pvp

[lone pendant]

@ionic magnet do u max lvl magnetic torp skill on tirpitz

[ionic magnet]

i think its lv 7 or 8

no need to max tbh

use your red books wisely

[coral wren]

pvp meta is so stupid wish I had Aurora

[odd schooner]

Time to build on light

Also I'm just doing +1 then push nowadays

I'm around the bracket where i screwed up last time

[vague token]

/already slept on 5 matches

oh boi

[dry socket]

to run a full evasion debuff leaves low torp power

torpedoes are definitely not essential to a victory if your foxes land their shots, but a massive damage sspike from Ayanami makes a mess out of vanguards if movement rng blesses you with a round of torps to the face

running aya, aurora, and sirius would seem to do better than the comp suggested, cyaneko, supplying debuffs, buffs, and dph

[vague token]

flare animation amuses me every time

[zenith tundra]

im gonna test aginst that

i can pretty much tell the vg just dies to akaga airstrike almost every time so would only be useful to force mirror backlines

seems like jesus tank and heal will make u win vg battle every time

last attempt my jesus and nanoda got to under 50% hp just from torp

once i get home gonna try some more vg comps

[dense lynx]

[vague token]

15 minute reminder

=D

[charred sable]

Rank ~250 and see a rank 47 on my attack list. Attacks without checking leaderboard and wins. Gets only 10 points.

[livid fractal]

same, I'm struggling to get bonus points

meanwhile top ranks are ahead of me by 8 and 5 points

[modern tree]

it feels so good to miss like 3 charges because you passed out drunk on the weekend, just playing the game now

[charred sable]

I'm doubtful of my top 10 chances this season. None of my ships are near lvl 110 due to slacking so I feel like I'm gonna struggle in the last few fights

[vague token]

just you wait until i 110 kirishima

and get another gold 410

no phone will handle my bullet lag

jk

[vague token]

cog chips in core data shop

hrm

actually now that i think about it, sirius can help boost sara kai's burn and flood damage

since she boosts the raw aviation stat

and not just damage

[jovial sedge]

shame i fucked up my pvp this season : / lost 2 and missed 2 ... by negligence

[jovial sedge]

well i think ye i can get to those 5 star

: / but nope first places

[ionic magnet]

hmm so armor break only affects heavy armors

and dont trigger on skills

this is hardly a buff at this point

how many now?

wow op

i usually end up with 5 bps on each event

lol

yea that sht is crazy

i only got 5 bofor bps in 35k pts of farming

oof

time to save cubes

maybe she'll come soon

firing what

some kind of a reload buff i guess

[hot creek]

Sirius finally getting voice

[ionic magnet]

so trump also maxed his wasda now

[zenith tundra]

tested a bit against this comp
jintsuu 110 aurora 108 sendai 105 win vg 8/10
sirius 104 aurora 108 sendai 105 win vg 7/10
juneau 108 aurora 108 sendai 105 win vg 7/10
juneau 108 aurora 108 yukikaze 99 win vg 9/10 (the only lost the vgs collapsed yukikaze dead and other 2 under 10%)
juneau 108 sirius 104 yukikaze 99 6/10 win vg

juneau 108 aurora 108 jintsuu 110 win vg 10/10 (highest level)

[real notch]

i just finished sendai

phew

finally finished my +10 BiS maxed oathed amakaga

[zenith tundra]

i'm not sure that vg is that amazing but good luck with it

[real notch]

oh, shouldn't it be?

or maybe sirius

[zenith tundra]

cannot win against this

with this

even if i kill vg what end up happening is akaga dying before 3rd airstrike and i lose

won 1 finally after 3 losses

[real notch]

hmm, my winrates weren't as bad as that though

does your amagi barrage on sendai flare?

[real notch]

also, you are not using rainbow dildo right?

[zenith tundra]

i changed it now let's see if it's better with slower barrage

i have 2 of them max if u want me to try them

maybe is really better this way it also seems to avoid sd invulnerability

[real notch]

i am leveling wasd rn, shooting for YKKZ juneau belfast frontline

[zenith tundra]

maybe not

[real notch]

i might have to buy the trade license

to 110 my wasd fleet

[zenith tundra]

not even jesus yukikaze helps that much

[lament lichen]

Lol gotta love running boilers on my team

Miss all torps and run back into them

[real notch]

well in 12 mins hopefully i'll find a maxed wasd fleet

and test with my maxed fleet

what's your W/R roughly against wasda so far zack?

maybe we can find some data on oxytorp usage in PVP

[ionic magnet]

hmm my amakaga is around 50-60% winrate against trump

p much the same against sumire

[zenith tundra]

i've been trying all vg around to see differences

but definitely under 50% overall for me against that comp

2 ryuusei might actually be interesting

[real notch]

aiite

yea i'll test with 2x ryuusei as well

[zenith tundra]

outside of when all torp go for sd

[real notch]

if i get a below 80% winrate

considering how our fleets are the same, i shouldn't get that high tho

[analog hare]

wasd would be happy seeing enemy using 2x ryuusei

[ionic magnet]

wasda fights highly depends on whether those BBs will aim your backline or not

[zenith tundra]

even this is not sure win

[lament lichen]

Just run boilers and watch them miss

[ionic magnet]

nah 2 boilers dont make any difference tbh AI will still fk up no matter what

[zenith tundra]

i run 2 boilers and 1 beaver.... should try 3 boilers and 1 beaver then

[lament lichen]

I use 3 boilers

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

oh, you use beaver on VG?

[zenith tundra]

but dd will make a difference

i want to try badly with yukikaze too bad low level

[real notch]

my YKKZ is only 94, i could put up a shitty wasda rn

sd105 wash109 amagi110 ykkz94 belfast100 juneau100

[zenith tundra]

if i have to give up on amakaga i would pick hms tbh

[ionic magnet]

1 dd and 3 boilers maybe

[zenith tundra]

with 3 boilers and beaver my vg still got demolished before vg fight was over

[ionic magnet]

yea it doesnt help that much

[zenith tundra]

this shouldn't really stand a chance but i'm curious

[ionic magnet]

hmm somethings wrong with trumps wasda

i just went 10-0 just now

[real notch]

ol what

really

[ionic magnet]

13.8k fp

[real notch]

his wasd in that ss just now?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[real notch]

dayum

what's your fleet

10-0 are pretty reassuring numbers for our amakagas

[ionic magnet]

sumires wasda has 14.3k

so somethings really off

[ionic magnet]

im using the usual

[real notch]

damn

that's the og fleet i used before sendai came out

and it works that well eh

hey can i add your tests into my doc?

if you can do it in this format that would be appreciated

Shimarin (amagi, akagi, kaga | sirius, sendai105, aurora108) 13.4/12.9
Current fleet (amagi, kaga, akagi | jintsuu, sendai, aurora) 13.3/13.3

[ionic magnet]

alright ill do new runs in a bit

[vague token]

i keep getting rushers, but i already slept through 5 matches so rip

[analog hare]

[velvet fossil]

What do u use for jesus @ionic magnet ?

[real notch]

toolkit/bulge?

[zenith tundra]

this was close enough

[ionic magnet]

@velvet fossil beaver & boiler

[vague token]

is there any point to aurora when that frontline doesnt have a ton of pressure? xD

[ionic magnet]

idk shes dying late when i use bulge/toolkit

[zenith tundra]

there is since i want to kill jesus this millenium

[velvet fossil]

Yeah boiler sounds about right but theres no fleets to test on washy

[real notch]

do you have her mid

[vague token]

ok

[ionic magnet]

i have her at the back

[real notch]

that should be fine, she's a defense fleet ship anyways

[zenith tundra]

i think this comp that i'm trying is just lacking levels for now because being close to winning with 2 105 vs 110 is not bad

[real notch]

with 20% dmg she shouldn't have a problem dying

[zenith tundra]

this was the best so far

1:30mins lol

[vague token]

ugh why does tennessee's skill have to proc so late

[oblique thistle]

I don't believe it...

https://puu.sh/D5SaE/4da99e33df.png

If only briefly (until I get kicked back out of top 1k at least) I hit rear admiral

[analog hare]

nice

now get vice admiral

[oblique thistle]

Yep

Vice-admiral's going to be tough, I've had a couple losses

[analog hare]

swap ark royal with sodak, it might be better for survivability

[oblique thistle]

Maybe. Also considering swapping Javelin for Eldridge

As much as I hate facing it operation rainbow definitely helps for vanguard survivability

[vague token]

personally, i only keep eldridge as a pocket pick, most of the time nowadays you dont need her

[analog hare]

Eldridfe doesn't help much with current meta, she easily wreck by amakaga fleet

especially when enemy has aurora vg

[oblique thistle]

god, amakaga

I have the wrong kaga for that meta

[vague token]

i think there was a full 110 lusty/owari da backline i slotted eldridge aurora minne for

was fine with position swaps to actually put damage on the right ships

xD

outside of niche comps she doesnt add much cause aurora jintsuu usually almost kills her under 5 seconds

[ionic magnet]

Donald Trump (sd, wash, amagi | bel, jun, jintsuu) 13.8/13.3
Current Fleet (amagi, kaga, akagi | jintsuu, aurora, jun) 13.3/12.8

result: 16 wins - 4 losses

sumires wasda is scarier

[zenith tundra]

35 core data for 100 mental units... i'm really thinking about that considering i don't care for ca gun and 3rd oxy might be useless

[ionic magnet]

tho he switched portland now feelsbadman

[oblique thistle]

See, that's my other thing... In terms of just power levels I'm 11.3/12.2

So some of it is just "not enough power" to get the higher ranks

[ionic magnet]

nah its fine just need to grind more

[real notch]

also, just to doublecheck on your setup @ionic magnet, it's +10 BiS maxed everything right?

except i think you said, not 200 aff for foxes?

[ionic magnet]

foxes, aurora, jun are not maxed aff

also jun is 109

[real notch]

ahh ok

ty ty

that's a pretty solid winrate against wasda

though i thought maxed wasda was 14k

donald is about 200 off

[zenith tundra]

14.1k max

[real notch]

either way, it seems juneau is a good start to beating wasd fleets

[ionic magnet]

yea somethings off

[real notch]

i was saying this before but juneau is seriously top tier VG...

confirmed that with zack's n my tests before, and now with ToTu's

[ionic magnet]

yea she is

i think people just want to test new ships so they are ditching the one true savior

[real notch]

ye

i'll wait till someone tests against my current amakaga fleet so i can get some defense data on it

then i'll switch over to my (shitty) wasda

with YKKZ juneau and belfast

if anyone can find me, i'm at 1724 right now

[ionic magnet]

oof why are you so low

did you miss any rounds

[real notch]

yes i missed 3

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

big upgrade from last season tho

[zenith tundra]

are u at 10/10 or something?

[real notch]

i remember setting an alarm, snoozing it, and still missing my matches

[ionic magnet]

i think problem with trumps def fleet is that his VGs are dying too early. if enemy backline eats the full 2nd akaga airstrike, its p much a win already even with aegis trigger

for tryhards yea

[real notch]

guess i'm not a tryhard

[zenith tundra]

u mean score right not rank...

i read it as rank

[real notch]

oooo

[ionic magnet]

wait thats score?

lol

[real notch]

mb i should have said 1724 score/pts

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[real notch]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/D5T3J/8bce33062d.png mfw

[real notch]

AYYY LMAO

[ionic magnet]

i thought its rank

[real notch]

we thje same

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

phoenix you're on sandy though right

[ionic magnet]

yes its really high lol

[zenith tundra]

look i'm at 1744 with at least 5 attempts lost and no sandbagging... far from tryhard

1/10 too for the rank bonus while i can

[hot creek]

yeah im on sandy. already hovering between r20-r40 before each reset just doing my five battles

[shy hazel]

cant even get a plus one

unless i get top 10

[zenith tundra]

scores rn are really low for whatever reason

[hot creek]

my theory is event + not everyone awakening their pvp ships so theymore likely to settle with +9s

at least on sandy

[real notch]

seemslegit

[hot creek]

i will probably be able to get gensui automatically by just doing my 5/10 as usual.

[shy hazel]

oh my god

i accidentally leaked my superior hms def fleet

[real notch]

LMFAO

i looked at that and was like wtf

[hot creek]

two of my opponents did their pvps already but can't reach 35+ points over me

and the other two are probably sitting at 5/10 already cause they rushed all 10 charges from before

[marble sparrow]

-sitting eating lunch-
I feel like i forgot smthn...
-opens phone and sees AL icon-
FUCK MY PVP

[vale juniper]

I missed 5 tickets 😅

That's why I can't reach rank 1 anymore in this PvP season 😅

[ionic magnet]

🇫

[arctic imp]

I hate fighting enty

Her skill activated

TWICE

Same as me

[real notch]

i rolled 5 times and couldn't find a maxed wasda... better luck next time ig uess

[arctic imp]

barely won

[hot creek]

just play amakaga like everyone else and suddenly enty is barely an afterthought

[vague token]

or 2 410s xD

is it just me or does sendai actually have ok tier gun stats

cause she's sneaking mvps

in pve

[shy hazel]

sendai class has okay guns

and barrage

if you ask me

[vague token]

ok

[shy hazel]

and of course retarded ijn biased torps

[vague token]

yeah xD

how much efficiency, 180?

big oof

[arctic imp]

Amakaga ew

im not gonna use that ever

mostly cause my Kaga and Akagi severly underleveled

Im waiting for rabbit sisters' retro

[vague token]

hiryuu is great, but im definitely going to try sara kai

[arctic imp]

Same

[vague token]

wish i had more comets or w/e the fast dive bomber was

[vague token]

or we could get a gold fulmar

[livid fractal]

Are you guys at 5/10 already? @shy hazel @odd schooner

[odd schooner]

ye why

[livid fractal]

We would be tie by now if I didn't get +1

[real notch]

me too if i didn't miss 3 matches

[ionic magnet]

i just noticed season ends 1 hr before monday reset

[lament lichen]

oh it does

lol

[vague token]

o.O

maybe they reverted to dst for pvp reset time

xD

[ionic magnet]

so that means we'll get 5 charges after season ends and then another 5 charges on server reset?

first reset gonna be weird lol

[hot creek]

omg, was about to go a reset without a +11 but blessed matchmaking just gave me one for free Bless RNG

rank 14 at 5/10 https://puu.sh/D5Yut/f781a1ba46.png

gonna be hard to get any more +11s

since all my opponents are probably sitting at 0/10 and will wait twice

[hybrid tendon]

which server

probably not avrora

[shy hazel]

avrora prinz lulgen ssr xchnage zulul

phx should be sandy

[oblique thistle]

Dear AI... Please stop with your "let me make sure I hit every fucking torpedo" mentality

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

so happy finally got ykkz

after 190 pulls

[oblique thistle]

gratz

[ionic magnet]

[analog hare]

[vague token]

congrats

now the long process of skilling xD

[analog hare]

now feel the great yukikaze

[ionic magnet]

shes chilling in my cage in dorm

gotta teach naughty kids some lesson

[vague token]

oof

literally 5 core data short of another hood gun

triggered

oh but daily gives 5

crisis averted

[marble sparrow]

Shld i...

Gamble success~

[vague token]

yikes

[lone pendant]

o

[real notch]

grats on YKKZ

[shy hazel]

so jp got nagato rerun

then we have a new light hell

[modern tree]

Now that you have ykkz you should roll for another one so you can have one per fleet

[ionic magnet]

i have zero cubes rn

[hot creek]

wow is that really a thing

like, is yukikaze that good lol

[vague token]

i mean, she is the only main fleet sustain

outside of crossover and AR

[ionic magnet]

98 luck poggers

but raising a copy is crazy

[shy hazel]

guess its not fa rounds yet

[analog hare]

enjoy +3 point if I on your opponent list

[hybrid tendon]

ykkz in maps with fireboats

ykkz in auto

ramming speed

and you cant dodge that damage

less damage

[charred sable]

I did a thing.

[analog hare]

spicy
I literally stop sandbagging at this point so if I on your opponent list after reset just wait, I instanly spend 10 rounds

[charred sable]

You lied though

I only got 2 bonus points, not 3

[ionic magnet]

[analog hare]

10 rounds x 10 point = 100 point difference

at least

[charred sable]

I feel betrayed. Just like Yorktown

[analog hare]

roughly should have 105 point difference for +3

[split socket]

u'd probably need 105pts for +3, if it's linear

[analog hare]

btw is my Yukikaze last longer on battle or what

[zenith tundra]

switch that aya for jesus pls

ijn buff not worth jesus heal

[analog hare]

I'm the only one who not raise jesus

still lvling her

[zenith tundra]

gg

[analog hare]

and fox

[charred sable]

@analog hare couldn't tell. Your vanguard almost full wiped from the first foxes wave then dwindled down before the second wave

[analog hare]

free exp then

[zenith tundra]

foxes 🚮

[charred sable]

So second wave was able to hit your backline even though my vanguards died. Resulting in me having a huge health advantage in the main vs main fight

[ionic magnet]

^ amakaga vs wasda in a nutshell

its all about the 2nd airstrike

[charred sable]

If he ran Juneau and Belfast, I'd assume both vanguards would die around the same time (if his units were all lvl 110 vs my 105/106s)

[analog hare]

yes I did plan to put belfast jesus yukikaze

[charred sable]

As in the second air strike would be used to take down his vanguard but then my low HP vanguard would die to main fire

At that point, while both main teams will be at full health or so, his side is at a reload advantage since my round just finished and his should be about half ready?

[ionic magnet]

its tricky after 2nd airstrike cos one of your foxes might already be dead after 2nd BB salvo

depends on the aiming rng

[zenith tundra]

against jesus vg ur 2nd airstrike shouldnt be able to do much considering sd aegis and full health wasda

[ionic magnet]

nah even with aegis, 2nd airstrike still deals about 50% of backline hp

[charred sable]

I don't think Juneau's heal covers the damage of a straight air strike to main fleet

[ionic magnet]

that's why i think suicide wasda is much worse than say belfast-juneau-x

[zenith tundra]

nanoda is x

[charred sable]

If any of the initial stray torpedoes hit the main and Ayaya manages to squeeze in one round of torpedoes against the main fleet, the second airstrike should be able to wipe someone likely

[leaden sequoia]

+25 % from Jun - 50% from airstrike?

not sure how well airstrikes work against wasda, that's for amakaga

[ionic magnet]

still havent met any bel-jun-ykkz but yea sounds scary to me

[charred sable]

Wasn't there the rumours of Nagato rerun though?

[leaden sequoia]

nagato rerun in JP, if you're about that

[ionic magnet]

let me restock cubes first tho

[charred sable]

[leaden sequoia]

Sandy pvp

[charred sable]

Needs more emojis

Oops, my bad

[leaden sequoia]

much better

[random vault]

perfection

[ionic magnet]

who is this anyway

[split socket]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Emile_Bertin

[charred sable]

Oyari-sensei's work

[ionic magnet]

my lord that art

[split socket]

I see you are a man of culture as well

[leaden sequoia]

still not sub-level nsfw

the heck we don't have sub emojis

[charred sable]

Nice torpedo

🥖 close enough

[shy hazel]

[analog hare]

DD gun who have anti air stat, are they can shoot plane too ??

ah okay then

[shy hazel]

i can smell it

nagato

shall come with shells in core shop

yes

soon.tm

[random vault]

as if akaga aint cancer enough already

[shy hazel]

[random vault]

ill miss using amagi when that happens

[shy hazel]

i mean meta will be nagato amagi open slot

youll still use amagi

[random vault]

thatll only arrive when we have someone worthy to get in that open slot

like taihoe or hiryuukai

[zenith tundra]

i'm dropping foxes even if i have to put monarch in the 3rd slot

not even izumo

[wind orbit]

could Hyuuga be a good 3rd spot?

[hybrid tendon]

well nakagas what ppl use

tbh you cant break this meta

until ws kai

the most unfair unit in the game

appear

i mean

hows that fucking FAIR

man

[wind orbit]

isn't nagato+amagi alone just better than nakaga?

[idle python]

yes (at least in cn/JP it was)

As long as the third is an ijn that does good damage

[wind orbit]

Akashi, gotcha

[hybrid tendon]

🤔

[elder crane]

Hiryuu's good enough to use without Kai
Hiryuu/Amagi/Open is already very strong, even without Nagato

Not sure if it works yet on defense, might need ykkz (who I haven't fully lvd yet, or just not work period), but at 100 I already found Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood to be the most consistent team vs foxes, at 110 it murders them
Haven't found a good 110 WASDA to test against yet, but it did just as good 100 vs 100 WASDA and I don't expect a large difference

[jovial sedge]

So whats these changes about?... something about delayed airstrikes?

[olive thicket]

would i be using oxytorp on anyone in PVP?

[modern tree]

depends

generally you dont unless you are buffing the stats that you are getting trom it, something like Jintsuu or QE

even then, Torps are hit or miss

Aux slots in pvp generally have very specific purposes and there are rarely "right" answers, except for maybe torpedo bulge until EN gets some more options for VGs

[zenith tundra]

they buffed bb ap dmg to light by 50% and it's still shit. seems like only viability for it would be 3 bb backlines at best

[vague token]

50% brings it from 30 to 45

woo

=/

[zenith tundra]

still really bad but not as bad

[vague token]

yeah

maybe if you could armor break all armors

it'd be ok

[zenith tundra]

that would be interesting

[modern tree]

It just so happens that my HMS is all BBs and I have hood whos gun output is irrelevant, so I will try it

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

ill try that too since im finally awakening my hms and want to see how good/bad it is against wasda

as long as u can avoid shooting vg it should be fine

[vague token]

at the very least they could have made the first AP gun shot prioritize backline

=(

since atm all of them always shoot vanguard on first shot

or something

i dunno how it works

[zenith tundra]

massachusetts has that wierd armor modifier with 60% on light maybe something like that would've been worth using

[vague token]

oh her SHS?

i was under the impression she used the 406 triple Normal ammo gun

cause base stats and it converts or something

[zenith tundra]

Main gun property is changed to SHS. Increases Salvo damage depending on max distances Salvo traveled, dealing bonus damage up to 15% (30%).

whatever type she uses is changed to shs like roon changes it to he

[vague token]

yeah

[modern tree]

I have yet to meet wasda that would give me trouble. I think lately I only lost to RNG once against some rando Hiryuu Amagi Enterprise fleet. It's always so weird to get fucked by numbers, then reroll like 7 times and crush the fleet that just beat you so hard if barely feels like a contest

[vague token]

oof

[real notch]

reeeeeeeee i'm a 1776 pts.. someone find me pls

[sharp roost]

damn tried to pvp last run lastminute before reset and ended with 9/10

[hot creek]

must have been literally last minute then

[zenith tundra]

what are my chances @real notch

[real notch]

wait i think i played a match

i'm 1777

i would say the chances are

high

[zenith tundra]

u are a prick lol

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

NOOOOOOOO

WHYYYY

[zenith tundra]

well cant even try anything with my vg being trash lvl

[real notch]

wdym it looks pretty good

[zenith tundra]

my def is a troll

[real notch]

i'm actually so sad you couldn't find me...

and sorry i made you waste your refreshes

[zenith tundra]

also being under leveled by anything more then 2-3 lvl is not good data since u end up taking way too much dmg

[jovial sedge]

🤔

[vague token]

yeah ive been having problems trying to level ykk and sara now that we're in the high point totals

[zenith tundra]

i still dont get how my yukikaze still lives against amakagas lol

[real notch]

the power of nanoda

and yea i agree

[zenith tundra]

and i use this mostly of the time because of pve

[vague token]

no fire extinguisher / 10

[real notch]

tho now i am changing my reset testing format to include levels for ships that are not 110

like (sendai106, jintsuu104, aurora107) sorta format

had some good advice to improve my doc

[zenith tundra]

i did some testing against a lvl 110 jintsuu aya aurora torp vg yesterday with different vg comps to see which one can outlast that. i never actually see who won the fights but if ur interested i can dm u the pics of my results when i get home

[wicked rivet]

bruh

the hiryuu amagi enty fleet

SUCKS

I had to fight it like 10 times before rng went my way

[zenith tundra]

against what?

[modern tree]

I think the guy who runs it on sandy has beaver on Enty too lol

[wicked rivet]

not a fox fleet

oh god

untouchable enty

sounjds like hell

[modern tree]

it's sort of a menace

[wicked rivet]

to answer your question zack

I have DoY/Amagi/Hood Bel/Ayaya/Spee

but I think I switched DoY to enty for that one? cant remember

[hot creek]

i've had to reset against that fleet too LUL

and then next match would always be a complete curb stomp for whatever reason.

[modern tree]

cant find him in top 100 atm

[split socket]

what vg is he running?

[modern tree]

I cant quite recall, his name is BanLad or something?

CN dress Enterprise secretary

[real notch]

poggers @vague token i found you

[vague token]

owo

dont kill me too quickly ;)

[real notch]

xd

naw my offense fleet is trash

[vague token]

oh rip

what are you using atm anyways xD

[real notch]

umm i'm leveling my wasda fleet

still trying to level people

[vague token]

ah

im so disappointed the new orleans class defense skill is so useless

[shy hazel]

I finally fcked pvp up

Missed 3 rounds cos

Sleep

[vague token]

she drink, but she also asleep

[shy hazel]

Scores are way too low din realize

Do u mean monty

Or the other one

I heard month is the most op Cleveland sis

[vague token]

oh, i meant astoria and her sisters

the 20% defense skill

but it only works on CL and DD guns

specifically from them

not the guns in general

so it wouldnt even work on main fleet aux

=/

if it was just 20% reduced from CL and DD would be fun

including torps

but nope

[zenith tundra]

ca with actually useful pvp skills

[vague token]

"lol nope"

T_T

[dull hollow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/b6a49a/quick_pvp_report_for_jp/? if anyone is curious about the current state of JP meta

[vague token]

looks like as expected

[real notch]

yaman

and there were people saying ws kai wouldn't be good

OMEGALUL

[vague token]

i dont know how anyone could read the skills

and not figure out she was busted

she has Dork's first shot damage boost

in addition to a FP boost

and her old skill

and a new mechanic

of reduced rng gun shots

like seriously

busted / 10

not even counting the crazy raw stats she has

8k base hp, 446 fp before any gear

290 AA

that's a top kek

[coral wren]

Noone knew they would raise her barage base dmg this high

[vague token]

i mean, the fire power scaling is pretty good so when she gets like 80 more free firepower from her skill and retro

that's big damage

[ivory vine]

everyone that was saying ws kai wouldnt be good were talking about pve tho

[coral wren]

it went from 1.5-2k up to 4-5k

[ivory vine]

no way 130% dmg to her barrage isnt op af

the problem still remains tho

if she misses the damn thing

it didnt work in league

but it apparently works in al

[vague token]

heh

[zenith tundra]

Frontline: There's only one true frontline. Juneau / XX / Yukikaze
this is even more interesting imo

[ivory vine]

is it tho?

[modern tree]

I mean, I knew that

[zenith tundra]

all vg literally 2 healers

[vague token]

that one is obvious too

120 bulk is really high

juneau and ykk become huge force multipliers

[modern tree]

This is what I said before pretty sure, the more people start using Juneau YKKZ, the more necesary it will be to use it yourself to stay competitive. It's hard to argue with damage reduction on damage dealers and 2 heals that are effectively quadrupled because of pvp mechanics

[vague token]

if the heal was flat

then it wouldnt be as big of a deal

[zenith tundra]

i'm not surprised by it in any way just interesting how ur just forced to run those 2 because of ws

[vague token]

the only flat bonuses are like

repair crane

xD

literally the only gear that has 0 scaling

and is fully effective with no investment

"effective"

[zenith tundra]

i found yukikaze juneau aurora with 2 boilers to be kind of good

i saw it surviving more then using more leveled ships instead of yukikaze

i would use aurora as long as i need to kill jesus/yukikaze tbh

[storm pasture]

Bbkaga/amagi/nagato vs DoY,QE,warspite kai
Which one is better comp?

[zenith tundra]

ws kai auto wins

[split socket]

whichever is on offense xD

[zenith tundra]

that ijn with 2 50% barrages doesn't look good

[vague token]

bb kaga lol

[zenith tundra]

actually 1 50% and 1 40%

[vague token]

maybe if she could use double oxy

she'd be dangerous

TOO BAD SHE CANT

triggered

[storm pasture]

Bbkaka is not good?

[vague token]

her barrage is a coin flip

[zenith tundra]

her barrage chance is too low

[vague token]

coin flips are pretty meh

70% is good

relatively reliable

[modern tree]

Baga has a neat niche of making Akagi useful in pve, but in pvp shes barely "alright"

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure hyuuga kai is better then her

[modern tree]

you really want more consistency thant torps targeting random shit and coin flip on barrage

[vague token]

i think i use kaga for cheating my torp stat higher

in hard mode

[split socket]

hyuuga kai is pretty much better than everyone as the 3rd ship in namagi

[storm pasture]

I really hate coin flip in pvp. Same problem with enty

[vague token]

cause amagi/bbkaga/ayayaya is basically like 1k+ torp

and fits into hard mode slots easily

[zenith tundra]

i like bb kaga even without barrage her dmg is pretty good but not really good for pvp

[modern tree]

I mean, you can use Tirp and Amagi to cheat hard mode

Baga is really the worst option probably

[shy hazel]

bb kaga maybe a good choice when nagato comes

until we get a better cv

though temporary

[zenith tundra]

bb kaga is more of a boss killer since u can use her with other bbs

is hyuuga kai is available i think kaga stands no chance

[split socket]

bb kaga will also fit in the new pve meta better now that it requires u to use cv for airspace control

[shy hazel]

hyuuga's retarded buffs

[storm pasture]

@zenith tundra hyuuga kai change her into BBV does that affect pvp?

[shy hazel]

reminds me airspace control also affects bbv

hyuuga kai era is here

[zenith tundra]

it's her fp buff and general better dmg then non kai version

[modern tree]

Hyuuga kai has REALLY high burn damage and neat barrage to boot. She's unremarkable otherwise. The Aviation part of battleship is whatever

[split socket]

oh hold the f up, I'm mixing up hyuuga and hiryuu 🤦

[finite valve]

disappointment

[modern tree]

Also

lol we are discussing reddit post made by Iria, but I have not seen him here in ages

probably EN meta is too boring

[vague token]

to be fair, we havent stabilized yet

not enough 110s

[zenith tundra]

jp meta rn seems more interesting for sure. no longer forced into comps but just put ships u want and still win

[shy hazel]

what server in jp are people basically in

[zenith tundra]

i would consider the slow to be better then faster reload any day in pvp

[vague token]

when you use the two foxes

one of them can go slightly faster

slow everyone

then the other fox nukes the rest

ez

[modern tree]

slow is op because battleship guns suck

[zenith tundra]

it helps with bb shoots too

[vague token]

that too xD

[split socket]

is the slow enough to use it with another cv equipped with ryuusei?

[modern tree]

supposedly

[idle python]

nakaga ran 818+ryussei so yeah

[split socket]

that sounds wonderfully broken

[zenith tundra]

most likely is

[split socket]

u could use it in pve I guess, go full torp meme on boss phases

[zenith tundra]

i think slow is pretty good in pve too

just consider doy barrage and how easily she can land shoots afterwards

[vague token]

maybe if the boss isnt a destroyer or light armor CL

=(

[shy hazel]

if only

doys barrage isnt a joke

[vague token]

hey now it hits hard enough

dunno why it slows though

xD

[split socket]

I want to see it used with ark royal lol

double slow (if it stacks?)

[zenith tundra]

if u can hit more bb shoots after it i see no negative to it

[vague token]

ooh a +1

yoink

ive been getting so many rushers

too bad i slept through a reset

[shy hazel]

the thing i dont like about doy barrage is

[vague token]

otherwise maybe i could actually be a thing

[shy hazel]

the ws mechanic

shoots the farthest

[vague token]

i mean that wouldnt be bad

if it didnt slow

and instead say

reduced evasion

or something

[zenith tundra]

it should be 84% slow with both combined

[split socket]

u mean 85?

[zenith tundra]

no...

100x60%+40x60%

[split socket]

nvm ur right, I'm just too tired lol

[vague token]

math

[vague token]

what a god

[modest elbow]

guys, just for reference what's your point situation and attempts left

wanna compare my point ranking

[vague token]

4/10, 1795. slept through a reset

[ionic magnet]

also, stella do your rounds

[vague token]

lol

[modest elbow]

i'm at 1852 with 5/10 attempts, is this good?

[ionic magnet]

yea can get gensui for sure

i missed too many charges still not sure if i can get it

[modest elbow]

coolio, thanks apparently just staying at 5/10 most of the time works

though i go to 0 if i sleep

[vague token]

i just +10'd another hood gun, all my main gun plates poof

xD

[zenith tundra]

i run out of both mg and planes plates

[vague token]

rip

im holding off using my aux just in case shells are in next core

not that i have enough to +10 my other oxy

[zenith tundra]

they'll announce when we get shells like the mental units for next month

[vague token]

oh, goodie

guess i dont have to worry

xD

[hot creek]

how do you run out of plane parts

[zenith tundra]

never fight aviation and max reppu and ryuusei + other gold fighters

[leaden sequoia]

never enough +10 gold barracudas in my case

[hot creek]

I guess if I went around +10'ing all my trash gold planes I'd run out but I'd rather not. Are you aiming for fleet power or something?

[hybrid tendon]

Screw sandbagging

[zenith tundra]

i was just equipping my cv with decent stuff to make some space and ended up maxing more so i don't swap all the time

[hybrid tendon]

I want to max everything at least once

For science

[vague token]

gotta have spares, also nice

[hybrid tendon]

Have a few +10 btd

[dull hollow]

Nah i just ended up getting swamped by irl

And started playing honkers 3rd

[leaden sequoia]

I just want to get lazy with equip management

bonus point is that I'm unlikely to send a ship naked

[real notch]

Its taking too long for people to find me so i switched over to wasda

[modest elbow]

Hmmm...

Ykkz is okay there at 97?

[real notch]

probably not but i'm switching gear over to level them while exercising

[dry socket]

A full evasion pvp fleet seems fun to pull off

[real notch]

or it's wasted EXP with my 110s amakagas

[dry socket]

likely one of the more annoying fleets to be fighting due to wasting time via stalling

[vague token]

you get more burn chance though

=D

[split socket]

evasion teams aren't really a thing anymore now with aurora/sendai/sirius in the picture

[zenith tundra]

6% burn instead of 3% very useful buff

i still think belfast is good just for dmg reduction against foxes

having jesus and yukikaze survive 1st airstrike is very important

[real notch]

OWO

i have found gurren lagann

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

cool

[ionic magnet]

whats his fleet again

[dry socket]

right, the evasion debuff stacks are a pain, though it still seems like a capable fleet for burning time off the clock

[zenith tundra]

gurren is using wasda not sure about vg

[leaden sequoia]

considering that foxes won't disappear anytime soon from that JP report, belfap is still worth to keep around to 120

I'm using her in mob fleet for w7 hard mode just to get any exp for her

[vague token]

lol

[leaden sequoia]

thankfully, she gets mvp quite easily with belgun against light armored mobs

[zenith tundra]

she's not even bad for pve just costly

[stark raft]

ywis looks at ships on paper and not in practice

[real notch]

if ywis hates the ship, better reason to use it

[zenith tundra]

can u post a pic of gurren fleet?

[real notch]

because you can never trust his opinion on ships if it's based on hate

[leaden sequoia]

I guess I should be thankful to #pvp for giving a reason to have belfap around even after reading ywis' tier guide

[zenith tundra]

lvl 99 yukikaze

[real notch]

lol

[lament lichen]

He didnt rename ykkz

[leaden sequoia]

and she's oathed already

[vague token]

o.o

[leaden sequoia]

he only renames maxed ships?

[real notch]

mine is 97

but he has the skin

[dry socket]

not enough gurren lagann references up their sleeve, it seems

[coral wren]

U know wis's tier list is pve and in the title it even says extra bias

[zenith tundra]

i oathed my yukikaze around lvl 80-85

[real notch]

actually his tier list is pretty good

but we are talking about his rantings in #gameplay-help lol

[coral wren]

Yeah i didn't say it was bad

Lol

[leaden sequoia]

for that reason hanging in #pvp is good to see ships from a different angle

[zenith tundra]

at least oil cost is not a thing in pvp

[real notch]

i think the weird part is he will start insulting you if you use ships he hates

LOL

[ionic magnet]

funny how ywis always shows up whenever someone mentions ARs

[lament lichen]

Lol ARs

I use them

[real notch]

i use ARs too

they have great use in some cases

[lament lichen]

30% heals out of combat

[ionic magnet]

yea theyre very good actually

[coral wren]

They are a lot more helpful if you auto

Yeah the heal is great when u need it

I don't think you need them if you manual tho

[ionic magnet]

only ARs can heal backline anyway

[leaden sequoia]

ykkz

[coral wren]

Life saviors to the fire tick

Vestal, phoenix, some bb is great for siren farming

[vague token]

vestal for torp daily

xD

[zenith tundra]

they should be able to do something 1st tho

[grave gale]

Give the ARs retrofits

[coral wren]

[leaden sequoia]

kill planes

[ionic magnet]

maybe they'll make a 3rd AR

[grave gale]

If enemy ARs can buff enemy ships then make ours do that too. Give them fleet wide passive buffs.

Besides just reload

[coral wren]

Like a dmg buff?

[grave gale]

Like Shoukaku's damage and mitigation buff

except 100% up time

[leaden sequoia]

maybe with skill effect ramping up after every heal

or after every emergency heal (when someone drops to 20%)

[zenith tundra]

finally mogami as ca. no longer a portkai slave

[coral wren]

Indy KAWAIIII

[zenith tundra]

was waiting for her retro to make her a ca from when i got her

[shy hazel]

Reminder maint later

[grave gale]

I'll be using Portland as my mob CA till Roon.

[shy hazel]

First time I got into 300 cubes

Rerun gave me new ships within first ten rolls

Later light hell time

[zenith tundra]

roon is a better boss killer tho

[leaden sequoia]

Louis seems to be better than Roon for mob (and PvP)

due to her evasion peaking at the beginning of the battle

while Roon ramps up

[zenith tundra]

after reading that jp report i feel like oathing my hiryuu already

[coral wren]

So roon is better for boss battles?

[zenith tundra]

it takes time for her reload buff to fully stack so she can wreck stuff with barrage so she's better in longer fights

When firing main gun, increase reload by 1% (3.5%). Can be stacked up to 12 times.
considering that fastest good ca gun is 5.4sec even with her reload and buff it should still take over 40 sec for full stack (no math involved too lazy)

[coral wren]

Hmm so she becomes op around the first half of the boss fight

[zenith tundra]

did some actual math on roon buff and it takes 60.06 sec for her reload buff to fully stack using 203 mle with 200 affection

without oath it's 1 sec slower then that 60.96 secs

[hybrid tendon]

a whole minutes

LUL

[leaden sequoia]

at least her buff partially applies between 0 and 60.06 sec, not nothing at all (cough PH cough)

[zenith tundra]

it's still a ca gun

[grave gale]

The threatening BBs tend to be at the end of the stage.

[zenith tundra]

ofc if fight last that long she's good but most likely saint louis would still outperform roon especially considering the he boost that applies to most enemies

[grave gale]

Even most stages tend to last around 90 seconds when those tanky BBs are involved. Unless you're running a full offensive backline which you wouldn't for trash. Unless you've got oil to burn

[zenith tundra]

well pr ships cost 1 oil more then other ships in same class

[hybrid tendon]

PR ships is awesome and all

but portkai can probably do the same thing

cheaper

I'd still grind for every PR ship

of course

[finite valve]

tell that to w13

[hybrid tendon]

tell that to portkai

[finite valve]

tell that to youtube video not using portkai in w13

[hybrid tendon]

not using =/= cant be used

you can beat w13 with any level 120 lineup with maxed skills and equipments

hurr durr its on youtube so it must be gospel

those youtuber can do nothing wrong

[finite valve]

so you already have it clear correct since you talking other wise?

[hybrid tendon]

yea

thinking that this game is actually hard

its only hard when you are trying to save oil

[finite valve]

implying ppl care about oil at end game with around 20k+ oil in mail

[hybrid tendon]

having oil

do you even grind

sir

[shy hazel]

@zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

?

[shy hazel]

What is bis gears for

Wasda

5 gold sg?

[zenith tundra]

it should be

[shy hazel]

Nvm

[zenith tundra]

4 sg 1 beaver and 1 hsfcr

kind of half asleep lol

[hot creek]

x5 air radars and x1 gold FCR

[zenith tundra]

lol

[vale juniper]

Hell yeah.. Finally

I can reach rank 1 but in different ways..

[coral wren]

grats

[vale juniper]

@coral wren Thanks

[marble sparrow]

Ayaya

Almost there UwU

[vague token]

soon!

[vague token]

oh neat, 100 affinity on ykk

she is surprisingly weak to head pats

[shy hazel]

shikikan pats can make then kansens pregnant what

[hybrid tendon]

the rabbit would get my next ring pack

[vague token]

oh, i got a +1 when ranks were close

weird

thanks match maker

too bad i cant catch up after sleeping on 5 matches

[hot creek]

can't decide if i should even bother leveling sendai's flares.

since it already does what it needs to at lvl 1

[random vault]

maybe on the outside chance that it survives airstrike #1

but im too ocd to leave it at not lv10 anyway

[real notch]

Swapped back to amakaga to test gurren's fleet. 5/5 win loss 50% winrate

Low but my amagi didnt proc first barrage like literally 7 times out of 10 tests so w.e

[random vault]

ultra thicc fleet 💦

[real notch]

Gonna swap over to wasda for purposes of rest of season

[lament lichen]

i just use wasda to lvl ykkz

[vague token]

10 minutes, get all your stuff set up before patch!

[hot creek]

like what

[odd schooner]

Maintenance

[vague token]

i dunno, comms, skill book, etc

just a friendly reminder =(

[odd schooner]

Ye I'm waiting for a comm too

It ends in 4 minutes

[marble sparrow]

Maintenance wat🤔

[odd schooner]

Ok I'm done

Maintenance in 2 minutes

[lament lichen]

[marble sparrow]

Ok fixed mine too

[spare iron]

Is it ok to put weak ships in mt defense fleet in exercise?

[modern tree]

No, it's against Geneva convention. You are breaking international law

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

i use wasda

for pve

[real notch]

How dare you say such blasphemy

Weak ships in pvp?

[hot creek]

sodak's aegis actually helps a lot in pve NoKappa

[modern tree]

Real answer will be different depending where you ask the question. Here everyone will tell you to run a real fleet so they can have fun, but I have met with opinion that if your fleet is hard to beat you are an asshat. Casuals want their merits too I guess

[real notch]

LOOL asshat

[modern tree]

So do whatever matters to you in the end because it's not gonna matter for your pvp experience

[shy hazel]

have you ever encountered

my superior hms fleet

[ionic magnet]

fk forgot to do night comms

def fleet matters cos people judge you from that

[leaden sequoia]

points at Gurren with not renamed ykkz

[real notch]

She could be named "ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER"

[lament lichen]

2 named after songs, one after a person, another after an attack

cant tell what juneau is suppose to say

[hybrid tendon]

just name your ships after musical references

like crazy diamond or killer queen

[shy hazel]

i planned to name ships by certain words but only few alllowed

Thot Slut Hooker Bich

[hybrid tendon]

you reminded me of myself

when i was 10

"i use grown up language guys"

[shy hazel]

sorry im just 10

[hybrid tendon]

"i just randomly using derogatory terms and slurs because it sounds cool, guys "

[shy hazel]

hey why not 👀

its all just showing off names anywys

and of course to shit on your waifu

[hybrid tendon]