pvp

[buoyant parrot]

and at least 2x trial on same line up and Fleet Power

its hard to tell with just images and no numbers to crunch on

[versed atlas]

most of my back line died quickly and we're still at a similar situation

[buoyant parrot]

if you have recording better do this, record your bombing raid and sum up the damage

[versed atlas]

I'm not trying to give proof

I'm trying to explain so you can understand what I mean

[buoyant parrot]

I get what you mean what I'm saying I dont see any change in damage output as what you are stating

[zenith tundra]

if i find a good amakaga without jintsuu i'll try myself

[buoyant parrot]

as far as my PvP experience its been mostly RNG when I'm in par with same Fleet Power sometimes I had to reset match coz there are times RNG of the opposing side is too good. Sometimes their Amakaga Raid bomb me so hard coz Anti-Air did not trigger same ol same ol 😂

[versed atlas]

Do you run jintsuu?

[buoyant parrot]

I run jintsu yes

I can run the same line up as what you have I have them all in min-max

i can try

[versed atlas]

Well if her existence in the match is what's causing it then I think you wouldn't see it

Well, finding enemies without her is hard too

And then there's RNG involved and what not

It could also be that I'm just imagining things

[buoyant parrot]

its hard to tell, RNG plays a big factor

[zenith tundra]

got this by spamming new opponent

i'll record how much dmg airstrikes do to me

[sturdy mantle]

I have to say my Enterprise in my WASD fleet seems to deal much MUCH less damage now

[zenith tundra]

and then try with jintsuu comps

[versed atlas]

Awesome!

[sturdy mantle]

she used to hit vanguards pretty hard but now she barely scratches them

[zenith tundra]

gonna wait for new season because out of attempts

[odd schooner]

Pretty sure the reason is that some players has already got their pair gold cuda

[sturdy mantle]

where as if I run a foxes comp they cause vanguards to evaporate

[buoyant parrot]

is the enemy vanguard not running any LC with Anti-Air?

[hot creek]

people are starting to gear up

[versed atlas]

Also I'd like to ask about jintsuu + ayaya - what setup do people run on them equipment-wise?

[sturdy mantle]

Aya + Jin + Tago \

[buoyant parrot]

Anti-Air skills when triggered somewhat lessen the damage of Air Raids

[sturdy mantle]

makes no sense why enty does not harm them as much

[versed atlas]

Because I ran into a guy today that had the most brutal opening torps I have ever seen

[zenith tundra]

power wise i never saw a real change plus most of the time is not even maxed out comps

[sturdy mantle]

heck she seems to deal more damage against a smoked belfast

[odd schooner]

Means their eq is at 10 now

Mostly you see them post with +7-9 steam cata a month ago

[versed atlas]

I did a few runs against him and at one point he outright deleted my enterprise with opening torps

[odd schooner]

So I do think a lot of people had already gotten their bis equipment

[versed atlas]

And sometimes my Eldridge would go down in like 3 or 4 torps

[odd schooner]

That's normal

[versed atlas]

I'm just wondering what is he running?

[odd schooner]

I test around ppl like trump

[buoyant parrot]

I usually can take out 1 Vanguard at the 1st second when my Ayanami+Fubuki+Jintsu Torpedo hit a certain Vanguard

[hot creek]

if I'm running Jintsuu Aya meme, it'll be this https://puu.sh/CNVPC/52a0aa6f5c.png

[odd schooner]

It Normally happens

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CNVPR/9f1a85a793.png

but i don't often run aya for offense cause torps are too meme

[buoyant parrot]

Yup Gurren is right it happens. I often trigger that

[versed atlas]

Ohh, the rainbow torp is already on EN?

[buoyant parrot]

with my Ayanami+Fubuki+Jintsu

[hot creek]

only when im too lazy to switch from my defense, cause i run them on defense

[versed atlas]

Okay maybe he's someone with that

[odd schooner]

Now ppl starting to feel the difference on min maxing

[buoyant parrot]

when you get to the top 100 in PvP Ranking you'll be in match with the PvP Active and mostly min-maxed ship. You'll start to understand how stupid the RNG is.

[versed atlas]

I'm wondering if he's not running some kind of hit rate shenanigans that make his torps so much Drake

[hot creek]

rainbow dildo has been on EN since september , visitors dyed in red event

[sturdy mantle]

^

[versed atlas]

Well I've been in top 100 and fought people like that, but they've never had opening torps that deadly

[sturdy mantle]

so it would seem that the torpedo stacking is tarting

[buoyant parrot]

I always does >__<

[versed atlas]

Ah, I didn't play the game back then

[buoyant parrot]

let me show you my Ayanami's Torp Damage

[odd schooner]

Oh right

[versed atlas]

ETH, but when you're attacking you get the damage boost too

[odd schooner]

Ether you have oxy on jintsuu when you're using wasdA right

[versed atlas]

I was attacking him

[buoyant parrot]

Ahh right now? yeah

should be on Jintsu

[odd schooner]

Ye gonna try it

[buoyant parrot]

since she's the only Ship in my Vanguard that has High Torp Damage

[odd schooner]

Gonna put fortune on vacation for a while

[buoyant parrot]

Oxy will be on Ayanami if She's in the line up with Jintsu

[versed atlas]

So should I oath amagi for future-proofing?

[odd schooner]

So i should also slot quint rainbow

But I think she could launch another set with quad

[buoyant parrot]

Ayanami + Fubuki + Jintsu 50% chance to take out 1 Vanuard at the 1st second of the match

[versed atlas]

Cause when nagato comes

[odd schooner]

@versed atlas she's good pve pvp wise

She's probably best bet w10 w11

[buoyant parrot]

don't use Fubuki on def though she sucks lol

[versed atlas]

It's too bad jintsuu skill doesn't work with BB torps

I saw someone do amagi + akaga, but kaga was a bb

[buoyant parrot]

just look at that Torp 549+170 its so ridiculous

[odd schooner]

Ooh jints has 73 more torp than belfast

[buoyant parrot]

imagine if you have 2 Oxy Torp

[versed atlas]

Belfast is ridiculously tanky though

[buoyant parrot]

im not even sure if that stacks

[zenith tundra]

too bad she dies so fast vs foxes tho

they do stack since it's stat boost not passives

[buoyant parrot]

see... very deadly

and DANK AF

[versed atlas]

The goal is to have opening torps that win the match on their own

[buoyant parrot]

yup

[versed atlas]

I mean they kill all the ships!

[buoyant parrot]

that's the goal when you Go Fubuki+ayaya+Jintsu

[versed atlas]

ALL OF THEM

[zenith tundra]

gambling on rngs....

[buoyant parrot]

when you fight someone at 13k+BP their are at min max set up. At that point its all about RNG now... Stupid...

[zenith tundra]

tbh considering how much akaga does i wouldn't even go with torp vg but something else. the problem is that ijn buff amagi needs

[buoyant parrot]

I wonder when Nagato comes out will there be a new Meta line up

[zenith tundra]

wish there would be some other choices for ijn vgs

one end is nakaga other namaga with something that can deal with nakaga

[buoyant parrot]

lol!

Kaga Amagi Nagato?

[zenith tundra]

it could work if u can outlast nakaga

[buoyant parrot]

sounds like you need WASD if you speak of "Outlast"

[zenith tundra]

with hiryuu kai and taihou not in the game would be either kaga bb or hyuuga kai

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm

Kaga BB would be nice

[zenith tundra]

wasd is a natural counter to nakaga but why run the same comp forever

[buoyant parrot]

yeah that's the thing. I can't think of any backline that can outlast that

😂

[zenith tundra]

wasd essex should work great against nakaga but will it work against namaga?

[buoyant parrot]

essex too squishy

[zenith tundra]

she's the best counter in the game for foxes

[buoyant parrot]

I'll try to min max her once she comes out

[odd schooner]

We need another essex

[zenith tundra]

her hp is not that much lower then foxes tho barely 200hp

in pvp

[odd schooner]

That has a skill that halves the planes being sent by enemy on their first strike

[ivory vine]

making another cv to counter cv

seems counterproductive

you need one that would work better against the other bs ijn has

or maybe even ws kai now

but i doubt that anything would really fix that short of something extremely specific

[odd schooner]

Idk. Even sandy can't stop akaga first airstrike right?

[zenith tundra]

the problem is ws kai herself now lol

[odd schooner]

Ye

Akaga officially ded?

[buoyant parrot]

is the snipe really that cancerous?

[ivory vine]

it literally deletes a unit

[zenith tundra]

from what some jp player said nakaga might be a counter to ws kai lol

[odd schooner]

Since most ppl post things like ws + Nagato + wildcard

[buoyant parrot]

prepare for some Belli dura despicio!

[zenith tundra]

ws kai makes the battle 6vs5 10 seconds in

[buoyant parrot]

that's stupid... how do you even prevent that from happening

I guess eldridge and pray for RNG

Operation Rainbow

[zenith tundra]

no counter to that tbh. u can check that dmg on offense with hiryuu kai but any def is dead

[buoyant parrot]

[versed atlas]

Enterprise kai

Problem solved

[zenith tundra]

maybe they should put subs in pvp too

[buoyant parrot]

ooohhh that's interesting

subs on PvP

RNG Sub torpedoes

[ionic magnet]

QE kai - resurrects 1 ship per battle

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[ionic magnet]

make it happen

[versed atlas]

40% chance that enterprise cuts next air strike cooldown by 70%

Why can't I hold all these owari das

[buoyant parrot]

welp gotta watch anime for 2 hours then PvP time again

[zenith tundra]

hope they fix some stuff too with that

so they say

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[hot creek]

damn, thats it for all that waiting? color me dissapointed

what was the point difference and what was your current score?

[odd schooner]

Much better on early days

[shy hazel]

pog season start got maint

and here i thought its time for

Meine Camp

[odd schooner]

Oh

esteh broke the barrier

[modern tree]

So after dropping four games and losing one, I am still within two games off of top 3. The point algorithm seems really fishy also considering the above, where even 400 point differences aren't much at all

[odd schooner]

[versed atlas]

imo the worst part about pvp in this game is the fact that you can restart fights

what they should do is give manual control in pvp, but the moment you go into a match you're in it

[odd schooner]

I thought 40% proccing more than 70

[versed atlas]

if you lose, you lose

also anything above 70% proc rate should be 100%

or maybe even more than 60%

[odd schooner]

Let's just hope they do make some changes during UI patch

[modern tree]

Every time someone says that they should punish restarts, I think back on the evenings when I did like 20 tests per fleet against the same guy, then changed fleets to test more and wonder, what actually motivates you?

[hot creek]

real time pvp where both players manual and glowworm is meta and everyone rushes to the back with x3 DD and x3 boilers to break barrier and facetorp the backliners

[versed atlas]

well, it's never going to happen becaus eit's a mobile game and meant to be casual

[modern tree]

Do you want this shit to be even more of a side activity than it is? Do you want people to just do whatever because 10 charges is really tiny amount and you can just lose to rng ?

[versed atlas]

but you don't do only 10 fights in the pvp "season"

you do a lot more, and rng averages out over that time

the strong players will naturally rise above it

[modern tree]

I am really unsure what are the supposed benefits of killing any fun anyone can have with this mode just to make it "competitive" in a worst possible way

[versed atlas]

because right now the only thing that really happens in pvp

is how much you can stagger your fights out to get maximum points

[odd schooner]

I just want more merit rewards

[modern tree]

What's wrong with this system? You can try things, experiment, run memes, laugh at "meta" fleets being toppled by Monitors, establish winrates, adjust equipment and fleet composition. You will take it all away because you don't like staggering your games?

[hot creek]

the system right now is perfectly fine. and your solution to introduce even more RNG isn't going to make things more fun or competitive whatsover.

[odd schooner]

Ye it's very casual

[versed atlas]

well, right now it seems to me like the overwhelming majority bnarely pvp at all

[odd schooner]

Also doesn't force people who literally hates pvp to do pvp

Is why pvp channel was made

[versed atlas]

maybe the reason they hate pvp is because of the way pvp works?

[odd schooner]

No, from what i got months ago, they just hate it

[versed atlas]

when i first learned of being able to reset pvp fights in this game

i was on the verge of just deleting the app and never touching it again

[shy hazel]

im sure ppl would hate it more without resets

lol

[versed atlas]

because of how stupid of an idea this type of a system is

[shy hazel]

people love their ratios

including me

[vague token]

easy solution, remove reset, add friend/guild battles

[versed atlas]

well no, it's not easy

[vague token]

i mean design wise

[shy hazel]

why do you want me to lose battles that can give me more

[versed atlas]

because then people would complain about how they constantly get ruined by bad RNG

[shy hazel]

purins

[odd schooner]

Hope they add more stuff tho

[shy hazel]

pogchamp

[modern tree]

I think that people would hate pvp a lot more if they had 0 control over it, and had to run only the fully oathed meta memes to circumvent rng to even have a chance to win

[odd schooner]

Than just removing reset

[shy hazel]

just make guild vs guild

[vague token]

i mean, then they should balance ships lol, but since pvp is a casual farm

that isnt going to happen

[shy hazel]

30 ships vs 30 ships

[lunar veldt]

"Guild"

[shy hazel]

lul

one ship per player

pogchamp

[odd schooner]

They did mention about coop system last December

[shy hazel]

30 jintsuus

[vague token]

would be a waste

skill wouldnt stack

you'd want as many different skill ships as possible

[hot creek]

real time manual pvp is the dream

[shy hazel]

thenn

15 pairs of foxes

[lunar veldt]

Esports Azur Lane

Manual pvp

Haha yes

[vague token]

15 pairs of foxes is wasting a bunch of carrier buffs

xD

[shy hazel]

thatll be memey

well need an auto match system

just manual vs manual

then theres the lag problem

[modern tree]

I agree that the current 20 character friend chat and 300 gems chatroom are rather poor social features and they could easily do something there, but killing pvp for it is probably not the best idea

[hot creek]

just have a dupe limit for guild fights so no x15 fox shenanigans

[vague token]

i mean, someone has to bite the bullet

to make it competitive

[shy hazel]

hey i need pvp for my purins

ill screw anyone who screws my purins

pls

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel you will experience bulin issue more than purin as you progress

[shy hazel]

what are u saying

im alrdy experiencing it

[modern tree]

This game doesn't have a netcode. It communicates with the server at the speed of emails, lawl

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

Manual vs manual is a pipe dream

[shy hazel]

manual vs auto maybe

[odd schooner]

Very convenient

[shy hazel]

but manual vs manual

[odd schooner]

For H+ below data

[lunar veldt]

Lol auto ship skills would ve useless

[shy hazel]

what is this

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

pc game

the ping will kill u

pogchamp

[lunar veldt]

Like Belfast smoke can be easily avoided

[shy hazel]

why the fk did he tele

[lunar veldt]

Since it is auto

[shy hazel]

nope its just your net being potato

[vague token]

lol

[lunar veldt]

Fast ships would be meta if it's manual pvp

[dull hollow]

ive hit the point

where i'm so dominant in pvp

i should start making meme comps

that try to keep junny

alive at all costs

[vague token]

you could just protec junny and not use her

;)

[modern tree]

Keep her in dock to keep her alive

[dull hollow]

everytime i hard win and only 1 backliner left

[shy hazel]

pls

[dull hollow]

junny dies

JUNNY NOOOOOOOO

[shy hazel]

not killing juneau is like rejecting jesus salvation

[dull hollow]

i have become cancer the destroyer of balance

[lunar veldt]

Morgami instead of sanrui?

[dull hollow]

fun fact i lost to a SKK/ZKK comp once because warspite missed both her first shots

[idle python]

he needs mogami for 4 ijn

[shy hazel]

pog

[idle python]

since he's running ws

[lunar veldt]

Yeah I thought so

Since ws

Instead of ryuu

Not bad

[dull hollow]

hiryuu comp is dead and gone

🚮

[livid fractal]

I lost one game this season.. But that 2600 dream

[dull hollow]

everytime i fight hiryuu she's stuck there alone

with 1 HP

vs 5 (or 6) members

turns out a solo CV without any significant stat boost or pairing isn't actually that useful

i love the people who just blind equip her with ryuusei

"oh no you've selected my flagship"

"oh no you did 1k per torp"

[lunar veldt]

[dull hollow]

some cn idiot suggests ryuusei and that's all u ever see on hiryuu

amazing

[odd schooner]

If famine won't get hit by mines, he's probably 2607+

[dull hollow]

sometims I see 818 hiryuu and I regain faith

[odd schooner]

He was 2507 earlier

[dull hollow]

818 hiryuu is the way to go

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

what was the highest score ever

[dull hollow]

or any solo CV really

[odd schooner]

2607

[livid fractal]

2608 I think

[dull hollow]

solo CV gets relegated to utility bot in the future

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

There's a 2608?

[shy hazel]

so esteh wins this season

[odd schooner]

Kamita last season did 2607

[lunar veldt]

So where is our UR CV?

We left UR DD abd CV

[odd schooner]

Not yet stella. Famine is gonna do his 10 minutes before

Super sandbag lmao

[shy hazel]

ur graf zep soon pogchamp

[lunar veldt]

Can't sait for UR subs

[hot creek]

gib VIctorious UR retro plz

[nova storm]

Retrofit Akaga as our CV URS

[shy hazel]

srsly what a scum(sand)baggrr

[dull hollow]

enterprise historically should get at retro

[shy hazel]

[lunar veldt]

Enterprise kai so that doode on Twitter can stfu

[dull hollow]

she was just a meh ship with godtier luck

but she did get

quite a broken retro

towards the end of the war

[modern tree]

Kaga is already a retrofit

[shy hazel]

but uss and hms alrdy has ur

[dull hollow]

fuck the rools

[shy hazel]

ijn and kms needs one

pog

[dull hollow]

KMS retro will be Bismarc release

[hot creek]

Just make Victorious skill do 300% against BB and we gucci

[idle python]

kms will probably get some retro that still does nothing

[lunar veldt]

Nah

[livid fractal]

@odd schooner yah I think it was Kamita.. probably 2607

[odd schooner]

Last season

[lunar veldt]

PR kms

Would be Bismarck

[odd schooner]

Also famine lvls up by 2 every 14 days

Lmao

[vague token]

o.O

[odd schooner]

He's currently 110

[ionic magnet]

2607 dios mio

[modern tree]

I thought that my 2605 one season was the best anyone can do

[idle python]

what level is the algota hiyate guy or however you spell his name

[vague token]

i mean, if he only plays al, all the power to the guy

[odd schooner]

Agito?

[vague token]

xD

[livid fractal]

agito hayate

[idle python]

something like that

[shy hazel]

will we see famine doing 2618

or 2612

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CNYgh/a12de81cda.png wew. 3 people snuck passed me. I slept on Sandy this season, shouldn't have blown my pvps so fast the past two resets

[odd schooner]

Wonder if famine will actually push

I don't see him

[shy hazel]

famine in top 2?

[odd schooner]

Oh he's pushing now

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Also Kamita

[ionic magnet]

[odd schooner]

Ultra sandbagging

[ionic magnet]

last 10 mins really

[hot creek]

pushing in last 10 mins of season

true sand bagger

[shy hazel]

someone take ss of final minute

lul

[idle python]

tfw sandy top 3 has lower top 3 than my cn server that I thought was ded

[odd schooner]

Kamita 2605

Famine left

[idle python]

proof that every en server except avrora was dead from the start

[odd schooner]

Is he gonna break his consistent 2602

[shy hazel]

avrora pvp is real pvp

[ionic magnet]

tryhards

[idle python]

I think barbarossa server had a season once where 2520 was the highest after one of the pvp season

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

I won't argue with Sandy being dead

[hot creek]

Sandy a shit. I can't even break 2600 if I wanted to cause scores are so low on average, I just end up eating +9s even at 6/10 charges

[modern tree]

If I can be in top 50 in collection rating, anyone can

[livid fractal]

2606 monkagiga

[livid fractal]

[shy hazel]

rip kamita

pogchamp

[ionic magnet]

[idle python]

my server be like: "we don't give a shit about gensui rush but we care about finishing at the top at the end of season"

at gensui rush there's always one person who's like 50 points ahead of everyone else

[odd schooner]

Solo kun

[shy hazel]

[livid fractal]

I always take gensui rush cause there's no way I will get it in last minute.

[vague token]

wait... which maintenance was today? xD

[livid fractal]

[shy hazel]

yea lol

i dont see myself competing with those

[odd schooner]

Pricing maintenance

[shy hazel]

scumbaggers

[odd schooner]

30 minutes

[shy hazel]

anyways ggwp this season

got gensui so im happy this season

ended at top 49

[idle python]

someday I'll remember to do all my pvp tries and not lose a single one

the one time I did complete all my pvp tries I lost once before I got gensui and lost one after I got it because I trusted yukikaze too much

[vague token]

trusting the 25% odds

xD

[idle python]

surprising when you get ykkz vs akaga alone airstrikes barely do any damage to you

[vague token]

ah

[idle python]

so I decided to take the gamble since ykkz normally comes out on top and it just didn't work out that time

[odd schooner]

Ah the waiting game

[shy hazel]

meine camping

[runic iron]

Is Yuudachi any good? I don't see ppl using her often.

[shy hazel]

ayanami kai is better than yuudachi

its not that she's bad

she's just powercreeped

[runic iron]

poi>belfap or belfap>poi

Belfap + Ayanami Kai + Z23 Kai, is my current set up. any recommendation to replaces Z23

[shy hazel]

do u have aurora

[runic iron]

Sadly no

[shy hazel]

try to 100 amagi if wanna pvp

amagi foxes + yuudachi if u wanna play her

then put ayanami and belfast

until u get aurora and jintsu

id say just remove poi and put juneau

but preferences comes first

depends on u

[runic iron]

is juneau any good

[shy hazel]

shes the jesus of pvp

[clear cloud]

how much rank difference do you all recommended to start fight

[shy hazel]

i just start as soon as i get a 1-1.5k gap

[runic iron]

Amagi + Akaga or Hood + Fallen Wing? cuz Fallen wing as been shreking me

@shy hazel

[shy hazel]

that's old meta

just use foxes

foxes + amagi

i mean

what fallen wing

vanguard ships?

[runic iron]

Washington + South Dakota

[shy hazel]

fallen win refers to washington sd noca mostly

in pvp

id say

just use the current ijn meta

assuming u have foxes at max skill

[runic iron]

yea

[shy hazel]

its not as great without aurora and jintsu

but its workable

do you have cubes right now

we'll probably have a boobship named sirius in winter crown event

roll her and max skill her asap

she'll be a good ship for foxes

a cheaper kind of aurora

[runic iron]

aurora comes when?

[shy hazel]

aurora is always in light build

this pretty lady

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Aurora

[finite valve]

aurora jintsuu sirius

more like to get quick win

i mean i can still win vs an aurora lel

just need good RNG and a bit of reset

been the case since day 1 of amagi

was using wasd enty back then

my mvp switch around all the time

sometimes is foxes / amagi / jintsuu

[shy hazel]

i used wash ama ent just 2 seasons ago and got gensui

pvp isnt that hard

just reset pog

[finite valve]

well yeh like i said reset and good rng lol

[shy hazel]

probably torp slap

[finite valve]

since everyone and their mother use jintsuu in pvp

anything with a good torp stat = good

lel

[shy hazel]

thats like

so hard to use in pvp lol

you literally need to torpslap

i just use rainbow, quad gold and quint mag

[finite valve]

should have farm d1 of chess and sp3 of spee lel

[shy hazel]

although id prefer another quad mag

cos its more powerful

let me tell u a funny thing

i did all my spee runs

i didnt get a single

piece

pogchamp

of the damn bp

my guild mate just told me he alrdy built one

i was like what

it drop in spee event

i didnt even know

[finite valve]

well what about chess d1?

or you busy d4 for z46?

[shy hazel]

i farmed d4 yeah

[runic iron]

i missed both spee and deutschland...and now i wanna kms

[shy hazel]

i got all ships early and wanted dupes so lol

[finite valve]

dk if i should be grateful for 400 cubes 1 graf and 7 z46

since that is what help me to do d1 lel

[shy hazel]

im so bitter rn

200 cubes no hatsushimo

pogchamp

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

im gonna give up my 100% completion for now

[shell helm]

at least your 400 got you 1 right

[finite valve]

never really a fan of 100%

especially with china twin

22 gold bp to be good

nty

[shy hazel]

i got all ships since avrora so really bitter

lol

[analog hare]

[shy hazel]

i mean i planned to buy gems

to roll hatsushimo

[finite valve]

i am going to kai them last

[shy hazel]

but not wil wc so near

[coral wren]

200 cubes no hatsushimo
Meanwhile in manjew hq
Ha! Got em!

[shy hazel]

pogchamp

[finite valve]

no gold or bp to waste on them

[shy hazel]

im at liek

50 cubes rn

ill buy 200 for now

for winter crown

[finite valve]

rich moma boi i see

[shy hazel]

im not spending a single sheckel on hatsushimo

for now

[coral wren]

I spent around 50 just to be sure hatsushime is a pure bait

[shy hazel]

i work what u talking about

[finite valve]

200 is still meh for me

like how much for 200 cubes?

[shy hazel]

only about 120 dollars

[finite valve]

nah i am good

[shy hazel]

i spent more on german event

[finite valve]

going to whale for slots

[shy hazel]

i spent 300 i think

[finite valve]

ty for keeping the server alive

[coral wren]

lol

[shy hazel]

just

buy slot per event

about 30 slots

cos its annoying to keep dupes

its like u want to get 1 graf

[finite valve]

just whale all the slot now and stop thinking about it lol

[shy hazel]

then u get mlb of all ships

with extras

[finite valve]

about 1k is good

[shy hazel]

this cny event is cancer too

pog

tons of cubes before mullany

now pink bitch wont appear

still bitter

zzz

[finite valve]

60 cubes for all NY ship

100 cubes for smug loli

zzz

[shy hazel]

cny just took me 240 over all

shit luck lul

[finite valve]

and here i thought my 400 for 1 graf was bad

RIP

[charred raptor]

save your cubes, 3 days before the next major event

[shy hazel]

yeah thats why i wont bother for pink smug bitch loli anymore

im just getting really triggered

[coral wren]

thank goodness they aren't baiting for cubes with good ships

[leaden jay]

Eldridge is still very powerful whenever I'm put up against it

[pearl nimbus]

^

I used to hate Eld, but now she's just a joke thanks to AmaKaga

[leaden jay]

What about her invincibility for the frontline for 8 seconds

Eldridge is powerful because of the invincibility, right?

how does Amagi counter invincibility proccing?

[clear cloud]

her skill has 20s cooldown that trigger at start
akaga has fastest first attack

[leaden jay]

That's assuming Akaga nukes frontline under 20 seconds

[pearl nimbus]

I mean Amagi barrage also nukes frontline

Shit hurts man.

[solar coral]

eldridge was also used to block enty airstrike

[clear cloud]

25% attk buff, torp frontline, akaga backline
eldridge dies before 20s

[pearl nimbus]

Enty is kinda eh rn. That's the funny thing.

Like even on Wasd comps I still think Amagi or Hood would be the better choice.

Enty just dies to Amakaga and any rando torps from your typical torp frontline

and even if her airstrike does go off so long as you have a Pearl Tear and/or Juneanu you're all good.

[ionic magnet]

that is why you use juneau with enty

[leaden jay]

Wait, where is that guide with the PvP lineups

[ionic magnet]

im using enty and i got no problem against any amakagas

[pearl nimbus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=107416187412503759354

Have fun

[leaden jay]

Thanks

[clear cloud]

if my WASD + E frontline can tank their 1st 20s attack
Amakaga just melts after that

[leaden jay]

I mean, I've beat lineups with Enty WashDakota

[pearl nimbus]

Amagi is just broken. Just wait until Nagato and Yuki get released for EN

Japanese superiority.

[ionic magnet]

bottomline is that any decent lineup can work

[clear cloud]

problem is currently frontline not tanky enough need yukikaze sama

[pearl nimbus]

we also need 120

cause CAs are kinda awful rn

[ionic magnet]

amakaga just wins faster on average

[pearl nimbus]

Port kai isn't awful but she could be much better.

[coral wren]

port is good for pve though

how about saratoga?

double dive seems interesting

[leaden jay]

So the BB Kaga isn't used at all?

[pearl nimbus]

BB Kaga in PvP is kinda just a meme

I mean her squishiness aside her barrage proc chance is too low to make her a reliable damage source, and then you factor in her torp skill which is only really useful for PvE anyways.

[leaden jay]

Okay o~o

[pearl nimbus]

You can still use her, she's just not great.

I've tried on my Amakaga comp but there's literally no reason not to just run CV Kaga instead

and if you want a solo barrage BB/BC just run Washy or Hood.

[leaden jay]

Okay, thanks

[outer stump]

100mm or 127mm for Z46?

[coral wren]

blue 76

[modern tree]

I would use 100mm on the z series, except for z1 that has trash barrage and is probably better off with 120 or twin 127

Actually, it's new season and it's time for fresh memes so I will try z1 and z46 with Jintsuu and Zeppelin for the hell of it

It can't possibly be bad, it has Jintsuu and high torps

Also, Baga with Amagi and Akagi is competent, just tad more rng than running a carrier because barrage is low chance and bb guns tend to have accuracy issues. You can probably run it and get away with it as long as you accept that running into more than one cv, which is not uncommon, probably will make you reset a bunch due to IJN signature terrible AA

[hybrid tendon]

I dont want to use her

[zenith tundra]

just use a comp where u don't need her

[modern tree]

Use Sandy instead, they're basically the same boats

Also, lvl 100 with maxed skills at Stranger is incomprehensible to me. How much time did it take to rise this boat you still have no interest in using?

[zenith tundra]

using jesus in pve is a waste of oil tho

[modern tree]

Shes great in w10. Why run ar ship just to keep your backline healed if you can clear couple of nodes with Juneau, sink her and finish the clear without her with a discount

[zenith tundra]

for 9 oil i can use laffey and make my clear faster and need less heal

[modern tree]

Because playing on manual is for people with time that I don't have and sustaining backline pressure on auto before danger level was pretty damn hard so you needed either AR or a huge heal and out of the two, Juneau is not only more useful, it's also cheaper, especially after she sank

Obviously shes easier to apply in pvp and sinking your ships in pve is for nerds, but turns out I am a nerd

Danger level kind of makes things boring cuz creative shit like this can just be replaced by running a full fleet until the game lets you play 2:1 again

[coral wren]

I find it hard to find boats to give blue skill books to, so I'm not in the least bit surprised about a boat at stranger with two blue skills maxed

[modern tree]

I don't get it mostly because academy is the true progression barrier and using a slot for a blue book just because you have them seems rather inefficient, especially for a boat you aren't using

[dull hollow]

Time2meme

[modern tree]

Nep is already out there

[finite valve]

why would you put WS in mid?

[modern tree]

she shells top row if shes flagship

not like it matters what she shells

[dull hollow]

Lulw

[modern tree]

its ws kai

[dull hollow]

This comp actually

So much better than nagaka

Lul just killed a ykkz with wsk skill

[serene knot]

i'm setting up my amakaga frontline (finally dropped akagi)

is it still preferable a turtle frontline (like belfap, eldridge + juenau)
or torp meme can be better? (jintsuu kai, ayanami, aurora)

or a mix of those?

[finite valve]

torp is when you want to RNG nuking front

[dull hollow]

EN has no good turtle options yet might as well torp meme for the time being

understand that turtling becomes superior eventually

but for now it's a case of "nothing better to use"

like you could try Portkai Befast and Junny

i think some people said it works okay

[serene knot]

Hmmm makes sense. I thought eldridge was like godlike for tutle squad. But from what i've read, amakaga and aurora breaks her. Maybe RNG nuking front can yield good results indeed. But i definitely could try that turtle comp you said. But i feel like topr meme can be at least faster to clear

[coral wren]

is it better to wait until 10 pvp uses and stay at 5 or use 5 now

[coral wren]

sandy server isnt that great so im thinking it might be easier to stay at the back ish

the amount of people near the top isnt that much sadly

id never drop below like rank 500 even going up to 10 pvp attempts

[modern tree]

Sandy is not a real server because its ALMOST easier to farm points when you are a game down

not enough people play

[coral wren]

avrora jealous i could top 10 every season without fail

only 2 or 3 people from sandy manage to get 2200 on the rush reset

its that bad

[modern tree]

people just dont go for it

[coral wren]

im only doing it to get it on my profile once then ill go back to afk doing it

[modern tree]

players that farm dont have to because they will get it later by just playing down to 5/10 before reset, everyone else just maybe doesnt care?

[coral wren]

sandy probably needs a server merger

[modern tree]

I dont think it's that bad, we still have easily like 20k players or so, not enough care about pvp tho. I probably wouldnt either if I was just a casual boat collector because top ranks are just all sweaty nerds with akagas. It's probably not much fun unless you have ships put together specifically to deal with this trash

[coral wren]

well yeah i use amakagi as well

gotta beat them at their own game

i am a collector which is why im trying to get the pvp top 10 badge too as a collection

[modern tree]

I'm special

[hot creek]

tfw you picked Sandy server cause "lul Sandy numba wan" memes

[modern tree]

I ended up on Sandy because I had no clue what I was doing. As far as I knew, this was indeed a phone game and it had Kaga in it

[coral wren]

yeah i just clicked play

people told me server didnt matter

so i just went to sandy

[stoic vector]

wait do you lose battles if you attack during reset lol

i only have 4 battles and i have only attacked once lol

[modern tree]

restart the game

[stoic vector]

ah thnx

[modern tree]

because the game just sets your attempts to 5/10 on reset, no matter what, and it syncs with the server on restart

[stoic vector]

rate my trash pvp fleet thank

[modern tree]

Should look to replace Sara, since her launch is slow, arty fire misses a lot and frontline buff has no impact, and Laffey, since DD gun damage will never be as relevant in pvp as it is in pve. Otherwise it's okay, shouldnt be too hard to farm merits with this

[stoic vector]

yeah i should replace sara but somehow everytime she hits enty right after lucky e (underleveled equip ftw)
what should i replace Laffey with (i'm hq lvl 56 so i have barely anything leveled)

[modern tree]

You can go full meme, get Helena and just RNG your way to win. Cleve is a stable choice that will not hamper your pve ability

Portland Kai s the same story, strong pve, fits this team a lil bit

[stoic vector]

Cleveland
is at lvl 1 rn
rip

[dull hollow]

man how long will it take EN to realise that belfast is actually a terrible ship in pve

[modern tree]

who uses belfast in pve

[stoic vector]

do have lvl 70 Helena with lvl 9 skill is she worth using in pvp rn

[dull hollow]

u see so many ppl with her stuffed in her fleet

in their*

[modern tree]

I am pretty sure its just her huge tits

[dull hollow]

cursed

[finite valve]

well i sometimes use her as tank for event

so there's that

[dull hollow]

belfast kai

soon

[vague token]

o.o

[modern tree]

lvl 70 is dice-y She will take a lot more damage due to lvl differences and her stats are low

[toxic locust]

I mean she is okay not like you need to min-max on pve

Yeah good efficiency and higher than normal cl torp stats

people use her because they like her

[modern tree]

last time I used belfast was in my hms boss fleet for 10-4 because I was stacking smokes for easy auto, but I mostly just use Leaner/Edinburgh because both of those are cheaper and better at different things

[finite valve]

well since they didn't fail us yet on making SR kai useable in their respective filed

just hope belfap got the same treatment

[modern tree]

shes not getting a kai

[toxic locust]

it won't be anytime soon

[finite valve]

dk if they going to gear her toward pvp or pve tho

[toxic locust]

Even if she does

[vague token]

why would belfast get a kai before any other ssr that needs help

[toxic locust]

there are worse SRs that needs kai than her

She is alright

While you can't say same for some others

[finite valve]

like pudding?

[vague token]

honestly id rather we get another ship that has her smoke

so we could have some variety against foxes

[finite valve]

thought pudding was the second most needed a kai

not warshit

[toxic locust]

prinz might be next or some ijn sr

Who knows

[finite valve]

at least JP CA can still do their job

pudding ain't even got a place in the fleet

[vague token]

give prinz belfast smoke and damage stats? xD

[modern tree]

Eugen is not getting a kai either, shes used and has a niche. only UR kais we got were for actual meme ships

[dull hollow]

eventually frontliner tanks become so good at their job that

belfast smoke is not needed

she's a dead ship

[finite valve]

since when did WS a meme?

[dull hollow]

even in pvp

[vague token]

i mean, didnt pvp move away from akaga because of amagi/nagato anyways

xD

[dull hollow]

also with the death of akaga belfast usage even less useful

[vague token]

yeah

[dull hollow]

akaga + warspite is a really funny comp

and is way better than nagaka

when 1 loli ousts another

flat civil war

[finite valve]

if you really want a snip comp use her with hms

[modern tree]

battle of grandmas that look underage

[finite valve]

i like seeing hms gang bang foxes

[dull hollow]

hms u dont play snipe

snipe strat is pretty awful since u waste a lot of dps

always put monarch and warspite on different targets

[finite valve]

ah monarch

[dull hollow]

the only time you play snipe is if the enemy leaves their warspite topside

[finite valve]

ain't DOY better for a snip comp?

[dull hollow]

then ur forced into running snipe

no

lol

[finite valve]

since her shot increase damage taken

[dull hollow]

Monarch and Warspite already want to shoot early

and doy always wants 406 to maximize her skill

DoY not good in pvp

[finite valve]

i don't see no problem with it?

well snip comp is for 3 v 2

so you still winning

unless your front get rekt

[dull hollow]

warspite alone pretty much ensures a 3v2

so you want to leave monarch in another lane

[finite valve]

really?

[dull hollow]

yes

lol

[finite valve]

since i don't play JP

dk the number lel

[dull hollow]

you dont need to stack warspite and monarch

it's a waste of dps

if you leave monarch in a 2nd lane you ensure 3v1 basically

[finite valve]

remember that most of us here play EN only

[dull hollow]

the only time u play snipe is amagi nagato warspite

[modern tree]

Its just the thing that Divine Marksman hits so hard and then half of the Warspite/Monarch shots will go to the target to finish them off

[dull hollow]

because

it's enforced

you need nagato in midlane

but amagi isnt really a sniper

she's just global pressure

so it's still fine

[finite valve]

so who to snip first

their WS or amagi?

[dull hollow]

okay that's a rigged screenshot

you will never do that vs a 120 enty

this enty is below 120

you will leave her with 10% hp granted

but u wont get a full deletion

also

warspite functionally operates

[finite valve]

well 10% + incoming gang bang = gg already

[dull hollow]

simiarly to monarch and hood

because her hit rate

on the barrage

is low enough

that it's like a 60 or 70% that both hite

[modern tree]

Warspite has so much luck and she still cant hit shit

[dull hollow]

even with FCR it's low enough that it's like w/e

but even with 1/2 hit it's a lot of dominance in firepower

namagi and hms have issues clearning up

Akaga strike kills w/e u hit

thru suicide plane damage

still need to test EssexE and FW

but I'm not holding my breath

[finite valve]

who in FW?

wash?

[wind orbit]

Why do people in pvp swap tbtsk on Aurora for a belgun?

[modern tree]

HE is a better ammo type, Bracket fire is less of a hindrance when everything moves around constantly, fire damage is really stupid strong

[finite valve]

tfw you have enough belgun to filed 4 fleet with spares

[wind orbit]

Juneau should use a belgun too?

[modern tree]

Every FRONT LINE ship that can use DD guns should use DD guns

[finite valve]

@wind orbit https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true#

[wind orbit]

Oh right, forgot about that

[finite valve]

granted that link is for JP but hey just use what you got

[modern tree]

I wonder if they gave up on updating this because pvp is a clusterfuck after amagi and ws kai back to back

[wind orbit]

wow that spreadsheet is awesome!

[finite valve]

tbh what is there to update really?

front remain unchange

back is just use whatever t0 for pvp

[modern tree]

nowhere in this sheet there is a definition of what "t0 for pvp" would be

assuming people would come there with pirior knowledge of the meta is foolish

[wind orbit]

Mmh why do they recommend the 113mm ufo on everyone but the two CA 🤔

[coral wren]

Will we keep using Aurora after Sendai is obtainable?

[finite valve]

i think most ppl here in #pvp already know what t0 consist of

[modern tree]

which is why I am wondering if they are working on an update or letting things settle down

[finite valve]

well they can just ask can they?

i mean most already know

if they don't they can just ask

i see no problem

@coral wren you use her + aurora

[vague token]

i cant remember, is the atlanta class the only CL class that can use DD guns?

or were there other ones

[modern tree]

Sirius

[vague token]

oh she's her own cl class?

neat

[coral wren]

ty Phantom

gonna get her to 200 aff then

[finite valve]

also is air panda not in this server?

can just ask him about updating if you see no progress

unless he quit already

[warm tide]

I have a question...... is it worth losing to high lvl players on purpose just to get the exp? Cause i earn more losing than winning against equal lvl players

[modern tree]

only ship levels matter for exp so if you dont care about farming merits, you ought to seek out full lvl 100 fleets to beat/lose to to maximize exp gains

I dont know if I'd recommend playing this way

[warm tide]

lol ok i just started like 5 days ago and my ships are all weak...... trying to get stuff to max lvl b4 i limit break them

i guess il focus on the actual merits later......

[modern tree]

its just that losing a lot is bound to leave you down in the dumps of the ladder where you will not be able to find many opponents with higher level fleets to fight for exp

so that kind of tactic burns out a little bit as the season progresses

[warm tide]

i only figured it out today idk why all the lvl 70s are down with the lvl 30s.....

idk i found like 3 lvl 100 amagi fleets in a row...

[leaden sequoia]

In early game I recommend using PvP as a "free" EXP farmground since you don't have powerful enough fleet and gears to compete

[modern tree]

season re-started today so a lot of people will be down at the bottom ranks camping for points

[warm tide]

i c then

for a fleet would u recommend unicorn - arizona - enterprise back?

thats what im using rn

[leaden sequoia]

Those are all solid choices for PvE, so I'd level them, yeah

For competing in PvP, Enterprise is a notable one in that group, so you probably want to invest into her Lucky E skill a bit

[warm tide]

yeah i have it lvl 5 rn.... the whole PvP for me is basically who can spam air fleets the fastest

[leaden sequoia]

Weaker fleets tend to have more carriers than battleships/battlecruisers because these are easier to obtain early on (if you don't spam heavy construction)

You'll see more BB/BC later when you rank up high enough

[warm tide]

ok then.... i guess i have to lvl up laffey or smth like her cause javelin is completely useless in PvP sigh

[modern tree]

Dont talk about my wife like that

[warm tide]

sorry~~ but shes good in PvE haha

i thought we werent allowed to talk bout that in this server

i was gonna ask how to beat SP2

[modern tree]

Javelin just requires a very specific setup that also requires a little bit of luck to pull off, because her barrage buff is really good, but also reallllly short

[warm tide]

hmm

well i have her at lvl 67 at 2 stars

[leaden sequoia]

The boundaries are a bit blurry when it comes to discussing something applicable to both PvE and PvP, idk

[modern tree]

You will end up getting all the starters to mlb to get Ayanami from collection, so you are already ahead

[warm tide]

thats nice....

welp 12k oil to farm 3-4 for me then

thx for the info

[leaden sequoia]

I'd rather go for highest worlds you can beat to farm EXP fast, but YMMV

[warm tide]

currently im doing 3-3 until auto battle succeeds in killing everything easily

i guess thats my hint for moving on

[leaden sequoia]

In the beginning I tried to manual everything because AI was too dumb

This way I can beat higher worlds than auto

[warm tide]

auto really is bad.... they let planes and torepedo boats get by

[leaden sequoia]

Yeah, I only use auto when I'm sure my fleet is strong enough to shrug those things off as a small nuisance

[vague token]

i still see fox fleets with helena

i dont understand

[leaden sequoia]

It wasn't until my 3rd fleet that I got serious in PvP too, until then my ships were not meta enough and my gear was trash, especially on BBs

[modern tree]

I got my first aotn with Rodney Enterprise Unicorn with Indie Port Phoenix front, no equipment at 10 #Sandy

I imagine it is impossible now on all servers but Wash maybe, too late for memes

[leaden sequoia]

much weaker flex, but Admiral with QE/Rodney/Enty/Belfast/Javelin/Leander Kai on Washy with 6 missed attempts and 4-5 losses, mostly against AkagaE or WaSD E

[modern tree]

I still think Warspite barrage is good in pve, it just requires you to run her against specific nodes so it times correctly, or specific bosses, its effort hopes and planning

Shit like w7 for example is just hell for Warspite, everything is destroyers or light cruisers, nothing to kill even if she hits

[leaden sequoia]

Yorktown's retaliation skill works well for spamming more planes, actually, it's just she needs to get hit to trigger the skill

[modern tree]

I wanted to once, but I barely have time to play on Sandy and I made my attack number a competition against Phoenix so fuck

I played when Yorktowns retaliation sent planes only when she was rescued, good times

by which I mean, that was some dumb shit

[zenith tundra]

6k attacking a 1.7k and only got 30 pts. is it normal?

[hot creek]

depends. what division were you in previously

[zenith tundra]

i had 60pts

[hot creek]

seems kinda low to me but still within possibility

this early in season the difference in points between something like r1.5k to r100 could be massive while difference between r1.5k vs r6k might not be much

[zenith tundra]

and now with 90 pts instead of 60 still 6k lol

[shy hazel]

if u ask me

[leaden sequoia]

Captain is the last rank before 10 points, right?

Then it's 12

[shy hazel]

as long as your opponent is top 50 and u only on rank 3k

u still get 38 points

on private rank

leftmost rankings matters too

[leaden sequoia]

28 base + 10 bonus, not bad

that means 350 points diff

it can mean either a bonus point cap, or each next bonus point requires more point difference than the previous one

35 * 14 = 490, so if there is a hard cap, it is 500 difference, I guess

as a reasonable round number close to 490

[wind orbit]

Should I use gold quint magnetic torps or gold quad magnetic torps in pvp?

Mmh, makes sense indeed, so faster reload over little dmg boost

[ionic magnet]

im actually a fan of quints now

they are more consistent in dealing dmg during initial torps

and thats all i need to win most of the time

still depends on your fleet but thats it for me

[wind orbit]

Isn't the difference 50° vs 60° spread

I feel like if the quads are gonna miss, 10% isn't gonna make a huge difference tho

[modern tree]

I am slowly convincing myself that running rainbow quints, quints and quads is the optimal choice because the launches become staggered enough that second wave of quad torps will most likely finish off whatever is left of the frontline, then you have rainbow quints coming to do that job if the quads didnt, or they launch halfway on the way to the backline, hitting all of them, and then you have gold quints that either burst whatevrr backline ship your front is humping atm or launch on the way to the backline if you needed rainbow torps to finish the job. It SEEMS to work in practice, the launch staggering thing, I am just not QUITE sure if this is the best you can do with the torp setup

Jintsuu is a stupid ship tho and EN could really use some boats that can even contest how powerful she really is

and this setup sort of requires your slowest launch boat to not be up front because then shes just gonna eat BB fire and sink before doing anything, but that's a minor inconvenience

[shy hazel]

i use same torps

i clean up alot of vgs p neat

[odd schooner]

I was initially using same setup but i want to bully wasdE fleets so i went double quad

[wind orbit]

The problem is that one of them is Juneau, so she needs to survive long enough to the 2nd wave, but die right after to heal the backline

[odd schooner]

Problem with quint is that when you're far top or bottom, 2/5 will surely hit nothing but quad can do torpedo drift and will hit top/bottom main fleet

Let's make it 2/5

[wind orbit]

Torpedo drift lmao

[zenith tundra]

quints have best opening tho

[ionic magnet]

^

my problem with quads is that i already saw too many vanguards just pass in-between the torps

quints makes it a little better with the price of longer cd but idrc about second wave when the fights are p much decided in 15 secs or so

[zenith tundra]

quad only real adantage is fast 2nd wave and that is more useful against 2/3 bbs on opponent fleet

at least with amakaga

[shy hazel]

its still funny when u see torps do a 90 degree drift

pog

[leaden sequoia]

I actually saw a torp bend so much because of enemy vanguard wiggling, it went backwards

[vague token]

o.o

[leaden sequoia]

it exploded at 1/4 way to my backline tho

dunno if AL has friendly fire 🤔

[zenith tundra]

i dont think u can be hit by ur own torp

[vague token]

wouldnt make sense since the vanguard can have you in a line

you'd just shoot your friendly in front

lol

[leaden sequoia]

yeeah

just thought it would be hilarious to see your backline get rekt by your own torps with right RNG

[zenith tundra]

about timing id say 3 different timing have less chance of being scrwed up by rng or shooting on already dead ship

[lofty smelt]

77 after two matches

[shy hazel]

feels oddly common

[vague token]

i got 33 and 29 first two

max oof

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/COlbm/ba7c88a1f0.png #strats

[vague token]

lol

how does her skill even work in pvp

is it "everyone" because they're all tied?

or does it count hp by the value and not the percent?