pvp

[zenith tundra]

well then pr ships are useless too cool

[vague token]

sheffield should easily beat the hp of like

suffolk

or whoever you want

[finite valve]

we are talking about EN

not JP dude

we use what we got

ofc when PR arrive we going to use diff ship / comp

[zenith tundra]

sacrifice ur beaver to make a ship viable

[finite valve]

so what are you going to use for VG in hms?

just the usual belfap jesus random?

[zenith tundra]

if its usual why change it

if u dont use hms just drop qe already

[finite valve]

which i already consider lel

look up

also you haven't given me any idea on how to counter back sendai and aurora since you was the one speaking it

[ionic magnet]

sendai+aurora counter? anything really, they will die by themselves

[finite valve]

so i can use glow worm to counter them?

[ionic magnet]

put jintsuu in there and you have 3 "glass cannons"

[finite valve]

still doesn't change the fact that he offer no solution to a problem he stated

[ionic magnet]

what problem? sorry lazy to backread

[zenith tundra]

what? i just answered to ether ping

[finite valve]

mostly on what VG to use in a hms fleet

i see nothing indicated that you have answer the question

i first said the use the usual VG for hms which are belfap jesus and fortune

you then said can fortune survive sendai aurora combo

i said how about use port kai

you said port kai useless

[ionic magnet]

should still be the standard belfast+jesus+jintsuu imo

[zenith tundra]

what are u smoking

[ionic magnet]

jintsuu is replaceable but idk if who you would want to replace her with

[finite valve]

this sentence right here

[zenith tundra]

i was pointing out how fortune would insta die against that as a dd with no hp

[finite valve]

so what are you going to sub her with just jintsuu?

[zenith tundra]

read the fucking question... why go sheffield over aurora

[finite valve]

cus i did not use her?

[ionic magnet]

this goes back to whether you really want to run hms

[finite valve]

it was etherst who was thinking of using her

[ionic magnet]

if yes, then using fortune/leander/aurora dont really matter imo

[finite valve]

in nowhere did i say i was using sheffield

[ionic magnet]

should get the same result

[zenith tundra]

again it was ether ping not u

i just answered his question

[buoyant parrot]

what the heck is going on here lol don't fight

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

this could go a lot smother if you just say you was talking to him and not me

but whatever just drop this

[buoyant parrot]

relaaaaaaaax people lets just go sanbagging someone

I just really hope I won't regret ever going back to HMS after they reach 110

my BP went down from 13.7 to 13.1 this is sad... HMS you better be worth it

[zenith tundra]

at least hms is viable in pve foxes are useless because of aa

[ionic magnet]

i can see wasd being good but hms

[zenith tundra]

if wasd is popular hms should be fine

[ionic magnet]

im not sure. bad damage and bad defense (AA)

[zenith tundra]

aa is the only thing hms sucks at for everything else it's better then wasd

[buoyant parrot]

yeah I've notice WASDA is becoming popular

[ionic magnet]

atleast wasd has good defense

[buoyant parrot]

I had to change to something not popular "AGAIN"

[zenith tundra]

wasd seems tanky on foxes but the damage is low

u can snipe amagi u know

hms aa is bad. outside of hood all other bbs doy/qe/monarch/ws have bad aa

[shy hazel]

fighting over min max is a normal thing

this is #pvp

[coral wren]

imagine maxing wasda and turns out amakaga can kill it without a sweat

[buoyant parrot]

not possible

[shy hazel]

assume everything in pvp def is to delay not to defeat

[buoyant parrot]

I've shown here live stream with my 5 attacks with my min max WASDA some people here saw how I decimate Amakaga Fleet without any issues

[shy hazel]

and ether

[zenith tundra]

wasda on offense isnt a problem

[shy hazel]

why would u care about mainstream in offense when no one can see what offense team u using

[buoyant parrot]

I'm afraid of what I'm currently on project with lol! xD hopefully this does not disappoint me

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

I have been winning left and rtight with wasda while carrying a 0lb Sendai at lvl 30 and seems still very smooth

[buoyant parrot]

I was doing live stream

yeah and that is Why I don't think WASDA will be having any issues sooner or later lol

[shy hazel]

speaking of pvp i wonder if its possible

to have someone here

who can makr a program that auto captures points from pvp

[zenith tundra]

well namagi should demolish wasd

[shy hazel]

heh

so we have a database if its possible to get bonus from someone

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm that sounds advantageous if you have something like that

[zenith tundra]

use ur brain and memorize all rushers

[shy hazel]

its gray area though because its indirectly hacking game assets

[coral wren]

write down their names

[zenith tundra]

or u can just become a neet and camp pvp every 5min

[ionic magnet]

program it in your brain

[zenith tundra]

what ship did u guys use for bosses in w11... i'm having a hard time keeping anything alive with only pvp ships awakened

[coral wren]

I only done 11-1 to 3 and i used hms QE Duke Uni with portland aurora sheff. all 100s

boss on auto is ok in 1 and 2

but 3 have that insane fast torps that can heavily dmg ur vanguard

so its quiite rng if ur vanguard is healthy or not.

[ionic magnet]

i saw a guy use lusty-qe-doy-belfast-ajax-leander in 11-4 auto

all 105-110 tho so it might be entirely cos of levels

[leaden jay]

Is Sendai any good in the EN PvP meta

[shy hazel]

you will have to wait for a few days to say

leveling up skills takes time

[hybrid tendon]

i manual bosses

so just the usual hood akaga is fine

🤔

I need to get the foxes to 105 too

for pvp

[leaden jay]

How much better is running a Aviation Oil Tank vs another gold Steam Catapult on Foxes for PvP?

[vague token]

i mean, it's what, like a 30 aviation difference?

which turns into 39 i guess?

[shy hazel]

he is probably asking about

dmg difference

like how touchdown becomes stronger

while initial aviation dmg gets lower

[vague token]

touchdown doesnt become stronger

you just get more hp at the end

so you preserve more damage

[shy hazel]

i cant give any specific percentage on how it is though

[vague token]

if you magically got planes to touchdown at 100 without tank

they'd do the same with tank at 100

[shy hazel]

technically its indirectly buffed

[vague token]

but i mean, most people have AA

[shy hazel]

when less planes go down

[vague token]

so you might as well use tank

[shy hazel]

cos of the extra hp

[vague token]

and it only REALLY boosts torp and dive at that point

[shy hazel]

its meant to deal more dmg on backline anyways

wow this razuberri

ytd was tryharding

and got rank 1

now hes in my list and not moving

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

i think nakaga could use double catapult

because you're multiplying things

and most people cant AA contest 2 carriers anyways

if they're running no juneau specifically

but that's pretty specific, and still weaker than nagato/amagi/x anyways

[leaden jay]

Other than Hellcat, what's the second best option for PvP?

[idle python]

if you have vf-17 (gold corsair) or the reppu those are better options

if not then seafang

[vague token]

do foxes run 1 vf 1 reppu?

xD

[idle python]

I personally would considering the main goal is to kill the frontline asap

[leaden jay]

Better than Hellcat?

[idle python]

iirc the cn pvp tier list recommends vf-17->hellcat->rest but the difference is very minor between the 2x500 lb fighters outside of vf-17

[leaden jay]

Oh okay

Thanks 😄

[real notch]

reeeee

[shy hazel]

Rank 9 with extra charge 👀

i still dont think i can compete season end top 10 though

[hybrid tendon]

complete season top 10

whats the point

[zenith tundra]

im at 7/10 how about u @shy hazel ?

[hybrid tendon]

go rush

[zenith tundra]

i wont rush past 5/10 unless it's last reset

[shy hazel]

1/10

sorry was busy

@zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

ur so behind now?

[shy hazel]

i think so

[zenith tundra]

well rip

[shy hazel]

in the first place i lost one round

so i just farmed aotn for now

ill probably be top 30 season end

maybe

[zenith tundra]

depends how many abusers are still lurking

[shy hazel]

well see soon

last season i was able to

get aotn

with 3 charges left

thats how boosted scores are

right now

i guess

[zenith tundra]

gonna try and see if i can get it with 5/10 like last time

[buoyant parrot]

wow HMS fleet really having issues with WASDA fleet

Its like 4 matches now that I had to refresh coz its becoming a wall

[coral wren]

good auxiliary gun for amagi?

[zenith tundra]

are u trying to snipe washy or amagi?

[buoyant parrot]

Amagi

either way I lost

[zenith tundra]

belgun or twin 127 @coral wren

[buoyant parrot]

to the point I lost 1 match coz of trying to gamble last shot

I lost 1 Match and 4 refresh

[zenith tundra]

i prefer 127 over belgun because of aa but some people choose belgun for extra fp

[buoyant parrot]

I think I'm going back to WASDA

[coral wren]

together with pompom aa right?

[zenith tundra]

bofors is better in pvp

[buoyant parrot]

I'm abandoning the project

[zenith tundra]

pretty much everything that's not a dd uses bofors and maybe u might want 1 113

well once monarch comes u'll be ready

[buoyant parrot]

the project was a failure

HMS Fleet lacks damage

regardless of min-maxed weapons and stats

[vague token]

try again when shells show up?

[buoyant parrot]

I don't think the shells will help since your opponent will definitely have the same shells

[zenith tundra]

well don't worry one day hms will rule (at least 1 boat will)

did u spent mental units yet?

[buoyant parrot]

I did

I don't mind anyway since I will be force to go HMS when Monrach or WS Kai comes

[zenith tundra]

monarch should be soon enough like 1 month or so

[vague token]

you think that soon?

owo

[zenith tundra]

in jp it wasn't long before research after core data and w11

[vague token]

oh ok

[buoyant parrot]

I was forced to rush now coz of that 1 lost gamble match lol

[zenith tundra]

at least u can use hms in pve... my akaga sucks in w11

[odd schooner]

@buoyant parrot lmao i still need to raise sodak

[zenith tundra]

is everyone really going for wasda?

[odd schooner]

I was wasdA to begin with

[hot creek]

went up against a leveled wasd, almost lost. would have 100% lost if their Junuea didn't implode ten seconds into the match

[zenith tundra]

i was akaga for forever before everyone started using them...

[modern tree]

Aww, you guys were arguing about HMS without me. Fortune would be good, but her buff is gone when she sinks and her sinking before you "won" probably means you lost. Atm the most consistent vgs will probably be Belfast Jintsuu Aurora, you remove vg, torp the back and win this way, or Juneau Belfast Sheff, you tank everything until there's nothing left to tank.

[buoyant parrot]

its not about my vanguards tanking

Sheff can tank a lot and I mean A LOT to the point that QE died first prior to her Dying

its their damage. Their damage is too weak against WASDA

[modern tree]

Uhh, works on my machine

[odd schooner]

Uhhh

The issue about 3 BB is that

[zenith tundra]

what rank are u now? @odd schooner

[odd schooner]

3k

[zenith tundra]

.. i wanted to try against that

[odd schooner]

If you place tanky front, one main fleet sinks

[zenith tundra]

look interesting

[buoyant parrot]

I'm going back to my original fleet

[modern tree]

QE sinking doesn't matter

[odd schooner]

It's not usually qe

This applies even to wasd

[buoyant parrot]

when you lose 1 BB against a 3 BB duel that's 100% lost regardless of whatever magic you do

[modern tree]

I have no idea how you'd manage to lose a backliner before sinking Amagi as HMS

[buoyant parrot]

currently I'm on 6 now

I'll sandbag my last 10

Hood is being out gunned by Amagi its hard to keep up and QE isn't dealing too much damage

[modern tree]

Hell, a lot of the time you can even afford shelling wash, even tho it's moderately suicidal

[zenith tundra]

are u at 6/10 ether?

[buoyant parrot]

No, Im rank 6 right now that's what I meant

[zenith tundra]

ah lol

[modern tree]

I am really unsure how Hood woud lose to Amagi with her barrage buff and QE buff. At any rate, I have not experienced that

[buoyant parrot]

well that's that after 1 lose and 4 refresh against WASDA Fleets

that concludes my min-maxing of HMS Hood, QE, Dork

[modern tree]

Alright

[buoyant parrot]

its not ready until Monrach or WS Kai comes in

[modern tree]

It's okay, I will just continue being a lone hipster then

[vague token]

lol

[buoyant parrot]

[vague token]

what the, i got +4

nani?

[zenith tundra]

who did u attack?

[vague token]

wasnt paying attention

xD

[zenith tundra]

did u at least looked at rank

[vague token]

no sorry =(

[hybrid tendon]

how to get +4

[vague token]

guy must have rushed since i got him like 12 hours ago xD

"rushed"

kek

[zenith tundra]

did u get aotn @vague token ?

[vague token]

no, i slept through all the dst stuff

so im like way behind

someday i wont sleep through matches or w/e happens

xD

[zenith tundra]

i hope this season is the one for me XD

[vague token]

i believe in you

[zenith tundra]

i don't

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

thought so last season too and i was wrong

[vague token]

weird, someone who did 2 vanguard awakens

but only amagi for back

and aurora insta died to guns lol

[zenith tundra]

no xp on backlines seems the best "reason" for it

[vague token]

ah

i +5'd my pvp backline, although hiryuu didnt have enough to hit 104

cause hiryuu in pve lol

she's back in the dorm

but dem hiryuu sweeps are quite beautiful

[zenith tundra]

just how.... 11-4 boss manual btw

[vague token]

nani

is 11-4 boss a destroyer?

[zenith tundra]

cl

sendai

[vague token]

weird

maybe you blew up a lot of trash mobs and suicide boats with her

[zenith tundra]

well i use my bb on bosses only still weird how she ended up mvp

and my qe dmg is trash always

[vague token]

xD

ok just blasted through 10 matches, i can sleep whenever now

oh wow, just got a gold belgun from crate

[zenith tundra]

nice

[vague token]

=D

too bad i used all my main gun plates on the gold CA gun already

[zenith tundra]

3rd +11 of this reset lol

[vague token]

nice

at least i can still get the 381 by the end of the month

[zenith tundra]

i hope they put new aux for cvs or 818 in core next month

[vague token]

which aux for cvs go in there?

like the jet fuel?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Homing_Beacon
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/100/150_Jet_Fuel

the jet fuel is insta buy for me

[vague token]

oh neat

i dont think i can use homing beacon in pvp

but would be neat for pve i guess

[shy hazel]

im awakening wtv ships im lazy at grinding in pve

so they can gain exp from pvp

my akagi lvl 104 now

lol

[vague token]

seems legit

[zenith tundra]

good choice

[shy hazel]

amagi 109

[vague token]

the struggle of leveling pvp carriers

[shy hazel]

i guess ima awaken aurora too

cos shes shit in pve anyways

[vague token]

laughs in zacks mvp boss aurora

[zenith tundra]

i need 2 more clears of 11-4 daily raid for cognition and like 40k exp and done with amakaga 110

[vague token]

nice

[zenith tundra]

stupid 11-4 with 45 escort fleets

[shy hazel]

i dont do

any 3 star clear of world 11 yet

[lament lichen]

i havent starte 11-4 yet

still need sendai

[vague token]

im still on 11-2 xD

[lament lichen]

but i 3 starred the others

[zenith tundra]

i usually do the full clear when i clear them so i don't have to bother later on

[shy hazel]

im gon do it once i farmed all ships in w11

100 vs 110 has diff but 105 vs 110 doesnt have that big disadvantage

[zenith tundra]

11-3........................................................ i want sendai but that boss is cancer

[shy hazel]

i heard

sendai drops in normal nodes

[vague token]

wiki shows a normal check

so she should drop all nodes

[zenith tundra]

still 5 extra levels. enough to make stuff eat dust only by level differences

[shy hazel]

ima take my time

[zenith tundra]

i haven't really seen many ship drops from mobs

[shy hazel]

dont have exp for foxes anyways

[zenith tundra]

the ship drop are way rarer then other maps for sure

[vague token]

i wonder if i could boost my main fleet power to 13k if i leveled hiryuu's yellow skill

it's still level 1

xD

[zenith tundra]

it would only work with souryuu

[split socket]

skills doesn't affect fleet power afaik 🤔

[vague token]

oh, i thought it did

[shy hazel]

so in theory

foxes together has way more fp

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

even if it doesnt appear on screen

its like who again

the only cv of ijn that is good alone

was it tai ho

[zenith tundra]

taihou

[vague token]

taihou is true armored carrier

aka has damage reduction vs stuff

and a decent offensive skill

[zenith tundra]

taihou is a tank with rng damage

[shy hazel]

the future of namaga before ws kai

[split socket]

kinda short-lived owo

[zenith tundra]

looking forward to her actually. to bad she's gonna be in august with 1st anniversary event

not that sort in en

[shy hazel]

yea i think she's coming pretty late already

in en

i can realistically see us

getting

[split socket]

well yea, we'll have a longer period of namagi most likely

[shy hazel]

ws kai

before she comes

lol

[split socket]

but for jp they had amagi for like a few weeks (?) and then came ws kai lul

[zenith tundra]

ws kai should be 2020 tbh unless we rush retros

[vague token]

we just got foxhound announced, they'll probably take their time

[zenith tundra]

still nowhere close since no sandy kai yet

[vague token]

unless there's an Actually New retro

[shy hazel]

i mean we're actually rushing it

[zenith tundra]

it's not new @vague token

[shy hazel]

i remember i started this game

foxhound refit is announced

in jp

[zenith tundra]

we just stopped rushing with wc tho

[shy hazel]

now we get foxhound

👀

[zenith tundra]

we got z23 and laffey kai with javelin

wich didn't happen in jp

[shy hazel]

the devs do like

[zenith tundra]

also aya kai was before them

[shy hazel]

major event -> 1 week break -> mini event -> 1 week break

for 2 times in a row now

just maybe

we'll get sandy mini event soon

[zenith tundra]

we got mutsuki retro 14 days after announcement

[modern tree]

ther's only like 18 retros left that we dont have, and a bunch is UR and ships that are event only

we are going through them really fast now

[shy hazel]

yea lol and im running out of prints

i actually ran out of dd purple prints

so much gold so less purple

[vague token]

oh i just meant if they made a new retro, they'd probably release on all servers

[zenith tundra]

i run of those too a while ago... now 7-1 i might just don't do dd retros anymore

[shy hazel]

after sendai im done with all cls for now

but my bps are also done for

lol

[vague token]

if it wasnt something crazy like ultra rare

[modern tree]

They made Sims, they didnt release it for EN

[vague token]

wait i thought they announced sims

[shy hazel]

u have a feeling we'll get

[vague token]

did she release?

[shy hazel]

york refit next

gold eaters

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

just farm 7-2

[shy hazel]

oops

i mean gold t3 bp

xD

[zenith tundra]

but u don't use those that much

at least for cvs

[shy hazel]

i actually just refitted all ships

lol

so im gonna run out soon

got 20 gold cls

but then theres york then exeter

then sandy

👀

[zenith tundra]

mogami

[shy hazel]

thats why i bought out shop

last event

[zenith tundra]

still easier to get them there then 3hm x day

[shy hazel]

well at least for now i only want purps

gold can be a problem later

[zenith tundra]

don't u have t1s to turn into t2s?

[modern tree]

if you refit all the ships, it gets rather hard to do that

[zenith tundra]

i have almost 400 t1 cls

it's not like i'm gonna use them all

[modern tree]

okay, but I have all the retrofits

and I need like 3 or something more purple for Foxhound

[zenith tundra]

i'm missing still 11 retros but mostly because of level

[shy hazel]

i ran out simply

lol

i wasnt the best grinder in the past

[zenith tundra]

farm more lol

[shy hazel]

when u needed to do 5 nodes for hard

everyday

[zenith tundra]

i didn't touch hm till octomber

[shy hazel]

well ill catch up to it soon

so far i never missed any ship

100% soon

[zenith tundra]

and only started because of aya

[shy hazel]

big events provide shittons of bps anyways

[shy hazel]

i tried

japanese torp plane bomber

its just so bad

even at +10

lol

[zenith tundra]

which one

?

[shy hazel]

vdir

[zenith tundra]

ryuusei?

[shy hazel]

aichi

aichi b7a ryuusei

ye

lol

[zenith tundra]

so bad unless u face bbs

or just want to snipe stuff

[shy hazel]

yea it likes focuses on

just one ship

[hybrid tendon]

you need 200 iq to use ryuusei

[shy hazel]

but the dmg is lol

[hybrid tendon]

its CONVERGING TORPS

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

i used 2x of it

on akaga

[shy hazel]

you dont need iq to use ryuusei

you need a different meta

[hybrid tendon]

or just luck

[shy hazel]

that opponents use bbs again

[zenith tundra]

which is amazing in pvp because backlines don't move

[hybrid tendon]

just be lucky

LUL

yea

in a backline vs backline fight

[shy hazel]

its useless rn

[hybrid tendon]

2x ryuusei is SPECTACULAR

[zenith tundra]

if the meta changes to wasd i'll gladly switch my cuda for ryuusei

[split socket]

u got 2x ryuuseis?

[shy hazel]

well see soon

[zenith tundra]

for now launch speed is too important in mirror

[shy hazel]

only one

cos only one vdir

[split socket]

that plane rare af, I tried to farm for it during vdir

[shy hazel]

at least i never got from japan boxes

[split socket]

I got 2 ryuusei bp and 13 comet bp

[shy hazel]

got some copies too

[split socket]

🤦

[shy hazel]

never bothered to farm really

[zenith tundra]

i only got the one from store iirc

no extra bps

[shy hazel]

just gonna shelf it for now

[zenith tundra]

i used it in wasd meta

with hakaga and lucky rng bye bye enty

[hybrid tendon]

the thing with 2x ryuusei is that sometime you cant kill frontline

to use it on backline

[split socket]

i used it before I got 2x barracuda, was pretty fun seeing it completely miss vg and then get lucky and hit backline instead xD

[hybrid tendon]

but with amagi now

killing frontline is easy

so

SO

in a mirror backline fight

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-nuke-boom-nuclear-gif-5791468

2x ryuusei

[split socket]

one problem that I noticed with ryuusei is that sometimes all ur torps get wasted even when fighting backline

[hybrid tendon]

no

it can only miss frontline

[zenith tundra]

i think u can still sacrifice kaga launch speed for it but always gonna keep akagi fastest possible

[split socket]

e.g. ur plane drops bomb and torp all at same time against enemy flagship

[hybrid tendon]

it NEVER miss backlines

[split socket]

it does miss

[hybrid tendon]

the torp

[split socket]

if they die after torp already launched

I used it for quite a while, I know :p

[hybrid tendon]

well

that

the cost of ultimate power

[split socket]

[shy hazel]

thats like selling a cult

[ionic magnet]

rip ethers project

that was fast

[hot creek]

funny how wasdA fleet was the one that crushed his hopes and dreams of running HMS

it was the same for me, and Daxam's wasdA nonetheless. https://puu.sh/D0K83/1ad7aab216.png

testing my HMS against this back then was the final straw

[modern tree]

I am just monopolizing the royal navy

[hot creek]

well, there's one other guy on the server who seems hardcore HMS. maybe I can find him

[modern tree]

I was trying to force the wasd amagi meme for so long and nobody except Gurren fell for it

[split socket]

arseid?

[modern tree]

its Arseid or Lexie

I forget which

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/D0Kcc/9e763efd3e.png indeed

[split socket]

lmao just noticed the naming

[vague token]

best part of ryuusei is dodging the damage with final counter

;)

[modern tree]

his equipment seems really strange

[hot creek]

has anyone ever tried x12 air radars.

[modern tree]

probably not because it makes you lose every other matchup

[hot creek]

there is no other matchup. only amakaga now

[ionic magnet]

thats like 2000 gen plates

no thanks

[modern tree]

and thats a lot of aux plates dumped into purple items that will be replaced by gold ones

[ionic magnet]

how mucb AA does a +10 radar give anyway

[vague token]

70

[ionic magnet]

wasd has how much AA

350?

[modern tree]

wasd has 389

at 200 affection

[ionic magnet]

hmm might be good actually

[modern tree]

might as well use gold 410 if you want AA boost

[ionic magnet]

but whos crazy enough to test

[modern tree]

I have tested one of AA radar on QE before, it was fine

[hot creek]

if you wanted to tech purely against amakaga and only amakaga. would all those air radars be the most optimal equipment?

[modern tree]

but I like dodge more since she mostly dies to amagi barrage landing clean in her face, not planes

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/D0Kkg/c2be6b0fd4.png ive got some plates to spare

but no i'm not that crazy

[modern tree]

I think that diminishing returns would slap you if you ran more than one, but I'd need to do math to confirm it

[winged idol]

Hi, who is the most efficient to use between Sirius and Aurora with Ayaya and Jintsuu when your backline is Hood+Akaga ?

[ionic magnet]

aurora

[winged idol]

Okay thanks

[modern tree]

Aurora affects your torps and Sirius doesnt, so with this frontline it's rather clear cut

[ionic magnet]

i dont like aya on offense personally and id suggest just use jint aurora juneau

but shes fine regardless

[real notch]

damn

not a bad PVP team for a level 89

[zenith tundra]

finally finished it

13438 fleet power with bis equip

[ionic magnet]

[hot creek]

👌 nice

where'd you train your foxes

[zenith tundra]

9-3 for mobs

8-4 before that

both of them screen clear almost everything

[real notch]

Dafuq

My exp is stored but i dont have the mental chips LOLOL

Damn son

Im at a deadly deficiency of oil lately

[zenith tundra]

i need to farm sendai now...

rip oil

[hot creek]

you train foxes together or 1:1?

I wonder which is more efficient

[modern tree]

where is the req that does big oil commisions back to back because too much oil and no time to play

[leaden sequoia]

1:1 is oil efficient, 2:1 is time-efficient

that flagship 1.5x exp bonus is huge

[zenith tundra]

1:1/2 is more oil friendly but i used a 3:2 with langley cassin and downes

[leaden sequoia]

and coupled with MVP 2x too

[hot creek]

Langley, PogChamp

[zenith tundra]

2 oil cost for 15% xp

[leaden sequoia]

would you ever bring Houshou with Langley just to level CVs?

[zenith tundra]

i would it can stack nicely with mvp flagship and morale boost

just make sure both are lb0

[hot creek]

dont they get rekt in higher worlds tho

like if one jihad ship comes by GG

[zenith tundra]

i used a lvl 1 langley in w9 and she barely died once lol

with both foxes

w9 has really not that many bombs ships tbh

[modern tree]

hosho has a GUN

[leaden sequoia]

Langley's gonna be 3 oil at level 34, dunno if that will impact that much since foxes cost 13

[hot creek]

Langley 0LB has gun too

I LB mine and she lost it

regrets

[ionic magnet]

all things considered id just run both foxes to level them

[hot creek]

its okay though, need to do that for collection stars anyways

[zenith tundra]

i went and farmed a new one because i lb mine lol

[modern tree]

I have 0lb lvl 70 langley and hosho just in case I need to level a cv

guns on cvs

[hot creek]

oh yeah, Lang has a retrofit. need that if you want collection % as well

[real notch]

I farmed amagi, foxes, jintsuu, aurora to 915k exp

In a big fat 3:2 oil guzzling fleet

[modern tree]

at least it was fast

[real notch]

Now im dirt ass poor and can barely do dailies

Yea it was fast cus i was stacking exp while clearing W11 and farming sendai

[hot creek]

hmm what if I just train my foxes purely through pvp

[real notch]

hmm I'm not sure you can stack exp in exercises

[modern tree]

you cant stack it, but if you awaken them they get it just fine

[hot creek]

yeah ill just awaken them early, dorms can be used again too

[modern tree]

its gon be real slow tho

[hot creek]

lately been lazy after three starring w11 and w7h on day one. Maybe ill just use oil guzzle fleet to farm sendai.

[modern tree]

w11 is dissapointingly easy

I am catching up on 3 stars cuz jobs suck, but farming sendai can probably be cheaper than jintsuu

[hot creek]

rate my HMS fleet https://puu.sh/D0LUI/5778b1b034.png

[modern tree]

I am sure you can rng wins with it/10

bit concerned with lack of Aurora, but you dont really have a spot for her so

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CZHZc/05ead0d02d.png

auto button just put my lvl 100 unicorn into a commision. what le fuck.

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

ganbaru

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/D0M7M/ef3c3bed9e.png Vicky after first fox strike

https://puu.sh/D0Maj/cb839bb4f2.png

well, at least fortune did her job....kinda.

[modern tree]

Fortune is alive too,

[hot creek]

Sirius can siriusly (milk) tank

[ionic magnet]

i was predicting fortune, ark and vicky will all die in first airstrike

so its not that bad

[hot creek]

nah I wouldve totally won that fight. Fortune and Belfast were just about to facetorp akagi and amagi and then shoot kaga to death #believe . of course, I didn't want to take the win because it would've give me a +9.

[ionic magnet]

yes of course

[shy hazel]

took a look at top 100

darkova at 98 now

i wonder if this person got aotn

[lament lichen]

[vale juniper]

Am I became a Communist because everyship should be same..?? :"3

[shy hazel]

no

you become casual

[vale juniper]

Yokatta~

BTW why casual..?? :"3

[shy hazel]

alot of people here 110 amagi first

because shes the opiest in pvp pve

[vale juniper]

Oohh..

I think I have some OCD.. Ahaha 😂

[odd schooner]

Done uncapping my mainfleet for defense

Gonna return next season

[zenith tundra]

11-4 should be easier then 11-3 at least the boss is not cancer

i'm 2pts away from 2.6k but not even sure i get top 10

[lament lichen]

its probably really close

[zenith tundra]

scores are also inflated by the extra bonuses from those who got extra attempts

[lament lichen]

i can get 2607 if i just get +10s

from now

and there still might be people who sandbag with the extra attempts

[livid fractal]

@zenith tundra 2298 5/10?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[livid fractal]

I saw kamita, he's at 2310

[zenith tundra]

i know he's so ahead

just hopping not many hard sandbagged like kamita and famine

[livid fractal]

Famine is 2297 while Sorelia is at 2306

Meanwhile I need 15 points for 2600

[zenith tundra]

how many attempts did u lose?

[livid fractal]

Probably gonna grab aotn sooner.

Nothing, more like my lobby stopped moving

Like even those who always go for the top stop doing their attempts

Since they got what they wanted

[zenith tundra]

famine is at 2307

gues he had 1 more attempt

[livid fractal]

I see, it was a couple of minutes left for the reset when I checked.

[lament lichen]

Im getting closer

At famines score now

[zenith tundra]

bluerendar fleet is actually scary even with amakaga at 110. back to mirror hell

[arctic imp]

13k power?;?

[zenith tundra]

new bis max amakaga is 13.4k

managed a +3 so far

[lament lichen]

[livid fractal]

@zenith tundra yeah it was scary

Now I regret making everyone 105, should have focused 110 my backline instead

[zenith tundra]

i fought him twice and both times 1 fox left alive

[livid fractal]

His juneau was pretty annoying and for me to win against him was to snipe his kaga with amagi and the rest is rng

[zenith tundra]

i'm not sure but i think he's using faster planes too or at least that was my impression

[livid fractal]

@elder crane what planes were you using?

[sour oasis]

Wow. I'm knocking on rank 1000 with just level 101's and have almost none of those ships. (Hugs Eldridge tighter)

Is the meta going to prevent me from seeing top 500?

[elder crane]

Typical plane load out actually

F4U on Akagi, Reppu Kaga, then SB2C and Barras

The event fighters I use are a bit faster, and I guess higher rld from lv 110?

[modern tree]

Nobody can really stop you from reaching higher ranks, you can reroll opponents or just reset till you win

you dont need to gensui rush on sandy, just sandbag lel

[livid fractal]

@elder crane yeah it is.. Anyway thanks

also if you fought a guy name Hobar, he also has very fast planes, still wondering what he uses..

[modern tree]

if its not more power than helldivers then it may be Junkers, its a bit faster, but deals comparable damage I found

[lament lichen]

Hobar is using reppu

[livid fractal]

I see

[elder crane]

BTD is a bit faster, and Comet is the fastest sorta-usable option

I remember lv 110 Nakaga on JP has some people experimenting with Comet for the mirror, since the timings mean your 2nd strike lands earlier enough to possibly make a difference and the setup tended to overkill anyways

Compared to SB2C, Ju loses plane HP, suicide damage, and bomb damage, vs BTD having higher HP and suicide damage and 20 more aviation but losing even more on bomb damage, for the slightly faster launch

Comet loses out on a lot of everything except for the aviation

[vague token]

the JU loses suicide?

i thought it had comparable

it comes with 5 planes vs 3

[zenith tundra]

ju has less suicide damage then sb2c also there is a nice chart for dive and torpedo bombers pinned

[vague token]

uh, 210 times 5 is less than 249 times 3?

gonna go nani

[zenith tundra]

number of planes is based on cv loadout

[vague token]

then why do they bother with the 5x/3x/etc

i thought that was boosted by plane mount

[sour oasis]

@modern tree reloading until Eldo lives and turns on invincibility is what got me this far. But refreshing doesn't change my options as much since 90% of matchup are same fleet (sometimes same people)

[vague token]

eg you get the base, plus whatever your limit break is

[zenith tundra]

u get extra planes from lb but that applies to all planes for that category in the same amount
for example kaga gets dive bombers +1 so it means she only launches 2 dive bombers being it sb2c or junkers

[vague token]

dear god i thought it was like

3+1

or 5+1

so what is even the point of the multiplier on the plane stat

[ivory vine]

the listed damage for fighters/dive bombers is literally useless

[zenith tundra]

i don't think it's even used in anything tbh

[ivory vine]

for whatever reason it works with torp bombers

[vague token]

yostar nani the hell man

[ivory vine]

i get why it doesnt work w/ db

but fighters just have 2 of the same bomb

[vague token]

like dear god why is that even a stat then

might as well just put the base suicide damage with no x

i want my 5 stuka =/

[zenith tundra]

maybe is some kind of average damage or something for bombs

[vague token]

i guess, cause it does add up to 5 bombs from a single 1k and 4 100lb bombs

im still triggered

[zenith tundra]

btd has x2

[vague token]

cause it's still mostly useless since the bombs do wildly different damages

[zenith tundra]

with only 2 bombs

[vague token]

where's muh ui rework xD

[zenith tundra]

actual plane hp and suicide dmg are more useful then useless stats

[vague token]

i would put the suicide damage in that spot

and then list bomb damage on the bomb spots

and then plane hp and plane speed somewhere in there

reee

make a new row on the ui

ezpz

[zenith tundra]

ui don't really get that specific but could put something more useful either way

[vague token]

SHOW EVERYTHING

[sour oasis]

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

alright

turns out

with level 110 amagi, triple 406mm and HFCR

she will still fire before sendai flare

:(

it appears it is not possible to time these 2

[vague token]

quad time

jk

[real notch]

quad time

no i was seriously thinking that

[vague token]

oh no

[real notch]

am i going crazy

[vague token]

what has science done

[modern tree]

if you can fire twice per game then nothing changes, right?

[real notch]

well i'll just test it for memes sake

which quad should i use

quad 356?

[modern tree]

we dont have jb quad

[real notch]

[modern tree]

you'd probably prefer jb quad tho

[real notch]

reeee

i really wanna time flare with amagi barrage

sendai flare begins at 11 seconds

amagi barrage lands at like 10.5

it's so close

[vague token]

oof

[real notch]

i need to ask some other theorycrafters

doubleminto and aristya

@foggy token hey aristya

what do u think about using quad or removing HFCR to time amagi barrage with sendai flare in EN

poggers nvm i matched it

[zenith tundra]

sendai got took less then expected

[vague token]

helps that she isnt boss only

[zenith tundra]

got her from boss tho

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

now i need something to farm with her and also gain xp on aurora and jesus

[lament lichen]

Noftr got a +8

[vague token]

oof

[hot creek]

i imagine you'll start getting walled using underleveled fleets on a server like avora

[real notch]

alright guys

i've broken this down, very clearly thanks to dunk

according to this calculation

regarding amagi's barrange and sendai's flare timing

i did some testing of my own, comparing the current BiS setup amagi (twin 381mm, HFCR) to a setup instead that accurately times with sendai flare...

which concluded to be twin 410mm + SG instead of twin 381mm + HFCR

with this new setup, amagi barrage will time with sendai flare

and the above calc is an indepth analysis of amagi barrage breakdown, acc considerations, fire dmg, primary gun dmg

taking into consideration the -50FP you take by swapping out twin 381mm and HFCR

[vague token]

owo

[ionic magnet]

id still use 381 over 410 esp for mirrors

[real notch]

BUT with sendai flare, you will still do ON AVERAGE considering all armor types, 30% MORE dmg

with the barrage

[ionic magnet]

it should still time with sendai flare

[real notch]

and on average, (3500) more dmg with primary gun

[zenith tundra]

was actually waiting for this

[real notch]

@ionic magnet what will time with sendai flare, twin 381mm and HFCR?

[zenith tundra]

is he done btw?

[ionic magnet]

no im thinking of 381 and sg radar/beaver

[real notch]

no, it won't

[ionic magnet]

i see

[real notch]

unless if your amagi is not optimized

you are referring to this setup right?

[ionic magnet]

yep

[real notch]

it will not time with sendai flare

[zenith tundra]

381 cannot hit flare with ijn buff

[real notch]

amagi barrage will fire early by 1 second unless if you are not making use of her IJN buff

[ionic magnet]

what time does she fire with that setup

[real notch]

i can test for you right now

[zenith tundra]

410 is 9.9 sec with ijn buff so i would say fine

[ionic magnet]

oh 1 sec early

410 is the way then

[zenith tundra]

406 with ijn and hsfcr is 10.11

[real notch]

it's roughly 10.5 seconds

when the barrage lands

the problem is sendai flare procs at start of 11 seconds

[lament lichen]

Noftr should be done now

[zenith tundra]

thank you

[lament lichen]

I wonder if donald trump is done

[foggy token]

[real notch]

this is pretty solid

[foggy token]

i got pinned

[ionic magnet]

wait so 410 works or not?

[real notch]

twin 410mm no HFCR amagi new meta

i was convinced before but now i am sure with this data

it's a very clear 30% more dmg with this setup

[foggy token]

what were you using before

[real notch]

twin 381mm and HFCR

[zenith tundra]

would sg be worth over beaver for extra hit?

[foggy token]

if you want more dmg 410 gives more

cn wiki did the math on monarch

[real notch]

yeah 410mm has more primary gun dmg

[foggy token]

that 410mm in pvp gives more dps than 381mm

[real notch]

but the main purpose of using twin 410mm is to time with sendai flare

[foggy token]

so should apply with amagi

[real notch]

the increased primary gun dmg is watever

because it's not consistent enough to have faith that it will land on VG

[ionic magnet]

im leaning towards sg over beaver now tbh

[real notch]

beaver on amagi or not is another topic though

and i will still use beaver because there's no one else beaver fits on

[zenith tundra]

amagi hit is pretty bad

[real notch]

and i need the bonus movement speed

[ionic magnet]

yea and its not like people uses BBs to warrant extra eva

[real notch]

also having 84 EVA on a flagship amagi is quite nice

[zenith tundra]

ur using aurora sendai jintsuu?

[real notch]

ye

[zenith tundra]

i like beaver on jintsuu but whatever

[real notch]

yeah i might fiddle with my VG to see if beaver can fit onto aurora or sendai

but i mean

they all have grossly low HP pools like

2.5k across the board

i'd feel meh about dropping a bulge or a toolkit for a badge

or u know what, maybe i'll do that

i'll swap off a top slot VG's bulge for badge

and slap 2x SG on amagi

[ionic magnet]

ive put badge on jesus

[zenith tundra]

Amagi luck23 acc 55 acc120 68

[ionic magnet]

i hope this wont make her immortal

[zenith tundra]

bad luck and bad hit

[ionic magnet]

isnt 23 luck really low

[zenith tundra]

it is considering that nanoda has 98

[ionic magnet]

no charges to test fml

[zenith tundra]

what level is ur sendai @real notch

[real notch]

uhhh

64

[zenith tundra]

still a way to go to 110

[real notch]

yep

i won't bring her to 110 though

not for a while

she's just a flarebot

[ionic magnet]

treat your flarebot better

[zenith tundra]

hmm

it's pretty close

410 without hsfcr

[real notch]

yep

it will time perfectly

[lament lichen]

wait donald trump made his jintsuu 110

lul

[vague token]

o.o

the torps are gonna build a wall

[lament lichen]

he has amagi and jintsuu at 110

[vague token]

ah

all in on the vanguard sweep

xD

[zenith tundra]

i'm 8pts behind famine and 10 behind kamita

getting closer

[lament lichen]

only getting 2-3 bonus rounds

[zenith tundra]

i might rush 5/10 aotn this reset let's see

if i can ofc

[elder crane]

Grr all I want is a temporary rank 1 as I rush my 100 merit fights
3rd time getting a tied rank 2....

[zenith tundra]

thx rng

[lament lichen]

i just save resets for those now

[zenith tundra]

just gotta sandbag now. i mostly use refreshers for bonuses these days

[lament lichen]

Gonna miss times like this. Almost done with my rounds at this time of day

[zenith tundra]

i will not miss them. rather sandbag then being fucked end season by people who got extra rounds

[coral wren]

I am meeting this dude using Hiryuu Amagi Enty on def

its freakishly strong

[vague token]

owo

[coral wren]

or maybe Wasda is just not good at dealign with enty and hiryuu

its the only setup that I cant kill while carrying sendai. I actually have to swap on my aurora to kill his vanguard faster

[shy hazel]

because you dont remove aurora

it will be aurora sendai jintsu

[clear cloud]

isn't sendai only good for akaga?
the chance after 1st flare is just too low

[vague token]

sendai is good for anyone who alphas after 11 and before 20 xD

[shy hazel]

you can read the discussion above

according to them adding sendai to the mix and changing gears on amagi

will allow 30% more dmg

apparently

[coral wren]

yea but my sendai is lvl 50

I am just carrying it in my jesus jintsu fleet to lvl it. it has no problem against any other fleet execept for this one

[shy hazel]

oh

yea you need akaga

because shell most likely die after first strike

[coral wren]

I see

[shy hazel]

amakaga specifically

[coral wren]

no no

I mean she is not even retrofited

she is just there for exp

[shy hazel]

means shes still useless

[coral wren]

i see

[shy hazel]

useless without all skills

pls

[coral wren]

xD

[vague token]

hmm

what if i used astoria with minne in pvp

that could be fun

her buff seems to be permanent, and she can be a meat shield with 20% CL/DD reduction

she'll probably die on the air strike but w/e, she buffed minne

hmmm

https://gyazo.com/4143646266d291d94a4c1fc70abcd17e
this guy though

[zenith tundra]

someone went for aotn in my list. thx for the bonus

[hot creek]

using my pvp fleet to auto farm sendai. down 4k oil in just a couple hours lel

[zenith tundra]

i don't even know how i'll farm my vg exp with only 2k oil

need pretty much 500-600k on everyone

[hot creek]

once you awaken, dorm and pvp xp adds up quick

[zenith tundra]

i guess i'll just do that

[buoyant parrot]

wut you doin in my Guild Zack xD

[zenith tundra]

i was looking for a guild for some days now

i just saw ur message and said why not

[buoyant parrot]

I'm always recruiting

now you'll be able to see our plan for dominating the PvP (Our spams of Hammann)

[zenith tundra]

it's 8am for me so not very active at this hours

[buoyant parrot]

now drink the blood of a virgin shipfu so you could start your day then

[zenith tundra]

i've been awake since 8pm lol

[buoyant parrot]

X___x

[zenith tundra]

the life when u work night shift for a week

[buoyant parrot]

advantage for you in PvP

you get to camp all the time

[zenith tundra]

yeah i can sleep in the long reset

[vague token]

my poor pocket guild with 2 active players left

ree

[buoyant parrot]

join us then

we are 37

[vague token]

can i leave my own guild or do i have to disband it xD

[buoyant parrot]

I think you need to pass Guild Leader first then leave

or disband it

[vague token]

maybe i can give admiral