more competitive

[coral wren]

so basically take pvp seriously

[slender bramble]

cull those casuals

[hot creek]

no, it just becomes more RNG

[shy hazel]

rng catered to the geared

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

wasda doesnt need much rng

[ionic magnet]

also give rewards to end season top rankers lol

[shy hazel]

id insta oath best ships

[slender bramble]

yeah

[hot creek]

sure and in the mirror, whoever's amagi proc more wins gg. no reset, good mechanic guys

[slender bramble]

would be nice

agreed

[vale juniper]

Just make PvP system like in Lineage 2 Revolution's PvP system

Whoever can reach Top 10, they will get Reward

[slender bramble]

they wont change the pvp system but they can change rewards system

[shy hazel]

rewards dont matter to me

if i see some rankings and i know i can compete

ill compete

no casual excuses

[slender bramble]

same, can always restart and have a go 100 times, pointless

[hot creek]

you could restart 100 times using a Lusty/Enty/Hood noob fleet against any meta fleet and still not win btw

[coral wren]

i remember those days when that combo was used everywhere in pvp

that was nice

[mental sierra]

there's no such thing as "cutting the BS" out of pvp until you make it not auto

removing anything else is just as stupid as what we have now

[real notch]

owo that was a good quote phoenix

[grave gale]

there would be zero difficulty in pvp if you could manual it. That was the problem with Chain Chronicle's pvp. No matter how strong you set your defensive team, it was irrelevant because the opponent played manually and there's no overcoming that advantage.

What I'd like to see for this pvp system: take out the ability to reset matches, stop with the whole "you get more points based on your opponent's ranking" that forces you to sandbag to play optimally. Instead change it to you get more points depending on how much HP you had remaining, your opponent's combined fleet strength and how fast you won. Instead of adding new ships only to new light construction, occasionally add new ones to the merit shop.

[hybrid tendon]

I'd like the pvp to remains what it is

casual

[grave gale]

At the very least they need to make it so you don't need to restart your game to update the ranking. That's beyond dumb

[hybrid tendon]

they could add friend practice matches

or stuffs like that

your suggestion is too tryharding

[grave gale]

It should update the rankings when you reenter the exercise menu.

[hybrid tendon]

its like super stressful

[modern tree]

New ui is coming

[coral wren]

when?

[modern tree]

Yes

[coral wren]

[grave gale]

no date given

but there's been several videos showcasing it

[modern tree]

It might just have all the features you want, they've shown little of it

[grave gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLfP2zitQEU

[versed atlas]

How can somebody be at 701 points already?

We've only got what? 20 fights total?

Oh

So people could do it multiple times?

Man, and here I thought that I messed up and lost like 5-10 fights by not paying attention

But if it's not working as intended then it's fine

[modern tree]

we are getting a full rollback according to #game-news so its time to just farm some merits and wait for that

[versed atlas]

Ty

[strange shuttle]

@grave gale resetting needs to be a thing because of the rng nature of matches, luck is a big part in winning or not, so if you want to take resetting out, how do you adress the luck issue that plays a big part in pvp matches? also why does it matter? you dont win or lose anything for defensive setups

[grave gale]

resetting is lame. Be a man and accept your loss. Sometimes it will be because of rng but rng is part of life. Changing the system to that would encourage people to build the most consistent fleets they can instead of relying on rng proc chances to win them fights

[strange shuttle]

i disagree then, and likely why they dont want to change it, me getting 2500 merits at the end of a season shouldn't be detminied because rng scewed me over or not, also you can't be a judge of legimtnetly disconnecting or quiting a match.

[grave gale]

Resetting is the main reason people see this game's pvp as a joke.

[strange shuttle]

again, see my above statment, your stance is not a very good reasoning in my eyes for the reasons i gave

[midnight heron]

i'll accept removing resetting if i get to control my ships 😄

[strange shuttle]

i cant even respect that line of reasoning to give it a light of day to even consider that reasonable

[grave gale]

Not getting 2500 merits is hardly a big deal. I personally have more gold bulins already that I know what to do with. Besides, getting admiral of the navy can already be luck based because there's nothing you can do if you keep getting potatoes when sandbagging.

[strange shuttle]

this is why i said i disagree at the start of that list of reasons, this is not going to be cival on that line of defense of "get rid of reseeting"

i do not care

i am not even going ot respect your line of reasons because i feel mine hold way more wieght then oyurs

[grave gale]

As long as resetting exists, it gives people reason to not care about optimization. They can simply reset until they get their desired outcome

[strange shuttle]

i disagree for the reasons i said, your reasons are not very good ones

[grave gale]

It's a very strange thing to allow resetting in the first place. Normally resetting is an automatic loss. Even if it was a genuine disconnect.

[modern tree]

I mean, I'd care less about optimisation if my games would be decided by RNG

[strange shuttle]

you might not care about those extra merits but I do, and my reasoning for having resettting is more weight then yours

i dont caare how people view it

or how you view it

[grave gale]

There's no way to tell a real internet problem from someone unplugging their router to force a disconnection

[strange shuttle]

but stop with "we need to get rid of resetting:" if you cant even bring in light the heavy rng factor in pvp

exactly

so therei s no point to fight resetting

[analog hare]

[grave gale]

they'd have to rework every skill in the game to fix the rng issue

[strange shuttle]

do you agree with doing that though? how do you adress the disconnecting and shutting game off to "reset"

[grave gale]

But even with skills reworked, there'd still be the evasion, accuracy and luck stat controlling rng outcomes

No. I think that's silly to do for pvp. Just disable resetting and make people realize that rng will not always go your way so do your best to minimize rng as much as possible. Find the best consistently winning fleets

[alpine finch]

Resetting in this game is a weird concept

Only game I've played where losing has no consequence

[strange shuttle]

this is why i said i cant even respect your view point because you dont seem to think about how to actually solve the situation to make no resetting viable

[grave gale]

there is no way to fix the problem without changing the game entirely

[alpine finch]

I also reset and just torp heavy either ends early or I lose

[midnight heron]

losing only has "no consequence" if you dont value the merit you earn

[strange shuttle]

so that is where we are left with, me disagreeing with your idea that we need to remove resetting, unless you have way to fix the above issues.

[midnight heron]

not everyone shares that sentiment

[alpine finch]

I mean you just reset till you win

[analog hare]

PvP is a joke

[alpine finch]

I don't agree or disagree with it, it's just how the game was made and I continue to just have PvP as weekly bulins

[strange shuttle]

it is a joke but i still collect merits for bulians and such, and my progress shouldn't be effected for that, just becaue some people wat pvp to mean something in epeen war, when it does not even make sense anyway because of the rng factor

[midnight heron]

besides @grave gale you've just said it yourself why it's pretty much impossible to remove resetting: reworking the entire game's mechanics at this point is too much work

[analog hare]

you will always win every fight in PvP, otherwise = reset

[strange shuttle]

and hoesntly i was hoping to run into point thoery crafting to advice what they should start off us on the 4th not this , lol guessi m mathing it myself

[alpine finch]

Rng in sandbagging, rng in positioning

[grave gale]

No, "too much work" would be making it so games aren't so rng based. They wouldn't have to do that to get rid of resetting

[modern tree]

just for the record, even if you could aim your BB guns, the MGM shots are random so pvp will always be RNG, it doesnt matter what you do, if you have control or not, whatever, its not going away. Resetting is necesary to make this mode into something more enjoyable than merit farm because thanks to it you can: see an average outcome of games instead of polarising ones, play more than your daily allowance, compete with worse comps and gears, try oddball stuff that isnt the most efficent etc. Just accept the game mode for what it is

[grave gale]

Just force people to deal with the rng outcomes instead

[strange shuttle]

manuall jsut lets you dodge tops and such it would be imbalanced and give huge advanage of the attacker

so i dont see the point

[grave gale]

but the developers don't really care about pvp in this game. They make no effort to improve it. It's just an obligatory thing to include since it's a staple for these kind of games

[midnight heron]

i mean i don't completely disagree with you, but the current pvp "state" has already been ingrained into our minds, if you get what i mean

[strange shuttle]

lunar

[alpine finch]

Attackers already have a huge advantage tho

[midnight heron]

if the game had shipped without resetting, then this discussion wont even happen in the first place

[strange shuttle]

you did not give a single suggeston how ot improve it without great drawbacks

[alpine finch]

20% damage

[strange shuttle]

this is prob why they take the stance they do

[grave gale]

manual would let you dodge enemy torps without problem and facetorp them to ensure easy victories

[strange shuttle]

because its too much overhuling for no gain

[modern tree]

GFL doesnt have pvp and it's a fine game

[alpine finch]

Idk if people had to get better gear for pvp, that sounds like a lot of gain

[strange shuttle]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh that was a thing when the servers first opened not now

[midnight heron]

the fact is, change is always hard to accept, and i doubt the devs would want to deal with pvpers' backlash just cuz they decided to completely overhaul pvp out of nowhere

[strange shuttle]

gear boxes dont even help me anymoreo ther then gearing 3rd line ships (even secondaries are maxed now) so i dont have to change gear around

[ionic magnet]

current pvp is perfect for casuals and guess who are the majority of AL players. yea, casuals

[alpine finch]

Phone game is mostly casual

[modern tree]

I think that there would be no backlash if they decided to make pvp better, but nobody came up with an idea would make it better than it is so...

[strange shuttle]

I mean I doono how whaling for gear is a thing anymore when I have ships like this

without moving gear around

[midnight heron]

i'll be waiting for better ideas then lel

[strange shuttle]

thats my point daxam

[alpine finch]

New players have to get into the game somehow

Not veterans

[strange shuttle]

like lunar here wants to take resetting out, and i question how do you do that without making bigger problems? got no answer

[alpine finch]

New servers

[midnight heron]

azur lane 2: where theres no rng involved in anything

[alpine finch]

I don't care for competitive PvP here

[ionic magnet]

there's no clear way to improve pvp but i sure as hell dont like this current system

[strange shuttle]

same

[alpine finch]

Sandbagging is a huge factor of the rng

[pearl nimbus]

Just improve the way points are calculated.

[strange shuttle]

but i got nothing to stand on cu i got no idea how fix or adress it without causing problems

[pearl nimbus]

Sandbagging is a stupid strategy and it shouldn't be encouraged.

[strange shuttle]

i guess? there is ways to get the highest outcomes from it, even without "sandbagging" you can top 10 without losing so =/

[alpine finch]

Pretty much but forced to do so to get rank 1-10 on some servers

[pearl nimbus]

Just make points consistent.

[midnight heron]

thing with sandbagging is that it allows players to catch up instead of being unable to

[alpine finch]

Imagine defense mattering

Ya basically if you're out for an entire day, you're never catching up

I came back after 2 month hiatus mid PvP season, just didn't PvP until reset

[strange shuttle]

yeah haloist makes a good point, at some point if you are super perfect, your going to run into situations where it is mathmically impossable gain scores

easy to run into after 1050

[shell helm]

it will reset like in 2 days

[midnight heron]

yea so if you remove it how will you let late players catch up at all

[alpine finch]

It started 2 days ago I think

Idk I already started getting lazy lmao

[shell helm]

yes and it will reset in the 4th this month

[alpine finch]

Again?

[modern tree]

The truth is that with the base game we have, just from the pure design standpoint, the pvp system that is in place, while it has a bit of holes, is probably the best there is, functionally. You could tweak the way ladder works, but I don't see anyone coming up with a way to make earning extra points fair, and with no extra points, or a way to earn a significantly more of them like there is now, race to the top would be even tighter because tie breakers in this game are based entirely around WHO GOT THERE FIRST.

[shell helm]

bug fixing

[strange shuttle]

we are talking about in concpt not now

[alpine finch]

[shell helm]

@alpine finch here if i'm not mistaken

[midnight heron]

just make it such that only the top 10 at the end of season gets the points jk pls dont kill me

[pearl nimbus]

Have the option to manual PvP 4Head

[alpine finch]

nice

imagine matchmaking

[strange shuttle]

that is exavly my point daxam, that is why i started this convo with luna, it is all good to be like ok lets take resetting out, but there was no answer how to actally do that without causing problems

[pearl nimbus]

My friend plays King's Reign and their PvP isn't all too bad tbh.

[alpine finch]

This is the only phone game I've ever really bothered to play

[midnight heron]

well i have another solution: make pvp realtime where both players can control your ships with matchmaking 😮

but its pretty much impractical

[alpine finch]

Too laggy imo

Even on new phones all the shit that happens at synchronized avis

[modern tree]

this game doesnt have netcode, it might as well communicate with the server with emails

[alpine finch]

Text based PvP inc

[strange shuttle]

yeah like how would you prevent people to stop beating up whoever is in frist if you could lets say mroe select who you fight to untie the rng?

in a way debating i text based pvp

rofl

[pearl nimbus]

Come to think of it AL would be amazing if PvP worked like King's Reign.

For reference King's Reign's PvP system has a pick-ban mode, blind pick mode (the standard you're matched against a random without knowing their comp) and the game has a division-based system. Oh, and you can manually play as well if you want.

Imagine PvP where you can just ban a certain ship

Man, people might have to actually have multiple comps 😮

[strange shuttle]

thats not going to really work here cuz then you will have too much debate in progress like how ch 11 with chips was an issue with that

who to level to 100? how does this ipact new players

etc

[pearl nimbus]

Eh, that's how gacha and RPG games work. They're grindy.

[modern tree]

imagine new player getting enterprise and finally having a chance in pvp, but then have her banned in like 70% of matches

[pearl nimbus]

That is one of the cons yeah.

[strange shuttle]

ok? but doesn't really take back the issue i baught up wiht that idea

[pearl nimbus]

For new players it's really hit-or-miss.

[midnight heron]

this just brought up a new point: unless you have the perfect environment to run it, there will never be perfectly balanced pvp, so maybe its best to just accept it for what it is rn

[strange shuttle]

that would be a step back then what we got currently though

yeah i agree with haloist

[pearl nimbus]

Honestly I'd just fix how points are calculated (in terms of amount).

[strange shuttle]

i really think this is the best we cn do for this game, the current syste

i wouldn mind some adjustments in that area

not sure what to recomend though

[pearl nimbus]

Sandbagging doesn't really give you the feeling of "hey I actually climbed up the ranks all by myself", especially since you're relying on other players to piggyback off of.

[strange shuttle]

yeah id like more control over that but not like your screwed maxing it

[pearl nimbus]

I mean for the time being I just want my opponents to reset without having to relog.

That's one change that I think is essential.

[midnight heron]

they could just add a "sync" button with a cooldown timer of maybe 5s or some arbitrary value so the servers dont get bombarded with no cooldown

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah, that'd work.

Just anything to resolve that issue.

[modern tree]

leaderboards actually update pretty regularly, it's just the pvp screen that lags behind until you restart, it's strange

[strange shuttle]

i got a better idea lol

tone that dont burdern the servers

that is to have 2 buttons "find new oppents" "refersh/update"

i mean they have it every hour to refersh ship collectiing ranking and fleet levvel

5 sec on its own is waseful

or do it iws own when you hit "ranking"

[midnight heron]

thing is you can already relog to update it, which would take maybe 15s, no? any amount of time between [whats considered a ddos] to 15s would solve that problem

[strange shuttle]

its annoying to do keep loging out, lol esp during seasion reset

[pearl nimbus]

^

[hybrid tendon]

the thing is

[strange shuttle]

doing it on its own is a bad idea, because it burdens the servers, i know a game first hand that boddle neck itself because of doing that, ffxiv, so you really need it to be a manual imput by people

refershing everyone every 15 sec is def likelying going to be rejected

needs some kind of manual imput like whati said

[hybrid tendon]

well

[midnight heron]

yea thats why its a button and not an automatic

[hybrid tendon]

the current process of PVP

is good enough

like really

if you disable resetting it would be SUPER tryhard

[midnight heron]

it would be treason then

[hybrid tendon]

and very stressful

[midnight heron]

dont kill me pls im too weak

[strange shuttle]

just have 2 buttons, i dont see any reaosning why that wouldn't be the best way of doing that "update ranks" " find new oppents" (really i think "refersh" to mean find new oppenetsi s bad wording)

[hybrid tendon]

well that would be a qol update

thats for sure

they could add something like friend pvp

[strange shuttle]

@hybrid tendon lol i killed that idea long ago :3 dw, thats old convo, we are just trying to come up with a way to fix the syncing issue the game has

currently you need to log out to make it update

[midnight heron]

could check their trello cards to see if its been suggested or smth

[strange shuttle]

i might of liked soemthing that had that comment im sure it exists, doing better streamlining

but i dont think it had my button idea in spific

[midnight heron]

can always suggest it, just saying

[strange shuttle]

ill just aks them lol

[pearl nimbus]

Friend PvP would be sick

Cause rn having friends really doesn't feel like much

[midnight heron]

just like guilds, except you have to pay to create one

[strange shuttle]

lol they should at least allow us visit second floor (thats suggested in the cards)

[shy hazel]

why u having this topic rn

took them alot of complaints before we forced them to reset season

i dont rly see them changing pvp for now

[leaden sequoia]

well

you seem to be given up all hope

others haven't yet

• some even restored some hope after today's tweet

[shy hazel]

got warned for bombing game feedbacks

[shell helm]

Boom

[shy hazel]

and making fun of devs

[strange shuttle]

anyone wanna double check this? from my caluations we should start the morning of 4-4 on 850 points

https://gyazo.com/9ff01507178eab5cce5956463fa734d8

but thats not enough

if we start at 300 on 4-4 we cant get last rank

it would be impossable

nope

?

??

i got no clue what your asking, sorry

"vdir" = current event?

[leaden sequoia]

yes

visitors dyed in red

[strange shuttle]

4 :3 11:59 pm

[leaden sequoia]

~40 hours left

[strange shuttle]

?

[vale juniper]

Guys, I think I'll stop playing this game

Thank you very much for kind all of you

さよなら

すべてためにありがとうございました〜

[coral wren]

english in EN pls.

[strange shuttle]

さよなら = sayonara / goodbye

[split socket]

rest was "thanks for everything~" in broken japanse

[finite valve]

nothing of important was lost and then there was 1

[coral wren]

uh, ni hao i guess

[final bone]

https://aminoapps.com/c/azur_lane_amino/page/blog/azur-lane-quiz-skills-and-abilities-part-1/Q2Kd_D7UXulpR1dGnBxNMX6vr7Dd2neaGm?playQuiz=2

[coral wren]

oh fk sake 123 score. failed on 14th quiz

[zenith tundra]

all 5 subs form special available from next patch... rip collection

@final bone i'm not sure the question about which skill doesn't stack is correct since even skill with same name but that boosts different stats stack

[final bone]

@zenith tundra tactical doesnt stack with any of them cuz tactical is hybrid of them all

https://aminoapps.com/c/azur_lane_amino/page/blog/azur-lane-quiz-skills-and-abilities-part-2/3rWp_YJhBuQM1eXq4aoMxlqng4BbN7rb6?playQuiz=2

[zenith tundra]

different skill can be active even if they don't stack same stat. tactical does give all stats but it doesn't mean other skill can't be active at the same time because of having higher stats boosts

[zenith tundra]

gg

i have 3/15 reppu in vdir (just gave up too low drop chance just from boss)

[coral wren]

how long time we got left untill event is over?

[zenith tundra]

not really 2 resets. today is 2nd the event will end on the maint on the 4th so like 35hrs

idk what u mean by 2 resets then

its 1 and half days

[coral wren]

Lol

[zenith tundra]

can i complain about how dead my dead list is

[modern tree]

nah, because you are gonna be reset to 300 post maintenence anyways so nothing matters

[zenith tundra]

they why arent people using their attempts

[hybrid obsidian]

hey, what r you guys pvp score rn?

im positive i didnt miss tiz

but somehow my score really low compare to the top

im at 453 w 8 tix left anyhow, thats like missing 2 reset if i look at rank 1 rn

[modest elbow]

Pins

[hybrid obsidian]

🤔

[modest elbow]

Season is fucked, will also reset on maint

[hybrid obsidian]

oh

lol

i dont visit this server too often, so my bad for not reading pins

tks

Wait , so if reset on maintainence, I could just spend all of em on sight right?

my tix i mean

[modest elbow]

Yeah

That's what most are doing here

[zenith tundra]

im sandbagging still

[coral wren]

free merits

[zenith tundra]

i have all the time to use them before reset

on the 4th

[hybrid obsidian]

im kinda lazy so i probably do the same

lol

just use 5 per reset

[zenith tundra]

this makes no sense...

how the hell i dont kill kaga that was targeted by hood and doy barrages and i end up killing akagi instead

[shy hazel]

hms magic

[ionic magnet]

just BB things

[modern tree]

what I am wondering is why is your ykkz hugging ayanami

[hot creek]

also: 69

[odd schooner]

Melee battle

[cerulean estuary]

scissors battle

[ionic magnet]

if you look closely its 2 on 1

[coral wren]

Do you like my in construction angery indulcing team?

[shy hazel]

that looks like i can rekt it in 5 seconds

[coral wren]

It isn't as bad as it looks

[cobalt ore]

do i give oxygen torpedo to Z23 or Z46

and who do i give the quintuple magnetic

[zenith tundra]

i would put oxy and rainbow quint on z46 and have z23 tank

[coral wren]

Both to z46 imo

[cobalt ore]

i got z1 z23 and z46 and z23 is oathed

who do i give beaver badge and pearl tears

[zenith tundra]

beaver on dd is really bad choice

use pearl on 1st ship to sink in vg

and gives some toolbox/boilers to the other dd

[cobalt ore]

i have 2 oxygen torpedoes

do i just replace the beaver badge

[zenith tundra]

dd want hp because their hp is low and dont want evasion because their evasion is already high and has diminidhing returns

[cobalt ore]

so 2 toolboxes?

or sg radar

[zenith tundra]

toolbox/pearl boiler is a good choice for any dd. if u want to use oxy replace boiler with it

[cobalt ore]

its z trio

isnt beaver badge good

cuz of move speed in pvp

[zenith tundra]

beaver is great in pvp just not equipped on a dd

if u use bb in backline put it on one

[cobalt ore]

well all 3 of them are DD

[ionic magnet]

you can skip beaver cos thats 3 DDs already imo

but its still a good aux for your backliner so

[cobalt ore]

z1 has toolkit and pearl

z46 has toolkit and torpedo

wat i give z23

[ionic magnet]

2 toolkits

[zenith tundra]

toolbox boilers imo if u dont use beaver

now the question is why would u use z trio for pvp?

[cobalt ore]

hey i got admiral of the navy

wit graf and tirpitz

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

at least it makes sense for kms comp

[shy hazel]

and pribably with ent

[zenith tundra]

im pretty sure enty can carry kms to victory

[hot creek]

only time i ever came close to resetting against a KMS was because of enty

[cobalt ore]

kms dont have pvp gimmicks

like invincibility

or gimmicks at all

[zenith tundra]

avrora to tryhard for kms so i never see them

[cobalt ore]

need bismarck

[zenith tundra]

that is why u dont really use kms for pvp. with only a 15% dmg reduction as a whole its usually not worth

[cobalt ore]

i only use USS and KMS

[zenith tundra]

and tirp is even the worse kms unit...

[cobalt ore]

yeah tirpitz literally does absolutely nothing

in pvp

[zenith tundra]

tirp doesnt allow 3kms baclines because of her skill. kms only have 1 cv and not even fully finished at the time

[cobalt ore]

blame azurlane devs

for not adding bismarck

[zenith tundra]

bismark will replace tirp and u will be forced to use either ws kai or something else

[cobalt ore]

wuld be weird if bismarck didnt circumvent tirpitz skill

since they are sisters

[zenith tundra]

the only way for bismark to be usable with tirp is for her to be a bm

[cobalt ore]

it can easily be a skill like

when deployed with tirpitz

increase her firepower by 30%

[zenith tundra]

fp is a worse buff then dmg

[cobalt ore]

wat was tirpitz skill

oh damage

not firepower

just make it 30% damage then

wat ever

hell even make it 130%

its bismarck

increase damage dealt by all ironblood by 100%

[shy hazel]

if that happens iowa and yamato would get the same buff

[vague token]

oh god

that would be scary xD

[shy hazel]

imagine pvp all shots are ohko

the faster the better

[vague token]

use ap guns cause bullets are faster

less time in battle

[shy hazel]

👀

wonder if 3 gold sg is enuf for wasda

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel time to lose wasda mirrors

[odd schooner]

Need minimum 4

5 depends on your taste lmao

[shy hazel]

justcwatch me

ill use one purple fire control plus ten instead

[sharp obsidian]

So... Is Nagato coming in the next maint after the April 4 Maint?

And when she comes, will Nakaga have a chance to shine or will we skip her and go straight to Amagato?

[ionic magnet]

maybe, maybe not

[sharp obsidian]

*Amagato Bunny I mean

[shy hazel]

nope

they announce big events

in advance

[sharp obsidian]

Yeah, I meant in the maintenance after the April 4 one. They will have enough time to announce as we are going to be transitioning away from VDIR rerun

[zenith tundra]

most likely ink stained steel sakura is gonna be in may as the original run for jp/cn

[clear cloud]

already stated by admin we are not following CN and JP
chessboard rerun is more likely to happened than ink stained

[still kestrel]

except they said they're not going to be doing rerun versions of events until we get more caught up and get stuff like lv120 and w12

[leaden sequoia]

rerun versions of future events

which excludes DC if the version we got counts as non-rerun, even if it already included new ships

[...]
As for future events, we intend to give our Commanders a wide breathe of time to acclimatize to the level cap of 110 as well as catch up on their Main Storyline progression. This means that re-run content for future events will not be included. We will choose an appropriate time down the road to release re-run content. [...]

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

the opposite colored verison we got was rerun without subs

[leaden sequoia]

compared to the original Opposite-Colored on CN/JP, yes

[shy hazel]

and now we getting the rerun with subs

[leaden sequoia]

but I'm not sure if it counts as such on EN

[shy hazel]

german even is fine with me

can get more magtorps

double rainbow magtorp

[leaden sequoia]

literally this

[shy hazel]

[leaden sequoia]

and more gold magtorps as well

now I'm strong enough to farm D1

[hot creek]

now go farm a ryusei in two days. I believe in you

oh wait, thats D3 nvm

[leaden sequoia]

but still

51k points, 9/15 gold ryuusei

meanwhile 26/15 gold comet, 123/10 purple ryuusei, 145/10 purple comet

[shy hazel]

this is the only event that has double gold bp at hard mode is it

[zenith tundra]

if the accumulation rewards weren't so bad for vdir i would've farmed reppu. imo is so much more useful then a 3rd ryuusei

[shy hazel]

when u do wc and wash rerun

the rewards are just so better

[zenith tundra]

most likely around november like initial run

[leaden sequoia]

I'm thinking I need double ryuusei to have more flexible comps

even if 2x ryuusei is worse on average than cuda + ryuusei iirc

[zenith tundra]

i have 2 ryuusei already

[leaden sequoia]

and D2 is oh so much more annoying

[zenith tundra]

did u not play during original run?

[leaden sequoia]

Washington server

[zenith tundra]

F

[leaden sequoia]

F indeed

[shy hazel]

f

[leaden sequoia]

I shall use the blessing of ganbaru to overcome the curse of F!

🇫 🔨

[zenith tundra]

i think 818 will make 2 ryuusei completely obsolete in pvp

[leaden sequoia]

it's still parallel, I prefer to have an option of the best sakura torps available

but yeah, sakura torps and slow are a bad combo

[zenith tundra]

i think i'll build till i get 1 sub tomorrow just to see how they actually work

[still kestrel]

you get one for free from clearing 3-4 though

[zenith tundra]

i won't clear 3-4. there's nothing there for me

unless it counts past clears

[modest elbow]

i think is a mission, so just like, clear once?

[vague token]

trying portland with beaver pearl

in lead vanguard spot

she either tanks everything and doesnt die, using up bombs and main gun shots from enemy fleet

or she eats all the damage for the other vanguard spots

and pearls them xD

[zenith tundra]

that looks worse then yukikaze lol

random death = never use pearl on imo

[vague token]

well, without bulge

she should get chipped by a torp to the right amount

so against amakaga

it should be ok

against wasd, they kill slower

so you push pearl to when you demolish their vanguard

and then she just eats 127s and pearls

with good timing

but she isnt 110 yet and i need a proper fleet to test on xD

just me being silly brainstorming

[steep fog]

is this the correct vg position

[lament lichen]

yeah

[shy hazel]

hey

it depends

i always put aurora in very front

and put pearl on her

u can dum her after first strike anyways

[zenith tundra]

i prefer juneau aurora jintsuu as positions

especially low level vg would benefit more from early juneau heal

[ionic magnet]

i dont really like front juneau cos she dies too early sometimes

tho against wasda comps, juneau never dies when shes at the back

[shy hazel]

oh lul

i missed a round

[vague token]

that's ok though we resetti soon

xD

[charred sable]

I missed 5 lol

[zenith tundra]

if the vg is underleveled and juneau doesn't die in 1st airstrike u end up with only juneau alive that cannot do much by herself. since amakaga has no defense against vg i'd rather lose the heal on backlines then losing vg battle

[cerulean estuary]

juneau is better in BOT if ur dealing with FOXES

MID position if BB's imo

[zenith tundra]

i mean it depends on what ship u have on vg... if u run jintsuu aurora jesus i'd rather lose jesus then jintsuu early even against bb

[cerulean estuary]

i got into trouble leveling jintsu and sendai to max lvl and affec , but not putting them to pvp haha

maybe i really love NANODA and JUNEAU

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

imo jintsuu is one of the best vg u can have against 3 bb comps especially if she can shoot torp on opponent bb.

[cerulean estuary]

yeah but im not a fan of torPEDO's , i love watrching BB's throwing SALVO's

i dunno what fetish what you call that for

[zenith tundra]

whatever fetish it is doesn't change that torp are great against heavy armor

[sharp obsidian]

All this farming and I only have 4/15 Ryusei... My PvP triple Ryusei Meme fleet seems impossible now.

[shy hazel]

give up

just wait for research

apparently u can get bps there too

[buoyant parrot]

[sharp obsidian]

@shy hazel , I am at 27/15 comets though. 😂 For some odd reason, that's the only Gold BP dropping for all my effort 😦

[real notch]

Gonna test this new vg setup for wasda

Jesus - boiler toolkit
Belfast - pearl dildo
Ykkz - toolkit dildo

Got the idea from sumires fleet

Moving jesus from middle to bottom

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

wow jesus tanking, what a crazy idea!

also, if you are running toolkit on ykkz and pearl on belfast shouldnt you consider giving pearl to ykkz and bulge to belfast, which would probably increase your ehp by a bit overall

[hybrid tendon]

normal magtorp is rather weak

damage wise

[elder crane]

Only torp that semi-reliably hits though

[blazing scroll]

I would indeed put a pearl on ykk, she needs hp rather than a dildo

[modern tree]

You generally look at torps and go rng lul and move on. Because of that, it's really easy to underestimate how much having oxy torps on your frontliners helps you win. The truth is that it changes a fucking lot right now, a lot more than a tiny chunk of HP does. HMS with oxy on Belfast wins a lot more than HMS with anything else on Belast. It's coming from a guy who notoriously dismisses oxy as a meme. Tanky ships will be tanky. Sunk ships can't hurt you. Wasd Amagi losing frontline is inconsequential. Oxy torp on ykkz in this lineup looks proper and if I were looking for HP, it would be Extinguisher cuz you can't stop fires with ykkz rng

[ionic magnet]

1 oxytorp adds around 100-150 dmg per torp btw

you decide if its worth to equip or not

1 toolkit gives 500hp and it gets doubled in pvp if im not mistaken

[blazing scroll]

What I noticed is that ykk died too fast when she had toolkit + dildo when I put the pearl on her she was able to survive way better. It might just be me, but I am okay with it

[leaden sequoia]

I see this issue as "whether you're okay with resets to force torp rng to be on your side"

if you are, take oxytorp

if you are not, take pearl

[modern tree]

But it's not the issue of that. HMS resets more without oxy on Belfast. Torp rng has nothing to do with it.

[leaden sequoia]

ah, I should've specified it's about ykkz that has low enough hp to get killed after first airstrike

that doesn't happen with Belfast, so oxytorp is preferable for her, yeah

[modern tree]

my ykkz at lvl 100 routinely survives airstrikes without smoke

[ionic magnet]

its prolly more of an hms issue rather than belfast alone

offense can get away with anything but its clear on defense which is the better option

[modern tree]

torps are better option on defense, yea

[ionic magnet]

not a coincidence that >13.5k fleet power VGs are so easy to kill

nope oxytorps are terrible on def

[modern tree]

kay

[ionic magnet]

[odd schooner]

Toolbox boiler ykkz

[modern tree]

boiler extinguisher*

[odd schooner]

No need when you just evade them shells

[ionic magnet]

[odd schooner]

I was actually using that

[hybrid tendon]

ykkz are just..........balanced tbh

she dies from airstrikes a lot, from my experience

[odd schooner]

But i find boilers better with wasda.backline now

[hybrid tendon]

like 50% of the time

her high evasion was balanced by her destroyer HP

[odd schooner]

Ships don't automatically explode unlike 100 era

[hybrid tendon]

shes a bit tougher than the normal destroyer

and thats it

[ionic magnet]

boiler extinguisher cos more wasdas are coming

[odd schooner]

[ionic magnet]

and hms too

[odd schooner]

Idk. I don't want to lose more hp on her

[ionic magnet]

but yea there's still a lot more akagas out there rn

[hybrid tendon]

and there will be

in the future

coz akaga is still the fastest

[odd schooner]

Wasda expires once nagato exist lmao

I'm feeling it

[hybrid tendon]

for the saturday gensui rush

nagato is like

if the barrage procs

you win

[ionic magnet]

but theyre saying kms event is next