pvp

[outer stump]

[coral wren]

If its real time battle many will complain they cant reset

[outer stump]

Yeah but the limit points shouldn't exist if that comes

[finite valve]

want to know best way to improve pvp?

remove and replace it with co op boss raid

LMFAO

[shy hazel]

pvp best feature what

reset2win

[outer stump]

Oh sure, co-op ex modes

[finite valve]

sound better then the current pvp system we are having

a raid boss ranking is better then a pvp ranking with useless number

[zenith tundra]

if u want something more interesting to play all they need to do is remove attacker bonus and change dailies and weeklies from win to participate

[vague token]

and fleet positioning

xD

[zenith tundra]

i think it would be completely different without attacker bonus. u really need to put either a counter or a better formation then ur opponent. also would make defense fleets less memes

[coral wren]

Bot pattern is amazing, first you dodge all the torps but then go full 180 degree turn and catch all of em

Fucking dreadful

[vague token]

without attacker bonus

i think torp defense wins lol

[coral wren]

Yeah, that’s for sure

I think it’s not only torps, but even airstrikes and salvo hit both your vang and rear

[vague token]

yeah cause vanguard is allowed to contribute

to both fleet halves

unlike offense

which only hits 1

wasted dps

[coral wren]

Yep

[zenith tundra]

stuck on ph2. almost halfway and no main drop

can't really complain tho passed ph1 with less then 40 draws

[coral wren]

Nice. I think for me it will be that situation again when i have to draw max out of max in order to go further

[zenith tundra]

182/397 ph2 and no main drop yet.... looking not so good

[vague token]

oops, sleeping at the wheel

lost twice lol

w/e

i should just go to bed xD

[zenith tundra]

rip...

[vague token]

it's fine, ill just wait until 110 and then go serious ;)

only a few more months

[zenith tundra]

14 days max and we have w11

that's my prediction

i can barely get +2 lol

someone must have used all 10 attempts for that

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

how does bonus pts work again whem ranking up

does the higher or lower rank count as base

no not that mb

when we move to say commodore from colonel in 1 fight

hmm

i see

yea i can imagine

makes sense now how some peeps can reach really high scores

thats prolly what additional 10 pts or so

thats big

yea

cos last season i calculated i can only reach 2580-2590 pts max even if i didnt lose a single round

with another 10 pts, getting 2600 is now possible

really stressful work tho

not sure if ill do it again

yea atleast i know how to properly do this now

[kindred crypt]

?

[vague token]

just got sirius, time to grind like crazy so i can try her in pvp xD

[shy hazel]

^

my sirius skill alrdy lvl 5

yellow

pogster

[timber plinth]

sirius good w amakaga jintsuu aya?

[coral wren]

if u got aurora, use her instead of aya

[timber plinth]

ic...

thx

[coral wren]

That 10% buff seems rather.. small

[shy hazel]

what 10% do u mean

[odd schooner]

Too many mirror rn I'd bet my luck on Belfast smoke

[coral wren]

sirius buff

[coral wren]

For me any self buff that's less than 30% just won't do a jackshit

[split socket]

sirius got 34% fp buff with 2 cv backline. Guess she does jackshit then?

[ionic magnet]

tbh i think aurora is so overrated

[split socket]

agrees

only because I'm salty cause I am still missing her tho

[willow storm]

+f

[ionic magnet]

my toughest matches never has aurora

[willow storm]

i have her but i just dont have the equipment for her since i've been playing for a month or under

[split socket]

[willow storm]

getting gold gear is a pain

[odd schooner]

What's 34% of 180 torpedo

[willow storm]

61.2

@odd schooner

[odd schooner]

240+

[willow storm]

Lol

[odd schooner]

@willow storm thank

[willow storm]

np

now back to being dead inside while waiting for chapter b so i can use my 9.5k oil

[odd schooner]

That's how serious sirius got right now

[coral wren]

Oh, she does have a second self buff

[coral wren]

Nah, she still looks kinda weak to be taken seriously

[modern tree]

DD gun and good barrage are fine, but hardly relevant for pvp

[coral wren]

Y, i think she would be relevant if her buffs for cv were much stronger

[modern tree]

I think that shes a fine option to have running with Sendai after CAs inevitably take over the vg meta, but for EN standard, shes awkward and often just worse than Aurora or running a tech boat

And Sendai doesn't do anything for Essex E or other non fox comps so it's not like Sirius is bad if you like running carriers, she is just before her time. Go figure

[coral wren]

Oh man, i dunno. I wish i could read moonrunes so i definitely would be playing on jp and see for myself, but isn't sendai on a completely different level than sirius? Comparing sirius to her is weird to me. She suits torp setup so well with her eva debuff, and at the same time buffing torp reloads while sirius providing 10% cv buff only. 35% boost is ok, but unless she overpowers enemy vang or help tremendously your backline to do so, i hardly can see her being in meta in any way right now. Maybe there is some setup for her where she is a must have, but as you said, on en i don't see what could it be

[shy hazel]

oh

i never realized

its commodore / rear admiral ranks already

why the fuck do we have different names in rankings page and pvp pages anyways so annoying

[leaden sequoia]

just remember rank numbers instead and corresponding base point gain from wins

[coral wren]

When season starts 28 points is the maximum you can get?

[leaden sequoia]

that's 28 base points, you can get bonus points on top of that

which likely will happen if others have already made their attempts, e.g. if you're late to the party

[coral wren]

500 diff is the cap tho, right?

[leaden sequoia]

experimentally determined, yeah

[coral wren]

Aight, thank you

[leaden sequoia]

tho based only on one person's score data, so double-check if needed

[shy hazel]

who you

i only know cyaneko

Who was he again

i forgot #1 name

starts with H

[shy hazel]

dont know if thats a bad or good thing though

t least they say its easier to gensui in sandy

[coral wren]

Would be helpful if they could post where does the majority of players come from for each server so we could adjust our attacking time

[modern tree]

Just keep track of players in an excell sheet

Commit

[pearl nimbus]

@leaden sequoia I see you're running Amakaga. A fellow man of culture.

[leaden sequoia]

I'm not Oxidian tho

[pearl nimbus]

Fuuuuuck

[shy hazel]

oof

[pearl nimbus]

I like finding people from this chat 😦

I was about to say.

[shy hazel]

[pearl nimbus]

[shy hazel]

what server u in

[pearl nimbus]

Avrora

[leaden sequoia]

Wash

[shy hazel]

see

[pearl nimbus]

Ah, see there's the problem

ngl though, all I see is Amakaga atm

It's hilarious

Jiintsu+Belfast+Aurora and then Amakaga

That's all I've been seeing

With the occasional Eldridge that just explodes cause she's useless against foxes.

[leaden sequoia]

I'm at sub-1k position and only see w/e fleets but not Amakaga

[coral wren]

yeah all i use in sandy is amakaga with ayaya instead of jintsuu

[pearl nimbus]

Can't wait to see some cheeky boi running an off-meta team comp that ends up working.

[modern tree]

I am playing wasd e cuz too lazy to swap equips I am using to farm the event

[pearl nimbus]

I doubt it will ever happen, but it'll still be funny.

[coral wren]

some of the older metas do seem to do better vs amakaga than sodakwashy fleets

[modern tree]

Wasd amagi with suicide ijn front is hilariously effective

I played it with Jintsuu Ayaya and Taco/Shiranui. They both just worked for no reason

Yeah, it's the only reason this works honestly, the aegis

You get smashed pretty hard against goofy shit like Cranes Helena

It's super rare to see something creative tho

It's usually just meta or ssr nonsense fleets

[coral wren]

sandy is awful for pvp

[pearl nimbus]

He's talking about the server

[coral wren]

yeah thats what i meant

[pearl nimbus]

Then you're not wrong.

[coral wren]

im also on sandy server

[modern tree]

Sandy is great for pvp

I love to hate it

[coral wren]

i mean its easy to get top 50

dont even need to sandbag at all for that

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah Avrora is pretty ResidentSleeper too

[modern tree]

I got 16 at end of season after sleeping on 4 charges and losing one game. Its great

[pearl nimbus]

Although there are some dedicated sandbaggers

[coral wren]

yeah i imagine top 10 in avrora is really hard

[shy hazel]

didnt lose a single one

[coral wren]

or at least you need to just not sleep for it

[shy hazel]

top 30 in av

lul

[coral wren]

exposed

[shy hazel]

who is that

[coral wren]

[modern tree]

I just wish more people ran real fleets but the "run meme shit in pvp" Reddit posts seem to be working on Sandy too well

[shy hazel]

do u see my awesome

c class fleet

[coral wren]

i run a bad fleet in sandy

so that newbs can play pvp if they get me

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

No mercy. 200 affection oathed backline with bis always. You want free points? Reroll

[coral wren]

wont someone think of the newbies

[shy hazel]

ill switch to real stall def fleet on later ranks

beatabld but annoying

[coral wren]

wadsa+desron?

[shy hazel]

wash sd hiryu

[modern tree]

I switch once commodore is active. I ran kms till now

[coral wren]

[shy hazel]

juneau jintsu belfast

[coral wren]

whats desron

[shy hazel]

zulul stall fleet

[coral wren]

jintsuu ayaya aurora

[modern tree]

DESTRUCTION SQUADRON

[coral wren]

salt the world squadron

but w8 for the sendai to come

you will see some real kinky shit

[shy hazel]

camp camp camp

i should renamed my self to campfer

[coral wren]

i dont think i can even reach 1043 in sandy

[shy hazel]

fyi i lost a charge alrdy

[coral wren]

wait i can get to 1060 if i burn all 9 of mine now

im behind though

[shy hazel]

i need to refit one bb

so i can replace erebus

in my superior meme fleet

[coral wren]

oklahoma

[shy hazel]

soon.tm

[livid fractal]

You got 5/5 sandbag?

[shy hazel]

i still dont have vic

i always have 5

oh

u meant bonus

i got 8 consecutive sandbags

awhile ago

all +2

lol

[livid fractal]

[coral wren]

i can barely get like 2

i always get lazy last second pvpers

[shy hazel]

im p sure i i dont miss any round can gensui this season no rush

though i dont really sandbag 2nd week of pvp

the +1s feel

[livid fractal]

Commodore gives +10 points right? Or still +12?

[shy hazel]

10

can we ask mods to pin something here

[livid fractal]

So if I attack I'll get 1103

[shy hazel]

from guildmate

i lost one charge so lol for me

en ranks so confusing really

[modern tree]

Badges having different names than ranks is pretty bizarre

But we all know how translation goes

[coral wren]

does hood have any place in pvp atm?

[modern tree]

Shes good now and she is about a week off from becoming and absolute monster

[coral wren]

the weapon?

[modern tree]

381 kai from Core Exchange, yes

[coral wren]

also, used in tandem with hsfct?

and what's the best way to use her, with enterprise/illustrious or akaga?

[modern tree]

You can use whatever you want, a gun that shoots just barely slower than her internal cooldown for her barrage is gonna be nasty either way. I imagine best results will be paired with Queen Elizabeth and Duke of York

[coral wren]

also, what's the best period between pvp matches? like 1-2h?

[modern tree]

but she will work in any fleet because she can shoot like 2-3 times before anyone else gets to move

best delay is "enough for one of your opponents to play out their games", I dont think it will ever be pinned down to a specific time range

[coral wren]

well, what's the ideal rank difference between the attacker and the target?

[modern tree]

Rank difference will largely depend on how deep into the season you are, right now a couple of hundred is enough for one extra point and you probably would need to catch someone going for top 100 to get more than one extra

[coral wren]

or rather, could you ELI5 how the points gaining works?

[real notch]

LOOL

basically you sandbag

[coral wren]

the pins aren't explicit enough, idk

[real notch]

sandbagging means you wait 1 hour, then refresh the game

then, you check to see if your enemy rankings change. if they change and someone ranked up, compare it to yours, and track the difference in ranking

[coral wren]

then, is it good to run a heavy defense fleet or an easy one?

[modern tree]

you get 1 point extra if the difference is 35 POINTS not ranks, rank difference doesnt matter, its all your rough estimate

[real notch]

if the ranking difference is high enough, you will get bonus points for beating them

heavy defense fleet practically speaking doesn't matter in terms of affecting your rank

[modern tree]

the more POINT difference there is, the better the reward

[real notch]

it will matter a little more the higher rank you go

[modern tree]

right now people have to play roughly 3 more games than you to get you an extra ONE point, so its gonna be like 400 ranks roughly?

[zenith tundra]

put strong defense is better for everyone tbh

[real notch]

ye, though i need confirmation on the 35

[coral wren]

well, my highest was rank 12

[real notch]

i don't think it's linear

[modern tree]

it is not linear in the slightest

[real notch]

like 35 = 1 point
70 = 2 points
105 = 3 points

[modern tree]

it's specifically for right now

and the point scaling is weird af

all we really know that you get first after 35 and then it caps at 500

[real notch]

point gain is something more like (if i educated guess)
35 = 1 point
45 = 2 points
55 = 3 points

[coral wren]

also, when do you basically get the new rank, when you reach a milestone or the specific rank?

[real notch]

or somewhere in thta ballpark

[modern tree]

you need both minimum points and then reach the rank treshold

[coral wren]

for the last rank, you need to reach top 10?

[real notch]

but the idea is that it's not 35 points per +1 point

[modern tree]

so to get the highest rank you need 2200 and then hit top 10 after having this many points

[real notch]

otherwise you wouldn't be able to get +15 at end of season

[zenith tundra]

idk i attacked people with 45+ pts and still got +1

[modern tree]

I got +2 at 70 difference basically every time it was measurable, which is end of season

I also know Phoenix got +1 after fighting me with 69 difference at like 2 days before season ended

scaling is definety variable and weird, it probably mostly depends on your ranks tho, everything after commodore seems pretty linear

[split socket]

keep in mind thats when base pts are at 10 though

the threshhold is much lower in the beginning of season

[modern tree]

yeah, but its hard to measure it because hitting someone you know at the begining so they can give you the exact difference is unlikely

again, everything after commodore seems pretty linear, when everyone gets 10

but before that, who knows

[real notch]

uhhh

am i missing something

how do you get +15 end of season if it's +35 per game

you would need a 175 point diff to get +15

which is impossible even if you burn 10 games at once

(basically impossible)

[modern tree]

do you? most I got was 13 in my whole career

[real notch]

yeah i got +15 before

it happens if you miss like 20 pvp games

[split socket]

probably if u missed a lot of attacks ?

[real notch]

so it's not linear +35 at least from my empirical evidence

[modern tree]

if you miss this many attacks then you can hit people that have way more points than you, its luck

probably

but like

[real notch]

no, because you're matched with people identical in ranking

[split socket]

u shouldn't even get +12 by end of season if u've been sandbagging from start

[modern tree]

who can prove it lol

[real notch]

and ranking is correlated with rank points

[zenith tundra]

ranking is not linear tho

[modern tree]

like I said, end of season 69 is +1

[zenith tundra]

u can have people with +35 in ur list if ur lucky enough after an attack

(talking about top 100)

[real notch]

yea

i feel like it's logarithmic

OR... considering you can only get +15 if you miss a lot of games

maybe it is also correlated with how many people have the same ranking as you

like if there are 100 people all at 2200 points

you may get more points for crossing over those 100 people

as opposed to, say 10 people at 999 points

just a thought

[split socket]

nothing indicates ranking has any bearings on ur pts gain though, testing has shown its ur opponents score that matters

[livid fractal]

@real notch found you lool

[modern tree]

that is some spicy vg for foxes

[livid fractal]

I'm still working on my aurora/jintsuu.. Just got them this week

[modern tree]

understandable

I like it tho

shame fortune just folds against Aurora

[real notch]

OWO POGGERS

switch

[coral wren]

what servers are you on?

[real notch]

do u want me to switch to my legit fleet

and test

maybe like

5 games

actually tbh i don't really feel like it would result in anything

[livid fractal]

I want to but there's 12 mins left for reset

[real notch]

the meta is pretty grounded into amakaga at this point

yea that's true too

do u want me to burn some games for u

[livid fractal]

Nah I'm good

[real notch]

ah

[modern tree]

win trading

[real notch]

well im gonna burn them anyways

[livid fractal]

Are u at 9/10?

[real notch]

so if u wait

you'll get a nice boost

no

LOL

i'm at 6/10

what are u at

don't tell me 9/10

[modern tree]

its on the ss

[real notch]

oh

derp

jesus

makes sense tho i missed 1 game

i was rushing for a reset, finished the match, but forgot to click continue

then i overfilled 1 game

[split socket]

[modern tree]

oh geez, it doesnt upload result until you are out of the game?

[split socket]

yep

[real notch]

yaman

[modern tree]

thats good to know

[real notch]

lesson learned

so u guys know now too

[livid fractal]

Oh you moved

[split socket]

I learnt it the hard way too

[livid fractal]

What rank?

[real notch]

yea just wait a bit

[livid fractal]

Different

Difference

[real notch]

i'm gonna play like 2-3 more

[livid fractal]

Points

[real notch]

oh wait

[livid fractal]

[real notch]

can't we test the linear relatinship now

[split socket]

hes baiting u

so u miss ur pvp attempts

xD

[real notch]

i'm at 1053

[livid fractal]

1019

[real notch]

what are u at

ok

[livid fractal]

+1 is enough

[real notch]

that's +34 tho

do u wanna try it

[livid fractal]

[real notch]

nani

[livid fractal]

I'm gonna attack now.. I might miss it

brb

[real notch]

ok yea

i thought u already did

LOL

alright guys

if he doesn't get bonus points

then the +35 theory is only for colonel games

[split socket]

[livid fractal]

@real notch I got +1

[real notch]

owo

poggers

alright

so point diff was +34

[livid fractal]

But that was +34

[real notch]

but u still got +1 point

that means

THAT MEANS

[livid fractal]

Idk

[real notch]

35 is relative only to colonel ranking and above

[split socket]

because threshhold is not 35 before base pts are at 10

[modern tree]

it means we dont know shit lol

[real notch]

yep

[split socket]

we don't know the threshhold pre base 10

[real notch]

it means whoever told us 35 points is +1 (in general) is wrong

[livid fractal]

If you see me in your list, ping me.. I'll rank up to top 1

[real notch]

[split socket]

it's not wrong lol

[livid fractal]

[real notch]

owo ok switch

though i've never seen u in my lobby

(avrora is too big with too many tryhards)

[split socket]

u guys aren't really debunking anything. Just confirming something already known

whats more interesting are what the exact threshold are before it becomes 35

[livid fractal]

New chapter is up.. Can finally spend my oil

[real notch]

but the thing is nobody asserted there were multiple thresholds

that's why it's debunked

[livid fractal]

Just assume that 35 is +1

[real notch]

because everyone used 35 and waved it around for all rankings

[livid fractal]

More or less

[real notch]

that means whoever did +35 only tested it at colonel ranking

and extrapolated those results for all rankings

which is wrong

[split socket]

@real notch if u scroll up a little in this chat, u'll see me saying that

before any of this "debunking"

lol

[modern tree]

35 is safe to assume because it works at the end of season and it will also work earlier in the season because if the difference is at least 35 then it includes the number we dont know, which is actual required difference

so 35 is still the safest number to camp for at any treshold

now we just need to catch another game at 33 difference at sub commodore for more science, no problem

then 32

[split socket]

the threshholds are also likely to differ for every rank

so u need to test for every rank which will be pretty hard

[modern tree]

yeah, its not gonna happen unless this chat suddenly gets like 200 people trying to coordinate an operation like this

which will still probably be hardly enough to get scraps of information

[real notch]

LMFAOO trying to solve this with empirical evidence is insane

[modern tree]

just hack the apk

[real notch]

LOL

we should just

yea

do that

[split socket]

^

if it's client info though

[real notch]

then when we get banned say it's for sciecne

[split socket]

then again we don't really know unless we try? AL does a lot of stuff on client side

I can do it for pc unity projects, I've never attempted to unpack apk though so idk how that will work lol

[modern tree]

considering it requires to send the result to the server to return with points, it is rather unlikely to be scored client side

[livid fractal]

One time I had a +70 point difference in points and I assumed that I will get +2 but gave me +1

[split socket]

[modern tree]

I wonder how fast you'd get banned for life if you decrypted the engine and connected to their test server

[real notch]

either that or you'll get hired for hacking past their firewalls

[split socket]

u'll have to figure out the address of their test server. Which are most likely down or done offline anyway so...

[modern tree]

test servers are usually not protected by firewalls because connecting to them requires a modified application that lets you redirect, or a decryption key

some people should have the adress of the server cached because of the derp with sirius icon thing that happened other day

its all beyond my skillset tho

[split socket]

I won't comment on whether it's protected or not. But there shouldn't be any specific key etc

all u need is an application with a different server ip address to connect to

also we don't have the address of the server cached either. Because the recent bug was a patch intended for test servers that got uploaded to live servers

[modern tree]

ah

scratch that then

[real notch]

are you two hackermen

[split socket]

[real notch]

[modern tree]

itspartofthejob

I wish the dumb gacha stopped giving me food and gave me doy

they could be using lan, but testing with external partners is impossible with lan and they have 4 versions to maintain and QA, so there is like 70% chance they dont do everything on site

[real notch]

[modern tree]

it's all speculation on how intricate their network is tbh, it was fun while it lasted but now I am omw to get banned once someone rats this chat out to a mod

[real notch]

LOLLL

it's ok

everyone here in #pvp is in it together, nobody will rat you out

[zenith tundra]

i had to pull off all ph2 for matchless

like 39/397

[modern tree]

I wish Fiji timer was like 10 not 20, her skill is so cool

getting AA at 20 is pretty irrelevant unless we magically go back to Enterprise meta in which case you'd just run Eldridge

[outer stump]

How comes that I can easily face amakaga whit this comp?

I suppose it's Juneau's fault xD

[brittle hill]

https://i.4cdn.org/vg/1550868141772.jpg

I am looking to optimize my PvP team.

Some notes: I don't have Jintsuu and my Aurora is underleveled.

Some suggestions others have already given me:
76mm on Ayanami
Torp bulge and twin 100mm for Jun for more AA damage.
Switch quint to quad mag torps if you have them.
Extinguisher for Ayanami, put the badge on Belfast instead

Is the Aviation Oil Tank really worth it? It doesn't seem like I really need it.

[real notch]

aviation oil tank is worth it

swap out a gold catapult for it

also thanks for compiling ur gear

[split socket]

give amagi a gold SG radar

u can also use 410mm for more procs

[real notch]

to 100% optimize your fleet, these are the steps you should take (in order of importance)

1. swap triple 406mm for twin 410mm (amagi)
2. swap FCR for SG radar (amagi)
3. Swap twin 113mm from amagi onto juneau
4. swap beaver badge onto belfast
5. swap pearl onto ayanami

@brittle hill

[brittle hill]

Should I buy the 381 gun in Core Data when I get enough?

for amagi?

[split socket]

yes

[real notch]

yes

in terms of main gun/fighter, it's more or less good

[modern tree]

@outer stump Its because this team is probably legit best wasd E team and the only thing you are doing wrong with it is putting Juneau middle, but looking at your numbers, you dont have gear to run her front/back without her just dying

[real notch]

if you have reppuu, swap out seafang for reppuu

and your AA is a minmax mess but

it's not that high priority

do those 5 steps first

[brittle hill]

Thanks guys

[real notch]

@outer stump your team is a solid wasde wdym

wasde is not queen of pvp but still tier 0

of course you can beat amakaga

it's just amakaga does ur job better and faster

[modern tree]

this flavour of wasd e struggles only against mirror and eldridge a lil bit

its actually what I run currently

[real notch]

edinburgh is an interesting pick but not terrible

[outer stump]

@modern tree why I have to kill her at the first amakaga attack when I can negate the second attack damage...

[real notch]

she's got fat HP so that works for main tank

[outer stump]

I think putting her in front is a waste of heal

[real notch]

i would put her off tank

[livid fractal]

Juneau in middle is fine so she won't die fast from torp memes

[real notch]

no point in exposing jintsuu to torps

[outer stump]

Because the dive-bombers may have a chance to kill her first instead if healing nothing

[real notch]

dive bombers don't discriminate VG positioning

they bomb you nonetheless

[modern tree]

her ideal sinking timing is between the strikes because second strike is Aegis timing so you want to repair sodak a bit, I run her offtank for that

[real notch]

i would run juneau offtank yea

jintsuu is always always most efficient middle

[modern tree]

like I said with your gear running her mid might be necesary so she doesnt blow up before the first strike resolves

so its not a big deal

[outer stump]

@modern tree as I can see in my fights Aegis actually ends when planes are about to kamikaze my backline, giving me nothing to negate the damage

And Amagi barrage is no joke... Can one shot my Belfast pretty easily

[real notch]

yea ikr

amagi barrage op

seriously who the fuck came up with it

[modern tree]

Aegis mistiming happens only against skills that arent maxed or sakura torps but against sakura torps you already won, sort of

also

run more boilers if Amagi kills your belfast

I am Sirius

[outer stump]

Good thing my team is this solid

[real notch]

solid indeed

[modern tree]

pear on Jintsuu doesnt acomplish anything if your belfast sinks first, reconsider

[real notch]

do you have twin 113mm

[outer stump]

Oh Juneau has quintuple mag, it didn't loaded for some reasons

[real notch]

oh

quad mags are better generally

[outer stump]

@modern tree the heal is going to waste... As I said Amagi barrage is no joke

[real notch]

faster reload and not as shitty spread

[modern tree]

also, @brittle hill this is a really neat format for pictures like this and I am totally stealing that

[real notch]

most importantly faster reload

[outer stump]

And jintsuu is pretty squishy... Even whit 20% damage reduction

[brittle hill]

@modern tree I just wish someone would hurry up and make an app or tool for quickly doing this

[outer stump]

Without the pearl on her she may die first whenever I put her

[modern tree]

amagi barrage hits your whole frontline, there is no way this heal is wasted if your belfast goes 100%-0%

[real notch]

that's why you put her mid

she's highest priority ship in your fleet

[outer stump]

Back is fine too

I mean Belfast takes all the damage everytime

F for the Belfast's who died to win my exercises

[real notch]

yea she takes majority dmg but

offtank gets hit by opening torps often as well

[outer stump]

I care about early torps... The second wave won't do too much tbh

[real notch]

seeing as how your jintsuu doesn't have bulge she'll take 100% dmg

[outer stump]

I don't like to stack the pearl on jintsuu, actually waste tbh

And idk if I out it on Belfast the barrage deals a lot of damage to the middle target

So she will tank it and go down to 0 hp

And backline doesn't get touched

Waste of heal

Idk just my opinion

[real notch]

do a couple tests i guess

[outer stump]

And I see Jintsuu does pretty well in my fights atm

Belfast manages to take a lot

And jintsuu survives the last

[real notch]

if your belfast and jintsuu are dying before juneau

then that's not very good

[outer stump]

My backline does damage too

All I matter is that SD passive won't proc on first airstrike foxes

[real notch]

it shouldn't

since i don't see badge

on VG

[outer stump]

Even in the second (which is rare sometimes)

[real notch]

badge should be on sodak right

or do u have it on washington

[outer stump]

I don't have it yet

[real notch]

wtf

[outer stump]

Yeah ik

[real notch]

are u serious lol

get that shit

[outer stump]

I'm lazy to full my storage

[real notch]

badge is like irreplaceable

especially on wasd fleets

it will really improve ur sodak survivability

[outer stump]

I need 3 more

And if I have to do that what do I have to replace for it? The FCR or autoloader?

[modern tree]

AA is a lil mess and you might want to use 410s if you bump into mirror a lot, but this should probably be the setup

[outer stump]

Why aviation tank tho

[modern tree]

also, plane on Enterprise is preferemce, I use Hellcat just to win E duels

[outer stump]

I mean I want to burst down some guys

[modern tree]

because I value backline pressure over overkilling frontline that is omaemoshindeiru

[outer stump]

If you are curious this is my setup

SG is pretty expensive so I will just wait for core data shells

Which should give better stats tbh

[modern tree]

man, my own picture almost made me oath Juneau because shes so sad there

[outer stump]

Hold up... Didn't know that I can have DD guns on Juneau

Should I pick it up?

[modern tree]

yes

its the gimmick of whole Atlanta class and Sirius

she's not doing anything with the gun so might as well squeeze more barrages in and more AA stat

[outer stump]

Oh I see

[modern tree]

I am considering just using 100mm but I for some reason never actually went through with it

[outer stump]

Unfortunately I don't have any more guns for Z1 to rise her anfinity

Maybe the purple one will do for Z1

Just let her whit some HE

[real notch]

Aviation tank does more dmg than catapuly

Its been tested multiple times

[outer stump]

But does HE of DD guns have the same modifiers for CL guns?

If used on CL

@real notch really?

[real notch]

Yup

[outer stump]

But how

[real notch]

Because +plane hp contributes to touchdown dmg

[outer stump]

I mean I think you lose some Avia

Oh

[modern tree]

losing some aviation is barely relevant when you have 500 of it, diminishing returns

[outer stump]

Is that kamikaze thing a big deal?

[real notch]

Yes lol

+120 hp to all planes

Touchdown dmg is huge

[leaden sequoia]

Kamikaze does, like, 30-50% damage per wave to backline

[outer stump]

For now I will run catapults

[modern tree]

and again, oil tank is for backline pressure, which this team struggles with normally, enterprise will kill any non Eldridge frontline with one strike either way

[real notch]

Its like 90% of dmg on backline

[leaden sequoia]

Gun modifiers don't depend on the ship it is equipped on

[real notch]

Ywp

[leaden sequoia]

So DD guns should remain with DD modifiers

[outer stump]

In pve I think it's catapult good so idk

Or now I don't have materials

[real notch]

Ya cus pve has no touchdown dmg

[outer stump]

Just maxing other catapults

I want my cranes finished

[real notch]

Generally its 1x catapult 1x oiltank for all CVs

[outer stump]

Don't worry... I have so many

[real notch]

Yeah that's why when i see a wasde comp with 12400 power i think... This guy must have 2x catapult kek

[outer stump]

@leaden sequoia yikes

[leaden sequoia]

Touchdown is also very useful for finishing off the last backline member if she is too stubborn to die from frontline guns and torps

[outer stump]

Is there any chance for the kamikaze to don't deal damage because the planes get damaged a lot?

[leaden sequoia]

this: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/d/d4/660.png ?

[outer stump]

Or they are that fast that only fighters die

[leaden sequoia]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/100/150_Jet_Fuel

[modern tree]

always minimum 30%

[real notch]

Owo cyaneko

[modern tree]

my wasde is 13266 btw

[real notch]

Yup

13266 is generally accepted maxed wasde

Any more and u have non bis

[outer stump]

And I have other question... Look at my enterprise and tell me... Why in Enty Vs Enty case scenarios their Enty deals 350 damage and I deal 410 whit fighters

I just couldn't answer that myself either

[real notch]

Dmg boost?

[outer stump]

And sometimes there was pirate Vs pirate

And their enty were oather

[modern tree]

#triggered

[outer stump]

But what damage boost?

@balmy torrent I will try soon enough

[real notch]

20% pvp attacker boost

[outer stump]

Oooh

Wat

But why

Lol

Never expected that

[real notch]

Yes it's shitty and unfair

I know lul

[outer stump]

And you know that I fire whit my BB's whit my twin 127 so far their vanguards? Like I have my backline as vanguard

[real notch]

Yeah cus 45 range on twin 127mm

[real notch]

Mb 60

[leaden sequoia]

60 range on 127mm

[outer stump]

Never expected that offensive has actually and advantage

[real notch]

Yes

[modern tree]

never read pins

[real notch]

Same OMEGALUL

[outer stump]

I said and I will say it again... PvP on this game is so strange

[real notch]

Yeah didn't daxam write a PvP faq in pins

[outer stump]

And pretty bad sometimes

[brittle hill]

1. I only have a +6 410
2. I only have a +6 reppu which is slower than +10 seafang
3. I changed my AA set-up. How should I be minmaxing the AA properly?

[modern tree]

theapgun

[outer stump]

Didn't know that here were pins

[real notch]

Aa is another ballpark but it looks about right

Ufo on belfast is a little unoptimized though

Maybe another bofors

Wait what is that gun on amagi

[brittle hill]

apgun lul

[outer stump]

I wonder how Sirius will be meta in PvP...?

I mean you need 3 CV to maximize her passive

[modern tree]

I think that 2 ufo might be too much so another bofor or 105 instead of it should do it

[real notch]

I mean what is it doing on amagi

[outer stump]

And her torps are the worst

[modern tree]

just a week for 381 left

[brittle hill]

I only have +10 406, +6 410, and +10 apgun to pick from kek

[real notch]

Idk in my opinion Sirius will not be pvp meta

[outer stump]

Some people told me that

[real notch]

That's just my observation

[outer stump]

Or they were talking about pve.

?

[real notch]

Pvp

[modern tree]

406 with 4 IJN works

you can bully Enterprise with it

[brittle hill]

I'll add the Reppu and 410 when I +10 them, until then i'll keep the 406 on Amagi then.

[outer stump]

I still use 410

[real notch]

@brittle hill the speed ur looking at is takeoff speed

[outer stump]

Because someone told me that it can easily the backline

[real notch]

Even at +6 reppuu has faster plane speed

[outer stump]

Now idk how true it is

[brittle hill]

Ok

[outer stump]

Should I use reppu on enty? Or F4U is fine

[real notch]

IMOOOOOOOO

f4u is a really good choice right now

[outer stump]

[real notch]

But the two planes are so close in performance it boils down to what opponents are you fighting the most

[modern tree]

on Enterprise? the skill is never gonna come into play besides psyching out your opponent if they have sound on

OWARI DA

oh its just the pirate

[real notch]

If you are fighting a lot of foxes, the AA boost is pretty good

[outer stump]

When the Owari da bug will get fixed?

[modern tree]

its 8 seconds on launch that happens at 24 which is nowhere

[outer stump]

Is there since the begging of the game

[real notch]

Oh wait you're right @modern tree

[modern tree]

also, it will never get fixed because its not really a bug, its ships treating equipment active skills like their own skills

[real notch]

I forgot ent launches at 24 sec

OMEGALUL

[brittle hill]

Confession: I used to run Enty and Hood, with Hood having the HSFCR and the Twin 380 APgun for the reload increase.

[real notch]

Welp

Use reppuu i guess

[outer stump]

@modern tree ohhh so you mean it's because of F4U?

[brittle hill]

And +10 autoloader

[real notch]

I still use jolly roger on foxes

[modern tree]

on Enterprise you use Reppu because its Reppu or Hellcat if you want to win E duels dues to slightly delayed launch

[real notch]

But for ent, you want reppu

The touchdown dmg is too high

To miss

[outer stump]

So Reppu> F4U?

[real notch]

For ent

Ehh even in the theory crafting community its kind of a toss

Between what fighters to field

[outer stump]

Nah it's pretty slow... I mean I already use Ryuusei which gives me an hard lunch... I will keep F4U just because of the reload

[real notch]

Reload on fighters ingame is not fully accurate

It doesnt note plane speed which is a huge factor

[outer stump]

Huh?

Wait... So the reload is not affected by fighters?

[real notch]

But yea if u wanna speedup launches, vf17 has fastest i believe

[outer stump]

[real notch]

(among 500lb fighters)

Nono, reload = takeoff speed

Unrelated, Vf17 has 50 plane speed

Reppuu has 60

Therefore reppuu is faster in touchdown'ing than vf17

[outer stump]

So the Reppu might be my solution in my case scenario?

Fine I will try it out

But what I will do whit F4U

[real notch]

According to other theorycrafters in the community (doublemint, i think aristya) 2x reppuu is optimal for foxes atm

As for just solo ent, always reppuu

[outer stump]

Does zuikaku or Shoukaku needs it?

[real notch]

Holy shit i was so dumb for not farming a second reppuu

[outer stump]

I didn't know Reppu was farmable

[real notch]

Wait did recluse farm a second reppu or ryuusei

I forget

Oh

Ahhahahahaahahaahyaa

What a noob

Could have farmed god tier fighter instead

Yep

Tho I'm not sure why jp/cn servers use Sakura torps so much

[outer stump]

No worries... The Reruns will come soon

[real notch]

Probably related to the Meta at hand

[outer stump]

As they planned this year

But now I wonder... Wasn't that AA boost of F4U useful a little?

[real notch]

It doesnt make sense to run 1x cuda 1x ryuusei on foxes because you might de-time your simultaneous launch

[vague token]

5% on juneau or whoever might help

[real notch]

But with hiryuu you might want to

[vague token]

5% on aya doesnt do anything

xD

[modern tree]

its not, it's horribly mistimed in every situation except for a mirror

at least for Enterprise

[outer stump]

I use one cuda one ryuusei on foxes and I do pretty well

Their flagship dies pretty easily

[vague token]

they'd have to rework fighter mechanics or something, which would be nice xD

[real notch]

You might wanna check on ur launch timings

U know of the simultaneous launch mechanic right?

[modern tree]

also, biggest boon of the AA boost is plane damage resistance in general

the stat is useless otherwise

[outer stump]

Who cares... The 50% airstrike ahead is more than enough...

[vague token]

yeah, which means that you have to have enough AA for 5% to even make a dent

someone with less than 200 aa wont get much

[outer stump]

One airstrike between 1 sec isn't a problem imo

[vague token]

like what, 2% damage reduc?

xD

[outer stump]

I just get the airstrikes in time

But akagi gets MVP

[modern tree]

its INSAAANE for wasd, but ther's not a single CV that could make it relevant aside for running one fox

[vague token]

oh yeah, because 360 base aa

[real notch]

It is relevant because of aa circle

[vague token]

if it was a flat aa boost that'd be more interesting

you could shore up weaker aa boats without making already strong aa boats silly

[real notch]

The more you spread your "swarm" the more chances you give enemy aa circles to tick

[outer stump]

I just don't like 2 Barracudas... They aren't 100% accurate

[real notch]

Ofc it's a min max thing but it's relevant

[vague token]

2 barracudas are more accurate than gamble ryuusei without a slow

especially if boilers get involved

[outer stump]

Saw people using 2 barracudas deals damage overall to everyone but doesn't manage to kill anyone even on the second airstrike

[vague token]

but most are sleeping on boilers

[outer stump]

It's like too shitty

[modern tree]

isnt AA calculated differently for super huge swarms anyways?

[real notch]

If you field more than 1 CV, their launch timings are compared. If the difference between takeoff are <0.30sec, the CVs will simultaneously strike

Thats the mechanic

Datamined with evidence ofc

@modern tree depends on number of planes in circle

Its calculated the same for <20 planes

Its calculated different for >20

[vague token]

o.O

[real notch]

You won't ever have >20 with twinfox though dw

[outer stump]

And Torps deals 120% to heavy armour.... So better hit something than go on waste

[modern tree]

welcome to AA btw

good old times of triggering entire #gameplay-help with picture of a hellcat

[vague token]

like, maybe i could hit 20 planes with stuka since there are 5

[real notch]

Maybe with hiryuu or some shit or more relevant in pve scenarios (w11-12)

Thats why generally you want to focus on ROF over dmg

[vague token]

oh yeah i guess 2 fighters, 5 stuka, 3 torp would hit 20

[real notch]

In aa calcs

And yes welcome to aa

[vague token]

cuda deploys 3

[brittle hill]

Yeah, afaik the basic jist of AA is you want to pair fast dps guns with slow cannons to even it out? Is there even a comprehensive AA guide anywhere?

[real notch]

Yostar giving u the complexity u never asked for

[outer stump]

Vanguard's are usually light armour which takes 80% damage

[vague token]

use roombas, then a bofors

ez

[real notch]

Uhhhh maybe doublemint made one

Check on him

Otherwise u can ask me

And ill try my best to demistify the shit for u

[brittle hill]

[vague token]

ryuusei only consistent with ark royal

xD

[outer stump]

I just win my games whit that strategy...

[vague token]

if you want to gamble with glass

[outer stump]

Now idk about you

That's my playstile

[vague token]

hmm maybe i should try ark again with sirius

since i wont have to worry about having a squish evade debuff

actually that might be nice

aurora cant survive 23 seconds in current meta but sirius should be able to

=D

[modern tree]

I am going straight back to HMS as soon as I get 381

so fast

[hot creek]

inb4 the gun doesnt show up in shop next month

[outer stump]

381 is the best choice for Pve as I've heard

Now idk

[vague token]

wait wont we get it before next month?

we should be at 500 or w/e

and have a week

[outer stump]

Maybe we will get

[vague token]

what's max core data in 1 day again?

[outer stump]

Dunno what gear awaits in the next mounth

[vague token]

like 60?

250 in 6 days

that's doable

[outer stump]

If the 6 hard stages was still a thing

[vague token]

yeah, then that'll be fine

[outer stump]

Weird number

[vague token]

well it is 53 in a day

that's legit a weird number

hmm, ill probably do dork, amagi, ark, and something for vanguard

that'll be fun and probably bad

xD

[outer stump]

HMS fleet will be pretty noice whit doy now

[vague token]

i usually do mixed fleets so wouldnt know

[outer stump]

I still don't have HMS finished

Still working on KMS

[modern tree]

Dork is irrelevant, its just the equpis that will push HMS

[vague token]

inb4 hey, here's a warspite kai for en

rip meta

[outer stump]

Is better atm tbh

But no one outscales her Kai for sure

[modern tree]

dork is a different warspite and yes, she will do better when hood holds 381 because hood wont need help from anyone to slay fools, but you can still use warspite as flag with hood on bot and it will probably be good

[outer stump]

I think you wanna pick QE for better performance

Now idk

[real notch]

Wait

Fuck 333 in 6 days...

Oh nvm im good

Phew

[modern tree]

internal is 12 seconds, I am unsure if hood can hit that without 120

[real notch]

I have 493

[modern tree]

146 on 200

17.96s

[ionic hill]

what's a good 2nd aux for fortune outside of the toolbox

[modern tree]

good aux for Fortune besides a toolbox is another toolbox/pearl

[vague token]

much lunchboxes

[ionic hill]

[vague token]

doesnt fortune die later for pearl though?

[modern tree]

she has 250 evasion roughly, she needs da health

[vague token]

unless you want it to trigger late

plus you get rng invulns

[modern tree]

I mean, peral is mostly because 500 hp

[vague token]

oh ok

[modern tree]

you can run like

boiler/fire extinguisher/a dildo

I wonder if it starts on cooldown

because gold fcr would make it derp

[ionic hill]

am running extinguisher but idk if i should go the boiler tho

[modern tree]

wait, right, its not as much as the proc

[vague token]

inb4 gold reloader gets added

that'd be fun lol

[modern tree]

Extinguisher and Boiler are mostly good against lots of BBs, just stacking health in current flavour of the month fox meta is probably better

[ionic hill]

i see

[modern tree]

I imagine just hanging on 12seconds is why its called hoodgun

I mean, if you just want to break it, you can use 282skc

for the hell of it

or the blue 305

[brittle hill]

Break good or break bad

[modern tree]

you cant barrage because its on cooldown break

[hot creek]

lol I didnt know it had an ICD

[modern tree]

it has 12 second internal cd and I am not sure if it starts on cooldown

the buff is only 8 seconds so its probably not actually possible to intentionally break it with 381

[vague token]

how the heck does the game choose targets for amagi/bb kaga torps lol

[coral wren]

random mine usually hit backlines though

cos backlines dont move

[vague token]

yeah i dont think she targets vanguard

but it does seem to aim them in waves

so the pairs dont always share targets

[coral wren]

i mean ive had vanguards hit by them but yeah i never noticed if she aims at them or not (at vanguards)

[vague token]

yeah

[shy hazel]

when you're grinding event

u almost forget u still have 2 charges 3 mins before reset

god bless amakaga fast clears

[red nexus]

Is sirius or sheffield valid for hms pvp squad?

[shy hazel]

sirius is okay for ijn akaga backline

hms i doubt so

until centaur is released

sheffield should be good though

[finite valve]

need to swap out belfap which i am not really too keen about

to me sirius is basically a better ayaya

[vague token]

sirius is more of a better sandy

xD

[shy hazel]

wait what

sirius torps is one of her bigger jokes

[red nexus]

So sirius for carrier support and sheffield for hms

[zenith tundra]

sirius base stat are as bad as sandy actually. her saving graces are the barrage and skills compared to sandy

also finally got doy. only took me 9.6k pts and top 50 farmers on avrora....

[odd schooner]

Glad i was out this season

I salvaged every aux on my bb

[zenith tundra]

i only used amagi and kaga bb in the event map as bbs. had to manual sirens and boss in d3 tho

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

Where can i read about internal cd?

[zenith tundra]

internal cd for what?

[hot creek]

Hood's barrage

[coral wren]

^

[dull hollow]

woof

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/cwregv.png
Well, it's going, I guess. Bloody Avrora pvp.

If I can get AotN, that'd be cool, but really I just care about getting the 5-Star Admiral badge right now. So this should do.

As long as I can keep it up.

I loathe sandbagging and absolutely refuse to commit time and energy to such practices.

I don't care enough to super-tryhard for badges.

Well, I'm off to bed. Best of luck with your endeavors, lads. May the unruly gods of AL pvp be ever in your favor, all that.

[coral wren]

Who should carry the badge on hms?

Qe?

Or maybe i could put it on belfast?

[leaden sequoia]

Belfast iirc, since she's a tank

BBs use SG Radar instead, albeit with lower evasion buff

[dull hollow]

eventually u can it to QE