pvp

[zenith tundra]

fuck that useless crap

[split socket]

who knows, maybe they do

[zenith tundra]

bomb boats are the only thing that makes cv not usable as solo in pve

[split socket]

also maybe we can finally see some use of BBV?

[zenith tundra]

why not just remove that instead of an overcomplicated thing that nerf other comps

[split socket]

just for airspace control but still having some of the firepower of bb

[zenith tundra]

bbv problem is non existent air dmg and no 2nd gun to kill bomb boats

[split socket]

honestly I rly don't see what the problem is

the numbers aren't that huge that it would suddenly make bb useless or anything

[zenith tundra]

the problem is giving players negatives stats for not using cvs

[split socket]

they are simply bringing CVs up a bit more so they are not as useless as you say they are

[ionic magnet]

to be fair BBs are too strong rn so they kinda need some "nerf"

[split socket]

negative stats in a nerfed world

[zenith tundra]

the enemies have massive aa and u need to nerf bbs

what kind of logic is that

[split socket]

they - are - nerfing - w1-12

[ionic magnet]

most enemies in pve are light armors

[split socket]

anyway, I'll just wait. It'll take forever for such a patch to come to en anyway

[zenith tundra]

who cares cv will still die in 1:1 comps to bomb boats

nothing will change that

in airspace thing

[split socket]

well removing bomb ships would

[zenith tundra]

but they are adding aa ships instead

[split socket]

as I said, they are nerfing those worlds. That might include decreasing the amount of bomb ships

[zenith tundra]

good luck with ur plane dmg even more

[split socket]

ok whatever

[zenith tundra]

accept the fact that they didn't really make cv better they just plain and simple added a mechanic that nerfed non cv comps. the extra damage is most likely nullified by aa boats already

[ionic magnet]

again, nothing wrong with that to me

[zenith tundra]

also aa boats after new trash essex cv that require ur plane to die

[split socket]

the patch isn't even out, u haven't even tried it. I don't know why you are already claiming it's a fact

[ionic magnet]

it gives players more options instead of the "put 3 BBs and done" thing

[zenith tundra]

i fail to see how forcing people into using cv is a good thing instead of just decreasing enemies aa and reducing the number of/removing bomb boats

[ionic magnet]

well to me, more viable ships = better

[split socket]

remember crimson echoes? Amagi said CV meta

so cv meta

[ionic magnet]

imagine devs releasing new ships and you see its a CV "oh its just another CV who cares"

[zenith tundra]

any non cv comp in w12 is dead

even with nerfs

[split socket]

lol I don't even know what to say anymore

but u do u 😄

[ionic magnet]

dont you want to use your CVs

[modest elbow]

what do now for w12

[zenith tundra]

taking 10% more dmg from plane hell and having evasion and accuracy on - is not gonna make w12 fun for anyone

[split socket]

nothing, we just got w11

[zenith tundra]

if they do 100k dmg in a boss fight sure

as i said don't expect that to be the case

aa ships because of this btw
10 seconds after the start of the battle, launch one remote controlled F6F fighter; if the fighter is shot down, launch an aerial barrage (damage increases with level); every 8 seconds after launching the fighter, increase self accuracy by 1.0% (3.0%) and damage by 2.5% (7.0%), can be stacked 5 times.

[sour oasis]

Ugh. Amaga fleets now rolling out Sirius and making my non-Amaga fleets cry harder. Can't believe I'm going to say this: Sandykai, when will you save meeee?

[modern tree]

You do realize those buffs/debuffs are for cv only and if you run none, it's not a problem? And this is a pvp room, this mechanic was announced only for w1-13 so far so discussing it here is pointless

[zenith tundra]

ur right not right place but the buff and debuffs are not for cv only wtf

read the thing better next time

[lament lichen]

They buffed ap shells for backline again

More damage to light armor now

[zenith tundra]

ap bullets were really heavily unused

[lament lichen]

Some ap shells from skills also do more to light armors according to the jp twitter

Arcing barrages

[zenith tundra]

in patch note they only talk about the armor break thing not ap modifiers. but if they changed ap modifiers i would guess the damage should change too

[hybrid tendon]

well

ap damage from skills doesnt cause the effect

people would just use gunboats with a secondary gun slot

for AP gun

also they should buff normal

for example, HE and AP has extra effects

normal should have more raw damage

instead of being absolutely garbage

[vale juniper]

In this game, HE>AP Gun

[zenith tundra]

the armor break only applies to bb shells no other class ap guns and not to barrages. even so can't really see the usefulness of it since chances are ur other shoots will aim for a different target instead and making the debuff pretty useless

[sharp obsidian]

What's the best counter to those Ama SoDa Wash comps? I find my usual Amakaga to be having a tough time with those

[lament lichen]

Make your vg tanky and dont kill their vg fast

Keeping both alive for awhile does help unless lvl difference

[zenith tundra]

use juneau and use ryuusei on kaga

u can also move ur amagi on same spot as opponent amagi

[sharp obsidian]

Hmm... I use Jintsuu Belfast Aurora VG as my all purpose attack fleet

I suppose I should switch out Bel for 3BB comps?

[lament lichen]

Take out aurora

[sharp obsidian]

Man, I was hoping for a one size fits all attack Fleet but these 3BBs have gotten tougher with 110 oddly enough

[zenith tundra]

if u use cls might want to use boilers too. the speed helps dodging sheels

[sharp obsidian]

Gocha! Thanks. Seems like it's back to counter fleets. Having the one Fleet to rule them all was good for a while.

[lament lichen]

Not donald trump

[modest elbow]

What frontline do you guys use with wasd + amagi?

[coral wren]

bel+jin+aur

[empty sinew]

wow

Duke's 1st salvo + QE buff can 1shot Enty

[modern tree]

Are you sure?

[empty sinew]

but then again, I have 5 lvls on my opp's Enty and the 20% buff

still a fun sight to behold tho

it was a 110 vs 105 interaction, both oathed
guess it was the lvl advantage, but still

[dense lynx]

[pearl nimbus]

Helena+Big E+DoY

[empty sinew]

1 shot starter pack

[pearl nimbus]

Boy oh boy do I love damage modifiers.

[dense lynx]

[vague token]

dd ap gun rework when

[modern tree]

ykkz in 2 days, neat

[vague token]

wait already?

that was fast xD

[finite valve]

d2 farm intensifies lel

[modern tree]

I am glad I didnt blow all my fuel farming for Sendai

[vague token]

what's on d2 again?

[modern tree]

is there really much point to farm third reppu if you get second from exchange? they are not great for pve

[finite valve]

same reason apply to ryuusei you know

[modern tree]

Ryuusei is super usable for pve. Reppu is a decent fighter, but if flies so fast off the screen that its interception is just the burst

[coral wren]

Was there any specific info on how much are they going to buff ap shells?

[buoyant parrot]

@zenith tundra 5mins before reset of 3am my time

[modern tree]

The specyiics is that they will have a chance(?) to apply a debuff that increases shelling damage taken. Someone spoke about increasing the damage percentage against ligt a bit, but I didnt see any source on that.

[vague token]

here's a google translate of their tweet:
https://gyazo.com/57baf2f18a12fe4d18ae7822b73c02c6

so ONLY heavy armor

ONLY main fleet ap guns

the debuff however probably works on everyone

is my guess

pretty much negligible in pvp id say unless your vanguard walks up to nagato

and shoots at her

[coral wren]

Oh man, it would be nice if that buff would give us a choice between ap and he, so we could pick first against strong bbs setups and he against cv, instead of rolling straight with he

[vague token]

the thing is, AP already has a better damage ratio against CV lol

for BBs

[coral wren]

it does, but, not that much

[vague token]

cause anyone besides armored carriers uses medium armor

[coral wren]

is it like 10% difference?

or 15

[vague token]

110 to 130

[coral wren]

if anyone remembers

[vague token]

about 18% increase

[hidden wyvern]

Different weapons and shell types do different damage based on the armor of the target, as shown in the picture.

Also remember the following

• 航空 (aviation) enemies are weak to airstikes
• 主砲 (maingun) enemies are weak to main gun (CA gun, BB gun, DD gun, CL gun)
• 雷擊 (torpedo) enemies are weak to torpedo

anything that the enemies are not weak against are resisted heavily by them

[vague token]

yes, which means from HE

which is 110

is about 15-20% boost

but it's like 18% to be precise

so yeah, this change only really helps pve sadly

unless you're against like triple heavy meme team

[coral wren]

will that % cover up for HE's DoT dmg?

[vague token]

nope lol

unless the damage boost on ap against heavy

is like

50% or w/e

although obviously the hood gun burns are less

since their base damage is lower

but compared to 406 or 410 them burn ticks hurt

[winged idol]

Lol

First time it happens to me

[vague token]

congrats

now you gotta hold it

[winged idol]

I'll be surclassed in few minutes

[vague token]

so just doing approx on the formula, most 406 burn ticks are for about 700

we'll say amagi is always there reducing it by what, 15%?

also it ticks 5 times over 15 seconds

so yeah that's a lot of damage

[lament lichen]

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[vague token]

yeah

[lament lichen]

The changes they are going to do for AP guns

[vague token]

battleship ap guns

no one else =/

[lament lichen]

This is the tweet that talks about the additional changes to main fleet AP shells against light armors

[vague token]

is that farther down?

i only see it talking about heavy in the main tweet

[lament lichen]

徹甲弾及び一部徹甲弾弾幕が軽装甲に与えるダメージを上方修正

this talks about it

[vague token]

oof

also, can you translate it xD

google translate doesnt like it =/

[ionic magnet]

so much for 2 weeks break

vdir tmr lmao

[shy hazel]

🏳️‍🌈

[ivory vine]

rainbow di- torpedo

[shy hazel]

dildo

i wasnt able to overflow gold

[zenith tundra]

@buoyant parrot thank you. you can also just type the score for rank 1 it's the same

i have 30k gold wtf

i don't mind it so soon but i wish i saved gold

[shy hazel]

so how many cubes

[zenith tundra]

396 not even 400

[shy hazel]

better

i have a bad feeling about thus limited gacha

pool is too big

[modern tree]

same, washed myself to 0 for sheff, now at 200

[shy hazel]

210

4000gems to buy cubes if needed

[elder crane]

I went up from 300 to 350 over the course of the event, somehow
I'm at over 400 right now, 1 sec for exact value

[zenith tundra]

i had 4.2k gems but had to buy 2 rings for nanoda and sendai

also need nanoda skin

[elder crane]

443

[zenith tundra]

so rest is for money i guess

[shy hazel]

im just buy if i need more

[elder crane]

Yeah, on the bright side, I think I might have enough spare monies for the largest gem pack now

[shy hazel]

kind of

excited and not

at the same time

[elder crane]

inb4 Nowaki trolls me again for the rerun

[shy hazel]

event will be two weeks only　now

[zenith tundra]

not that i mind it tbh

[shy hazel]

guess after that announcement theyre fixing some things

[elder crane]

Whoah, that's short, I didn't notice that

Well, glad I'm stockpiling at least, RIP those who were relying on a longer run to get ships

[shy hazel]

got all previous ships so i only want new ships

but the big pool will prolly suck all cubes

lol

[zenith tundra]

i have a feeling mogami just won't drop

[elder crane]

Well, with Minnie already out, she's not a super unique role anymore at least

[shy hazel]

oh wait

mogami is droppable?

[elder crane]

No, cons only iirc

[zenith tundra]

i meant from build

mb

[shy hazel]

still two goals in cons then

👀

[elder crane]

3 for me, with nowaki as well

[zenith tundra]

the worse part will be getting zui with 0.7% and not nanoda with 2% as always

[shy hazel]

they shouldve

just make zui tradable only

she drops she cons she trades

[zenith tundra]

i don't think i'll keep non retro ise only hyuuga

[shy hazel]

can finally grind sendai abd ykkz together

assuming i get ykkz early

im not planning to oath sendai rn though

[zenith tundra]

i'll have yukikaze 2 hrs in even if i need to buy the 80$ gems

[shy hazel]

until im sure shell be a regular in our meta

[real notch]

owo bluerendar is on my list

@elder crane will you be doing any more runs

[buoyant parrot]

Gold is my problem, welp I'll just 🐋 then

[vague token]

i bought 5 ironblood crates at the store and then after that they announce rerun tomorrow

my gold

=(

[shy hazel]

all according to keikaku

[leaden sequoia]

that's why you always keep your gold stash close to your limit

this user never follows his advice himself

dw, I slept over 3 attempts

freaking again

[shy hazel]

when did u move to sandy

🤔

[leaden sequoia]

I assumed everyone here is on Sandy

unless stated otherwise

[shy hazel]

o i meant cya

me avrora pls

i wont even sandbag if i was on sandy

what

who is the cyaneko i meet in pvp

[leaden sequoia]

moar cyanekos

[shy hazel]

imposiburu

i meani fought u using poi once

i tot u were in avrora all along

wtf

[vague token]

lol

[leaden sequoia]

what is this, clone wars now

[vague token]

is there a faker?

[shy hazel]

inb4 pvp is cross server

[vague token]

that would be cool but xD

but muh reppu

[shy hazel]

the new one

the old one 🚮

[vague token]

or double rainbow aya memes

xD

[shy hazel]

but i least i got two jap planes

and rainbow dildo

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

🏳️‍🌈

igot enuf gen plates

[leaden sequoia]

me Wash pleb extremely happy to get even single rainbow meme

[shy hazel]

too many points in core too

[leaden sequoia]

🌈

[shy hazel]

idont feel like

getting another hood gun

[leaden sequoia]

flexing purple general plates

[shy hazel]

i have spares for planes

i used quite alot of plates for pve

only got enuf for rainbow dildo

[vague token]

i need so many more general and gun plates for literally any experiment x_x

[leaden sequoia]

I pulled a Hellcat and a Heccdabber yesterday from 5 crates

devs just so happened to announce VDiR to be tomorrow

-_-

[shy hazel]

kinda funny

[leaden sequoia]

2 resets for me

[shy hazel]

feels like sudden buttsecks

what u mean by resets

pvp?

[leaden sequoia]

server resets

[lament lichen]

183 cubes

[shy hazel]

o

[lament lichen]

you poor soul

[leaden sequoia]

387 cubes

not worried about cubes at all really

it's gold that matters

[lament lichen]

all in the mail

[leaden sequoia]

only 31k now

and 2k in main

[shy hazel]

i only got 220 cubes lol

overall

[lament lichen]

but then we have more dailies

[shy hazel]

got all units from previous vdir though

[vague token]

that's a lot of money

[leaden sequoia]

holy, 129k monie

[shy hazel]

129k is only like what

50 rolls

i only have 60k

[leaden sequoia]

86

[shy hazel]

so half of that

lol

[leaden sequoia]

172 cubes

[vague token]

lol

[leaden sequoia]

F2P

[vague token]

i only whale on skins and stuff

[shy hazel]

ialways buy cubes if i need

vdir this time is two weeks only

[leaden sequoia]

oh yeah

major event

2 weeks

[vague token]

i mean, at least the most important thing is build for us xD

[idle python]

dw we'll have multiple people get the 100k t5box in 2 weeks

[shy hazel]

it only changed on german evrnt anyways

[leaden sequoia]

muh reppuu and ryuusei farm tho

[shy hazel]

t5box with crane inside

[leaden sequoia]

it's 1.5x less time for top-tier planes, dang it

[shy hazel]

im grinding to 60k

for all those bps

gotta hoard more

[leaden sequoia]

compared to previous run, I'm actually here at all to farm though

[shy hazel]

farm points on reppue farm

farmed zui to almost mlb

last event

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

this time gacha has three ssrs

10 ssk 10 zzk before ykkz

the curse is now set

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/478121274581843971/549023657570074661/1550937861894.gif

[vague token]

isnt the rate on zzk pretty low?

[leaden sequoia]

0.7%

whereas other ssrs have 2%

[shy hazel]

rates are a scam

[vague token]

she shouldnt steal our drops for ykk xD

[lament lichen]

geez these people pushing so dam late

[shy hazel]

i alwayd get shittons of other ssr

before the higher rate one

lul

[hot creek]

I will push in 5 minutes

[shy hazel]

inb4

your phone tells you to replace it

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

gonna gear up my defense fleet now

[vague token]

replace phone for pvp

[real notch]

since we're at +15 point gain

[vague token]

the true meta

[real notch]

someone please test against it

i need to check if i should use ryuusei or cudas

[shy hazel]

imgonna buy a new phone if that happens to me

[vague token]

jk use an emulator

[shy hazel]

iplay at work

[vague token]

oh

[shy hazel]

boss cant tell me shit if hes the one playing games more

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

we need phone in my line of work anyways

jap translation

[hot creek]

lmao my leftmost is finally pushing

time to wait 2 more mins

[shy hazel]

453 5/10

what are your scores now

[vague token]

451 4/10

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

guess u same as me

moderate sandbagger

[vague token]

im mostly here for comp stuff

im super casual

in terms of sandbagging

i usually do them on whim or do like 10 at once if it's before sleep

[leaden sequoia]

407 5/10 🤦

could've been 452 by now

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

slept too long

[leaden sequoia]

yeh

eh, whatever

[vague token]

ill sleep as long as i need, pvp can wait

xD

[hot creek]

FUCK. Only had 20 seconds to spare, that was way too fucking close

never doing that again

[shy hazel]

[leaden sequoia]

I'm on Wash, can still pull this off, I tell ya

[shy hazel]

what fleet u even using

phx

[leaden sequoia]

I once finished an Amakaga 5 attempts speedrun 2 seconds before server reset

so it's ok

[lament lichen]

454 10/10

[shy hazel]

its phx so hes prolly using wasda

which is so,slow

[leaden sequoia]

wasda speedrun

[vague token]

i havent faced a single 110 backline yet

so everything is still faceroll

[hot creek]

there's only one fleet that can do four battles in three minutes

[vague token]

that sounds like oof

gotcha

ah

i dont have akagi, i literally cant xD

[shy hazel]

i had always used wasda before foxes meta

if im gobna raise something

ita just oathing o guess

[leaden sequoia]

I have 110 Amagi + 100 Akaga still

[vague token]

true

[leaden sequoia]

had to reroll 4 times to win against Amagi/Dork/Hiryuu lvl 110

[shy hazel]

wasda yukikaze juneau cancer def fleet

[vague token]

hey that sounds like my fleet

xD

[shy hazel]

welcome to the future of stalling

[leaden sequoia]

that one also had Aya 110, Jintsuu 108 and someone 105

[shy hazel]

[leaden sequoia]

Jun 105, I think

[vague token]

ok that doesnt sound like me

[leaden sequoia]

Kiroshima lmao

[shy hazel]

i still think its a bad offense team

[vague token]

look man i dont have jintsuu

[shy hazel]

but i think its good def

lol

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/34e70b3be4470ef78e518d72be28c2e4

sometimes you make do

[shy hazel]

until shells happens

[leaden sequoia]

no, I mean, your "sounds like me" - "doesn't sound like me" chain

I don't have Jintsuu either

[shy hazel]

i remember wasde era

lol

all dmg relies on backline

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

then you pray ent wipes enemy vg

and u kill his jun first

[vague token]

you mean pray operation rainbow doesnt proc

[shy hazel]

zulul

torpslapping

[vague token]

i didnt even have problems with rainbow/juneau though

as soon as i maxed aurora

and used a CA

you can gun down a CL or a DD

before 20 seconds

no biggy

[shy hazel]

i mean 10 seasons ago

wasde era

aurora doesnt even

exist

lol

fights takes so long

unlimited owarida works

[vague token]

o.O

i just reset

it's faster

than waiting

[shy hazel]

you remember those glorious days

[vague token]

as soon as wash failed to kill their e and theirs failed to kill mine

i just insta reset

[shy hazel]

qhen enemy ent is at top left

[vague token]

im not gonna wait for owari da duels

[shy hazel]

and u tot she didnt proc owarida

lbut she did

and u didnt

so u lost

[vague token]

oof

[leaden sequoia]

I tend to focus on enemies more than on my fleet

so I definitely see if enemy owarida procs

but I forget to look at mine

and I have to guess "did mine proc, or did she not"

when planes are halfway to each other already

[shy hazel]

did switch leave pvp

hes in my leftmost

@livid fractal

are you still awake

[leaden sequoia]

leave #pvp for #sleep

thonk

[shy hazel]

might as well reset

if he sleeping

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

switch is the type to sleep then wake up before reset though

i think

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

i do mine differently

i do per hour

get bonus or not

if i get bonus earlief to do charge earlier though

[leaden sequoia]

do you do that for 5 attempts rushers?

or only for 10

[shy hazel]

5

i never use more than 5 charges

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, if someone in your list does only 5 attempts

would you snatch bonus right away

or rather wait until they do 10

[shy hazel]

i just snatch right away i almost never wait

nvm i actually wait about

10 mins

[buoyant parrot]

if they have 10/10 and their at your rank level you don't expect them to use all that. You know at 1st glance they are a competitor and that's assuming you know they have 10/10 to begin with

[shy hazel]

right nowm at 2k

my opponent rank 220

i dont think hell go lower so i attack now

[buoyant parrot]

not unless you're like @shy hazel who asks @odd schooner if he will attack or spent all his attack 😏

[shy hazel]

the earlier i attack the more time i have to get a bite later

[buoyant parrot]

[shy hazel]

gurrenn was kicked out of my leftmost last time

so its all good

+4

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel it took some time before Ciel moved so I can't do anything

[ivory vine]

tfw i need 31 points to rank up

[shy hazel]

[ivory vine]

so im gonna play 2 games at +15 each

get +16 on the first game w/o sandbagging

[shy hazel]

someone else stole leftmost from u anyways

another rank 300

[livid fractal]

@shy hazel I just woke up lol

[shy hazel]

i just refresh

and thank god

i did

got max point bonus

[livid fractal]

Nice, I usually attack at this hour

[trail hollow]

Whats the best HMS setup atm?

[elder crane]

Qe dork hood probs

[clear cloud]

dork qe warspite hood pick 3
frontline maybe belfast jessus fortune

[trail hollow]

Planning to run with this

[steep fog]

drop edin for jesus

[elder crane]

pick 3
Warspite, Dork, Hood
Am I doing this right

Drop Aurora in that imo

[clear cloud]

if your aurora die b4 your backline salvo
drop her

[trail hollow]

But i want a full hms

Last time i did pvp was back in december

[elder crane]

BBs don't need her acc as much regardless

[zenith tundra]

use sheffield thn

[leaden sequoia]

Full hms not viable before Nep, I think

[trail hollow]

So no idea of the metas atm

[shy hazel]

yeah use sheffield

[elder crane]

Full HMS, Bel/Fortune/Edin or Leander probs

Drop Bel if not vs Foxes for Sheff or whatnot, maybe?

[trail hollow]

Never liked fortune even thou i have her all maxed out

Im talking about defense

Just asking for metas atm

[elder crane]

Oh, def, idk if a good HMS def is realizable

Pretty sure any top team just rolls anything HMS

[trail hollow]

Hmmm

Guess ill just stick to what i have

[marble sparrow]

Mfw i dropped to top 30 cuz i almost forgot to do now im tied with alot of other ppl point wise 🤔

Cuz i do late ;~;

[shy hazel]

homete homete

why do you even rush ranks on seaso.n start

go sandbag

we must show u da wey

[hybrid tendon]

dont do it

[marble sparrow]

Cuz i worried i fall too far behind >.>

[hybrid tendon]

we need something to step on

when we are rushing

[marble sparrow]

OuO my fleet will not falter!

[hybrid tendon]

too late

[shy hazel]

learn from your senpais here

sandbag is life.tm

[empty sinew]

how does Dork, Amagi, QE sound for a HMS-esq backline

wanna use Amagi for Hood cuz she's lvl 110 vs 100
viable or nah?

[steep fog]

just throw away QE

[empty sinew]

[steep fog]

and run enty

[empty sinew]

enty eww

i just wanna use my hms vanguards so QE stays

[shy hazel]

nah

current hms pvp is bad

at least backline

[empty sinew]

welp im bored of akaga

[shy hazel]

still got excellent frontline units

[empty sinew]

it's gotten stale

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy hazel]

any meta is stale

[empty sinew]

heh true

[shy hazel]

i mean u can use it as def fleet

as an i hate mainstream meme fleet

but use it as offense then youll lose charges

[empty sinew]

my defense is Dork, Amagi, QE

just wanna flex my 110's

[shy hazel]

mydef is full hms

wanna see

[empty sinew]

yeet

also, aurora has no/little value with a BB backline yeah?

[shy hazel]

meta

[empty sinew]

Vicky

[shy hazel]

not that aurora has mo value

shes just 50% more useless

i guess

[empty sinew]

ooft

[shy hazel]

if youre planning to put jint and torp memes with her though

if u dont

then might as well be worthless

[empty sinew]

might as well go for all out BB stalling with Fortune + Nanoda if im planning to use BBs eh?

[shy hazel]

i might as well use

wasda

nanoda bel and jun

for pure front memery

[empty sinew]

undead memes

until PR CAs

[shy hazel]

neptune should be yea

zombie that does dmg

[modern tree]

I guess I should stop sleeping because if I do, people start calling HMS bad

[ionic magnet]

but they are bad

[modern tree]

It did take me a while to figure out gear for them that makes them feel competitive, since just using cookie cutter shit is trash

I have not found any decent wasd to test against, but the backline trashes Amakaga

Depending on how mgm shots resolve, you end up sinking one or two main liners after first round of shells, before they can strike second time

[ionic magnet]

nani trashes amakaga

like how much winrate?

[pearl nimbus]

Backline does actually trash Amakaga on attacker. HMS is actually quite strong.

[ionic magnet]

we're talking about maxed amakaga right? with jint+aurora+jesus

[modern tree]

Hard to reset test atm cuz most of the fleets are going to be casual

[ionic magnet]

true

but last time i tried hms, it was not good at all so

[pearl nimbus]

WS+Hood is op op vs Amakaga. Plus, then you have Belfast.

I actually find that HMS fleets give me the most trouble when attacking (as Amakaga).

[modern tree]

But since we got chips, I didn't really have to reset against anyone when climbing, and I get to play like 4 games in 10 mins before reset quite safely

We still don't even have shells

[ionic magnet]

lets just save this debate for when everyone is already 110

but i refuse to call hms good til then lol

[pearl nimbus]

HMS is fine though.

If anything it's a lot better thanks to DoY being an option.

[odd schooner]

@modern tree since you're also trying 3bb. Have you tried out if all 3 BBs are better at using 2 shell mainguns like 381 and 410 than having 1 410/381 and 2 406

[clear cloud]

so go back to the usual hood warspite?

[ionic magnet]

if anyone rolled me im using 10 charges now 👀

[clear cloud]

or ditch qe for dork?

[modern tree]

I will be honest, I am pretty fucking committed to this meme between oaths and bizarre gear, so it's probably not a clear indication of the HMS being great, but you can put them at 70-80 percent winrate if you try

[pearl nimbus]

Ditch QE on HMS fleets

idk about that one....

Is that a legit thing rn?

[ionic magnet]

yea 80% wr sounds about right

[odd schooner]

Some ppl found my fleet but never told if i need to adjust mainguns when i asked them

[modern tree]

I am currently using 381 410 and 406 cuz Hood barrage, doy debuff, qe slamming it with her surprisingly high fp

Doy has to have fast guns to amp torps and qe shelling

[odd schooner]

Hmm maybe i could try that

[modern tree]

It's probably functional on wasd amagi, same principle, Amagi barrage, Wash laying hurt timed with her barrage, sodak slamming it with focus

Can run 2 406 with gold fcr or Reloader to stagger. Might benefit wasd more chz more time for vgs to sink

HMS never really loses their entire front

[odd schooner]

Ye when i check screenies from others i see only one ship left on their fleet

That is when i was using 381/410/410

The problem with 406 is that

It's always during lucky E

[marble sparrow]

Hmm... This reset i got to no 6 🤔

Hopefully tmr can sandbag back to top 3

[odd schooner]

So that's like if foxes won't work, enty will

I guess 410 406 would fix it

But i wonder if it's going to be wash or sodak

[vale juniper]

Damn man.. I was fucced out from 1700+ rank

[odd schooner]

@marble sparrow daily pat homete and she will push you to numba 1

[marble sparrow]

I summmon homete flood to sink all da owari das

Me rn >.>

[vale juniper]

Anyone can beat my Fleet in PvP..??

I just want to know how strong my fleet :"3

Server Sandy

[odd schooner]

I'm throwing snow balls on amakaga when I'm bored so ye

[vale juniper]

Why bored..?? :"3

[odd schooner]

I rarely grind on AL nowadays and probably to secure this season cause i got carried away from last 2 seasons

What i do is atk the 13.4k amakaga person on my list and reset before his last ship sinks

[marble sparrow]

Im just waiting for discount promise ring >.>

[vale juniper]

Hahaha rip

[marble sparrow]

To ring my aurora and sirius

[odd schooner]

Probably the reason why I'm having issues with bb mainguns lately

Because i could tell something is wrong but i couldn't get much data what possible guns would i go for

[vale juniper]

@odd schooner If your Fleet using BB/BC n no CV/CVL, I suggest you using 'Hood' Main Gun Gold Gear

All of 3 shipfus in Main Fleet

Because that Main Gun has fast reload n in this game HE>AP Main Gun

Especially for BB/BC

[vague token]

especially for dd xD

[vale juniper]

My DD always use HE :"3

[odd schooner]

Ye i got 2 381 but latest pic where i was tagged it didn't dent the last ship standing on enemy fleet

[ionic magnet]

nah don't feel too bad about losing on defense

every fleet loses on defense against a decent attacker

[vale juniper]

@odd schooner Buy 1 more n your BB/BC Main Fleet will be great

[ionic magnet]

that's how broken 20% atk bonus is

[vale juniper]

So in this game we who called attacker always win although enemies have high power..??

So we didn't against Real Time n Real Power of mine n enemies..??

[ionic magnet]

first of all, power rating is a meme (dont look at it)

what im saying is, there's no defense fleet that can reliably win against a "decent" attacker

rng can fk us up it happens from time to time

[vague token]

rng is going to go down since we got 110 though

[vale juniper]

I hope PvP system will be change like most RPG game

[vague token]

cause defense is going up

[ionic magnet]

but losing on defense is really just a normal thing

so dont feel too bad about it

[vale juniper]

Anyone ever play PvP in Lineage 2 / L2Revolution here..??

[odd schooner]

I guess i could use fast gun on sodak

[vale juniper]

I love its PvP in that game

[vague token]

hood gun on sodak? xD

[odd schooner]

Y-yeah pogg

[vague token]

feels like a waste

[odd schooner]

Like

381 amagi sodak

[ionic magnet]

406 should be best right?

[odd schooner]

Yeah but I'm going to try 3 different timers this time

[ionic magnet]

[odd schooner]

Cause it's harder to get feedback lately

[vale juniper]

I'm using it.. But just for PvE

Hood Gun on SoDak :"3

[vague token]

i think the 410 is ok on sodak but since owari da isnt around dont really need it

[odd schooner]

Ciel and Sumire Uesaka haven't found me, luki owned me with 105s (i did get some data) and stella didn't bother attacking me

[vague token]

xD

i havent seen you in a while on my list i think

like at least a month or w/e

[odd schooner]

I was out 2 seasons

[vague token]

ah ok

[odd schooner]

I screwed up midway

On both seasons

[vague token]

oof

[odd schooner]

The last one was due to dst

[vague token]

yeah

that was something xD

[odd schooner]

Oh ye @buoyant parrot you are using bofors right

Like

5 bofors 1 ufo

I might ask sumire as welp

[vague token]

i thought everyone was using more ufos and a little bit of bofors

for tuning

[coral wren]

ufos are harder to get 😄

[vague token]

true

[odd schooner]

I have more ufos but

Idk really

So I'm asking the other 2

I would ask trump too but i guess he's on the capital

[vague token]

kek

just fly over there

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

climb over the wall and ask him his fleet setup

think imma awaken minne to 110 and keep her in pvp for now

need 80 more cog chips though X_x

[odd schooner]

I forgot we got this

[marble sparrow]

Yey

[vague token]

[marble sparrow]

Should have got it before i went pvp 🤔

[real notch]

oh god lol 13.6k amakaga

[vague token]

eep

[real notch]

unoptimal

[vague token]

i think once hiryuu hits 110 ill just barely break 13k

xD

[real notch]

i am feverishly leveling my hiryuu

i have a feeling ryuusei might be finally ready to come out of it's cave

with lv 110 and sendai, fox strikes can more consistently 1shot VG

[vague token]

im gonna wait until more 110s show up before i swap

[odd schooner]

Isn't amakaga around 13.3 13.4

[vague token]

cuda general pressure is really good for sweeping backline atm

[real notch]

uhh

maxed amakaga should be 13323

[ionic magnet]

i remember zack posting a while back

its around 13.4k

[real notch]

and i mean should as in, with my ™ build that times amagi barrage with sendai flare

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

u mean

double ryuusei is good vs the possible comeback of wasda

[real notch]

Yup possibly

Anyways, this amagi build does 30% less dmg

This one does 30% more dmg

Just for visual help

[glossy jay]

[real notch]

By dmg i mean barrage dmg

[ionic magnet]

wdym by 30% less dmg

as in per salvo or total

[shy hazel]

do you mean with sendai

because u need to match the timing

[real notch]

yea, the benefit you get by timing with sendai flare

is 30% more barrage dmg than the current optimal amagi build

exactly 30%

[hot creek]

still no sendai for me

[ionic magnet]

how did you get the 30%

[real notch]

i worked with dunk on this calc

it required more work because of the complexity of amagi barrage, armor types, accuracy, EVA, burn dmg,. etc.

but factoring everything in, you're better off losing 40 FP (from HCFR, twin 381mm) and timing with flare

than keep the 40FP, and mistime the flare

[ivory vine]

but what about using 406?

[ionic magnet]

yes of course

thats the whole point of using sendai xD

[real notch]

there is no difference in barrage dmg between using the twin 410mm or the triple 406mm

[ivory vine]

410 is still before flare with hsfcr

[real notch]

well, it was not clear and obvious, hence the whole point of this calc

[vale juniper]

@real notch Man.. You're fuckin' True Hardcore until make a research like that

[ivory vine]

381 isnt before flare without hsfcr either

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

well

[ivory vine]

but im assuming you were just dropping fcr instead of switching gun too

[real notch]

you should thank dunk, he did most of the work

[vale juniper]

I don't even think to make like that

[real notch]

410 with HFCR is not before flare

@ivory vine

[ivory vine]

it was when i was using it against belfast

[ionic magnet]

how does it look like if you're not using sendai btw

[real notch]

you either have non BiS or your amag is not maxed

[ivory vine]

before 381 came out

it hit before smoke

[real notch]

wait

sorry, degen i misunderstood your sentence

no, what you said is correct

all conventional primary guns fire before flare as long as you have HFCR

that's why you must get rid of HFCR to time sendai flare

that's what i tested

[shy hazel]

do we have calc on additional foxes dmg

[ivory vine]

i wasnt 100% sure on 406 cuz it was like 8.8s or some shit

and barrage doesnt hit exactly when it fires

[real notch]

that's pretty clear

with foxes, you are hitting 3/4 of your shots instead of 2/3

[shy hazel]

sendai is good but with conditions yeah

[real notch]

so dmg calcs are pretty simple

[shy hazel]

im deciding rn whether

who to replace

or what fleet to use

[real notch]

currently i'm just following the golden meta of previous CN/JP

with sendai, aurora, jintsuu

[shy hazel]

sendai should be a set with aurora

yeah just what i thought

[real notch]

with YKKZ, i'll raise her, and maybe flex out jintsuu

[shy hazel]

rather than amagi

it was nagato though

[ionic magnet]

how are your fights so far? isnt that vg all squishy

[real notch]

well, my sendai is level 99 not 100 yet

(but good enough i guess)

i haven't had enough fights to really test her at 100

[vale juniper]

I hate slow reload gun, guys

I never use 3 or 4-gun turrets

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

so far, it is sort of RNG

sometimes sendai will derp and flare in a really awkward corner

and miss the VG

or amagi's barrage will miss the VG, or the flare, or both

or amagi's barrage might not proc at all

[ionic magnet]

i imagine you can easily clear enemy vg but your vg drops fast as well

[real notch]

uhhh

[shy hazel]

basically

[real notch]

actually no, it's rarely a backline vs. backline fight

[shy hazel]

sendai is powerful but inconsistent

[real notch]

my VG is 9/10 of the time alive

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

because the enemy VG dies 14 secs in

so they don't fire 2nd round torps

and i kill 3 AA guns by 14 secs

[ionic magnet]

ah i meant mirrors

[real notch]

sometimes, even by 12 secs

yea i am also talking about mirrors

[ionic magnet]

but well not enough sendais rn

[real notch]

oh, yea not against mirror sendais

[shy hazel]

skills arent maxed yet

[real notch]

i haven't even seen 1 sendai in fights yet

[ionic magnet]

mine is still lv 65

[shy hazel]

then youll see nanoda shake more things up

[ionic magnet]

how the hell is yours already 99

[shy hazel]

lul

[real notch]

i think the real crazy thing you can do with sendai, is wipe 1 or 2 VG by 12 secs

so RIGHT after amagi barrage

then when foxes fly in, their AA circle is already crippled

so you just run them over with touchdown dmg

it's pretty great

[ionic magnet]

hmm so basically if enemy has no sendai, you win 👀

[real notch]

imo, i think it's maybe not all sendai RNG

i mean, amagi barrage is 70% proc and misses sometimes even if it procs just cus positioning

so all things considered, sendai's guaranteed flare at 10 sec is actually kinda reliable

usually it's just amagi that fails to catch the ball and follow up

but all in all, i'd say sendai flare lands in a good spot 90% of the time

[shy hazel]

not bad

[real notch]

and lands with amagi 70% of the time

(assuming amagi actually procs)

so final verdict.... 70% * 70% = 49% reliability?

[steep fog]

just reset if amagi doesnt proc

[ionic magnet]

now pls test all variations of sendai/jint/aurora/jesus/belfast/sirius

[real notch]

well, i will do YKKZ

first i guess

[ionic magnet]

oh right ykkz too lol

[real notch]

idk i am personally pretty convinced this meme VG is the future

the sendai/jintsuu/aurora

[ionic magnet]

yea that looks like the scariest tbh

but well idk cos jesus never fails us

so have to test anyway

[real notch]

oh jk nvm

i have rainbow dildo on sendai that's why she keeps fukin dying LMAO

ok ignore what i said

[ionic magnet]

hmm

[zenith tundra]

lol

[ionic magnet]

sendai has like 2.5k hp right?

[real notch]

ye

[zenith tundra]

if that vg doesn't work im gonna ask for collateral damage on my ring for her

[ionic magnet]

isnt jintsuu a better tank then

[zenith tundra]

u dont want jintsuu dead

[real notch]

actually i've been researching some CN/JP recordings of that VG

[zenith tundra]

she should be last in that vg to die

[real notch]

jintsuu is actually tanking in most of those videos

[zenith tundra]

lol

[real notch]

i think the reason is because

[ionic magnet]

i mean she should survive til 2nd torps anyway cos shes tanky

[zenith tundra]

but isnt that nakaga meta?

[real notch]

nomatter what spot you put jintsuu in, with lv 120 nakaga meta there is no fukin way in hell she is gonna shoot 2nd torps

she's just a condom, you shoot and you throw away

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[zenith tundra]

amakaga is not nakaga tho

u might end up using them

[real notch]

i think amakaga is even riskier

because you might lose a VG before foxes even strike

and you definitely don't wanna lose aurora or sendai

[ionic magnet]

ah i can already see my aurora dying

[real notch]

but, i will need to do a bit more testing to see if sendai can survive 10 secs...

so far it's not looking good...

maybe if i take out the rainbow dildo

[zenith tundra]

if amagi just shoots ur vg down better change plan

[real notch]

well, aurora can die once enemy VG dies, sendai can die after flare, jintsuu can die after her opening torps lol

that's how i see it

[zenith tundra]

lol

[ionic magnet]

if all else fails remember we have jesus

[real notch]

am i too mean to my pvp ships

[ionic magnet]

nah its the truth lol

[zenith tundra]

and to think in 110 battles i want my jesus to die kinda of late

[real notch]

but ya i agree with zack, in a way you want jintsuu to die last

cus she provides fleetwide torp stat

[zenith tundra]

if ur vg doesnt die to akaga strike + amagi then jintsuu should be last

[real notch]

but with lvl 110s... RIP VGs man

[ionic magnet]

depends on how fast she dies against sendai

[real notch]

my expectations for jintsuu went from "see if you can survive the exercise" to "just shoot your opening torps like a condom"

[zenith tundra]

but in pure mirror u might just end up losing evething before akaga airstrike

i dont see any of those surviving against the same vg

[ionic magnet]

im worried about aurora tbh cos she dies fast already even w/o sendai

[real notch]

ya now aurora is the top priority for me now

so i slap her in middle and pray she survives

as long as enemy VG is alive, my aurora must be still holdin out somehow

[zenith tundra]

is ur sendai lvl 100 already?

[real notch]

naw, it's at 99

i took a forced break

[ionic magnet]

wait actually sendai is squishier

i just looked at wiki

[zenith tundra]

im at 93 oather

[real notch]

AKA can't let a certain someone see me playing shipfu games

[ionic magnet]

oh atleast sendai can die after flare yea

[zenith tundra]

i found a way to give sendai mvp in 7-2. just use 380 on bb and rip damage lol

[real notch]

dude did u not see my post in #gameplay-help 2 days ago

LOL

[zenith tundra]

dont read help like at all

[real notch]

this is how i've been farming 7-2 for the past day

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i thought about that

[real notch]

LOLLL

seriously

this is the only way, but it works like a charm

b.c infinite darkness op

[jovial sedge]

Dunno dont need those ufo aa

I use the other gold thing

[zenith tundra]

i had to switch her out for hyuuga because of morale so eneded up using 380 on hyuiga

plus i prefer xp on hyuuga for retro and maybe namagi