pvp

[finite valve]

?

eh i didn't oath either of them

[leaden sequoia]

tfw you maxed jesus just because you had only blue T3 books

[finite valve]

well in my def nadoka is a better fortune anyway

also in 2 days jesus going to be max on skill

so there is that zzz

[modern tree]

Jesus is so cheap to awaken, wtf

[ivory vine]

she's blue rarity

[leaden sequoia]

Could be because awakening for every ship shares the same resource so Amagi is of higher priority 🤔

Oh you mean why she is cheap

[finite valve]

@leaden sequoia @modern tree

[modern tree]

I am glad my HMS flagship is purple then

[finite valve]

tfw when you don't research shit before hand

LMFAO

[leaden sequoia]

yeah I know the costs but misread Daxam's phrase

[modern tree]

I did enough research to figure out what I am doing until 14th, I have time to figure out the rest later

[finite valve]

[leaden sequoia]

reasonable strategy, can't argue with that if you can figure out what are your priority ships right on the spot

[modern tree]

so purely mathematically, to diminish the advantage of people that are gonna rush 110, it is probably most efficent to put your fleet at 105 first, then just break the key ships in sequence until all of them are at 110, maybe, maybe I should not do things like that this late

[finite valve]

well tbh it only migrate half of off bonus

so you can still technically win on off

just longer

tbh i am just going to wing it

no point in rushing for pvp only

[modern tree]

its probably also the best strat for w11 considering 11-3 is like 105?

[leaden sequoia]

you can either start rushing 105 from the cheapest ships to have any level advantage asap (this favors e.g. Juneau) or from the most important meta-wise ones (Amagi, Dork, Jintsuu) to get the most influential ones have level advantage asap

[finite valve]

i think it is around 107 for boss and 105 for mob

not sure

[modern tree]

considering 11-3 is both bofors and Sendai, that's probably the place you wanna gun for, so getting the pve slammers to 105 asap would save you a lot of trouble which is why I am rising HMS, efficency

[finite valve]

does w11 got gimich like w10 or 9-4?

[modern tree]

too bad 11-3 layout looks worse than 9-3

[finite valve]

if w11 is just a straight forward punch to the boss then the grind might not be that bad

[modern tree]

also, 3 stars in w11 is mental units, neat

[leaden sequoia]

not really, in 11-3 you can clear/block 4 chokepoints to clear the path to all 3 boss spawn locations

[finite valve]

free 3k+ gold each day from mental raid

was talking about boss gimich

ferrish wheel in 9-4

10-2 for BB sniper

[modern tree]

I think 11-3 is double boss and I am not sure if there is a gimmick beyond it

[finite valve]

10-1 for fire train etc...

[leaden sequoia]

Uzuki and Agano, so both light armor

time to bring HE

[finite valve]

agano design was made to be a ||mating press|| but shit gameplay wise lel

thinking of farming for her then move forward

[odd schooner]

I'm sorry folks

I missed 4

[leaden sequoia]

so they move like this

where Uzuki and Agano are on the opposite sides at all times

[modern tree]

ha ha, another boss to shell on manual

[finite valve]

all i get from that diagram is that i can summon a demon with it

well 2 more days till we all get our ass kick with under lvl shit in w11

going to be fun

NOT

[leaden sequoia]

challenging enemies are fun the first time

it's farming them that is not fun

[modern tree]

just bring down the danger level, loooool

[finite valve]

dk what is more salty getting 1 ship to 110 first or getting a ship drop in 1 run?

much salt in 2 days yes it will

[leaden sequoia]

either way we're gonna need a lot of beverages

to counter all the salt

[finite valve]

[leaden sequoia]

[zenith tundra]

normal sandbagging so far gives me nothing. only got a +1 from a top 100 player that i had in my list from previous rush. guess all the rushers are top now

[strange shuttle]

It’s confirmed 34 = 10 pts right? Lul

[hot creek]

ye

[charred sable]

35 I thought

[lament lichen]

At least 35 for the extra point

[strange shuttle]

sucks lol

even if they had 1 more point they still would had 4th

[lament lichen]

Im waiting for him to push the next cycle

[strange shuttle]

you are matched on that guy too?

[lament lichen]

Yeah

Got matched with him 3 times this cycle

[lime rivet]

Perfect pvp defense fleets don't exi-

[ivory vine]

hyuuga not oathed?

[hot creek]

I don't get it, is there a theme or something going on here or is it just random underleveled ships.

[ionic magnet]

prolly just random tiddybotes and then javelin

[ivory vine]

this is what ive been running

free xp for ppl

cuz def fleet is a meme anyway

[ionic magnet]

i see keripo

[shy hazel]

so when are they gonna deduct more points

[lament lichen]

Never

[shy hazel]

🚮

devs and mods saying that abusing bugs is okay

[ionic magnet]

to be fair its only one mod

[modest elbow]

Armpit team

[hot creek]

OhISee

[lime rivet]

@ionic magnet mmmhmmm.

Tfw asking you guys to assemble proof of bug abuse and directing you guys to the right channels to make sure it gets heard counts as "abusing bugs is okay". Smh

[shy hazel]

we keep sending proof then not getting a single reply is as good as allowing bugs to be abused

zack raised this issue multiple times now with definite proof

[lime rivet]

Considering DST is a twice-a-year issue and the DST bug has only happened twice so far, it's likely a low priority issue

[ionic magnet]

its already a meme for me. lets move on

[lime rivet]

This is a general reminder that this channel is for PvP discussion only. Discussion of where to farm ships for PvP, and ship performance in PvP, is acceptable. Discussion of PvE issues (such as how to clear PvE maps, efficient farming, or leveling strategies in PvE) should be done in #gameplay-help or one of the five general channels. If you're having a conversation that strays off-topic, taking it to PMs would be a good idea.

[shy hazel]

this is a bug that directly affected pvp anyways so we can talk about it here

[lime rivet]

Never said you couldn't. But talking about w11 farming tips or 9-3 farming? Those aren't pvp discussions. Backreading and off topic stuff has been coming up a lot, so here's the reminder.

[hot creek]

tbf, #gameplay-help is a shitstorm of casuals and baddies. It's like the blind leading the blind. I'd rather ask fellow pvp'ers for pve advice.

[ivory vine]

w11 farming tips could easily be pvp related tho

cuz sendai is only really good in pvp

[shy hazel]

going back to the topic of the bug if you backread

restart even said that the last patch didnt fix

everything

and pvp charges are still screwed up

[lime rivet]

@hot creek that is the kind of attitude we really don't like to see. Take it to DMs if you have to, or use another server if you don't like #gameplay-help, but this channel remains for pvp discussion only.

@ivory vine addressed that in the second line of the reminder.

[shy hazel]

even the top one himself in his fb page if you actully read tge comments said he got extra five charges

but still hasnt been deducted till now

[ivory vine]

but in the message after you said "w11 farming tips" isnt pvp discussion

[lime rivet]

Yep.

[ivory vine]

i would still say where to farm them and how to farm them go together

[lime rivet]

@shy hazel if it was put in #game-feedback or put through belfastbot, then the devs have seen it. Whether they choose to act on it or not is up to them.

@ivory vine I would not.

[narrow timber]

since I didn't notice this channel existed until just now (why is it a club and not a normal channel?)

Hi

[shy hazel]

so dming alo is useless is that how it is

@zenith tundra

[finite valve]

@narrow timber specific content / discussion only

in this case it is only for pvp specific talk only

[shy hazel]

did u post all our proof in gf

[lime rivet]

Nope. DMing ALO means he'll pass it on to the dev team. But again, whether or not the devs choose to implement a fix is up to them

[zenith tundra]

gf?

[shy hazel]

game feedback

facebook proof

math

[zenith tundra]

nope only alo dms

[lime rivet]

Did y'all at least post it to belfastbot?

[shy hazel]

I posted mine in gamefeed

then what do i get silent treatment

when the post before me was replied to so fast

[zenith tundra]

u need to level ships to use in pvp. i just posted how i level up a pvp relateed comp. how is that not pvp related?

[ionic magnet]

#gameplay-help has more off topic than here for the record

[lime rivet]

And we hammer #gameplay-help a lot harder than we've done here so far

[hot creek]

its probably for the best that pvp is a club and not default channel

[zenith tundra]

i havent seen anything some hours ago when people were shit talking someone

literal shit talk in help

[lime rivet]

Yeah, uh, one of the yellow names flat out banned people in there directly.

Straight off the server

[finite valve]

i am going to take a lot of flag for this anyway

but can i say my piece

the point of a channel is for ppl with the same goal to talk correct?

[shy hazel]

at this point i can only see this as clamping down on us and indirectly trying to kill pvp with rules

[finite valve]

and yes we may stray off topic

but if at the end of the day no 1 complaint

[ionic magnet]

pve and pvp are not mutually exclusive anyways so there will always be "pve" discussions

[finite valve]

is that in it self a bad thing?

[lime rivet]

@finite valve i've had multiple complaints from people here before

[finite valve]

really now?

[hot creek]

we've had this discussion before. and while your conclusion is sensible and agreeable, in the end, the rules are whatever the mods say so....

[finite valve]

lel

well yeh i am of the same opinion

their server their rule

all i can do is follow zzz

[lime rivet]

And the entire point of this club channel is to spin off #pvp discussion into its own separate channel from #gameplay-help, since #gameplay-help was formerly clogged with people asking for advice and getting it from two separate groups that don't necessarily start from the same point.

So this channel is strictly for pvp-related discussion

[zenith tundra]

if u need to ban people or send warnings just do so. i dont think there is any point in this rn

[lime rivet]

@zenith tundra hence my reminder. I'm giving warning right now that further off-topic conversation here will be sanctioned in the future.

[hot creek]

wait, people in this channel are complaining about going off topic?

[lime rivet]

Yyeeep. Complaining about too much pve discussion

[shy hazel]

zack

well just have to complain much more

about pvp bugs

[ivory vine]

but pve is how we get all the ships/equip used in pvp besides sodak

[lime rivet]

Did y'all post on the trello yet?

[ionic magnet]

just when this channel is getting livelier than ever

[shy hazel]

just redirect then pve to help

[zenith tundra]

i would suggest u change datkova strat in pvp he lost 65 pts advantage over my score in 3 days

[lime rivet]

@ivory vine that's why #gameplay-help exists.

[shy hazel]

help that doesnt help

[ivory vine]

id rather ask in general and get memed

[ionic magnet]

no actually. #gameplay-help is for newbies (no offense)

[ivory vine]

mainly cuz idc for tips most of the time i just check here to see some theorycrafting occasionally

[finite valve]

also i would like to bet my $ that the one who complain about #pvp discuss about pve are those that never / rarely discuss about pvp in #pvp

[lime rivet]

#gameplay-help has some fairly advanced discussions, but is primarily centred around general pve performance and farming optimisation, so their loadouts and reccs are not suitable for pve. I wouldn't say they're not useful, since a ton of the math for optimisation were done by the people populating help.

[ivory vine]

it doesnt matter who complained tho

[zenith tundra]

@finite valve i think its same for people who complain about help channel

[ivory vine]

just someone did and it's considered off topic

[finite valve]

yeh that what i thought also

but hey like i said their server their rule

and i am sure not going to suggest a witch hunt

so whatever tbh

[ivory vine]

but that also explains why ive seen mods in #pvp recently

[ionic magnet]

im not saying we should completely ditch #gameplay-help but their main focus is pve which is very different in pvp if you're min maxing

[lime rivet]

Correct

[ionic magnet]

so imo better discuss pve matters with pvp peeps for better results

[finite valve]

and ppl who never contribute to any pvp discussion going to report to mod either way

fueling more fire to the flame

[shy hazel]

just let them warn people

[ivory vine]

there are people that unironically want permanent slow mode in general who barely go to the channel

i've given up on trying to understand some of those things

[shy hazel]

whatever happens

[zenith tundra]

i dont think talking about exp farm for pvp related comps is off topic in any case since it can help other people level up their comps

[shy hazel]

there will be offshoot topics at one point

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

like what is best ship

[ivory vine]

better to just suck it up and deal w/ the changes

[shy hazel]

where to farm it

how to efficiently farm it

[lime rivet]

Refer to my reminder then.

[shy hazel]

just mute them all

[finite valve]

sound like irl shit to me lel

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

its hard to draw the line but i think we get your point now

[shy hazel]

goodluck muting all newbies that will ask the inevitable

[finite valve]

before you ask i would like to ask help on what pvp or pve?

eh pve

[hot creek]

Personally, I don't see this channel going off topic that often to warrant complaints but whatever. I just hope whoever was it who complained actually contributes here and isn't some rando who wants too see this channel and its regulars burned.

[finite valve]

go to #gameplay-help mate

[coral wren]

ok ty

[finite valve]

pve question in my #pvp channel?

filthy casual lel

[coral wren]

yeah sorry my bad. enjoy ur 10 attempt cheaters instead

[finite valve]

[ivory vine]

[shy hazel]

the thing i know if im mad at something related about pvp ill say it here

[hot creek]

Don't worry we'll be prepared for DST bug 3.0 the next time it happens.

[shy hazel]

no matter what

[finite valve]

@hot creek same bro

since they have no intention of fixing it

[ivory vine]

can we just not do dst

[finite valve]

going to abuse the hell next time

[ivory vine]

thanks

[finite valve]

lel

[coral wren]

just spam ur rank 1 score on next DST change nothing wrong with 9k score rank 1 pvper,
he just sandbagged really hard

[lime rivet]

DST was a mistake

[ivory vine]

it was

i live in america

i hate this shit

[finite valve]

LIFE itself is a mistake

[shy hazel]

youreofftopic time to get warned now

[zenith tundra]

all u need is to use all 10 attempts before the reset. if ur lcuky u can sandbag with almost 50 extra score easy win

[finite valve]

well tbh i do feel cheated since he basically get free rank 1 w/o doing anything

[shy hazel]

pvp only topics pls

[ivory vine]

but dst ruins our pvp so it's on topic

[finite valve]

but at the end of the day all i want is aotn

so i can deal with it somehow

[ivory vine]

i just want the fuckin merit rewards

gimme purins

[finite valve]

for those that want rank 1 at end of season it might be hard

[coral wren]

pls there are no cheaters in pvp. only hardcore sandbaggers that are better than u

[zenith tundra]

the thing is a lot of people put effort into sandbagging. it's not really fair when someone gains points without doing anything

[hot creek]

IIRC, I was actually gunning for AoTN for the first time when DST bug 1.0 happened. I still managed to get AoTN that season even though I was at a disadvantage.

[finite valve]

it really depend on what time DST happen

if it was at the middle of season

you can still get rank 1

only downside would be DST at the end of season

since at that point you can't do shit

[shy hazel]

not really

[zenith tundra]

dst end season wouldnt change much only rushers before patch would gain

[shy hazel]

if the top one even knows how to sandbag we wont have a chance

thankfully

[hybrid tendon]

well just make sure to abuse it next time cause they wont do anything after all

[shy hazel]

the top one rn is an idiot

[hybrid tendon]

[shy hazel]

who keeps using all charges

so he keeps on dropping

[zenith tundra]

im already going for next dst bug

[finite valve]

number wan for the win

yep same

[coral wren]

got soft warning for baiting thought it was gonna be for off topic

[shy hazel]

if i actually a.used the bug and got top one

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

would u still feel good tho

[finite valve]

lucky i only want aotn

[shy hazel]

youll only see me top obe in tye first charge

[finite valve]

lel

[shy hazel]

because ill sandbag like a scumbag

[finite valve]

hardcore sandbagger in #pvp channel

what of the odd?

[vague token]

lol

[hybrid tendon]

gasp

[zenith tundra]

i still remember my warning for posting aurora pic after whaling for her. like the most important ship in pvp rn

[hybrid tendon]

impossible

[ivory vine]

just post the dock image instead of the intro one

[zenith tundra]

at least for vgs

[shy hazel]

just censor her eyes and name

and its all okay

[coral wren]

lol

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

ain't she tho?

[vague token]

[hybrid tendon]

galaxy brain right there

[finite valve]

i mean she is important for pvp

[vague token]

i dunno, i think juneau is most important ;)

[hybrid tendon]

whos this pokemon

[vague token]

or amagi

[hybrid tendon]

juneau is for super trihards

[coral wren]

its soft warning for posting trophy

[hybrid tendon]

and its botes cruelty

[lime rivet]

Yukikaze fukken when

[finite valve]

depend on context lel

@lime rivet next year bro

[shy hazel]

when dst gets fixed

[vague token]

xD

[hybrid tendon]

oh shit

[hot creek]

the real galaxy brain way to get around trophy rules is to post oath scene.

[hybrid tendon]

so never then

[zenith tundra]

u can run amakaga efficiently without juneau but not without aurora for now

[coral wren]

when is next dst so I can prepare for 10k score rush

[vague token]

so i guess amagi is the most valuable ship?

[hybrid tendon]

yea amagi's barrage can miss

despite hitting the frontline

in the face

[lime rivet]

Next DST is in november

[finite valve]

@coral wren https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=day+light+saving

lazy ass

lel

[coral wren]

my phone changes time automaticly

[zenith tundra]

i should set the alarm for it from now

[finite valve]

lel

[shy hazel]

so zack are u still gonna put our proofs in trello

or just let it pass

[zenith tundra]

ill do it once i get home

im at work rn

[shy hazel]

at this point im still mad

[finite valve]

i think the better question is do you think they going to fix the issue or not?

[shy hazel]

at work too

[buoyant parrot]

My live 5 PvP run today :)

[finite valve]

as far as i know they know of the abuse

[buoyant parrot]

https://youtu.be/3RpX860Lh70

[shy hazel]

id like to get an answer than get ignored

[finite valve]

but failed to fix it completely

[coral wren]

what are u ppl doing at work at 3:39 am! never heard of timezones btw

[hybrid tendon]

same, at work too
the thing is that he defended it, I'm not even mad about the guy

[shy hazel]

getting ignored for a legitimate issue makes me even more mad

[zenith tundra]

i work night shift

[shy hazel]

graveyard shift ppl

[hybrid tendon]

hmm

btw

do you guys think a real time pvp

would be plausible/

[buoyant parrot]

yey +11

[coral wren]

holy crap. how fast does enemy vanguard get wiped once they reach ur BBs

[shy hazel]

impossible

[finite valve]

real time only work if you manual

[buoyant parrot]

lol

[hybrid tendon]

only friendlist pvp of course

[finite valve]

since we only have auto

[hybrid tendon]

real time manual unranked pvp

[finite valve]

useless

[shy hazel]

they cant even fix a timezone bug

[finite valve]

oh

could be

[hybrid tendon]

like fighting friend's fleet

[zenith tundra]

al is a farm game no strange stuff like that ever

[shy hazel]

why u think theyll make,a good matching system

[hybrid tendon]

you add your friend then beat them up

[buoyant parrot]

lol that vice defense

[finite valve]

i think too much work for the deal to impliment

[hybrid tendon]

or just auto pvp but for friendlist

[finite valve]

i think a better system is the ability to search for opponent name

[hybrid tendon]

without the 20% attacker bonus

[finite valve]

then battle his fleet

[hybrid tendon]

[finite valve]

that is good enough

[hybrid tendon]

I really want to beat people up

without the attacker bonus

and risk of losing pvp points

[finite valve]

well technically you can do it if you are not gunning for rank 1 end of season

[hybrid tendon]

a friendlist pvp would be REALLY nice

[buoyant parrot]

I'm so confident with my Backline I dont care my Vanguards dying

[hybrid tendon]

you could ask your friend to change the lineup for experiment and shit

[zenith tundra]

is there any suggestion for friends "exercises" i wanted to post that too

[hybrid tendon]

and winning with 20% attacker bonus is kinda not satisfying enough

like really

but implementing that in normal pvp is too tryharding

imagine having no attacker bonus?

[finite valve]

pretty sure jesus going to king in that mode

[hybrid tendon]

and every match you have to be ready for reset

Yikes

[zenith tundra]

i think it would be easier to get mock exercises for friendlist with pvp rules then them changing stuff for it

[hybrid tendon]

yea

mock exercises would be nice

[buoyant parrot]

there if you where watching my 5 PvP that's how WASD with Amagi works best with Amakaga Meta 😂

[shy hazel]

friendly exercise is in trelll

trello

[hybrid tendon]

yea

[buoyant parrot]

LOL that last match WAS SCARY!!!

[hybrid tendon]

but i just wanna talk more about it so people dont forget

[zenith tundra]

if amakaga meta doesn't die with 110 wasda might become best comp

[buoyant parrot]

there goes my 5 attacks for this hour

[hybrid tendon]

Actually think amakaga would die ever

[buoyant parrot]

I sering ark complaining about the 13.3k WASD

[shy hazel]

im so disappointed and dont have hopes for them devs alrdy anyways

[buoyant parrot]

mine is 13.6

[shy hazel]

can even fix dst bugs properly

[zenith tundra]

im still waiting because no one is moving

[shy hazel]

how to make a new feature

[hybrid tendon]

[buoyant parrot]

OMG

lol!!!

[hybrid tendon]

you gotta have BALLS

[zenith tundra]

lol

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[hybrid tendon]

sir

it was fox vs fox, mano a mano

[hot creek]

tbf. Time related stuff are notoriously one of the more difficult things to program for. Gets messy real quick.

[hybrid tendon]

I'd cut them some slack if this was the first time

alas, it wasnt

[hot creek]

true, lol.

[zenith tundra]

imo they should just avoid doing it

[buoyant parrot]

I'm now Rank 8 in Fleet P-P-P-POWER!

[zenith tundra]

[shy hazel]

power of extra charges

[buoyant parrot]

but there's no Extra Charges in Fleet Ranking

[vague token]

finally maxed dork skills, all that's left is affection i guess and she'll be full power pvp.

[shy hazel]

oh fleet power

[vague token]

oh yeah, i dont want to scroll up cause i asked waaaay up there, but how is kirishima for pvp xD

[real notch]

200 affection?

[vague token]

yeah

[real notch]

yea my dork just finished as well

[shy hazel]

isnt kirishima trash

[vague token]

im pretty sure she's the sanshiki barrager

[real notch]

i could try testing QE hood dork but i'm already testing wasda rn

[shy hazel]

pve pvp

[vague token]

i dunno

maybe i can meme with the 410 gold to go along with her barrage

cover the screen in useless bullets

top kek

just lag out attackers xD

[ionic magnet]

winning by lag new meta

[vague token]

gotta use 2 carriers with bonus planes

no need to kill their hp when you can kill their phone

;)

[ionic magnet]

my phone already has micro freezes when fighting akaga

[vague token]

X_x

who even gets the most amount of bonus planes

im guessing taihou later

cause she can get like 3 sets of extra planes

[finite valve]

if you think 40% for a barrage is bad

taihou can triple that number

LMFAO

at least she is good for what is worth

[elder crane]

Well, technically the infinite launch CVLs have the most potential planes

With Ranger at 8 iirc being densest of those, so probs the highest hypothetical maximum number of planes on screen

I guess you could run all of them

[vague token]

oh i meant ones that like

[finite valve]

well gl trying to get RNGesus to make it so that you can even x3 like 10% of the time

[vague token]

got extra planes built in

[elder crane]

X3 is already 2.25% soooo, XD

[vague token]

like hornet or someone

xD

[finite valve]

well shangrila got it

ark also

[elder crane]

Ark has raid CV, it's double dmg not more planes, and doesn't chain

[finite valve]

bunnies kai

[vague token]

her slow skill

[finite valve]

her 1 skill does lol

[vague token]

has 2 extra aim torp planes

i think

[elder crane]

Oh you mean more planes, Ark is like 1 more XD

[finite valve]

her 1 skill add like 2 or 3 sword fish

[vague token]

the skills dont really say how many are in the bonuses xD

[elder crane]

Centaur adds more iirc

[finite valve]

was thinking off the top of my head

and the question was about CV that got built in more planes after each strike

not how much they got

[elder crane]

Shangri-la and bunnies aren't locked to strike though

[vague token]

well, you'd want to time it with the strike

so there's as many possible entities on screen

[elder crane]

Bunnies is timed, SL is start of match

[vague token]

you'd use stuka cause that is 5

[finite valve]

well tbh CV is not really that picky about timing

[vague token]

no i mean for lagging out opponents ;)

[finite valve]

unless you want to time it with VG skill

oh

[vague token]

so kirishima with 410 gold

[finite valve]

like lag spike?

[vague token]

proc her barrage skill

lots of pellets

then 2 carriers

probably

[finite valve]

oh

[vague token]

double stuka, dunno about fighter and torp slots though

[finite valve]

well in that case i think taihou is best in that regard

[vague token]

yeah i figured

[finite valve]

since her nuke is basically well you guess is

[elder crane]

Sara Kai should be good too

[finite valve]

a nuke

[elder crane]

Since 6 DBs+bonus planes

[vague token]

xD

that would be a lot of stukas on screen lol

[finite valve]

i think the the question is which planes give the best bomb visual

[vague token]

is it better to have more bombs

or bigger bombs

[finite valve]

since you only get lag after the bomb explode

[vague token]

hmm

[finite valve]

not at the amount of planes on screen

[coral wren]

i missed five attempts today where did i yeet my brain to

[elder crane]

Might still be good ole SB2C for larger explosions, if you want to crowd screen

[finite valve]

@coral wren put up alarm my boi

[vague token]

add timer to phone

[odd schooner]

It seems like even pvp channel isn't safe anymore

Welp

[vague token]

who was it here that woke up at night?

xD

[odd schooner]

Missed 9 charges now

Bye

[vague token]

o/

[finite valve]

gg

[elder crane]

🇫

[coral wren]

edgy

[finite valve]

better delete my comment

[odd schooner]

Flexing non pvp def fleet too

[ionic magnet]

[odd schooner]

Right

[coral wren]

deleted messages are saved in the logs

there is no escape

[finite valve]

[odd schooner]

And we can't do anything about it

[finite valve]

well tbh i doubt most ppl who are actively discus about pvp in here would really have any issue with most off topic anyway

so we can just move to another server for it lel

[zenith tundra]

i dont think so. mostly of what is talked here is relevant or would affect pvp. dunno how talking about using foxes for leveling up while farming 9-3 is even remotely close to off topic

[finite valve]

well like i said their server their rule

so go ask them that

i just say whatever

[sour oasis]

I saw that name Tom

[coral wren]

nani?

[zenith tundra]

[shy hazel]

let them warn everyone who doesnt read pins

new ppl will always come

they wanna make modding harder

then let them

[vague token]

i mean, id rather they directly moderate the channels lol

[shy hazel]

🚮

[vague token]

at least they can try to interact with us

give us a dedicated mod or a staff interaction

[finite valve]

should delete my mess

[shy hazel]

just make all your topics pvp related

[finite valve]

don't want to give them ideas lel

[shy hazel]

BYTHEWAY

[finite valve]

well yeh dedicated mod might work

[shy hazel]

w13 and w9 hard for jp just got announced for next patch

[finite valve]

or just lil mods if they don't want to trouble real mod for it

[shy hazel]

i wonder if there are dank pvp ships in world 13

[finite valve]

w13 or w11?

[zenith tundra]

w13 u mean lol

[shy hazel]

oops 11

[zenith tundra]

u wrote w11

[finite valve]

so which it is lel?

[shy hazel]

13 i mean

lol

[finite valve]

lel

pretty sure w13 not going to have any SR ship

need w14 for that

[shy hazel]

imean ssrs are useless

cept foxes

[finite valve]

well more gold for your collection lel

[shy hazel]

jint and sendai is top pvp memes

[zenith tundra]

so when we are about to catch up they get ahead

[shy hazel]

maybe well have something

like them

[finite valve]

all i really want atm are PR

roon my 1 true bae

[shy hazel]

most used PVP ships is like

[zenith tundra]

but pr are a huge waste of resources especially time

[shy hazel]

louis roon monarch

iirc

[hot creek]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/534328527626043395/52526407.gif

ill do anything for Neptune

[shy hazel]

id still go for monarch first

to prepare for ws kai

[finite valve]

meh

roon all the way for me

[vague token]

i saw neptune and thought neptunia

neptunia collab buff when for pvp

NEXT retros

[shy hazel]

neptunia 🚮

[finite valve]

same lel

i would rather get izumo before her

[zenith tundra]

i think neprune might be best pvp ship

[finite valve]

for her heal?

[shy hazel]

if u go full hms i thibk

[vague token]

she's the PR HMS CL right?

[shy hazel]

seems louis and roon does more than her

[vague token]

i thought louis would be better in CA meta

plus like

35% HE boost

on research HE CA gun

lotta damage

like what are you gonna do with 35% AP damage on a CL xD

is there a secret AP CL gun that is super buff?

[shy hazel]

qe

[zenith tundra]

roon is useless in pvp outside of a tank. louis extra evasion is nice but still nothing more. monarch is only in hms comps

[vague token]

hmm

[shy hazel]

apparently jp got pr as april fools

and its almost april

[zenith tundra]

it is that close yes

it should be soon after w11

[shy hazel]

w11 is literally in the corner

[hot creek]

I just want to be Neptune's slave. https://puu.sh/CZcbN/1b191674dc.png

[shy hazel]

shoo youe fetish isnt pvp related

youll get warned

[hot creek]

dw Neptune is a pvp ship I promise.

[shy hazel]

i mean ye

hms fleeta in jp has full pr with ws kai

the only difference is

to qe or not to qe

[zenith tundra]

hms without qe is not hms tho

[hot creek]

no QE. Nagato/WS/Hyuuga

[finite valve]

incoming qe kai with a skill that debuff all non hms ship by -15%

lel

[vague token]

including your own!

xD

[finite valve]

acceptable draw back

[zenith tundra]

if qe vets a retro most like she'll get a barrage with 40% chance like nagato

or the hms route like ws with improved qe buff but flagship only and extra skill

[finite valve]

well they could add extra line like debuff all non hms ship with same amount

of add if in fs position increase the buff by 5%

either could work

20 is a little too overkill for a all rounder buff

[zenith tundra]

but i think if she gets retro she should be forced fs like nagato

[finite valve]

yeh my thought also

dk about her buff tho

[vague token]

id rather she like command/target things

[finite valve]

i think either increase in buff or a debuff work fine

[vague token]

just steal the warspite kai mark

off of her and give it to QE

like the Queen's Scepter or something

and then make it affect ALL HMS aimed effects

aim torps ark royal

[finite valve]

could work

atm only WS got the aimed affect

[vague token]

with maybe a bulk boost instead of more damage

imo she doesnt need directly more damage like a barrage or more stats

like maybe damage reduction per maid/hms

xD

Royal Guard

or something

[finite valve]

i think the better question atm is not QE but rather jesus

what will a jesus kai look like?

[vague token]

lol

[finite valve]

i think they just going to add more stat

[vague token]

inb4 they make her tankier

reee

[finite valve]

yeh something like port kai may be

[vague token]

or debuff enemies using the brothers

i dunno

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

brothers grudge

[vague token]

yeah

[shy hazel]

if defensive skill

thwn the three martyr brothers

[hot creek]

nothing matters, just wait for Bismarck to release

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

a dmg buff to hms bbs when flagship would be a good qe retro skill

[vague token]

yeah but hms has carriers, lets not pigeonhole hms to bbs

[zenith tundra]

i only see 1 carrier in hms. do u see more?

[vague token]

xD

shh

which is why you give her a carrier friendly skill to open up more options ;)

[finite valve]

skill description: at 10s after battle start and 20s interval fire a single shot salvo with a 50% change to instant kill the target (Target is choosen randomly between main / vanguard in pvp).

[vague token]

lol

[finite valve]

#makekmsgreatagain

[ionic magnet]

i'd prefer a completely new skill for qe kai actually. not some recycled skill from prev ships

[zenith tundra]

When sorted as flagship increase damage dealt by arc shoot from hms units by 5-15% and increase their accuracy by 5-15%

[finite valve]

using shit gun for a great ship

hmmmm

[zenith tundra]

imo that would be a fair and balanced skill that would make her worth being used

[finite valve]

well my skill stay true to the tutorial more then anything

so yeh kindda meme

but i rather have her buff stat like QE if you ask me

since you asking ppl to use a specific bad gun for her to work

if anything i would have her skill as fs to remove tirp req to be use as solo BB to work

since that is stupid

[zenith tundra]

jb uses a bad gun to work

belfast uses a bad gun to work

it wouldn't be the 1st ship so

[idle python]

massa is forced into a "bad" gun

[finite valve]

and look where that help her

in case of belfap i would say that it is due to how popular she is if anything else

also who is jb?

jav?

[zenith tundra]

jean bart

[finite valve]

oh

is that gun consider bad?

[idle python]

it's... very inconsistent

[zenith tundra]

she uses a quad shoot weapon that shoots twice

[finite valve]

is the gun can only shoot twice or her only shoot twice?

[idle python]

the gun shoots as a 2x2 each mount

[finite valve]

rip then

[idle python]

so the first set of 2 goes then the 2nd set of two follow at the exact same place the first 2 are

jb only has mgm+1

so it's 8 shells with the 3rd/4th and 7th/8th landing at the same spot the 1st/2nd and 5th/6th did

[finite valve]

i know about jean skill

i only dk about the gun

all i hope for bisko is that she can make kms viable in pvp

great design as a faction

no place in either pvp or pve

so sad

[ionic magnet]

jb has only one mgm+1 so she shoots two salvos at a time but she has preloaded main guns instead

[zenith tundra]

inb4 bismarck a bm

so she can work with tirp

[finite valve]

yeh

hope they make bisko force tirp to be a team player then a lone queen lel

[zenith tundra]

lone queen and no cvs killed kms

[hot creek]

HMS doesnt have CVs either, they are doing...ok.

[finite valve]

well pray WoW 2 going to add some more kraut lel

[ionic magnet]

idrc about factions cos lets be real. mixed faction = best faction

[zenith tundra]

well nagato would prove u wrong but whatever

[ionic magnet]

still a mixed faction tho

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

well jesus is universal so she doesn't count

[ionic magnet]

btw still no news on next major event right?

not sure if its still worth oathing foxes

[finite valve]

waifu > stat

[zenith tundra]

nope

[ionic magnet]

kaga is waifu akagi tho

[zenith tundra]

if u dont like them just forget about akaga

no reason to waste rings on ships u don't like/use

[finite valve]

it is pretty hard to use all the ship equally

so pretty much it all come down to like

[ionic magnet]

when nagato comes, are foxes really dead

[zenith tundra]

some ships i oathed because i use them but not many

hard to really say but namagi will be extremely strong

with lvl 120 and their buffs

[ionic magnet]

mm so theyll be like useable but the best?

like every other fleet rn aside from amakaga

[zenith tundra]

3rd slot is the struggle for namagi till taihou

[ionic magnet]

i see

[zenith tundra]

with a 3rd ijn bb ull end up like hms with poor aa. so u need a cv

[ionic magnet]

ill just oath jesus instead

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu pretty much is 1st choice as long as she can burst enough without kai

also nakaga will eat alive comps with no aa

this is why hms was never used as much in nakaga meta even with monarch

[ionic magnet]

mm then nakaga should beat namagi right?

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is a strong counter to foxes

her invincibility makes foxes never a threat

[idle python]

nah

bb kaga

I tested nakaga vs some namagi bb kaga lineup

namagi still did better

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu is one thing but nagato and amagi has terrible AAs

[zenith tundra]

amagi top is pretty safe

we got sirius tho. that nullifies amagi debuff

[ionic magnet]

its not that clear to me gotta test it myself

[idle python]

maybe aurora+sendai+sirius but when I tested sendai+aurora+ykkz it went negative

[zenith tundra]

maybe go sirius aurora jesus/yukikaze?

unless u really need that sendai for cas

[elder crane]

Hiryuu doesn't care about more dmg though, and will still return wipe

[real notch]

NANIII

[idle python]

sendai should be better than sirius though

[finite valve]

nice meme there bro

[vague token]

sendai wont be as good for hiryuu solo as sirius

[zenith tundra]

it was about bb kaga not hiryuu

[vague token]

oh

lol oil

in pvp

triggered

[elder crane]

The formation icon gives away as PvE

[idle python]

I have a series of ss somewhere showing the progression of a fairly typically nakaga vs namagi izumo lineup I'll look for it

[finite valve]

incoming mod ban

[elder crane]

As does the auto mode icon

[finite valve]

TAKE COVER

[elder crane]

Due to how stats scale and interact, aviation damage drops off somewhat with higher levels as well

[zenith tundra]

how did u end up all the oil?

[idle python]

foxes aren't married and full 120 but here's the start after amagi launches her barrage, doesn't do much as expected https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520242433049755662/533543303115964416/Screenshot_20190111-230955.jpg

[elder crane]

So we at lv100 and soon lv110 will see slight differences from lv120

[idle python]

this is when frontline dies https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520242433049755662/533543784349302784/Screenshot_20190111-231112.jpg

this is when my frontline dies https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520242433049755662/533543783808368651/Screenshot_20190111-231128.jpg

as you can see they have the hp advantage and this was common for most of my tests

[zenith tundra]

that is amagi magic not anything else tbh

[vague token]

amagi is a huge durability boost for main fleet so

[elder crane]

We do have equipment diffs and lv diff from JPCN, so EN might have a diff experience for when Nagato first comes out

Until content catches up more

[zenith tundra]

why was hms never a counter to nakaga before? they got monarch before nagato

because hms has poor aa

[idle python]

hms does pretty well vs nakaga (pre warspite kai) once fcr came out

I actually prefered hms over nakaga

[lament lichen]

I only used nakaga since thats the only shit i had backthen

[zenith tundra]

but it wouldnt stop nakaga on offense

[elder crane]

Lower lv and no PR equipment/shells means nakaga will be more threatening here than currently in JPCN

[idle python]

that's also true

[vague token]

i think nakaga will be just as cheesable with hiryu still xD

not like any defense fleet can reallly be a troll in EN

[elder crane]

Yeah, that probs won't change

[ionic magnet]

our hiryuu has no kai too so

[elder crane]

Doesn't matter too much actually

[vague token]

that's ok

she will mvp because 3 strikes

in 2 strike time period

is strong

[elder crane]

2+1 strikes from Hiryuu already mostly wipes Amakaga, rest of team makes up diff

And nakaga is more squishy

[vague token]

plus, if you dont

you get 15 seconds reset time

=D

=)))

[ionic magnet]

triggering her skill in 20 secs or 35 secs is a big deal to me

[vague token]

sometimes i get it on the first strike if a torp crits

makes me sad

just reroll that

[elder crane]

Juneau+Badge on Hiryuu mitigates that

[vague token]

i have given up juneau because precious

and badge is on port kai

must protec

[hybrid tendon]

well hiryuu meta is so last month

its warspite kai now

[vague token]

xD

just use hiryuu and warspite kai

[ionic magnet]

i know the pain cos i fought your hiryuu before blue

[hybrid tendon]

galaxy brain right there

[ionic magnet]

really annoying

[hybrid tendon]

warspite from being an absolute pushover

[elder crane]

Oh, how did it do on def? Based off offense perf the team seems like it should fail on def

[hybrid tendon]

to a beast

still shit in pve

tho

[elder crane]

It seems like WSkai should be useful for EX and some bosses, no?

[ionic magnet]

the difference between triggering her skill in 20 secs and 35 secs is so big

thats why i think her kai is really needed to push her over the top

[hybrid tendon]

pre kai

it never hits

EVER

in pve

well, USS and HMS got their ultra kais

so who should be kai in kms and ijn?

[vague token]

sandy numbah wan

[hybrid tendon]

prinz and.......???

taco?

[elder crane]

Furry taco already has one

[vague token]

wat

[hybrid tendon]

prinz kai would be literally 10 k hp

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[vague token]

oh god

still does no damage

but 10k hp

xD

[hybrid tendon]

super thicc eugen

[elder crane]

Or be radioactive

AoE dmg

[vague token]

id like to see shields do collision damage

like indy

[hybrid tendon]

hmm

IJN has no bad SR

actually

🤔

[ionic magnet]

poi?

[hybrid tendon]

nah

[elder crane]

Poi is actually good, just overshadowed

[finite valve]

poi is not really what you would call bad

she just got too many broken ship in her class

[idle python]

yeah atago/maya prob the worst ones but they're not that bad

[hybrid tendon]

you can invest less and get mostly the same unit as the starters

nah atago is HE

[ionic magnet]

yea but if shes not in meta then shes just as bad

[hybrid tendon]

HE is great

maybe maya then?

not T0 =/= bad

[zenith tundra]

izumo kai lol

[hybrid tendon]

sandy and warspite were indisputably bad

but

all the IJN SR

[elder crane]

Cause if you want to Kai a good ship and not power creep, you get shite like Kagerou

[hybrid tendon]

are like tier 2

or more

so no kai needed

[ionic magnet]

pls t1 and t0 are the only ones that matter

[zenith tundra]

next kai vicky

[hybrid tendon]

or they can just release yamato

haHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[elder crane]

Yama-class and shima-class are planned this year, if the leaked equips a few mo ago are indicating correctly

Rainbow 460 and 610 quints

[hybrid tendon]

610

holy shit

[finite valve]

useful for manual only

hard pass lel

[elder crane]

The 460 that was leaked was BBAP, so

Maybe they'll give it the Massachusetts treatment

[vague token]

buff AP rounds maybe? xD

[hybrid tendon]

never

if they buff AP, KMS would be good

[ionic magnet]

so whats the point of releasing them

[hybrid tendon]

nobody want that

[vague token]

oh, not that way though

i was thinking

make AP first shot

prioritize backline

and have a weight towards main fleet

so ap is for main fleet dueling

HE is generalist

normal is w/e

[elder crane]

PvP it already is niche-usable, from WSkai and cause CAs appear sometimes

[finite valve]

ain't most CA in pvp are just PR?

[idle python]

the best ones are

but there are substitutes

[elder crane]

PvE also niche vs some bosses as 2nd and 3rd BB gun

But if they give it Massachusetts treatment and lessen the vs light penalty, it might be more generally decent

Plus, leaked=subject to change

[vague token]

i mean, wouldnt a main fleet MGM weight

be fine?

without actually adjusting damage

[elder crane]

With fires being a thing, I'm not actually sure it'd be enough

Might be, would be an interesting thing to test for sure

[vague token]

hmm, how much fire damage on backline is relevant given amagi reduction?

i usually just blow up people with shell and barrage damage

not the burning

if i dont get a double barrage they wont die fire or not xD

[elder crane]

For PvE fires means you always want at least one BBHE gun if you use BBs, even vs Med/Heavy bosses

[vague token]

oh yeah for sure

[elder crane]

Given PvP focus is more sparse, I'd imagine it'd work out similarly? Maybe not, since PvP is not as grindy

Sparse as in the shots distributed between multiple ships, so more fires set relative to PvE

[vague token]

or just add flood damage to ap rounds

that way amagi cant mitigate them

[ionic magnet]

my amagi fire does some 500ish dmg

5 ticks and its some 2.5k dmg

[vague token]

i usually see fire melting my vanguards

not so much mainfleet

[zenith tundra]

lol
AzurLane OfficialToday at 4:23 AM
Sure, you could contact Aki to help you.

[ionic magnet]

whats that

[zenith tundra]

about bug abusers in pvp

[ionic magnet]

atleast you got a reply. i got nothing

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

i just resent it to aki after changing it a bit

this season is such a mess. i can't get any bonus anywhere anymore. if i sandbag no one moves and top rank starting to fall off too much in score

[lament lichen]

Cant sandbag just rush

Noftr messed me up

He ate a +9

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure if i rush i get more since last 2 reset i sandbagged and got nothing really

[lament lichen]

Cant get +2

The previous cycle i got +6

Its pretty much play at the same time

[zenith tundra]

rn i'm ahead by 5 pts wtf

i'm at 5/10 btw

[lament lichen]

9/10

Kamita should be 10 ahead of me at least last time i found him

[zenith tundra]

AKIToday at 8:22 AM
hi, we had known this issue and already deducted a portion of their Seasonal Score for abusing the PVP bug

my score sucks so badly... only 2574 end season with no extra bonuses

[ionic magnet]

hmm so i guess they just cant fix everything

[zenith tundra]

i mean whatever

[hot creek]

2574 with no extra bonuses sounds p high

[zenith tundra]

it's trash not even top 20 i would say

[real notch]

rest in pepperonis

[zenith tundra]

but i don't get any more bonuses

how the hell did u use all the oil in the world???

i mean i'm sitting at everything over 9k usually but 7k now but how do u get to 0