pvp

[split socket]

2 days

[vague token]

so, would it be better if shell was in next month

or for another 381 to show

hmmmm

[real notch]

shell

yeah given your fighters, i'd probably use a purple hellcat atm

unless if you have purple F4U corsair

[split socket]

shell and 381mm would be nice, so ppl who missed the first 381 can get it

[finite valve]

i rather wait for jean to get the shell tbh

going to spam 381 since they going to remove it soon

comp > shell

[split socket]

so shells are going to stay in core shop?

[vague token]

oh right they move it to research or w/e?

[finite valve]

yes

only 381 got remove

[vague token]

i feel like amagi is fine with the 406 though

it's already fast enough

kinda thing

like shaving more time doesnt net you any new kills

compared to blowing things up with a 406

since 4 ijn makes you fast enough as it is

or maybe that's my impression

[finite valve]

same

been using 406 on amagi since day 1

[vague token]

i use 410 cause i dont have 4 ijn so i could use it probably xD

[finite valve]

a 1s delay vs 410 is not really that much of a diff

[vague token]

or just toss it on hood anyways

cause im using that ap gold gun atm

lol

[vague token]

i use her flank because if she's mid she dies before shooting a second time xD

and her offense barrage doesnt do as much as defense anyways >_>

yeah

sometimes defense amagi just rips through her opposite, sometimes it doesnt xD

her barrage is so weird

[ionic magnet]

isnt twin 127 better on amagi

[vague token]

sometimes you just want to blow things up with 500 fp

xD

doesnt mean it's good

;)

[modern tree]

only if you expect to use it to shoot stuff

belgun is better if you never see opponents vg at your backline cuz its just more stats to shooty

[shy hazel]

real stats vs show off stats

[modern tree]

127mm has the same fleet power as belgun

I checked

[vague token]

it just shuffles it 25/20

instead of 45

100mm is 15/30 i think

xD

we need that frenchy 150mm single DD gun for 45 fp lol

err 138

oh wait it's 35

ree it skimps out

[real notch]

alright guys

question

[ionic magnet]

shooting vanguards is one thing

[real notch]

jintsuu + aurora + BELFAST
or
jintsuu + aurora + JUNEAU

[ionic magnet]

but isnt the additional AA better on amagi

[real notch]

i know people might be pushed to thinking belfast, but never underestimate the power of juneau in defense fleets

[ionic magnet]

whats your backline

[real notch]

typical amakaga

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

I think it's Belfast unless you do not expect your frontline to live long enough to get to second fox strike, then you run Juneau

so on defense its probably always Juneau lmao

[real notch]

but then again, running no belfast against twinfox meta is suicide lol

[ionic magnet]

on defense id pick juneau

[real notch]

i'd like to have testing evidence if possible but just wanna hear what u guys think

[ionic magnet]

my hardest matches are still amakaga with jintsuu/jun/filler so

[modern tree]

actually, I think in the end, you are forced into Jintsuu and you should probably run Belfast with it because the chance that torps force a reset is probably greater than the chance heal will make a meaningful difference

I have not played mirror a lot tho

[vague token]

if i see jintsuu/juneau i just counter with my own juneau

and it's fine

aurora is more annoying, same with belfast

[ionic magnet]

counter jesus with jesus

[vague token]

xD

god always wins

[modern tree]

maybe I should play a mirror for a bit

[real notch]

yee and there's quite a few maxed amakaga fleets

so it will be good tests

[modern tree]

HMS is cool and all but I am not learning anything I dont already know

[real notch]

more importantly if someone sees me in lobby pls fight me

people don't find me often enough

[modern tree]

it will be easier to find you if you dont drop 20 games

Sadly I am stuck on Sandy

[real notch]

true

[shy hazel]

avrora best

[ionic magnet]

im getting a lot of +10s even with 500-600 rank difference

[shy hazel]

event effect

next season should be better

[shy hazel]

i only get 1 per reset now

[vague token]

whoa, 13.6k belfast/jintsuu/aya

i didnt know fleet power got that high lol

[hot creek]

someone got second rainbow dildow

[vague token]

how?

xD

[hot creek]

hacker

[vague token]

what does max affinity hit anyways

for reference

[hot creek]

what do you mean

[vague token]

max oath/affinity vanguard power

for those 3

xD

[hot creek]

oh idk. Daxam probably knows

I only have Jintsuu oathed

[vague token]

the only ship i have close to max affinity is minne

because i farm with her

xD

oh just noticed leander is a few points shy of 100 affinity

oops

guess she goes back in the farm fleet

[split socket]

@vague token 13511 with proper gears

[vague token]

kk

wonder how he boosted himself to 13.6k lol

[split socket]

might be a beavers, I'll try swap a toolbox for it and see if it reaches 13.6k in a sec

[vague token]

kk

[split socket]

nop, didnt hit 13,6k even with beavers

had to swap out 2x toolbox for beavers and a gold sg radar to get over 13.6k

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

its voodoo

ive used all my reset trying to get bonus

3 hours lapsed still 10/10

guess i gib up

[ionic magnet]

i got another 600 rank difference with +10 only

[zenith tundra]

lucky me

[ionic magnet]

🗡

[zenith tundra]

3rd +1 of this reset lol

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

i usually dont get +1 unless opponent is top 100 or close enough. it seems like a lot of people are around the same score so even with 500 ranks is most unlikely u'll get bonus

[shy hazel]

forme at this point

rank doesnt matter

as long as topleft is top 20

[zenith tundra]

how good is ur score if only top 20

[ionic magnet]

everyone is sandbagging

[pallid ember]

brehs assuming i got no aurora and jintsuu who are the good pvp frontliners in EN rn thanks

[ionic magnet]

juneau belfast aya

hmm who else

whats your backline

[shy hazel]

u wont recommend your waifu?

[ionic magnet]

oh right

you say it

[shy hazel]

glowworm

[ionic magnet]

lmao

thought its sirius

[pallid ember]

i got akaga but no amagi so kinda plan for nagato to pitch in later but for now i run dork/hood/enty

aya is better in pvp than laffey kay?

[shy hazel]

aya is born for pvp

[ionic magnet]

well without jintsuu id say theyre p much equal

[shy hazel]

laffey isnt

[olive thicket]

So can someone explain me sandbagging

[shy hazel]

farming bonuses

by wating others to do pvp first

[ionic magnet]

sirius might be viable with akaga if you dont have those other frontliners

[shy hazel]

then,crushing them

[coral wren]

you wait for ppl in lobby to play all their attempts, and then get that bonus

[olive thicket]

Does it really matter that much? I didn't miss a single attempt, didn't lose once, always fought leftmost and I'm at 6k

[coral wren]

it's easier to do after reset, when some ppl like to spend all their attempts right away

[elder crane]

You get +1 pts per 35 (late season) pts for ppl you fight, rounded down

[ionic magnet]

it matters a lot if you want to get aotn

[olive thicket]

I started this season at rank 3

I know it doesn't matter much

[coral wren]

if you have refreshes, you may get bonus a few times in a row if you get lucky without checking lobby every 30 min-1 hour

[pallid ember]

aight how about helena? i see people run helena juneau belfast i can afford that

[elder crane]

Yep, makes getting top rank a lot easier, though it can still be done with minimal sandbagging

[coral wren]

But i think all 80+ lvl players sandbag

[elder crane]

Hel is fine if you don't have the best options

Make sure your backline has the correct timings to use her skill though, aka mk6 gun preferred, and not with foxes

[coral wren]

So there's no way to get rank 1000 unless I do some fancy sniping?

[ionic magnet]

helena, port kai, fortune kai, leander are good second options

[coral wren]

If only we had free data depending on server about where the majority of 80+ players are from, so you could get bonuses easier. Just adjust your attack time to when they are going to sleep, since most of them tend to spend all 5 attempts right before going to bed

[elder crane]

Rank 1k is easy, it's top 10 that gets prpblematic

[coral wren]

I can't even get 1k and I win all my fights, choosing the left one

[shy hazel]

sandbagging is the future

[elder crane]

... not sure about that, man. But if you're too high rank, left can be not full points

Don't do all your PvP right after resets

I've hit rank 1 on Avrora with 4 missed matches, so it's not that competitive if you time things well

[coral wren]

I am on washington too isn't that easy?

[elder crane]

Not when hitting AoTN, where it matters (>2.2k pts)

[coral wren]

Just trying to get past colonel here

[elder crane]

Basically Friday afternoon and afterwards on 2nd week of PvP season

[coral wren]

washington doesn't have aon yet, only gensui at max

@coral wren what is your fleet power

[elder crane]

You need 2.2k pts to hit AoTN

[coral wren]

around 10k

[elder crane]

And all servers have it

[coral wren]

washington needs to git gud then

will be problematic when you meet bis fleets

Yeah

For now i just don't bother and use naked kms fleet as def

but when i get elf bong maxed, prob gonna sandbag hard

[elder crane]

Earliest possible time to hit AoTN is this Friday, afternoon

Avrora and Wash have people that hit that regularly

[coral wren]

So you have to sandbag to do well?

[elder crane]

Sandy sometimes (often) doesn't

[coral wren]

i mean, if you don't sandbag, you won't get past ppl who do

[elder crane]

To be safe in hitting top 10, sandbag is important

[coral wren]

Shouldn't it be Lex instead of Wash?

like, you will get +10

vs their +12-13

[elder crane]

Oh shit I mixed up lex and wash XD

[coral wren]

lmao

is ok

[elder crane]

But not much sandbag is needed though

Again, even on Avrora, the most competitive (lul) server, I can hit rank 1 during AoTN rushing with 4 missed matches (with sandbagging)

[olive thicket]

I don't care about top 10, I care about top1k and idk how the hell I'm not getting it

[elder crane]

Don't do all PvP immediately after resets

[coral wren]

Same

I am just doing PvP whenever I remember and I do them all at once

instead of trying to snipe

[elder crane]

Always fight left team, don't fight all PvP right after reset, do your 15 matches a day and 1k should be easy

[coral wren]

i think many there seriously have their fucking alarm clock set to ring every hour 😄

[olive thicket]

I never do that tho and I always fight left

[coral wren]

This is insane

[elder crane]

I'm off to try to sandbag, see all in a sec

[twilit trail]

You can do 5 attempts and keep 5 attempts so you'll always be trailing behind those who do all 10. This should at least guarantee you eat lesser penalties

[elder crane]

in any case, you sure you've been doing all 15 matches a day since last Monday?

[coral wren]

Ye

I am rank 5k

[olive thicket]

@coral wren same here

[elder crane]

That doesn't seem possible, something must be off

(it might be me)

[olive thicket]

Yeah Washington being a shitfest

[elder crane]

Well, a few bad matches and no sandbagging I suppose could mean up to 150 pts below where I am, so I suppose it does make sense to be outside of top 1k

[coral wren]

what is sandbag

do you just not do PvP?

[elder crane]

Hmmm, I haven't just straight played my PvP since forever

[olive thicket]

I never lost tho

I only had to back out of 1 match

[elder crane]

Wait til someone in your list climbs themselves, then follow them

[olive thicket]

[elder crane]

And I meant "bad" as in fighting someone below your own rank

Which can be possible even if you always fight left in some cases

[coral wren]

I really wonder if i could put doy instead of qe

that shitboat dies to literally everything

[elder crane]

Relogin to game to refresh the rank listing, see if people on your list have climbed roughly at least +30 pts (early on) or +35 pts above you, and fight them for bonus pts

QE is there for her buff and mainly that alone

[coral wren]

i know, i'm just curious if ws can be more useful than that 15% buff

[elder crane]

And yes, some people run "HMS" without QE in JP/CN server, where they have better ship selection

[coral wren]

but probably not

[elder crane]

For us, no better option for HMS teams really

[coral wren]

so perhaps doy amagi hood won't be that bad of a meme

[elder crane]

That could work with the right setup

[coral wren]

with jin+aur vang

but with my shit luck where all my torps go to fucking nowhere i doubt that will be a thing for me

[elder crane]

Jint/Juneau with either Aurora or Aya would be my choice

Trade off own Frontline early, let backline do most of the work

[vague token]

suicide bois

[hot creek]

soo....is everyone getting the core shop gun tommorow?

[vague token]

yus

dont think i have enough t3 plates to +10 though =/

[ionic magnet]

i need 2 days more

sucks i already did weeklies before patch

[vague token]

oof

[hot creek]

most of us did weeklies before patch

you should still be able to afford it 2morrow

if you've been keeping up

[elder crane]

Not if he didn't do 6 HM clears before the hotfix

The one where they patched 6 per day to 3, on release day

[ionic magnet]

i got 738 only

i didnt miss a single round

yes i did 6 on the first day too

how many do you guys have

i remember testing 1 fight in 5-1 so that should be 2 core data less

[hot creek]

762 after i finish daily and weekly today

[zenith tundra]

709 without daily weekly

[ionic magnet]

thats weird

anyways just gotta wait a day more no biggie

[zenith tundra]

i only missed 5 core data because already did daily before the hotfix

1st day

[leaden sequoia]

the theoretical maximum core data any of us can have today is 767 if you did 6 HM on release day before hotfix and collected daily after hotfix

but I suppose most did either both things before or both after

which nets 762 for former and 719 for latter

[ivory vine]

you could have more

[shy hazel]

god ppl are so i dont know

[leaden sequoia]

so I don't get how there is 709 🤔

[ivory vine]

if you didnt do daily or weekly before hotfix

[shy hazel]

youll only have a few days of advantage

everyone will get it eitherway

[ionic magnet]

[leaden sequoia]

it's #pvp, min-maxing everything in this game is a usual thing

[ivory vine]

actually

if you did 6/6 on first day

having done weekly/daily before hotfix is irrelevant

cuz it's not enough to get it a day early

[shy hazel]

oxytorp first

golden broom can wait

[ionic magnet]

[leaden sequoia]

golden broom lmao

[shy hazel]

i prefer rainbow dildo

[ionic magnet]

torp fetish

[leaden sequoia]

the daily that gives 5 CD is for 10 victories, so can be obtained not just from HM alone

or I misunderstood you

[ivory vine]

the extra 20 core data from the week/day it released doesnt give enough to get hood gun a day early

so even if you did the missions before hotfix you're not behind a day

but if you did 6/6 you're ahead a day

[leaden sequoia]

ah yeah, that's not enough in either case, I didn't claim it is

[zenith tundra]

id rather have 6 golden brooms then 1 rainbow dildo

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

plus you can use them in pve, oxy has limited uses xD

[shy hazel]

wow

dildo haters

watch me meme pvp with 4 dildoes

[azure aurora]

Why only 4? Go 6

[leaden sequoia]

if only Amagi and BBaga could equip dildoes as well

[azure aurora]

Imagine dildo tirpitz

Dat torp every 10 sec would be great

15

[shy hazel]

yukikaze has shit torps iirc

[ivory vine]

ykkz has fine torps

it's just not meme tier like some others

[azure aurora]

Meme tier torp? Sirius

[ivory vine]

other direction of memes

[azure aurora]

I raise sirius, she actually upgrade amakaga damage

[shy hazel]

ofc

its just that

is she worth it to replace belfast

or aya

or jun

[azure aurora]

Replace aya is worth

Belfast or jun . . .

No comment

[leaden sequoia]

ykkz is actually top-3 among non-retroed ships

[shy hazel]

aurora and jin is non negotiable

[leaden sequoia]

but only top-8 if counting retros

[shy hazel]

ykkz refit

[azure aurora]

QE kai pliss

Add barrage skill and done

Will start using forever loli queen again

[shy hazel]

id like to see a refit in azurlane thats like in kc

total personality change

make qe real regal and less noisy

[leaden sequoia]

well, that's a lore thing, technically nothing prevents devs from doing that right now

inb4 QE as a mature woman

[shy hazel]

id really like to see that

than just a loli brat who asks her maid to do things

[pallid ember]

pvp belfast still uses triple 155m gold right

[ionic magnet]

every CL uses triple 155 👌

[leaden sequoia]

if don't have enough triple 155mm prioritize Belfast > backline secondary for FP stat > other CL?

[wise summit]

good question, I guess depends on the relative impact of the BB vs CL you're comparing, but I would personally go for the CL

[leaden sequoia]

I'm running Amakaga/Bel/Aur/Aya

[ionic magnet]

twin 127 has better dps for BB secondaries but it depends on your lineup tbh

[leaden sequoia]

in that case Amagi should have more impact with her quick barrages than Aurora

with this setup in 40% cases the enemy frontline gets killed quick enough to make DPS of secondaries redundant

so Amagi still holds 155mm

[wise summit]

Yes, in that case I'd think you'd get more impact out of the small FP buff to Amagi than the upgrade to Aurora's gun. Twin 127 is technically a better DPS gun for your backline, but in my experience with amakaga it's never relevant because they're barely ever firing. You pretty much can't lose the vanguard fight with that setup.

[zenith tundra]

i prefer 127 for amagi for 2 reasons. 1 as defense fleet amakaga has no defense against vgs so 127 is the best defense gun for at least put some pressure on enemy vg. 2 amagi aa is trash and even on offense she get damaged really badly by mirror akaga and u risk losing her if shes hit by random opening torp plus amagi barrage plus touchdown damage.

[coral wren]

It can't be only me, please tell me that offense vang is being guided by a fucking indian written ai for everyone. I just can't believe what i'm seeing

[shy hazel]

why would it be written by an indian when theres alot of chinese writers for it

[coral wren]

Even worse i guess

[shy hazel]

rip

at least you back to your rightful name 👍

[pearl nimbus]

Out of curiosity, would Fiji be alright in PvP when ran with Amagi?

Or does her buff disappear when she dies or w/e.

[zenith tundra]

fiji skill is an active one. it activates every 20s so if she dies u cannot get it.

if u can keep her alive enough for the skill to activate might be goos but current meta doesnt have stuff happening around 20 secs.

she would've been good in enty meta mostly

[willow storm]

i heard eldridge+ lusty is a cancer combo in pvp

can anyone confirm that for me?

[zenith tundra]

it was before amakaga. u would negate almost all enty damage

[coral wren]

Nah, it gets nuked by foxes

[shy hazel]

you dont even need lusty

just complete eldridge cancer

before foxes era

[zenith tundra]

rng cancer

[willow storm]

so would getting eldridge from the merit shop be useless now the foxes are here?

[shy hazel]

just get her for collection

sd would be more useful

well if u have wash

[willow storm]

i dont have wash, i started in the fu shun and an shun event

forgot the name

[zenith tundra]

pretty much shes useless now and with lvl 120 cv strike way to fast for her skill to have a chance against them

[shy hazel]

chinese new year then

just get any of the two

sd would be meh without wash

but arguably useful than eldridge

[willow storm]

hmm

i just hope hood or enty appears after lusty disappears from the exchange shop in washington server

[shy hazel]

wash should get cursed with sandy curse

avrora got sandy for like the 4th or 5th time

[zenith tundra]

lol

[willow storm]

pls no

[shy hazel]

sandy sandy sandy sandy sandy sandy sandy\

washington be cursed with sandy

[leaden sequoia]

buy sandy from medal exchange to sell her for 10 medals

[shy hazel]

[azure aurora]

I always do that if she appear on Lexington exchange

My brain say hood gun, but my curiosity say atago gun

And flexing part in my brain say dildo

[shy hazel]

just be with the usual ppl

join the bandwagon

get hood gun

about 10

[azure aurora]

4 hood gun after that dildo

[willow storm]

i dont have enough for the hood gun

feelssadman

[shy hazel]

for memes sake

lets call hood gun

gold broom

and ofc oxytorp will always be

rainbow dildo

[willow storm]

kek

[azure aurora]

Or i just wait for another VDiR rerun in future

Not like i really need double dildo aya

[zenith tundra]

u shouldn't really stack them. u should use 1 oxy 1 def item just like pve

the only reason i would pick up oxy tbh is for hard maps requirements

ofc the dmg boost is really good but 381 will only be available so easily for a limited amount of time and even if u buy it every month u can still save for an oxy eventually

[shy hazel]

now im thinking getting hood gun first is a better idea

but the rainbow dildo is just too good

[zenith tundra]

rainbow dildo also is always in the shop

u cannot miss it even if u want to

[shy hazel]

ill observe and see

once ppl use them in pvp

and if im forced to reset

cos amagi is memeing me

[zenith tundra]

i don't think that amagi will change that much

[ionic magnet]

amagi uses 406 right?

[pearl nimbus]

Either 406 or 410

410 tends to be a lot more common though.

[zenith tundra]

410 is used in amakaga comps for amagi to attack before belfast smoke

406 is used when not flagship so she can deal a lot of damage

also 406 allows her to hit enty after cloak

[ionic magnet]

mm i actually prefer 406 in amakaga comps

[zenith tundra]

with ijn buff and hsfcr

finally got my doy to mlb (lvl 89) and oathed

now time to grind her to 200 affection

[crystal hare]

if i want to stick juneau and pearl into my comp is it better to generally have her in front to proc early or middle to make sure nothing is wasted?

[pearl nimbus]

Depends on the comp imo

vs torps I generally tend to put her top, vs stall frontlines in Wasd comps I put her in front

I rarely put Juneanu in middle.

[modern tree]

I feel like you want her either mid or back. Mid delays the heal to pretty much only affect the main fleet. Back let's her eat torps for your vg without risking getting shotgunned in first couple of seconds.

[crystal hare]

alright, i'll try putting her back then since most people seem to use torps lately

[pearl nimbus]

idk, I feel whenever she's in mid she dies far too late.

[modern tree]

Front is the most theoretical heal, but in practice, she sometimes just sinks instantly

[crystal hare]

i was thinking of doing my fleet as akaga, ranger kai, sirius, laffey kai, juneau

does that sound reasonable?

[modern tree]

Juneau mid is only for super disposable vgs since she will likely outlast all the other ships you run her with, leaving them with no heal. It's probably the most effective with wasd

[pearl nimbus]

Ranger kai is just "eh" in PvP

but if you have nothing better you can give it a go

[crystal hare]

i like her and i dont have a levelled QE to go with sirius so, it seems fair

[pearl nimbus]

In this meta she'll often just die before her first strike due to Amakaga

You can still do it, but it really is hit or miss.

[coral wren]

Ok, vs 12,5k fox setuo aurora did the most dmg

[crystal hare]

i was more curious about my frontline since im not sure if they're durable enough to hold on for the carriers to do their work properly

[modern tree]

If you are running Ranger then might as well replace Laffey with Helena. RNG

[pearl nimbus]

Your frontline is fine for now.

Provided they're sufficiently geared.

[crystal hare]

big luck for big boys

[pearl nimbus]

Although Sirius will likely explode as well in this meta

[split socket]

might as well go full ham and swap jun with eldridge too for the rng meme

[modern tree]

But seriously, you should be looking for Belfast or Aurora

[pearl nimbus]

^

[crystal hare]

i have aurora, still trying to drop belfast

[modern tree]

Either go all in or tank up vs other foxes

[crystal hare]

i'd rather have a very tanky frontline to eat the air strikes while my carrier backline blasts them, what should i aim for with that in mind?

[pearl nimbus]

Do you have Amagi or nah?

[crystal hare]

i do

[pearl nimbus]

I mean if you're going for memes go with Ranger kai

otherwise just go full metaslave with Amakaga

But I understand the will to meme.

I'm planning on using Fiji in my comp

[crystal hare]

i really dont understand the amagi in pvp meme, it doesnt seem to do that much damage

but maybe im a brainlet

[pearl nimbus]

Amagi isn't just there for damage

her two defensive skills are busted

[coral wren]

Using leander vs anything other than a torp meme was probably a bad idea...

[crystal hare]

i might make my defense fleet full metaslave

[pearl nimbus]

huehuehue

[crystal hare]

but i wanna meme supreme on offense

[pearl nimbus]

Hmm I'm thinking of a good meme myself

[crystal hare]

the obscene meme supreme, helena aurora sirius ranger kai foxes

[pearl nimbus]

DoY+Amagi+Enty backline with Helena, Juneanu and Aurora frontline

I might give that a go

[crystal hare]

ill try gearing up aurora though, thanks for the tipz

[split socket]

Amagi is strong in both offense and defense, that's why shes so busted

shes almost a straight upgrade from Hood

[pearl nimbus]

And then Monarch is an even further upgrade of Hood

[modern tree]

?

Are you guys alright?

[pearl nimbus]

Si.

[modern tree]

While Amagis barrage is much more versatile than Hood's, she is way more fragile and misses the key component, the 40% reload boost with really high uptime. Yeah she makes you take a bit less damage as a trade, but dead enemies can't hit you and the best way to ensure they die is shooting first. While Monarch is way tankier than Hood, her barrage is AP and she peovides nothing for the ships you run her with. Better solo, narrower application.

Hood is fine

[pearl nimbus]

Truuue I suppose.

Monarch is indeed a selfish choice.

[split socket]

"but dead enemies can't hit you and the best way to ensure they die is shooting first", that's why Amagi is better

Amagi will always shoot faster than hood and can bring down enemy fleets faster than hood can

and 9% dmg debuff, 15% fire dmg reduction coupled with +10% flat evasion rate is nothing to scoff at.

[modern tree]

It's not a damage debuff

[split socket]

close enough

the only thing it doesn't affect that comes to mind are skill barrages

Hood are great in HMS fleets, other than that Amagi would beat her in pretty much every other comp

[modern tree]

And backliners will usually have over 82% hit rate against other backliners, cutting 10% from that is neat and disruptive, but volume of fire will always trump it, and that's what Hood provides with her reload buff. Unless Amagi is ran with 4 ijn, I do not see any distinctive advantage

[split socket]

Well you do you

[modern tree]

Sure she's strong in a weeb fleet, but constructing one is awkward. Dismissing Hood as o obsolete is rather unfair

[split socket]

It's pretty clear from the meta shift tbh, no one is even running Wasd + hood or Akaga hood anymore

[dull hollow]

hood's reload buff is uhhh

not really a deciding factor

also her barrage damage is baaaaaad

[split socket]

I've never said Hood is obsolete lol

Hood is still a very strong ship

[pearl nimbus]

tbh I never notice Hood's reload buff

[dull hollow]

beecause of how reload is calculated

you rarely notice reload buffs

[split socket]

But if we are talking about whos better, then Amagi clearly comes out ahead

[modern tree]

Hood are great in HMS fleets, other than that Amagi would beat her in pretty much every other comp

Yea

[pearl nimbus]

I notice Laffey's reload buff

[dull hollow]

the problem is HMS fleets are suckass rn

[split socket]

and that is true. Whether you like it or not

[dull hollow]

and when HMS fleets stop being suckass

[pearl nimbus]

Not true.

[dull hollow]

hood is no longer good

[pearl nimbus]

HMS fleets on offence are still dope.

In fact I'm almost certain most of our last top 10 were HMS users.

Hood is still good, just not as an all-purpose barrage ship.

[coral wren]

I'm honestly not sure if hood will be decent even with 381 kai

in all my games she is underperforming

[dull hollow]

top 10 means nothing for fleet strength considering that you have no obligation to fight anything strong

it just shows that someone has a mildly competent fleet and sandbags correctly

[split socket]

^

[pearl nimbus]

I mean sure, but I will say that HMS fleets are still bonkers on offence

[dull hollow]

bonkers is a strong word

useable

is better

[split socket]

HMS fleets are still valid. Just not as good as amakaga or wasde

[coral wren]

tolerable

[dull hollow]

the irony is that even with warspite kai

HMS is not on top

[pearl nimbus]

Wasde kinda seems eh atm tbh

I mean it's still great, but Amakaga tears right through it.

[dull hollow]

instead IJN just stole the loli

and went back on top

[pearl nimbus]

When Nagato and research drops imma make a hybrid fleet.

[dull hollow]

when research drops

there will be a 4-6 month period

before yo ucan field any ship in pvp

[pearl nimbus]

PR Louis

Viva la France

[dull hollow]

GUD GAME DESIGN

[hot creek]

as long as i can oath Neptune immediately, we good.

[modern tree]

I will just point out the absurdity of telling me you didn't say Hood is obsolete (Tobi: I've never said Hood is obsolete lol), after telling me that she is worse than Amagi in every fleet with exception of HMS (Tobi: Hood are great in HMS fleets, other than that Amagi would beat her in pretty much every other comp) which is sort of the definition of "obsolete" and then pretending this is objective truth when I quoted you directly (Tobi: and that is true. Whether you like it or not). Now that I have done that, I will go play the game with my not obsolete, but objectively worse in most situations boats.

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[split socket]

Key is "Hood are great in HMS fleets"

but if u are willing to ignore that and put word into my mouth, then sure

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/obsolete

"Definition of obsolete - no longer produced or used; out of date". Hood are still used in HMS fleets = not obsolete

Besides shes still great in pve

[dull hollow]

I actually wonder if amagi out performs her in hms

Much better barrage, silly defensive skills

[split socket]

[split socket]

and amagi makes entire fleet more resilient to pretty much everything

[split socket]

Nope. Hood having more AA stat might reduce enemys plane hp a bit more might to help backline and herself, but it won't help your vanguard at all. Meanwhile Amagi 9% aviation debuff will help ur entire fleet, so my point still stand

Also the only meta comp right now that even uses 2 CV are Amakagas. Hood having more AA is totally moot because u won't replace Amakaga with Akaga + hood because of that extra AA

[coral wren]

1k extra hp tho 🤔

[split socket]

You guys win. Hood has 1k extra hp. Whew 😓

[outer stump]

[stoic vector]

when warspite kai comes I will not fall to warspite + non-hms fleets
I will keep my ideals in my hms fleets at the cost of having a worse fleet

[upbeat hollow]

foxes was the counter to wasd right?

[vague token]

foxes without amagi gets dunked by wasd

like super hard

[upbeat hollow]

whats a good idea against it then?

[vague token]

wasd/e can be handled with amagi foxes since you just kill owari da early

usually

[upbeat hollow]

i only have kaga and akagi cuz amagi was before my time

[vague token]

ah

well, if you have hood put her across from E i think

im not familiar with hood/akaga cause i never got akagi

[upbeat hollow]

ahh

[vague token]

someone else would have to step in

and comment

xD

[upbeat hollow]

welp hopefully hood is in medal exchange

[vague token]

avrora server got

[split socket]

akaga + hood can beat wasde, just be prepared to reset a lot

I stuck with akaga hood during the entire wasde meta and often had to reset to wasde fleets with 1-2k fleetpower below

[vague token]

oof

[upbeat hollow]

i should lvl my foxes

[vague token]

god hiryuu is so great as a fox counter pick xD

so bad against literally anything else

[upbeat hollow]

what makes hiryuu good against them

[dull hollow]

what is this

fucking clown fiesta

[vague token]

dear god

[dull hollow]

am i watching NA LCS???

[vague token]

that looks like cancer

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/550072619102240843/unknown.png

junny last alive
0HP doy alive for 10 years

[vague token]

xD

[dull hollow]

this comp is pretty strong too

[upbeat hollow]

who is the blue haired ship

[dull hollow]

WTF A DOPPLEGANGER

[vague token]

spoooky

[dull hollow]

wabbits are stronger LULW

ijn stole the loli and reclaimed t0 again

[willow storm]

i'm just gonna nope the fuck outta there

[coral wren]

yikikaze looks cancerous af

[upbeat hollow]

NC is a limited time ship too right

[dull hollow]

nc is dogshit in pvp

[upbeat hollow]

o

why are they using her then or prob 4fun comp?

[dull hollow]

that comp looks like a freeass win lmao

that's 100% a 4fun comp

kill it for free exp

[willow storm]

you know what makes running into that type of team worse?

[upbeat hollow]

ahh ok

[willow storm]

when you're still semi new so you only have a semi decent pvp team.....

[upbeat hollow]

its ok my team is shit too lmao

[willow storm]

lol

if i had Amagi, hood or enty i could be ok at some of the lower PRs

but its like

i struggle against people with 7k in both i think

[dull hollow]

they should just standardize pvp levels to max

[upbeat hollow]

ima swap out a lot of those soon

[willow storm]

it sucks that all of the decent PVP ships that i have are still getting leveled

like helena, aurora, Juneau, and that common ship thats known as a mini belfast

when fully retrofitted

[split socket]

... say wut

[upbeat hollow]

i still need to lvl foxes enterprise helena aurora juneau

[willow storm]

Leander

[upbeat hollow]

and duke

[split socket]

oh

[willow storm]

thats her name

[coral wren]

mini belfast?

[willow storm]

yeah, duke too

[split socket]

thought he was talking about belchan for a sec there lol haha

[modern tree]

I am not sure how well leveling so many SSRs at the same time when starting out is gonna work out for y'all

[willow storm]

@coral wren i meant Leander because when shes retrofitted she gains that smokescreen skill

[coral wren]

Ah, ok. I almost shit my pants, thought i missed belchan event or smth

[modern tree]

but I hope you are progressing fast enough to get those purins

[upbeat hollow]

i just slowly commission/1:1 ships

[willow storm]

i'm also leveling unicorn for PVP

her Reload skill is level 6 now

[split socket]

uni is not for pvp

[willow storm]

was it pve?

idk

shes useful for something

[upbeat hollow]

enterprise and belfast might be my next two to 100

i didnt realize enterprise's lucky E is like lvl 8 or 9 lmao

[dull hollow]

she gives every ship a

toolbox

more or less

while being a passable front

[willow storm]

also, i have a idea for a pvp fleet. Vanguard: Leander Kai, Ayanami Kai and Aurora/Helena. Main Fleet: Queen Liz as Flagship, Warspite and Duke of York

how would that perform?

[dull hollow]

lmao that sounds like

the typical EN no syngery comp

so it'll be fine

there's no good EN comps rly

just using w/e works

[upbeat hollow]

[willow storm]

oof

i thought i had something there

[dull hollow]

there is nothing nice in EN

[willow storm]

Leander kai would be swapped out for belfast if i had her

[dull hollow]

so it's okay

[split socket]

define nice

[willow storm]

and maybe i'll swap Duke of york out for hood when i get her? idk

[idle python]

Hiryuu better than nagamon on that fleet iriya?

[dull hollow]

nagato only has a place in namagi

[willow storm]

so main fleet would be queen liz Hood and Enty?

or would queen liz hood and DoY be better

[idle python]

I don't see the difference between namagi and that though outside of one has nagamon and one doesn't

[modern tree]

I will be honest, doy just came out and nobody has a cue how well it works on EN

[dull hollow]

DoY is just bad centaur

[modern tree]

but if you are going for royal navy synergy with qe then hood with either doy or warspite will probs work

[dull hollow]

better than current warspite tho

hms is slightly stronger with her

[idle python]

iirc jp still had hood akaga as top PvP fleet even with doy post drop tank buff

[dull hollow]

yah akaga still gonna be most consistent for EN

[idle python]

Though there was some guy who got gensui with qe ark dork portkai Leander belfap

[dull hollow]

again getting gensui means nothing

for how strong your fleet is

[idle python]

Yeah that's true

[dull hollow]

it just means you sandbagged properly lmao

[modern tree]

just reset loooool

Ark shits on foxes 25% of the time

[vague token]

reroll bois

[haughty latch]

I play nothing but HMS in PvP and nothing runs better than Juneau fortune belfast

[dull hollow]

new age resident sleeper

lmao that dickflex comp

i will honor his dedication

by brutally murdering all 6 of them

[haughty latch]

lol

Murdering his 6 waifus how messed up

Juneau Fortune QE and Warspite need marriage skins -.-

[modern tree]

How do you keep Fortune alive long enough for her to be ever relevant in the Juneau Fortune Belfast setup? Both torps and foxes are huge threats to her with Aurora around

I am just curious because I have been running HMS backline with Jintsuu Belfast Aurora and it works, but I want to try a tankier setup

Fortune just kept sinking on me tho

Not to mention this frontline is prone to just losing against wasd e

[haughty latch]

Have you leveled up there def skills ?

[coral wren]

😄

[ionic magnet]

[modern tree]

yes, 30% chance to evade things after 20 seconds does not save her from opening torps and fox strike at 10ish seconds

not to say she just sinks every time, the skill just does not help her too much there

[haughty latch]

Yeah I'm more talking about belfast, in conjuction with her. But Junaeu always first to die for me against the foxes

I run her with pearls and toolbox as well

[modern tree]

I will just try it, maybe I missed something.

[haughty latch]

I mean, my oathed and retro but I'm sure yours is retro also

[modern tree]

oh believe me, there arent many people in this chat that have put as much time in HMS as I did

[haughty latch]

I thought Juneau fortune belfast was first team to counter foxes for hms as well

[modern tree]

I might have dismissed it too soon because the vg was not doing super hot vs wasd e and then Aurora came out

so far it is still not doing super hot vs wasd e

[haughty latch]

Yeah it depends who is on WA SD E vanguard

It depends in lucky e gets rolling

[modern tree]

but I did forget that oxy on Belfast increases the winrate vs that by a lot so maybe that's my bad

already amended

[haughty latch]

I might be lucky with my avoids never really thought twice going against foxes

[modern tree]

I mean, I am winning, it's mostly because my dumb reloader on Hood, but its happening

[haughty latch]

is hood your main dmg?

I feel like my hood is broken lol Belfast always my top and Warspite beats hood alot

[modern tree]

Well, sort of? I run Reloader and gold FCR so I can smash a fox with barrages before the can launch second time, it's basically the only way to kill one through Amagi buffs

Warspite is always top damage because foxes and amagi are all medium armour

[vague token]

im doing that too

assuming i get 1 gun shot it's a guaranteed kill

if i dont get it i just reset xD

[upbeat hollow]

prob a stupid question by ryuujou is 100% bad in pvp vs the more meta comps right?

[real notch]

aye

[modern tree]

Carriers have to be really broken to do much in pvp

Ryuujou is neat because clv fleets are actually really efficent since they tend to buff eachother a lot, but they are way too fragile for pvp

[vague token]

what does she even do /thought i had until the 27th to get her lol

[real notch]

skills are not bad but

[vague token]

oh, huh

[real notch]

it's very very hard to justify 3.5k hp backline

[vague token]

oh eww

that's less than vanguards xD

[real notch]

also her other stats are pretty garbage from what i remember

[upbeat hollow]

yea i guess theyd just p much get 1 shot

[haughty latch]

Does QE ever get retro ?

[real notch]

nice meme

[shy hazel]

nop

[dull hollow]

running DD is folly in pvp

low hp + low aa

enjoy getting evaporated

only ykkz gets a pass

and even still

she randomly pops to foxes

[real notch]

ye, DDs were viable pre-aurora

but now they al suck

even ayanami

i'd rather run belfast/juneau over ayanami

[haughty latch]

I run my fortune in the middle of that =p

[dull hollow]

u only run aya on def to piss ppl off with jintsuu

[real notch]

fortune was one of the viable ships pre-aurora

she's still good, but against aurora she's paper

[dull hollow]

dont even need aurora to bomb the shit out of DDs

[modern tree]

I am looking for good fleets to test against cuz all of those foxes have some fucking garbage stats and unleveled skills

[dull hollow]

lol

my struggle everyday

i got rly lucky today

got 2 perfect warspite comps

well

subperfect

their positioning was wrong

[real notch]

DDs were viable from september - december 2018

so for about 8 seasons

[upbeat hollow]

can belfap be swapped out for something else (keeping juneau and aurora)

[dull hollow]

eventually yes

[real notch]

this included eldridge, fortune, etc.

[dull hollow]

but u have no tanks

so ur stuck with her

[haughty latch]

I still run Juneau Fortune Belfast

[upbeat hollow]

portkai cant sub bel?

[vague token]

75 evade no air strike reduction will melt

[real notch]

yeah fortune is still good because of flank defense but

[dull hollow]

nyeh

[vague token]

to first strike

[real notch]

but i would not rate top tier because aurora exists

[vague token]

especially if you eat 1 crit torp

[real notch]

it's the age of desron

defensive VGs are dead

[upbeat hollow]

welp time to lvl my bel jun and aurora lol

[modern tree]

this is my life

[dull hollow]

yah this is when you start seeing the shift to defensively oriented fronts

[haughty latch]

You think?

[dull hollow]

eventually it stagnates into

Junny Ykkz Tank

Tank being neptune or Saintlouis

no variety at all in fronts

only FW gets some variety

cuz you can choose to play suicide style

[real notch]

atm jintsuu and aurora are must have

ok iriya is talking about JP

just to make that clear

[dull hollow]

already jintsuu is not

[real notch]

LOL

[dull hollow]

core

imo

[real notch]

i'm tlaking EN

[dull hollow]

going torp attacker

is historically bad

but right now EN is so scuffed you can get away with replaceing

juneau with her

yeah i know you're tlaking about EN but around now is when the shift to defensive frons start

[haughty latch]

Wonder if WA server just terrible for pvp

[real notch]

EN currently has no better VG pairing that jintsuu aurora

imo

it's always the 3rd ship that's flex

so you either flex to juneau or belfast

[vague token]

we dont have anything that can survive a torp, amagi barrage, and double air strike

without being like under 25

or rng

[real notch]

or you can mess around and use portkai, ayakai, or whatever

defensive frontlines will come when we get 120

or 110 maybe

and CAs become semi-viable

right now it's CL or die

if you go DD you get bombed

[dull hollow]

bel junny is already a pretty defensive core

[real notch]

if you go CA you get bombed

[vague token]

bel already dies basically to jintsuu, with some rng flux

bel lead basically is a sacrifice

to the gods

xD

[real notch]

ye belfast is fine

[haughty latch]

I literally don't have issues against foxes with Jun/Fort/Bel

[dull hollow]

the biggest problem trying to field torp as an attacker is

half your damage potential is not there

[real notch]

she's defensive smoke but she has like 300 torp stat and can tank torps herself

[upbeat hollow]

alright so if those are/will be the meta frontlines, how do hms comps currently work in jp/cn?

[vague token]

the reason people use torp attack is because there's nothing to do with vanguard attack cause stall doesnt stall xD

plus when you die fast you can shoot more guns across ;)

[dull hollow]

HMS comps just play warspite and laugh

but that's every nation comp

if u dont bring warspite u lose

[real notch]

hms omegalul

[dull hollow]

or at least bring hiryuu

[real notch]

you mean warspite?

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

warspite comps more like

kek

[haughty latch]

Warspite for queen

[dull hollow]

hms warspite isnt even top tier in JP

[haughty latch]

wait

[dull hollow]

it's IJN oriented warspite

[lament lichen]

warspite n friends

[dull hollow]

that's stronger

[shy hazel]

en will always be torp life

until pr

[real notch]

this is the meme i was making 2 days ago

[upbeat hollow]

so ignore all hms cept warspite (and hood)?

[shy hazel]

why hood

[real notch]

when yostar wants to buff HMS faction by releasing a UR HMS ship

[haughty latch]

DoY isant bad

[dull hollow]

hms sees a resurgence with Monarch and Centaur

[shy hazel]

hood is trash now

[lament lichen]

don't bother with hood

[real notch]

but instead everyone just fields warspite kai with IJN ships

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

OMEGALUL

[upbeat hollow]

ah alright

[dull hollow]

before warspite and amagi JP had 4 decently balanced comps

[split socket]

@upbeat hollow they are talking about warspite retro, it will be a long time before we get that so dw about her

[shy hazel]

hood is so 2018

[dull hollow]

Nakaga
FW
HMS centaur
EssexE

[haughty latch]

so much non en talk

[dull hollow]

EN got amagi early so the meta will be flipped upside down

when release schedule continues

[shy hazel]

[upbeat hollow]

gotcha

[dull hollow]

there will be no age of nakaga

you skip directly to Namagi

[upbeat hollow]

im getting a tad bit confused LOL

ngl

[shy hazel]

so jp getting shang

[real notch]

ye i do appreciate jp/cn talk but not too much

[upbeat hollow]

just trying to fix my comps

[shy hazel]

lets see how useless she is

[real notch]

orelse it will confuse the members of ALEN

[upbeat hollow]

or rather i wanna start working on a solid comp for now

[shy hazel]

blame iriya

[dull hollow]

hood is already starting to show her age

in EN

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

jp/cn talk gives us insight on future planning but

[upbeat hollow]

if i already have DoY should i bother really with hood then

[vague token]

hood fits mixed comps more than hms since her buff helps others more than it does hms xD

[haughty latch]

Hood showing her age as soon as we get her weapon

[real notch]

the main topic should still be EN PVP

[vague token]

since hms has like no on shot barrages otherwise

[split socket]

@dull hollow is Namagi better than Nakaga even without a good 3rd backline ship tho?

[dull hollow]

there's not much to talk about in EN tbh

u guys have like 2.5 comps and little unit variety

and since I've experienced all the EN metass

[split socket]

JP have hiryuu kai, we probably won't get that for a while

[dull hollow]

back when JP was 100

i know how most of it plays out

amagi is a bit of a wildcard

[real notch]

en meta doesn't perfectly follow JP history but it is close

for example eldridge

eldridge was tier 0 for about a month

and it never was in JP/CN meta

[dull hollow]

eldridge is just a check if your comp is bad or not

[haughty latch]

You could propbably replace hood with DoY for EN

[split socket]

EN got Amakaga meta rn though

[dull hollow]

aka stop running enterprise

[upbeat hollow]

alright question then: since i started after both amagi and wasd, what would be a decent offensive fleet to aim for?

[real notch]

it's because EN got FW 1 month after release

unlike any other server

so people were working with level 100 fox meta

right up until FW release

[haughty latch]

Well you can get SD any time you want I started after WA

[split socket]

@upbeat hollow HMS fleet

[haughty latch]

HMS is really your only choice

[dull hollow]

you could reliably deal with eldridge with FW using suicide FW

[real notch]

naw, people were still running ent

[dull hollow]

i know ppl here did it

and said it worked pretty well

[real notch]

they just swapped 406mm to 410mm

and eldridge usually dies by 4:30

if you run 406mm eldridge will just facetank you entire backline

with 410mm eldridge will tank only ent and die shortly after

[vague token]

that's why i ran minne aurora when she showed up

i gunned down eldridge and juneau pre 20 left and right

pewpew

/ca bias

[haughty latch]

I run 410s on my HMS

[upbeat hollow]

alright so what are my viable options for hms?

[real notch]

currently HMS is looking to be

hood QE dork

so try that out

and have a leveled warspite on the side

[upbeat hollow]

kk i still have to get hood then

[haughty latch]

You have DoY ?

[upbeat hollow]

and front line, do i run the aur/bel/jun?

[real notch]

or you can just go amakaga

[upbeat hollow]

yes

[haughty latch]

I hate you

[real notch]

which is probably going to still be on top

[dull hollow]

wut

[split socket]

he doesn't have amagi

[haughty latch]

I didnt finish phase 2 till I had 11 left

[upbeat hollow]

i spammed b3 a lot and eventually got her and yea no amagi so cant fox

[haughty latch]

and i have less than 100 on phase 3

[real notch]

owo

yeah, try aurora belfast and juneau

[upbeat hollow]

kk

[real notch]

i know some but i'm not an HMS expert

if you want an HMS expert i think daxam or suzuteo are

[dull hollow]

there's an old hms meme with leander

and belfast

to double smoke

[shy hazel]

not having amagi just means

[real notch]

well "expert" but i mean just more experienced than me

[shy hazel]

u gotta pray for nagato

[upbeat hollow]

fair enough