before there was a fair amount of thought process and rock paper scissors
#pvp
dull hollow
zenith tundra
just put waifus and forget that is a thing
zenith tundra
idk like why even bother setup a defense fleet when against ws is the same if u have a maxed out fleet or 2 lvl 1
zenith tundra
nah nagato amagi hiryuu kai will make ws a total joke tbh
on def ofc
u can have hiryuu tank all hms dmg
dull hollow
u wouldnt run HMS warspite
well it depeends
if amagi can oneshot with warspite on def
amagi performance on defense is meh
zenith tundra
i meant ws on def not amagi mb
dull hollow
namagi + warspite seems better than all HMS
cuz like
10s 3v2 lole
or 2v2 if both sides run warspite
zenith tundra
pretty much we have ws comps now why even bother with hms
dull hollow
pvp is literally
dont have warspite? prepare to lose
it's like nakaga all over again
1 sided dominance
only matched by mirror
hiryuu can only stall 1 warspite barrage
so i'm not certain if she makes warspite a joke
still the only "counter"
besides mirror matching tho
dull hollow
she evaporates at 15s
her invul only lasts 5s
the next followup shell makes her disappear
also
FW already automatically loses
to HMS
zenith tundra
i don't think ws 1st barrage can 1shoot sd but idk
dull hollow
before warspite
because FW damage is fucking terrible
and HMS is already excellent
zenith tundra
hms dmg is good but ws focuses all dmg on 1 ship
zenith tundra
what?
dull hollow
like
it doesnt force all the ships to aim exclusively
it's just increase in shells that go to her
vague token
it's increase in chance
pastel forge
just increased chance. do we know the rough %?
dull hollow
regardless her barrage + hood or monarch or even amagi with a bit of luck
will definitely 1hko sodak
monarch was already 50% my sodak on defense
shit so gay
since monarch barrage comes in around 15s
and 406 at 20s
or centaur at 20s
sodak is dead at 20s
but like i was saying FW already hard loses to HMS
FW hard loses to anything that isnt Akaga really
coral wren
FW?
zenith tundra
fw=fallen wings wasd is more used in en
vague token
fallen wings aka wasd
dull hollow
sodak kai trust the process
coral wren
oh, ok thanks
dull hollow
maiden agate
Not my Washy
zenith tundra
not that i would like to be in jp where ws makes pvp a joke
dull hollow
maiden agate
Yes she is totally useless in w12 
dull hollow
every server cursed
dull hollow
plenty of ships work fine in w12 
u can even 1:1 with monarch
but ye this is pvp
zenith tundra
u just use sandy u know. she does everything
maiden agate
If only it's that simple
zenith tundra
so many people saying how great sandy is and she can't even 1:1
coral wren
^^
dull hollow
how fucking far ago did I do this 1:1
and why did I post so many images to the jp server 
sec still looking
ok
@maiden agate had 2 ambushes too 
lmao just as chat saying sandy can't 1:1
2 for 1 special
ok enough non pvp talk
coral wren
wow
foggy token
not when all their ships are under water
buoyant parrot
what would happen if someone loses to your def team? nothing?
odd schooner
buoyant parrot
modern tree
Namagi Warspite is such a weird thing to wake up to. I thought the opportunity cost to run that, which is dumping your vg would be pretty high, but I guess not
ivory vine
i already saw people running ibuki in namagi teams sometimes
so it's not that much of an opportunity cost
you're using ykkz anyway right?
modern tree
Anything that is torps on offense is gonna be underwhelming at best
modern tree
You are cutting a good tank frontline for a torp meme
ivory vine
hot creek
score check, anyone? I'm currently 536 with 10/10
modern tree
I just thought that running a bad vg ship will bite you in the ass in the end, but I suppose it's hard to lose when you cut a third or close to half of the damage within 10 seconds
I would compare my score but I slept on 3 charges. Being sick really sucks
hot creek
oof. hope you get well soon.
modern tree
Considering nobody can have Warspites yellow skill maxed yet, this looks pretty opressive, with mirror/Hiryuu with 818 or other goofy nonsense being the only answer
At least I passed you in number of attacks. It's not all bad tbh.
hot creek
Oh did you now? Hmm...I've been slacking off lately.
I was running 1/3 fleets yesterday just to inflate HQ XP lol.
I've so much fuel
but too lazy to spend it efficiently
ionic magnet
555 with 9/10 here
dull hollow
i hate this pvp meta 
dull hollow
at least with nakaga u could answer with HMS, FW, or EssexE (or centaur meme)
warspite is literally
have warspite
or you autolose
because you can't make up for the 3v2 deficieny
so every battle becomes a forced 2v2
odd schooner
even hiryuu can't handle her up?
dull hollow
i'm not convinced hiryuu is a good counter
she dies the first barrage
her HP is really really low
so she triggers her skill at 10s
and then once her 15s is up
that's it
dull hollow
warspite comes with innately 30 higher accuracy
and like highest luck in game or some shit
odd schooner
ye due to high vanilla stat
dull hollow
so it's really hard to out evade that shit
modern tree
you can run like 818 so getting triggered this early helps your shells or something, but you could also just play a mirror 
dull hollow
warspite mirror is dumb as shit
instant 2v2
nakaga was pretty dominant but there were a good number of comps that could answer
u literally cannot answer warspite kai
without having warspite
dull hollow
warspite's barrage damage is so massive that monarch (or maybe evne hood) will still end up enforcing a ohko
at 15s
amagi is even worse
ohko at 10s
hot creek
Britannia rule the waves now. All bow to Hey Majesty.
dull hollow
u wouldnt even run HMS
just run namagi with warspite
there's no need to hamper yourself with hms
hot creek
Warspite went so op, she a lone wolf now 
hot creek
I guess thats what happens when people keep calling her the Queen's royal corgi.
dull hollow
i mean i guess the "fun" in pvp now will be how stupid comps can u get away with
with warspite tucked away in a corner
run tirpitz warspite because fuck it
doesnt matter
odd schooner
every decent comp got messed up
wonder if there's a fix
wait, is AL also affected by JP law
or
everything else is on CN law
modern tree
fix is to laugh how grandma is still a pve meme
modern tree
and continue playing the mirror
odd schooner
modern tree
EN misses out on all the fun
modern tree
it might work but I wouldnt because NC is just another vanilla shelling BB and wasd is already lacking any kind of damage
so you are better off playing with Enterprise or some really strong barrage boat to carry you
vague token
you can easily lose the dps race especially since torps will hit you xD
the aa to firepower conversion isnt enough damage to warrant imo
dull hollow
NC is fucking dogshit dont ever use her
modern tree
how is this chat so traumatised by torps AA to FP conversion is really strong, but its again, just vanilla shelling that can be dodged, moved away from and targets random stuff
vague token
i mean, how much damage is 100 firepower
ionic magnet
AAto FP buff adds around 25% dmg so its not that bad
vague token
on a no barrage boat
ionic magnet
actually prolly more
dull hollow
FW doesnt need more defense
they need damage
i already tried the nocal meme
u just get outdps'd by everything
vague token
hiryuu/amagi/x is nice
extra strike, negate attacks in center
xD
plenty of reset time ;)
dull hollow
i'm 100% not convinced hiryuu will be a warspite counter against the top tier teams
her HP is so low that warspite's barrage alone
vague token
oh, i doubt that
dull hollow
will ohko her
dull hollow
warspite will enforce this really stupid 2v2 meta
because other 1 sidelaner ship is garanteed to be dead
vague token
yeah
dull hollow
it will also enforce namagi
because
amagi barrage fires faster
than monarch
so
if u blow up the monarch
before she can fire
...
vague token
xD
dull hollow
well tbh namagi warspite
on defense
probably lacks the damage
since u dont get a lot of buffs
so defenders would might still want monarch and or QE
which still leads into scenarios
either use Namagi and aim for monarch deletions before she can fire
modern tree
Monarch on offense can probably tank both barrages? Problem is that like half of the shells after is coming your way either way.
dull hollow
or use Warspite urself + HMS and settle for a 2v2
monarch gets chunked pretty hard cuz of her 0 luck
she easily eats 50% HP from opposing monarch
regardless of atk or def
warspite shells will easily clean the rest up
zenith tundra
i think that defense that doesnt have on both sides ships that can counter even partially ws have no chance of even being a small threat
namagi def is dead because amagi gets 1shooted and nagato is flag no matter what
im not sure about how much izumo can tank ws shoots but at least she can try
swift echo
is this evil?
zenith tundra
the only evil thing in en as offense is amakaga with aurora jintsuu aya because of autowin
modern tree
@swift echo Kick Laffey for Aurora, move Belfast to the front
lament lichen
you just need to accept the 2v2 for now
swift echo
what aux should bel, aurora have
dull hollow
u can run amagi warspite attacker and probably cheese for a 3v2
since amagi fires fastest
zenith tundra
ws is auto 6 vs 5 either way
dull hollow
tho u cant kill a fox before they launch
so in a weird twist of fate
the biggest threat to warspite
will be nakaga again
since the first strike could potentially still cripple you
esp if they setup correctly
not often but sometimes u will lose
that 3v2
coral wren
ooh, interesting
swift echo
my aurora is only lvl 80 tho
lament lichen
still useable
modern tree
skill level is high enough, she will do more than Laffey can ever hope to do
zenith tundra
lvl 10 yellow skill is all shes usefu for either way
swift echo
what aux for aurora?
zenith tundra
bulge pearl
swift echo
like this?
lament lichen
yeah
zenith tundra
missing 200 oath but good equip
swift echo
so bel bottom aya mid & aurora top?
zenith tundra
with lvl 80 aurora u might want her in the middle if she dies before akaga airstrike
swift echo
zenith tundra
what a waste i think that aurora dies to akaga before enty airstrike
zenith tundra
that reload is overkill tbh
zenith tundra
ap bb shoots do like 0 dmg on light armor
lament lichen
Reloader ...
swift echo
what should i replace the reloader with?
dull hollow
SG
zenith tundra
swift echo
like this?
lament lichen
Oxy torp toolbox
swift echo
should bel get beaver badge?
lament lichen
I guess so
empty sinew
i give mine the badge so the she can tank all the stuffs
empty sinew
badge + HsFCR?
ionic magnet
i dont have hfcr sadly so im using sg radar and beaver
modern tree
I ran badge with gold fcr on amagi its okay, dont know how much of a difference it makes but its a good placebo
easily double her base evasion, no problem
civic lance
whats better for backline, hood amagi (ranger/hir/sour) or have hir and sour together but hood/amagi. only takao front so one less ijn is amagi reload gone.
feels like a waste to not use hood
pastel forge
probably amagi hood hiryuu from those, better just try them out tho
shy hazel
i prefer ws kai to come to en fast
so dont have to bother building an annoying ijn team
modern tree
ijn bias is over, Warspite Kai is my friend now
pastel forge
inb4 ws Kai won't be in en within this year
modern tree
We are not likely to see another UR retrofit for some time in general and I think Hood is not something that has been quite power crept enough to consider giving her that kind of power.
pastel forge
it's gonna be a crappy ijn SR boat next to get UR kai
coral wren
Prinz retro when
modern tree
KMS is great, what are you smoking
clear cloud
Well can Kms do pvp
modern tree
Yes
obviously there are better fleets for pvp, but they are not hopeless and they are much better in pve
clear cloud
Full CA frontline?
shy hazel
cos everyone says roon is good
modern tree
2 CA and Liepzig
shy hazel
๐ซ
modern tree
Tirp Zepp and Enterprise because you dont really have many other choices anyways
shy hazel
i knew it
modern tree
it will win games
clear cloud
Full backline with hat
civic lance
where do i place hood and amagi? who mid?
clear cloud
I would say aim at their most important backline with your barrage
modern tree
if you insist on using both then I'd probably place Amagi mid because she can hit the front and also part of her barrage is aimed so if both front and flagship are dead, you can still hit things with it. Hood just doesnt do much once the flagship is down.
hot creek
i'd double nut if they gave Vicctorious a retro.
zenith tundra
maybe next trash ur ship will be her
hot creek
im already satisfied with WS getting retro but I certainly wouldnt mind more HMS bias lol
next UR should probably go to someone else
like prinz
zenith tundra
ws is so broken that hms might be her weakness tbh
forcing her in hms seems dumb but i don't play jp
outer stump
Which BB aux gun is the best?
zenith tundra
twin 127 has the best dps
outer stump
zenith tundra
belgun is a better stat stick
if u ever shoot ur 2nd gun then go for twin 127 if u never then belgun
odd schooner
Tbf after seeing WS dmg. PvP just got weirder
Wonder if this is the real approach towards ijn
zenith tundra
ws kai is literally 6 vs 5 with almost no counterplay
zenith tundra
i'm waiting for namaga ws
outer stump
But idk what should I choose as the 3'rd BB whit Washington and South Dakota
Amagi or hood
zenith tundra
amagi is better in pvp no doubt
outer stump
Still that cd for the main slavo thing will be pretty hard to apply
shy hazel
u can play amagi everywhere
zenith tundra
amagi 45% cdr on mg is a bonus for amagi
is never really needed for her to be broken
outer stump
Well I think it's pretty useful tho if I want to go all in whit FP
shy hazel
its not really broken anymore when amagi gets rekt in first salvoes by ws kai
outer stump
Now not so sure
shy hazel
outer stump
@shy hazel ws kai?
shy hazel
well thats in other servers
zenith tundra
ws kai is a joke tbh and amagi is still best pvp ship in en so far
shy hazel
pvp defensive has always been a stalling contest anyways
outer stump
She already got in the game a few months ago and now she gets kai
I mean on other servers
zenith tundra
ws=warspite
zenith tundra
warspite kai is like a total joke. her dmg in enough to 1 shoot anything 10 secs in
shy hazel
superior fp trash accu
modern tree
I ran wasd Amagi with 3 IJN frontliners, including Takao, it works way better than it has any right to, tbh
zenith tundra
ws kai does 13.6k dmg to enty
outer stump
modern tree
but if you dont like memes you'd run a better IJN
zenith tundra
10 secs in the battle
and all the data so far is without her 2nd skill maxed that gives her another 12% fp when maxed out
outer stump
Kai Enterprise please 
And another question... Is necessary for wash and dak to have 2 autoloaders
?
zenith tundra
tbh ws kai killed all my interest for ur ships
for pvp no it's not usually worth it
outer stump
So I should one autoloader one fcr?
modern tree
- 2 autoloaders do not do anything, second autoloader does not change the reload time beyond like 0.1-0.2 seconds.
zenith tundra
hit rating is better for hitting vanguards and evasion is pretty good so sg usually best choice
modern tree
- Unless you have a very specific timing in mind, using Autoloaders at all is pointless
outer stump
Sg hmm
modern tree
gold SG radars give as much evasion as BB's have base so every SG is basically doubling your chance to evade
and also give hit chance which is super relevant
outer stump
I never liked items that had a passive whit better stats and Ik when Is better to use them the passive will be useless
But I think I should do it I suppose
zenith tundra
we don't have core data shop for other good stuff like shells
outer stump
I only have one golden sg atm
zenith tundra
for now all we have are sg and fcr for pvp and sg is usually better
u can use beaver badge on main fleet to for extra evasion
zenith tundra
amagi if u use her
zenith tundra
it affects everyone which is why she's good for pvp
outer stump
It works only for the backline unfortunately
zenith tundra
but amagi buffs and debuffs heavy outclasses hood
outer stump
Guess I should use amagi 
zenith tundra
the hsfcr is usually better for barrage boats
outer stump
But idk if the barrage's have a difference
But I think amagi's one can damage vanguards soo
zenith tundra
u can use on other bb too if u don't use a barrage one
modern tree
I'd not say Amagi outclasses Hood particuarly hard if you are not playing for 4 IJN, but if you do then yea, she shoot fast
zenith tundra
outside of hms u wouldn't pick hood over amagi
zenith tundra
406 is only viable on 4 ijn
410 is a bit better as flagship for her
406 is better if not flagship
her barrage does a lot to vanguards so if u don't use easy win amakaga her 2nd barrage can help even more clearing vanguards
outer stump
Well I will have 2 sides barrages whit south Dakota mid
zenith tundra
i would put amagi flagship either way tbh. her barrage does a lot to everything as flagship
like sd is flagship for soaking damage but amagi is better for dealing damage
outer stump
Well you have a point but idk... I like the part that South Dakota tanks all the damage and makes is reduced as hell
zenith tundra
i guess is preference and u can just try and see which works best for ur comp
as not flagship and 4 ijn i would use 406 on amagi
coral wren
is it a bad idea to use anti-air radar on north carolina?
modern tree
Its not a worse idea than using North Carolina
coral wren
i mean, it's a decent variant against akaga fleets imo, idk
zenith tundra
i'd pick amagi over nc any day
coral wren
well, amagi, south dakota/washington, would it do better than the same + enterprise?
zenith tundra
amagi is more defensive then enty
i haven't really tested with wasd amagi since i stopped running wasd soon after getting it
it's a good stalling fleet not sure about offensive performance
coral wren
well that's my concern, north carolina would do better on the offensive part i think
zenith tundra
amagi has a barrage and as flagship is a mini airstrike
coral wren
then without the japanese synergy, what gun to use on her? still 410mm or 406?
zenith tundra
u shouldn't underestimate her damage. even in amakaga with jintsuu aurora aya my amagi is mvp mostly of the time
i would pick 406 ONLY if 4 ijn and not flagship
without those 2 410
coral wren
well for barrage triggers, like sniping an enemy enterprise, what to use more, washington or amagi?
zenith tundra
amagi with 410 hsfcr and ijn buff cannot kill enty sadly
her 2nd barrage hits enty cloak
with 406 is fine tho
outer stump
I think amagi works whit 406 as a flagship too... I mean whit Hsfcr and 4 ijn she gets 60% mg cdr
zenith tundra
i never tried it without akaga so for me 410 is so much better because it can deal faster her damage
the only negative to 406 is belfast smoke
zenith tundra
410 hits before belfast barrage so it's pretty amazing against vanguards no matter what the opponent uses
not an expert on jp since i don't play on jp
outer stump
Oh
What do you prefer? 2 CV Barracudas or 1 single target 1 baracuda?
I take the second variant most of the times (because only 1 golden baracuda unfortunately)
zenith tundra
i use ryusei on kaga and have 0 gold barra so kinda of forced to
i would still go for ryusei even with 2 gold barra tbh
outer stump
Oh 
zenith tundra
the sniping part of it is ok on 1st airstrike and amazing on 2nd
kaga 2ns airstrike is guaranteed to be on main fleet so does a lot of dmg
with sakura torp
outer stump
I take of each... One to being down flagship (if Dakota flagship rip) and barracuda for vanguards
zenith tundra
it's good against enty too because my amagi can't really kill her
outer stump
Well works if enty is flagship
If not then they will focus perma flagship instead
If no flagship they split in half
zenith tundra
better then nothing either way tbh
zenith tundra
it depends on main fleet and what u want. u wouldn't really use stalling vanguard on amakaga and full torp on hms
outer stump
I suppose Torps are the meta today
I've been trying MGB+1 fleet but it didn't worked pretty well
zenith tundra
the problem is that vanguards aren't much of a thing in pvp event full torp struggles to keep with main fleet damge
so u really just want something that helps main fleets as much as possible
zenith tundra
jintsuu aya aurora works on amakaga because it does a lot of dmg and it's useful for something that attacks so fast
juneau is good for bb comps because it takes time for them to shoot down stuff
outer stump
What if I bring Juneau, aurora for heal and more damage to DD/CL
I'm thinking about one more debuffer/buffer but idk
zenith tundra
aurora is only useful for the evasion debuff tbh
if u don't use cv she isn't that good
zenith tundra
idk what benson do let me check
zenith tundra
i've never seen her used or recommended tbh
i would say her stats are low and outside of that skill she seems pretty useless
if she would be a bit tankier and not a dd maybe she would be useful at least for stalling
outer stump
Well she is actually an rare destroyer so...
But sounds interesting at the same time
zenith tundra
i'm considering trying sirius for the cv buff
outer stump
Sirius?
zenith tundra
she's a new ship released with wc rerun
zenith tundra
outer stump
Pretty cool but at the same time pretty bad
I dont think you like to bring 3 CV for full buff
Just not for me
zenith tundra
u can use her with akaga
outer stump
Maybe she has cool stats
zenith tundra
not sure how good she'll be
outer stump
I wonder at lvl 120 there will be more CA?
zenith tundra
she gives a nice 10% hit on all vanguards and the extra aviation stat is not bad
at 120 ca are way more viable then 100
not sure about pvp but pve for sure
outer stump
Oh
I'd like to bring an KMS fleet since CA are a thing
But not so sure... Maybe full dd's would be better whit z1
modern tree
it's not, they die fast and deal no damage
zenith tundra
sirius unbuffed stats aren't actually good tho. her stat line is like sandy but she gets extra for cv and the fp skill that gives her almost top tier cl fp. also sirius can use dd guns and have a great barrage so it's almost like a gunboat
outer stump
@modern tree someone told me that z1 buff and Zeppelin buff might make them something
zenith tundra
she's gonna to be interesting in pve hopefully passable in pvp enough to be an altrnative
outer stump
But all in all KMS fleet is a meme atm
But I wanna try 
@zenith tundra well worth trying
zenith tundra
it's a meme because of tirp tbh. if u could use 2 bbs with her it would be so much better
modern tree
I will record it later and @ you with the video then
outer stump
K
modern tree
because I have decked z series with zepp and tirp
zenith tundra
i miss only graf max level/leveled up skills because i'm not interested in her at all
outer stump
I maxed her because I wanted to see what she can do
zenith tundra
z vanguard is too costly right now so i only tried it like 2 times in w10
outer stump
Is pretty nice tho... Just the bombers are pretty trash
zenith tundra
bombers are best cv weapon tho
outer stump
I mean.. they are no.2 atm for the greatest dive bomber dps but it's hard to land because it has 5 bombs
And most of the times you don't deal full damage
zenith tundra
again i think the problem with kms is tirp if u at least could use amagi and keep tirp dmg it would be an actual thing
outer stump
Well but in pve she is T0 tho
zenith tundra
her limitation are way too much for pvp viability
outer stump
But well for PvP that's a problem
I wonder if it applies to aviation battleships too
zenith tundra
i tried tirp in w10 after a clear with amagi and my tirp died where amagi actually did 6 battles
outer stump
My Tirpitz gets MVP everytime
zenith tundra
bbv is fine but only hyuuga would be viable with tirp really
zenith tundra
yeah but it was 10-4 with max treat level -1 so not an easy task tbh considering phoenix solo vanguard
zenith tundra
i used 6:6 when w10 came out before treat level
outer stump
Now I will think about something less for 10-2 since I made safe level
But well no so sure
zenith tundra
amagi is strong in pve as much as pvp tbh
outer stump
F for those who didn't got her
Just went for her until I got 2 more to lb her
I focused so hard in maxing her even I didn't had any interest in her
zenith tundra
i spent 160 cubes for amagi and after that started aurora farming
outer stump
Why everyone wants so badly Yat Sen?
zenith tundra
she's pretty much the only ship that is good from current event
outer stump
Oh
zenith tundra
u can use her with ping and ning to make op vanguard
outer stump
I still try to build for her but no reponse
I'm so poor whit cubes atm and I dont get any Defensive Exercise commission....
That one which gives cubes 
zenith tundra
i was down to like 40 after finished building all ships now recovering and almost 100 cubes
can't wait for wc so i can try hms for pvp
outer stump
Wc kai or mlb her?
zenith tundra
those are pretty good indeed
outer stump
Add her hit and watch the world burn I suppose
zenith tundra
that's why i want to try out hms with her
outer stump
I guess if the barrage gets the bonus damage
zenith tundra
with 410 u can actually get it
u can even boost hood barrage if properly equipped and really lucky
outer stump
Oh wait the 50% buffer is only for the first strike
zenith tundra
still 12% is pretty good
outer stump
But the question is as follows...
zenith tundra
and her barrage is every 20 secs not like washy that has 70% chance
outer stump
Isn't the first mg strike 62% more damage?
modern tree
her barrage is like 2 waves of dinky projectiles tho
outer stump
The skill doesn't say that the 12% damage buff is after the first strike
@modern tree do you got a video?
zenith tundra
all hits from her mg apply that
zenith tundra
outer stump
@zenith tundra is she going to one shot enty?
zenith tundra
that can only be done by ws kai
outer stump
Looks like an small hood barrage lol
zenith tundra
u would use her mainly for the 12% extra damage tbh
plus hard hitting 1st salvo
her barrage is just bonus damage
outer stump
For qe you need full HMS I suppose
zenith tundra
vanguard will be like belfast juneau leander i guess
as i said if qe doesn't work just put amagi with some torp vanguard for fun
outer stump
GL & HF
zenith tundra
like belfast aya jintsuu
outer stump
That's what I want to use atm
I have the problem that I have equipment for only 2 CV so if I want to bring amakaga in PvP I need to switch between equipment
Which is so annoying
I want to have 2 more for clearing stages
Like for Cranes
I can have one more but my steam catapults are +6 atm
zenith tundra
i rarely use cv in pve... mostly unicorn shouhou and enty (very rarely)
outer stump
And I need one more golden barracuda
I like cranes a lot
Their style and they deal decent damage
Even zuikaku has that late boost damage
zenith tundra
my cranes have been level 90 for like 2 months now
never found the resources to mlb them because always new interesting sr appears
now saving for doy and sirius
outer stump
I have lot of SR and idk what to do whit them
Now you say that I want doy too
But when she will be available?
zenith tundra
?altierlist
hidden wyvernBOT
zenith tundra
the jp tier list has her as t0
outer stump
But when she will be available?
zenith tundra
this month
modern tree
they said at the end of february
zenith tundra
next event is wc so after the end of current events and break
modern tree
next update is valentines stuff so probably not next week but within 2
zenith tundra
i don't consider ws retro a ship. she's just a joke
modern tree
remain mad
outer stump
Why a joke?
modern tree
What is San Diego then?
zenith tundra
ws retro can literally oneshoot anything in pvp. it makes a battle form 6vs6 to 6vs5 by default
modern tree
considering that while San Diego did not make as much splash in pvp just due to being a vg ship, she's still used or considerable for like 80% of the comps
outer stump
So San Diego is meta too?
zenith tundra
sandy kai doesn't do 13k dmg 10 sec in, at least she's somehow balanced
outer stump
Wat
modern tree
Is doing w12 at no danger level in 1:1 configuration balanced?
because I'd argue that
zenith tundra
this is pvp channel who cares about pve
outer stump
modern tree
anyone that wants boats or gear for pvp
outer stump
Kind of damage buffer or her regular skill?
zenith tundra
outer stump
And wait is her strike perma ap?
hot creek
that yellow skill of hers seems like it should be red
zenith tundra
i feel like a lot of yellows shouldn't be yellows tbh
hot creek
but i won't complain. red books fucking hard to come by
outer stump
Oh so that hit was only a barrage?
zenith tundra
yep just her barrage 10 secs in
outer stump
All allied main fleet Royal Navy ships' auto aim will have an increased chance of targeting the ship targeted by this barrage.
Well guess no more enty
zenith tundra
no more any ship medium armor tbh
outer stump
But the barrage already does the thing so
Every battle, increase the damage of the first barrage by 80.0% (130%)
So this explains the one shot
zenith tundra
the problem is that it just deletes anything 10 sec in the battle with like almost no chance for defense fleet to do anything
modern tree
It looks like a feature to me
zenith tundra
and that damage was without maxed out 2nd skill so 12% less fp then max
zenith tundra
i said multiple times that is retarded tbh
i like it because of sure win but it's not fun to play at all tbh
also 1 thing i'm not sure about. is the 20% attacker bonus damage based on the 50% reduced damage in pvp? @modern tree
zenith tundra
yeah let's have mirror just so u can deal with it because of attacker bonus just as fun as nakaga mirror i guess
modern tree
I am more or less certain it is weird percentage changes based on boat type that gives them less than 50% damage reduction when on defense, and a brunt of it is on the VG, but I do not have the exact data, there are people smarter than me that might know tho.
It's sort of easier to just assume you are gonna deal more damage to your opponent than they are gonna hit you back with tho
coral wren
@coral wren would belfast/juneau/fortune kai/wasd/amagi work for defensive?
I dunno why amagi
put hiryuu there with maxed blue skill
lowers enemy airstrikes' damage
I dont like running amagi without 3 ijns
hmmm
damn i'm so tired of trying to get arizona...
pastel forge
amagi works well with wasd, not sure about fortune tho, not enough threat with her
pastel forge
no way lol
coral wren
I mean the only reason u wanna run wasd in def is to stall
if u can delay foxes to 3rd airstrike its worth it?
or 4th even
offense just use amakaga
lul
nothing can stand in ur way
I see
this is my offense pvp fleet atm
they are not wearing proper equipment. atm
ignore their FP
real notch
coral wren
yeah 30 oils fk off. too expensive to actually run them in pve. so I enjoy them in pvp
thats why pvp offensive is a joke.
dosnt matter what u use u will kill enemy with 20% buff
coral wren
damn thats true
coral wren
they actually run less into torps than some faster botes
cus they cant fking catch up to the torps
the dmg they do tho.. jesus its pitiful
its like havin 3 eugen
pastel forge
the hp listed there included the bonus from auxs right?
probably usable but I'm not even sure what backline they want
modern tree
@outer stump I have recorded a thing. It's probably less diligent than I'd like, but you might agree that pushing onwards is not super necesary. Here's the link, I hope someone finds it useful and if you disagree, at me with "Ha! Foul play" and I will record it again with your suggested adjustment. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/376152340
coral wren
Is there an info if nc is useful in w12?
modern tree
She's a no barrage or survivability skills vanilla shelling boat that has high AA in a world where Sandy kai is a thing. I suspect that while Norcal is not absolutely worthless, you might find better options than lugging her along.
coral wren
Damn, indeed i got quite disappointed with her in pvp, it feels like her aa doesn't do a jackshit vs foxes... maybe when fw only started she had her moments, but rn i feel like i wasted materials for nothing..
modern tree
at least you have someone to wear a bunny outfit for you
coral wren
what exactly determines rank
I mean, beating someone level 137 barely raised my rank at all and I was down in the 4k, still in 4ks
coral wren
big e is prolly cursing her kraut fleetmates for being this shit and useless ๐
sour oasis
I am partially to blame. Stupid enterprise everywhere now with more amagi and jintsu
sharp roost
people are putting enterprise and amagi together?
coral wren
i see them from time to time, along with hood or wash
coral wren
hmm yeah im seeing an increase in people using that for defence
elder crane
IDK why it's a thing really
What is it supposed to beat?
coral wren
maybe its better on attack
like place hood and amagi on each fox
or on wash and ent
worthy osprey
whats a good vanguard for wasd+hiryuu
elder crane
Wasd wants something to make vanguard trade usually imo, so I'd say suicide FL
Juneau, with some combination of jint/Aya/Aurora/etc.
BB secs means you don't care too much about losing your Frontline, and having the vanguard fight end early means your BB shots don't get wasted on vanguard
worthy osprey
guess ill go with juneau+aurora+aya
coral wren
o prolly won't even bothewr with deasron untill i get my rainbow torp
ionic magnet
im using amagi hood E simply because i have no foxes
but it turned out fine so im not really in a rush to farm foxes
with very few eldridges, using E is really nice
vague token
amagi/hood/hiryuu is doing really well for me
elder crane
Yeah, offense is pretty forgiving for now
I guess if it's your best team, that's why'd you put it out for defense? Still kinda weird to do so
Though I guess defense in general is mostly pointless
I'm going with amagi/hiryuu/ent, similar idea
Good winrate, very safe due to hiryuu skill so less chance of derping on resetting
vague token
ent has a chance of insta dying to strike and torps
so i ditched her
same with any squish medium armor
elder crane
Idk, never had that happen ever
elder crane
And I've used that for over 100 matches now
vague token
jintsuu/aurora/belfast is cancer rng
but hiryuu fixes all my rng problems
by just soaking everything
xD
no rng
elder crane
Even vs jint Aya Aurora maxed BiS amkaga in testing today, never had her dip below 30% HP before first strike in about 10 matches
That was as bottom slot
vague token
probably just have bad luck lol
hazy rain
vague token
yeah top slot is usually safe
i just remember eating an aya torp into demon dance + amagi
and fox planes
not even 1 airstrike
hot creek
almost lost to an HMS fleet today
while playing Amakaga
was spooky
because I only had 1 minute before reset and couldn't afford to lose lul
vague token
lol
elder crane
If you always cut it that short, you'll mess up and regret it sooner or later
Wait, why'd you have Enty opposite amagi O.o
Or was it just the splash
elder crane
Was reviewing what I captured, one of them was really frickin close
Last ships left was a 0 HP Hiryuu vs a low HP akagi, Hiryuu strike incoming with akagi fighters in the air
Strike started hitting with 4 s left on Hiryuu invul 
vague token
lol
arctic imp
clear cloud
Easily win 13k amakaga
Lose to 12k amakaga
coral wren
big e is unreliable af
ionic magnet
70% is pretty reliable to me
worthy osprey
enty of defense has 100% proc rate
clear cloud
Pvp should have practice mode to test different team composition
coral wren
i mean that was what the resets are made for
vague token
also friend/guild mate fights for no points
supple stratus
Is POW viable in Pvp?
lunar veldt
lol PoW
supple stratus
POW/Owarida/____/Eldridge/Sandy/Juneau is a meme fleet im thinking of using just because kek
lunar veldt
for the memes yes
pastel forge
sara Lex - sandy meme, sandy to boost their aa so their shelling skills deals more dmg
modern tree
The best meme you can do with PoW is QE/PoW/Hood or some other royal ship, with uss frontline, because that gives you the maximum buff without compromising your ability to win. Saratoga and Lex barrages damage is based on their aviation not anti air, but feel free to use Benson or other boat like that to make those hit harder.
modern tree
No ship in light construction exists until you have had enough of seeing them. I finished ping pong retros and this is all I get for purples now while I am still missing most of the event stuff.
I would probably just burn everything to prove this game has a bias against me if I didn't care about wc a little
With Sirius and all
coral wren
I have a feeling doy won't do much for hms
modern tree
HMS doesn't need much help at all. Doy is just a little different style that might just end up winning for variety of reasons I could list for you if you are curious
coral wren
Y, sure, i do think about switching to hms, just need my leander to get lvl 10 smoke
modern tree
So the main reason HMS feels weak atm is not because they are, but because they over focus on removing one threat and then majority of their damage is wasted. Back in the good, old, much better days, trading QE for a fox with Warspite Hood lineup just won you the matchup because they didnt have enything else to hit with hood and one fox is about 35% less scary than 2. Problem is that Amagi barrage is aimed so losing your QE is no longer an acceptable loss for a fox and you might end up getting outpowered if enough things does not go your way since now your Hood is hitting jack and their Amagi is just barraging your backline.
Dork changes this playstyle from super focusing one target to pressuring the backline in general. Hood can still slay a fox on her own if she barrages twice or some MGM shots hit her target so its fine. Dorks barrage, however unimpressive it may look, adds the damage to the thing in front of her with no chance to fizzle and her more powerful shot, while it will probably go straight to the frontline and do whatever, hitting anything else with it makes them take more damage and that's even more pressure. So the only thing is, can you reasonably create a situation in which your opponents VG is dead and you win because of the overwhelming damage, and it is probably not that hard with HMS buff and all.
Warspite is just a lil outdated, she does damage in a way that doesnt really help you achieve anything anymore.
coral wren
is wasda+desron a threat for hms on def?
ivory vine
hms on def is pretty meme tier
coral wren
or like, will it be
ivory vine
clear cloud
Ark with DoY?
modern tree
You should easily outdamage them and destron is a meme
I will never accept entire vanguard built to be countered by one boat as a legitimate threat
coral wren
Well, it's quite problematic when alot of torps get past your vang and crit your backline ๐ฆ
modern tree
I have no idea how many times it happened to you for you to be so concerned about it because as long as I play torps hitting my backline was not something that even stuck in my memory
and I play a lot of memes
pastel forge
@modern tree actually Sara and lex shelling skills DMG is based on aa not avi
coral wren
standard vang is leander, bel and fortune, right?
modern tree
It is not based on AA, it takes 120% of her Aviation stat to boost its damage. I am looking at the chinesee wiki right now http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/่จๆๆๅ
pastel forge
, guess my info was wrong. I recall reading it's strangely based on aa
modern tree
just to be triple sure I checked JP wiki as well and it says the same thing, Aviation boosts it
Which is not an issue because Saras aviation post retro is highest in the game or something?
I would say standard vang for HMS atm is Juneau Belfast Leander. Fortune is a decent sub for Juneau if you want to be a purist
vague token
it's gun damage, just uses aviation as its primary stat
hidden wyvernBOT
dull hollow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/542994068653867019/unknown.png if anything this dogshit setup is great at feeding her mvp
modern tree
big damage
odd schooner
Big dmg indeed lmao
Did people switch their offensive
I've seen 4 of same backline just this reset
pastel forge
who knows , maybe people got tired of amakaga mirror
odd schooner
modern tree
There is some great hivemind at work that makes about 70% of players on EN play weird janky teams on a whim. Like Hood Enterprise Illu
odd schooner
Oh i can finally rename my ships again
Can finally fix the name
Jfc it's been like this for 3 days now lmao
pastel forge
exclusive ship
nah its just the good old "use what's easily available and looks shiny"
hot creek
pretty much
all you have to do is take a look at global chat
and see all the shit advice they're giving to each other
blind leading the blind lmao
ionic magnet
modern tree
I have global chat turned off from the moment I leartned how to do it, so day one.
hot creek
global chat it pretty entertaining sometimes though
and i always enjoy spamming Headnod emote
in fact, I am thinking of making a guild dedicated to clogging the chat rooms with [Headnod] and I will sponsor all Neptune oath's for its members when PR releases.
soonโข
or maybe...now?
๐ค
modern tree
I can think of nothing better to spend 300 gems on
ionic magnet
but why neptune
lone pendant
uwu
modern tree
Nep is one of the best tank ships regardless of wether you use QE or not
odd schooner
But she's not as useful as saint louis
So you gotta decide
Actually rng will decide for you
wants saint louis
Gets roon BPs
odd schooner
I think the BPs are
Like there's a general bp and character exclusive bp
3m exp is no sweat if you recall all those days you were raising ships
coral wren
3m exp
10-4 grindfest?
coral wren
will it really take a whole month for a 1 boat?
hot creek
even more, m8
coral wren
Dude...
modern tree
still less time than I took farming Kaga
hot creek
its ok though, if I read correctly, you can unlock the ship asap as soon as you finish quests. It's just that the BPs are required to limit break them.
so I will probably be oathing a lvl 1 Neptune when PR comes out
lunar veldt
modern tree
Izumo is hot in more ways than one.
coral wren
How is she a disgrace? A great bb for pve, unless he means design and visual, but that's strictly subjective
pow on the other hand...
modern tree
Every BB in pve past W7 I think has HE ammo and sets fires.
PoW is moderately useable if you like uss frontlines and hate using QE with one of the many barrage boats HMS has acess to.
clear cloud
Her barrage eat by shield if I'm not wrong
modern tree
PoWs biggest problem is that her skill takes ages to level for no real gain. Let me just dump like a stack of red books over 3 days on a ship that gets QE buff with 3 USS ships present