pvp

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Anyways

I'll wait for this guy then ping when I'm done

[shy hazel]

no i alrdy got some bonuses

tis fine now

lol

[odd schooner]

Okay

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner is there any merit to go to 6/10 to try and catch people who rush their attempts that are at like 5/10 now? is it worth doing for example if ur at 7-8/10 and most likely not gonna get another bonus?

[odd schooner]

Some people do last 10 minutes rush

And usually we see those top 2 do it on those times too

[zenith tundra]

i never got 1 bonus in the last 10 mins in the last 2 seasons

[odd schooner]

And that's how i screw up too lmao

6/10

Sleeps

Wakes up after reset

[hybrid tendon]

lul

same

[odd schooner]

Technically you're safe with 2 runs in

Some people just wants to push it further

[zenith tundra]

every time i waited for last 3 minutes to do 3 attempts never got 1 bonus

[odd schooner]

Some people just really push 10/10 tbh

See ether

He screwed up, got a bit sad, pushed all 10

[zenith tundra]

what im saying is not pushing from 10/10 but from 7-8/10 which is usually what u end up with before reset

to 6/10

[odd schooner]

They popup randomly tbh i got a few before so i tried waiting even when I'm 6/10 hence the tragic -1 game on some season

Tl:dr it is not worthy

[zenith tundra]

that has nothing to do with pushing 6/10 if u forget to play

[odd schooner]

These players you usually wait for are those 5/10 and uses everything i guess

There's a lot of them than sandbaggers

[zenith tundra]

even in avrora where i mostly see sandbaggers?

[odd schooner]

Yeah

Our closest probably is Sane Paul

He's constantly using every tries

Actually if you browse top 100 now, you'll see familiar names

The constant top 100 every reset

[pearl nimbus]

Ok, so from my experience Wasd+Hood with torp frontline is mildly terrifying

It's been the only comp capable of me almost losing with Amakaga.

[shy hazel]

wao rip

i lost a round

guess its not top 10 this season for me

mirror with donald trump ganked me

[pearl nimbus]

Can we actually get Donald Trump in this Discord?

I want to just generally have him around

[shy hazel]

guess i aim for top 20 again

feels sad man

[zenith tundra]

@pearl nimbus what were u using as vg against that?

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel i think he's using faster planes

[shy hazel]

yea

his planes was too fast

i dont even know why

[odd schooner]

I think he's the meme155 guy

[shy hazel]

maybe its junkers

[odd schooner]

A person identified a meme155 few days ago

[shy hazel]

i doubt he's using aviation fuel too

[odd schooner]

That's why I'm experimenting planes

He's 13.1k?

[shy hazel]

his foxes stats was 13.5k

lol

[zenith tundra]

nakaga meta with amakaga lol

[odd schooner]

13.5 hmm

[shy hazel]

or about 13.3

u can only reach that with double elevators

and oaths

sad day

but well

i guess i wasnt able to farm good bonuses anyways

still sad

fk this trump

ima kill him

[odd schooner]

Ye 13.3

[shy hazel]

first time i lose in 4 seasons

[zenith tundra]

did u lose with jesus or belfast?

[shy hazel]

belfat

[zenith tundra]

u deserve it

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

What kind of fleet did this trump use

[pearl nimbus]

Pre sure he uses Amakaga atm

[odd schooner]

Amakaga ofc

[pearl nimbus]

But he named all his ships synonyms to "wall".

[odd schooner]

He threw away his wasd a few months ago

[zenith tundra]

well that was true

wall for sure

against stella

[odd schooner]

Time to use firefly again

[shy hazel]

hey

[livid fractal]

That Trump guy has 100% win rate PvP and PvE. Used to sandbag him

[odd schooner]

4x 20mm cannons

[shy hazel]

its just really

carelessness

[finite valve]

win rate is meaningless if you can reset lel

[shy hazel]

ive never lost a mirror since amakaga

sooo

i just left it

then bam

[livid fractal]

I don't have 100%

[odd schooner]

You can actually brag win rate

[livid fractal]

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

that cus you never look at your phone when doing pvp

or slow finger?

either way still useless

[livid fractal]

[shy hazel]

no i was actually looking

[odd schooner]

My loss was from season 1 pvp

Never knew reset exists

[coral wren]

Lost couple times while lvling new ships xd

[shy hazel]

its the usual one ship left on each side mirror

[odd schooner]

That was august

[shy hazel]

his planes was weird

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

why won't you reset that tbh

[shy hazel]

told u ive never lost a mirror until now

[odd schooner]

It's probably cv vs cv fight

With same hp

[finite valve]

if you lose against not BiS foxes is just mean you got shit RNG on VG

[zenith tundra]

lesson learned. use non flipcoins comps

[odd schooner]

Main fleet*

[shy hazel]

our vg dies at the same time

then both amagis are dead

same hp and cvs

purely mirror

lol

[finite valve]

case and point

on off your VG should survive

[coral wren]

His fleet must be insane to kill urs ships at same time even tho u have 20% buff

[finite valve]

not die at same time lel

[shy hazel]

his planes was faster

[finite valve]

especially not BiS foxes

[shy hazel]

basically

[zenith tundra]

smoke is rng u know

[finite valve]

that's the main point

[odd schooner]

He never expected a faster plane

[finite valve]

well now he should lel

[odd schooner]

It's BiS vs. modified faster planes

LoL

[finite valve]

the more we talk about it the more my statement is correct

[coral wren]

Whats faster planes?

[odd schooner]

Meme155

Or something else

[finite valve]

since you basically lost VG fight with non BiS foxes

[shy hazel]

i dont care anymore a loss is a loss anyways

👀

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

Sounds fun. Gonna try

[odd schooner]

@coral wren there's another one with firedly but focuses in shredding plane hp

And not losing 500lb x2 bombs

Since 4x 20mm cannons

Then akagi on hellcat for another 2x 20mm cannons

[shy hazel]

i actually

reset 3x

before i lost

[odd schooner]

Oh, hellcat has 2 types of cannons

[finite valve]

are your RNG that bad or did trump power up or something

[pearl nimbus]

I have Pirate on my Akagi :3

[odd schooner]

@finite valve got walled so hard

[finite valve]

did fight him a few time but not really that bad

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

i mean i won against him 3 times season end

[pearl nimbus]

Attacker bonus ftw

[shy hazel]

last season

thats why its weird

that i lost the mirror rn

[finite valve]

so in other word hax?

danned his ass lel

[coral wren]

Xd

[odd schooner]

Got screwed by rng i guess

[shy hazel]

sadlyf

[finite valve]

lost to RNG 4 times in a row

that some kind of luck lel

[coral wren]

What vg did he use?

[shy hazel]

the usual

[coral wren]

Jin aurora ayaa?

[zenith tundra]

this is why u shouldnt run rng on offense

[shy hazel]

heey

[finite valve]

ayaya is not usual for VG

unless you like to meme

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

most of the time is should be belfap

[coral wren]

Bel then

[shy hazel]

do u mean me

or trump

i was using bel

and he was too

[coral wren]

Trumps def

[shy hazel]

aurora bel jint

[coral wren]

I see

[zenith tundra]

belfast smoke is rng if ur ships stay in it or not

[finite valve]

the think about smoke is

[odd schooner]

I have this weird taste of removing beaver on pvp

[finite valve]

HOW DA FUCK DO I KNOW WHERE IT IS?

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

like there are 0 visual clue on where it is

[zenith tundra]

buy glasses lol

[modest elbow]

bel's smoke is really thin

[shy hazel]

the smoke goes forward a little

as time goes by

[odd schooner]

Blaze has arrived

[shy hazel]

its very visible though what

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

your fleet literally glows blue

[modest elbow]

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

yes your fleeet glow blue

[modest elbow]

i can't see it sometimes

[finite valve]

but there are no visual clue other then that

[modest elbow]

though i know the smoke works because the ships glow blue

[finite valve]

i see no "smoke"

[shy hazel]

er

there is

though a little bit dim

[modest elbow]

there is, i can see it sometimes, as i said

[odd schooner]

I woke when i see trans am or trans am infinity

[shy hazel]

i knew it

[finite valve]

need to squint my eyes and concentrate to see it

fucking hell

[shy hazel]

i forgot i was rank 13 last season end

so unlucky

it must be voodoo

[odd schooner]

So 2 people fell today or in 2 days for some folks

[zenith tundra]

i failed 4 seasons in a row count me in too

[odd schooner]

Wait even you?

[finite valve]

<when you failed every season since CBT and gives 0 fuck about it

[zenith tundra]

not this season YET

[odd schooner]

I can't fail for a few season now or I get completely sucked into another game

Last season proved that my will to play is now stucked with AL exercies

[livid fractal]

I got rank 7 last season, my highest sandbag so far

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

@livid fractal what was ur score?

[livid fractal]

2595, didn't reach 2600 mark but still a good try

[zenith tundra]

[modest elbow]

... so high

[zenith tundra]

i had 2more then that before i slept on 3 attempts last reset

[modest elbow]

my best score is around 2570 for end of season

[shy hazel]

lost a charge last season too

now that i think about it

if i didnt lose a charge

2608 may have been possible

[zenith tundra]

how would u get a +20 from 1 attempt?

[shy hazel]

ooops

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shy hazel]

i misread nvm

hey

but with plus 8

i wouldve at least

ended at top 3

wait

nvm

top 10

[zenith tundra]

maybe rank 5-6 with 2.6k

[ionic magnet]

its time to switch to jesus

[odd schooner]

@modest elbow you're gonna try to top 1 end season too?

[modest elbow]

i'm in lex i don't sandbag much

kinda works in my server

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

only avrora is full of sandbaggers?

[modest elbow]

we do have sandbaggers here too, though i haven't seen anybody in lex end season with 2600+ points

[shy hazel]

avrora is more competitive than any server

evem vs cn jp

[finite valve]

just the fact that only avrora got 2k6+ at end of season is enough to tell you lol

jp cn give 0 shit about pvp

[pearl nimbus]

Avrora is the server of champions....who are metaslaves

[finite valve]

metaslaves =/= no lifers

[pearl nimbus]

tbf I'm a metaslave too

[zenith tundra]

my dead list is not as dead as i thought nice

got a +3 too even better

[hybrid tendon]

avrora is full of trihards

everyone sandbagging

[coral wren]

i already lost 5 attempts this season

dont even know how

[hybrid tendon]

not reset

[coral wren]

i still dont know why im at 5/10 now

i gotta reset game i guess

[zenith tundra]

u need to relogin for attempts over 5 to be displayed after a reset

also im starting to see people putting amagi top on defense

interesting

in amkaga

[sour oasis]

I do it as a handicap

Also.. Why are some icons small?

The choice of 4 opponents, some have big rank icons (commander, captain) and some have small ones?

[zenith tundra]

i just noticed it

dont really know why tbh

[sour oasis]

Well at least it isn't a glitch on my phone

[modern tree]

I stopped asking questions about that one ages ago. It didn't really seem to follow any pattern

It seems to just be a thing that happens, even tho it surely is meant to have a function

[sour oasis]

[leaden sequoia]

do you have 1st and 3rd opponent with small icons, while 2nd and 4th with big?

[zenith tundra]

i do

[leaden sequoia]

then I assume that's a weird UI design choice

[zenith tundra]

i hope we get ui 2 soon

[finite valve]

JP don't even have it

doubt we going to have it anytime soon

also i am more interesting in PR 2 then UI 2

[zenith tundra]

more way too much farm...

[finite valve]

there is an off chance of more kraut ship

[zenith tundra]

if we catch up with jp and that will happen with w12 and research well get ui2 at the same time with jp

[finite valve]

and i am a suckers for more edgde

[wind orbit]

So, I'm at 765 pts, 5/10 before reset, first on my server is at 905... Does that mean I accidentally lost some tries after a reset? or am I just bad at ranking? When I checked my score two days ago I was supposed to be in the top 10 after using my 5 tries

[zenith tundra]

most likely u missed some attempts i had 858 before reset with 5/10

[modern tree]

I am at 847 at 10/10 right now so I am afraid you dropped like 5 games somewhere

[wind orbit]

Damn it, I maybe fell asleep waiting for the 3AM reset. I wish we had EU servers.

[coral wren]

so weak.

are u even real gamer. falling asleep before 3am

[split socket]

sleep > pts :x

[livid fractal]

859 for me 10/10

[modern tree]

I am CET, I sleep like human and I can assure you that getting top 3 at the end of season this way is not that difficult, depending on the server you play

[coral wren]

😮 I am 845. damn I need to get more bonus points

[split socket]

^

I've consistently ranked up to top 10 end of season but it does take some effort (CET as well)

[modern tree]

just play down to 5/10 before sleeping and play them before 9am because you have to get to work

if you dont have a job it should be even easier

[split socket]

life gets in the way sometime

[livid fractal]

Attacking during work

[modern tree]

I mean, I have a day job that makes me deposit my phone for the duration of it. I think if I can do it, anyone can

[split socket]

it's not hard, but still some effort and proper planning are required

the times that I've missed attacks are always when I had been way too busy irl and coming home just too tired to even open AL

[wind orbit]

I could go 0/10 before going to bed, but that means missing a lot of bonus points. Or maybe I could pvp while driving to work

[modern tree]

you should probably cut your losses if your choice is driving while tired or driving while playing a phone game

[coral wren]

Does this work?

I cant see any blue aura on the ships in combat

I think cus of jintsuu red aura

The pin says all ships have double hp. Does it double the base hp or current hp

[modern tree]

you can just play like half a game and see if jintsuu/aurora gettinng hit have the skill vfx, but it should work without issues

[coral wren]

I just replaced aurora and jintsu and test. Laffey had blue aura

I guess it works xd

Does it proc on hit? Or does it proc At start of fight

I dont think I have ever seen a proc when they get hit. Even in pve

[modern tree]

it procs on hit, it does the glow blue thing effect thingie when it procs, its hard to miss, actually

[coral wren]

A bubble with glow?

[modern tree]

yep

[coral wren]

Ok gonna check

This is weird. I dont see them glow nor any bubbles

[modern tree]

let me check

[coral wren]

I used 2Dd without any self buffs and they pulsed with blue aura and proced bubbles when hit like a skill is proccedx

But then I switched to jintsu and aurora There is no blue pulse or any bubbles

Could it be that it only counts base hp and not total hp

[modern tree]

it counts items in pve no issue, I have boosted her over CA HP pools with double toolboxes when farming

[coral wren]

Oh

Hmm

[velvet fossil]

Are you talking about sheff’s blue skill?

[coral wren]

Yea

Or could it be that once her hp is lower than others. The buff goes away?

This is so weird

[modern tree]

nah, only the "base" (her normal HP and any bonuses she gets) HP counts like Illu and Akashi

I am gonna test it as soon as this boss stops not dying

[coral wren]

Lol oki

[warm saffron]

Is sirius survivalbility any good?

considering a sirius, aurora and ayanami front line w/ amakaga

[coral wren]

I srsly feel it has somethkng to do with pvp double hp.

[modern tree]

nah

it works fine

like

[coral wren]

I tried with naked helena and jesus. Both have 3.2k hp which is higher than sheffs base hp which is 2.4k atm. And now neither gets the buff

[modern tree]

the ships are glowing so hard its hard to see the sprites

[leaden sequoia]

try to record and watch frame by frame

[coral wren]

I mean u cant even see any blue pulse on helan and hesus

[modern tree]

this works

[coral wren]

And they have no selfbuffs so nothing is hindering the blue pulse from sheffs buff

[modern tree]

I am really not sure what to tell you

[coral wren]

Is sirius base hp higher than sheffs?

[modern tree]

yes

[coral wren]

Wth then

[modern tree]

3343 vs 3339 atm

[coral wren]

My buff is also lvl 10. I dont see how it wont even proc at all.

[modern tree]

just in case its start of battle proc in pvp for some reason I tried 3 more times and every single one had both aurora and sirius get the procs when hit

[coral wren]

So confused

Same. I tried atleast 15 times by now

[modern tree]

and I think I would never be lucky enough to get 0.00006 chance or something stupid like that

[coral wren]

No glow no proc

[leaden sequoia]

3343 and 3339 are very close, Roon might want to test with ships whose HP are that close to Sheff's base HP too, cause there's a possibility of rounding error somewhere

[modern tree]

okay, let me pull up some CA ass

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, that should do too 🤔

[coral wren]

I just tested with a 86 sirius and she got buff

But not jesus

[leaden sequoia]

HP?

[coral wren]

2534

Sheff has 3471. And jesus has 3215

So it cant be becus base is higher. Cus then sirius wouldnt get it either

[modern tree]

this woks for both CAs

[coral wren]

:/

I dont know wtf is wrong with my sheff

[modern tree]

apparently my sheff is amazing and every other sheff sucks

[leaden sequoia]

being inconsistent on Roon's side, while Daxam's Sheff is predictably good

[coral wren]

No its not even inconsistant. Its not even active in my case

[leaden sequoia]

well, inconsistent regarding to how many HP is too much for Sheff's skill to proc

[modern tree]

I will record what I see, give me a moment

[coral wren]

Aurora jesus sheff in pve. Works. Both gets buff

Glows blue etc

Very same ships in pve and pvp

I have restarted countless times

Its something with the hp number in pvp that makes my sheff not proccing

[leaden sequoia]

huh, Sheff doesn't glow red in PvP either

[coral wren]

It does.

But there are no blue

On other 2

[leaden sequoia]

ah, I guess that's just a frame between glowing pulses

[coral wren]

Yeah. :/

Do we know how the double hp works in pvp.

[modern tree]

but

if its broken

why does it work for me flawlessly no matter what I do

[coral wren]

Urs are closer in lvl tho

[leaden sequoia]

inb4 Washington's Sheff has shit proc code while Sandy's is perfectly OK

[coral wren]

Probly higher stats something

[zenith tundra]

when i used sheff it always worked even with small hp differences

[coral wren]

In pvp?

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[coral wren]

In pve its no problem at all

I will just assume its something with pvps hp rounding

[modern tree]

you can see the glow under the number spam

[coral wren]

Yeah

U see ur sirius is atleast glowing.

That dosnt happen to my jesus and aurora

Even tho it should since I confirmed it works in pve

[modern tree]

and I have been using sheff in pve since she was lvl 40 and I was testing her skill along the way, when she was 60ish I ran her with lvl100 Deutschland to farm C3 and her skill worked on her, lvl difference shouldnt matter

[coral wren]

Its not lvl. Its something with how the hp are calculated somehow.

Mlb will give her more hp snd maybe the pvp will somehow round it up hhigher than others

Ty daxam for helping me

I will just llv her up and test again then

We dont exactly have any info on how the math is done with pvp

[modern tree]

I have tested difference of base HP, very little differences between total hp, and just plain garbage hp ship along the way, it worked in every single case. I am not sure what is the issue, but its nothing about calculating hp in pvp since it works exactly as expected. If you have any other cases that you'd like me to test, I am up for it since I am just grinding 7-2 out of boredom while waiting for w11 so I have some god damn ships to farm

I wish all my ships were not at love status so I could check if affinity is multiplied properly

[coral wren]

That could be something too. My ships are oathed while sheff is not

[modern tree]

I will test 2 oaths

need a moment to set it up

[coral wren]

Oki

[modern tree]

this would be easier if I wasnt oathing mostly destroyers

[vague token]

hmm, maybe i should try ryuusei on sirius boosted hiryuu now

[modern tree]

okay so according to my math and testing, oaths do fuck with it

[vague token]

o.o

[modern tree]

if I reverse engineered the formula properly

[vague token]

that looks right to me

[modern tree]

So this is what I tested

in pve it works

and it doesnt work anymore

[leaden sequoia]

so the first part is what is shown as white HP in ship info page, if I understood correctly

[modern tree]

no

because the stats displayed are shown multiplied

[vague token]

oh the hp is shown multiplied with the gear factored in huh

[modern tree]

you have to divide the number by the 1+affection multiplier to get the base

[leaden sequoia]

yes, that's why I said the whole first part, not just base HP

this: [ships base, no affection HP]x(affection multiplier) = white HP in ship info page

[modern tree]

so belfast shows base hp of 3745 on her page, but her true base hp is 3344

[leaden sequoia]

well, divived by 2 cause pvp

[modern tree]

and the rest is +12% from oath

[leaden sequoia]

yep

[modern tree]

so the pvp multiplies the true base hp and then adds oath bonus instead of applying it twice

so the numbers get fucky

[vague token]

so it's actually just 2.12 multiplier

not 2 * 1.12

?

[modern tree]

if you multiply the true base hp, yes

maybe

I am actually bad at math

[vague token]

i mean, that's consistent with how the game works though

additives

not multiplicative

you just combine all the multipliers first

[leaden sequoia]

then I read the formula wrong

[vague token]

since the HP is +100% for pvp and +12% for oath

you get +112%

if you actually multiplied everything instead you'd get like

2.24?

[modern tree]

I mean, maybe I wrote it down wrong

I tend to calculate properly and make a mess of it

[leaden sequoia]

ok, I'd write it like this, just to be clear:
(ships base, no affection HP)x(affection multiplier + 1) + (gear hp)x2

[zenith tundra]

by logic if the hp is displayed wrong and it's higher in pvp then it should be then it's 2.24 multiplier instead of 2.12

[modern tree]

the gist of it is that the HP shown on the stat page is already multiplied by the oath, so the white number at 200 affection will show 1.12 of base hp

[leaden sequoia]

but yeah, the 2.12 part is clear now

[coral wren]

oh damn daxam. I see

[vague token]

yeah you're losing 12% more hp basically

or w/e

[modern tree]

in the end

its quite fringe

because if I equipped 100 hp more on sheff it would cover it

[vague token]

well yeah, 12% of 3500 isnt a ton of hp

[modern tree]

126 to be exact

[vague token]

well, might be annoying for warspite lol

who has like 8k after retro

xD

you'd lose like 1k hp lol

[modern tree]

I am glad it's just weird (according to humans, not machines) math and not a bug with the skill cuz cases in which it doesnt work even tho it looks like it should will be rather rare, and Roons case should clear itself up when sheff levels a bit or gets more HP from other sources (like LB)

[zenith tundra]

i'm trying with wichita 100 affection that has 3297 hp base with sheffield 99 affection 3277 hp and if wichita were to lose hp because of affection sheffield skill should activate

but it doesn't

wichite base hp should be 3110 and with a 2.06 bonus it's 6407 while sheffield base should be 3181 with 2.03 bonus it's 6458

[modern tree]

its 6594 vs 6554

[zenith tundra]

3297/1.06=3110

[modern tree]

2.06 and 2.03 is not exactly right

[zenith tundra]

3110x2.06=6407

[vague token]

wichita shows 3297 on wiki

[zenith tundra]

what are the modifier then

[leaden sequoia]

wiki shows stats on 100 affection at level 100

stats on 50 affection at level 1

[vague token]

oh what

i thought it was base with 0 affection

_>

or w/e no bonus

reee

[zenith tundra]

even with a +24 hp from cammo +1 that would put sheffield at +4 hp over wichita it still doesn't activate in pvp

it does work in pve

[modern tree]

I have made a mistake somewhere

[zenith tundra]

it makes no sense tbh i'm wondering if it's not a bug

[leaden sequoia]

if you're referring to ZackFairX's numbers it looks like you doubled HPs with affection multipliers

contrary to your formula

[modern tree]

yeah

I know

I have made a mistake somewhere

[zenith tundra]

+2 cammo doesn't work +6 works

[modern tree]

like I said

[zenith tundra]

it takes a +5 cammo for the buff to activate

+4 doesn't work

somewhere in between 36-40 extra hp from equip is where sheffield gets more hp then wichita

according to daxam's its 6594 vs 6554 it would seem like equip doesn't get 2x hp

but they would have same hp so i don't really know

it would be interesting to try same hp in pve to see if it works or not

[modern tree]

equipment has to be multiplied in some way

[zenith tundra]

if it activates in pve

it could very well be that no multiplier for equip in pvp

it does

[modern tree]

I mean, if equip hp didnt multiply then my 2 toolbox sheff wouldnt have more hp than torp bulge belfast, but she does

[zenith tundra]

then some kind of weird formula makes that 37-40 hp from equipment activate sheff skill in pvp

[modern tree]

I am too tired to think about it, I am making dumb mistakes

[odd schooner]

Hou +12 base now

[zenith tundra]

yep

[modern tree]

in the end, the difference seems to be made by pvp math not working exactly like we expect it to in any way, but the end result is really close to what we would expect, and cases in which it wont work are really fringe

[zenith tundra]

wonder if we could report it as a bug or something

[modern tree]

I would, if I knew what I am reporting. Our "its just 2x health" might be completely wrong

[zenith tundra]

it's not that tho

same ships same equips

[modern tree]

if we knew the formula so we can actually test it, it would be neat

[zenith tundra]

no buff in pvp but pve

it takes a +5 cammo for buff to work in pvp

while a +0 makes it work in pve

either we can ask why is that or at least get a possible fix

it is pretty much a bug in the end because something works as intended in 1 case and doesn't in the other

[modern tree]

If you feel that you have gathered enough data for a report then it probably wont hurt to put it on the belfast bot, but considering its 40 hp margin, I am unsure if anyone would bother looking at whatever code turns this into spaghetti and try to fix it

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that it affects other viable things too tho

this is just an example

[modern tree]

name one

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/553320195721265162/image0.png

it all started here right

and it doesn't work for no reason

[modern tree]

thats fringe, it will stop being a problem once you lb sheff

[zenith tundra]

it still doesn't make sense for it to not work unless u have high difference in hp when it's supposed to work with same hp too

[modern tree]

the fact that we dont understand where it gets fucky doesnt mean it is an actual issue and the margin of error seems to be no more than 150 hp, and just for pvp

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna report it whatever happens happens

[modern tree]

I kinda lost faith in bug reporting after I scrolled through "not a bug" tag on trello, since sheff missing 10 lines on Cloak & Dagger skin is apparently also not a bug

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

xD I feel bad for starting all this. u guys been awesome at working out maths for this :3. I will just do as Daxam said and lb her and see how it goes

[zenith tundra]

i posted it let's see what happens

[shy hazel]

proves that pvp need super maths

[zenith tundra]

that's because they make things too complicated

[odd schooner]

10 lines

Ok not buying

[modern tree]

rip

I like the skin a lot, I would just like it more if they included the lines she has on JP with it, the ones that you can chec out on the wiki, the ones that I reported missing and the trello card was moved to "not a bug", I might be a little upset

[odd schooner]

My innerself is questioning it too tbh

Since default skin is already nice

[zenith tundra]

guess we get subpar stuff in en

[odd schooner]

The maid abuse

[zenith tundra]

https://trello.com/c/h6d8n8PO/518-sheffield-skill-bug-in-exercises

Trello

sheffield skill bug in exercises

User Info: 67184584
System Info: xiaomi redmi note 5 android 8.1
Frequency: Guaranteed. It always happens no matter what
Perceived Severity: Medium issue that noticeably affects the game experience but can be ignored (e.g., animations not playing correctly)
How to Reproduce: ...

Labels

High, Android

let's see what happens

[odd schooner]

I guess sheff will be that one exception of having default skin on def fleet

[random vault]

meido class superior

[zenith tundra]

i would be more curious on how hp is calculated in pvp then an actual fix

[modern tree]

they still have not fixed amagi barrage and it is just swapping the spawn points of the AP projectiles around, so they form an X like they are supposed to, instead of a U thing that it became, pvp specific fixes might not be super high priority

[zenith tundra]

4th bonus of this reset

[ionic magnet]

i only got +4 this reset

[odd schooner]

23 minutes before reset camping again

[hybrid obsidian]

i got no bonus

[vague token]

oof

[modest scarab]

Fire Suppresor for backline?

[zenith tundra]

not really used in pvp. for bb/c u want hit because u fight high evasion ships, evasion because it helps them being alive and fp because more damage is better. for cv catapult oil tank is pretty much standard

have necrosis in my list 69 pts away

kinda curious if i get +2 or +1

got a +2 interesting

[shy hazel]

i feel like simply speaking

plus 2 is 70 point gap

x2 of 35 which is for 1

lol

[zenith tundra]

it seems the gap needed for bonuses is smaller before 1050 pts

last season someone got +1 from 34 pts difference before 1050

that's even more interesting. most likely at least 32 should be +1 if not even less

at current rank

[split socket]

It'll be interesting if ppl could work together and post their pts results after fighting anyone in top 100 with the pts difference recorded. If we assume that for every extra pts received is a multiplier of the base threshold, then we can quite easily deduce the required pts for each rank

[zenith tundra]

i think point linearity is the same for every rank, i don't think it would be a curve for lower ranks and linear only for high ranks

[split socket]

I mean the threshholds for extra pts are lower for fights prior to 1050 pts

[zenith tundra]

if rank before commodore is at least 3 difference less u can expect quite low scores needed for starting ranks

[split socket]

I don't understand what you mean :/

[zenith tundra]

i meant from commodore afterwards is 35 the current rank should be at least 32 if not even less

[split socket]

yea I agree on that :p

[zenith tundra]

u can expect like 1st rank to have a low score difference needed

[split socket]

basically if this theory is correct, we can figure out the threshholds for even the lower ranks like season start if u luck out and get someone in ur list at top 100

[zenith tundra]

it's so hard tho on avrora

maybe on servers with less competition it would be easier

[split socket]

eh, i dont think servers would matter

since u just compare extra pts gained and pts difference

the hard part is getting the right person to hit top 100

[zenith tundra]

less player rushing more chances to get top 100 in list

it would be interesting if u could do it asap at the beginning

[split socket]

for you yea, but this method is based on u hanging around in the lower ranks

so it doesn't really matter

[zenith tundra]

i mean the goal would be to have a rusher in ur list that is top 100 and used all his attempts

[split socket]

anyhow, I just did a 79 pts fight and gained +3 pts 😮

[zenith tundra]

rly....

[split socket]

if it's really linear, then the threshhold is really low

I was at 909 pts against 988

[zenith tundra]

it would be 26 but that's way too low

[split socket]

base pts are at 12 and I got 15 from the fight

🤔 not linear...? or am I missing smth

[zenith tundra]

let's see if i can get any top 100 after rushing my last 3 attempts this reset

i hate avrora... too many people stacked up

i got rank 83 in my list at 227 rank but only 16 pts difference

to try a 26 difference i would need top 40

[split socket]

it's just interesting trying to figure out how the rankings in this game works lol

there are still a lot shrouded in mystery

[zenith tundra]

and if i use 1 more i need top 1 to try that

[vague token]

it's not so much a ranking system as it is a farm system ;)

[subtle whale]

how good is sendai

🤔

[zenith tundra]

sendai should be a good torp ship to use with akaga

more useful with nakaga then amakaga imo but since i only played on en i dont have experience with that

[vague token]

sendai is only REALLY important when CAs get beefy evade

i think?

cause she's a fox cl so she gets like what

2.5k hp at 100?

but no damage reduction skill like jintsuu

so she's basically just as squishy as aurora xD

[idle python]

iirc sendai was somewhat used in jp before nagato was out, but for CN sendai was nowhere to be seen until nakaga since wasd dominated for cn at that time

[vague token]

ah

[edgy jetty]

SENDAI FARM > SENDAI PVP

[vague token]

o.O

[edgy jetty]

SENDAI FARM > SENDAI PVP

[odd schooner]

[modest elbow]

sendai farm is bofors farm

[ionic magnet]

perfect i only have 1 bofor all this time

[shy hazel]

purebu

[odd schooner]

Oh the bofors

Gib staag

[vague token]

what is staag from again

[odd schooner]

Pr

[vague token]

oh xD

[odd schooner]

Research

[vague token]

dork 30k until 100 =D

[hybrid tendon]

Last fox standing

Amagi not proccing 2 times in a row

[ionic magnet]

good good

real shikikans never resets

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

u got balls

[odd schooner]

Oh boi i dozed off

But before reset

[vague token]

crisis averted

[odd schooner]

I felt the heat

Brownout

[vague token]

oof

[odd schooner]

Okay no one moved

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

Someone's moving

[vague token]

ill be doing a few before bed

[subtle whale]

wow collabing with al jp again

maybe we gonna get pr too prob not

[coral wren]

[spare iron]

Hi

[coral wren]

hi

[spare iron]

Say... would it better to make a weak defense fleet so others could win or make a strong fleet?

[odd schooner]

Preference - either you want to have another player farm exp, flex your fleet or make their life a bit harder by forcing them to reset or wait longer.

[coral wren]

I generally don't mind.. but I hate getting 10k+ enemies and can't really fight them cuz I don't want to bother putting optimal equips on my pvp fleet ; - ;

[real notch]

what i like to do is have a weak fleet for the beginning of the season

then switch to a strong one when u start getting 12-14 points per game

[coral wren]

but if you're aiming for top 100, then it might be better if you use stronker defence fleet ;3

[real notch]

it's most useful to have a strong defense when you're top 100

[coral wren]

yes ;3

[odd schooner]

The most important use of defense is probably during admiral of the navy days (3 days before season ends). The plan is to at least stall a few of the admirals in taking the top 10 spot for AOTN by placing a stronger defense and let yourself in to qualify for 2k merits

[shy hazel]

for sandbaggers

rush doesnt matter

if u dont lose and u sandbag properly

top 10 is easy to get

[real notch]

ye

there's a lot of ways that you can sandbag

some people camp at 10/10 for the majority of the season

[shy hazel]

like us

[real notch]

and just rush once when aotn is available

[shy hazel]

and 95% of the tryharders in here

top 10 or quit the game\

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

i used to do that but i actually try to stay top 10 nowadays

[coral wren]

wait, do you wait for 10/10 tries and going all out?

[real notch]

so i hover around 2/10 or 3/10

[coral wren]

!

[shy hazel]

i always 5/10 before any reset

[real notch]

since i'm tryina farm dat yung clout

[shy hazel]

only 5 per reset

[coral wren]

I see

[real notch]

but otherwise if u don't care about the clout just stay 10/10

[shy hazel]

until the very last season end reset

[real notch]

since i can show off a minor-rare maxed wasda fleet and still be semi-meta

[odd schooner]

10/10 usually nets you the big ones especially when you missed 1 match or just lucky on picking players

[livid fractal]

No one's moving, I think I got a bunch of NA players in my lobby

[real notch]

did somene mention NA player

[livid fractal]

[edgy jetty]

anyone can give a good equipment build for Aurora PVP ?

[ionic magnet]

its the usual belgun-quad mag torps-bofor/ufo-toolkit/pearl-bulge

[pearl nimbus]

yep

[edgy jetty]

any torpedo could work?

[pearl nimbus]

Although you don't have to use mags

[edgy jetty]

i only have 4 quad magnetic

[pearl nimbus]

yeah, they work fine

[ionic magnet]

quad mag torps should be best cos she dies faster than anyone else

[edgy jetty]

never really hard those THicc NOT magnetic torpedo LOL

[ionic magnet]

but yea quint should do fine also

oh quad 610?

well if you got no mag torps then no choice xD

[real notch]

magtorps over others

[edgy jetty]

what build if i will go standard Auro+aya+jint ?

tank or dmg ?

[real notch]

those are not tank ships

but i think you mean aux build?

[edgy jetty]

yeah

[real notch]

there are no offense auxs beside rainbow dildo

[pearl nimbus]

and you don't want that on Aurora anyways

[real notch]

and in that comp jintsuu or ayanami should have it

[ionic magnet]

toolkit/bulge on jint/aurora and dildo/toolkit on aya

if you have rainbow dildo, that is

[edgy jetty]

i don't have rainbo dil but i do have all AUX + 10 so i can swap toolkit to bludge

but would go for Aya Dildo, Aurora Tears + Toolkit & Jintsu Beaver + Loader

[odd schooner]

You could actually get one now if you didn't traded in 381mm

[pearl nimbus]

But everyone should be going for 381

[edgy jetty]

who's optimal to hold those Gold items such as Beaver & tears ?

[real notch]

depends on overall comp

[pearl nimbus]

On Amakaga comps?

Amagi or Jintsuu for Beaver

[odd schooner]

Or middle slot

[pearl nimbus]

Tears on Jintsuu or Aurora.

[odd schooner]

Actually amagi with sg is better imo

[edgy jetty]

Typical INJ Vanguard + WASDE for Main Fleet

[pearl nimbus]

true

Idk, I don't even run Beaver on my comp

[odd schooner]

My beaver is constantly on phoenix these days

[pearl nimbus]

I guess I could on Juneau?

But like....box+bulge = good

[real notch]

in the one you just mentioned, i would put tear on aurora and badge on amagi

[ionic magnet]

i just put beaver on amagi and pearl on front vanguard

[odd schooner]

What i actually did is slap Belfast with pearl cause I use her on both offense and defense

Maybe I'll slap her with beaver too if i find sheff effective

[pearl nimbus]

Beaver on Sheff doesn't sound too bad

[odd schooner]

No

On Belfast

[pearl nimbus]

but but....bulge

[clear cloud]

sheff on pvp??

[real notch]

i don't use aurora anymore

[odd schooner]

Put her back and put jints front

[real notch]

since i'm doing this wasda test

but nobody's fought me yet

[zenith tundra]

sheffield skill hp threshold is calculated at the beginning of the battle so she works just fine in pvp

[odd schooner]

Ye

And proc rate is high

From what i read

30%

[zenith tundra]

it's pretty high considering that u get attacked a lot

[odd schooner]

I was raising ping ning sirius doy skills so my sheff blue skill is still at 5

She's 99 now tho

[zenith tundra]

i leveled up both sirius and sheffield skills together and my sheffield made it to 100 before sirius

[odd schooner]

I'm still curious if shiny sheff is still applied even if she sinks

[real notch]

btw looking at jintsuu and ayanami

they have base torp stat of 379 and 529 respectively

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra let me guess, torp stat difference

[real notch]

but jintsuu has 180% torp efficiency % to ayanami's 165%

so say you stacked rainbow dildo on ayanami or jintsuu

the difference in dmg should not be large

i think if someone did the calcs it should prove it

[zenith tundra]

still aya supernatural is so broken

[real notch]

ye but for opening torps tho

[edgy jetty]

i don't have Kaga so i can't do amagi Line UP TT_TT

bit i got WASDE alteast

[real notch]

nice lol

[zenith tundra]

use beaver in sd flagship if are still wondering about that

[edgy jetty]

pretty Lazy to farm at #-4 Hell

3-4 Hell, would prever 11-4 Hell Now haha

[zenith tundra]

not gonna bother with columbia tbh

[odd schooner]

So what happens if you don't use aya at all

[ionic magnet]

you win

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

i don't even use oxy in pvp at all

[ionic magnet]

just give aya the dildo cos she will die as fast even with toolkit anyway i guess

[odd schooner]

Ye i think I've seen people use ayanami as front vg

Feels madmax man

[real notch]

imo i don't like ayanami LUL

she's too inconsistent

[edgy jetty]

what gun is it again ? the one in core data shop ?

[real notch]

misses way too often xd

[zenith tundra]

381 is core data one

[edgy jetty]

is it a good gun ?

[zenith tundra]

it's the fastest good gun u can get

pretty much amazing on barrage bbs

[edgy jetty]

ohh, but Violet 481 get higher damge output ?

[zenith tundra]

which gun do u mean because there are no 481mm guns for bbs

[edgy jetty]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

the 410 has higher shell dmg but u would still pick a faster gun for barrages bbs

[edgy jetty]

[ionic magnet]

faster cd is too good in pvp especially against mirrors

[zenith tundra]

if u want dmg u usually go for 406mm

[pearl nimbus]

Can we call the 381 the "Amagi gun"

[zenith tundra]

people in help would just say "amagi has high firepower she uses 410 because her barrage is worse then hood" or something like that

[leaden sequoia]

I guess that's because in PvE it's good to depend less on RNG for consistency when farming

The fact that PvE maps spend oil when entering them also favors consistency so as you don't waste the oil you've already spent

In PvP, you can afford RNGey fast barrages thanks to 0 oil entry and infinite resets

[zenith tundra]

to put it simple i see no reason why u would use it on hood and not or amagi. even if amagi can still hit with normal shots u don't use her for that and for consistency u would use 410 on hood too

[odd schooner]

I'd still pick fast gun at this point on EN pvp

Where quickdraw screws you up

Like stella

Man, that was still a really bad rng

Oh right Stella's case were planes

Maybe i should take screenies again

Well in pvp, 2nd round of shell usually kills off the other

If it didn't succeed on 1st round

[finite valve]

trump just change his def back to wasd

[shy hazel]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

🖕 dont remind me

[finite valve]

[strange shuttle]

What main gun should she be using?

[ionic magnet]

belgun (triple 155mm) or tbtsk

those aux tho

shes much better with toolkit + bulge considering her base hp is too low

[shy hazel]

remember

this is a boy's game

so anything with bulge

is op

[strange shuttle]

wat

yer a bulge

pp?

[modern tree]

Real mans conversation

[zenith tundra]

in jintsuu meta u want torpedo bulge on anything that can equip it in vg

[modern tree]

But Aurora has acceptable evasion with really trash hp so you should focus on boosting the latter

And yeah, torps are kind of the only vg meme that is worth anything so gotta tech for it

[coral wren]

would hiryuu work in current meta? for stalling

[odd schooner]

Tested a few, nah

More times a cv melts first AT

That's why wasdE fails more in stalling

[coral wren]

I see

are the bunnies worth lvling up for when kai comes tho?

[odd schooner]

They're fine

[coral wren]

cus I just oathed hiryuu. xd I am starting to regret

[shy hazel]

so 25 for +1

[zenith tundra]

well 79 gives +3 and 50 gives +2. now all we need is a 25 +1

hiryuu will be an option in en once nagato comes with amagi. her low hp makes her way to squshy but still better then a lot of other carriers due to the extra launch. also the dmg will be toned down a bit with higher cap and maybe she won't die in 1 attack pre kai

[shy hazel]

we need al these calculations

so we can guess if we're gonna get +4 early rounds

[zenith tundra]

i wish i had more people top 100 in my list so i can try different gaps (and ofc for the extra bonuses )

[pallid ember]

is there any backline in EN rn that can beat amakaga

[shy hazel]

amakaga

mirror

wasda can,work

but with risks

[empty sinew]

hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

amakaga on def is not that great.

[hot creek]

well it shuts down meme fleets if anything

[odd schooner]

Still deadly ye

Less meme pvp ez and makes people use their head

[zenith tundra]

its not a bigger wall then wasd was in its meta

losing with bad comps vs meta comps is pretty normal

[odd schooner]

You can screw up wasd with Eldridge and your own enty iirc

Amakaga forces you to flip whole main fleet

[zenith tundra]

eldridge was such a troll

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

got 2 sandbaggers in my list... rip

[odd schooner]

Looks so good but in reality, it's 59 points gap

[modern tree]

You can beat amakaga with Ark Dork Hood. You can probably beat it with a lot of lineups, it might just take more time for some

[odd schooner]

Man, if i really screw this season up I'll go mad

[zenith tundra]

u should get a +2

from that

[odd schooner]

Ye I did

[zenith tundra]

more then enough then

this is cancer

welcome to avrora

outside of several attempts behind end season

making aotn an actual rush

[modern tree]

Excuse me, do you realize where you are?

[hot creek]

shipgrills is srs business m8

[coral wren]

channel ban that vanillaxag

[modern tree]

Would running Juneau with Sheff even make sense? You do want her to sink, but I guess you could then make her tank the torps for your vg to a degree. I am tempted to try HMS again because Stockholm syndrome

[zenith tundra]

when i tried hms with sheffield it make my last noticeably longer then with leander. not sure if later heal would be always worth since u can lose qe quite easily. want to do some more tests on it because i finally have sheffield at 100

[modern tree]

Never ever had issues keeping qe alive vs Amakaga. Biggest problem is BB damage being unreliable and sometimes eating all plunging shells from Amagi barrage together with her gun is a little much for vg. If they live longer then it's already an improvement

[odd schooner]

Ye was thinking if making front live long would take a toll to main fleet

I think that's how suicide strat wasd was born

[hybrid tendon]

still

for a 5 minutes gensui rush on saturday

amakaga is the best

right now

6s barrage meme

[modern tree]

why rush if you can sandbag to top 10 at the end of season

[split socket]

[hybrid tendon]

I always rush to

get the early gensui

post screenshot on #pvp

[coral wren]

is that a male roon on ur pfp

nvm not same headpiece

[hybrid tendon]

no its a mech pilot

whos in agony

[coral wren]

Sounds hot

the same agony when I had 3 entries and decided to wait untill 10mins before reset to use them and then forgot about it

[hybrid tendon]

right before wc update

[split socket]

headchomp ptsd intensifies

[hybrid tendon]

i had 3 entries

and i was like

trying to do those

in 4 minutes

failed the last one when update hit

[zenith tundra]

got rid of the 3 sanbaggers in my list wiath a +1 and 10mins later already got a +2. stupid rng

[primal wing]

Thanks for the help the other night, it really helped out!

[hybrid obsidian]

all the names i dont regconize

[primal wing]

Washington

[hybrid obsidian]

oh

[coral wren]

U guys trapped this guy...

[zenith tundra]

this weekend is already full of sanbaggers. i cannot escape them

[coral wren]

he is pushing rank 1 already lul

[zenith tundra]

i did that too when i started sandbagging. its like a trophy

[coral wren]

I am still waiting for the season where I can get rng god blessing and get tons of bonus. not gonna try for end season rank 1 with only 2 bonus wins per reset

[zenith tundra]

the amount of sanbagging needed for 1st place on avrora is insane. i wonder if u can even sleep at all to reach it

[coral wren]

get someone else to play whiel u sleep

EXTREME TRYHARD

[zenith tundra]

i was waking up in the middle of the night and stay awake for 1hr to get bonuses and was still 10pts behind